⚙・modding-general

[lavish jackal]

what

there's 13 ranks

[astral glade]

theres 14

[lavish jackal]

how

count them

[sleek granite]

theres 30 ranks actually

[lavish jackal]

1. ace
2. 2
3. 3
4. 4
   ...
5. 10
6. Jack
7. Queen
8. King

[astral glade]

oh ace is ranked 14 in balatro

im silly maxxing

[sleek granite]

0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, Jack, Queen, King, Ace, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25

[astral glade]

its internal id is 14 i mean

[sleek granite]

i think jupitermoons being suitmatters and saturnmoons being rankmatters matches well enough with the planets tho

is a good idea i like it

[lavish jackal]

does saturn have 13 moons

[astral glade]

i think theres enough

[still totem]

a few moons

having 1 moon is cool enough on earth

imagine having 146

[lavish jackal]

thats too many

[still totem]

nah

[lavish jackal]

bad

[still totem]

more moons more fun

[lavish jackal]

just use zodiacs

zodiacs fit nicely

[astral glade]

hell no

[sleek granite]

means saturnmoons can have support for rank mods...

[lavish jackal]

then im gonna use zodiacs

[astral glade]

what are you gonna use zodiacs for

[sleek granite]

jupitermoons exceed 4 too yknow...

[lavish jackal]

rank upgrading

[astral glade]

yeah thats why i chose it

[lavish jackal]

gonna make it part of homestuck mod

[still totem]

the only reasonable solution is to make 146 ranks

[astral glade]

please dont just copy mine......

[sleek granite]

jupitermoons can support suit mods 👀

[still totem]

oh yeah, it's all coming together

[lavish jackal]

i had the idea before

lol

[sleek granite]

i think i know a way to do it where the game only loads them if the related mod is loaded

[lavish jackal]

plus is a common idea

rank upgrades

[sleek granite]

i should probably test if it works

[lavish jackal]

zodiac rank upgrades lets go

[iron onyx]

then maybe odds, evens, faces, aces?

[sleek granite]

aces are odd

[iron onyx]

doesn't stop scholar and odd todd from existing :p

but yeah

[sleek granite]

thats because scholar is literally just stronger

[iron onyx]

odds, evens, faces at least

[astral glade]

maybe 2 through 5, 6 through 10, faces, and aces?

[iron onyx]

oooh, i like that

[astral glade]

ill do the 4 biggest moons

titan, rhea, iaptus, and dione

unless theres another popular moon

[astral glade]

also if you figure this out then lmk!!! i wanna do ink & color, 6 suits, and the musical suit support

theres only one (1) issue

and that there REALLY arent any good pictures of the other moons

[lean dune]

In general, you have access to a complete list of mods inside your mod's init function

[astral glade]

findModByID?

[lean dune]

yeah

[sleek granite]

put this code in as part of my moon card

(and removed sixsuits)

[lean dune]

yeah checking for the init function works as well

technically it's more efficient since findModByID is O(n)

[sleek granite]

i wasnt sure what findModByID returns if it doesnt find the mod (or if it crashes)

heck

[lean dune]

should just return nothing

[sleek granite]

the moon doesnt load WITH sixsuits either....

oh thats not what sixsuits init func is called lmao

pog it works

@astral glade as an example case do you want this version of MoreConsumables? i could DM it to you (obvs Moon isn't going to stay dependant on SixSuits for release versions)

[astral glade]

sure

also maybe you could load a different moon if Codex Arcanum exists and maybe make it so it can spawn alchemical cards 👉👈

[sleek granite]

technically, i have Moon spawning the cards it spawns because it has ties to the themes of each

Tarot because The Moon is a tarot card, Planet because obvious, Spectral because a lot of various mysticism surrounding the moon

[astral glade]

ohhh

https://gyazo.com/928c1f368d67890a770146f17e5a3338.mp4

Spades Up!

[sleek granite]

SPADES UP

[woeful finch]

🆙

[stone brook]

SHIELDS SPADES UP

[sleek granite]

this is a good idea tho for complex compatibility solutions, to just have an alternate version of the game object load instead

[astral glade]

hell yeah

[sleek granite]

me when i put 9 jumbo celestial packs into the shop

[snow lintel]

(fair and balanced)

[astral glade]

i may or may not had forgotten that planets cant appear twice

[sleek granite]

just put all vanilla planets into your consumable slots

[astral glade]

nope they still appear

[sleek granite]

oh what

[astral glade]

https://gyazo.com/313c9beed916e360cdf166ab1ea9dc0e.mp4

anyways all the other suit moons are in game

[sleek granite]

oh weird....

i wonder if it just allows them at a certain point if too many are held

[astral glade]

maybe?

[lavish jackal]

figured out formatting with local vars

[sleek granite]

no mod badge 😔

[lavish jackal]

will add one shush

[sleek granite]

it should be automatic

[unkempt geyser]

thats so silly lol
it seems pretty terrible tho

[lavish jackal]

it loops back

[sleek granite]

it goes hard on mute

[unkempt geyser]

wdym

[rare shell]

oh it loops back?

[lavish jackal]

so once it hits 1 in 1 / 1x

it will go to 1 in 6 / 6x

[rare shell]

i thought it was like a consumable food joker and it just yeets itself out when its done

[sleek granite]

infinite sucker...

[lavish jackal]

you can't eat the sucker

its ouroborosing

[iron onyx]

yeah, food jokers typically tend to be consumed once their value runs out

[unkempt geyser]

oh also i read it wrong and thought the number kept going up

[lavish jackal]

its a reference to a homestuck thing

[iron onyx]

oh yeah

trickster mode

[sleek granite]

it should probably say on the card that it loops back then, cuz ppl will absolutely think it dies at 1 in 1 of 1x

[lavish jackal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91yZRnk3BRA

[unkempt geyser]

1/20 chance for 20 xmult
like extreme lucky cards

[iron onyx]

maybe instead of it properly looping

it destroys itself and spawns a fresh copy

[lavish jackal]

lmao yes

in that case I don't have to like

[iron onyx]

OOH

[lavish jackal]

document that on the card

[iron onyx]

ANOTHER IDEA

[lavish jackal]

it's like "noo sucker gone- wait what"

[iron onyx]

instead of it only destroying itself with its own effect

it continuously recreates itself whenever it is destroyed or sold (make its base sell value 0, obviously)

[lavish jackal]

jesus fuck

evil

awful

[sleek granite]

that just means you get to choose the edition it has tho

[lavish jackal]

its technically eternal

[iron onyx]

(who says it couldn't retain its own edition?)

[sleek granite]

fair ig

[iron onyx]

i made fused jokers retain the highest priority edition of both material cards when combined

[lean dune]

X0.1 mult, 1/20 chance for X200 mult

[lavish jackal]

oh also there's a joker that synergizes with sucker incredibly well lmao

[iron onyx]

madness and campfire are what i'm thinking already

[sleek granite]

oops all sixties

[lavish jackal]

the vriska joker

[lean dune]

nat 20 or fail, you get no in between

[lavish jackal]

all the luck

all of it

[lean dune]

my glass cards:

[lavish jackal]

my lucky cards:

my lucky cat:

my bloodstone:

[lean dune]

my star ruby from six suits:

[astral glade]

and then dusk :)

[lean dune]

gonna have to make it spawn negative spectrals at that point

[boreal ibex]

and then the new joker ive concocted (5 seconds ago i got the idea to make JJBA themed jokers)

[astral glade]

the concoction

[lavish jackal]

@lean dune what do you think of this

[iron onyx]

HOLY

[boreal ibex]

sounds fun!

[astral glade]

oh thats interesting

[lean dune]

could go pretty crazy with hiker

I like it

[iron onyx]

would be a nice joker to find late game on a hiker run

but destroyed chips can't scale with hiker

[lavish jackal]

hear me out

[lean dune]

destroying cards is also really powerful

[iron onyx]

hmmmmm

[lean dune]

now that's a little busted

[dapper helm]

nah i think it was fine before

[iron onyx]

i was thinking 1x chip value and +1 mult value for each unique rank destroyed in this way

[lavish jackal]

meh

too complex on an already complex card

[iron onyx]

so if you destroy all of 2-9 at least once, you get +8 mult

[lean dune]

could be fun but it's a little complex

[lavish jackal]

the point is just kill kill kill kill kill

also quite happy with these 2

[lean dune]

can't wait to get the card destruction of an immolate and the chip value of half a stuntman out of a single round lmao

[lavish jackal]

yes but have you considered that you must play a Straight

[lean dune]

what if a play a Straight Flush instead

[lavish jackal]

jesus fuck

[sleek granite]

speaking of card destruction effects, anyone have any feedback on my Offering card?

[lavish jackal]

hell yes

[sleek granite]

's been in moreconsumables and im curious if anyone has yeeten half their deck yet

[lean dune]

I'm never passing up on that

heck I'll do it twice, silly

[lavish jackal]

I need to make a Jade Harley adjacent joker fr

[sleek granite]

me neither but i always find myself struggling after

[lavish jackal]

I have a lot of jokers but no Jade jokers

[dapper helm]

i have, iirc it lost me the run but the run was already losing anyway

[astral glade]

i usually skip it

[lean dune]

13 cards is the perfect deck size

[astral glade]

it scares me

[dapper helm]

makes bad runs worse and good runs (high card runs) better

[boreal ibex]

question: does it remove half of your current jokers, like if you do it twice you go 52-26-13 or does it just do 26 each time?

[sleek granite]

the fact that +1 Joker Slot doesnt inherently do anything on its own and the random nature of the destruction makes it hard to just instantly take some times

half the current deck yeah

[boreal ibex]

ahh

[astral glade]

it cant go below one :(

[boreal ibex]

we need a use button emoji

[sleek granite]

lmao one card deck gang

[exotic blaze]

Anyone know if the overlay is not being maintained? I ask because I can see possible hands on the left but whatever the grid on the right is supposed to do isn't happening.

[lean dune]

it would go wild with these cryptid perkeo high score sort of runs

[dapper helm]

balatroverlay? nah its not being maintained, dev is busy

[exotic blaze]

thought i saw that in the thread

[lean dune]

just yeet 3/4 of your deck for +2 joker slots, then make a single red steel king to copy

[dapper helm]

yeah

[sleek granite]

i think im ~fine~ with it being an enabler for strong decks

[dapper helm]

i mean like half the spectrals are anyway

[astral glade]

enabler of chaos

[sleek granite]

no this is the enabler of chaos

[astral glade]

that and universe has absolutely SCREWED me over SO MANY TIMEs

[boreal ibex]

giving them each a new suit, rank, enhancement, ___, and a seal

[sleek granite]

you're welcome

edition

[woeful finch]

why is edition unreadable

[sleek granite]

because it uses the formatting editions use in the basegame

[dapper helm]

blinding light (its readable in game)

[astral glade]

cuz its not C:dark_edition

[woeful finch]

edition uses a red to blue fading gradient thing

[sleek granite]

hmmm

it uses C:edition, is that not right

[astral glade]

dark_edition!!

[sleek granite]

i thought C:dark_edition was for negative only

[astral glade]

nope

[woeful finch]

it’s for all i think

[granite silo]

I feel safer using offering instead of chance 😂

[astral glade]

check the Aura spectral card in the localization

its for all

[dapper helm]

man i need to play with moreconsumables more

[granite silo]

unless i get chance shop one than thats the stuff 😎

[astral glade]

its a wonderful supplementary mod

[dapper helm]

can't wait to use chance ante 1 on erratic deck (it changes nothing and gives me 1 blue seal)

[sleek granite]

ok chanec will be readable next updoot

[granite silo]

idk why it isnt recommended more. Fits in so well with the vanilla game and its tons of fun

[sleek granite]

because it's my mod and it's bad

[granite silo]

ive shilled it pretty hard too

nah its good

[sleek granite]

(tbf i think most people here probably have it lol)

[granite silo]

ive played countless hours of this game and can say it fits in really well

[astral glade]

the average modded player prolly doesnt check here

and relies on yt vids

[sleek granite]

you can thank Lyman for that, like 90% of that is due to the art being vanillay

[dapper helm]

i can only recommend so many mods at once and i'm already pushing the limit of what someone will actually listen to with my recommendations usually lol

[dapper helm]

also true

[sleek granite]

hopefully this changes whenever r2modman finally updates

thats like 95% of the reason i hope they hurry tf up

[granite silo]

I cant help just adding to the pile. I've spent years crafting a stable STS modlist (~130 or so mods)

[dapper helm]

😨

[sleek granite]

my laptop just died reading that

(i cant play with more than like 4 mods on sts)

(desktop handles it like a champ tho)

[dapper helm]

i mean i have that many mods saved/installed on a few games but i only have like 6 enabled at once

[granite silo]

upgraded my pcs ram to 64gbs because of silly indie game 😎

[astral glade]

so real

i have so many random silly indie games

[sleek granite]

chat i have played minecraft with 540 mods

[astral glade]

thats badass

[granite silo]

i have played skyrim with 1200 mods

[sleek granite]

(like 400 of them are literally just APIs and core mods hhhhh mc modders stop making APIs that nobody but yourself uses challenge (impossible))

[granite silo]

only 1 crash in 300 hours feelsgoodman

[sleek granite]

thats better than vanilla

[dapper helm]

i have started (and broken) ror2 with about 200 mods, but thats as far as i've gone really

[gilded trellis]

Sorry if it's already been asked/aswered, but is there a way to install mods on macos?

[granite silo]

the irony lmao

[stone brook]

my "qol + vanilla-like" mod list for rimworld is ~500 mods

[dapper helm]

why

[stone brook]

although right now its cut down to 100 because of the new update

because theres a lot of great rimworld mods :)

[sleek granite]

rim gaming

chat give me motivation to mod

[foggy crag]

It probably should affect only 1 card

[dapper helm]

heres hoping balatro is gonna reach those amounts of mods 🫡

[stone brook]

i always just take a break if i dont have motivation

[dapper helm]

no

[foggy crag]

its a free edition, enhancement and seal

[sleek granite]

no its not

it's the same odds as booster packs

[stone brook]

i think getting upgrades isnt guaranteed

[granite silo]

I will shill your mod as long as i play this game

[foggy crag]

How it works then?

[granite silo]

there you go

go gettem

[dapper helm]

its a random card

[stone brook]

works the same as booster pack generation, i'd assume

[dapper helm]

it can add or take away seals

[sleek granite]

yeah all the odds are booster pack odds

its TECHNICALLY not new cards tho

so like hiker boosts still apply

[foggy crag]

its states that it gives x, y AND z to each card, no?

[sleek granite]

and if anyone makes a way to upgrade cards that isn't an enhancement, edition, or seal, that'll stay too

"no seal" is a seal it can randomly give

[dapper helm]

^

[sleek granite]

"no edition" is an edition it can randomly give, etc

[dapper helm]

no seal base edition base enhancement

[astral glade]

ace of clubs

idk

chat whats YOUR favorite card

[sleek granite]

me when my whole hand turns into sealless no edition no enhancement 2s of mismatched suits

me when my whole hand turns into stone cards

[foggy crag]

Isn't it more easier to say:
Replace your hand with new random cards which may have a random x, y and z?

[sleek granite]

#⚙・modding-general message

[astral glade]

mine is 8 of hearts

[sleek granite]

thats technically not how it works though

[astral glade]

LMAO

[sleek granite]

cuz like i said it keeps hiker bonus

[foggy crag]

did I miss smth crucial?

[dapper helm]

maybe jack of hearts?

[sleek granite]

they aren't "new cards"

it just randomizes those properties

[dapper helm]

this gets rid of hiker buffs and increases hologram like crazy

[foggy crag]

Oh I see

[vestal crag]

Since it says contains a straight, you can play this.

[vestal crag]

Like 5 times.

[dapper helm]

holy

[sleek granite]

hell yeah, chaos

i might see if i can just make Offering rarer somehow, but im not sure if thats possible

[vestal crag]

I routinely yeet half my deck because what I lose in number of cards I get back by being able to consistently get to my good stuff.

Also the joker slot.

It's risky, but a worthy risk.

[sleek granite]

it's also riskier the more your deck is already built up with enhancements and seals and such

because if you're reliant on those to clear blinds, there's a solid chance you wind up losing all or most of them

[dapper helm]

i wish canio wasn't a legendary so synergies with it could be usable more than once every 30k runs

[vestal crag]

Even if I lose most of them, being able to reliably access the remains is very nice.

[woeful finch]

it is wasn’t a legendary than itll have to scale less:(

[dapper helm]

true but i want it to be a card that exists

[vestal crag]

A 26 card deck is guaranteed access to every card within 3 discards and 3 hands.

[foggy crag]

Also I want to say that the artist did a great job

[sleek granite]

@rare shell

[rare shell]

hi

[sleek granite]

hi you're amazing and i hope you are well

[rare shell]

https://tenor.com/view/peeking-odie-garfield-whats-that-looking-gif-19321620

[dapper helm]

hi lyman

[rare shell]

my interview went well i think

[astral glade]

hell yeah

[sleek granite]

pog

[foggy crag]

Thanks for your work, Lyman

[astral glade]

poggers, twitch chat

(british)

also Dysnomia in more consumables when

cuz its the only other moon actually on a card (Eris)

[sleek granite]

tf is dysnomia

[vestal crag]

Name of Eris' moon, I think.

[dapper helm]

that sounds like a medical condition

[sleek granite]

sounds like a mental illness (like linguistically, i dont mean this negatively)

[dapper helm]

yeah

[vestal crag]

It does.

[dapper helm]

for when you mix up names

[sleek granite]

wait yeah

[iron onyx]

...actually yeah

[sleek granite]

is that the literal meaning lol

wait thats a real word lmao

tried looking up the moon got the word

[vestal crag]

It's apparently both the name of Eris' moon, and a word for being unable to retrieve the correct word from memory.

[dapper helm]

huh

[sleek granite]

oh thats me all day lmao

im eris' moon

[dapper helm]

new server nickname

[sleek granite]

hhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHh

[foggy crag]

Phantom
Get a random Negative Perishable Joker.

[sleek granite]

wait i think i did it wrong

[foggy crag]

Boo

[sleek granite]

that'd be a spectral card right

[vestal crag]

You too?

[foggy crag]

yeah

[astral glade]

dysnomia has snom in it aka the best little bug from pokemon

[vestal crag]

SNOM!

[sleek granite]

i think id want the joker to be sale value of $0, but that's got potential

[vestal crag]

Someone should make snom into a joker.

[sleek granite]

oh, what if that's just the downside of Phantom?

[vestal crag]

make it perishable and eternal?

[sleek granite]

makes a negative perishable joker and sets your jokers sale value to $0

[foggy crag]

Could be

[dapper helm]

so true

[iron onyx]

so you're never gonna believe this

[foggy crag]

I feel like the fact that its perishable is already kind of a downside, no?

[sleek granite]

aight im gonna make new cards today instead of doing hard API stuff

[astral glade]

LMAO

[vestal crag]

ow

[sleek granite]

the fact it's perishable just makes it Less Good

it being perishable doesn't set you back from before you clicked on the card

it just makes the joker less good

[astral glade]

please at least at one (1) more planet card the fact that it doesnt fill a full page rn annoys me to no end

[iron onyx]

yeah, it being both perishable and eternal while also being negative would be balanced IMO

[sleek granite]

oh yeah if it's eternal then it locks you out of that joker without showman right?

[vestal crag]

To be fair, some spectrals have no major downsides, like the seal spectrals and sigil.

[foggy crag]

Wait, your right, spectrals usually have a negative effect as well

except seals, ig?

[sleek granite]

catra (not the name of eris's moon) makes a good point

[iron onyx]

because the main reason vanilla doesn't combine eternal and perishable is because that would essentially give you -1 joker slot in 5 rounds

[dapper helm]

why doesn't deja vu have a downside anyway?

[sleek granite]

parity with the rest of the cycle

[vestal crag]

It's worth noting that those are some of the weaker spectrals.

[iron onyx]

tbh, i feel like the seal spectrals not having a downside is fine

[sleek granite]

only affecting one card is the downside lol

[dapper helm]

i think the other ones are fine but red seal is kinda busted

[vestal crag]

Red seal probably should have a downside, yeah.

[iron onyx]

i think the problem isn't that red seal is too strong

is that the others are too weak or situational

[vestal crag]

Also, blue seal got way better in the 1.0.1 experimental build.

[dapper helm]

also true

[sleek granite]

catra i think you're experiencing dysnomia with the name of eris's moon

[dapper helm]

blue seal still doesn't feel very good

[iron onyx]

for that reason, i think each seal needs an "active" and a "passive" effect

[vestal crag]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_(moon)

[iron onyx]

something that happens when played, and something that happens when not played

red seal already has both because it retriggers steels

[sleek granite]

dysnomia has potential as a card, could be something tying in with the meaning of its name

just not sure what

[iron onyx]

blue seal could upgrade the hand it's a part of (potentially even if not scored)

[vestal crag]

Purple Seal would probably be too strong if it was useful when played.

[foggy crag]

at least it has consistency now

[astral glade]

char on

[iron onyx]

could just give itself a random enhancement

[sleek granite]

chair on

[iron onyx]

like, you play a purple seal, it gains bonus

you play it again, it gains mult

[dapper helm]

true but it feels like it just became somewhat positive instead of a worse gold card

[foggy crag]

yes!

[iron onyx]

tbh, i say this i'd like all the seals to feel as strong as red

because how do you really nerf red?

[foggy crag]

that'd be hard to pull off i feel like

[vestal crag]

Not a bad idea. I think forcing it to be scored in the hand that wins the round would be more fitting, though.

[iron onyx]

"retriggers at half score"?

[vestal crag]

Make it only activate when played.

[foggy crag]

1 in 2 chance

[dapper helm]

sounds good to me as long as death no longer copies them

[foggy crag]

to retrigger

[iron onyx]

that's why i said potentially

[vestal crag]

I'm saying that it should also have to be in the last hand played for the round.

I mean, I'm also saying the scored part.

[foggy crag]

like a Dusk in form of a seal?

[iron onyx]

see, catra

the problem with that is

[dapper helm]

nah that'd feel just as bad

[iron onyx]

if you play a blue seal card to upgrade a hand

[vestal crag]

not dusk, just the hand that reaches the blind req.

[iron onyx]

you don't have it in your hand at the end of the round

[astral glade]

charon

[dapper helm]

those 2 are talking about blue seal ideas not red seal ideas

[sleek granite]

chairon

[iron onyx]

yeah, we're kind of blending our red seal and blue seal ideas here

[foggy crag]

sry, are u talking about blue seal?

[vestal crag]

Blue, yes.

[foggy crag]

oh

[sleek granite]

looks like an olive

[iron onyx]

yeah, i'm just saying "blue cards upgrade current hand when played"

like a guaranteed astronaut

[foggy crag]

sure I agree with your take

[iron onyx]

seals should feel really powerful if you have a lot of them

no matter what color they are

[vestal crag]

I think a guaranteed astronaut is too strong.

[astral glade]

essentially is

[iron onyx]

and reds feel disproportionally powerful

[vestal crag]

That's why I want to limit the payout to only if the hand with the seals actually reaches the blind.

[foggy crag]

^^^

[iron onyx]

then why even play them

[foggy crag]

for reds

[vestal crag]

Honestly, I prefer purples over reds.

(I'm weird)

[foggy crag]

purps are a no brainer

[iron onyx]

purples are definitely strong too

[foggy crag]

I'd say purps are better early game

way better than red

[iron onyx]

but reds are the only one that can give you the "e oil," as a certain egg would say.

[vestal crag]

Reds are definitely the better endless seal, yes.

Nothing compares at that point.

[iron onyx]

i just want each seal to feel as double-sided as red does

because i think that's why red is commonly regarded as "the best"

either that or just

[foggy crag]

(Unrelated) I feel like Alchemic cards (mod) are essential for endless mode

[iron onyx]

make it only retrigger played cards

[vestal crag]

I do want some small use for Golds held in hand, and some use for Blue and Purple when scored.

[iron onyx]

@vestal crag that's why i was thinking the way i was thinking

[vestal crag]

Love this mod. The negative alch cards voucher is a little strong, thogh.

[vestal crag]

And I agree, to an extent!

[iron onyx]

every seal should feel like red, where it's useful no matter what card it's on

[vestal crag]

I disagree on the scope, mostly.

[foggy crag]

It's up to dev's pholosophy tbh

[iron onyx]

guaranteed astronauts would kinda fall off more than retriggers, TBH

[vestal crag]

Actually, while I'm on this, the Salt alch card is also rather strong.

[vestal crag]

It would be very good early, not so much late.

Nothing will beat retriggers in late.

[dapper helm]

mama lizzy's e oil

[foggy crag]

yeah, I've already wrote an essay on every single balance aspect of this mod in their channel

[lavish jackal]

oh right that's also something Lucky Break causes lol

[iron onyx]

yeah, that's to be expected

red is better than every seal eventually

[vestal crag]

Ooh, I should go take a look at that.

[iron onyx]

i just want to make sure that red seal isn't better than every other seal at every stage of the game

[foggy crag]

red seal is quite mid in early game

[iron onyx]

and even with the blue seal buff that guarantees the planet of the winning hand type... i still think you're a little less happy to see a blue seal card

[foggy crag]

without enhancement

[dapper helm]

purp seal is the best for like maybe the first 3 antes at very most, then red seal is best for the next 36 lmao

[iron onyx]

yeah

[empty urchin]

chat's making me wanna try out making a homestuck-themed joker now

[iron onyx]

gold seal is "woo free econ" and blue is "hey free upgrades"

[dapper helm]

even in tarot based decks i want red seal more than purp

and in planet based decks i want gold seal more than blue

tbh i forget gold exists though because its so plain

[vestal crag]

Red seal is kinda bad without enhancements or jokers that trigger on scoring, and is decent when you have +mult triggers or +chips triggers. It goes wild once you get xmult scoring triggers, though.

Gold is good, but weak.

Probably should be closer to +$5, I think.

[iron onyx]

tbh, i think the real problem is that standard pack cards can have seals

enhancements, totally. editions? i guess it's fine.

but the fact that you can rip open a booster pack and get a red seal is

[foggy crag]

Red Seal - S tier
Purp - A tier
Blue, Gold - B tier

[iron onyx]

kinda wild, no?

[dapper helm]

i'd say more like
red - s tier
purp & gold - b tier
blue - c tier

[vestal crag]

Honestly, I think I would actually rate Blue above gold as of 1.0.1

[foggy crag]

The only adequate way to nerf red seal is to make it 1 in 2 chance

[foggy crag]

Very likely

[iron onyx]

OR make it only retrigger played cards

because like

[foggy crag]

or right

in hand

steels

[vestal crag]

Removing the steel abuse is probably the best solution.

[foggy crag]

yeah

[vestal crag]

Since a red seal steel is x2.25

[iron onyx]

and the fringe case of a red seal gold card basically doing a gold seal's job better

[vestal crag]

Yup.

[dapper helm]

i wouldn't really cause its either -1 handsize or literally no seal, but gold is free money

[sleek granite]

red steeleal

[hardy brook]

It's almost time, and I'm excited

[vestal crag]

But it gives you a decently consistent way to get the planet you want outside of Telescope.

[hardy brook]

Ortalab Demo almost ready

[vestal crag]

OH

[hardy brook]

40 jokers, 3 decks

[sleek granite]

man i wish i had jokers or decks

[iron onyx]

see that's another thing

[hardy brook]

what do you have then?

[iron onyx]

that makes me want to say seals should be exclusive to spectrals... and maybe skip tags

[sleek granite]

tarot planets and spectrals

[hardy brook]

oh

[dapper helm]

money is a lot better than planets imo

[hardy brook]

I think tarots, planets, and spectrals are just as big though

[sleek granite]

@wanton rapids nice sticker

[iron onyx]

where you would draw a random hand and apply a seal of the respective color to one card.

[foggy crag]

.

[dapper helm]

when i get the money i usually don't even use it on planets lmao

[foggy crag]

planet packs are a scam

imo

[vestal crag]

If gold gave more money, I would agree that it was better, but 3 dollars does not go far.

[dapper helm]

planets are a scam in general past a certain point imo

[vestal crag]

Without Telescope, I don't touch celestial packs.

That said, I like planets.

Well, pre-endless.

[dapper helm]

planets are good for like 5 antes at most imo

but money is always useful and tarots can always give money too

[vestal crag]

I take them when I see one that's actually helpful.

[foggy crag]

planet scaling falls off so fast

[iron onyx]

it really does

[dapper helm]

yeah

[vestal crag]

Tarots are always good because they usually give either money, power, or something that you would have spent money on anyways.

[iron onyx]

basically everything falls off in endless, it's so silly

[hasty meadow]

Can someone please point me to resources talking about texture modding specifically? As a creator, not a modder.

[sleek granite]

me when i take a celestial pack and get Moon -> The Moon

[dapper helm]

planets fall off before endless imo

[sleek granite]

but can you fall off a planet?

[foggy crag]

I agree

[iron onyx]

they really do

[dapper helm]

yes watch this

[foggy crag]

it depends

[sleek granite]

wait can you even set a joker to sell for 0

[iron onyx]

i think it's because of how exponentially the antes scale, tbh

especially on the higher stakes

[foggy crag]

There probably should be such functionality since different jokers have unique prices (despite being of the same rarity)

[sleek granite]

i can set it to 0 manually but if anything updates the cost it'll bump to 1

[iron onyx]

like, assuming you don't skip any blinds and take the glyph vouchers

[iron onyx]

you have 24 blinds to scale

[sleek granite]

whatever here's phantom

i got a more fluff joker both times wth

[dapper helm]

hes going so fast

[foggy crag]

spoopy

[dapper helm]

he can do anything

[foggy crag]

indeed

[sleek granite]

yeah im not working on animated joker anymore

making shit animate in this game kills my soul

someone smarter than me can figure out how animated sprites work

[iron onyx]

a 350% increase in score goal scaling from ante 2 to ante 3 alone, at 1.0.0 white stake

[dapper helm]

can you send it again i think its funny so i want it in my game

[sleek granite]

no :)

[dapper helm]

all that pain and suffering for what

[foggy crag]

99% of the coders quit before learning how animations works in balo

smh

[foggy crag]

all good

[sleek granite]

balatro discord try not to mindbreak modders challenge (impossible)

[astral glade]

real

chat i love making jank code (it works at least)

[dapper helm]

genuinely sorry. i can't really tell how serious you're being

[hardy brook]

Me waiting for someone to add Bejeweled into balatro for no reason

[sleek granite]

that means its working

[stark lava]

is there a mod to make a custom deck?

[dapper helm]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1211808102999924746

very good mod

[stark lava]

thank you

[round ore]

does anyone have any good mod packs?

[sleek granite]

mods are still growing, please have patient

[astral glade]

charon is finally done, wont be sharing what it does until i make its counter part!

take a guess at what it does

[foggy crag]

smth smth gives you an extra life

[boreal ibex]

i bet it does something

[foggy crag]

Is that the guy from the Sticks river?

[astral glade]

pluto's moon

[sleek granite]

the Sticks---

im dying

[astral glade]

WAIT LMAO

Sytx

Styx

[foggy crag]

river of sticks

wdym

full of them

[hardy brook]

IT'S TIME

ORTALAB BETA 1.0 IS HERE

LET'S GOOOOO

[astral glade]

fun

[granite silo]

i was about to do something productive too

[boreal ibex]

not anymore

[granite silo]

remember im here forever

[astral glade]

hydra

its so small and popcorn shaped wtf

[sleek granite]

looks like a dead tooth

[boreal ibex]

toof

[hardy brook]

It does look like a tooth lol

[astral glade]

holy wow it does

[lavish jackal]

sucker works letsa go

[sleek granite]

wait oops all sixes stacks multiplicatively?

[lavish jackal]

yes

apparently

[iron onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/idle-pixel-dog-white-dog-small-dog-gif-26324891

i am a certified weirdo

[rigid jewel]

Yeah since adding the joker does G.GAME.probabilities.normal*2, adding itself several times will cause stuff like that.

[sleek granite]

pog

i am attempting badge surgery

[sleek granite]

oh sick

is this done by directly changing P_CENTERS? you might need to be concerned about save/reloading then

[astral glade]

yes but i already debuged it!

its functional

[sleek granite]

pog

love the minicards btw

[astral glade]

even if you close and reopen the game itll save between the single run

ty!

[round ore]

i tried to make a batch ends up crashing one way or another

[sleek granite]

dont use jellymod in a modpack

[round ore]

i didnt

it was the alcamy mod i think

[sleek granite]

chat what do we think of this

[granite silo]

holy shit

[astral glade]

lets go?

[granite silo]

just close your eyes and pray

[astral glade]

MOON OF A DWARF PLANET LOL

[sleek granite]

badge surgery

[astral glade]

they did surgery on a grape?!?!

[granite silo]

but seriously when would you ever use this?

[astral glade]

always

for the vine

[sleek granite]

after you use meteor 57 times

and it hits straight flush every time

[granite silo]

i mean if it added +1 to all hands and then shuffled it would be interesting

but i dont see when in a run it would be a good idea to use this

[astral glade]

+3, +2, +1, -2, -3, each to a different hand

[granite silo]

thats spicy

meteor shower

[gleaming talon]

You could add weight with n° of hands played

[iron onyx]

mostly as a hail mary, i think

[gleaming talon]

because rn it's clearly not worth it

[sleek granite]

technically right now it just displays a message and does nothing lul

[iron onyx]

like

tbh, i don't like the idea of "everything must be generally useful"

[lavish jackal]

Dead Shuffle my beloved

[iron onyx]

wait wait

[sleek granite]

weren't you JUST talking about making all seals useful

[astral glade]

gottem

[lavish jackal]

also how do i add badge :(

[iron onyx]

there's a difference between me wanting to make all seals useful in proportion to their general rarity and me being okay with a planet card that i don't always want to take

[sleek granite]

the fact MoreConsumables has random hand upgrade planets i feel like gives shuffling your hands more context

[granite silo]

i just want seals i dont care if they are just there to look good

[sleek granite]

jimbo seal of approval

[lavish jackal]

wait i think i got it

[astral glade]

jimbo took a bite oout of this card

[lavish jackal]

wait no

[sleek granite]

the fact there isnt a badge makes me think you aren't using the steamodded joker api

since unless you disabled it in the settings, it should have one automatically

unless you aren't using steamodded in which case

[lavish jackal]

wait where do i enable what

also ofc im using JAPI

[sleek granite]

mod tracking

[lavish jackal]

i dont have that

[sleek granite]

then update your steamodded?

or install steamodded

[lavish jackal]

i have steamodded

[granite silo]

btw idk if you were joking here but this sounds like alot of fun. Call it meteor shower and we are in business

[lavish jackal]

when was it added

[astral glade]

shrug

[sleek granite]

like 0.9.4 or something

been a minute

[lavish jackal]

oh im on 0.9.3

[fickle elbow]

download 0.9.8

[sleek granite]

badge surgery...

[lavish jackal]

can't exactly download it i use linux

[astral glade]

LMAO THE PRINTS

[sleek granite]

im like 85% sure you can use steamodded of any version on linux

[fickle elbow]

for html is there a way to add the background text of the one above to the text below?

[sleek granite]

all that just to put two lines on one badge

[astral glade]

balatro gui </3

[sleek granite]

i might have a solution for overridden badges drawing their names erroneously

lets GOOOOO

simply put this onto every set_badges function lul

[astral glade]

hell yeah

[sleek granite]

@lean dune the above may interest you, not sure if theres a good way to handle this at API level tho

[rare shell]

autumns noggin is too large...

[sleek granite]

simply reach all the way into the badge, grab the DynaText object by the throat, and yeet it into the sun

lyman showing up at exactly the right time to see me accomplish One Thing:

[sleek granite]

balatrostuckballin

[fallow bramble]

I'm cookin and the kitchen is on fire

Sorry for anyone who's going to sleep

[astral glade]

what the fuck

[dusky reef]

is the face 0o0 or ·_·

[dapper helm]

right now

good for after black hole really

[sleek granite]

oh i could make it tally up your hands and distribute randomly maybe

i was thinking literally just shuffle the numbers

[dapper helm]

ohhhh

[sleek granite]

i do want it to be something that ties in with its name

mixing up words/names....

shuffling hand levels :)

[gleaming talon]

It's 1am man

XD

[astral glade]

you just had that image on speed dial?

[sleek granite]

no i made it

(this is a lie you have been deceived)

(the prior sentence is a half lie, i generated it in imgflip)

how do we feel about this one chat

[astral glade]

more of a one-fourth lie

[rare shell]

i lob this

[astral glade]

interesting and niche but cool

[sleek granite]

works with oops im sixty

[fickle elbow]

oops, i have aged

[sleek granite]

damn, that unstoppable flow of time got hands

[rare shell]

when the card got the probability

[granite silo]

I like the outside the box effect but im never using this if im trying to win

[sleek granite]

then stop trying to win

[granite silo]

5Head

[astral glade]

do it for the vine

[sleek granite]

again, the intent is for synergy with comet/meteor

"synergy"

[astral glade]

observatory effect?

[sleek granite]

good question

maybe it applies regardless of hand type at 1 in 4 odds

[rare shell]

the observatory voucher

[astral glade]

thats kinda hype

cuz it works regardless of hand type and you could prolly stack em

[sleek granite]

i believe newt meant "what would be its observatory effect"

not "what is an observatory effect"

[vestal crag]

Observatory effect: xmult equal to the level of a random hand?

Nah

[grand geode]

level 50 on all hands go

[astral glade]

hell yeah

[sleek granite]

though i should make that clearer anyway right

chat how do we feel about long tooltips

[astral glade]

can you make it just disappear without the voucher?

[granite silo]

turn balatro into a VN

[sleek granite]

originally i wanted this, but i figured telling the player what the voucher would do with the card is helpful

in the event Telescope/Observatory are in the shop and the player wonders "how do that work"

[lavish jackal]

when will we get the exodia joker which does nothing until you collect its 5 parts

[sleek granite]

when you make it

painted deck in shambles btw

[granite silo]

it already exists

[lavish jackal]

where

[lavish jackal]

just get one of them in negative

[granite silo]

https://imgur.com/a/e0DrLBl

#1219729417644019853 message

great mod do recommend

[astral glade]

thats awesome

jimbo

[round ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[granite silo]

I will now buy your game

[rare shell]

Remember when you ran away
And I got on my knees and begged you
Not to leave because I´d go beserk?
WELL,
You left me anyhow and
Then the days got worse and worse
And now you see I´ve gone completely
out of my mind
AND
They´re coming to take me away,
Haha, they´re coming to take me away,
Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm
Where life is beautiful all the time
And I´ll be happy to see
Those nice young men
In their clean white coats
And they´re coming to take me AWAY,
HA HAAAA

[sleek granite]

hee hee hoo hoo

[round ore]

anyways i should probably figure out why my mods cause my game to crash

[lavish jackal]

leave it in as a treat

[round ore]

the only treat that had crashing was bad apple joker

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[astral glade]

jellymod?

[sleek granite]

should i know what this is

get jimbo'd

[round ore]

what do you expect

[rare shell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xRCbdFrSSc

[lavish jackal]

im a bit upset about jellymod for reasons obvious to artists

[rare shell]

best not to get into that

[astral glade]

theyre working on fixing it

at least

[lavish jackal]

good

[rare shell]

dev already said he was just using it as provisionairy art and that conversation was very exhausting

[round ore]

i wonder how the art is made tbh

what software

[astral glade]

❌

[fallow bramble]

Nice

[sleek granite]

art is made on a farm

i should probably make Dysnomia actually do something huh

[rare shell]

https://tenor.com/view/vinesauce-earthworm-meat-msn-vinny-gif-26335063

[sleek granite]

meat....

[fallow bramble]

4 more sprites to make and the mod will finally be good to go 💀

[astral glade]

who up ballin' they tro

[sleek granite]

im ballin'

[astral glade]

im bawlin'

[sleek granite]

dunks dysnomia

[fallow bramble]

no description for ME! ???

[sleek granite]

what if i just make it so theres a 1 in 99999999 chance that all the observatory descriptions get replaced with that.....

[astral glade]

oops all 6's 🥺

[round ore]

so what do people use for lua file editing?

an idea popped into my head just now

I use visual studio code

It’s pretty good

[iron onyx]

all right now

how would i make x cards be rightmost when rank-sorted?

[round ore]

just it by itself?

[sleek granite]

chat

[round ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

watch the chances be rigged to downgrade you

[round ore]

Yeah

[astral glade]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217914433846775918
Added in the new Planets and Blinds, along with Deck changes, come test play!!!

[round ore]

ok thanks i just gotta now figure how the joker designs

a whole lot of joker designs…

Oh yeah what’s ur idea anyway

well so yk what blue archive is?

I just looked it up it’s like a video game of some sort

so its got a lot of characters and i was like what if there was a joker for each and every one

im staring down the code and dont know shit

Oh ok sounds cool

Well gl I think u can figure it out

probably have to find someone the could help me

because most of this makes 0 sense

for example what do they mean by slug

[round ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

Are you like looking at the code of a different mid

Mod

im looking at the one for the blank_joker_template

[lavish jackal]

Dead Shuffle is work now

[round ore]

Oh ok

[strong swift]

nice

[round ore]

I’d suggest trying to use control f as much as u can to find what stuff means

Also I think if something says global it’s referring to stuff in the actual game files

[dapper helm]

holyyy, i'll try it out once i'm done with some tiny pixel art contributions for deck creator

[sleek granite]

deck crater

[astral glade]

deck munch

[round ore]

i see

[astral glade]

sweet

[round ore]

im looking at the examplejoker = { part and it says —slug used by the joker

[iron onyx]

I JUST WANTED TO TEST X CARDS BRO

[dusky reef]

did somebody say X card?!

[sleek granite]

different X card

[dusky reef]

figured

but still

[rare shell]

[astral glade]

fucked up looking pikachu

[round ore]

im trying to make tarot card variations, and so i just picked a random tarot card set, its called like "lenormand" and i was wondering if anyone has an idea for the card called the heart because the sun already makes cards into hearts

[sleek granite]

pikablu...

[round ore]

woah cool

[sleek granite]

oh wait

[round ore]

rigged lol

[sleek granite]

no actually whats happening

it's not skipping hidden hands

[round ore]

oh that makes sense

also im not sure if a rare card that has a 1 in 10 chance to give x15 multi is op

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[astral glade]

im straight spectruming rn

[sleek granite]

who up straighting their spectrum

[astral glade]

sorry i mean gay spectruming

[sleek granite]

this is more what it'll look like

[round ore]

thats actually really cool

yea

[fickle elbow]

got it working😎

[astral glade]

cant wait to be screwed over by it!!!!

[sleek granite]

thats kinda the theme of my mod isnt it

[round ore]

how did you get that background?

[round ore]

yep

all i can say is relatable

[fickle elbow]

wdym

[sleek granite]

chance screws you over
meteor can screw you over
dysnomia can screw you over
offering can screw you over

[astral glade]

its from the website template

[round ore]

care to share?

[astral glade]

https://github.com/notmario/balatrowebsitetemplate

[round ore]

again im new to this

[astral glade]

was just grabbing the link

[round ore]

thanks

[astral glade]

the gangs all here

[fickle elbow]

i edited it to have two things

[round ore]

now how do i make the website work…

[astral glade]

add all you jokers/stuff in addjokers.js

open the index.html in a browser to view them

[round ore]

what mod is that :0

[astral glade]

you can also open the index.html in a code thing to edit it directly if you wish

[round ore]

is it possible to edit them through the website?

[astral glade]

my own! you can play it here
https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1217914433846775918
still in beta thoooo

[round ore]

oooooo!! thank you!!

[astral glade]

nah, it wont save

unless you mean edit addjokers.js

then you can just refresh and itll update in real time

[sleek granite]

moon that upgrades gold cards
moon that upgrades steel cards
moon that upgrades glass cards
moon that upgrades lucky cards
moon that upgrades stone cards

[astral glade]

thats the plan!

[round ore]

damnit i was gonna try and edit the jokers through the website and hope it changes the code

[sleek granite]

viable stone cards.... never gonna see the day....

[astral glade]

its surprisingly easy,,,

[round ore]

again im new to lua and joker making

[sleek granite]

moon that upgrades wild cards (makes them into better cards instead)

[astral glade]

wasnt directed to you!

[round ore]

oh mb

[astral glade]

i can also edit the seals

ish

well most defintely can

[sleek granite]

happy now

[astral glade]

but they kinda just work

[rare shell]

moon named finger

[astral glade]

yes!!!

[sleek granite]

now to add exactly one more planet

[round ore]

if only it was easy to make the art style

[astral glade]

practice makes perfect

[sleek granite]

unfortunately i am mega dumb at art

[round ore]

same

so imagine me having to make 50+ jokers

[rare shell]

fake it till you make it

[round ore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[sleek granite]

lyman, actively making it at all hours of the day:

[granite silo]

great stuff with charon and hydra. Bonus and mult cards getting a buff is nice

[astral glade]

thanks

[rare shell]

i only make art when im stressed or anxious

[sleek granite]

these are the same picture

[round ore]

imma use fan art of the character and call it a day

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1133486683313164288.png?size=48&quality=lossless

[astral glade]

you can test them out if you like, but again there may be bugs!!

[sleek granite]

art theft is bad mmmmmk

[round ore]

im sure they wont notice

[rare shell]

you can just credit them

:y

[round ore]

yea thats what i was gonna say

if i ever figure out their user

[granite silo]

I will happily search for them. Ill give it go

[astral glade]

hell yeah

[round ore]

im stuck trying to download the website

augh

im such a normie

[rare shell]

folks is there a way to turn off the drawing boxes in debug mode

[sleek granite]

download the other debug mode mod

[shell vine]

🤷

[rare shell]

wait does debugplus do that

[astral glade]

ive never seen boxes drawn

[sleek granite]

theres two downloads for debug mode

[shell vine]

what's the modding platform for balatro? or is it manual modding (think gungeon modding)

[rare shell]

wait what

have i been lied to this entire time

[sleek granite]

modding platform for balatro is steamodded or balamod

[rare shell]

WAIT THERES A SHORTCUT

[sleek granite]

recommend using steamodded with lovely

[rare shell]

this changes the game...

[fickle elbow]

i knew that there was but never how to use it

like a legend

[boreal ibex]

the Debug Mode mod does G + A if that helps

[sleek granite]

it is technically rigged in favor of not increasing or decreasing; it's 50% to do nothing, 25% to increase, 25% to decrease

[astral glade]

increase polychrome by x0.05

[sleek granite]

moon that buffs negative

[astral glade]

maybe a legendary that does

+1 joker slots for all negative jokers

[boreal ibex]

extremely negative jokers

[sleek granite]

black hole that buffs all enhancements, seals, and editions

[astral glade]

i was just thinking that wtf

[boreal ibex]

instead of just negative they are now pessimistic

[sleek granite]

black hole that buffs chips of all cards in deck

[rare shell]

AAAA

FOLKS

[sleek granite]

lyman that screams

[astral glade]

fearful

[rare shell]

15 mb gif lets go

[fickle elbow]

i dont think he likes diamonds

[sleek granite]

he grew up

[astral glade]

diamonds are like

within the top 10 suits

[fickle elbow]

when its in top 10 out of 4

[astral glade]

garfields from sixty suits

[sleek granite]

me when i garfield

[shell vine]

you guys remember how a few days ago i was asking how to access the source files? Here's why ||I wanted to buy a custom deck using balatro's art, the jokers i chose (closest to 52 that i could choose was 55) were Joker, Even Steven, and Odd Todd||

[sleek granite]

me when i bootleg balatro merch

[astral glade]

im gonna shrink you down and place you in some lasagna

[shell vine]

i'm not gonna sell it or anything, just thought it would be cool

[fickle elbow]

you should make a deck with six suits, and ink and color suits as well

[shell vine]

also does balatro have merch?

[sleek granite]

make a deck with 9 suits and 30 ranks