#⚙・modding-general

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tidal nimbus
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Should I use dropbox to share the mod I created?

daring sluice
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github ideally

grand geode
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host it on GitHub if possible, otherwise just drop the zip in a new thread

tidal nimbus
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Ah I see

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😅

tulip gulch
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@grand geode

grand geode
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oh i forgor

tulip gulch
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?

grand geode
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update Steamodded

hard plank
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oops

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i guess no more of my mod

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ill fix that

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my mod is only conpat with old calc for now

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ill update to new calc tonight

lean dune
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then update it to new calc 💀

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its been like 4 weeks

hard plank
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sowwy mr john smods

tulip gulch
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WHİCH

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caps o

grand geode
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modest is vanilla, mainline is inteded experience, madness is number go big

tulip gulch
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mainline then

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keep crashing again

hard plank
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remove my mod

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or now

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for now

tulip gulch
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alr

woven leaf
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hey, quick question here, is crypytid compatible with other mods using new calc? Cause i've been following the install guide from Steamodded and it says to paste smods-main in Mods folder, but whenever that folder is alongside the cryptid ones game crashes. I remove the smods-main and it works again.
Any ideas?

lean dune
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there's a refactor branch that does, that's what you need to use

woven leaf
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this one?

grand geode
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yuh

lean dune
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yup

woven leaf
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k, thx, same for Talisman?

grand geode
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yuh

woven leaf
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So it should be like this right?

west hill
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I don’t understand why cryptid is still developing the main branch

lean dune
woven leaf
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k, so, i've added some mods that i've been told to try and...

Oops! The game crashed:
main.lua:1345: Could not find proper Talisman folder.
Please make sure the folder for Talisman is named exactly "Talisman" and not "Talisman-main" or anything else.

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1n-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~ALPHA-1326a-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.7.1
Platform: Windows

Stack Traceback

(3) global C function 'error'
(4) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 1345
(5) global C function 'require'
(6) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
c = table: 0x0736d968 {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x0736ccd8 (more...)}
openedconsole = boolean: false
confok = boolean: true
conferr = nil
(7) global C function 'xpcall'
(8) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
result = boolean: true
(9) global C function 'xpcall'
(10) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
func = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
inerror = boolean: true
deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

tranquil vessel
woven leaf
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My folder looks like this if it helps

tiny hearth
tranquil vessel
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oh wait lmao

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yeah check for nested folders

woven leaf
tiny hearth
grand geode
tranquil vessel
# woven leaf

can you include the path of the folder in the screenshot?

woven leaf
tranquil vessel
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hmm 🤔

woven leaf
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i'll check one by one

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cryptid alone seems to work just fine

tranquil vessel
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you could also try reinstalling talisman I guess

woven leaf
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nvm, it work now. adding them 1 by 1 to see what caused the issue "fixed" it. anyway, thx for the help guys

tranquil vessel
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🤨

woven leaf
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no idea why but it work now. guessed it was my pc being funny

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any mod recommendations btw?

blazing hare
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You are addicted to playing balatro.
I am addicted to modding balatro.
We are NOT the same.

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||i made a little texturepack||

lean dune
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that doesn't constitute a Balatro modding addiction imo

agile hemlock
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my mods stopped working yesterday and i can’t figure out why

blazing hare
woven leaf
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ok, jokes on me, game crashes. Was looking through the new modded decks and suddenly:

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is it cause of the cryptid version or some kind of incompatibility?

tranquil vessel
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that might just be the code deck crashing iirc

woven leaf
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whenever i try to see the green deck, not sure of the name

upper plinth
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what does the cryptid mod add? the github just says its an unbalanced mod

woven leaf
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as little as i know, around 200 jokers, boss blinds, and yeah, unbalanced gameplay

lean dune
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Also a bunch of decks, consumables (including a new type, code cards), vouchers and more

woven leaf
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some say it's fun seeing numbers go wild, other say it takes the fun away from the game cause it turns it trivial

zinc thorn
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What sets apart is how unique the ideas are; Code cards for example have meta effects, like one that allows you to visit a shop during a round.

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But there's stuff that's absolutely beyond broken, like a joker that gives you 0.1x mult for every member in the Cryptid Discord, which means it gives you I think over 1,000x mult.

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Personally, I play with it, along with around 30 other mods and most importantly, the Item Remover mod which allows me to prevent jokers I don't want from spawning.

upper plinth
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oh thats very interesting

zinc thorn
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Speaking of, how much stuff y'all got in your games? 😎

woven leaf
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also, prepare to go back to not understand a single thing

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cause i'm just reading through the decks and... no idea what half of the new ones do

upper plinth
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lmaoo

zinc thorn
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I just play with the normal red deck lmao.

woven leaf
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and i haven't even looked at the jokers and other additions

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so yeah, it'll be fun ig

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except for the crashes

upper plinth
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playing modded balatro has been a bit tough bc some mods work on their own, but break in combination to other mods

zinc thorn
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Then again, I never got crazy with it. Just the good ol' red deck.

zinc thorn
woven leaf
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i don't mean crash as in absurdly over the place combos

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but rather things crashing the game as the deck i send before

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hover over it, crash

zinc thorn
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Ah.

woven leaf
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i'll figure them out with time

tranquil vessel
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just don't hover over it >:D

zinc thorn
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No idea, none of the decks crash when hovering over them for me.

tranquil vessel
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yeah I think a recent update broke it

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so if you have an old version it'll still work

zinc thorn
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5.3c is the one I'm using.

west hill
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You’ll just have to random to it if you want to play it

zinc thorn
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or something similar with those numbers.

zinc thorn
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The thing with installing mods for games is, it's like a deal with the devil.

zinc thorn
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You need to invest so much time to make sure everything works perfectly.

tranquil vessel
zinc thorn
# upper plinth wdym

Mods should compliment vanilla and strive to also compliment other mods in my opinion.

lean dune
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typically most mods work quite well with each other

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there's been some movement within steamodded as of recently, and not all mods have made that switch yet. that's the biggest source of conflict rn

plush hound
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Cryptid is literal no-brainer

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especially Equilibrium

wind token
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i remember a mod that let you change how big the fire is, what was it called?

woven leaf
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anyone else crashing randomly after claiming money? i beat a blind, cash in, crash out

lean dune
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something something talisman 2.1

fallow bramble
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Bunco + Talisman crash

lean dune
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that thing is way too invasive ngl

woven leaf
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so Bunco goes away?

wind token
zinc thorn
woven leaf
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sure

zinc thorn
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Alright, one sec.

craggy lake
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has anyone gotten lovely to work on mac?

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everytime i try to run the script i get acces denied even though terminal has full access

zinc thorn
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It's not 100% stable but these are the mods that work for me relatively fine.

woven leaf
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thx man

zinc thorn
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If you encounter a crash related to a joker, reload your save and sell your jokers until you found the one that crashed when playing your hand, then disable it by clicking on it in the collection.

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With this config, I think I already disabled plenty of ones that either crash or don't work (have no effect), plus some other super unbalanced jokers like the one about discord member I mentioned earlier.

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fyi this is old calc, and this is pretty much every good quality mod I found for it that work, minus deck mods because I usually play with vanilla decks.

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And there's already over 50 decks so...

woven leaf
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k, i'll look at it tysm

zinc thorn
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No problem.

tranquil vessel
zinc thorn
tranquil vessel
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really? 🤔

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I'll take a look

zinc thorn
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Yeah, if it did work, I'd have no problem using it.

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Sadly it doesn't, and I prioritize mods that add jokers over decks.

tranquil vessel
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fair enough, it's not really that big on during the run content

zinc thorn
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Yep.

tranquil vessel
fossil kite
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can someone help me download steamodded im doing all the right steps yet it just wont show up

fossil kite
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whatt

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what is lovely??

tranquil vessel
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lovely aka version.dll?

fossil kite
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is that like a file in the game?

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but no i dont think i have that

tranquil vessel
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it's a file you need to use mods

fossil kite
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where can i get that

tranquil vessel
fossil kite
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thank youu

tranquil vessel
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step 1 & 2 are for getting lovely

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you can ask here if you have any more issues

fossil kite
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ooooh i just completely ignored that step im doopid

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tysm!

tranquil vessel
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all good lol

zinc thorn
tranquil vessel
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yeah it's probably because I have logging turned on when it defaults to off

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(kinda need it for mod development lol)

zinc thorn
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You develop? Cool. Made anything?

tranquil vessel
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the sleeves mod xD

zinc thorn
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Ooooooohhhh. Lmao that's awesome.

If I had it installed I would've definitely recognized your name.

fossil kite
tranquil vessel
fossil kite
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i do yeah

tranquil vessel
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does the console pop-up when you launch the game?

fossil kite
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it doesnt

tranquil vessel
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hmm, sounds like lovely might not be in the right place

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can you show me where you put it?

fossil kite
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where does it go?

zinc thorn
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Thinking of it, your name is familiar... Maybe it was on a card for Art of The deal...

fossil kite
tranquil vessel
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Ah yeah that's not the right location

fossil kite
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ooh

tranquil vessel
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it needs to be in the same folder your exe is in

fossil kite
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OOH

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thank youu

tranquil vessel
fossil kite
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works now! thank youuu :)

tranquil vessel
tranquil vessel
fossil kite
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guhhh ran into another problem

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i put two new mods in the mods folder and now my game crashes

tranquil vessel
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uh oh, which mods are you using

fossil kite
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codex arcanum and extra credit

tranquil vessel
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the old version of codex is really old and broken

fossil kite
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oooh i see

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it worked!

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thank you youre a life saver

tranquil vessel
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🫡

rare shell
radiant cloud
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Does Cryptid work with bettercalc yet? If not, what steammodded version works for it? I haven't ever been able to get it to work

formal orchid
radiant cloud
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Refactor branch?

floral fractal
formal orchid
radiant cloud
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Thanks! Ill try that if the old steammodded doesn't work

formal orchid
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no worries

exotic belfry
tranquil vessel
# zinc thorn

Would you mind trying this version? The changes I made are:

  • removed that weird debug statement from pampa
  • updated morefluff to the most recent version (source code, not releases)
  • added cardsleeves
radiant cloud
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It'd be cool to have steam workshop for balatro tbh

lean dune
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nah

exotic belfry
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It would screw everything up

hearty pebble
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hi im havbing poblem with mods on balatro

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like im putting the cryptid files on the folder required where to paste the files but balatro keeps staying the og game

fallow bramble
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Did you install Steamodded and lovely?

chrome latch
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what is this number...

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how did i even manage a number like that?

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i.... ive seen some wild stuff in this game but

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4.648e103392

hearty pebble
chrome latch
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the number just got bigger from one card...

glacial trellis
late rain
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anyone knows why right click hand select doesn't work on HandyBalatro mod for me?

glacial trellis
daring sluice
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delete the old and reinstall the new

keen willow
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hey does having all mods disabled and playing on a vanilla save file still makes it unable to get achievement?

sweet mesa
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Hey there, it's me again, so i'm done removing the background of all the card and i'm now at the part where i'm supposed to put every card on the same file, but for that I am at an impass because i got no clue how

hearty pebble
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i think i have installed steamodded and love but no signs of mods yet

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im trying to install cryptid

formal orchid
late rain
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i have installed handybalatro but right click select doesnt work. does it work by default for you or do I need to change something? I toggle on/off the option but it doesn't work.

floral fractal
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what even is this score

agile hemlock
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my game is crashing every time i click the cashout button at the end of a round heres the error message if anyone is able to help please do

indigo flax
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I have all these mods installed, anyone recommend anything else to add because I want more

neat tree
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misprint deck is so fucking funny

tranquil vessel
indigo flax
tranquil vessel
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yeah

indigo flax
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ok

indigo flax
tranquil vessel
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absolutely not

vivid flare
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is there a mod thhat like gives you spectral card like each hand

indigo flax
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all need newer versions

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of smod

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I just want broken mods but also fun ones

indigo flax
tranquil vessel
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update steamodded shrug

indigo flax
formal orchid
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get cryptid refactor

indigo flax
formal orchid
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1 sec

sleek pendant
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my mod doesnt woeek and has an error when i put in smods old calc

indigo flax
sleek pendant
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i think im having same issue

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tried crypid and refractor

indigo flax
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i got it

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you have to download the source

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not the other thing

sleek pendant
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?

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im pressing code then download zip

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only when old calc is in it crashes

cunning compass
sleek pendant
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nvm im so dumb

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didnt get rid of steam modded with old calc

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nvm crashes when loading in

hard plank
fallow bramble
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Gotta love winning a run with 2 evolved jimbos, so silly

hard plank
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anyway

radiant wyvern
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hello everyone, I'm new here and i'm also new at modding Balatro, i'm kinda lost and i was just wondering if there's a whole documentation thing for me to look at, because I would like to make some custom jokers, thank you!

hard plank
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the steamodded wiki

hard plank
radiant wyvern
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ahh turns out I didnt check in depth but there's the basics of Lua here, thank you!

and where could I find the Balatro function, such as find_joker and such? i'm trying to make a joker card that recquires another one to be purchased in order to have a boosted effect

hard plank
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what are the chances

exotic belfry
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I

vivid flare
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is there a way to play modded decks withhout the moded jokers?

latent crescent
fossil kite
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can anyone recomend me some cool vanilla-style mods for balatro?

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i already have extra credit and codex arcanum but i want M O R E

latent crescent
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Cosmos

hard plank
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why do people like vanilla themed mods

latent crescent
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Because they're balances, y know

fossil kite
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im like this with other games too

hard plank
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literally minecraft vanilla+

fossil kite
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i dont even play minecraft

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im built different! (im just weird)

keen willow
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hey whats the hand called when you select the whole deck in criptid

hard plank
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the entire fucking deck

keen willow
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i cant use the code joker to do it?

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i mean code consumable

bronze locust
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round 101 got infinity i think i reached my limit...

golden dawn
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Hi people, is there a mod that lets you customize shop size for cards, vouchers and boosters sold, thats configurable?

hard plank
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ok it works now

floral fractal
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WHAT IS THIS NUMBER

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good lord the vouchers have gone off the screen

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oh lord

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something is giving me 50 dollars everytime i reroll 😭

golden dawn
floral fractal
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my god

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i think im abt to break the game

golden dawn
floral fractal
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wait ik why im getitng money

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cause of wario

keen willow
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chat i did it

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am i goated

floral fractal
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ye

keen willow
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Oops! The game crashed:
main.lua:1845: functions/state_events.lua:1009: attempt to index a nil value

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1n-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~ALPHA-1304a-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.7.1
Steamodded Mods:
1: Talisman by MathIsFun_, Mathguy24, jenwalter666, cg-223 [ID: Talisman, Version: 2.0.2, Uses Lovely]
Break Infinity: omeganum
2: Cryptid by MathIsFun_, Cryptid and Balatro Discords [ID: Cryptid, Priority: 2147483647, Version: 0.5.3c, Uses Lovely]
Lovely Mods:

Stack Traceback

(3) global C function 'error'
(4) Lua field 'update' at file 'main.lua:1845'
Local variables:
dt = number: 0.046983
success = boolean: false
msg = string: "functions/state_events.lua:1009: attempt to index a nil value"
(5) Lua function '?' at file 'main.lua:931' (best guess)
(6) global C function 'xpcall'
(7) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
func = Lua function '?' (defined at line 902 of chunk main.lua)
inerror = boolean: true
deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

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the error message just in case

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does it crash bc the scoring is too big?

floral fractal
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my game was at like 1fps for 30 seconds there

golden dawn
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OH GOD

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oil lamp goes up to 1e300

floral fractal
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ok i finally crashed the game

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we're back

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calculations on my last played hand were 946000

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just eclipsed that

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when will it end

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im at 10 million calculations

lilac scroll
floral fractal
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no WAY

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the calculations finished and my game crashed

lilac scroll
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expected

floral fractal
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imgonna try again with just 1 card

rotund gate
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help I have like 500 code pack vouchers 😦

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oh thank god I got a code card to reset back to the start of the ante

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crisis averted

mint hatch
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does installing cryptid actually truly break your game irrevesibly

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i've heard that and it's why im unwilling to try it

hard plank
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i think that is highly advised

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for any modded journey

mint hatch
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that kind of answers my question lol

vivid flare
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how does pointer work?

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like whhat exactly do you need to type?

hearty pebble
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who can help me? im trying modding balatro but no signs of mods

cerulean locust
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anything that exists in the game

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it's kinda like scribblenauts if you've ever played that

hard plank
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Scribblenauts reference???

hearty pebble
vivid flare
hard plank
cerulean locust
hearty pebble
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it just runs normal game

cerulean locust
vivid flare
hearty pebble
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here

hard plank
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actually

cerulean locust
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and did you put the lovely dll in C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Balatro?

hard plank
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yeah

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was gonna ask that

hard plank
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are you sure antivirus didn't just

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poof it out of existence

hearty pebble
hard plank
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show your Steam Balatro folder

hearty pebble
hard plank
hearty pebble
hard plank
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try launching the game i guess

hearty pebble
hard plank
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yeah lovely seems to be working alright

hard plank
hearty pebble
hard plank
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i don't know shit about Cryptid but try downloading that first

hearty pebble
hard plank
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also show the mod folder

hearty pebble
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should i first put steamodded?

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ik nothign works without it

hard plank
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😔

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vro did not answer my question

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still

cerulean locust
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wait

junior rock
cerulean locust
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did you make the mods folder yet?

hearty pebble
cerulean locust
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or are you just slapping them into the balatro folder?

hearty pebble
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i did

junior rock
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old calc smods and old calc talisman

hearty pebble
junior rock
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then what happens if you launch it

hearty pebble
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without anything

hard plank
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Cryptid download should just give you Cryptid and Talisman

junior rock
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did you install lovely

hard plank
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i checked

hard plank
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by here i meant in the Mods folder

hearty pebble
hearty pebble
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but still normal game launching

hard plank
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now put everything in %Appdata%/Balatro/Mods

hearty pebble
hard plank
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make sure you didn't misspell anything

hearty pebble
hard plank
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the console pops up which means lovely is installed

hearty pebble
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Yes

hard plank
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just to be sure the mods are in this folder right

hearty pebble
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Yeah

hard plank
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that is strange

hearty pebble
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Ikr

hard plank
hearty pebble
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WARN - [♥] Unknown key patches.17.?.match_indent found in patch file at "C:\Users\Rin\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods\Cryptid\lovely\Code.toml", ignoring it
WARN - [♥] Unknown key patches.7.?.match_indent found in patch file at "C:\Users\Rin\AppData\Roaming\Balatro\Mods\Cryptid\lovely\Voucher.toml", ignoring it
INFO - [♥] Initialization complete in 112ms

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it says this man

hard plank
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please update your copy of Balatro

hearty pebble
plucky schooner
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its the most disgusting code ever but it works 👍

neon orchid
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Bro just leak their ip at that point

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And their genetic sequence

plucky schooner
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nah its just for me lmao

neon orchid
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Leak YOUR ip them, goose

plucky schooner
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192.168.1.1

hearty pebble
hard plank
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💀

hard plank
plucky schooner
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idk

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why not

neon orchid
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It can be correlated with a dystopian future where privacy is banned and every action you do must be publicized
Or something
I’m just not used to seeing that much on discord

vivid flax
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that $11 isnt even related to balatro, thats their actual bank account

plucky schooner
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spent too much on copies of balatro

hard plank
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for friends and family

plucky schooner
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of course of course

spring gyro
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perkeo was a mistake

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its not stopping\

exotic relic
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so guys is this what people mean by their hands take a little while to play

orchid sequoia
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talisman max number limit claims to be e10##1000, right? what does that mean mathematically and how did it come about programatically

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oh god. i understand the math of it now. well, i don't understand it, no human ever could, but wow.

grand geode
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big number

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do be big

ancient gyro
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im having trouble modding on Linux, i did the whole Lovely and Steamodded installation thing

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i would like help if possible

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i am using Steammodded

normal sundial
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hey look at this

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ive been at this for far too long

rotund gate
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I just got 3 gateway cards at once

rotund gate
plush barn
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Is animated card decoration possible?

void beacon
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guys

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what does this mean

neat tree
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peep my deck

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what have i done

lean ridge
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Hi, I'm having problems trying to install the brainstorm mod. Can someone help? I followed the instructions on their github but am getting this error when launching the game:

Error

Syntax error: game.lua:4: '=' expected near 'Game'

Traceback

[love "callbacks.lua"]:228: in function 'handler'
[C]: at 0x7ff970992fa0
[C]: in function 'require'
main.lua:16: in main chunk
[C]: in function 'require'
[C]: in function 'xpcall'
[C]: in function 'xpcall'

I think it's related to levely version.dll, once I remove it from the game folder the game launcher normaly, but without the brainstorm mod (all the other mods in the folder work properly)

formal orchid
burnt token
#

Hey Does Anyone Know Where The Background Colors Are And UI Eliments Are In The Game Files

inner gyro
#

Getting this crash error with Cryptid, anyone know how to fix it?

lethal shale
#

I've got this idea for a mod that adds joker evolution and EXP as a new second currency that gets earned from random blinds and new jokers.
Basically it's based off the pokemon TCG where evolutions place the card on top of another card, evolutions, unless stated otherwise will stack effects on top of each other. It'll probably be wildly overpowered but i kind of like that

sleek granite
lethal shale
#

there is that but this one is a lot more complex

sleek granite
#

you could build it from similar bones

lethal shale
#

i could maybe, though i'm pretty sure they have their own thing

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i'm probably not even gonna make this into more than just a fun concept though, i am no good at code much less modding code

sleek granite
#

i think you'd be able to like, set up the XP system as an evo method in Joker Evolution

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but fair ig

lethal shale
#

yeah if i do that that'd be just taking over their direction, i've got my own thing

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i also have a bunch of unique jokers and mechanics for the EXP system

slate citrus
#

i finally figured out how to make mods. time to try making a proper full mod :3

burnt rover
#

first infity

rotund gate
#

damn neutron star scaling is crazy combined with this modded voucher

inner gyro
neon bloom
rotund gate
#

i got almost 1k cards in my deck once. the game gave up when i was like 8 short of 1k or something

tidal citrus
#

heyyy, any clue why bunco mod crashes my game for simply playing cards?

tepid root
#

Hi! I'm trying to get the Lobotomy Corp Mod to work for the mac version of Balatro. I tried to use the most recent version of Steamodded and followed the installation process, but after the game loaded, it crashed, with the error

engine/sprite.lua:9: attempt to index field 'atlas' (a nil value)

Trying to switch to the old-calc version of Steamodded to see if that would work, but I can't find the smods-main directory

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I also submitted this issue in the github for the mod, but I thought it wouldn't hurt for me to ask the Discord for help

grand geode
#

LobotomyCorp uses the latest version, and that crash only happens when a mod can't load due to incorrect Steamodded version

tepid root
#

That's...weird

grand geode
#

Do you happen to also have Cryptid or the like?

#

or only LobotomyCorp?

tepid root
#

No?

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Just LobCorp

#

This is my first time trying to mod the game

grand geode
#

awa

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Can you post the full crash log?

tepid root
#

Yeah give me a bit

inner gyro
#

I guess I chose the wrong time to send that lol

inner gyro
# inner gyro pls help

@grand geode Here you go. And I don't intend to be annoying, I'm sorry. Just haven't been able to get any mods to work lately.

grand geode
#

can you send me the file in Mods/lovely/dump/functions/common_events.lua?

tepid root
#

Fixed it. turns out I forgot to actually put Steamodded in...

grand geode
normal sundial
#

First suit done, three to go

grand geode
#

hm

#

try removing BalatroPlus

inner gyro
#

Trying that now

#

She lives!!

#

I am saddened to remove a mod, but it's worth it. Thank you!

grand geode
#

unfortunately i believe BalatroPlus is oldcalc only so sowwy

inner gyro
#

It's all good. I'm just glad to have the game back. Thank you so much!

arctic whale
#

Is there a mod that adds more ante’s?

inner gyro
#

As far as I know, there's no limit to how many antes you can go to in the vanilla game

arctic whale
#

You can’t make it past ante 39 lol the scoring won’t let you

inner gyro
#

Ah

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I believe Talisman removes the score limit?

grand geode
#

Talisman does, however it's prone to save corruption

inner gyro
#

Oh, should I remove Talisman from my mod list, then?

arctic whale
#

Oh yeah, forgot I had that disabled atm that’s why I hit naneinf instead of a score

grand geode
#

If your save is only for modded, no need

#

matters when switching between vanilla and modded

inner gyro
#

I'll keep the mobile version for vanilla, so that's chill

exotic shadow
#

(also it could be reverted manually)

grand geode
#

better safe than sorry

#

my vanilla modlist is like. galdur malverk nopeus secret 4th mod

exotic shadow
#

my vanilla modlist is like:

hard plank
#

anyway

#

I've been working on my mod for some time

#

i think the scope has grown a lot

heady gate
fierce escarp
#

A few mods dont work with the new one

#

Use old-calc

heady gate
#

ive got old-calc

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but i found a single zip with all of jens stuff and everything so i moved to that cause i was running only cryptid till now

#

and ive got no clue

tidal citrus
quartz kettle
#

do someone know how to make that if you have a legendary Joker music plays? like when you get Exotic in Cryptid mod

rotund gate
#

I just figured out that you can combine the cat tags together into higher level ones lol

inner gyro
hard plank
#

maybe

inner gyro
#

I have a couple friends who do. One of them is unemployed (just like me, I hate it lol). Our plan is that if I'm unable to find a job after finishing my course, and he also doesn't have a job by then, we'll look into freelance web design

hard plank
#

I'm unemployed

rotund gate
#

I have 80 negative jupiters I need to get rid of so my perkeo's dupe a gateway card

#

lol

high rover
#

i realized that i have way too many mods
and its sucking the fun out of balatro
so ive decided to go... not vanilla, more "chocolate milk" in a way
i will still have mods, but im going to remove my NOT SERIOUS profile and focus on only serious (ish, still got joker mods) mods
uh
fune

#

just like a lemon

hard plank
high rover
#

yeah i am]

hard plank
high rover
#

im mostly focusing on having a more reset experience, as most of my mods are tame anyways
just had to uninstall cryptid, talisman, six suits (six suits kinda trash) and bunco

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istg i wish collection had a mark as read button 💀

#

hm
something bad is that fsr whenever i reset the profile it always starts with yellow, green, etc
i want it to start fresh

#

maybe its the cloud

rotund gate
#

I now have like 80 negative gateway cards lmao

#

nostalgic invisible joker kept hitting my perkeo, which is eternal too.

peak ginkgo
#

I can’t download injector, help me please

high rover
peak ginkgo
#

Steaminjector, or I can play mods with only lovely?

high rover
#

i dont know what steam injector is
also mods normally use steammodded with lovely (lovely's the injector, steamodded is an api)

#

there are some mods with other apis like balamod

peak ginkgo
#

Let's put it another way, how do I install, for example, cryptid

high rover
peak ginkgo
#

When I install the steaminjector, I don't have a mods folder.

#

The object on the specified path does not exist

#

And this

high rover
#

i didnt even know you could make your console send in russian

umbral pilot
#

you cannot use the steamodded injector with modern mods. you need to validate your game files in steam and then follow the lovely installation instructions in the smods wiki.

high rover
#

i didnt even know it had an injector, i thought steaminjector was some other thing

umbral pilot
#

it's super super super old

#

that's what was used before lovely

high rover
#

i see

#

WOAH SUPER REACT (thx for the roses moment fr)

#

awesome

plush hound
#

i dont think roffle and murphy tried the blackjack mod yet

inner gyro
#

Did the latest version of Cryptid remove the configs? I was hoping to turn off time-based boss blinds and challenges, like I could before, but there's no config for Cryptid anymore

shrewd thorn
#

my best before being softlocked or something

#

it's just fun to have 1.2k cards in deck

#

literally cashout crashes

high rover
#

sadge

shrewd thorn
#

no im stupid hang on

high rover
#

ok then

shrewd thorn
#

silly

fathom umbra
green girder
#

how do i install lovely incejtor or where i get it ?

unique raft
#

Are there any mods that add a bunch of jimbo quips when you win/lose

#

If not, I have a niche i want to fill

exotic shadow
#

no but I know how you would go about doing that

unique raft
#

I don't know much about coding in Lua but something like adding more quips can't be hard

exotic shadow
#

well the locolization has all the quips but you need to modifty the code to pick more from the random list

#

win quips are in functions/state_events.lua line 53

#

Jimbo:add_speech_bubble('wq_'..math.random(1,7), nil, {quip = true})

#

probably make that 7 a variable

#

lose quips are in game.lua line 3598

#

Jimbo:add_speech_bubble('lq_'..math.random(1,10), nil, {quip = true})

fathom umbra
storm forum
plush hound
#

im in fucking debt

candid grotto
#

still having problems

#

there is some fork of the last arcanum codex mod that works without problems with the smods old calc?

#

using with bunco cryptid and morefluff

wet topaz
#

I cant get cryptid to work

#

i also dont see where i would download an older version of steamodded

candid grotto
wet topaz
#

that one crashes me

#

oh

#

its one of the other mods

lean dune
#

that'd be codex

vivid flare
#

is there a way to play only with the moded decks but not withh the jokers?

sinful basalt
#

i remember there was a baltro mod with like mvoie vouchers or something?? It was dinema relayed, and it had you completing tasks for rewards

#

does anyone know the mod i’m talking about?

zinc thorn
candid grotto
#

is the only mod left i want to use

formal orchid
candid grotto
#

(using rn cryptid morefluff bunco)

#

and i dont find an arcanum codex version that works with the smod version im using without crashing because of cryptid

vivid flare
meager kindle
#

hello where can i find chance of hidden cards like soul or black hole in balatro file?

clear solstice
#

managed to crash cryptid

#

big number

hard plank
#

bro got hacked

clear solstice
#

took me 3 days

rose harbor
#

probably not though

agile geode
#

This will give you the result you want, but if you want to remove specific jokers or other features you can go to the source code

How can I disable a specific boss blind/joker/etc.?

Let's use Blinds as an example.

In your Balatro mods folder, navigate to \Cryptid\Items and find Blinds.lua. (Different types of items will be contained in different Lua files in this folder.)

Towards the end of the file, there's an array named items_togo, near line 1230. You can disable specific Blinds by deleting the relevant lines here. These settings will take effect on a restart. Most other files will have a similar items array near the bottom of the file that you can modify to remove specific things from Cryptid. This system will be changed to be in-game before Cryptid 0.6.0.

GitHub

An unbalanced Balatro mod. Contribute to MathIsFun0/Cryptid development by creating an account on GitHub.

vivid flare
#

ok thhx for the help

plush hound
#

huh?????

viscid charm
#

Is there a mod to make it easier to look at a lot of jokers? I'm kinda new to modding and I haven't been able to find one

cursive kraken
#

hi, i downloaded the ortalab mod but it's not detecting it in the folder

foggy crag
cursive kraken
hard plank
#

actually kinda fun

#

hmmmmm

plush hound
#

is that wordle

#

wordle in balatro

hard plank
#

solving my own puzzle in balatro

sterile hornet
hard plank
#

ok the word is house but i am testing

viscid charm
candid grotto
viscid charm
sterile hornet
gritty basin
#

just lurking to see what the modding scene is all about (real)

sterile hornet
candid grotto
sterile hornet
candid grotto
#

now i will wait

#

rn im in a funny run

gritty basin
#

ive got enough work on a little balatro standalone remix today

sterile hornet
#

it was very rare not long ago

hard plank
gritty basin
#

still a wip but im getting the hang of it

hard plank
#

also lovely guess

candid grotto
sterile hornet
# gritty basin reposting from the fanart channel

nice
me and the Ortalab devs have mentioned wanting someone to make custom music here and there, and now we can actually find people that do it
now we just wait to find people who are actually good at shaders

#

those are legendary rarity basically

plush hound
#

i like the uhh

#

Soriee music

hard plank
hard plank
#

wtf dark theme balatro

plush hound
#

too much color, my eyes hurt:(

hard plank
#

anyway do you have guesses to this

polar turtle
#

Guys how do yall turn off steam modded

plush hound
gritty basin
hard plank
#

5 letters

plush hound
#

loved?

#

wait no

hard plank
#

no d

plush hound
#

holes

hard plank
#

hold on what if i disable blind

candid grotto
#

i am wario im gonna be rich

hard plank
#

no s

polar turtle
plush hound
#

this is why i dont play wordle

#

love your mod though

hard plank
plush hound
#

its refreshing

hard plank
plush hound
#

i got scrabble and blackjack on the same game

candid grotto
hard plank
#

because i hate king baron setup

polar turtle
candid grotto
plush hound
hard plank
#

i love mods that just

#

not just number go up

plush hound
#

preach

tulip gulch
hard plank
#

THE WORD WAS BLOKE

tulip gulch
#

still cant flip cards 💔

hard plank
#

I ALREADY SOLVED IT BUT I JUST WANTED TO SHOW

#

anyway

#

@tulip gulch were you playing with lobocorp mod

tulip gulch
#

yes

hard plank
#

or are you playing cryptid rn

#

(old calc?)

tulip gulch
hard plank
#

oh

#

so that means you are on new calc right

tulip gulch
#

OH FUCK OH FUCK

hard plank
#

it just so happens that i have updated my mod to new calc

tulip gulch
#

ILL GET IT SOON

plush hound
hard plank
#

yes

#

there is and old calc version but i left that in the dust now

candid grotto
#

how many antes this will survive until crash?

hard plank
candid grotto
tulip gulch
#

Ill get it soon*

#

downloading it rn

candid grotto
hard plank
#

silly

candid grotto
#

the wordle mod seems very good

hard plank
#

i still need to put the wordle table on the game screen tho

#

right now the table is in mod config

plush hound
#

you can make it so that it creates 1 negative joker that acts as the screen when you hover over it

candid grotto
#

i am at 13k of money

hard plank
#

i found a funny bug

plush hound
candid grotto
wraith seal
#

is there any way to make it so that this only triggers after playing a hand specifically? i cant figure out the conditions

#

currently, it also triggers after i played my last hand, so it kinds of just adds mult to nothing even after the blind is beaten

grand geode
wraith seal
woven leaf
#

Heyoo, does someone know why it crashes every time I discard cards? I'm guessin it might be some joker i have but i don't know how to read though the logs so any help would be appreciated.

#

And trying them one by one doesn't seem to be plausible xD

hard plank
fallow bramble
#

individual also exists in this context

wraith seal
#

bruh wtf is this 💀

wraith seal
# hard plank miku

its a custom cursor lol, i can give you the link to download it if you want

hard plank
#

i love miku

wraith seal
#

bro 😭

#

am i cooked

wraith seal
#

its changing everytime 😭

void beacon
#

can someone tell me what this means

#

it happens everytime i play a hand on crypted

#

but whenever i discard the game just closes

wraith seal
#

this is insane bruh, not being able to run a game less than 100mb 😭

void beacon
#

its just crypted, ive put mods into the mod folder and they dont show up

wraith seal
#

i know my laptop is weak but damn

void beacon
#

per for pokermon

wraith seal
#

i cant even boot it up rn 💀

void beacon
#

oop

hard plank
void beacon
#

migu

wraith seal
#

ukim

sour epoch
candid grotto
#

works!!!

#

thanks so much

#

welp my modpack is complete

#

now i can play with all the things i like to use

#

also, there was a QoLmod i used that makes changes to death and other things, and i remember makes death change more cards and nwoi dont remember the name

urban goblet
#

Oops! The game crashed:
Syntax error: card.lua:540: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 505) near 'eternal'

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1n-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~ALPHA-1304a-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.6.0

Stack Traceback

(3) C function 'function: 0x3708cf38'
(4) global C function 'require'
(5) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 1177
(6) global C function 'require'
(7) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
c = table: 0x3708a5a8 {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x3708a5f8 (more...)}
openedconsole = boolean: false
confok = boolean: true
conferr = nil
(8) global C function 'xpcall'
(9) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
result = boolean: true
(10) global C function 'xpcall'
(11) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
func = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
inerror = boolean: true
deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

please help

hard plank
#

@tulip gulch @candid grotto i updated my mod so it still works with Talisman installed

#

previously if you lose on the puzzle blinds you will proceed to the next blind

tulip gulch
#

Alr

lofty spear
#

hi, i keep getting this error, any ideas why?

warm cipher
#

not entirely sure why, it wants me to have one bigger than 2.00 but lower than the one it gives me?

#

unless there's just incompatabilities between pokermon and cryptid that i don't know about

#

(i'm not running both at the same time, i just want to have them in my mods folder)

#

nevermind, got it working. dunno what i did, but
pacshrug

wraith seal
latent nimbus
#

balatro star rail

wraith seal
#

introducing hardcore gambling to gambling game

noble bramble
#

i need to find the file for the save that resumes a previous playthrough

tulip gulch
#

no idea whats gonna happen

vivid flare
tulip gulch
#

lobotomy corp

void beacon
grand geode
iron gate
#

I need ideas for mods to practice makig them

livid berry
#

can someone help me trouble shoot cardsauce, please?

#

I keep getting this error

hard plank
#

discard_UI

#

oops

crude prairie
#

what happened to my mult? i was doing a triple stella mortis run and had mult up to e138000 but the frames were getting choppy, so i exited out and my mult dropped to e1000

livid berry
ivory sinew
#

Has anyone figured out how to modify card selection limit

pliant lotus
#

I have a quick question

#

I'm playing with a handful of mods, some of the cards I have appear to have strange exponents like ^^2 and ^^^2

dapper mica
# hard plank

let me just say i am REALLY excited for whatever this mod turns into to come out. it reminds me a lot of the bookworm series

pliant lotus
#

How is this expressed mathematically?

#

I've never come across this format before, is this essentially ^2^2 and ^2^2^2 respectively, or is it some other formula?

#

I'm just here scratching my head because I thought I was fairly good at math. I know this is a big number, but what I'm trying to figure out is how the math is being worked.

#

Or is this like, titration?

vivid flare
#

@pliant lotus what mod is it?

split crag
# pliant lotus

tetration has INSANE scaling, example - 2 to the first tetration is just 2^1 which is 2, the the second is 2^2 which is 4, to the third is 2^2^2 which is 16 since you just get your base number and put it to the power of the last answer, so 2 to the 4th tetration would be 2^16 which is about 65000, and after that it coninues, your ^^^3 is x^3^3^3 aka x^729

proven mauve
#

has anyone made a tool for enabling/disabling specific mods without having the game open? currently I can only do this by opening the game and using the mods menu but I'd like to have another option in case something causes a crash

vivid flare
west hill
#

Can also create a .lovelyignore in the folders

ivory sinew
hard plank
#

patching

ivory sinew
#

So it’s a little more than editing the lua

hard plank
#

ye

#

wait

#

"editing"?

zinc thorn
#

Is it possible to code my own jokers if I have zero coding knowledge?

lean dune
#

x^^^3 is x^^x^^x which is even more insane

split crag
#

i just thought they formatted it like that bc u cant type it backwards

lean dune
#

no it's just the next hyperoperation

wild orbit
hard plank
#

what in tarnation

pliant lotus
#

Big number goes here

vivid flare
#

is it a joker or what exactly?

pliant lotus
vivid flare
#

alr thx

lucid shell
#

is there a mod rthat skips animations entirely?

#

did something with the cryptid deck

pliant lotus
#

I'm gonna math your matics until I [HYPERLINK BLOCKED]

pliant lotus
lucid shell
exotic dagger
#

this sure is a funny looking royal flush

lucid shell
#

i know this is a stupid question, but how do I download the mod 🤣

#

like i went to github

#

I dont remember if theres a button to download

pliant lotus
lucid shell
#

do i just click code?

pliant lotus
#

Yup

lucid shell
#

does that download all of the mods or just nopeus

pliant lotus
#

All of 'em

#

Unfortunately it appears to be a bundled mod, though you can seperate it.

#

Just put nopeus in the mods folder as normal and run it

lucid shell
#

ok :3

#

thanks!

#

<3

pliant lotus
#

NP, let me know if you run into any issues and I can try help

lucid shell
#

alright!

urban goblet
#

hey could anyone help me with this?
i dont know whats coasing the crash

Oops! The game crashed:
Syntax error: card.lua:540: '}' expected (to close '{' at line 505) near 'eternal'

Additional Context:
Balatro Version: 1.0.1n-FULL
Modded Version: 1.0.0~ALPHA-1304a-STEAMODDED
LÖVE Version: 11.5.0
Lovely Version: 0.6.0

Stack Traceback

(3) C function 'function: 0x3708cf38'
(4) global C function 'require'
(5) main chunk of file 'main.lua' at line 1177
(6) global C function 'require'
(7) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:323' (best guess)
Local variables:
c = table: 0x3708a5a8 {identity:false, version:11.5, accelerometerjoystick:true, modules:table: 0x3708a5f8 (more...)}
openedconsole = boolean: false
confok = boolean: true
conferr = nil
(8) global C function 'xpcall'
(9) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:362' (best guess)
Local variables:
result = boolean: true
(10) global C function 'xpcall'
(11) LÖVE function at file 'boot.lua:377' (best guess)
Local variables:
func = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
inerror = boolean: true
deferErrhand = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 348 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])
earlyinit = Lua function '(LÖVE Function)' (defined at line 355 of chunk [love "boot.lua"])

urban goblet
pliant lotus
#

You have morespeed and nopeus in there, I believe the two might be conflicting, not sure.

#

Both are speed altering mods and it might be that one's kinda trying to override the other.

tranquil vessel
#

I also see some duplicate mods in there

#

e.g. MoreFluff and MoreFluff-main, CardSleeves and CardSleeves-main

#

make sure you don't have any duplicates like that

pliant lotus
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Yeah, if you're running Jen's collection, you'd want a clean setup like this:

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(I do have a few extra jokers mods that I've tested and confirmed working with the Jen's Mods collection)

urban goblet
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thank you

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ok yeah so now this happens
i tried cleaning up my folder also

pliant lotus
wild orbit
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balls

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balls jokener

pliant lotus
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Or Jimball

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(he plays funkytown)

wild orbit
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r Kelly jokert

pliant lotus
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Jimbo is a joker of great taste.

late rain
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hello, I want to create a simple mod that adds custom poker hands, I saw the RoyalFlush smod example on github. Is there a list of all the base poker hands of the game like two pairs, three of a kind etc. ?

void beacon
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please

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i just wanna play crypted

heavy shell
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Hello! Wanted to ask if there's any way to play Cryptid with Steamodded main so I can play it together with Ortalab?

mint oracle
heavy shell
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Ah never mind just found

mint oracle
mint oracle
neat tree
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HELP ME

mint oracle
heavy shell
neat tree
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i also have a shitton of digital hallucinations generating like 50 negative consumers per pack 😭

mint oracle
hard plank
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wtf did u dooo

neat tree
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i skipped a pack

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and things went very wrong

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started a new run :(

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i was so close to ante 36

ivory sinew
sturdy canyon
hard plank
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oml

ivory sinew
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Yeah I saw how you and Cryptid used .toml to inject it and added a config thing for select size

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Then made it so the deck sets it at the start

hard plank
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spelling bee

dapper mica
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so if a hashtag card is used in a situation where multiple letters are possible in the spelled word, what does it default to

dapper mica
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aight
excited to check this out when it is ready

keen willow
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that looks cool asf

hard plank
keen willow
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it looks really cool

hard plank
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thanks

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i worked on it for quite a bit

keen willow
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oh hell yea im trying it out

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oh its new calc

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idk if i can actually play it?

hard plank
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but it's not as up to date

keen willow
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is it uh

hard plank
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e.g the puzzle blinds wasn't done

keen willow
hard plank
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i think the main one you get from the green code button is new calc

keen willow
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ahh damnit

hard plank
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the releases one that said old calc should work with old calc

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this mod isn't feature complete so expect stuff to break

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but the deck is there in the old calc

wispy canopy
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(music is a placeholder)

west hill
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I like the deck info screen but hate what you’ve done with galdur

wispy canopy
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still?

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is it because it looks bad or do you just not like seeing changes to galdur

west hill
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Because it looks bad and is entirely pointless

wispy canopy
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Okay how does it look bad

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Because I'm not giving up the menu switch

west hill
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The button is too dark and makes the selector not centered with the page it’s switching

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But even beyond that, this isn’t what galdur is designed to do

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It should show all the decks in the selection screen, not have certain ones toggled into a different menu

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It’s just not clean or intuitive UX

wispy canopy
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Soooooo should I remove the galdur dependency and just make the same thing work with vanilla

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Because is the idea of having a seperate menu for b-side decks fundamentally bad

west hill
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It doesn’t make a lot of sense imo

wispy canopy
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I mean I think it does. It makes it much easier to find and get to the decks, especially considering that I'm literally doubling the number of base decks. Would you rather scroll through them yourself?

west hill
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Yes that is fundamentally the point of galdur

lean dune
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with galdur, i wouldn't mind at all

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with the vanilla deck select, hell no

ripe sail
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hello! what is the name of the mod that predicts the score?

lean dune
west hill
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Making your decks special and having their own way to view them would be fine with vanilla ui, but galdur completely removes the need for that

wispy canopy
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Okay then, I think I'm just going to have vanilla UI because again, not removing the menu switch. That's like integral to what tboi does as well. Not rn tho because that took a long time and I don't wanna have to redo it again.

trail wind
craggy lake
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ye mine started working after i opened the permissions on the script file

dapper mica
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people should do fun stuff with the UI

daring sluice
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yeah idk i think i like it

fast eagle
# wispy canopy You guys like?

Very very unfamiliar with modding but does it have to be on a separate menu screen, like is it possible for when the button is press to do an animation of the deck images flipping over and showing the tattered decks and then you can select from them. Again I know nothing so call me out of I'm being stupid lol.

dapper mica
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personally i think that's the best way to do it

wispy canopy
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Yeah that's what it originally was but I didn't really like that so I changed it

dapper mica
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id i just think it makes more sense in the context of TBOI which you're taking from

wispy canopy
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I mean

dapper mica
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and besides someone's a bit crabby about how you did it beforehand

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it's the same character select but with the character art changed i think that's basically a swap

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but it's your mod i don't think i should try and police it

fast eagle
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I still think it works regardless of what I'd prefer

wispy canopy
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I know that because they critiqued the same thing when it was in it's earlier stages when it did pretty much the thing you're talking about

dapper mica
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well either way they weren't very nice about it that's whta i'm focused on

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like you can have an issue with your mod being repurposed or whatever but i draw the line at being a jerk about it

wispy canopy
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Yeahhh idk "I hate it and it looks bad" isn't very helpful 😭

west hill
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I gave you specific feedback for what looks bad about it and then explained why I don't agree with the idea in principle

wispy canopy
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Do you think you would have done that if I hadn't asked you to?

west hill
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If you hadn't asked, no

dapper mica
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ok so you're just admitting that you were just fully going to leave your criticism at "it sucks i hate it" had you not been asked to elaborate

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that's not a good look

west hill
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I mean we've discussed it before

dapper mica
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that's no excuse to be rude

west hill
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I apologise if I came across as rude, that wasn't the intention

dapper mica
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well i personally appreciate the apology but im just an onlooker so i dont really have any agency in this discussion

wispy canopy
dapper mica
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wowi didn't know that! that. changes things

west hill
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also clearly not the first time it was discussed?