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upper granite
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Oo that's good

empty brook
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oh yeah, that's a good pick too

wispy agate
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OH I think I figured out one of the problems

upper granite
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I was thinking destroying a card to buff another card

wispy agate
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multiple mods mess with the jokers.png thing

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each with their own variants

empty brook
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yep, that'd do it

rare shell
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quick question

wispy agate
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so I think they're overriding each other

upper granite
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Something like-
"If the first hand has only 2 cards played, destroy the left card, add its rank and enhancements to the right card"

wispy agate
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is there a way to fix that?

rare shell
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how would i format my extra field in my jokers to direct to a specific hand

empty brook
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didn't we go over this a while ago for one of your high card jokers?

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or is this a different kind of thing?

upper granite
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I have NO idea how scoring works after lmao

rare shell
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OH

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you know i forgot i coded that

wispy agate
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Both the Lush mod and Jelly's mod mess with the jokers.png thing

rare shell
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well

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thats not formatted to pull from the extra field

empty brook
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oh, okay. one sec

rare shell
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id like to format it properly instead of just inline

empty brook
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extra = {retriggers = 1, poker_hand = 'Pair'},

rare shell
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okay thats what i thought

spice spear
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thinking about Vince Joker again and how dumb the card art for it is

rare shell
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thanks bestie

empty brook
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this but obviously without the retriggers

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and replacing pair with

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Whatever lol

wispy agate
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Wait, so, is there a way to fix my issue, or do I just have to get rid of one?

rare shell
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jelly mod is very deep in the code of the game

empty brook
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i'm not sure if there'd be a way to fix that outside of ask one of the modders to do so

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also yeah jelly's mod is very...

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destructive???? i don't know how you'd describe it lmao

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It Really Changes That Code

wispy agate
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damn

rare shell
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dont expect much compatibility with it

empty brook
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yeah

spice spear
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steamodded requires destructive editing, balamod allows injection

rare shell
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aye

empty brook
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sometimes i wonder if i should start moving my mods to balamod....

rare shell
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unfortunately dank i am like a duckling and i imprint myself on the first modloader i see

wispy agate
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Do the Steamodded mods work with balamod?

rare shell
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theres no guarantee

spice spear
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It's case-by-case

empty brook
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i'm like that, but that's mostly because i'm very stupid and learning programming stuff is quite slow for me
so restarting that progress Agitates Me

wispy agate
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hmmmm

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interesting

spice spear
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some mods have been ported (like ShamPack) leaving behind an unsupported Steamodded version

empty brook
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you'd probably be better off having one Balatro.exe for Steamodded and another for Balamod

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i keep a lot of backups myself, and it's pretty easy to just replace your balatro.exe with one to swap

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...man seeing mean jimbo here reminds me that i gotta figure out how to change the lose quotes....

rare shell
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i got ternary system up and working

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time to push the update

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🫡

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we're up to 15 jonklers

empty brook
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you know, i haven't actually played with your jokers after the Highlander Shenanigans. i should probably do that....

rare shell
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highlander still might be bugged tbh

spice spear
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not since THE INCIDENT

rare shell
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i think it should be fixed but i make no promises

empty brook
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the INCIDENT....

rare shell
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and also dont use two copies of jace

empty brook
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shudders, remembering having an 111 chip ace on ante 1

spice spear
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a what

rare shell
empty brook
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so highlander joker adds 20 chips permanently when you play a high card

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but it was bugged and, if you used Splash or Stone cards, it would just re-apply those 20 chips to the same card multiple times, instead of spreading it out (as it should)

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so i played a 5-card splash high card hand, and instead of putting +20 chips on all 5 cards

rare shell
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jonkler in question

empty brook
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it put +20 chips, 5 times, on the same card

upper granite
spice spear
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gonkler

rare shell
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you should aerialate extreme speed yourself NOW

empty brook
spice spear
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JFC

rare shell
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jimbo would never say that,,,

upper granite
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Random question uh-
Ik how to extract files with winrar... how do I inject new files into something? 😅

empty brook
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one of these days, i'll finally crack the code of how to make a localization mod...

rare shell
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what are you trying to do?

empty brook
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and Mean Jimbo can be released to the public....

rare shell
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jimbo but he says Hell

empty brook
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he says a lot of mean things

upper granite
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Thinking it might be funny to just texture swap the Joker with the fucked up lil Jonkler I made

rare shell
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i think texture swaps are a bit more involved

spice spear
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make an entire texture pack for it

empty brook
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i mean, i guess it depends?

spice spear
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resprite all jokers into jonklers

upper granite
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Lmao

empty brook
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if you're fine with just replacing jokers.png (and thus it wouldn't be compatible with other mods that change jokers.png) it'd be pretty easy actually

upper granite
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At that point I might as well make, like, an actual texture pack

empty brook
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but yeah it's probably a bit more involved if you want to change One Specific Joker (And Keep It Compatible With Everything)

upper granite
empty brook
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texture mods which replace textures are pretty easy for the most part, in that case

upper granite
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It's Jokers.png, but the base Joker is a Jonkler

empty brook
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the baba decks mod i posted earlier today, for instance--this is literally the entire mod's code

spice spear
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thinking about this idea that got shot down

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woulda been REALLY funny to make this joker

empty brook
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and even then it's plausible that i'm a fool and including an extra line i don't need

empty brook
spice spear
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YEAH

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j_emoker is dead, long live j_emoker

empty brook
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to be entirely honest, i am glad that there was some kind of merciful, almighty force imbued in Balatro

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one that could stop this wretchedness

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if there were no limiters in place then you would surely destroy us all

spice spear
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I mean, I already want to put booster packs in the consumable slots

empty brook
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THIS IS WHAT I MEAN!!!!!

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THAT'S A TERRIFYING SENTENCE!!!

spice spear
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you should NOT read our ideas for ShamPack then

empty brook
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i feel like my copy of the Necronomicon is less hazardous to my health

spice spear
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LMAO

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I swear that I have good, rational, and non insane ideas sometimes

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it's just that my good ones also tend to be insane

rare shell
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not mario is still a god for makin that template

empty brook
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oh don't get me wrong--i love the madness

spice spear
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ShamPack is an exercise in how far we can push the game before it begs us to stop

empty brook
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i have yet to use ShamPack even once yet, but i will probably change that tonight

spice spear
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j_emoker was an idea I had in the shower

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I nearly fell over from laughing at it

rare shell
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pizzatower-esque joker (I have no idea where do I put the word "joker")

empty brook
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JUMPSCARE

spice spear
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keep in mind that ShamPack is very content-light currently

empty brook
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i'm glad that we have true equal forces side-by-side: a nuclear explosion, and pizza tower

spice spear
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most of that list isn't even implemented

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it has four jokers currently and only two of them actually interact with our added mechanics

rare shell
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also thought about making it pizza tower purple tv thing instead of a card

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but it kinda doesn't makes a lot of sense

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i should try doing jimbo in my style

spice spear
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I also did some thonklage about Sarmenti: what if he had four different pieces of art?

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(Mental Break, Normal, ???, Resolute)

oak jolt
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anybody has this edited with the card shape to make it easy to place an image within the margins?

spice spear
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the cards are 71 x 95

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so if you can turn on some sort of grid to make it show those boundaries, it would be good to do that

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I would recommend using Aseprite if you plan to edit cards

oak jolt
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What's that?

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a software?

spice spear
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yep

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it's like $14.99 on steam but you can compile it for free iirc

empty brook
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yeah Aseprite is pretty cool. you don't have to use it for pixel art but it seems much better than a lot of other alternatives

rare shell
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didnt someone say that you can have a single joker be an atlas so it could be an animated sprite in theory

empty brook
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i didn't actually know you could compile it for free...

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i might finally escape from photopea for pixel art....

spice spear
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Aseprite has paid for itself hundredfold for me

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several hundredfold, in fact

rare shell
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meh

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aseprite is kind of mid

rare shell
spice spear
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you're one of those people who leaves it open 24/7 aren't you

empty brook
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see if i compile it for free then i don't have to see how many hours i spend on it!!!!

rare shell
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yes

empty brook
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which frankly might be less than photopea, considering photopea is uh

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not very good for pixel art

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so it takes me way too long to do anything lmao

spice spear
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could be worse, you could be using piskel

rare shell
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nah memes aside aseprite is fantastic

empty brook
spice spear
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don't

empty brook
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....OH.

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OH IT'S THIS THING.

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yeah i used this once before

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this is hell

spice spear
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...i used it for years

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it's what I used before I bought aseprite

empty brook
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i used to use pixlr and then moved to photopea, mostly since my graphic stuff has been primarily non-pixel-art, with the occasional blip of pixelated graphics every now and then

spice spear
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I was a much simpler person back then (in more than one way!)

rare shell
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blows my mind seein the next generation of pixel artists come by and theyre like

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showing off pixel art done in the most god awful jank ipad pixel app

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and the arts good!! im just like, how???

empty brook
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i think the nice thing with pixel art is that you can, theoretically, do exceptional stuff in the worst goddamn program you'll ever see

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due to the precision pixel stuff can have

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i've seen some people do pixel art on graph paper

rare shell
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i aint knockin the way people get it done i just question their sanity

empty brook
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they just use the grid for it

rare shell
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i was those people RWcry

empty brook
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for me i've pretty much always been a #ForevaGal with photoshop-equivalents, since i think uh

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the only free, online pixel art thing i could find for a while was piskel

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and it convinced me to just stick with photopea lmao

spice spear
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paint.net is right there and you could use that

empty brook
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plus i use photopea for other graphic design business anyways--it might not be a square hole for this square peg, but maybe i could just jam the square into the circle hole and be fine

spice spear
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that's right! it goes in the circle hole!

empty brook
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it's probably better for pixel art--but i might as well start using aseprite if i'm looking for a program specifically to do pixel stuff with

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i'll likely do that free compile-it-yourself thing sometime this week....

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finally, the world will get to see more Blackbando pixel art! you'll all be able to gasp and be amazed at my inability to draw shapes and shading correctly

rare shell
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god i remember trying to animate on my dads copy of photoshop when i was little

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still one of the most goofiest ways of exporting gifs

golden rain
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how do i make it so that i can unlock stuff and use mods

rare shell
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theres a achievement enabler mod

hardy brook
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Where?

rare shell
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I have a feeling that this doesn't work at all lol

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in terms of style or transparency?

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both

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transparency it should work

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style wise only thing id really change would be maybe desaturate the colors a bit

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cross reference from jokers.png

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yeah I got these colors straight out of pt

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one sec

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yeah I don't know

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think you can keep the exagerated lines but maybe antialias the hell out of everything

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i do agree it might need tweaking but i like the concept

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there's not a lot of antialiasing in both of games

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yeah fair enough

rare shell
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when fresh idea comes

past tendon
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A pizza tower joker 👀 I'm all for it

golden rain
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my steamodded injector just crashes

rare shell
golden rain
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it doesnt get that far

rare shell
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I mean aren't you supposed to put balatro.exe on the injector itself

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without launching it directly

golden rain
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oh that makes more sense

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yea that worked oops

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i thought it was like u open the injector and then drag and drop

rare shell
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yeah that's a bit unintuitive I agree

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I think I ended up using powershell injector

spice spear
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it looks fine to me, but I haven't played pizza tower

rare shell
spice spear
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ultrakill jokers...

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ULTRAJOKER

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(yes I know that someone made the style meter)

rare shell
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BALULTRO

spice spear
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I was thinking of making jokers of the prime souls but IDK what they'd do

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my initial idea was ORDERLY Joker for Minos, but then it fell flat when it came time for Sisyphus

rare shell
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surprised no one made cassette/mixtape joker

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gonna do it rn

heavy flax
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carnivorous plant

exotic shadow
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Tools or smth might be nice for stuff like the mod loaders, injectors, save editors, calcualtors, etc.

spice spear
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(it would also be awesome of you to go through and pin the first message of each thread that way people can jump to the top quickly-- I do realize that would be a lot of work, though)

exotic shadow
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idk why discord doesnt' do this

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someone should make a bot for this

spice spear
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threads/forums are difficult for bots to get into and it ends up encountering a lot of issues

exotic shadow
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well its not that bad

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they can auto join on thread creation

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lots of automod bots do this

oak jolt
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i think the frame is bigger

spice spear
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I think you're looking at the 2x sprites instead of the 1x sprites

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use the 1x sprites

oak jolt
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why?

spice spear
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it's easier and everything is based on those

oak jolt
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ah ok

past tendon
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that's the actual resolution, 2x sprites are just upscaled

cosmic shell
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the 2x sprites are just the 1x sprites nearest neighbour scaled up for the smooth pixel scaling

oak jolt
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okey then

golden rain
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got this while playing

rare shell
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behold the lyman jonkler

exotic shadow
golden rain
exotic shadow
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uhhh don't think so

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at least easily

golden rain
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thats a shame

exotic shadow
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its at least 1317 lines long

golden rain
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oh thats wonderful

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ill keep that in mind yk

rare shell
candid cloud
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What are the chances for each rarity to appear in the shop? I don't know how to access files.

rare shell
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love that casette joker

heavy flax
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wrecking ball

empty brook
candid cloud
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nvm found the info

supple cypress
hardy brook
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.

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I MISSED THE AMA

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SON OF A-

icy summit
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Is custom challenges a thing, and if so can someone link me to the right place?

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You are the worst kind of person

rare shell
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??

strong falcon
icy summit
rare shell
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jesus christ

spice spear
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there was no need for unprompted hostility there

rare shell
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dont flame the person asking the question, thank them for giving you the answer

icy summit
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You kids relate better with memes?

oak jolt
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any easy way to convert this into pixel art?

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or it has to be done one by one drawing pixel by pixel?

rare shell
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gotta pixel it yourself

spice spear
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if you wanted to do it properly yeah, you'd be pixelling it yourself

oak jolt
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damn, i have 0 artistic habilities 😂

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i spend 3 hours doing only the layouts

rancid flume
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Hi so I had a funny idea for a modded challenge.

so you know how everyone makes fun of "Nope!"?
well what if there was a challenge where every action has a 1/4 chance to just go "nope!" and not happen. Play a hand? Nope! Joker gets activated? nope! Buy a card? nope! discard a hand? Nope!

I feel like this could be a funny challenge that would keep players constantly trying over and over.

spice spear
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Oops! All 6s should make it into a 2 in 4

rancid flume
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god that would be evil.

tawdry glade
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hey im having some trubble with putting the mods in to my game like the custom deck builder idk what im doing rong as its not popping up in game

autumn breach
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Start with an "all 6s" and a bloodstone

exotic shadow
rare shell
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it would be more helpful if you told us what lead to this crash

sturdy parrot
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is there a guide for how to use the seed searcher somewhere?

spice spear
rare shell
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fair enough

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i am tired today Feel

exotic shadow
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compared to the default

spice spear
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this is much more helpful, are you going to be submitting it as a PR to steamodded or balamod?

exotic shadow
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right now its a standalone steamodded mod

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I could see about merging it into the core steamodded loader

strong falcon
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Is there an easy way to generate the 2x sprites?

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Or do I need to do all of them manually

rare shell
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i am very dumb i understand what is going on

spice spear
strong falcon
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steamodded

rigid jewel
exotic shadow
# exotic shadow

looks like it doesn't work too well for extrally required files, that don't have the steammodded header, but since those are loaded by a mod, that mod should be in the list eventually

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well

rigid jewel
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Although the bugs I find in mods are more of the annoying ones

exotic shadow
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Like here it doesn't know where the crash came from, but it was originally loaded in my mod

rigid jewel
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Like modded jokers that interact with G.hand retrigger at end of round

spice spear
strong falcon
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😔

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Thanks for the help!

rigid jewel
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Adds 0.3X mult per card held in hand per rounds, resets after hand is played

exotic shadow
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Oh I just realized stack traces aren't shown without the debug mode mod

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let me fix that

grand geode
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okay thoughts
-4 Hand Size, +1 after every hand played on a showdown instead of a boss blind

empty brook
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don't bring stuntman and merry andy to this showdown on gold stake..... worst mistake of my life.....

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i could definitely see that! -4 is enough that if you are in that scenario you would Instantly Lose And Die, but that's probably not super likely

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what would you call this thing anyways?

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Silver Claws?

minor topaz
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I have a question, and sorry if this is obv or there's a better way to find this in the other channel, but is there a mod that allows you to just start with certain items? Not like, making new decks necessarily, but just adding an item to the beginning of your runs

empty brook
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item as in like. joker? consumable? either? both?

minor topaz
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I'm very new, just started researching mods last night, and I really would just like to still be able to play the game and get all the Unlocks on my own for the most part, but I feel like the game would be significantly more fun/better if I started with the Director's Cut voucher

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Or at least always had the option to buy it in 100% of runs

empty brook
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oh, you wanna start with that voucher

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i know there's a mod which lets you essentially make a new deck in balatro itself, giving it benefits and stuff, it might let you start with a voucher--though if you wanna start with a voucher and play other decks, might not be what you want really

grand geode
empty brook
minor topaz
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Shidd, okay thank you. yeah I've just had a few too many runs just be tanked by a hard counter and its a lil discouraging at this point. Love the game either way its fucking awesome, but when I compare it to smth like Slay the Spire the counters feel reeeaaally oppressive, specifically when your essential cards get debuffed

empty brook
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that's the smart choice to make lmao

empty brook
grand geode
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me staring at the the joker art i made without an effect

spice spear
empty brook
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if you'd prefer a mod that's just "every run you start with director's cut, regardless of deck" (either for free or in the first shop) though, i don't have much for you

spice spear
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I do think more runs should be able to get off of the ground, but after that I think it should be fair game

empty brook
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i think Balatro is also pretty good about letting you pivot, provided you've got some solid econ and such

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but at the same time, i also think it's fair to want to mod a game to enjoy it more how you wanna

grand geode
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Thunk did mention making changes to Gold Stake in the AMA

spice spear
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honestly I would say instead of doing director's cut, just give yourself the normie Joker at first to see if that improves things somewhat

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going directly for a voucher seems like the nuclear option

grand geode
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honestly excited for the Neow mod someone is making

empty brook
empty brook
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i might actually enjoy playing Gold Stake when this comes out

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plus it's always nice to see the whale

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i've been murdering her too often in StS: Downfall

grand geode
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WHAT

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how dare you

empty brook
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LOOK

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SHE'S MEAN!!!!!!!!

minor topaz
# spice spear I think the fact that you can get totally obliterated by the game at any given m...

I totally get you, and it definitely follows the philosophy of Poker and "the house always wins" and whatnot which I really appreciate - it's cool. And I know going into a game that is literally poker-made-roguelike, theres obv gonna be a lot of rng. Truthfully tho, when I feel like I have a crazy hearts deck or some crazy Perkeo stuff or Oops All 6s and I see potential for greatness, and I get hard shutdown by the counter Boss without even a chance to buy Director's Cut, it feels reaaaaally bad. It's not like Hades or Isaac where you can just deal with the bad luck and be good. There's no surmounting that with only two shops to potentially pivot your entire strategy.

empty brook
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I NEED TO GET AUTOMATON TO ASCENSION 20 SOMEHOW

minor topaz
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Sorry I've thought about it some lol I really didnt wanna make the game easier on myself but oh well

empty brook
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yeah, sometimes you don't have the resources to pivot--it really depends on the situation, on your amount of money, etc.

spice spear
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it's like solitaire

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not all games are DESIGNED to be winnable

empty brook
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i DO agree that it's an important part of learning about the game; however, again, i think that when modding a game, it's also fine to like

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Do Whatever You Would Find More Fun lol

spice spear
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some of it is user error, some of it is the game's DNA

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but yea, modding trumps all, do what you want

astral zodiac
minor topaz
grand geode
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freecell roguelike

astral zodiac
minor topaz
# empty brook Do Whatever You Would Find More Fun lol

yeah this the vibe haha I'm not too prideful, I did enough internal debate about the "integrity" of making the game easier or whatever, and at the end of the day I just wanna see the megabig run happen. I still wanna play and be good and feel accomplished - I've beaten orange and at least red on every deck, but in the moment the visceral feeling of being hard-countered and knowing the game is over as soon as I see the Boss Blind it's like idk, why feel that frustration?

empty brook
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totally get that

minor topaz
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Very zen feel. If it were a comp game I'd def feel WAY differently about it

empty brook
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anyways! i don't have an answer on anything for "start every run with director's cut voucher, regardless of deck"; someone here might have one for that

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i could definitely code up a simple deck that has that as its benefit but

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that'd be the limits of my abilities

grand geode
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mmm maybe make Reroll Boss permanent that costs like $30

minor topaz
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All good thank you I appreciate it!

minor topaz
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I just hate feeling helpless as soon as I see the boss. I know there are decisions beforehand in constructing the run, I get that

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but my closest comparison being Slay the Spire where it's like to have a significant enough amount of time to prepare OR just simply be strong enough despite the counter

empty brook
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i love balatro and sts, but i do definitely feel that sts has a much better difficulty curve rn

minor topaz
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sorry I'm done haha my autism over

empty brook
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which i'd say isn't much of a hot take when you consider balatro has been out for maybe 2 seconds and slay the spire was invented during the roman empire

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give or take a little on those numbers

minor topaz
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yeah definitely I don't hold it against the Thunkman

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its a new game and he has a ton of time to consider feedback

empty brook
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and he really has! watching older versions of the demo is like

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night and day compared to now

minor topaz
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yeah I didn't play the one months ago but I played the one right before the release and yeah

empty brook
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stuff like "next shop has a 1 in 3 chance of having a polychrome joker" as a skip bonus is insane to think about compard to now

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where it's just guaranteed

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(it might've been holo or foil or rare, i forget which one had the 1 in 3 lol)

astral zodiac
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Oof, chance of no bonus at all?

minor topaz
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hoooooli thats crazy

grand geode
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all of them did

astral zodiac
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The risk is in the joker being crud

empty brook
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i think some of them were 1 in 2

grand geode
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i think

astral zodiac
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At least with negative it doesn't really matter

minor topaz
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thats so bad considering even now you can get stuff that just totally doesnt fit your fun 70% of the time

empty brook
#

yeah absolutely

minor topaz
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and I know, I'm an Anaglyph main

empty brook
#

this game has improved a lot!

spice spear
#

someone should make a mod that plays a toilet noise whenever you play a flush

empty brook
#

I TOO ENJOY *ENTIRE HALF OF MY SCREEN IS COVERED IN TAGS*

minor topaz
#

I unlocked all the decks so fast so I could get it haha

empty brook
#

glyph being in the demo and also being one of the last decks you unlock was cruelty to me

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CRUELTY, i say!

minor topaz
#

Localthunk took it away from me, he knew what he was doing

empty brook
#

but also it definitely surged me towards beating higher stakes sooner

minor topaz
#

100%

empty brook
astral zodiac
#

I'm only up to Zodiac but I feel like each new deck makes it easier to beat higher stakes. Maybe that's the point

empty brook
#

hmm. i don't know if i agree with that actually

spice spear
#

I got tired of the normal decks after I finished red Deck so now I'm doing Erratic Deck

empty brook
#

some of the last unlockable ones definitely are quite good, but i think a lot of the basic decks are very strong

astral zodiac
#

Maybe it's just that I'm getting a little better so I end up with higher scoring runs each time.

empty brook
#

Zodiac i would also not agree with being stronger than most

astral zodiac
#

I lost soooo many times with Yellow and people seem to love it

minor topaz
empty brook
#

Yellow is really good at higher stakes, since at higher stakes you die at early antes so easily

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and yellow goes "what if you didn't. what if early ante was okay actually"

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but if you're playing at lower stakes, it's benefits don't matter as much, yeah

astral zodiac
#

I get it now 🙂

empty brook
#

the absolute best deck right now

is erratic if your luck is insane

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BUT in actuality it's more up for debate lmao

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i'm of the opinion it's probably Plasma

white scarab
#

Checkered imo

#

might be the best

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For consistency

empty brook
#

checkered is also really good yeah

spice spear
#

plasma is probably the statistically best due to the way numbers work

white scarab
#

For high score definitely Plasma, and for fun likely erratic for me too

empty brook
#

plasma really will go "i have a single chip joker! i can now beat ante 4"

minor topaz
#

I think purely for high scores Plasma is best, but not easiest imo bc of the scaling and the intuitive change in thinking in order to maximize it's potential

rigid jewel
#

Erratic and Ghost deck are by far the most fun decks to play

minor topaz
#

Erratic and Checkered are the easiest to build runs around I think. Erratic is better if you're a bit lucky

#

Imoooooo

empty brook
#

Ghost was my first win on gold; i appreciate the immediate polychrome

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i used to play a lot of Abandoned, but man

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one too many times of skipping for a polychrome/holographic/rare joker and getting something based on face cards made me too pissed

minor topaz
#

(this was pre-made) my personal tier-list

empty brook
#

Painted is actually so much better than i gave it credit for originally

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lower stakes? kinda mid

#

higher stakes? Oh My God I Get To Play The Game

undone dawn
#

painted is fun

empty brook
#

meanwhile black deck is the opposite

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when i was a white stake only player: "i love this deck"

undone dawn
#

blackdeck is fine

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but i hate early game

empty brook
#

now, me, the high stake player: 😢

minor topaz
#

black is probably bottom-tier

empty brook
#

yeah the early game is like. the hardest part of high stakes lmao

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especially gold stake

undone dawn
#

late game black deck runs are fine

#

but the econ loss early game is digusting

empty brook
#

i'm of the opinion black deck is one of the worst options for gold stake, just because you don't often NEED the help late game as much anyways

minor topaz
#

they can be if you're lucky, but so can any deck

empty brook
#

so many runs are lost in the early antes on gold stake

minor topaz
#

every deck can beat gold

empty brook
#

oh yeah, absolutely

minor topaz
#

but black probably not the greatest

empty brook
#

i think black deck just looks at the challenges with gold and makes them both more extreme

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you will die like 90 times in ante 1, and then you'll get to ante 5 one time and win that run

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which sounds great--but there's this crazy thing: when i open up Balatro, i want to play Balatro

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black deck on gold stake is me going on random.org like 50 times and when it hits 50 i finally start playing balatro

minor topaz
#

yeah I feel that haha

empty brook
#

yellow and painted both let me play the game, so i appreciate them a lot

undone dawn
#

yellow is fun

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painted is interesting

minor topaz
#

I mostly stay away from gold stake in general for that reason. I will probably eventually test myself to beat it with every deck but man it's so tough

empty brook
#

i disliked Painted up until i started playing higher stakes

empty brook
#

completionist+ (beat gold stake with every deck) is already a lot

undone dawn
#

increased hand size is really undervalued tbh

undone dawn
#

being able to more consistantly draw minimzes rng so much

empty brook
#

oh--beat gold stake with every single Joker

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not simultaneously, but

undone dawn
#

you get a gold sticker when you beat gold stake with a joker

empty brook
#

i think like. 5 people have the achievement at this point?

undone dawn
#

and you have to collect all of them

minor topaz
#

and directors cut sometimes

empty brook
#

it's both high difficulty and high rng

#

i can't wait to finally get it in the year 2045

undone dawn
minor topaz
#

yeah the paintbrush is my top 1 voucher lol

#

its so good

empty brook
#

Paintbrush is great, absolutely

#

i really like overstock too

minor topaz
#

sorry, except for maybe the shop sale on a flush run

empty brook
#

one thing i enjoy about overstock is that it refreshes the shop when you buy it

undone dawn
minor topaz
#

overstock also baller

empty brook
#

so if you have 2 things in shop, buy both, then buy overstock

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you get 3 new options

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so you can get a bit of a reroll in there

empty brook
#

that's an awful image!!

undone dawn
empty brook
#

anyways--one thing i'm trying to do more and more with Balatro is study how the game is, and what avenues of play are oftentimes underrepresented, for one reason or another

undone dawn
#

so much more RNG because no negatives

empty brook
#

and that's how i try to design jokers and decks

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my Dice Deck i made because lucky cards are really hard to use in a lot of builds--so i wanted a deck that COULD use them better. not forced to use them as their main strategy, but they're more reliable

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and also because i never take oops! and i wanted a deck to finally make me take it

spice spear
#

the content process for ShamPack is literally "that'd be cool, let's make it!" and then it gets made (eventually)

empty brook
#

i'm still searching out more concepts i'd be fine making decks for, but it's something i care about a lot--so i don't make many decks, even though i have like 20+ ideas running through my head

minor topaz
empty brook
#

pairs, you say...

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why, i might just have a joker in development that tickles that fancy....

spice spear
#

<--- hasn't played shampack in weeks

minor topaz
#

Pair builds seem unsupported lol

empty brook
#

i should probably play shampack soon....

minor topaz
#

pretty much entirely

empty brook
#

Pairs are pretty good, but they're definitely not the Big High Score Run

spice spear
#

people look at Mild Cards in ShamPack and are immediately like "what the fuck? those suck. why would you use them?"

empty brook
#

i wonder if i have the screenshot of The Ol' One-Two lying around....

spice spear
#

and then you actually use Mild Cards and are like "damn, these are surprisingly helpful"

minor topaz
#

I feel like maybe green joker supernova run with some silly red mult would make it work but it still doesnt feel awesome

empty brook
spice spear
#

cards with no suit

minor topaz
#

ahhhh for straights?

spice spear
#

they're generated by certain effects in the mod, and they're simply just another enhancement

minor topaz
#

so you dont get flushes?

spice spear
#

so anything that creates cards with an enhancement can create them

minor topaz
#

in general

spice spear
spice spear
empty brook
#

holy shit

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Dank you've sold me on them.

minor topaz
#

yeah that makes sense. thats why I said straights feel a lil weak too, bc they often naturally become straight flushes in the end game

undone dawn
empty brook
#

i'm downloading the mod pack right now.

minor topaz
#

in my experience

spice spear
#

and you're not even required to interface with them in any way which is what a lot of people get hung up on

empty brook
#

this isn't a joke, i genuinely hate playing five-of-a-kind builds because at some point the game forces me into having Flush Five because i keep Deathing my good cards

spice spear
#

you're not REQUIRED to use them

empty brook
#

but if i can simply remove the suit....

spice spear
#

now keep in mind that it takes up the enhance slot

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so don't fill your ENTIRE deck with them

undone dawn
#

which is a lot

spice spear
#

but if you no longer want to see a certain suit...

minor topaz
#

I will now fill my ENTIRE deck with them

undone dawn
#

especially in glass decks

empty brook
minor topaz
#

this is the perfect card

empty brook
#

A small price to pay for victory.

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and also play five-of instead of four-of

minor topaz
#

There should be a playing card-only Edition that makes the card a Wild Rank

spice spear
#

you would only need one of them to be Mild for it to not be a flush!

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so the other 4 can continue to be enhanced and sauced up

empty brook
#

wild rank is an incredibly cursed sentence

minor topaz
#

:))))))))

spice spear
#

and plus, Vampire slurps the Mild Enhancement off the card

undone dawn
#

its like x8 mult

spice spear
#

AND YOU ALWAYS (not always) GET FIVE OF THEM AT A TIME!

empty brook
#

what if i don't WANT glass. what if i want my cards to remain Great and Pure and Not Broken To Sharp Bits Which Hurt My Hands

undone dawn
#

glass is a fun build though

empty brook
#

have you ever held a glass card, flop? they're not crisp.

spice spear
undone dawn
#

only issue is that it needs dna

undone dawn
spice spear
#

you're not required to interact with it!

undone dawn
spice spear
#

hell, we're eventually going to be decoupling Mild Cards from ShamPack just in case people want to make MORE content for Mild Cards to be used in!

empty brook
#

a true good samaritan...

empty brook
empty brook
#

they are boxing gloves

minor topaz
#

that do be lookin like testicles

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or boxing gloves

#

or both

empty brook
#

it's placeholders!!!!

spice spear
#

testicular torsion joker

minor topaz
#

^one of these mfs (also if you know what this is you're based and cute)

spice spear
#

I wish you had said that not as a reply

empty brook
#

i need to make Mean Jimbo work so i can curse this world with him.

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y'all need him.

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does anyone here know how to make a localization-changing mod

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this has genuinely been my White Whale, somehow being more difficult a nut for me to crack than actual gameplay mechanics

heavy flax
#

No but one time i printed Hello World in C# so im sure i can figure it out

empty brook
#

i agree, that sounds like it's about the same level of expertise required

heavy flax
#

Tbf the only knowledge you need for coding is CTRL+C CTRL+V

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I mean what

empty brook
#

LOOK. I READ THE KOREAN TRANSLATION MOD.

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I TRIED.

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I TRIED!!!!

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nothing worked......

#

i genuinely think i have put more hours into trying to make a stupid silly mod which changes the quotes Jimbo says after you lose
than any other mod i've done stuff for lmao

heavy flax
empty brook
#

genuinely the Mean Jimbo mod makes me less tilted, despite the fact it has Jimbo say even meaner things

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becuase it's really fucking funny

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((to clarify: the way i "got it working" initially is by just changing the actual localization files in the game's directory. this is not how you make a mod, but it was nice for testing))

spice spear
#

ty mods for taking care of that

empty brook
#

did i miss tomfoolery

spice spear
#

porn bots

empty brook
#

alas! even in balatro we cannot escape them...

wanton rapids
#

ok the gros michel deck back looks amazing

rigid jewel
#

Joker and voucher based backs always look good

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Still personally proud of this deck back (based on Glow Up)

astral glade
#

very normal deck

wanton rapids
#

winning run with gros michel deck

empty brook
#

i'm very glad i bullied you suggested it lmao

heavy flax
#

whoever made lush jokers i would like to thank you for the code that i will be stealing to learn how to make a mod

pastel wolf
#

Mood

rigid jewel
#

Made a working freezer joker (although the implementation is a little scuffed for Seltzer)

pastel wolf
#

Sweet, allow me to steal the code balatrojoker

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Lmao i kid

#

Idk if i'll make hibachi have an effect like that yet

rigid jewel
#

Not that difficult funny enough

heavy flax
rigid jewel
#

Oh yeah

heavy flax
#

he even looks like ronald mcdonald so its fitting

rigid jewel
#

That's just the default joker skin from Balatro Reshuffled mod xdd

heavy flax
#

all the more reason to change it to a happy meal

#

i feel so validated rn

#

theres a random error that i have no idea how happened

#

its like im a real coder

#

oml

rigid jewel
#

Welcome to modding

heavy flax
#

it gave me an error for missing a curly bracket when i was missing a quote and a comma

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T~T

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whats the C: thingy for the default color

wanton rapids
#

{} empty

rigid jewel
#

No need

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Default is well, default

#

oh

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If you mean set it to default then yea

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{}

heavy flax
#

well

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apparently C:black also works unless its just defaulting from an error 🤷‍♀️

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oh nvm it is just defaulting from error

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well fun fact

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you can put hidden messages in the color tags

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the more you know

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any advice on how i can make this description more concise?

heavy flax
#

what do you use to edit the lua files

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ive been using notepad T~T

hardy brook
#

This peaked my curiosity

heavy flax
#

jimbo became trans T~T

hardy brook
#

Ah

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So why the “T~T”?

heavy flax
#

thats like

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ironic crying

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like 😭 but emoticon

empty brook
# ocean torrent whats that sad paridolia?

Objectification, a Joker that i will probably not program for a long while, because the effect is very ambitious and really hard to code properly

Objectification
Uncommon
All cards count as every
numbered card.
(Ace, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)

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it was meant to be a simple idea, essentially taking how Pareidolia lets non-face cards get face benefits, and do that, but for number stuff

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so you can play a king and a 7, and they get Walkie Talkie's benefits and are retriggered by Hack

#

but, unfortunately, numbers aren't tags, unlike how face is

pastel wolf
#

plays a bunch of random cards and gets a straight

empty brook
#

nah--same as pareidolia, it just counts for the purposes of effects

#

so it's relevant for jokers and p much nothing else; again, same as parei

pastel wolf
#

Every card works with scholar

empty brook
#

yep!

pastel wolf
#

Uh boy

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Sock and buskin, hack

empty brook
#

i did a headcount of the number of jokers it affects, and face cards i think had just 1 more, iirc

#

or maybe numbered had one more

pastel wolf
#

Wait no s&b doesnt count

#

Thats faces

empty brook
#

there's a surprisingly even distribution between "works for specific numbers" and "works for face cards" in jokers

#

what you should ACTUALLY be pointing out is the fact it breaks one specific joker

pastel wolf
#

Oh does it

#

I can't tell off the top of my head

empty brook
#

this one

pastel wolf
#

Oh of course

#

52g a turn

empty brook
#

cloud 9 is the biggest balance issue with the concept

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but it's irrelevant anyways if i can't code the joker to work properly anyways

pastel wolf
#

Well cloud 9 is a post round joker

#

So you could make it only in the gamearea

empty brook
#

personally my favorite possible synergy is with sixth sense though

pastel wolf
#

Free thinning is nice

empty brook
#

i think it sounds really fun to use sixth sense every single round, constantly burning different cards and getting a bunch of spectrals

#

8 ball is also an exceptional one

pastel wolf
#

Ive got plenty of jokers that i haven't got ideas for yet

#

I'm coming up on 2 collection pages worth of art lmao

empty brook
#

Objectification, if i make it, might be stronger synergy-wise, so it may end up becoming a rare joker instead of uncommon

#

buuuut it's hard to say

#

and again, either way, doesn't matter if i can't code it in the first place
it's been kind of hell to try and get it working

pastel wolf
#

A lot of them do have effect ideas

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Ive only coded a couple to work

#

Ive just been on another big art inspiration spree

empty brook
#

the only solution i've found so far is to make it so the mod adds in a new tag or some kind of joker override (like how pareidolia does) and then rewrites every single official number-using joker to use that when the mod is on

rigid jewel
empty brook
#

yeah exactly lmao

pastel wolf
#

Thats rough

rigid jewel
#

Not super hard on the technical side but so many jokers

empty brook
#

oh there's only like

#

10

#

the number of them isn't a huge issue--really it's more so the fact that rewriting code for pre-existing stuff is genuinely a bit harder than just adding new things

#

and the fact it wouldn't be compatible with any modded jokers

#

((Outside of any i'd make alongside this one for the mod, ofc))

pastel wolf
#

I was gonna have a joker that gained xmult for every joker that had a name on the card, like business card

#

But that wouldve been weird

#

And not that good

empty brook
#

i do think niche synergy jokers are fun

#

anyways, to conclude the Objectification joker stuff: it's not a joker i'm fully giving up on yet

#

but it has been moved to my "Handle This Much Later" projects list lol

pastel wolf
#

So i changed it up, but not sure if its final yet

empty brook
#

hmmm

#

that seems pretty strong

pastel wolf
#

It counts as 1

ocean torrent
#

yeah but

empty brook
#

and so does odd todd

pastel wolf
#

Yup

heavy flax
#

what does this mean

empty brook
#

also the real answer: if i didn't include aces, it means the only joker in the entire roster which counts for ranks and would have a way to cheat them out

pastel wolf
empty brook
#

would be scholar and nothing else

heavy flax
empty brook
#

because everything else that includes aces counts something else too

ocean torrent
pastel wolf
empty brook
ocean torrent
#

ykwim tho

empty brook
#

yeah i don't have a counter argument for that

#

lol

pastel wolf
#

Probably because grim exists

heavy flax
empty brook
#

i guess i can just exclude scholar specifically

ocean torrent
#

rip schollar

pastel wolf
#

If it added aces too grim wouldn't need to exist

empty brook
#

he gets to go to the corner!!!!

pastel wolf
#

I get it tho

ocean torrent
#

what cards have synergy for numbered cards other than ride the buss?

empty brook
#

ride the bus doesn't actually; it has anti-face synergy, which is different

golden rain
#

does anyone know if any of these are non compatible

ocean torrent
#

what is infinite score?

golden rain
#

allows above e308

pastel wolf
ocean torrent
#

no way

golden rain
#

eys

#

yes

ocean torrent
golden rain
#

gotchu twin

ocean torrent
#

bro what

heavy flax
golden rain
#

MY BAD

ocean torrent
#

xDD

#

no wayy

#

lmaooo

empty brook
heavy flax
ocean torrent
pastel wolf
empty brook
#

yeah

#

correct

pastel wolf
#

As well as {} errors and such

ocean torrent
golden rain
ocean torrent
#

cuz it doesnt say face cards

empty brook
#

yes because face is a tag in the game

ocean torrent
#

same with hit the road

golden rain
heavy flax
#

how do i make the jokers appear on the collection screen

golden rain
#

wrong reply but right person

pastel wolf
#

Face is a tag, but k q and j are also things

ocean torrent
golden rain
#

MY BAD

#

free me

ocean torrent
#

not the first time its good

#

its fine

#

its just funny

golden rain
#

am i wrong

pastel wolf
empty brook
#

when i do eventually code objectification, i will have to debate on if cloud 9 should be an exception (makes no sense but balance-wise works) or if i should just let it rock (it IS one specific joker, and while money is very important, it's not like money alone wins runs)

#

but for now, i will code Other Things

pastel wolf
#

I reckon it shouldn't work

#

Cuz its post round calc

heavy flax
#

im legitimately so dumb

pastel wolf
#

But idk how you'd make it an exception

empty brook
#

code-wise that'd be easy lmao

#

i can just. not rewrite cloud 9

#

but i think it's very unintuitive to say it excludes cloud 9

pastel wolf
heavy flax
# pastel wolf Why

i forgot to actually update the png name when i changed it in the .lua T~T

pastel wolf
#

Ah lol

empty brook
#

oh i get that man....

#

genuinely every time i make a new mod i get a crash because i forget to set a variable lmao

pastel wolf
#

Ive got about

#

More than 15 jokers with no effects coded yet

#

Its been art hours

heavy flax
#

wut

#

also sorry localthunk for the useless crash reports T~T

pastel wolf
#

Lol ive also sent him about 1590

#

I dont know how to turn it off

heavy flax
#

its in the settings menu T~T

pastel wolf
#

I couldn't see it

#

Maybe i need stronger glasses

heavy flax
#

i couldve sworn it was there

#

maybe im on crack

#

mightve accidentally smoked some oopsies

#

my dumb ass REMOVED LUSHUTILS WHEN IT WAS NECESSARY FOR THE CODE IM NOT STEALING

foggy rapids
#

man i wish i knew how to mod

#

i would love to add some stuff to the game

heavy flax
#

i have no idea how to mod

foggy rapids
#

coding is hard lol

#

and artwork

#

im terribad at even pixel art

heavy flax
#

pixel art is just art for people with math brains

foggy rapids
#

what language is the game coded in?

#

i kinda wanted to try to start learning C#

heavy flax
#

Lua? (I dont even know im just learning how to use it as i go)

foggy rapids
#

is that an engine or coding language?

#

i have no idea lol

heavy flax
#

Why are you asking me 😭

weak egret
heavy flax
foggy rapids
#

interesting

pastel wolf
#

It is in lua

#

Lua is quite easy

#

Considering i also had no prior experience to coding and picked it up quite fast

rare shell
#

had a jumpscare just now with my pc's cooling fans grinding like hell

#

thought balatro finally had ruined my pc

pastel wolf
#

And pixel art is just.. art with frustratingly less detail

golden rain
#

does anyone know what mod adds this

pastel wolf
#

Wood lookin ahh card

rare shell
golden rain
#

what does it do?

rare shell
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

golden rain
#

hell yea

rare shell
#

look at the mod page

#

havent played it much myself

grand geode
hardy brook
#

Madman

rigid jewel
#

YES I AM

#

(although there's a 50/50 chance that my mom overrides reshuffle cause I haven't messed with the textures yet and they're still loaded xdd)

hardy brook
#

I have the most cursed Balatro mod idea because of your username

#

Your name reminded me of all 6s doubling

#

So i thought “What if All Ones existed and halved”

strong swift
#

that exists in jellymod lmao

hardy brook
#

So i then thought… “What if every Jokerhad a negative”

hardy brook
#

Lol

strong swift
#

fair, just kinda funny

hardy brook
#

Yeah

white scarab
#

A small chance for buffed jokers to spawn would also be a cool mod

hardy brook
#

It is

white scarab
#

Like they get better versions of their abilities

hardy brook
#

Instead of “Ride the Bus”, it’s “Kicked off the Bus” or something and it forces you to only face cards

rigid jewel
#

Wait you're cooking

hardy brook
#

Exactly

strong swift
#

imagine if negative reversed abilities

#

instead of adding slots

hardy brook
#

Pyrite Joker: steals $4 and adds to mult

#

Because I want these to still be good

rigid jewel
#

Hmm

#

What could Showman be?

minor topaz
#

it could just be a modifier to the number and the modifier is different depending on if it's blue, red, or red mult

white scarab
#

That might be busted

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Or, “cards in shops and packs will not be repeated during each ante”

strong swift
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duplicate jokers cant spawn balatrojoker

hardy brook
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Basically the voucher on a joker

stray olive
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This might be best called a modding question--are save files easy to edit? My purpose at the moment is copying over some unlocks I've done on my Switch file since I've been splitting time between Switch and Steam

white scarab
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Playing on that a bit: Playing cards in shops may have editions and seals

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Since the vouchers can’t do that

hardy brook
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Balatro? Nah this is Ortalab

rigid jewel
white scarab
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Just enhancements

rigid jewel
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"Short Sell" (Inverse of To The Moon)

  • Uncommon
  • Gives 0$ at end of round. Gains 1$ per 5$ spent in the previous shop.
    Not fully sure on effect but definitely like the core idea of basing the inverse of To The Moon off of short selling stocks
grand geode
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okayyyy new effect

rare shell
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90%

grand geode
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this cannot change the +X Mult of jokers though

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it works for playing cards and editions but not jokers

rigid jewel
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Makes sense

grand geode
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ah the text

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effect still works on jokers, just the text cannot be changed

rigid jewel
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Oh yeah

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Only altering self.ability or the joker config will

grand geode
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feeling extra evil so bumping it to 80%

rigid jewel
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Cook

grand geode
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since it's *0.8, technically it can also bring Xmult below 1

rigid jewel
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This would murder any Baseball Card or Baron spam build

grand geode
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yeah they get fucking CRIPPLED

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but they're too powerful anyways it's only fair

rigid jewel
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I wonder if it is possible to alter the joker text to reflect how much mult they're actually giving

grand geode
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it doesn't feel worth it for me to change it

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actually-

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ugh regex

grand geode
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okay it's genuinely not worth it to change

rigid jewel
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I thought that maybe whatever function gets called for displaying it might work but...

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Half the jokers don't use it

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And I have no idea how tf it works

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xdd

grand geode
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yknow maybe i can tamper the localize function itself

rigid jewel
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huh

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I wonder

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If loc_target = G.localization.misc.v_dictionary_parsed[args.key] should always return as either an int or a float

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If so this can get reduced by 80% if this is the present blind

grand geode
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string

rigid jewel
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nooo

grand geode
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everything in G.localization is a string

rigid jewel
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ok not there

grand geode
rigid jewel
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HAHAA

grand geode
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IT'S SO FUCKING CURSED

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BUT IT WORKS

rigid jewel
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On a scale of 1 to 10, how scuffed is the implementation?

grand geode
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4

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ah. it also affects playing cards if i do it like this

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and there's no way to differentiate between jokers and playing cards 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

proven wing
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any of you modding wizards able to decipher what each of the editions are doing? im staring at the FS file for the negative shader
i wanna be able to replicate the effects

grand geode
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nope - never touched shaders

proven wing
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in like drawing form i kinda just want to spit the texture out into an image

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damn

ruby thorn
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is there a mod that tells you the total points you will have if you press play the hand

proven wing
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doesnt seem like it from a quick skim

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if your able to do the maths you might be able to do it manually

rigid jewel
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No but there's a Balatro calculator

spiral dune
lapis jay
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Is there a mod that I could get the link to that disables crap tags on ante one

wanton rapids
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rock and stone joker
stone cards give $3 when played

winter hearth
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uum, can someone explain why this exists?

past tendon
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guess thunk created that function just in case he would need to modify the mult someday

winter hearth
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yea, maybe

past tendon
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Checking the code made me realize how complex games can be. Balatro isn't even a big game but I feel like I know nothing about how the code works

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And I haven't even checked GUI related code chunks lmao

fervent owl
grand geode
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yeaaa prolly will cap it at X1

wheat wolf
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how do you guys mod the game? my device always think the mod injector as virus

empty brook
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yeah that happens

tacit mountain
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I did not even knew Steamodded was shared on Steam lol

grand geode
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i love the linux guide

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peak oak
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Hello can someone help me where I can find the base joker card no background and only the 2 joker word?

strong swift
peak oak
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Okay thanks

strong swift
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np

peak oak
grand geode
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there's no high quality

peak oak
grand geode
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just scale the image up

peak oak
grand geode
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use any image editing tool (NOT PAINT)

peak oak
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Even not high quality

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But the joker word

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No background just 2 joker word and border

grand geode
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here's a blank joker card i have in my mod files

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this is the highest the game will register

peak oak
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Do you have a blank but no white background?

grand geode
peak oak
peak oak
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Thorned Tribute

Effects: +2 Mult For Every Club Discard

Uncommon

rare shell
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that art is fantastic but unfortunately its sized wrong

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the joker template that was provided is 2x and the art here is 1x

burnt gale
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Is there a place where I can start to learn about how to mod Balatro? I'm a software engineer and have some experience in Lua, but not a whole lot, but if there's a guide to get started somewhere, I'd appreciate getting pointed towards it happyshy

tacit mountain
burnt gale
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Also, thanks everyone for the 11K Download on Steamodded 🥳 ! The project have gone way more popular than expected. I know it's still messy and it will need big improvements but it will come over the time. For now, I need to focus a little bit more on my pro and personal life so new updates will take a little bit of time to come. Btw, the project is still searching for new Maintainers so feel free to DM me.

hardy brook
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Didn't know we had so many emotes

strong swift
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gold_seal it also has the outdated gold seal

hardy brook
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Alright so gameplan

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Gonna try and get some people together to help me build Balatro Archived and Ortalab

wild thunder
rare shell
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the heck is ortalab