⚙・modding-general

[hard plank]

anyway ruby i hope my new blinds are still not that bad

[swift matrix]

Where?

[lunar sluice]

i like some of them

the one thats just the plant but worse idk how i feel about but i am not the only player so

[unkempt hearth]

Can u give an example of a good modded blind?

[lunar sluice]

no they dont exist

[unkempt hearth]

💥 💥 💥

[hard plank]

maybe i should change it to 0.8

[swift matrix]

Bunco seems to have okay ones?

[lunar sluice]

i really like cryptids the joke cause it requires you to know where your scoring is coming from to try and work around it if your build isnt too consistent for that

[hard plank]

and have 0.5 be for expert version

[lunar sluice]

its really easy to work around the joke pre endless if you know what youre doing

which is nice

[unkempt hearth]

I havent played with cryptid much how does the blind work?

[lunar sluice]

if you score more than 2x blind size increase ante by a lot

[unkempt hearth]

Ohhhhhhh

[lunar sluice]

i think it rounds to the next multiple of 8 which is a little extreme

but the idea in general i think is fun enough

[harsh glacier]

instant ante 8 if you're not careful

[unkempt hearth]

Damn and is it a permanent increase to all blinds?

Goddamn thats rough.

[gilded vortex]

SMODS

[lunar sluice]

it doesnt really reduce the amount of variety in builds that work it just means you have to be way more careful about what score comes from where in your build

[hard plank]

which blinds in my stupid ahh mod do you like actually

[lunar sluice]

let me remember

i remember liking some of them in the video but i forgot which

manuscript is nice

[unkempt hearth]

Yeah it only really works against builds that u cant really weaken like if u got all ur chips from ur jokers

[harsh glacier]

i only have one custom boss blind and it's just the one where all played cards are removed lmao

[sinful idol]

What do i do about this

[tranquil vessel]

probably update lovely

[lunar sluice]

manuscript is cool because the downside is that youll have a harder time changing your build later since endless tends to have high hand levels

[tranquil vessel]

but I'd need to see the full crash log to be sure

[lunar sluice]

fluctuation is cool not really much to say its just really difficult but equally so on all builds but it should probably not be able to benefit you

[hard plank]

it was originally hand name word count per card scored

[lunar sluice]

ie max of 1x

endless scaling is so harsh that if you werent gonna win with a max of 1 a max of 1.1 probably wont save you so its better being neutral at best

[hard plank]

but that gets affected by localization n stuff so i just went for earlier solution

[swift matrix]

In not seeing anything that stands out

[unkempt hearth]

Ngl im not a fan of blinds that permanently affect the run

Most are really cool tho

[lunar sluice]

straightforwardness is okay i guess the condition of requiring a straight is a little weird since straight builds are viable even in endless so it means now that its always better to do straight builds to completely circumvent this blind

but i like the effect otherwise

[harsh glacier]

the blind that permanently debuffs all my consumables

[hard plank]

wordle

[gilded vortex]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/issues/561

[swift matrix]

That's exactly the problem I was talking about

[harsh glacier]

my saved up negative plant cards.... gone

[lunar sluice]

entanglement is nice i like it since the only downside is that you need to have a consistent deck or be able to figure out what cards are what

rewards you for being better/more knowledgeable which is what you want

[gilded vortex]

easy just make a Blind that requires not containing a Straight anywhere

[lunar sluice]

not really much to say about inflation either its just violet vessel but harder which is already a good blind

[swift matrix]

Jfc, lmfao

[lunar sluice]

although my suggestion is to make it use the next antes blind requirement as a base instead of just 24x since 24x starts to be meaningless in endless

thats only an increase of one singular e

[hard plank]

right

it does makes sense

[gilded vortex]

They showed up in the SMODS server eventually

[hard plank]

2x next ante base

[gray nymph]

Hey. Can anybody do a texture pack that turns balatro into a more realistic game? Not the jokers, those are fine. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ndj0d7pNsZA
Something like these

[gilded vortex]

@hard plank do you want a Blind idea I had had

[lunar sluice]

libre is funny but even if chicot is bad the solution is probably just to change chicot instead of randomly killing a player who just so happens to get chicot from a soul

[hard plank]

sure lol

[gilded vortex]

@hard plank did it already

[lunar sluice]

the picker is really nice

[gilded vortex]

the future is now old man

[lunar sluice]

the height is just pretty good too not really much to say about those two

[sinful idol]

I updated the injector

[lunar sluice]

and i think the others fall under the category of i have mixed feelings about permanent run debuffs

[gilded vortex]

#1170385611698491453 message

The Root

[storm forum]

#1307810407389593630 message also exists with the old school look, fwiw.
-# That particular part is not out yet, still in-dev.

[lunar sluice]

those are my thoughts about them all

[gray nymph]

send

[hard plank]

thanks

[gilded vortex]

actually I should have linked directly to this #1170704202025152585 message

[gilded vortex]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1326135270759993364

[sinful idol]

Guys, explain this
I have the latest version of thr injector and it still crashes

[gilded vortex]

whoever this aikoyori person is

[lunar sluice]

probably a bad cryptid install

try reinstalling cryptid

[gilded vortex]

they must be very smart and a vtuber

and lack sleep

[sinful idol]

I have the latest version of cryptid

[swift matrix]

Yeah your version numbers look fine but smth else is wrong

[harsh glacier]

i can confirm that aikoyori is very smart and lacks sleep

[lunar sluice]

bad install doesnt mean wrong version it just means it probably got installed wrong

[gray nymph]

what does that do

[sinful idol]

Im confused rn

[gray nymph]

I want it to like like W7/W10 solitaire

[gilded vortex]

it adds Scrabble and Solitaire to Balatro

[gray nymph]

not 95 solitaire

[lunar sluice]

i think generally my opinion of blinds especially showdown and higher is that you want to avoid disproportionately benefitting/harming one strategy cause it generally tends to force you into always playing a specific way to prepare for them in advance

[swift matrix]

Sometimes computers do stupid things so you have to act insane to get them to work

[sinful idol]

Explain

[hard plank]

that person wants a Windows 7 deck skin

[lunar sluice]

you especially want to avoid if you have x strategy: no downside, else: really bad downside

[hard plank]

tho my mod doesn't have that

[gilded vortex]

idk different Solitaire versions

[hard plank]

my mod instead just has

solitaire

[swift matrix]

Ie doing the same thing twice and expecting different results

[gilded vortex]

My father played Spider Solitaire

and I watched him play

that's all I know

[harsh glacier]

'father player spider solitaire'?

[storm forum]

...is this a prompt for me to go peek for the card files in W7?

[vocal breach]

Who can help me?

[gilded vortex]

*multiplies you by i*

[lunar sluice]

theres not really a perfect solution since there has to be a way around the blind and just so happening to use that method already is a possibility but you should definitely try your best to not make this necessary

[hard plank]

I'll rework some of the blind

[gilded vortex]

try updating SMODS maybe

[hard plank]

thing is

i do account quite a few strategies

from what I've seen

[swift matrix]

I wouldn't be surprised if 0.98 support was just borked tbh

[vocal breach]

already

[lunar sluice]

you just dont wanna like kill all strategies involving face cards since 1. theres a lot of them and 2. the new best strategy is just something else without face cards so you just use that now instead

[gilded vortex]

I think aiko must be sleepy because their english is getting a bit worse

[gilded vortex]

your version is from last month

[lunar sluice]

it just makes you play without face card strategies ever even though it can be fun sometimes

[swift matrix]

Thing is is thing is is standard English:p

[lunar sluice]

since otherwise you might die in endless which is undesirable

[swift matrix]

The next line is a bit off though

[gilded vortex]

I wasn't commenting about that line specifically

[swift matrix]

Fair fair

[gilded vortex]

yeah but there's the dev version which sometimes is better

it depends

it might work here

might not

[swift matrix]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[hard plank]

Confrontation - must not have face card held in hand maybe feel a bit too op

[gilded vortex]

In hindsight, maybe updating SMODS won't help. I think the issue is that you have an old mod

[gilded vortex]

Make it more like my Chaos

[lunar sluice]

plant is like a notoriously bad example that people hate a lot for debuffing a specific strategy but like its not as bad in vanilla because its only a regular blind and it only debuffs which means early you just work around it with what you have and late debuffs dont matter too much outside of photochad

[swift matrix]

I think that's probably true too. 0.98 compat is likely fuxxored

[lunar sluice]

its still pretty bad though

people hate it for a good reason

[gilded vortex]

GayCoonie must be sleepy because their English is getting worse

[swift matrix]

Pffft

English is my bitch

[lunar sluice]

i mean atleast plant can be disabled/rerolled so endless its usually irrelevant

[swift matrix]

Unless you have a billion vouchers in your pool so don't get the reroll one

JustBetmmaThings

[lunar sluice]

i mean i guess but im talking about vanilla balancing specifically

[hard plank]

also true i do hate my own bosses sometimes

for example the key

[swift matrix]

Fair enough. I've played very little vanilla besides on mobile since the game first came out

[lunar sluice]

plant is bad specifically for the middle of the game where you might have face card builds but probably cant just circumvent it

[swift matrix]

I only really play flush-based builds so it's the suit blinds that can be a killer for me

[lunar sluice]

probably not as much as i hate my art its so ugly sometimes i swear

[storm forum]

Well... I found the sheets for it. 🎴

[lunar sluice]

i try my best to have varied builds but i usually go for flushes since they work well early game with no jokers then i just keep doing that

[swift matrix]

Tfw ancient joker is on the same suit as you get a suit blind for

[hard plank]

art isn't my strong suit either

[gilded vortex]

what's aiko's strong suit

[tranquil vessel]

it's one of your mods crashing (my guess is MusicalSuit or FederAPI), not smods itself

[storm forum]

-# Why is the sheet for the cards in Windows 7 Solitaire .JPG?!

[lunar sluice]

its alright though you just have to make sure you arent echo chambering your own ideas cause thats how really strange paradoxical balancing decisions get made

not naming any names

[swift matrix]

Oooof

[full edge]

Spades

[swift matrix]

Why... why are they lossily compressed

Who hurt microsoft

[gilded vortex]

number some numbers then

[lunar sluice]

5:

[gilded vortex]

now name some names

[lunar sluice]

i dont know any names

[hard plank]

adding 3 stats to balatro run

[vocal breach]

Yes, without Music work

[full edge]

Modding Balatro's a real interesting insight in how difficult balancing is. I knew it'd be a task, but it quickly shows how much you need to play your designs over and over again before you truly have a proper sense for it

[lunar sluice]

i love more complexity!

[swift matrix]

feed to waifu2x to fix jpeg

[lunar sluice]

balancing is a lot more difficult than people think even if your mod is intentionally broken and/or weird like entropy is

it still needs to be balanced in its own fucked up way or its really boring

[vocal breach]

But how to get it to work

[hard plank]

Cryptid feels balanced for a broken mod to me

[gilded vortex]

I haven't had any complaints about balance from people who played my mod yet

Only from people who haven't played it

-# https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1343670935122870342

[lunar sluice]

cryptid is very well balanced within its own system its just not balanced within the guise of vanilla

i mean there are some outliers

[full edge]

I've got a good variety of jokers so weak nobody's noticed they're broken because they don't get used, and jokers so strong they're more suited for cryptid, in Kino, haha. But I also haven't sat down for balance as a focus yet, either

[lunar sluice]

doe for example is just really bad past a few runs

[tranquil vessel]

Doubt that's possible with your other mods 😅

[gilded vortex]

if they're weak then how are they broken

[swift matrix]

Suits are very easy to program so if it's that even my ass can port it to 1.0

[lunar sluice]

broken as in nonfunctional

[full edge]

they crash the game ❤️

[vocal breach]

Okey, i have another questions

[gilded vortex]

oh that kind of broken

[lunar sluice]

i try my best to playtest my mod a lot cause i want it to be something i actually find fun to play

[full edge]

I'm not sure I agree with Cryptid's balancing being good. I don't touch most of Cryptid's jokers most runs just because there's a general pool of cards that are way too effective. But tbf, I'm sure Cryptid'd already be a different game if oil lamp wasn't a thing, haha

[lunar sluice]

there are some outliers tbf

but generally speaking its not as outrageous as some people make it out to be

[hard plank]

imo even for madness i think it's still more balanced than uhm

no naming

[full edge]

I play two runs of Kino a day lately, just to make sure, but I've added way too much content way too quickly for me to touch most of it, haha

[hard plank]

forgot

[storm forum]

...still, could work with this too, I'd just need to scrub the white out... just not sure if it'd be worth doing all 4 of these as skins?

[lunar sluice]

genuinely most boring and mid mod ever

[plush hound]

sure

[lunar sluice]

i think its probably better to say that cryptid can be fun if you do it right rather than using the word balanced cause thats what i mean mostly

[vocal breach]

I have a fusion installed, but it doesn't have 2 jokers in it

[hard plank]

i agree with Cryptid being fun if you play it right

[lunar sluice]

its more balanced than some mods in the sense that it can be fun to play even if some jokers are incredibly strong

[hard plank]

i don't have a million retriggers

it takes around like 5 seconds to calculate

i like it that way

[lunar sluice]

of course different people enjoy different types of gameplay so this is all subjective

but ive definitely enjoyed some of the content infinitely more than atleast 1 other unnamed mod

[hard plank]

me when i add tetration just because

[storm forum]

@gray nymph Did you mean the #⚙・modding-general message ones?

[gilded vortex]

I mean you can say you didn't like a mod

It's not illegal, or mean

or unethical

Just like

[lunar sluice]

outside of some really dumb interactions and decks you usually have to work towards having a higher potential (usually) in cryptid

[full edge]

yeah, I think it suffers more from certain strategies being way too strong compared to most others (like mime-baron in vanilla if you're going for endless runs), and cryptid basically always becoming an endless score-attack run. But while I don't love cryptid as much as plenty of people do, I do feel the itch to play it every once in a while just because number be big is fun

[gilded vortex]

Don't rag on it

[lunar sluice]

but being cryptic and mysterious is fun

[tranquil vessel]

I'm not sure why not, sorry D:

[lunar sluice]

there are definitely a few things that need to be changed even in madness but yeah its understandable why some people like it a lot

[full edge]

I do need to figure out where I want Kino to end up, balancing wise. I don't think there's a chance for it to end up anywhere near a vanilla feel, but I do want 'winning' to not be guaranteed. Currently, I mostly lose because of too many niche jokers in the pools drowning out more generic options, but that's not the difficulty I'm aiming for, haha

[hard plank]

my mod's actual intention is basically an idea dump when i want to

so like

some stuff can be out of wack in terms of balance

[lunar sluice]

i think generally for balancing in my mod the potential is basically uncapped but i want the difficulty ie how much you have to work for a win to basically be unchanged from cryptid

[vocal breach]

Okey but what is this? How make fusions

[swift matrix]

I mean... it's probably not any higher quality if they were rendered as jpg

[lunar sluice]

theres infinite potential for me to add stronger and stronger things but they will also be exponentially more difficult to access making most runs still pretty much as difficult for the most part

[tranquil vessel]

that's for devs, there are some pre-made fusions when you play (you should be able to find em)

[gilded vortex]

I think my mod is just adding things I want to add, which include some archetypes and themes

I want to fill some gaps in vanilla if possible

[lunar sluice]

i want it to be like the greatest thing youve ever experienced when you finally manage to create entropy's exodia and you get some broken synnergy just like it is in tboi

[storm forum]

Well, there sure is less noise passing it through waifu2x, but then there's still the fact of shading pre-existing on the actual card contents.

[fallow bramble]

You want to level up the playing field

[full edge]

my mod is me undergoing exposure therapy for my debilating fear of cinema tbh

[lunar sluice]

where you can get omega broken but you have to put in so much work that it still feels fun to do

[gilded vortex]

why was I assigned level up by SDM_0

[lunar sluice]

its the most satisfying feeling ever to moving box an item into the secret room then reroll it to get glitched crown or something and thats the exact type of thing i want to recreate since i personally really enjoy that

[hard plank]

video games challenge™

[vocal breach]

Yes, a few fusions are indeed there, But I'd like to figure out how to add my own

[hard plank]

i guess you enjoy puzzles

[lunar sluice]

yeah it makes the game more puzzly i enjoy it

its like

[swift matrix]

Do you have any experience with coding?

[full edge]

I've received some clips of people reaching naninf with real whacky Kino builds. One of my favorite things and the reason I'm bloating the mod with so many jokers is how strange the synergies become due to the actor synergy system being entirely incidental and undesigned besides me choosing the numbers. I have no clue which joekrs will buff which other jokers, haha

[lunar sluice]

how do i maneouvre this specific set of interactions to get the most from it

thats generally how i play everything so making things that work with that is the most fun to me

[vocal breach]

With balatro coding, no.
Just coding, yes

[hard plank]

speaking about puzzles

i do want to add more puzzles boss blind to my mod

[swift matrix]

Well that puts you well above most people that start modding on a whim it seems

[lunar sluice]

i just really enjoy tboi tbh thats like 90% of the inspiration behind entropy

[vocal breach]

Cool!

[lunar sluice]

its why theres so many tboi references

[hard plank]

(I've never played issac)

[lunar sluice]

ive been playtesting with this joker its really really dumb but its funny

[hard plank]

lmaooooo

[west hill]

🤔

[lunar sluice]

this works for cartomancer and vagabond btw but it also works for booster packs and the shop so it mostly balances out to epic level

[full edge]

I'm so used to the discords I'm in being very queer that I just assumed tboi was some trans term, instead of Isaac, hahaha

[fallow bramble]

The "Artist: Coming soon..." is so funny like, is it a foetus? Are you summoning someone?

[gilded vortex]

I've been thinking how Vagabond is a fun Joker that I almost never see

[full edge]

I love vagabond

[hard plank]

vagabond + credit card

[gilded vortex]

I mean it wouldn't be incorrect 🤔

[full edge]

Also one of my fav arts in the game

[west hill]

yes I am summoning an artist to make art for me 🤣

[plush hound]

https://youtu.be/XjWSCuZYSqI?si=dnlnhF-dTA1zomwy

this'll break alot of mods

[gilded vortex]

I'm excited for the Matador rework

So I can make effects using the same mechanic

[storm forum]

...with this, that'd be a lot more randomization.

[tranquil vessel]

look mom I'm in the video

[gilded vortex]

hello child

[tranquil vessel]

also yeah thunk did talk about modding support so wonder what'll happen there

[tranquil vessel]

mom? 🥺

[lunar sluice]

incredible

maximum chaos

[gilded vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-the-binding-of-isaac-tboi-mother-voice-from-above-gif-27122421

[lunar sluice]

omw to add dogma to balatro

[gilded vortex]

dogma my jokers

[fallow bramble]

Teach me your ways

[lunar sluice]

static edition 🔥

[full edge]

I should add Dogma to Kino

[gilded vortex]

I thought you were adding it to isaac

[plush hound]

what where

[gilded vortex]

If you give an artist money they give you art

[tranquil vessel]

8:46 in murph's vid

[fallow bramble]

I should get paid for every code contribution I do

[storm forum]

#🎙・server-chat message also.

[gray cove]

I’m so cooked

[gilded vortex]

you get one bit of coin
-# (the coin is brazilian real)
-# (the bit is one bit which can be joined to other bits in order to eventually get one cent of real in a digital bank account)

[gilded vortex]

Hello so cooked. I'm Victin

[fallow bramble]

Can I use the bit to level up my poker hand 1 additional time?

[gilded vortex]

no

[fallow bramble]

Lame

[gray cove]

😭🙏

[plush hound]

the message is kinda vague

so like?! yes? or?

[tranquil vessel]

more of a "maybe" yeah

[west hill]

from memory, it was a "I want to do this how can I do it in a way that is helpful for you guys"

[plush hound]

but he said "it won't be encouraged"

but let's just see

[tranquil vessel]

I believe it was more about not having users install 5 different applications to use mods, and that some of that would be built into balatro itself

[graceful elbow]

Hey guys having a interesting problem with Scaling jokers. Certain hands I play they work fine, but then the next hand they stop scaling altogether OR only partially scale. For example on my current run I have Lucky Cat, and it will trigger its x0.25 gain on only the first or last card played EVEN IF all the cards in my hand triggered the lucky effect.

[tranquil vessel]

running cryptid and using blueprint by any chance?

[graceful elbow]

Brainstorm, Blueprint Backwards

lol

[tranquil vessel]

does it still happen when you don't have any blueprint-like jokers?

[graceful elbow]

just tested, works 100% fine without copy effect jokers in play...

[full edge]

I can imagine building proper mod support into Balatro in a way that doesn't mess with existing mods is quite the challenge. They're so reliant on the external frameworks after all

[gilded vortex]

I mean some of the external framework could be built-in

[tranquil vessel]

Yeah I believe this is a cryptid issue, not sure if there's a fix for it yet

[gilded vortex]

If thunk used OOP

[tranquil vessel]

might wanna ask in the cryptid discord

[graceful elbow]

ight, will do.

[hard plank]

thunk pls give is rank function

[gilded vortex]

thunk please compute straights with quantum ranks

[tranquil vessel]

Thunk please include my mod into the basegame

[hard plank]

thunk please add wordle to balatro

[west hill]

thunk pls buy galdur off me

[full edge]

Only mod support thing I can think of that I think people crave is food joker being a real internal category, hahaha

[tranquil vessel]

Did thunk say he was planning on new decks? 🤔

[sweet forge]

my mod is keyboard controls for everything, makes sense to just add to the base game fr

[gilded vortex]

I crave for more

[hard plank]

thunk please write ui documentation

[gilded vortex]

but I'm too tired to remember

[full edge]

I would love Thunk to internally label each joker as wet or not wet, internally. It's helpful for Kino purposes

[gray cove]

No

Get better

[west wolf]

i can do that for you for a cookie

[tribal vector]

I got a wierdo error when trying to install Jens Almanac, anyone able to help? Also, here's the modlist.

[gilded vortex]

*puts data-stealing cookie in garb's computer*

[full edge]

I mean I've done it myself, but it being official would mean that other mods would make sure to label jokers by wetness

[gilded vortex]

that was proposed to be added to SMODS

no one has done it yet

[tranquil vessel]

looks like an update lovely moment

[west wolf]

puts data-stealing cookie in mouth

[gilded vortex]

good that'll get the cookie into your secret neuralink you're not supposed to know about

[west wolf]

neuralink attached to empty space

[tribal vector]

Weird. That would mean the lovely in the Jens Almanic modpack zip is busted. Or by lovely do you mean version.dll?

[full edge]

I mean, I'm not sure what a system for this would even be. For Kino, every internal category has just been a bool on the joker I've added. All Batman jokers have kino_isbatman on them, all wet jokers have kino_iswet on them

[tranquil vessel]

version.dll (there shouldnt be a lovely in jen's almanac?)

[gilded vortex]

no own like a self-own

[gilded vortex]

a system of tags to categorize Jokers

just that

so mods can add their own tags or read other mods' tags

[tribal vector]

ah, you got a link to the latest version?

[west wolf]

my love for tables would have just made a table with all wet jokers' keys

[tranquil vessel]

https://github.com/ethangreen-dev/lovely-injector

[tribal vector]

So like OreDictionary but for balatro?

[gilded vortex]

I don't know what that means

[storm forum]

Modded Minecraft has an Ore Dictionary that lumps similiar types of stuff under one tag... and I somewhat went that route.

[full edge]

I guess there is a way to set up a system for that, but honestly, not sure what you need for that besides just adding a table called tags to a joker

[gilded vortex]

Food Jokers, Space Jokers

[tribal vector]

basicly, it makes it so that the exact same resource but from multiple mods can be used interchangably in crafting recipies

[gilded vortex]

what do you think of this

Sandcastle
+100 Chips
Self-destructs if played hand contains a Flush

[normal hollow]

anyone can add a table called joyous_spring to their joker for it to work with my mod btw :3

[full edge]

I get the use case, just wondering what smods would need to do to support it that's not just people agreeing to use the same words. I guess the only issue would be a mod adding a 'food joker' booster, but in that case, pools exist, right? Or are pools mod exclusive

[west wolf]

Food Jokers, Space Jokers, Poker Hand Jokers, Suit Jokers

[gilded vortex]

mostly a system to add, manage, access, and query those different values, and with some standards to make it easier

Querying to easily build a pool of all Food Jokers

[gray nymph]

THESE, YES

[west wolf]

it seems like a simple mod to make, could have that be a little project when i come back from vacation

[tribal vector]

here's a quickie example. Mods A and B both contain their own versions of sulfur. Mods A and B also contain recipes using sulfur. Without this, Mod As ones could only use Mod As sulfur, and same goes with Mod B. With ore dictionary, A and Bs recipies are modified to accept any resource tagged sulfer, so now A can use Bs sulfer, and vise verca.

[gilded vortex]

or trying to access Bull which has been turned into a Space Joker because another mod gave it a Space Helmet

and correctly getting the Space tag

[gilded vortex]

but it should be built into SMODS

and it could have technical tags too

Like +Chips

I guess it's more mechanical than technical

[west wolf]

mm i could make an smods fork, i have no clue how smods works internally tho, so i might simply make a script that gets loaded by it

[tribal vector]

It would probably be on the creator of each individual mod to tag their jokers, and maybe hook into some internal API to search for tags, and those tags would than get picked up and logged by this mod.

[gilded vortex]

I think making a Label object, with a LabelManager or something, then giving Cards those Labels would be ebough

[gilded vortex]

I think the interal API should automatically search for it

but yes

it's up to mods to tag themselves

[lucid echo]

I need help with the new mod loader, i wanted to try cryptid mod but it says i need steammodded 1.0.0~BETA-0406a. I have steammodded installed through the mod manager but it still comes up with this issue. please help

[tribal vector]

Idealy, everyone would use the same spelling for these tags, but we would likely need some idiot proofing and/or tossing multiple tags into the same list

[gilded vortex]

Yeah that's why some examples should be put into vanilla

[tribal vector]

Like "Xmult" "X mult" or "Times mult" for example.

[gilded vortex]

You could also allow for synonyms, maybe

[tribal vector]

like I suggested.

[tranquil vessel]

If you are using BMM, you should be able to delete SMODS (force remove anyway), and reinstall the latest unstable version

[west wolf]

speaking of categorizing jokers, would yall fw a baseball card type of joker that makes jokers from my mod give X1.5 Mult

[tribal vector]

It would also be best to have documentation on the mod itself for how mod creators tag jokers. Idealy it would be a list of strings seperated by commas, but there might be some vulnerablity in that, idk.

[tranquil vessel]

would be rough in modpacks

[west wolf]

like
Garb's Workshop
Rare
GARBSHIT Jokers give X1.5 Mult

[tribal vector]

anyways, im off to inject the concentrated dopamine of jens almanic directly into my skull

[west wolf]

you mean not good or?

[tranquil vessel]

depends on if you care about modpacks

[west wolf]

Cryptid is cocaine for balatro players
Jen is straight up ketamine

[gilded vortex]

How can you tell the difference

[tribal vector]

What would be balatros fentanyl then?

[west wolf]

Entropy

[gilded vortex]

Garb is dodging my question

[west wolf]

between ketamine and cocaine or between cryptid and jen

[gilded vortex]

The former

[rancid locust]

this has to be the best joker in the game, right? every time its activated, +$2

[storm forum]

...consider Golden Wario.

[west wolf]

i haven't tried ketamine nor cocaine yet, so mostly what i hear on the webs

[gilded vortex]

I wasn’t being serious XP

[west wolf]

Victin do you fw this

[rancid locust]

what does wario do? I havent gotten him yet

[gilded vortex]

Balance-wise it depends on the distribution of Jokers from your mod

And the gameplay you want to encourage

[storm forum]

Gives $3 every time a Joker is triggered.

[west wolf]

mhh i don't have too many commons, but i do have more than one

[formal orchid]

i have more rares than anything

[west wolf]

i have corrupted, chem7 (which the player is usually not keeping for long), stupid joker (which is dogshit tbf), ratboy (which is just jimbo but squeaky) and swapnote

the rest are uncommon and rare

oh and devil's deal

im forgetting something let me check

ah ye mercante in fiera

ok so i do have quite the amount of commons

mm would "Gives $2 at the end of round for each GARBSHIT Joker owned" be more balanced?

Starts at 2$ caps at 10$ normally, 12$ with antimatter and more with negatives

[gilded vortex]

I think the original might be balanced still

This version is also interesting

Could be the Garb Joker

[west wolf]

I thought about making rares corresponding to certain legendaries to expand on the lore a bit

[gilded vortex]

What’s the lore

Do tell

[west wolf]

Garb's rare could be this one

[west wolf]

I'm thinking of writing it down someday, most legendary jokers from my mod are linked in some ways

and also some rares

like ||albero and abadeus being linked to the archives||

because of them having its symbol

or ||Androsius working for the Guano Postal Service||

which is the one which provides the stamps

hey maybe i should have spoiler tagged

oops

how do you spoiler tag on mobile

[formal orchid]

||

write inbetween these

[gilded vortex]

… what do they deliver

[west wolf]

mail

[gilded vortex]

What kind of mail

Bat mail?

[west wolf]

[gilded vortex]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[swift reef]

is extra credit the best mod?

[grand geode]

no, there is no subjectively best mod

[west wolf]

there is no "best mod" it's a totally subjective thing

[swift reef]

ya i guess

[west wolf]

if you want reccomendations we have tons of them here

[swift reef]

i feel like people really like pokermon or cryptid but i couldnt really get into them

[swift reef]

that would be perfect

[west wolf]

lemme pull up the list

[swift reef]

hell yea

[tranquil vessel]

A list of mods/mod-related links I personally like or have seen being recommended. As always, let me know if there are any mods that really should have been on this list but aren't.

QOL:

• #1270746376312979456 (keyboard/mouse shortcuts + more game speeds)
• #1270516504470880357 (improved new run menu)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1241580123766128761 (always show joker info under jokers)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1258438028800692224 (joker scrolling + improved deck view)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1288504280239575061 (cool blueprint copying effect)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1343505857870172210 (clock)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1348357294383038484 (next ante preview)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1241172556849876993 (new score limit + animation skipping)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1300851004186820690 (texture pack manager)

Vanilla+:

• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1259676012086689804 (16 jokers)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1323374911905075302 (10 jokers)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1341225182882299955 (15 jokers)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1314727172296020058 (45 jokers, 3 decks)
  Vanilla-like (new content type/mechanics but advertise themselves as close to vanilla):
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1239829592693538816 (new consumable type, new card modifier, 99 jokers, and more)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1336746173008056320 (15 jokers)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1357543332602970212 (65 jokers, 29 consumables, 1 enhancement/edition/tag)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1381709540332146749 (new consumable type, 150 jokers, and more)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1342484578236895274 (new consumable type, 52 jokers, and more)
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1345468876476911646 (new consumable type, 44 jokers, and more)
• #1220084296346501201 message (more of basically all existing content, and new consumable type)

Overhaul/New content:

• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1332344114288529418
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1292971421349445785
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217704157574860810
• #1279246553931976714
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1248249207526002698
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1229697382065639426
• #1228825966940393483
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1326135270759993364
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1340334060597285025
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1267615217613803580
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1214097296317227028
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1325147180280971294
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1327574068744163368
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1319412137977712691
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1279275441009459222
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1338302514616995892
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1324037115171831819
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1290829201108107354
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1326159666350395462
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1225831216939536394
• #1371152782760870028
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1345167421987749959
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1368169102103019610
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1397989781178155009

Modpacks (lots of crashing):

• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1426981585005318246

To find more mods:

• #1209506514763522108
• #1324102096584446002 (list of lists of mods)
  • like https://balatromods.miraheze.org
• https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1386839962074484788 or#1339375696254074942 (external managers)

[grand geode]

FUCK I MEANT OBJECTIVELY

[west wolf]

BROKEN / PANDEMONIUM
-# PROCEED WITH CAUTION:

1. Cryptid
   1.1. Entropy
   1.2. Ascēnsiō
   1.3 Astronomica
   1.4. Alex's Estoric
2. Jen's Almanac
3. NXKOOMATIC
   -# Both of these are best friends actually, You need Cryptid as a base for the 1.a sections

Quality Of Life:

1. Handy
2. Galdur
3. Incantation
4. Cartomancer
5. NextAntePreview
6. JokerDisplay
7. DismissAlert
8. Flower Pot
9. Blueprint

Content Mods:

1. Ortalab
2. UnStable
3. Bunco (a bit unstable)
4. Buffoonery
5. Bakery
6. Balatro Goes Kino
7. RevosVault
8. TOGAPack
9. Reverse Tarot+
10. Lobcorp
11. JoyousSpring
12. MoreFluff
13. SDM_0'sStuff
14. Gonchalatro
15. Minty's Silly Mod
16. GARBSHIT

Honorable Mention:

1. AikoyoriShenanigans
2. Mistigris
3. Maximus
4. BRAPTRO
5. Plantain
6. Prism
7. Opandora's Box
8. Balatro: Star Rail (WIP)
9. Fennex (WIP)
10. LuckyJimbos
11. Victin
12. OPandora
13. Garden Variety
14. All in Jest
15. Tsu's Jeopardy
16. Scryfalatro
17. Terarria x Balatro
18. Balatro Hevven
19. Delirium's
20. Paya's Terrible Addition (WIP)
21. UNDERTALE (an actual mod)

Fun Mods
-# kinda changes the gameplay mechanic and whatnot

1. HighestPriestiess
2. TooManyDecks
3. Hit, Blackjack Deck
4. Any Deck mods overall
5. Reverie
6. Betmma's Mod
7. Instant Gratification
8. Rift-Raft
9. CardSleeves
10. Seals on Everything

[storm forum]

from #⚙・modding-general message

[swift reef]

hoooly thats so sick

[west wolf]

thank @plush hound for writing it

[normal hollow]

the objective best mod is this one https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1349086788840460360

[swift reef]

what is a fun one out of the content mods section

[west hill]

O: no malverk on the list

[normal hollow]

joyousspring 🙂

[grand geode]

quick question do you hate yourself

if so then try lobotomy corporation

[west wolf]

ive got to shill Garbshit since ive made that one, id also recommend bunco and ortalab which are some of my personal favs

[grand geode]

this is now my marketing gimmick

[west wolf]

#1345167421987749959

[swift reef]

lmao love it

[west wolf]

i'll tell nxkoo when they're online, rn they're probably sleeping

[spare geyser]

do y'all think this blind should be nerfed?

[west wolf]

yes.

[near rampart]

anyone knows what is the name of a mod that add some buffed vanilla consumables, but when you use then you get like a curse that is a weakened blind effect?

[swift reef]

i messed up getting ortalab the game crashes when I open it

[west wolf]

is the folder nested?

[swift reef]

no its not

[west wolf]

send crash log

[formal orchid]

i am still not here

:(

[tranquil vessel]

I'm still editing every part of that list hahaha

[west wolf]

you're in this one tho revo

[west wolf]

does it still crash if you try disabling ortalab?

[swift reef]

let me check

[tranquil vessel]

pretty sure they need to update smods, no?

[west wolf]

that may be

[tranquil vessel]

I don't even know if that smods version supports minimum smods versions haha

[west wolf]

oh yeah 28 november its def steamodded

[spare geyser]

fair it now can only appear once and is x1 (like they requested)

[swift reef]

No

[tranquil vessel]

yeah try updating steamodded

[swift reef]

oh yea I havent updated that

[west wolf]

update steamodded my man

[swift reef]

lmao oops

[west wolf]

also mate can my mod be on the list?

#1345167421987749959

i like being on mod lists

[tranquil vessel]

yeah sure

[normal hollow]

can you add jokerdisplay a second time

[sinful flicker]

Is the mod manager that Bean showcased safe to run? I checked with virus total and its giving me 2 potential hits

[grand geode]

false positives

[west wolf]

yes its safe

open source

[sinful flicker]

Double checking that these 2 vedors are false positive:
Bkav Pro and CrowdStrike Falcon

I have a lot of stuff on my pc that I dont wanna have to nuke lol, im just being extra extra safe

[west wolf]

it's safe don't worry

[tranquil vessel]

who's Bean?

[west wolf]

i use it and i also have my mod on it

[sinful flicker]

ty homie

[normal hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/@Bean_77

[tranquil vessel]

Ah

As long as you got the manager from the official site https://balatro-mod-manager.dasguney.com/download or official github https://github.com/skyline69/balatro-mod-manager/releases it's fine

[west wolf]

the one in the description is the official site, so all good

ive already sent bean's tutorial to some friends who wanted to try my mod

[tranquil vessel]

huh

[west wolf]

can you add it three times

just to be sure

[tranquil vessel]

I'll make sure to add it under QOL, Vanilla+, Content, Modpacks and "lists of mod lists"

[normal hollow]

thank you

[west hill]

also download ortalab from main source not the release

[tranquil vessel]

actually, is paperback even considered vanilla-like?

[normal hollow]

it did say so in the thread title until the bunco thing happened

[tranquil vessel]

they actually add a new content type (minor arcana)

[storm forum]

...if that's the definition, wouldn't my crazy stuff qualify as vanilla-like too? 😂

[grand geode]

so like heads up bkav is the worst av in the world

[tranquil vessel]

don't you use xchips?

and joker retriggers

(I'm just going through your mod right now)

[storm forum]

Was just assuming off of just the new "content type"... but yeah, I suppose I pre-maturely asked that.

😅

[tranquil vessel]

I mean you make a great point haha

[storm forum]

-# Just being careful not to get the past Bunco flames going again.

[wraith seal]

what kind of crash is this

first time seeing it

[buoyant cairn]

can someone link me to the steammoded version that you need for cryptid

[tranquil vessel]

LÃ-VE

[wraith seal]

lava chicken

[tranquil vessel]

https://github.com/Steamodded/smods/archive/refs/heads/main.zip

[buoyant cairn]

thanks

[gloomy mural]

SHUT DOWN THE WAR CLOCK
I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED LOVELY INJECTOR version.dll WITHOUT PISSING MY ANTIVIRUS OFF

[dreamy abyss]

yippee!

[topaz urchin]

could I have some help on a crash issue? I keep on crashing over and over while trying to get on and I just started using balatro Mod Manager

[tranquil vessel]

you could try updating steamodded

[plush hound]

oh whoops hold

[topaz urchin]

I tried and It didn't work so instead I paused all the mods exept for steam modded but its still crashing

[plush hound]

BROKEN / PANDEMONIUM
-# PROCEED WITH CAUTION:

1. Cryptid
   1.1. Entropy
   1.2. Ascēnsiō
   1.3 Astronomica
   1.4. Alex's Estoric
2. Jen's Almanac
3. NXKOOMATIC
   -# Both of these are best friends actually, You need Cryptid as a base for the 1.a sections

Quality Of Life:

1. Handy
2. Galdur
3. Incantation
4. Cartomancer
5. NextAntePreview
6. JokerDisplay
7. DismissAlert
8. Flower Pot
9. Blueprint
10. Malverk (Texture Pack Manager)

Content Mods:

1. Ortalab
2. UnStable
3. Bunco (a bit unstable)
4. Buffoonery
5. Bakery
6. Balatro Goes Kino
7. RevosVault
8. TOGAPack
9. Reverse Tarot+
10. Lobcorp
11. JoyousSpring
12. MoreFluff
13. SDM_0'sStuff
14. Gonchalatro
15. Minty's Silly Mod
16. GARBSHIT

Honorable Mention:

1. AikoyoriShenanigans
2. Mistigris
3. Maximus
4. BRAPTRO
5. Plantain
6. Prism
7. Opandora's Box
8. Balatro: Star Rail (WIP)
9. Fennex (WIP)
10. LuckyJimbos
11. Victin
12. OPandora
13. Garden Variety
14. All in Jest
15. Tsu's Jeopardy
16. Scryfalatro
17. Terarria x Balatro
18. Balatro Hevven
19. Delirium's
20. Paya's Terrible Addition (WIP)
21. UNDERTALE (an actual mod)

Fun Mods
-# kinda changes the gameplay mechanic and whatnot

1. HighestPriestiess
2. TooManyDecks
3. Hit, Blackjack Deck
4. Any Deck mods overall
5. Reverie
6. Betmma's Mod
7. Instant Gratification
8. Rift-Raft
9. CardSleeves
10. Seals on Everything

[plush hound]

i think you need Cryptid to run Beelatro

[topaz urchin]

good to know

That was it! THANKS!

[plush hound]

npnp

[full compass]

I’d still argue it’s Vanilla+. An expansion to the base game rather than being a simple mod. Vanilla to me denotes attempting to match the base of balatro’s art and balance, which paperback is at least attempting to do.

[plush hound]

chocolate mod

bunco shot dead in Chicago, now everyone's timber is shivering

[lunar sluice]

theres like a whole difference between intent and actuality when it comes to being vanilla like it really depends what aspect you consider more important

[normal hollow]

i wanted to add vanilla-like to my thread but i didnt think it would be funny for more than an hour

[lunar sluice]

is it more important to you that it actually matches vanilla or that it was trying to match vanilla

i think for most people its probably the first

i havent played paperback specifically so idk if its vanilla like or not but those are my thoughts on it

its just like

you can try as hard as you want its still possible to fail no matter what your intentions are

[delicate dust]

Can't have shit in Chicago

[lunar sluice]

theres also the whole difference between how far you can stretch new concepts before they become unvanilla like

there are things vanilla hasnt done that you could get away with but really how much can you get away with before its too different

which is a subjective line

[tranquil vessel]

I agree paperback matches base balatro's art, balance and feel. I also feel like you could argue that by adding a new "type" or mechanic to the game, you get dangerously close to no longer considered being vanilla

[lunar sluice]

its why i dont really value the terms vanilla like personally it doesnt really convey meaning to id rather a more accurate description

it can mean a wide array of different things so without knowing the author i dont really gain any information

[tranquil vessel]

For my mod list (#⚙・modding-general message), I put paperback in the "vanilla-like" category instead of the "vanilla+" since I feel like that conveys the actual content of the mod better

[lunar sluice]

at the end of the day no matter what your mod is someone out there will feel like its too different

and no matter how wildly out there your mod is someone will feel like it fits right in

[tranquil vessel]

Yeah, what Ruby just said

[lunar sluice]

vanillaness isnt really an objective measure

i personally think that adding new mechanics strays too far from being like vanilla but its not like i hate it i actually think its really interesting

i just dont think it would fit in the base game

the closest mod you can get to being truly adjacent to vanilla would only be jokers and spectrals and blinds anyway since any other thing you could add relies on something that would feel out of place

editions for example are based on real editions poker hands dont really have a good way of being expanded in the guise of vanilla etc enhancements require tarot cards which always feel weird when they arent real

but im sure some people will see it differently

im sure my criteria are really strict comparitively but thats also because its not something i value for if im going to play it or not so i dont have to make them more lenient just so i can play more things

[storm forum]

-# A "what if" is all it took for me to start modding Balatro.

[formal orchid]

printer

[plush hound]

sound

i got to learn a bit when modding randomized sounds for each sfx

[storm forum]

-# The same "what if" is responsible for this.

[terse dune]

this is a real weird run

no cryptid needed

just bunco, revo's vault, and roughly $250

[plush hound]

@cosmic wadi

[tranquil vessel]

I'm also noticing some other mods in there ngl

[plush hound]

a little bit of those

zodiac

[terse dune]

oh yea there were plenty of other mods

[plush hound]

i still needed to add more mods before i can actually compress it and share it as a modpack in the forum

[terse dune]

all in jest and ortalab, alongside cardsleeves and sarcpot

[tranquil vessel]

Be careful with modpack stuff, seems kinda draining to whoever manages it

Or maybe the type of people who make modpacks are prone to burning out

Idk

[plush hound]

itll be fine

its a joke modpack anyways

its like

100 in 1 shampoo

like a stress test

or benchmark

[storm forum]

-# A jokepack, even.

[gloomy mural]

stand ready for my arrival, modding community
-# antivirus fucking killed my lovely injector version.dll all these times, I CANT SHIIT

[plush hound]

full of joy and silliness

i mean

if you do avoid some stuff

it is crash free

[gloomy mural]

dont mind that i live like 543 years in the future btw

[storm forum]

-# Time is relative. :)

[plush hound]

albert ein zwein or something

idk

[gloomy mural]

abort eye sign

[plush hound]

oh my god its concord might resign

[burnt hare]

good evening chat

[light swift]

getting an error message when trying to boot balatro with the brainstorm mod installed

ah do i just have to update steamodded?

1.0.1o-full vs 1.0.0~beta

[storm forum]

@gray nymph Something like this, ya? Though, keep such in mind as I am not going to be 100% thorough.

[fringe tulip]

What's a good amount of temp cards for a rare Joker to add to the deck during a boss blind

[gray nymph]

it is nice

[storm forum]

The internal white "box" on face cards will not be modified, as it'd take too heccin' long. The other 3 will be done eventually, but don't expect a Low/High contrast for these.

[gloomy mural]

i saw a mockup of a Windows 7-styled balatro
like, in the style of the built-in games that came with Windows 7

[storm forum]

Did you mean https://www.reddit.com/r/FrutigerAero/comments/1je6hs8/balatro_if_it_existed_in_2005_on_a_windows_vista/ ?

[cosmic wadi]

thx

[plush hound]

oh god what happ3ened to jimbo

[placid hemlock]

any ideas what the issue is?

I just installed bunco tonight and it seemed to crash my game

not sure why

nvm

solved

[spare geyser]

chat do we think this should this be rare or uncommon?

[storm forum]

The 4 styles done.

-# Though, the processing had messed with the Seasons' face cards... just noticed.
-# Edit: fixed.

[spare geyser]

could list all hands you still need to play although that will be very long text...

[wind turtle]

It would probably be better if you put that in an info_queue

[spare geyser]

how could i do that?

[wind turtle]

I'm not sure honestly.

[dreamy abyss]

i THINK picking up speculo and canvas was a mistake (every time i exit the shop everything has a stroke)
i just wanna finish diamond stake man

[subtle furnace]

does anyone know what this error means?

[dreamy abyss]

i think it means something has failed in Paperback?

[subtle furnace]

oki yeah, no paperback then, sadge

[dreamy abyss]

...aaaaaand game crash

yeah these canvases need to die

[tranquil vessel]

probably that you need to update your game through steam

[subtle furnace]

ah, true yeah

that'd probably help lol

[viral vale]

Is there a mod that adds a dev console?

[storm forum]

https://github.com/WilsontheWolf/DebugPlus

[tranquil grove]

wait is sob a referance to anything?

from cyptid

[grand geode]

😭

[wind token]

I can’t tell, is 3x is max or is infinite

[spare geyser]

is infinite you get a bonus 3x after you have scored every hand type ie 3.2x+3x

then you can once again go about scoring every hand type

difficult scaling cause you have to get every hand type for one to scale you again but if you can play every hand type then gg

[wind token]

Ah, got it

Even secret hands before you discover them?

[spare geyser]

currently yes

[wind token]

Ah

[spare geyser]

should i change that?

[wind token]

I feel like secret hands shouldn’t count until you discover them

[lavish jackal]

hi chat its me balatrostuck gaming

[spare geyser]

is there an easy way to check that?

[dim magnet]

hai

[spare geyser]

hi

[spare geyser]

if i just make secret hands scale it but not required would this be a good change?

[oblique basin]

Do I need Steammoded

[spare geyser]

yes thats how you run mods

[oblique basin]

I can just drop the zip in %AppData%/Balatro/Mods innit

Anything else I need

Uh What'd I do wrong 🧐

Do I need to like unzip them you reckon?

I feel like it worked when I kept them Compressed

[spare geyser]

you might have to remove the -main and -master and be sure they open like that

[oblique basin]

from the zip?

[wind turtle]

You need to extract them.

[spare geyser]

yeah like when you open the folder it should immediately be mod content not another folder

[oblique basin]

🧐

OK It work

[spare geyser]

there you go

have fun

[oblique basin]

🧐

[spare geyser]

well yeah you didn't have steammodded when you started the run did you?

[oblique basin]

Oh

I did

Do I delete it alongside lovely innit

[spare geyser]

i mean you dont have to delete the run or lovely? you just hope it doesn't have any weird issues or start a new run?

[oblique basin]

Yeah

[spare geyser]

steamodded on the way to kill itself for no apparent reason

[plush hound]

it's normal

[oblique basin]

I unzipped them

Lemme try again methinkls

Damn

[livid siren]

code v

Is this the right chat?

[wind turtle]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1233186615086813277

[livid siren]

oh

[oblique basin]

Yeah I'm confused how to fix

[blissful stag]

well this is mind boggingly hard

[oblique basin]

Which Mod had uh

Instead of showing both 2 of Spades

I'd be 2x of Two fo Spades

[blissful stag]

cartomancer mentioned

was it cartomancer i forgot

it is

[dreamy abyss]

i think its cartomancer, i have it and my things do that

[oblique basin]

Any other QOL Mods to get

[storm forum]

#⚙・modding-general message is a list you can reference, if anything.

[storm cosmos]

how the hell do I get the Back of a given card? Like if I opened up blue deck then I should be able to get any card from there, and get the Back returning 'Blue Deck'

[wind turtle]

You mean the current deck?

[storm cosmos]

ig, but it should also work in the deck selecting menu

(I want to apply a negative shader to a specific deck)

[wind turtle]

Try looking at how cryptid draws editions on the edition decks.

[wanton rapids]

ok i got tetration working without talisman

[hard plank]

real

[wanton rapids]

(hard coded)

uh the print shouldnt be there

[storm cosmos]

first time ever looking at cryptid's code: local very_fair seems about right

[wind turtle]

The draw is in ui.lua

[stuck hamlet]

It is normal that lovely stays installed if I deleted the mods folder and the Balatro mod manager?

[hard plank]

yes

[plush hound]

i want to googol that joker so bad

[hard plank]

again is this a good enough UI to warn the player

[wanton rapids]

yeah that seems fine

how does it look on the blind selection screen?

[storm cosmos]

oh my god.... local currentBack = type( self.params.viewed_back ) == "table" and self.params.viewed_back or (self.params.viewed_back and G.GAME.viewed_back or G.GAME.selected_back) print(currentBack.name)
This works!

[hard plank]

balala

[rocky anvil]

idk how big this even is but it was a cryptid only run

[storm cosmos]

oil lamp be like

[rocky anvil]

just used alot of the code multipliers

[dreamy abyss]

reminds me of the triple universe glowing sleeve run i had

[plush hound]

you guys like facile?

[rocky anvil]

is that 270?

i cant see :(

[hard plank]

i need to add more blinds

[dreamy abyss]

wtf, facile printer

[wanton rapids]

i like the idea for alt path blinds but i dont know how to implement them

in a way that makes sense gameplay wise

[hard plank]

i think ortalab is adding that

[plush hound]

yes, and it keeps growing

[plush hound]

never make any joker eternal and negative

ma'he will copy it to death

[hard plank]

imagine

knowing how to code

[earnest eagle]

Have I fucked up?

[dreamy abyss]

how long did it take for you to even select that many cards

[earnest eagle]

Not very long, accounting for lag

[plush hound]

cryptid?

[earnest eagle]

Handy made it way quicker

[plush hound]

wait no

i just realized

[earnest eagle]

Well, yes, but technically no

@fallow bramble, the XXL deck is too small!

[fallow bramble]

Just play XXL Deck+Sleeve

[gilded vortex]

What do you think of this effect?

-# it's technically incorrect since it currently only applies during Blinds

-# not sure I want to change the text or the effect

[plush hound]

only for this round maybe?

wait no, only for this Ante

[gilded vortex]

That’s already how it works 🤔

[plush hound]

my bad my bad, i mean Ante

i forgot it was last hand

[gilded vortex]

It’s not that different

Since it’s go 0/2/4 instead of 2/2/2

If you ended every round with a Straight

0/2/4 is a bit unintuitive though

[wanton rapids]

If played poker hand is a Straight,
+2 hand size for the next hand

[gilded vortex]

That’s a different effect

[hard plank]

if haves Straight +2 hand size

[gilded vortex]

Did you go to sleep today aiko

[hard plank]

if last hand haves straight +2 add hand size

[gilded vortex]

Aiko how are you

[hard plank]

hand size

[gilded vortex]

I think aiko’s cooked

[hard plank]

the car

[plush hound]

there's a car joker

[hard plank]

hand size

[gilded vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/pusheen-gif-7266092

[gilded vortex]

Anyways what do you think the effect is since your suggestion is unrelated

[hard plank]

going outside so people think I'm stupid

[civic atlas]

ok

[fiery sparrow]

do i just give up

[wraith seal]

just press abort dawg

[hard plank]

yes

just give up

[gilded vortex]

@wraith seal what do you think

[hard plank]

just give up vro

it ain't that crazy

[fiery sparrow]

did i win

[harsh glacier]

you cant even see the negative version of this bruh 😭

[wraith seal]

i love straight supports

i think its fine

[harsh glacier]

this is puny number for this amount of calculations tbh just give it up

[hard plank]

no but it's over

[wraith seal]

lighten up ur card dawg 🥀

[harsh glacier]

i spent 40 minutes roaming around in 2kki to get that screenshot

[hard plank]

solution

just make it brighter

[gilded vortex]

What do you think of the text

[wraith seal]

does it work like

"if last round ended with a straight, then +2 hand size next round"?

that's the impression im getting

[gilded vortex]

Almost

“If last round ended with a straight, then +2 hand size”

But I think that is what you tried to say

[wanton rapids]

that's a better description imo

[wraith seal]

if next round after that didnt end with a straight, then i wont get +2 hand size next next round right :3

[gilded vortex]

It’s less vanilla tho

[wanton rapids]

"last played poker hand of round" makes me think of the poker hand i just played this round imo

[gilded vortex]

If round n ends with a Straight, then you have extra hand size during round n+1

[gilded vortex]

“last played poker hand of round” is thunk wording

[wanton rapids]

granted blue seal uses this wording but i still don't like it

yeah

[gilded vortex]

Which I agree is bad

Cosmos used to use the Blue Seal wording

[west hill]

It needs to be “contained a straight”

[gilded vortex]

But we changed to “winning poker hand” to avoid confusion

[gilded vortex]

Different effect

This uses Blue Seal’s built-in variable

It only tracks the poker hand that was

[west hill]

Specifically discounting straight flushes doesn’t seem right

[gilded vortex]

That is the goal

To encourage specifically Straights

And to avoid writing new code to track the contents of the last played poker hand of round

But mostly to encourage specifically Straights

[wraith seal]

we need royal flush support jokers now...

[west hill]

Personally I don’t think that’s a good idea

But it’s up to you

[gilded vortex]

Why not?

[wraith seal]

its such a hard to build around hand yet little to no jokers to benefit from it

[wanton rapids]

hm. idea for a gameplay addition

if you doubleskip (still unsure on this condition), you are taken to an alt path at the start of the next ante. on this path, you get +1 shop slot, but blinds are 50% bigger and boss blinds are different

[west hill]

Straight flushes are just a specific type of straight, I would expect any straight support to also support them

[gilded vortex]

Saturn and Neptune

Straights and Straight Flushes are different poker hands, therefore I want effects that encourage one over the other.

[wanton rapids]

considering straight flush is such a niche hand in practice i feel like counting it is probably fine

[west hill]

And that’s fine, but you asked for why I don’t think it’s a good idea. Planets are a different concept related to poker hand types, not generic catch all effects like jokers provide

[wanton rapids]

and would lead to more fun gameplay considering sflush could definitely use the increased hand size

[gilded vortex]

Except any Straight support that doesn’t specifically excludes them already supports them

[gilded vortex]

I think it’s more fun if different poker hands have different reasons to use them

[plush hound]

It would be cool if Alt Path changes the mechanic entirely

[gilded vortex]

Straights would provide you bonus hand size

[plush hound]

like UNO with that flip thing

[gilded vortex]

Straight Flushes can e.g. provide Spectrals, in vanilla

Or wait was that changed in the release

[wanton rapids]

alt path collab mod(?)

[plush hound]

instead of multiplication, it's addition or subtraction

[wanton rapids]

oh like chips + mult? that's probably too much of a deviation

[gilded vortex]

Anyways, I think the idea of alternate pathing is interesting, but I’m not sure I like this implementation

[plush hound]

yeaaah, i figured, i just thought it was cool

since it's alt path

[wanton rapids]

yeah, the condition to get to it is a bit dubious

maybe like "sell a card during the boss blind"?

[gilded vortex]

The condition is the best part

[wanton rapids]

ah

[west hill]

It’s more like the set of straight flushes is entirely contained within the set of straights, so I think that effects that are designed to play with straights should allow you to play straight flushes in my opinion

[gilded vortex]

The “reward” I dislike because it’s not much of a reward. It’s more like punishment. But also I’d like if it were more interesting

Like maybe a specific type of shop instead of a bigger shop

[wanton rapids]

yeah fair enough

[gilded vortex]

That’s not true though

In Balatro

[wanton rapids]

straight flush is defined as a straight and a flush though

[gilded vortex]

But they can be disjoint

There are Straights that aren’t Straight Flushes and there are Straight Flushes that aren’t Straights

The former is obvious

[grand geode]

what sflush isnt a straight

what

[wanton rapids]

there aren't straight flushes that aren't straights though(?) i thought sflush was just defined as a straight and a flush

[grand geode]

you explicitly need a straight to get a sflush

[gilded vortex]

For the latter, take A K Q J 9 with Four Fingers

[wanton rapids]

that is a straight?

[gilded vortex]

AKQJ is a Straight

But it’s not a Straight Flush

[grand geode]

that is a sflush that contains a straight

[gilded vortex]

But it’s a strict subset

So it’s not contained inside Straight

[grand geode]

nothing mentions that the straight has to be a flush

[plush hound]

where's the 10

[grand geode]

it says a straight and a flush

[gilded vortex]

Try reading again

[swift matrix]

It contains a straight and contains a flush, by 4 fingers rules, thus straight flush

[plush hound]

shit

[gilded vortex]

As I said

That is a Straight Flush

But it’s not a Straight because it contains 9

That card isn’t part of the Straight

[grand geode]

it's a straight because it has AKQJ with 4f

[plush hound]

this is just Schrodinger's Cat

[grand geode]

what

[gilded vortex]

Yes that is the Straight

But the 9 isn’t part of the Straight

[swift matrix]

The 9 isn't part of the straight and the a isn't part of the flush

[grand geode]

and what about 9H

[wanton rapids]

if the nine was clubs then it would still be a straight

[gilded vortex]

Yes correct

[grand geode]

what is your point exactly

[grand geode]

because

[gilded vortex]

If you don’t have Four Fingers (so in “normal” Poker) the set of scoring cards in a Straight Flush contains and is contained in the set of scoring cards of a Straight

[swift matrix]

I don't see the point either actually. This feels like bare pedantry to me, but maybe I'm missing context

4 fingers is weird, yes

[gilded vortex]

With Four Fingers, the set of scoring cards in a Straight Flush does not need to be contained in a Straight

Because it can have an element that is part of the Flush but isn’t part of the Straight

[west hill]

No, but either way four fingers the set of cards that are a straight flush are still entirely contained within the set of straights

[swift matrix]

A hand can contain a straight and not be a straight

It's not that complicated

[west hill]

You can’t add a stipulation to one set and not the other to try and prove a point

That makes no sense at all

[plush hound]

just try it in game dude

LMAO

[wraith seal]

ling gang gu li gu li gu

[gilded vortex]

What do you think is being discussed

[plush hound]

ask thunk

[gilded vortex]

What do you mean by stipulations?

It’s obvious that there are Straights that aren’t Straight Flushes

[wraith seal]

🐔🧟

[west hill]

Using four fingers is a stipulation

[gray delta]

💀

[wanton rapids]

the set of played hands that contain a straight flush is contained within the set of played hands that contain a straight

which is what matters

[swift matrix]

I mean... I'm not sure what you're trying to say. A straight flush is defined as a hand that contains both a flush and a straight, but with 4 fingers the hand as a whole can be neither

[gilded vortex]

Why wouldn’t I be allowed to use a “stipulation” here?

[west hill]

You just have to apply the logic to both sets, the hand you suggested is both a straight flush and a straight

[gilded vortex]

And I was arguing that what matters is the containing relationship of scoring hands

If we’re talking about one hand being the other

Since that’s how set theory defines equality

[swift matrix]

But the non straight card wouldn't score if it wasn't part of the flush

[gilded vortex]

It contains both a Straight Flush and a Straight, but those sets are different

The 9 is in one set but not the other

So set equality doesn’t hold

For the scoring hand

[west hill]

It is 100% in the set of hands that contain a straight

[wanton rapids]

that hand still contains a straight though

[gilded vortex]

Yes that was never in question

[swift matrix]

Yeah this is true

[gilded vortex]

That is the definition of Straight Flush

But the Straight Flush itself doesn’t need to be a Straight

Because it includes a scoring card that’s not part of the Straight

Without Four Fingers, that can’t be true

[swift matrix]

Oh I see eremel's point now. All hands that contain straight flushes contain straights

[gilded vortex]

But Balatro has Four Fingers

[swift matrix]

Which is obviously true

[gilded vortex]

Yes

[gilded vortex]

As I had said

[swift matrix]

I don't think there ever was an actual point of disagreement?

[gilded vortex]

My disagreement is over whether to use “played hand contains” or “scoring hand is”

[west hill]

No you said an AKQJ9 with four fingers was a straight flush but not a straight

[gilded vortex]

Which is true

It isn’t a Straight

[west hill]

How is that possibly true

[gilded vortex]

It contains a Straight

[grand geode]

if the 9 is of a different suit then it becomes a straight

what

[storm forum]

https://tenor.com/view/ishan-uh-eekism-oofism-gif-21353128

[wanton rapids]

okay yes if straight flush was removed from the game and straight was above flush the 9 would not score

[swift matrix]

I think the point is that the 9 only scores in the flush condition

[grand geode]

you're saying a 4f'd straight becomes not a straight if it is a sflush

what the fuck

[swift matrix]

So the hand contains a straight but isn't itself fully a straight

[west hill]

The 9 is irrelevant

[gilded vortex]

Sorry I don’t understand what you’re saying

[west hill]

That’s like saying a 55543 hand isn’t a three of a kind

[plush hound]

we share the same confusion

[wanton rapids]

this is true, but it doesn't matter. anyways the original card seems fine and if you want to encourage specifically straight then it's alright

[swift matrix]

I get this argument though. A high card with junk is still a high card

[gilded vortex]

I think it’s important for the condition of being, but it’s irrelevant for containing

[west hill]

No it’s not

[grand geode]

it's not

[west hill]

Well it is if you’re discounting straight flush

[grand geode]

what is your definition of a Straight with Four Fingers here

[gilded vortex]

Balatro scores only the Three of a Kind part though

[storm forum]

-# More of not wanting to get in the way, figuring out how to grab Enhancement weight values during startup to initialize a table.

[swift matrix]

And balatro scores only the straight if it isn't also a flush?

[gilded vortex]

If they don’t exist yet try hooking the injection function

[swift matrix]

It's the same thing

[west hill]

Which is why my original point was it’s dumb to not support straight flushes in effects that encourage olaying straights

[gilded vortex]

Yeah but then it isn’t a Straight Flush

[storm forum]

What exactly to hook again?

[wanton rapids]

SMODS.Enhancement:inject (?)