⚙・modding-general

[kindred swallow]

First spoilers I believe.

[grand geode]

just like

[rare shell]

no

NO

dont say it

i forbid you

[worn pumice]

pretty sure I have

[grand geode]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1205295854114570301.webp?size=48

[swift matrix]

like The Spade for instance is Wrathful but better

[grand geode]

okay i'll check with codex after i get out of bed

[cursive compass]

but i mean, the game was designed around those. it wasn't designed around mods, so they have to have more tact if they're trying to maintain vanilla balance

[rare shell]

(to be honest fusion jokers is a bit of a winmore type of mod too but we've seen so many folks suggest it and its fun and goofy)

for that first batch of fusions i tried to generally go for lesser used utility jokers and what not

[shy pivot]

yeah, ultimately fun and goofy are the forces behind most mods and that's what should be done first and foremost

[swift matrix]

I still want you to eventually release the fusion jokers as a normal joker pack where they're just higher rarity, lol

they look super fun but the fusion mechanic is not quite my thing

[cursive compass]

i feel like fusion jokers is balanced by the specific jokers you need being really hard to get (especially with mods watering down the pool) and generally not that great on their own

[grand geode]

original character is actually a downgrade from joker stencil lmaooo

[rare shell]

lyman philosophy at work

[cursive compass]

like if you want a fusion you have to hang onto a joker that's kinda dook for a while

just with the HOPES that you'll find the other

it's really cool

[shy pivot]

i wouldn't say jokers are comparable to the deluxe tarots where it'll literally just be "here you go, the tarot, but now better" whereas jokers fusions, well, it's already been said, it's more work

[swift matrix]

I just like more jokers and consumables in my toybox

ngl

[rare shell]

thats the philo behind jankjonklers

i just try to stick close to vanilla

and maybe have a silly gaff in the art or smth

balatro is just a vehicle for me to show off my pixel art

[cursive compass]

i like having more stuff too because it adds variety, i just don't want it to make my game too stupid easy

[rare shell]

true...

slay the spire effect

[shy pivot]

when people ask for vanilla + mods and people go "codex" i'm like "no, but yes, but no"

[grand geode]

lyman i kneel at your pixel art

[cursive compass]

i like codex a lot honestly i think it's a good addition to the game

[swift matrix]

I'm not much of a strategist, and every one of my best runs has been a flush run, so lol

[rare shell]

i thank autumn every day for making oddities

[shy pivot]

i like codex too, but- and this is a testament to codex- it adds a dang fair bit

i normally just label it as "if you want a great expansion, get codex"

[rigid jewel]

I personally prefer the "rule of cool" when making jokers.

[shy pivot]

it's one of the only mods that qualifies as a 'expansion' type mod imo

[cursive compass]

i never use some alchemicals ever but that's probably just because i'm a neanderthal brain "get lots of xmult with no effort" kind of person
and they kinda serve as a way to balance out other mods honestly, since they take up spots in the shop that could have been taken up by Super God Joker 1000

[kindred swallow]

Codex and Reverie have great potential for Balatro.

[swift matrix]

I like jokers to be fun to use, and don't care /too/ much about balancing, but I don't want it to be totally busted

[rare shell]

thats why i stick by my power level for them (although we changed some, buffed a good bit of them, and still adding more)

[cursive compass]

i'm super hyped for reverie

[shy pivot]

Reverie is probably my pick

[rare shell]

REVERIE

[shy pivot]

it adds shopping as a meta-game

[rare shell]

we love you dvrp

[swift matrix]

Reverie looks like it'd be faily up my alley too

[shy pivot]

also, dvrp has just done some wizard shit

like "OOPS HERE IS NEW CONSUMABLE AREA"

[cursive compass]

my only issue with codex is that sulfur and salt are leagues better than any other alchemical but i'm pretty sure that's already being addressed anyway

[rare shell]

they got changed

[cursive compass]

yea

[swift matrix]

Also, shoutout to betmma for all the voucher stuff

[rare shell]

sulfur was my original suggestion when we first made the mod

one day ill play with betmma vouchers

[shy pivot]

okay betmas vouchers is a mod i trim lmao

[swift matrix]

and to everyone for their jokers, god save me if I can remember where any come from, lol. I have almost 500 now

[rare shell]

if anything betmma vouchers is the reason for feder and i's project

part of it anyway

[kindred swallow]

The new Sulfer is such a great greed card and now it can combo off of other Alchemical cards, giving them more purpose. Good change.

[strong swift]

morefluff my beloved

also jankjonklers

[rare shell]

jankjonklers SUCKS

: (

[swift matrix]

pffffft

[strong swift]

ok bud

[cursive compass]

i would get betmma vouchers but... the sprites...

[swift matrix]

Morefull, jankjonklers, mika's mod, and many many more

[swift matrix]

I think they mostly fit pretty well

[rare shell]

by the way i just have to say

[swift matrix]

besides flip and the second one of it

[rare shell]

shout outs to flowey for getting ortalab a demo

[sleek granite]

mods without jokers are just a waste of time tbh

[swift matrix]

but whatever, lol

[swift matrix]

lmao

[rare shell]

im gonna be 100% with you i was not expecting an ortalab demo or release

like period

[strong swift]

remember pre steamodded joker api lmao

[swift matrix]

it looks less jank at the proper size, lol

[cursive compass]

no shade towards betmma, but like, you're scaling pixel art with linear interpolation...

[rare shell]

i always get a little when i look in a thread and it (appears) like 50 idea people just chatting away

so god speed flowey

[swift matrix]

my typing is fully jank at any size however

[shy pivot]

wrong, enhanced enhancements

[strong swift]

yeah same here. is flowey the only dev working on it?

[rare shell]

i know theres folks arting it

but coding wise i think its just flowwey

[rigid jewel]

Crimson did provide some code for the decks

[dapper helm]

ngl me either

[rigid jewel]

But yea

[swift matrix]

is the ortalab demo working? I thought someone said it wasn't for them

[strong swift]

it is

i think

[dapper helm]

as one of the 50 idea guys it was in fact 50 idea guys and no one coding

[rigid jewel]

All the code for the jokers and the two sets of vouchers that I accidentally left in the code commented out were from me.

[rare shell]

we love you though

(also im not dunking on the idea folk at all)

[dapper helm]

thank you lyman

[strong swift]

i made like the third suggestion and didn't contribute since

[rare shell]

ive just seen my fair share of "NARUTO MOD [CODERS NEEDED]" posts on the minecraft forums to get a little sus

[swift matrix]

Is there somewhere to download it and see what's currently added?

[kindred swallow]

Ortalab is the one with Jimbo right?

I like that one.

[rare shell]

https://github.com/GauntletGames-2086/Ortalab-DEMO/releases

[strong swift]

its pinned in the thread

[dapper helm]

yeah ideas are cool just someones gotta actually make it at some point

[strong swift]

i do feel like doing it for every single card and tag and whatnot in the game is a bit much though

[stone brook]

lf idea people for super auto balatro (please)

[strong swift]

i respect it but like

[tired ibex]

yeah

[rare shell]

coqui joker 🙂

[strong swift]

i remember playing that game on steam years ago. twas okay (tm)

[rigid jewel]

Ortalab would basically be like playing Balatro 2

[strong swift]

why do you have to use the moderately unsettling smile emoji

[rare shell]

is that better

[dapper helm]

🌝

[swift matrix]

:3 is all we need

[shy pivot]

you mean Legendary Jimbo? That's Bunco, iirc

[rare shell]

look at these lil fellas though!!!

[dapper helm]

^

[rare shell]

small buddies

[shy pivot]

I know because I'm basing off like the one solid joker idea i have off legendary jimbo

[rare shell]

(i am not biased because im half puerto rican )

[kindred swallow]

Aaah Gotcha

[rare shell]

wrong gif

[sleek granite]

why would i know that i just got here

[strong swift]

sorry

[rare shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1209506360987877408/1224376509502849084/Balatro_mQpZyBxAhh.gif

[grand geode]

doppelganger

[rare shell]

what did myst mean by this

[grand geode]

doppelganger

by LeaF

[strong swift]

what

[rare shell]

incomprehensible

death by sunstar

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeaxTwhY1W0

[strong swift]

unpleasant

[grand geode]

to people using debugplus how the hell do you spawn a voucher

[rare shell]

ok but this song goes hard

[dapper helm]

same way you spawn a joker

it goes in shop tho

[rare shell]

id try to make a chiptune theme of the balatro theme and mod it in but 7/4 is inherently radioactive to me

[grand geode]

okay it needed to be in shop

ty

[sleek granite]

jestie you're radioactive

[strong swift]

id remix things if i was both good at music and able to remix like anything

neither are true

[shy pivot]

"I'd remix things if I can remix things"

[cursive compass]

completely unrelated to anything but i thought about it for a second and i think im gonna go ahead and try to get a release of balatrotale out that doesn't require jokicide

[shy pivot]

which tbf, true

[cursive compass]

jokicide is gonna be more work than i expected so i figure i should probably like. get a version of balatrotale Out even if it doesn't end up beign the final one

[strong swift]

yeah. i actually don't know even where to start

[shy pivot]

add more bass, call yourself a dj

[dapper helm]

slow it and add reverb

[cursive compass]

i think i might go for like, 15 jokers and 5 oddities? that's honestly already a decent amount

it needs commons badly though everything so far is uncommon+

[grand geode]

oh

monster acts wonky with negatives

[fickle elbow]

How does everyone feel about these blinds?

[dapper helm]

last 2 are cursed

[grand geode]

though i could've sworn perkeo negatives worked

hm

[grand geode]

among us

[fickle elbow]

Only the last two? :]

[dapper helm]

yeah

[shy pivot]

speed up 150%, call it nightcore

[dapper helm]

so true

[cursive compass]

it feels like i remember checking in the code and there was something about negative consumables having a negative_consumable something or other that was different from regular negative

[grand geode]

oh god

it breaks

oh it's probably because of the 1.0.1e patch

[dapper helm]

but that wouldn't be a joke if i said that -w-

[grand geode]

hm

[fickle elbow]

5 of those blinds break normal blinds rules

[shy pivot]

we were joking?

[grand geode]

150% is only double time in osu terms

[dapper helm]

including the last 2?

[shy pivot]

new joker idea: mult given only if turns are played on beat

[fickle elbow]

yes

[dapper helm]

ok yeah i see which 5 i would've been confused if there were 2 more i didn't see breaking rules

[fickle elbow]

I already break color rules, so I figured "why not."

[dapper helm]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1224728153310887956 i use these normally

[strong swift]

the only person who can do that and be cool is oneohtrix point never

[dapper helm]

never heard of them

[strong swift]

yeah i know

[grand geode]

i'll push a hotfix to The Monster in a second

the fix was literally to put it in an event func

nothing else

[dapper helm]

hey anyone here know how (or if you can) make a triangle at this angle as super tiny pixel art? feels impossible so i'll prob just change the angle

[grand geode]

@ lyman

[dapper helm]

i was gonna ask but i thought "i should just google it" and failed to find anything useful

@rare shell is this a lost cause or am i dumb?

[grand geode]

#1211272354676613221 message
ya

[dapper helm]

the usable space inside the star for these 6 triangles is 26x20 give or take 1 on each side

[worn pumice]

cursed font for code

[grand geode]

thank you

this font absolutely hurts my eyes but worth

[rare shell]

hi

how small we talking

[dapper helm]

is this good enough for yk how unimportant it is?

[fickle elbow]

hey what are these 3 rocks names?

[dapper helm]

26x20 usable space give or take 1 on each side

[rare shell]

quick doodle

(srry was playing fallout)

[fickle elbow]

mood

[rare shell]

dogmeat :)

[dapper helm]

gamer get back to gaming i think i've decided to just settle with this

sorry for disturbing your fallout time

[rare shell]

please always ping me with questions

its ok i welcome it

someone in this group has to be the pinged

[dapper helm]

will do captain 🫡

[strong swift]

@rare shell help steamodded is flagging as a virus

[rare shell]

delete system32

[fickle elbow]

Big Gaming time😎

[rare shell]

worm?

[dapper helm]

my steam library is pretty small

[grand geode]

help how install codex arcana

[rare shell]

how do i show that

[grand geode]

lyman

[rare shell]

yes

[grand geode]

what the fuck

[rare shell]

(i used to get a lot of indie game bundles back in the day)

[dapper helm]

i'm more curious about everything other than the games

[kindred swallow]

Fallout themed mod jumpscare.

[dapper helm]

229 tools?

[dapper helm]

what does steam consider a tool?

[rare shell]

well tbh you'd probably have a similar amount of tools

[kindred swallow]

it didn't link the picture

[rare shell]

its stuff like video game server software

even for stuff you dont own

so thats actually Not that special

[dapper helm]

ohhh i see

i only have 109

[rare shell]

software is more like

hotline miami 2 jumpscare

[grand geode]

do you have aseprite running 24/7

[dapper helm]

gotta get those hours up

[rare shell]

more or less

like i said the ui elements are quite literally burned into my monitor

[dapper helm]

so this is what it takes to be a professional pixel artist....

[rare shell]

yeaaaah buddy

2k+ games and i replay the same 5 games over the course of a year

[cunning silo]

goood mroning!

[rare shell]

gm fed

[fickle elbow]

real

[rare shell]

feder i got hired

[dapper helm]

good morning feder

[rare shell]

i have work in 10 hours

[cunning silo]

AAAAAAAAAAAAA

[rare shell]

[cunning silo]

CONGRATS!!!

[rare shell]

factorio time

[shy pivot]

.... wait, should

you sleep or

[rare shell]

i have clinical insomnia

ill fall asleep in like an hour or 2

[shy pivot]

carry on then

[kindred swallow]

Balatro modder moment

[strong swift]

congrats!

[rare shell]

i worked 2+ years exclusively night shift (10pm-6am)

[fickle elbow]

FACT

[dapper helm]

i have big dumb disease where i forget to sleep even though i have the ability to easily

[rare shell]

true!

so true

[strong swift]

i have big dumb disease

[rare shell]

i could probably sit in bed rn and probably fall asleep but

preston just told me another settlement needs help

[dapper helm]

they need you

[fickle elbow]

burn it to the ground, and tell him you did all that you could

[shy pivot]

i have big dumb

[cursive compass]

does anyone know exactly how the negative shader changes the colors

i have a joker that spawns in a very specific circumstance and will always be negative so i kinda wanna design its art so it looks normal with the shader

i know it's probably some sort of inversion hue shift combo

[rare shell]

the main snippet i could find

    if (negative.g > 0.0 || negative.g < 0.0) {
        SAT.b = (1.-SAT.b);
    }
    SAT.r = -SAT.r+0.2;

    tex = RGB(SAT) + 0.8*vec4(79./255., 99./255.,103./255.,0.);```

[cursive compass]

sick

thats probably enough info

[sleek granite]

WOOOO

[cursive compass]

it was not, in fact, enough info

why does nothing happen to the green channel

i tried going through each step on my own and it left me with more questions than answers

[simple galleon]

im so glad i figured out some modding, (very light modding), because it let me take my personal best run after I lost and see what would have happened if i got one more shop

on a second dummy profile

[cunning silo]

Is tehre a joker that effects when you choose a boss blind or interact with boss blinds?

[kindred swallow]

Only interaction I can think of is just disabling them.

[fickle elbow]

you mean the if statement

[cunning silo]

that's what I was looking for XD

wanted to check if a blind is a boss blind

[fickle elbow]

yea used it in my win blind joker so you cant use it on boss blinds

[cunning silo]

what joker?

[fickle elbow]

forgot to update the does not work on boss blinds on website :/

[rigid jewel]

Pretty simple

Game has a native function to check for what the blind is

[cunning silo]

does this count both normal bosses and showdowns?

[rigid jewel]

Yes

I think

[fickle elbow]

it should count every 3rd blind, the last in an ante.

[rigid jewel]

If you want a showdown boss, you'd need to check if the blind config has showdown in it

[fast wolf]

can someone invite me to the multiplayer balatro discord pls :)

[golden oyster]

I remember there being a mod where u can make your own decks, could someone point me in the right direction of that?

for some reason i cannot find it

[fickle elbow]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1211808102999924746

[lean dune]

I gotcha

[soft isle]

Just realised you're on DnD (and discord message requests exist), could you spare that invite too?

[lean dune]

yeah sure

[proven crypt]

lightened the person in the world tarot

[lean dune]

:0

neato

[stone brook]

chatroom i cannot sleep so back to modding i go...

[kindred swallow]

You are sleeping

you're dreaming of modding

[stone brook]

ooh

[lean dune]

lmao

(embrace clodsire)

[stone brook]

true!!!

should i make detrimental enhancements for playing cards for SAP ailments or should i just use debuff

[lean dune]

debuff because it's not possible to rebuff with a different enhancement that way

[stone brook]

good point

[stone brook]

what should the quip for un-debuffing be

"Buffed!" doesnt sound right

i think "Debuff Removed!" might be too long?

[sleek granite]

Restored!

[stone brook]

oh thats perfect

[grand geode]

i used cleansed! but that's thematic to my joker

[stone brook]

this joker is a nightmare eater or something so i dont think i can go for the cleansed route

keeping that in mind for other ones though

[carmine mortar]

Yeah that’s a pose I would make if I was stopping time

[glad cairn]

can you invite me too

[lean dune]

sure thing

[proven crypt]

i should probably make a non high contrast version

tried it

[swift matrix]

They look good :3

[proven crypt]

comparison

[worn pumice]

is the piggy bank conflict resolved?

[gilded vortex]

I think card ailments are more fun

[stone brook]

i agree, but i also have no clue what the ailments would do other than "reduce mult", "reduce chips", "reduce money" etc

[gilded vortex]

I've conceptualized a few myself:

• Burning: Discards a card when played;
• Paralyzed: Debuffed until the first hand of round is played;
• Confused: Changes suits and rank each round and after each hand;
• Me First!: Always selected.

Oh, and also Blank ("no rank or suit")

Could be Frozen instead of Blank if you wanted to keep with Pokémon names

You could also have reverse paralysis that's debuffed after the first hand. Or even stronger paralysis with debuffed until final hand.

Maybe a debuff that causes cards to be drawn face-down

[warm ermine]

• Chance to lower hand size for current round when played
• Cards of the same rank and suit are debuffed for current round when played

dunno what names would suit those effects, but that popped in my head

[gilded vortex]

I think you could have an extra large card that just takes two card slots

There ought to be one that interacts with discards but I'm not sure what

[warm ermine]

• Card returns to deck when scored, once per round; 1 or 2 random cards are discarded from the deck

[sinful mist]

Lately there seems to be a bug that I can choose more than one joker in a 1 out of Joker pack. Not sure, which mode this could be. Any ideas?

[swift matrix]

does anyone know which mod might've caused this?

I think it happened after I used AnkhDX to copy lucky cat

I might've sold a joker with a hand size adding stamp from @sleek granite 's mod to be able to do it

[sleek granite]

looks normal to me

[swift matrix]

there is a gap and I only have 7 cards

[sleek granite]

i dont do anything out of the ordinary on my hand size stuff

i do it the same way vanilla handles handsize jokers

[swift matrix]

hmmm weird

here's all my mods

It might also be related to Crimson's third tier vouchers. I think I might have the hand size one

I also think I saw a similar report on Bunco's thread, but I thought they fixed it

It also might have something to do with that Virus joker, which destroys a card and turns 2 cards n your hand into a copy of it. This is the first blind after I used it (not the blind I used it in). Idk what mod adds it through

In any case I lost that blind, lol. Wasn't quite able to make it even with 3 or 4 spade flushes

Also I think this is the first time I got Lucky Cat early enough to actually use him. Never happened in vanilla gameplay yet

#1220084296346501201 message

yeah, based on this, whatever mod adds the Virus joker makes the destroyed card a ghost card

[sleek granite]

thats the real virus

[swift matrix]

looks like it's Ortalab

[swift matrix]

so, fitting

@rigid jewel

[rare shell]

gm chat

[fallow bramble]

gm Lyman

[rare shell]

first day of work today

[gilded vortex]

Hope you have a good day at work!

[fallow bramble]

Nice

[sleek granite]

my homie nil - The Joker

[fallow bramble]

Shoutout

[proven crypt]

Considering using other jokers as a basis for the colors

[rose night]

Is that a custom sticker on the bootstraps? and how do you get that?

[fallow bramble]

It's from this mod TheAutumnCircus

[rose night]

Thank you! I want to make a mod which shows the current sticker on the joker while in a game, I think looking at that mod's code is going to guide me on the right path

[lean dune]

there's already https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1234224985032097792 in case you didn't know

[rose night]

Looks like someone beat me to it

But thank you very much

[swift matrix]

500 is real

[lean dune]

:O

[fallow bramble]

Let's goooo

[swift matrix]

Pretty sure it was actually Ortalab that put me over the hump, bujt I forgot to check yesterday when I downloaded it

Here's everything I have

[boreal ibex]

ortalab has 40 jokers, so it might have

[stray vigil]

attempting to use steamodded and consistently get the mod menu not working with 'attempt to get length of field 'MODS' (a nil value)'. have tried moving the mods around everywhere i could think of and also fully removing them. happens no matter what i do

[robust carbon]

Hm, did you inject or use Lovely?

[lean dune]

sounds like a bad install of some form

[stray vigil]

injected

[lean dune]

verify game files on steam and try reinstalling using #1214591552903716954

#1217867725532041369 follow this guide^

[stray vigil]

alright, thank you

[lean dune]

np

[swift matrix]

Here's s condensed version:
Step 1: unzip steamodded into its own folder in your mods folder
Step 2: profit

(The lovely.toml file file steamodded is already in the base of the repo)

[oblique berry]

500 jokers? 👀

[lean dune]

(well you do still need version.dll)

[swift matrix]

Oh yeah, lol, but that's lovely installation not steamodded installation :p

[swift matrix]

And counting

[robust carbon]

Yeah that's what they're doin

[stray vigil]

hm well now i just get a stack overflow immediately upon launching instead

[lean dune]

you didn't do what I said, did you?

verify game files on steam

[stray vigil]

ah. missed that. downside of trying to do this on an hour of sleep. apologies

[rare shell]

Afternoon chat

[lean dune]

no worries

[lean dune]

'lo there lyman

[gilded vortex]

How was your work

[fallow bramble]

Finally reached it too

I should get some deck mods too

[swift matrix]

I actually played a molded deck due the first time today, despite having all those inatalled

It happened to be yours

I got chips mult and the one that upgrades hands without face cards as my eternals

[fallow bramble]

Yea that deck is just if you want to play with some SDM_0's Stuff jokers

[swift matrix]

Was still fun

Didn't end up using chips multiple in that run at all tbh. I did get scared face from Ortalab (I think) which played well with the other one

[rare shell]

Lunch break rn

We got free food

[exotic knot]

What's a thing that seems easy to mod into the game but is impossible/really difficult

[dapper helm]

gm i woke up in the middle of the day

[dapper helm]

enhancements it would seem

[exotic knot]

Like neg, pol, foil?

[orchid vault]

those are editions

[dapper helm]

prob easy to mod in improperly like jellymod but that makes it super incompatible afaik

[fallow bramble]

Gm Coro

[orchid vault]

enhancements are like wild, steel, gold

[dapper helm]

stone, wild, bonus

[exotic knot]

Aaah

Why is that?

[dapper helm]

i don't know but the enhancement api seems to have taken the most effort out of all of them and its still not perfect

[swift matrix]

I've been using the rainbow enhancement that Gold's cards adds through enhanceapi and or seems to work properly more or less

[dapper helm]

yeah thats 1 of 2 enhancements currently

[grand geode]

animated jokers cough @ autumn

[exotic knot]

Does that make it hard to create legendary jokers using the standard format?

[dapper helm]

legendaries aren't really animated

theres a background layer and a foreground layer

[exotic knot]

So it's not really animation, just an "off" cycle?

[dapper helm]

i guess kinda

[exotic knot]

Is the standard animation for cards floating changeable?

[dapper helm]

wdym?

[lean dune]

it's different for hologram iirc, so should be

[exotic knot]

Y'know, the movement every card does while it's sitting there

[dapper helm]

i think you can change the intensity easily so you might also be able to change the movement pattern?

yeah looks like it

[lean dune]

you can give it your own shader, which means you can make it do whatever

[exotic knot]

Interesting

[dim marsh]

can i unlock achievements with modded balatro

[grand geode]

#1210290099036885042

[fallow bramble]

It was so funny to get a bit of everything

[gilded vortex]

Like this? #💻・modding-dev message

[lean dune]

yep

[dapper helm]

whats with that bloodstone?

[dapper helm]

i see, good

i was afraid someone already made greyscale edition which is being planned for ortalab

[dim marsh]

it didn't work

[half crescent]

i wonder how many people are kind of excited about possibly having to rewrite api stuff because they remembered something that nagged them

[wild dawn]

Did anyone else's mods get futzed with the update?

[dim marsh]

the Achievement Enabler mod didnt work for me

[grand geode]

can you show your mod folder

[wild dawn]

like mods aren't showing up at all when I boot up balatro

[grand geode]

oh yeah new update right

reinstall

[lavish jackal]

yep

also hii

[grand geode]

(preferrably using Lovely so it won't get wiped every update)

[wild dawn]

which part

[grand geode]

reinstall Steamodded

[wild dawn]

grazie

[grand geode]

hi akai

[grand geode]

try putting the lua file outside, maybe it's too deep

[dim marsh]

All 3 of them?

[grand geode]

wuh

there should only be one lua file

[dim marsh]

I thought that you mean that I should put myst, seed and ultimate outside

I should only put the Lua file in then?

[grand geode]

i meant putting AchievementsEnabler.lua outside of its folder, same place as the three files already are

[dim marsh]

done

[grand geode]

does that work

[dim marsh]

i need to reach ante 4 to test if it worked

[stable rivet]

Hey all. Is Steammodded basically the standard for adding mods nowadays? Want to look into creating a fun one but wondering if we've standardized them yey

[dim marsh]

Still didn't work

[lean dune]

balamod does also exist but is in use quite a bit less than steamodded is

though it shall be noted that a major update of steamodded is nearing completion with breaking changes, and mods will have to adapt to it, given some of the standards initially set for the project were unmaintainable and caused lots of boilerplate code

[stable rivet]

Definitely noted thanks!

[fallow bramble]

What will we have to change?

[lean dune]

APIs are being standardized to take a single table as parameter

SMODS.Joker{
  key = 'a',
  name = 'a',
  ...
}:register()

[rigid jewel]

I had no idea that you can call register after setting the object

Also give me one minute I forgot to make the Sticker API also take a table

[fallow bramble]

Oboi I can already see all the refactoring

[gleaming talon]

Um, is it me or is Steamodded no longer working with lovely injector ?

[rigid jewel]

ok done

Note that it's probably not done the exact manner the rest of the API is done

[lean dune]

you didn't need to do that, converting them APIs to the new format is fairly simple

most of the work has been turning things into lovely patches

[lean dune]

Update lovely

[umbral pilot]

I refuse

[rigid jewel]

Makes me wonder if lovely should let several .toml files to be loaded instead of only one so we don't have to work through a single massive file.

Although I have no idea if there's a limitation stopping that

[lean dune]

uh I mostly just use comments

[gleaming talon]

it just works thx

[lean dune]

### to delimit patches for a certain functionality, # to take note of the function being patched

lmao I forgot discord has markdown for a second there

[rigid jewel]

xdd

[lean dune]

xP

[umbral pilot]

you can have multiple patches if you stick them in the lovely subdir

like Mod/lovely/*.toml

[rigid jewel]

Ok yay, good to know

[lean dune]

hm yeah I might split things up then

though the file length isn't that ridiculous

the old blind API file is more massive by itself lmao

[rigid jewel]

I'm mostly thinking of Ortalab than Steamodded

[lean dune]

ah that makes sense

[dapper helm]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-gif-23143840

[lean dune]

I mean that does give me more time before I can even consider releasing 1.0 (I'm not releasing off beta lovely)

(don't feel pressured tho)

[ionic hearth]

How do I look at balatro's code, since it can be modded? I saw someone posted pictures of it before, and I wanna see a few things

[fallow bramble]

Take your time, don't need a rushed project

[fallow bramble]

Holy heck Prowl hi

[ionic hearth]

lol

[fallow bramble]

You can extract the exe in the steamapps

[ionic hearth]

👍

[spring fiber]

How do i remove a discard? I'm able to do d_size = 1 and that works fine but d_size = -1 doesn't work

[fallow bramble]

Is it for a deck?

[spring fiber]

No, a joker

[fallow bramble]

Is it constant like Drunkard or on setting blind?

[spring fiber]

Drunkard

im trying smth rn

Didn’t work

[fallow bramble]

d_size is used only to add discard

[spring fiber]

Then why does h_size = -1 work?

[fallow bramble]

Cuz h_size only checks if it's different than 0

[spring fiber]

Oh

[fallow bramble]

If you know how to use ref functions try something like this

local add_to_deckref = Card.add_to_deck
function Card.add_to_deck(self, from_debuff)
    if not self.added_to_deck then
        if self.ability.name == 'Your Joker Name' then
            ease_discard(-1)
        end
    end
    add_to_deckref(self, from_debuff)
end

local remove_from_deckref = Card.remove_from_deck
function Card.remove_from_deck(self, from_debuff)
    if self.added_to_deck then
        if self.ability.name == 'Your Joker Name' then
            ease_discard(1)
        end
    end
    remove_from_deckref(self, from_debuff)
end

[spring fiber]

Ok I’ll try that thank you

[ionic hearth]

I give up, found a couple things but its tough looking through all this for rates

[fallow bramble]

You're looking for poll rates?

[white scarab]

Oh yeah, I made a doc for rates

Forgot to post it

[ionic hearth]

Was trying to find all the rates for the shop, yeah. I know joker rarity rate, but thats about it

[white scarab]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GvyAtXB-ptrkRXhIxVQAWV9vhgumvx9YyVfjH5hFXb0/edit

[magic sandal]

now we need to figure out what wheel and aura will hit in analyzer

[white scarab]

“The type of item that spawns is chosen based on a weighted average.
By default, Jokers have a weight of 20 while Tarots and Planets have a weight of 4.
With Tarot/Planet Merchant, this weight increases to 9.6.
With Tarot/Planet Tycoon, this weight increases to 32.
On Ghost Deck, the weight for Spectrals is 2.
With Magic Trick, the weight for playing cards is 4.”
This part is probably what you want

[white scarab]

That’s the kind of thing that will work well in GUI

[magic sandal]

idk but theres also random spectrals like the suit changer

and the rank changer

[white scarab]

Instead of making the text file, you can just hover over or search for Wheel of Fortune and it can display a diagram

WoF odds are in Immolate though I believe

[magic sandal]

like what will come out of wheel?

not in the analysis's ive done

[ionic hearth]

Thanks, that helps. Better idea of what I'm gonna get now

[white scarab]

Not in the analyzer but in Immolate’s code

Those don’t make as much sense to be put directly in the analyzer because of how easily tarots can be duped

[fallow bramble]

Fibonacci deck win, was a really fun combo

[magic sandal]

i think atleast to me its more like if i know wheel number 5 or 7 has poly ill just use that one

the natural wheels in shop

[white scarab]

Ah

The issue with that is it’s fully dependent on how deep you search for natural wheels since it’s not ante-based

I could probably add consumable analysis like the “Perkeo” filter to The Soul though

[dapper helm]

i appreciate the ortalab gaming

[fallow bramble]

Really makes toak build insane

[fair geyser]

The game has updated and my mods are no longer working, is this normal? Just download steammodded again?

[knotty fable]

Patch it again

Steam removes the patch

[dapper helm]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217867725532041369 this is the better way of installing steamodded but yes injecting again also works

better, easier, more convenient etc.

gonna be built in next steamodded patch as the only method

[languid isle]

Can someone reccomend me some good mods with steammodded?

[fallow bramble]

Tried to do a "Jank Jonklers" jokers only run and lost at the final boss 😔

[dapper helm]

vv moment

[fair geyser]

Thanks

[spice wadi]

Oh shit there's a patch today

Does this break every mod?

[wary moth]

doesnt seem like it

breaks high constrast cards though

[lean dune]

no, but an upcoming steamodded update will

[gilded vortex]

*menacing sound effect*

[wary moth]

is there a mod that fixes them?

[keen widget]

I'm interested in modding Balatro (I wanna add more tags), how do y'all recommend starting/learning about modding

[gilded vortex]

read mods

but to get started modding install Steamodded with lovely (or Balamod, but Steamodded is more popular)

[keen widget]

k

[keen widget]

bruh i can't find any mods that add tags 😭

[wary moth]

codex arcanum adds 1

ortalab is planned to add 24 i dont think the demo does

reverie doesnt add any (?) but does add the ability to buy them in shops and in tag packs (unreleased)

definitely an extremely unexplored design space though, maybe there just isnt an api for it yet?

[lavish jackal]

balatrostuck will have tags once tagapi drops

5381 can I get your opinion on 4 jokers

[wary moth]

sure

[lavish jackal]

are they good

[wary moth]

all of them (except courtyard droll, unless theres stone synergy in your mod) appear uncommon in relation to basegame jokers
i like all of their effects (except courtyard droll, unless theres stone synergy in your mod)

[lavish jackal]

so the way CD works is

1. You play a Flush with Clubs
2. It turns all cards to Stone
3. It scores all Stone cards, but keeps the scoring hand as Flush
4. You get base Flush value + 250 Chips

the effects happen before scoring except for Jack Noir

Jack Noir's effect triggers after scoring

[wary moth]

yea

[lavish jackal]

So I'd argue it's a pretty decent Common

• Vampire value

[dapper helm]

theres stone synergy in quite a few other mods too

mult, retriggers, the ability to play more than 5

[wary moth]

yeah itd be really good with pebbler

[lavish jackal]

btw the wording is very specific because this works:

[wary moth]

def the weakest of the 4 though, which i almost feel is intentional yet again

[lavish jackal]

if you play any Flush + a wildcard these 4 will proc

it makes Lovers very good and fun

same with Four Fingers, same with Smeared

[wary moth]

"contains a flush with suits" implies that the flush is entirely comprised of a specific suit, i would recommend "contains suits and a flush" instead, which is also the same way superposition is worded

[lavish jackal]

fair

[gilded vortex]

Uncommon vanilla versus modded common

[lavish jackal]

Balatrostuck is just built different

[dapper helm]

balatrostuck* common frfr

[wary moth]

yeah thats why i specified basegame

[lavish jackal]

another fun Balatrostuck common

[gilded vortex]

I think “contains Flush with Suit” is clear but also I’m comparing with the original wording “contains Suit Flush”

[lavish jackal]

it has a 1 in 1000 chance to destroy all your jokers

at the end of round

[rare shell]

ok i am finally home

[lavish jackal]

that part will be written down in white ink

[dapper helm]

cd is effectively a +200 chips joker and its not that good for balatrostuck standards, and thats why balatrostuck is so good

[lavish jackal]

with only the probability being in green

[gilded vortex]

Roll to destroy all your Jokers Lyman

[gilded vortex]

Genius

[dapper helm]

{C:white}...

[wary moth]

"contains flush with suits" -> "an order of burger with fries"
"contains suits and a flush" -> "an order of fries and a burger"
ok i readily admit this was meant to be an analogy in my favor but hey i wrote it so why not send it anyway lol

[gilded vortex]

Also the Lucky 8r8k synergy

[grand geode]

it's funny because someone did this already in the early days

in the form of "Deck Seer"

gm chat

[gilded vortex]

Good morning myst

[lavish jackal]

the Doc Scratch joker having white text is hilarious I think

[gilded vortex]

Deck Seer where?

[wary moth]

real

[dapper helm]

lmaooo

gm myst

[lavish jackal]

tbf the clues are there

[grand geode]

#1209506514763522108

[lavish jackal]

1 in 1000 is not a good sign

[wary moth]

i mean thats cavendish maybe some people will think its just that

[lavish jackal]

also this is exactly why Balatrostuck is not getting an .io page

[gilded vortex]

I think I’d prefer if the probability were in the middle. Besides making the text more balanced, I think it emphasizes that something is going on

[dapper helm]

binding of isaac ass mod

[gilded vortex]

Is that a link to a specific mod or to the channel?

[dapper helm]

channel

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1210892636202729513 my discord crashed clicking on this

[gilded vortex]

Oh, I see. I thought “Deck Seer” was a Joker name, not a mod name

[gilded vortex]

So flavorful

[lavish jackal]

it triggers at end of round so no

cavendish rules

[gilded vortex]

I’m trying to think how to reword it just to have the probability more centered

[lavish jackal]

i did it already

[wary moth]

reeal

[gilded vortex]

She has deleted the GIF

[rare shell]

ooo

[strong swift]

https://tenor.com/view/dam-damn-gif-27530020

[gilded vortex]

I think I know that last one

Hard to tell

[lavish jackal]

me when i pick the seemingly free joker that tells me 3 next cards in my draw pile

[gilded vortex]

Draw*

[grand geode]

i've never popped cavvy in my life i should be fineeee

[fickle elbow]

dam

[lavish jackal]

you're right. it should be 1 in 100

[gilded vortex]

Cavvy?

[grand geode]

dam

[lavish jackal]

cavendish

[rare shell]

jim cavvy

[sleek granite]

it kinda bugs me that jack isnt called ||Sovereign Slayer|| here

[dapper helm]

gonna dupe it 4 times so it can tell me my next 3 cards 5 times

[gilded vortex]

1 in 413?

[lavish jackal]

thats his title?

doing that NOW

[gilded vortex]

They had multiple titles

[strong swift]

(it's about to pull a cavendish moment)

[gilded vortex]

I think Spades Slick changes to Sovereign Slayer after slaying a sovereign

But the acronym is mostly the same

[lavish jackal]

its about to cavendish all your jokers into oblivion

[rare shell]

jack's had a lot of titles

[lavish jackal]

but i agree that its better

for theming

[rare shell]

i agree but its a lil weird that its not like

SovereignSlayer!Slick

like its JackNoir!Slick

(i know theyre the same)

[gilded vortex]

I think he also goes by Scurrilous Straggler

[sleek granite]

jack is called Sovereign Slayer after taking the black queen's ring

but like literally only twice or smth

its the part im at lol

[lavish jackal]

mmm it even fits better with the text

[rare shell]

ok that slaps

chat is SS just really mad or is the way he acts in the comic a result of The Glitch

[sleek granite]

thats my cue to leave before i get even more spoiled

[wild thunder]

step 1: flip a coin to pick whether to use balamod or steamodded
step 2: install that modloader and every mod made with it

[rare shell]

i forgor

[lavish jackal]

steamodded > balamod

[rare shell]

fortunately its not a spoiler

if you dont think about it too hard

i am just relaying my wifes thoughts

[dapper helm]

i'm gonna think about it really really hard

[strong swift]

i have no plans to read it regardless. i can be here

[gilded vortex]

Across sessions ||Slick usually plots against the royals, which includes helping the trolls in their session (which is why Karkat feels betrayed when attacked by Noir)||

[lavish jackal]

also lyman did you notice that none of these guys have a consistent theme except for a vaguely same portrayal

[wild thunder]

anyone have any objections to step 2?

[wary moth]

yes

jellymod

[wild thunder]

ok

[rare shell]

this is correct but my question is ||are the things that drive SS like him, as a character, driven, or is it motivated by the fact that he embodies a literal glitch||

[lavish jackal]

• DD doesn't have jester attire
• CD's hat goes offcard
• SS's outline is red, not in the color of Spades
• HB doesn't have any deviations whatsoever making him an outlier by metastandards

[gilded vortex]

“are the things that drive […] him […] driven”?

[rare shell]

||are his motivations character driven or are they driven by sburb code being fucked||

its a bit of an odd question admittedly im not sure how to phrase it

[lavish jackal]

It's a mix of both

[gilded vortex]

||again I think it’s both. His natural inclinations as a recurring game construct are exacerbated by the errors||

[rare shell]

that is a satisfactory answer

[gilded vortex]

I think it fits his role as ||cancer|| well. A naturally occurring behavior taken to an unnatural extreme

[lavish jackal]

|| Jack's hateful/spiteful sentiment is present across universes, but the Trolls' fuckup when creating the universe kind of took that sentiment from anti-monarchy and anti-authoritarian to basically anti-life itself ||

[strong swift]

lyman there isnt a starboard here

[gilded vortex]

We’ll make our own starboard

[dapper helm]

for that message its going on the starboard

[gilded vortex]

With Blackboard and the Hook

[lavish jackal]

|| Although in the end, all 3 Jacks descend into villainy - Spades Slick becomes consumed by his quest to kill Lord English and his peons, Jack Noir of B1 becomes Bec Noir and causes majority of the shitty events that cause B2, and B2 Jack gets possessed by Lil Cal's demonic gaze and takes on LE's mantle to some extent ||

[gilded vortex]

I’m proud of that joke

[rare shell]

||billious slick my beloved...||

[gilded vortex]

I remember when people were discussing what to call ||B2 Jack||. I remember ||Union Jack|| was common

[lavish jackal]

|| I think what's important to remember is that in every instance, Jack is a character with the makings of an antihero, the character of an antihero, who's ultimately so absorbed by his hatred that he just becomes a villain ||

[rare shell]

i love him so much

[stone brook]

chat lookin' [redacted]

[lavish jackal]

Homestuck spoilers and Autumn is just in the middle of reading it

[stone brook]

oh yea i understand why

it just looks funny

[fallow bramble]

Modding chat once again ruled by homestuck "people" 😔

[gilded vortex]

SCP Foundation looking chat

[lavish jackal]

|| I think my favorite part of Homestuck is how Lord English is effectively the amalgamation of the most toxic, manipulative and psychotic characters in the entire comic ||

[dapper helm]

"modding" chat once again "ruled" by "homosuck" people 😔

[vernal fulcrum]

question

has steammodded been updated to 101f yet?

or is there an eta on when it will?

[rare shell]

||its really awesome and it makes me really sad the ending was the way it was||

it works with 1.01f

just update lovely

[vernal fulcrum]

thanks

0.98 still works with 101f?

[lavish jackal]

|| What's even more ironic is that the creation of Lord English is directly caused by characters going back into the canon to prevent his creation and reign ||

[dapper helm]

yeah

[fallow bramble]

Btw Lyman dunno if you saw but I tried to do a "Modded Only" with your jokers alone, Got vv'd 😔 #⚙・modding-general message

[vernal fulcrum]

ok

[lavish jackal]

|| I love how like, as the characters in the comic grow more aware of the presence and damage that Lord English causes and the closer they get to that final standoff against him, the more pieces they actually put in place to cause him to exist in the first place ||

[vernal fulcrum]

how do i update that

[lavish jackal]

do you have Lovely to begin with

[vernal fulcrum]

idk

[dapper helm]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217867725532041369

[lavish jackal]

^

Use that and let us return to important topics like Homestuck spoilers

but yeah Lyman do you feel me on that

the cosmic irony of it all

lyman left me here

[vernal fulcrum]

i used that and its not working :(

[dapper helm]

in what way?

[vernal fulcrum]

i have them installed according to the guide and its not working

i dont know what to do

[dapper helm]

that looks correct? i actually don't know what the issue is. you're on windows yeah? idk what linux looks like really

[vernal fulcrum]

yes

windows

[swift matrix]

Did you reverify the game files?

[vernal fulcrum]

before or after installing

[swift matrix]

Doesn't actually matter in this case I don't think. Lovely injects at runtime

[lavish jackal]

my best guess is

you've put it in the wrong folder

did you rightclick the steam app

and go to local files

[vernal fulcrum]

yes

[swift matrix]

Those are definitely the right folders

Unless they have multiple steam game locations ig

[vernal fulcrum]

sort of

i have a k drive with steam

but balatro is all on c

[lavish jackal]

do you have a folder called compatdata by any chance

in your steamapps directory

[vernal fulcrum]

let me check

[swift matrix]

I thought that was a linux thing

[robust carbon]

Why would he, he's not on Linux

[vernal fulcrum]

no

[lavish jackal]

you never know

[swift matrix]

Fair enough, lol

Maybe once ReactOS had steam support we'll see that

In 2097

Lmao

[vernal fulcrum]

so can anyone help?

[swift matrix]

I would of I actually knew anything about this stuff

[vernal fulcrum]

fair

[swift matrix]

Maybe try putting the whole unzipped steamodded repo in that folder. That's how I did mine

[vernal fulcrum]

ill try

didnt work :(

[stone brook]

try launching through the balatro.exe instead of steam

[rare shell]

sorry ended up spoutin off about homestuck with the wife mutually

yappin even

[lavish jackal]

lyman did you see the new aspect bgs yokcos made

they slap SO HARD

[robust carbon]

SLAPPIN

[rare shell]

POG

[sleek granite]

thac github will be privated for the foreseeable future
just an fyi

[elder garnet]

So, just getting in to the modded side of Balatro - any recommendations on good mods to start with to spice things up?

[rare shell]

oh thats

[orchid vault]

try out jellymod

[rare shell]

darn

[orchid vault]

it’s got a bit of everything

[rare shell]

i hope everythings alright autumn

[stone brook]

jellymod...

[sleek granite]

tired of getting the same bug reports ad nauseum when ive already said im not updating until smods 1.0

[lavish jackal]

yeah thats entirely fair

[rare shell]

:\

fair ig

[sleek granite]

not like my mod brings anything of interest or value to the game

[rare shell]

please dont say things like this

[sleek granite]

ppl want to disable half or more of it anyway

[lavish jackal]

people are stupid

thats a universal constant

[strong swift]

lies

[lavish jackal]

people are stupid

[rare shell]

i mean ppl will always want configs

[sleek granite]

im sorry for wasting your time lyman

[rare shell]

you did nothing that warrants an apology autumn, its perfectly okay

we will sit in the smods waiting room together

[lavish jackal]

^^^^^

Autumn left again :(

Hope it'll be fine

[rare shell]

hhh

im going for a walk

[lavish jackal]

Lyman can I show you a reaction image I will use whenever someone submits a bug report to Balatrostuck

[rare shell]

sure

itll be a second until i respond

way too compressed rn

[elder garnet]

Looks like its currently out of date per the thread

[lavish jackal]

@rare shell did autumn's emote server disappear from your server list too

[stone brook]

hope autumns ok...

[stone brook]

jellymod is hella incompatible with modern mods so usually its not recommended

[lavish jackal]

jellymod is like hell on earth

also me whenever someone submits a balatrostuck bug/QoL report

https://tenor.com/view/what-now-gif-5040655

[mental oar]

is steamodded_injector.exe supposed to for some reason say it has malware?

[lavish jackal]

yes, because it is malware

it will steal your bitcoin

[mental oar]

W honestly

[lavish jackal]

steamodded was developed by John Steamo in 1986 to destroy "personal computers"

in all seriousness though

It's because Steamodded classic injector performs well, code injection

Code injection is usually an obfuscated process which triggers a lot of antivirus software

[mental oar]

makes sense, computer sees injection and thinks it's the lethal kinda

[lavish jackal]

Steamodded injection is fully open source

But that doesn't matter to your Windows

This is why I'm on Linux

and use Lovely

Microsoft has got to be kidding with the "AI compatibility" watermark

[rare shell]

yes

im a little stressed right now but itll be fine

i just wish autumn the best

[strong swift]

yeah i really do hope she's okay

[grand geode]

oh no did something happen to autumn again :(

[kindred swallow]

😦

[strong swift]

privated autumncircus, left server, deleted (?) emoji server

oh no i'm going to hell

[dapper helm]

hope shes doing well

[mental oar]

why is injector closing seconds after I click it. man

[grand geode]

likely irl matters or just hyperstress

:(

[stone brook]

because youre not supposed to click it

yea hope everything ends up okay for them

[strong swift]

yeah same here. idk why they have such a negative opinion about their stuff

[mental oar]

ok so I did the order wrong ig. I'll try the reverse of what I did

and it works, ty

[rigid jewel]

I love doing modded joker runs with my mods because they'll end up with half of the jokers just being the normal joker sprite.

[mental oar]

the natural inbetween where you have a lot of placeholders

truly a modded moment

[rigid jewel]

Also DAMN the poly shader goes so hard on Royal Gala

[lavish jackal]

I think it has to be said

Modders don't owe anyone shit

[rigid jewel]

Also:

[lavish jackal]

Players aren't owed a mod update, or a bugfix or anything else for that matter, everything like that is a courtesy of the modder, and treating it like you're meant to get it should be criticized

[rare shell]

im a lil frustrated around this topic im ngl

[lavish jackal]

Yeah that's understandable

[strong swift]

yeah this is why i feel really irrationally guilty about bug reports a lot of the time

[rare shell]

ive tried writing several messages but ive removed them because i dont want to excaberate the situation

[lavish jackal]

There's a certain etiquette to bug reports and things of that nature

[rare shell]

please do not refrain from giving bug reports, theyre still helpful, if you feel guilty, just try to double check the problem hasnt been reported before hand and be as thorough as possible

i do not want anyone to take away "i shouldnt make bug reports" from this

[lavish jackal]

There's a difference between going "hey mod person your thing is unplayable fix it NOW" and "Hey, while playing I've noticed that X feature isn't working properly, here's how you can reproduce this error, hope that's helpful"

That's another thing, people will post about a bug but then proceed to not give steps on how to reproduce a bug or just post a screenshot and you have to extract the knowledge out of them

[strong swift]

i'm also really overapologetic irl too so thats part of it

[lavish jackal]

I think it's entirely morally and just generally correct to not bother with a bug report if it doesn't include steps to reproduce the error

[rare shell]

i think i might take a break

[lavish jackal]

That's entirely okay Lyman

[strong swift]

yeah thats probably a good idea

[lavish jackal]

Hope you're ok

[strong swift]

dont burn yourself out that much

[rare shell]

i have a lot of feelings and i am not in a state to express them properly

[strong swift]

mood

[dapper helm]

same

[rare shell]

can't write music

cant draw

can't play bideo

[lavish jackal]

I am in a state of upset with players

[strong swift]

i should really make some more music but i just do not have the motivation and am not in the right headspace

[lavish jackal]

I'm very careful about not crossing the line between frustrated and condescending

[strong swift]

and it would suck anyway. whats the point honestly

[rare shell]

to improve

literally the point

[lavish jackal]

The point of doing anything is so that the next thing you do after it will suck less

And over time you suck less at doing what you like doing

[rare shell]

ive been writing shittunes for well over 4 years now and i rarely ever finish a single song but at least its better than the last one

[lavish jackal]

And its a good feeling to do something you like doing and not sucking at it

[strong swift]

well thats the thing
i don't believe i've improved whatsoever in the past year

[lavish jackal]

Post music from now and from a year ago

You're your own harshest critic, always remember that

[rare shell]

alright i

i think i have words

[rare shell]

not to dogpile you as a person or anything but genuine question

what is the point of saying this to yourself?

[dapper helm]

for what its worth i did enjoy your music when i listened

[rare shell]

like, i see this behavior in not just you but a lot of people here

is this like an autism thing (on my end) where this is just some social cue i just legitimately dont understand

[strong swift]

goal of anything is to improve. i have not done that

[rare shell]

i understand people are their own harshest critic but i legitimately see no intrinsic value in stating things like this (not that people need to say things that have intrinsic value or anything)

[cinder sage]

it's genuinely hard to measure one's own improvement

[kindred swallow]

I feel so bad whenever I find something about Codex and I have to tell Feder

[rare shell]

i apologize if i come off as harsh at any point i am really struggling to try to find the words to articulate what i mean

[strong swift]

no i don't blame you. i'm being annoying as fuck right now

[rare shell]

sdfjsdfjdsj!!!!

[dapper helm]

most often online i see it as genuine negative self talk

[rare shell]

please! be nice to yourself!!

i really wanted to say that earlier!!! but i dont know how!!!

to anyone that does this!!!

its just

[quasi crest]

my game is crashing when i press space bar

[rare shell]

stuff like this really makes me feel like im missing something. im not telling you this because i think you're annoying, or bad, or stupid, or stinky, or from toronto. im telling you this because its just literally insulting awesome people

like i wouldnt like it if someone was calling coro a stupid idiot, even if it is coming from themselves or something

not that i have to like it or anything, i dont want to be like the Emotion police

i just want to understand

ive been trying to write a variation of this rant for like an hour ngl

[lavish jackal]

Self-deprecation is often mistaken for humbleness in my experience

[rare shell]

like self-mistaken?

[lavish jackal]

Beating yourself up is not the same as being humble

The same way being proud of your work isnt the same as being arrogant

[rare shell]

sure i can see that being part of it. but there are just times where people will just. say the worst shit about themselves.

[lavish jackal]

But a lot of people including myself often have this perception that if you take any pride in your work you must be delusional and the only mode to acceptably talk about your work is in pejoratives

[cinder sage]

i mean when you're taught to stay quiet and not brag and whatnot it's not difficult to build bad habits that go too far

[shy pivot]

i will say were on the internet

discord aint exactly the place for nuanced talk

but being aware of your own potential shortcomings is really, really good

[rare shell]

platform has no bearing on the people im having a discussion with tbh

[shy pivot]

oh hmm

second point still applies

[lavish jackal]

It takes time to accept that taking pride in your work isnt arrogance or selfishness or whatever, and that being happy with what you create is normal and you shouldn't punish yourself for simply making things

[shy pivot]

yes

the worst thing that could happen to a creative when interacting with a crowd is ending up losing your passion to create

[strong swift]

oh thanks lmao, tbh i don't expect anyone to listen to it. that ep was made for me by and large

[lavish jackal]

Another thing is, people often get so caught up in something that they're not seeing any progress in, that they forget about everything else, like, when I was younger I've always beaten myself up over how I could never do anatomy properly and all my characters would look wonky and stupid and I'd hate myself for never improving on such a simple thing that clearly could be accomplished with a little more dedication

But I completely forgot that "oh right I got pretty good at rendering"

"I can make thing look pretty with color and shading and composition"

You can get caught up with something that you personally wanted to see improvement with and disregard everything else you've grown in and chalk it up to just being stagnant

[dapper helm]

mental-health-chat 😨 (continue. i'm just gonna be back later cause mental health talk = too many emotions)

[strong swift]

oh sorry

[rare shell]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wall-break-rage-gif-8957717

[dapper helm]

nah no need to apologize

in fact need to not apologize, bad habit from low self-esteem

[lavish jackal]

That's right