⚙・modding-general

[solemn maple]

i can't wait for profile-specific modloader

[proud wadi]

I just renamed my modloaded .exe to balatro-modded.exe, it created its own folder in %appdata% separate from my main, unmodded game

[kind night]

close to getting a joker in but cant seem to get the localization text to load

[proud wadi]

check my gist above, or myst's rkey mod

[solemn maple]

good idea i gotta remind myself to do that

[proud wadi]

here's myst's rkey mod https://github.com/Mysthaps/rkeyjoker/blob/main/RKeyJoker.lua

I did something slightly different (so I wasn't overwriting the base/core Jokers.png, or using that asset atlas for my art), it's not 100% perfect or done, but it does load in my card's art without touching the rest of the jokers (so it would play nice with other joker mods): https://gist.github.com/theVDude/d6dab9f8ec49091616b7248d84489111

[rigid jewel]

matelote also make a joker mod and the localization part of it is available

[proud wadi]

the problem is that it does technically touch the rest of the jokers

i'm currently not fully convinced that my jokers are showing up, so i'm setting the banned cards to almost all the jokers so I can try to reroll for my custom ones

[carmine flare]

do they show in collection?

[proud wadi]

yeah

but after over 100 rerolls in the shop, with them set to common, I didn't see them not a single time

yeah, they're 100% not showing up in the shop

I just banned everything except the primary joker and lusty/gluttonous/greedy/wrathful, picked those 5 up, and rolled the shop, which should give me any other valid joker but there's nothing it will give me but normal joker. Buffoon pack also has jokers.

so i'm missing something somewhere

[carmine flare]

i think you have to add them to their P_JOKER_RARITY_POOLS

i will test and let you know

[proud wadi]

Ahh, I just copied from the rkey mod, I didn't actually look at how they're selected

[carmine flare]

same lmao

this line in game.lua is what im going to replicate

if v.rarity and v.set == 'Joker' and not v.demo then table.insert(self.P_JOKER_RARITY_POOLS[v.rarity], v) end

[proud wadi]

ahh, makes sense. let me throw that in and see if it works (since i've already added basically every joker to the ban list)

  -- Add Jokers to center
  for k, v in pairs(vJokers) do
      v.key = k
      v.order = #G.P_CENTER_POOLS['Joker'] + 1
      G.P_CENTERS[k] = v
      table.insert(G.P_CENTER_POOLS['Joker'], v)
      table.insert(G.P_JOKER_RARITY_POOLS[v.rarity], v)
  end

worked for me

[carmine flare]

yup

[proud wadi]

now I can actually copy the effects over

well, actually, now i can call it a night, i'm sick of looking at vscode

[grand geode]

ah icic

again i didn't test my mod very thoroughly

so this is good to know

[pastel wolf]

alright

lets see if i can make this wokrk

[wicked plank]

how do i mod balatro?

can anyone help

[proud wadi]

I shared a bit of code that makes photograph/wee/half joker all not do their size stuff, i get it

[proud wadi]

Install https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded the mod loader (follow instructions on github), look at examples on github or from the #1209506514763522108 channel

[hybrid widget]

ah, thats why a couple of the jokers looked weird when i was messing with it

[proud wadi]

yeah, i think i included a comment that says "you could do this for just your custom jokers but i'm lazy", don't be lazy and only reload the sprites for the custom jokers

[rigid jewel]

Ok I think I found a way to fix this

Might be able to finally get to making art

wait why is htr not scoring

Please code please leave me be let me have a functional joker

[lunar fable]

i need some help with the deck creator mod. wont shop ou in the mods list

nvm got it working

[rigid jewel]

OKAY FINALLY

I think I can say that this joker works

Time for the art

Note that it doesn't include the hand scoring part that people thought it had cause I still can't figure that out

[carmine flare]

why avoid overriding calculate_joker?

[rigid jewel]

So if someone mad their own custom joker it doesn't run the risk of incompatibility.

[hushed furnace]

i made half joker only count as 0.5 jokers for stencil and abstract, they both work correctly and stencil displays correctly but i can't get the text on abstract to match. any ideas on how to get the localization stuff to match the calculations in the card function?

[pastel wolf]

Alllright

[carmine flare]

yes, you have to override generate_UIBox_ability_table

it's a weird function to override, i got it to work in my mod but it's not pretty and may cause issues i haven't done enough testing to be sure https://github.com/lusciousdev/LushMod/blob/main/LushMod.lua

[pastel wolf]

time to try fixing this ability'

I'm not sure how to reword this

i think its doing the whole suit check and set before activating the ability

[carmine flare]

what is the intended effect?

[pastel wolf]

Text is here

It needs to store the first scored card's suit, then on the next hand, check the suit, and if its different, trigger the ability

[carmine flare]

you probably need to check if you're in the hand after checking if the context is individual

if context.cardarea == G.hand then ...

wait G.play not G.hand

[pastel wolf]

if i'm in the hand?

uh

[carmine flare]

in the played cards

[pastel wolf]

its just the first card

[carmine flare]

i said hand meant played cards

[pastel wolf]

ah

[carmine flare]

in card.lua it goes

  if context.cardarea == G.play then
    ...
  end
end```

that might not be the fix but it might prevent a bug down the line

and then context.other_card is the card it's checking in the calculate_joker call, you could look at something like the idol code. check if the context.other_card equals the first played card then check if the suit is different than the suit saved in the joker's data

[pastel wolf]

do i need to throw context.scoring_hand in there at all?

Sorry i'm very new to this whole coding thing i'm pretty much trying to build it with context

[carmine flare]

since you're checking if the first scored card is a different suit, yeah

[pastel wolf]

oh of course cuz you're looking in the hand

would it look anything like

if context.scoring_hand > 0 and context.other_card ~= context.scoring_hand[1].suit then

[carmine flare]

  if context.other_card == context.scoring_hand[1] then
    if not context.other_card:is_suit(self.ability.extra.suit) then
      <do the mult>
    end
    self.ability.extra.suit = context.other_card.suit
  end
end```

that's my best guess of how it would work

context.other_card == context.scoring_hand[1] checks that we are looking at the first card in the scoring hand

[pastel wolf]

oh i had scoring hand in there twice

my brain didn't register that scoring_hand[1] was already looking at the scoring hand

[carmine flare]

that's my best guess at what the code would look like you can test and tweak it if it's not working

[rigid jewel]

Also you don't need to have all those if statements you can just check if they're all true.

Basically all the jokers ingame are handled in this manner

[pastel wolf]

which ones?

[rigid jewel]

    context.other_card == context.scoring_hand[1] 
    and not context.other_card:is_suit(self.ability.extra.suit) then
        <do mult>
    end
    self.ability.extra.suit = context.other_card.suit
end```

ugn doscord format

why

[carmine flare]

well you want to set the suit even if the watercolor effect is not triggered. that's why it's in the same block as the check that we're looking at the first card

[rigid jewel]

oh yeah

[carmine flare]

you could combine the ability name check and the first card check

[rigid jewel]

wait AHH

It is to late to code

damnit

At least the first two if statements can merge and the last one can stay

[pastel wolf]

is this end supposed to be down here?

or does that end it before the mult goes off?

[hushed furnace]

ended up having to also rework how abstract functions under the hood but it worked

[carmine flare]

nice

[pastel wolf]

Cuz mult doesn't go off. Is there a way to check if the suit is being stored when the hand is played?

[hushed furnace]

it's still functionally the same just now it supports exceptions to its rules

[carmine flare]

  if context.other_card == context.scoring_hand[1] then
    local last_suit = self.ability.extra.suit
    self.ability.extra.suit = context.other_card.suit
    if not context.other_card:is_suit(last_suit) then
      return ...
    end
  end
end```

i think that would help. the self.ability.extra.suit = context.other_card.suit has to come before the return or else it'll never happen. so you need to create a local variable to hold the value before you overwrite it

[pastel wolf]

Ah okay

[carmine flare]

also, you have an error on the line

if context.other_card = context.scoring_hand[1].suit then,

the equals sign needs to be a double equals and the .suit needs go get removed. it should be

if context.other_card == context.scoring_hand[1] then

[pastel wolf]

hmm

still doesn't do the mult

[carmine flare]

does it give a visual indication when the card triggered?

[pastel wolf]

it doesnt trigger

[rare hill]

I found the reason for your custom joker atlases not working, just sent a PR to steamodded that should fix it

[carmine flare]

if you look at the return in the idol code it looks like

    x_mult = self.ability.extra,
    colour = G.C.RED,
    card = self
}```

you could try copying that but with self.ability.extra.xmult

[rare hill]

(this, specifically, and the problem is that the atlas is preset here for jokers and vouchers)

[pastel wolf]

Except idol procs it on the card doesnt it?

not on the joker?

interestingly enough, idol doesn't function

No jokers seem to function

i may have a larger issue

maybe i put return calc_ref in the wrong spot

yeah, i moved it a bit and jokers seem to work now

[carmine flare]

yeah, if you put your code under elseif context.individual then ... it's going to be triggered on a card.

if you want it triggered on the joker you need to put it in the else condition of that big if...elseif...else statement in calculate_joker and then under if context.cardarea == G.jokers and then in the else statement of the if statement there.

this introduces some other issues, one I ran into is that the context.scored_hand value isn't set in that block. it gets a little technical.

[pastel wolf]

arg

[carmine flare]

if you look at my mod code https://github.com/lusciousdev/LushMod/blob/main/LushMod.lua

go down to the end of calculate_joker there's a card called "The Buffer", it checks if there's a 5 in the played hand, not the scored hand

i am still not sure if it's possible to get only the scored cards in that context

[pastel wolf]

this one here

[carmine flare]

yeah, it just loops through the played hand and increments a counter when it sees a 5

then adds +15 mult if the 5 count is >=1

[pastel wolf]

i see

[carmine flare]

the issue is played_hand is not scored_hand and idk how to work around that yet

[pastel wolf]

local value 'fives' is 0, if in context.full_hand is a 5, set local 'fives' to 1

if fives is 1 do mult

i see

so context.full_hand is played hand not scored hand

[carmine flare]

yeah, so the 5 doesn't have to score

[pastel wolf]

hmmmn

[carmine flare]

let me test this cause the more i look at the code the more i think scored_hand should be assigned

[pastel wolf]

I'm not sure it is

i'm not sure there's a joker that procs like this

[grand geode]

the closest i can think of is Photograph

[pastel wolf]

That's still individual though

[grand geode]

oh wait

[pastel wolf]

i thought walkie talkie

[grand geode]

Midas Mask goes through full hand

[pastel wolf]

but that applies it to the card not the joker

[carmine flare]

ok scoring_hand is set idk what i was doing earlier

[grand geode]

oh on the joker

[pastel wolf]

So i just need to move it from individual to joker

i guess?

but it still doesn't seem to proc

even on the card

[grand geode]

something's wrong...

[pastel wolf]

oop

I'm confused again

lmao

[carmine flare]

anyone know how the debug messages work

[pastel wolf]

Also what inside the return at the end specifies how much mult the card gets

[hushed furnace]

no, but for clarification which ones?

[carmine flare]

    local last_suit = self.ability.extra.suit

    self.ability.extra.suit = context.scoring_hand[1].suit
    
    if last_suit ~= nil then
      if context.scoring_hand[1]:is_suit(last_suit) then
        return {
            message = localize{type='variable',key='a_xmult',vars={self.ability.extra.Xmult}},
            Xmult_mod = self.ability.extra.Xmult
        }
      end
    end
end

anyway this was my attempt at making the watercolor joker to work but i couldn't get it working

[grand geode]

Run Steamodded\debug\tk_debug_window.py

[pastel wolf]

I've picked the worst first joker to try mod apparently

[grand geode]

all messages sent via sendDebugMessage() will appear in that window

[carmine flare]

tyvm

[grand geode]

it's basically print() but clearly you can't print to a console here

[hushed furnace]

if context.scoring_hand[1]:is_suit(last_suit)

is this right?

[carmine flare]

i guess it should be not is_suit(last_suit)

[hushed furnace]

that's the only part that stands out to me

[grand geode]

okay now that i'm done with my thing can someone recap what we're trying to do

[pastel wolf]

i wish i could contribute more to this

[carmine flare]

i was just trying to help itsmythie with a joker

[hushed furnace]

i've been working on some small, mostly QoL stuff, here's what i've implemented so far:

• Madness gains the multiplier of another Madness if it eats it
• Half Joker counts as half of a joker for Abstract Joker and Joker Stencil
• Voucher Tag, Handy Tag, and Garbage Tag don't appear before ante 3
• Boss Tag doesn't appear before ante 2
• Burnt Joker and Sixth Sense shake when active
• Dusk and Acrobat shake when active
  if anyone has some similar ideas i'd love to hear. took a lot of these from suggestions

[grand geode]

can you send your .lua file over

[manic jasper]

I want to try to mod in at least some of the ideas I made in https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1210093881459216414, but I have no modding experience...

[pastel wolf]

Sure. i was trying to understand how make it a joker ability and not an individual, but im not quite wrapping my head around it

i've also got the wrong mult ability in there

[carmine flare]

i figured something out

when you get the context.scoring_hand[1].suit it should be context.scoring_hand[1].base.suit

    local last_suit = self.ability.extra.suit

    self.ability.extra.suit = context.scoring_hand[1].base.suit
    
    if last_suit ~= nil then
      sendDebugMessage(self.ability.extra.suit)
      sendDebugMessage(last_suit)
      if not context.scoring_hand[1]:is_suit(last_suit) then
        return {
            message = localize{type='variable',key='a_xmult',vars={self.ability.extra.Xmult}},
            Xmult_mod = self.ability.extra.Xmult
        }
      end
    end
end```

this triggers for me. not sure how if it works with wild cards though.

also i spelled watercolor the american way in my code so watch out for that

[pastel wolf]

That's fine i can see that

does the start of this look wrong?

[carmine flare]

yeah that elseif context.individual should just be an if

[pastel wolf]

oop, now i need another end

[carmine flare]

if you look at the code on github i shared earlier i included all the if...elseif statements from the balatro source to prevent any unintended contexts reaching the final else statement. my game was crashing before i added that

[pastel wolf]

this is what i just got

[carmine flare]

like i have all the elseifs but they do nothing

this may help prevent that

[pastel wolf]

what, adding all the elseifs?

[carmine flare]

yeah

essentially you just want to avoid a calculate_joker call that wouldn't make it to the else statement in the official game from making it there in your code

cause they all have different contexts and some may not have all the variables you rely on defined. like scoring_hand

[sudden shell]

all of those empty cases can't have any effect, regardless of context

[carmine flare]

not sure what you mean

[grand geode]

yeah i think in this case all the elseifs are needed

[woven sonnet]

Triboulain't

[carmine flare]

if calculate_joker gets called with end_of_round set to true but you don't have that case defined it'll fall through to the else statement. and all the jokers get evaluated at the end of round. so it's gonna call the joker ability but the end of round context wont have a scoring_hand

you could also check that all your context variables are defined/not nil i assume. i've never used lua so i don't know the specifics

[pastel wolf]

hmm

doesn't want to trigger still, i might've put the elseif wall in wrong though

[grand geode]

i believe this is the context for Flower Pot which should have the same conditions as Watercolo(u)r Joker
{cardarea = G.hand, full_hand = G.play.cards, scoring_hand = scoring_hand, scoring_name = text, poker_hands = poker_hands}

so yes all the elseifs are required

[pastel wolf]

how do i pull up the debug messages?

[grand geode]

.

[pastel wolf]

run as in

uhhh windows+r run?

or different run lmoa

at the risk of seeming like a bigger idiot

[grand geode]

.. do you have Python installed?

[pastel wolf]

.py

its been a long day

[grand geode]

ahh

install python eyah

[pastel wolf]

mmm

i'm drowning in all this coding stuff ahaha

[grand geode]

you will need to install the latest version of Python to be able to run the .py script that opens the debug window

[pastel wolf]

yup, i got python

[grand geode]

yea you can now run that script and it will open the tk window

[pastel wolf]

man i'm so not a coder

[grand geode]

:p

[pastel wolf]

maybe someone can see why this doesnt trigger, cuz i sure cant

[grand geode]

context.individual should be elseif

[pastel wolf]

killed itself when playing a second suit

i'm sorry, does that say an issue in line 135?

thats the xmult return

[grand geode]

define the Xmult in the extra field at the top

[pastel wolf]

uh

my ass does not understand

[little wharf]

idk anything about modding for this game but the error suggests that in the return message string "message" you are trying to pass a nil value, and when it tries to concat (combine) the strings to become one message, it crashes

[grand geode]

this

[little wharf]

meaning some variable following the message = is nil

[grand geode]

have Xmult = some value in the extra table

[pastel wolf]

oh this one up here?

[grand geode]

mhm

[pastel wolf]

ah i getcha

thanks

i was wondering where the number for the bonus came from

makes sense

i've put this in and it has the same issue

[grand geode]

suit doesn't exist either

[pastel wolf]

it doesnt?

ah shit

oh man do i have to define suits like seeing double does

which suit doesn't exist? i'm confused

cuz it's mentioned in other cards

[grand geode]

oh nono

just put suit in the extra

[pastel wolf]

oh

oh

cuz it says self.ability.extra is suit

i get what you mean

dammit same ccrash

does suit need to = something

[grand geode]

just put like "None"

[pastel wolf]

Huzzah

the effect works

thank you everyone

fuckin carried my ass there

One thing left to do for that card

and that's to fix the description so it displays the suit

i have an error

it does not trigger in order with other jokers

it just goes first

[mental solar]

this is some code that's from a deck example, i'm trying to edit it so aces are glass, not all cards, though i don't know how to do that, could i have some help? 😅

if more info is needed i can give it, though i don't know what information is needed to understand the problem. this is not my code.

[little wharf]

you probably are interested in the for loop, that loops thru every card and sets it ability to glass

you want to make a check if the card rank is ace then set it to glass

instead of every card

look at other code examples that check/modify rank to see how you might determine the rank of the card

[pastel wolf]

Is there something i have to plug into my code to make it wait for other jokers before playing?

Cuz even if the card is on the rightmost it still plays first

[grand geode]

no clue

[pastel wolf]

Maybe its because it's individual?

Ah idk

The effect works

Accomplishment enough for now

I should probably test it with wild cards too

Thanks a bunch for your help myst

[past tendon]

Isn't watercolor joker supposed to work like photograph (photograph procs when card is scored, before any other normal joker) ? If that's not the intended effect, I think the xmult shouldn't be applied in context.individual

[pastel wolf]

Its supposed to work like card sharp

Or any of the normal xmult cards

The order the family etc

I'll work out what its supposed to be tomorrow

[reef finch]

if one wished to get into modding, what would be a noob's guide to modding

or like first steps to take

[grand geode]

the game is still new so there aren't many resources to get started with modding yet

if you had prior experience with a programming language then lua os pretty easy all things considered, you can check the source code or existing mods to see how lua works

[reef finch]

thanks

[vernal urchin]

imo lua is so much harder than other conventional languages, its a mess getting to understand someones elses code

[grand geode]

oh really

lua to me is just worse python

[lean dune]

I doubt that's really about the language itself, more so your style and what you're used to reading

array indices starting at 1 is mad tho

[vernal urchin]

thts not that bad

everything being a table is very annoying tho, basically no static typing at all

comparing python and lua python is def cleaner, even tho they both serve simmiliar purposes

[lean dune]

eh, dynamic typing is fairly useful for modding

[vernal urchin]

f_02Shrug

true ig

[patent spruce]

im 1 hour new to modding 🙆‍♂️ i have no idea what im doing

[grand geode]

SOB

WHAT IS THIS

[karmic lynx]

We’ve gotta make cards mista white

[patent spruce]

this deck will be so fucked up to play

i imagine this snowballs very well in late game but it will kind of force you to change strategy mid early game

thats the first come that come up to my mind for a basic to code deck

right now its not entirely functional i need to figure out the inner workings a bit more

but its coming fast 💪 💪 💪

[karmic lynx]

It’s a pretty unique idea

I would try my hand at making some stuff myself but I have zero experience with Lua

[patent spruce]

me too :x im just making shit up

[grand geode]

i think this one wouldn't be too bad to setup tbh

[patent spruce]

Commiting to the bit has lead me to places I wouldn't even go with a gun

[patent spruce]

imagine getting hologram joker with this deck 🙆‍♂️

[proud wadi]

Real hero behavior here!

[hardy brook]

So it’s constantly the glass challenge but without the glass and instead meth?

[patent spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/madagascar-penguin-gif-10261724

perhaps

[hardy brook]

Downside: You’re losing the 2x mult per card.

Upside: You get more joker slots thanks to “Oops All 6s” not being there

And it’s breaking bad

[grand geode]

the discard gimmick can be gamebreaking

[patent spruce]

it can go insane yeah

[hardy brook]

Btw, 0 cards left in deck = Instant game over

Like many tcgs

[hushed furnace]

that's just real life

[rare hill]

yeah, as soon as the PR goes through it should Just Work - in the meantime if you want to copy the code within my PR there shouldn't be any issues from it being duplicated

[proud wadi]

just recalling set_sprites in set_ability is working for now, but it's good to know that it shouldn't be necessary once the PR goes through

[rare hill]

yeah, in effect the PR is doing a similar thing, just in a less janky position

(wrapping around set_sprites where the issue lies rather than set_ability)

[rare hill]

no discussion of debugging the source code.
looking at the combination of this and the collection menu with annoyance

[hushed furnace]

collection is bugged?

[muted vault]

I think if you find a bug via code you can still report it. Just explain the bug in plain terms rather than showing code or explaining with code examples?

if it is a "this code isn't optimal" kind of thing, I wouldn't say that qualifies

[rare hill]

aha

[white scarab]

Yep; I did this with seed searcher multiple times

[rare hill]

because yeah, what I found is stuff like the tarot collection using math.floor instead of math.ceil, and spectral cards going off of the number of tarot cards you have instead of the number of spectral

(and also math.floor for spectral)

[grand geode]

i still have no clue what counts as debugging source code

[rare hill]

it doesn't matter for the vanilla game because the number of cards is always set, but it instantly pops up once you start adding tarot or spectral cards

[muted vault]

I could see those being purposeful implementations. I don't know if those qualify as bugs

[rare hill]

math.floor prevents there from being a new tarot page until there are 11 new tarot cards or more

[muted vault]

I think the rule is in the spirit of "please don't rip my code apart and tell me why you think that doing it your way is better". just my guess

[rare hill]

and, again, the number of pages for spectral cards is based on the number of tarot cards you have, in a way that is DEFINITELY not intentional

[grand geode]

ic

[rare hill]

because it uses 9 instead of 11, when 9 is meant for spectral and 11 is meant for tarot, based on the rest of the code

[muted vault]

I would say find a practical way to reproduce this, and if you can do so without using code as an example, it is fair game to post to bug-reports. fwiw I have seen people comment about "bugs in the code" that weren't actually bugs.

Not saying you aren't correct, but put yourself in thunk's shoes. Repro it in the game and I think you can bubble it up to bug-reports

[rare hill]

So if it's not possible in vanilla I can't report it?

because it strictly cannot affect vanilla because the number of cards in the collection is static

it'll only affect thunk if they try to add more cards, which they may or may not

[muted vault]

Ah I see, yeah, I would say keep this in your back pocket in case more cards are added in the future where you can repro in vanilla, and/or create a fix for this for people playing modded and post about it in the #1209506514763522108 channel

I would give thunk the benifit of the doubt that they would address this if/when more cards were added to the base game

[rare hill]

yeah, I'll be making a fix mod, it's just gonna be really destructive coding which I don't like to do

[lean dune]

right, that thing...

same thing for planets applies

except it's just not paginated at all

adding 4 planet cards it would show 12/16 with exclam, but you can't get to the last 4 cards

[rare hill]

yeah, same with enhancements and seals as well, but that's at least more understandable since base game only needs one page

I'm mainly frustrated by the fact that I can't report the typos, because they are typos from copying and pasting code

[lean dune]

i ended up changing planets to 8 per page in six suits because I didn't want the second page to be that empty

so long as this isn't fixed, I guess it'd be better to have a fix mod instead of each mod that needs it destructively making that change

[rare hill]

the thing with spectral and tarot means that the number of spectral card pages LITERALLY depends on the number of tarot cards

yeah, that's what I'm working on rn

[lean dune]

yeah that's silly

literal copy/paste error

[rare hill]

probably going to just put it all in one function that gets called by all the menus rather than the copy/paste job that it's currently set up as (and no hard feelings about it being a lot of copying/pasting, but uhh yeah I'mma make a nicer version for myself)

[lean dune]

i have some stuff for the planet collection in #1210728178201526373 if that helps

[spice spear]

absolutely cursed thought but has anyone made a new hand type

[lean dune]

yes #1210728178201526373

still potenially unbalanced though

[spice spear]

ah yep you did basically exactly my idea

[hushed furnace]

i'm thinking about adding a handful of rocks (5 rocks)

[spice spear]

actually I wonder if that would be a 5 of a kind

[lean dune]

lol no

5 stones is just high card in base game

[spice spear]

damn

[lean dune]

as stones specifically have no rank and suit

[spice spear]

woulda been funny if it was a 5 of a kind (the kind is Nothingness)

[compact iris]

id love to see a 5 rocks hand with the related planet being asteroid belt

[hushed furnace]

how'd you know?

well, it was going to be kuiper belt

[compact iris]

search my history ive said it before, months ago haha

been in the back of my mind since

[hushed furnace]

not surprised other people have thought about it lol

[compact iris]

kuiper belt makes more sense as it has a proper name

[little wharf]

in the same way that a royal flush is a straight flush, there could be some specific hand like aces full of kings or kings full of queens that could be a special type

[compact iris]

if someone feels like implementing a whole system, there was talk about a "subhand" system months ago

[spice spear]

@rare hill (half joking)

[compact iris]

which would change the way planets work, making some of them more broad and adding more specific ones for nicknamed hands

like jupiter would have a significantly reduced effect but buff all flush related hands

[spice spear]

subhands could be moons...

[compact iris]

yeah you could do a flush moon that is w eaker but buffs all flush related hands

same with straights, pairs, etc

[rare hill]

Yeah, definitely seems possible but that'd be a bit of a system recode probably

[lean dune]

i mean i do have royal spectrum, that's the straight spectrum equivalent of royal flush

[compact iris]

oh yeah its an entirely new system

[spice spear]

other way around, the planets are the blanket buff, the moons are the subhand specific buffs

[compact iris]

ah gotcha

[rare hill]

although not really "hard", just needs some messing around to see how destructive it needs to be

[compact iris]

but yeah implmenting subhands in the right way could negate the issues of adding new hands

[lean dune]

subhands would be quite a chunk more work than #1210728178201526373 already was

[compact iris]

which then allows adding potentially dozens of nicknamed hands that could all score differently

[rare hill]

this kind of coding is literally my home turf, so I'm not that worried about that tbqh

[hushed furnace]

a saturn subplanet card for the great hexagon could be cool

[rare hill]

oh wait, actually, I just realized that subhands are a different thing than I thought you were talking about

[lean dune]

yeah on my part it's more just putting time I don't always have available to commit

[compact iris]

oh also if anyone wants more ideas, id love a pack of planet cards that are more generic than single hand, somewhere between black hole & planets

ive made the suggestion to localthunk a few times over the time ive been here

[rare hill]

I was thinking a system for stuff like the "includes a 3 pair" jokers, but if it's just a "hyperspecific hand" that should be totally fine to just wrap the functions and do

[little wharf]

like all flush types, all straight types, all pair types, all "of a kind" types?

[compact iris]

well the idea is you change the way the whole poker hand leveling system works so its more generic, and less targeted

[rare hill]

I mean, you could just make them star cards if you want the easy route

[compact iris]

which then allows you to add more specific hand types that dont get screwed by needing a hyperspecific planet card

[lean dune]

i thought this would go hard on the hand calc, but that's the easy part here

more so the way hands are managed and the planet system

[rare hill]

oh yeah that makes sense

[grand geode]

constellations?

[compact iris]

like a planet that specifically benefits nicknamed hands with low cards, like wheel (12345 straight) or one that benefits high value cards (royal flush)

[rare hill]

TRUE

[lean dune]

that's easy to add

[compact iris]

im sure it is, just sorta stream of consciousness remembering all the suggestions ive made lol

[lean dune]

it would just require splitting the hands

and probably making levels from the base hand carry over to the subhand

[hushed furnace]

or maybe a card that buffs named subhands in general would be cool

[lean dune]

imagine seance "if played hand is a royal flush"

[compact iris]

yeah thatd be lower effort and interesting, just a single celestial card that buffs all nicknamed hands, which would currently only be royal flush but could be expanded

and that buff would be stacked on top of the actual hand it pulls from

[lean dune]

if you count my mod in, also royal spectrum

but eh

[hushed furnace]

or even a joker

xmult if you play a named hand or something

[lean dune]

adding hand nicknames isn't out of the question, it's just a thing of whether you'd need to pass additional information to be able to check the displayed hand name against the actual hand name

no wait that doesn't work

because loc

[rare hill]

just add a "subhand" variable

almost everything is passed by table, I doubt this is an exception

[lean dune]

yeah we can probably pass that somewhere in an args table

shouldn't bee too big a deal

[rare hill]

Looks like the generic implementation idea's gonna work out

[rare hill]

ok, joker and tarot collection menus are reimplemented

gonna take a break to fix tarot sprites because that's what's bugging me now [edit: oh. That was a typo on my fix specifically in the mod. It's working now, and the PR had it fixed anyway]

oh god generate_card_ui is gonna need a full recode (within a mod) at some point, since there's no clean way to hook into it

at this point Steamodded's gonna have a ton and a half of extra stuff just to make things work smoothly

[spice spear]

are you gonna ship of theseus the entire game gepsi

[rare hill]

Possibly, given enough time and incentive

[near ridge]

if I may ask, how difficult is it to mod Balatro currently?

I kinda wanna try making a small mod, but the size of the mods (and the fact they're all just one file) kinda scares me lol

[hushed furnace]

i've just been directly modding the source and it's pretty easy with knowledge of programming in general

[past tendon]

Depends on what you want to do.
Reskinning is pretty easy. Creating new decks/jokers is harder and you'll need to spend time learning how the original code works

[near ridge]

ah alrighty, I wanna try creating new stuff so I might have to spend some time learning the codebase yea

[rare hill]

I have some code that's gonna make adding jokers a LOT easier

[near ridge]

Oooo can't wait for that then

[rare hill]

I'm just trying to finish up the actual mod part first, because it has a few fun ideas I've been asked to make

[rare hill]

https://github.com/GoldenEpsilon/ShamPack/blob/main/ShamPack.lua
There we go, what you'll want to check out are the add_item and refresh_items functions

[hushed furnace]

i'm going to swap these on my client

this is from the scoring function, +mult on cards in hand triggers after xmult. idk if this is intentional but i'm not a fan

common_events.lua, around line 830

shouldn't need anything more than swapping the order of those

yeah you probably can, i just haven't bothered to figure out the modloader api since the source is so simple and i'm mostly modding for myself 😅

otherwise i'd post a patch myself

[hushed furnace]

can you add enhancements to cards in example hands (in the hands table)?

[lean dune]

by modifying create_UIBox_hand_tip, you could

[uneven ravine]

what do i need to add here to add a specific joker to that deck?

[hushed furnace]

what file is this in?

[lean dune]

functions/UI_definitions.lua

[hushed furnace]

thank you

[past tendon]

I have a small unresolved issue that's been puzzling me.

I'm trying to implement a joker that mostly works like erosion, meaning it depends on the number of cards in your deck. The scoring part works well, the joker works as intended during gameplay. Generating the description is a bit harder though, when I look at the joker description through the collection in the main menu, game crashes because G.playing_cards does not exist. I mean, it kinda makes sense because I haven't started a run so I don't have any deck yet.

However, when I look at the original generate_UIBox_ability_table function, erosion uses :
elseif self.ability.name == 'Erosion' then loc_vars = {self.ability.extra, math.max(0,self.ability.extra*(G.playing_cards and (G.GAME.starting_deck_size - #G.playing_cards) or 0)), G.GAME.starting_deck_size}
It clearly uses G.playing_cards, and checking erosion description through the main menu does not crash the game. I'm not sure what happens here

[little wharf]

Can you show what yours looks like to compare?

It looks like it checks if G.playing_cards exists, and if it does then it takes starting size minus playing cards, but if it doesn't, then it sends 0

[past tendon]

oh so that's why it uses or 0 , I was so confused on this part. That means evaluating G.playing_cards does not actually crash the game but trying to display it does.

I feel so stupid lmao

[little wharf]

I've never coded anything in LUA, so I mean you can take it with a grain of salt, all my familiarility is in other languages.... but just from using that knowledge, it's what it -looks- like it's doing to me.

[past tendon]

yeah it makes sense

[little wharf]

That way it can display a value if g.playing_cards doesn't exist (you don't have a deck yet) or if it does exist it displays based on the deck's count.

Checking the deck's count when it doesn't exist -can- cause a crash because you're trying to access a nil (or null) value.

But checking if it exists at all, doesn't crash it, because you're only looking to see if it is there or not.

[past tendon]

Problem solved, thanks 👍

[proud wadi]

yeah, there's a lot of really clever bits that use the "something and (do thing with it) or value", G.playing_cards is nil, so it doesn't evaluate the and and jumps to the or

[little wharf]

Something ternary operators in other languages are great for

[rigid jewel]

That tracks.

I was confused as to how the logic is evaluated here

[proud wadi]

nil is falsy

[pastel wolf]

all my homies hate nil

[exotic shadow]

null is annoying can confirm

as a js dev

[candid patrol]

Is anyone working on mods for the switch version?

[molten igloo]

console modding is not allowed

modding rules, rule 4

[orchid bear]

what

modding rules?

[molten igloo]

check pinned

[tacit mountain]

#⚙・modding-general message

[orchid bear]

oh

weird

[candid patrol]

My mistake. Will repost my question in general.

And on unrelated note. How do you see pinned messages on mobile? Haven't been able to do so since they changed it.

[muted vault]

all modding discussion should happen here or in #1209506514763522108

[molten igloo]

click the channel name, then 3rd tab will be pins

[muted vault]

with that said, thunk laid out the rules, so no discussing modding on anything except PC, please

[candid patrol]

Clearly false. If I can't discuss switch mods here.

[molten igloo]

switch modding isnt allowed at all

[muted vault]

read my follow-up comment. the dev made specific rules for modding channels, and only discussing PC mods is one of them.

[candid patrol]

The rules forbid me from speaking about switch mods here. I haven't seen the rule about discussing it elsewhere. Can you point me to that rule?

Or statement by thunk.

[muted vault]

sure, it is rule #11

[candid patrol]

Kay. Makes sense. I can see that.

[sand thicket]

Has anybody managed to make a modded Seal yet? ;0

[viscid spear]

hey chat, newb question here, but where would i find the image files for the different cards in the game? i have a super simple idea for just replacing some textures i wanna try out

[sand thicket]

Open the exe as a zip , should explain itself from there , there's a texture folder

[rare hill]

it should theoretically be similar to modded enhancements

[viscid spear]

ty, got it

didnt know that was possible

okay now i just need to find the heritage for the future tarot cards lol

[hidden tapir]

Quick question, is there a readily accessible list in JSON, CSV, etc. with the different assets like jokers that displays cost, rarity, description etc?

[viscid spear]

wow this looks like shit but w/e proof of concept

[hidden tapir]

well this is how i found out you can just extract a Love2D project with 7zip and get the lua back

[viscid spear]

getting an error here

[white scarab]

it's in game.lua iirc

[white scarab]

plays nice with 7z

[viscid spear]

aight will try

[hidden tapir]

yeah everything is in there plus the localization files

just need to cobble them together into what i'm looking for

[molten igloo]

does the same to me with 7zip its weird

[white scarab]

that part should have what you want

[hidden tapir]

it literally just worked for me with 7zip, right click the exe, extract to balatro/

[white scarab]

init_item_prototypes() in game.lua:215

[hidden tapir]

yup, i think i'll knock together something repeatable because i suspect things will get tuned with time

i don't know the first thing about lua but i'm pretty decent with grep and sed 🙃

[white scarab]

what will happen?

I predict Jimbo will spawn

[exotic shadow]

legendary jimbo

that a dup or a freeze

[white scarab]

interesting, it appears to pull random ones

let me try it without spawning the legendaries in with debug

[exotic shadow]

I could probably spawn a bunch of soul's

or I guess you probably can with debug

[white scarab]

yep

ok I was right

I guess debug mode spawning bypasses white whale check

[exotic shadow]

yeah

[hushed furnace]

jimbo secret legendary confirmed

[exotic shadow]

in one of the demos (maybe both) once the shop ran out of jokers to make it just froze the game

now it just spawns a normal joker

good fallback

[white scarab]

there are fallbacks for pretty much everything now

[exotic shadow]

yeah

iirc planet is pluto, tarot is fool, voucher is blank

[pastel wolf]

⚡

[hushed furnace]

spectral is incantation

[viscid spear]

i decided to actually try and make a custom sprite for one

[hushed furnace]

oooh

[livid yacht]

The sixth legendary joker, Jimbo

[hushed furnace]

i wasnt sure it'd be able to translate to balatro's resolution

from the scan

[viscid spear]

it looked like this originally i decided to make it from scratch

[hardy brook]

I had an interesting idea

What if i imported 6KT to Balatro while i’m working Hanafuda

I have the full version

[orchid bear]

wonder why spectral is incantation

since all the other fallbacks are the most basic in that group

like pluto for high card

fool is pretty obvious since its tarot 0

and the base joker cause

its the base joker

but spectrals dont really have a basic one

[spice spear]

which one is incantation again?

[spice spear]

it's because it's number cards

adding number cards is the most basic thing the spectrals do

[orchid bear]

true

honestly i would think immolate is even more basic

[hushed furnace]

immolate could end your run

[orchid bear]

wait yeah

eh yea i guess i get it

[white scarab]

Immolate is really busted

[strong swift]

yeah a seed searcher is absolutely insane

[white scarab]

both Immolates

[sand thicket]

umm its cuz it starts with I . that means 1 . duh ||/j||

[white scarab]

The one thing I hope with that is people don’t use it to backseat streamers in endless

[sand thicket]

I'd say its probably the most tame / reasonable, it can kinda happen in any scenario too

[white scarab]

“Oh, you should open this spectral pack, the first one in ante 11 has soul!”

Or “you should buy this bad joker so the redraw gives you Blueprint in two antes!”

[rigid jewel]

Immolate is amazing until every time it’s offered all the important cards you want to keep are drawn first.

I still remember that gold ghost deck loss w/ Baron where two immolates were available in spectral packs and both drew all my kings.

[carmine flare]

i'm trying to make a joker that adds +25 chips for every ace in hand. Turns out the spot in the code that checks all the cards in hand only supports adding mult, multiplying mult, and adding money

i think i'd have to fully override G.FUNCS.evaluate_play

[spice spear]

that's wack

but tbf that's the only kind of effect that was intended for the game so someone's going to have to make a mod for that

[rare hill]

you can do it manually

check the jokers in shampack

oh, wait, in hand

I'll have to take a look at that, that's an interesting one

[spice spear]

yeah it's why I nudged you about this one

[carmine flare]

in hand is the issue

[tacit mountain]

I'm gonna send a Nightly build with the Joker API in a matter of minutes

And I will need some testing

[rare hill]

oh?

[spice spear]

I should probably like, play with mods

so I'll DL that and play ShamPack along with it

[tacit mountain]

Because I don't know if it cover everything needed or not

And I assume not

[hidden tapir]

back coding in windows because Balatro and i forgot how comparatively finicky it can be. not a bug i'm looking for help with, just having a moan

[tacit mountain]

It will be ready when this build finish: https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/actions/runs/8074587206/job/22060123907

[carmine flare]

line 825 of state_events.lua, loops through the table returned by calculate_joker(cardarea = G.hand ...) and only checks for x_mult, h_mult, dollars, and message

[hidden tapir]

def main():
    print("wtf?")
    return 1
> python wtf.py
Process finished with exit code 0

[spice spear]

I wonder if that table could just be expanded with minimal issue

probably not

[carmine flare]

you can put anything in the table when you return it. issue is it doesn't know to look for what you added

[tacit mountain]

Alright, that the Pre Release for joker API: https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/releases/tag/0.7.0-PRE

If some modders could test it so I can know if it is good enough for now. Little example mod with it:

[carmine flare]

i put the full evaluate_play func in a new lua file and added the chips handing from the played card code to the in hand code and it works fine

obviously not ideal but it does work

[tacit mountain]

context.individual in Card:calculate_joker should already let you hook on it.

[sand thicket]

Thanks for your hard work Steamo 🙏

[carmine flare]

i am adding my joker function in context.individiual, context.cardarea == G.hand

but adding chips to the return table in that block does nothign because in evaluate_play the effects handling never checks for chips

for ii = 1, #effects do
    --if this effect came from a joker
    if effects[ii].card then
        ...
    end
    
    --If hold mult added, do hold mult add event and add the mult to the total
    
    --If dollars added, add dollars to total
    if effects[ii].dollars then 
        ...
    end

    if effects[ii].h_mult then
        ...
    end

    if effects[ii].x_mult then
        ...
    end

    ---------------------------------------
    --- NEW CODE TO SUPPORT CHIP EFFECT ---
    ---------------------------------------

    --If chips added, do chip add event and add the chips to the total
    if effects[ii].chips then 
        mod_percent = true
        hand_chips = mod_chips(hand_chips + effects[ii].chips)
        update_hand_text({delay = 0}, {chips = hand_chips})
        card_eval_status_text(G.hand.cards[i], 'chips', effects[ii].chips, percent)
    end

    --------------------
    --- END NEW CODE ---
    --------------------

    if effects[ii].message then
        ...
    end
end```

that's what im adding to the evaluate_play function

[tacit mountain]

That's odd

It do it in G.play

But not in G.hand

[carmine flare]

yep

i copied my addition from G.play lol

it's not a thing that happens in the base game so im not that surprised

[exotic shadow]

Isn't this what reserved parking does? If so, maybe check how it wokrs

[carmine flare]

reserved parking adds money

[exotic shadow]

oh yeah

huh thats odd

[hushed furnace]

while you're rewriting the function you should consider swapping these

[carmine flare]

what function is that in

[hushed furnace]

scoring

card_eval_status_text

[carmine flare]

that doesn't actually effect the scoring result, that function gets called by evaluate_play and just shows the text for what's happening

[hushed furnace]

yeah, looks like their orders are different

[carmine flare]

if you look in evaluate_play for calculating the played cards it goes chips -> mult -> x_mult

i guess my chips handling should go first in my code to match G.play

[hushed furnace]

yeah

so does that mean the displayed calculations will be wrong?

[pastel wolf]

Whats the opposite of context.individual btw? If i want my joker to proc in order at the end of the hand playing

Cuz atm it procs when the first card scores

[tacit mountain]

Look at the Joker API

Example mod

[pastel wolf]

Wait which one?

[tacit mountain]

#⚙・modding-general message

[pastel wolf]

Ah si

I'll have a peep when im home, thanks steamo

Legend

[proud wadi]

Does anyone have a semi-reasonable grasp on the events? I'm trying to clean up some of my code, and what I need is to wait for Card:start_materialize to finish, so I can set the card back to .state.hover.can = false. I've tried just using add_event as is (assuming that it would queue them and call my second event when the first finished) but no such luck.

[pastel wolf]

@carmine flare thanks for all your help last night btw

I managed to get it triggering, just triggering at the wrong time

[carmine flare]

np

[pastel wolf]

I'll sort that out and test it with smeared and wildcard when im home

Switch it from context.individual

[limpid briar]

This is probably a silly question coming from a non-modder, but is it possible to recreate the backgrounds of the game in any software so I could make my own with the shaders in Balatro? Or would I need extensive dev-type knowledge.

[proud wadi]

nvm i was overthinking it and using events where i didn't need to now that i'm cleaning up my code

[rare hill]

Hey, so how are you supposed to use custom atlases with this?

because replacing the base joker atlas means you can only have one joker mod at a time

[tacit mountain]

Like said in the PR, it will be merged after the Joker Pre Release. This one is only their to test the Joker API.

Not to be production ready or anything

[rare hill]

ah, so only to test the parts such as calculate_joker?

[tacit mountain]

Yep

And so I can know what is missing and if the global design is working or not

[rare hill]

That makes sense. I do want to point out a second direction for possibility, which is making functions that add Any type of card/item (such as what I do in ShamPack), mainly because with how this api looks right now it's what I'd probably keep using even with a finalized version of your api

but that's more preference than anything

thankfully the way it works isn't destructive at all

[tacit mountain]

You can write every ShamPack effect in the calculate callback

And avoid over referencing/overriding the source code with it

[rare hill]

yes, and your api does that better, but I was referencing how it's one set of functions for jokers, tarot cards, enhancements, etc

I also personally prefer the way sprites are handled for mine from an api standpoint, but I understand that multiple atlases aren't preferred for efficiency

[tacit mountain]

Generic "Cards" functions will come later, or maybe I will just make it more flexible I don't know

[tacit mountain]

Wdym ?

[rare hill]

instead of messing around with the position of the sprite on the sprite atlas you just tell it what sprite you want and it loads the files for you

I need to look to see if love2d has atlas stitching, but if it does that can be used as a way to simplify the whole process while limiting the number of atlases needed

but yeah, I think my tl;dr is that it seems like a good api for getting people into modding the game, but I personally don't think it's generic enough for what it might want to be expanded into in the future and that it could abstract away a little bit more of the busywork

[tacit mountain]

That's the plan for custom sprite

To use whatever Sprite you want, atlas or not

If you look at the previous Sprite API that what @white scarab and I were doing

But I have to put priorities sadly

[pastel wolf]

So you've made it so this Joker api works with steamodded

[tacit mountain]

The Joker API is part of steamodded, the Example mod (or JAPI) is simply there to demonstrate a basic usage

[pastel wolf]

i see

So that does everything that this big wall does but simpler

Good work

[leaden trench]

is there any way to make a mod that uses different deck art for the challenge deck? should i just unzip the game, switch the art around in the png, and zip it back up again, or would that mess everything up?

[pastel wolf]

you need to grab the 1x png file of the decks

replace the one you want with yours

and then export that in both 1x and 2x

[leaden trench]

yeah i know how to do the art bit i just don't know if i'd be able to run it as a game in steam again

[pastel wolf]

why wouldnt you be able to

[leaden trench]

idk i just wanna be super sure

[pastel wolf]

i've switched art around in the files a few times

no issues

[leaden trench]

okay cool thank you ❤️

[pastel wolf]

:)

[proud wadi]

ayy, i've rewritten the basics for my seer/oracle joker effect, i've got it tied to having the joker, now i just have to fix it so it goes away when you aren't in a run, and actually shows correctly if you continue a run

[hardy brook]

Messing around with ranks

It won't be Infinite chips, but something like 100 chips

[pastel wolf]

am i understanding this right?

probably not cuz it doesnt seem to update the joker

[rare hill]

don't have the {} around all the inputs

[pastel wolf]

oh i can just true, true, true

[rare hill]

ye

[pastel wolf]

does the JokerAPI just use the base jokers.png

[rare hill]

yeah, for now, it's WIP

[pastel wolf]

ah okay

[rare hill]

more for testing than product currently I think

[pastel wolf]

Ah si

i'm not sure what context i need to use to make this work properly

none of the jokers in card.lua seem to have a context unless they activate in a different way

[twin river]

I'm starting to learn how to mod games, starting with Balatro. Anyone have advice on how to debug your code?

[pastel wolf]

join the club

[mint carbon]

is it possible to perma just unlock all the decks/stakes in the normal game with mods? or would it have to run on its seperate version forever and not in the actual game if it was updated or files verified

no way to get the game to think its been completed and have them agree its actually unlocked

[pastel wolf]

Ah i'm lost again, i think context.scoring_hand[1].base.suit is falling through or something

that's the line i have issue with

[exotic shadow]

funny selecting

[proud wadi]

there's a debug console listener thing in the modloader repo that you can run that will allow you to do sendDebugMessage(str) to get some output, but it's mostly just figuring out how things work and testing to see if you get what you're expecting

[pastel wolf]

Or if i take it back to what it was with the wall of elseifs

it will trigger the joker before any chips or anything

i think i need like, end_calculate_context or something

no

[rare hill]

if you run it from console you can just use lua's print()

[exotic shadow]

printing is like the simplest method of debugging in any language

[pastel wolf]

I'm not sure what's causing it to do this

trying it without the effect in there to see what happens

Now it triggers 3 times

but only 1 real time

[leaden trench]

hey how do i repackage the game after im done switching the art around? or is there a way to replace the art while it's still together

[pastel wolf]

use 7zip to open the exe archive

and just swap the pngs around

[leaden trench]

ohh okay i must have just . not been pushin the right buttons i think i got it

you're the best

yaaaay thank you

[pastel wolf]

you're welcome

:)

[leaden trench]

not sure im a fan of the lil bits that peek out so i might just get rid of those

[pastel wolf]

Ayy

I got it to work

[exotic shadow]

Why does the save file let me do this????

[pastel wolf]

Anyone know if the UIbox override involves colours?

I think i may need a hand on the uibox stuff, trying to get it to specify the suit that its on

[exotic shadow]

game is silly

[pastel wolf]

HAh

YES

i'm so good

Also whoever wrote the uibox override you deserve head

Now i just need to work out how to add the colour of the suit that it currently is

[patent spruce]

YIPPIE

[exotic shadow]

unmodded game btw

[unique elbow]

What’s even going on here??

How do you have so many jokers?

[grand geode]

if you mod your save does that doesn't count as unmodded

smh

[unique elbow]

How are there celestial packs where your jokers go.

[exotic shadow]

shanagnigans

[unique elbow]

Wdym

Like mods actually

Mods

[exotic shadow]

well the game is unmodded but I modified the save file

[grand geode]

you can put any card (joker, playing, booster, voucher, consumable) in any area

[unique elbow]

If you mod your save file.

?

[grand geode]

yes

[unique elbow]

Oh

[pastel wolf]

Hey Myst is there anything particular i have to do to make jokers work correctly with blueprint?

ohhh i know why it doesnt work with blueprint

blueprint sets the last_suit when it triggers, and then the joker checks and sees the last_suit as current suit and then doesn't trigger

[mystic yew]

Hi not really modding but I have a question is there a way to only view the background in the game the spinning circle is just so hypnotizing i love looking at it would love to put it in wallpaper engine

[hushed furnace]

is this anything

[past tendon]

Oh nice. I'll try it this evening after work

[pastel wolf]

Been putting more in

[hushed furnace]

love the receipt texture

[pastel wolf]

Thank you, its one that i'm most proud of

[hushed furnace]

turned out really well

[pastel wolf]

it looks pretty cool negative

[hushed furnace]

yeah that's sick

[pastel wolf]

i've just been putting the art, names and rough descriptions in

[magic sandal]

modding chat what yall think about this idea?

[pastel wolf]

i'll work on the abilities later

[grand geode]

rng hell

wait i read that as 1 not -1

[magic sandal]

i mean its somewhat dependant on rng but i see it as more of a challenge

challenge version of plasma

[grand geode]

so like gold stake?

and less joker slot

[magic sandal]

somewhat

i cant imagine trying to do this with gold stake ontop of everything already on

[foggy crag]

We need a Joker with w 1000 yard stare

• Scored cards in your first poker hand get a rank up.

smth like that

[pastel wolf]

the 1000 chip stare

Interesting that gold is still gold when negative

[pastel wolf]

1000 card stare

[lean dune]

balacing is more powerful the later it happens though. Say you have 100x3000 after all jokers (Xmult X2 X3 X5), balancing will turn that into 1550x1550 or about 2.4 million. Balancing 100X100 does nothing, then the Xmult will up that to 100x3000 all the same, like no balancing happened at all

[magic sandal]

I mean I just thought about it making chips jokers more viable with xmult joker

If you have like 200x15 and a xmult joker it won't help you as much

Might have to rethink this idea

[forest creek]

hello , how can i download the mods ?

[white scarab]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1211716871267688488

[grave panther]

hi all - we have refreshed the modding forum rules and i would urge you all to take a look

#1212395714920054864 message

additionally - because we can only have one pinned post - i am happy to put additional critical resources inside the pinned post for easy access. if there are a couple things that are foundational to the work of the folks in this channel please come up with a short list and i will incorporate those there

i've included the starter guide linked above already

I have no issue with OSS licensing and our server rules exist on top of that.

[hardy brook]

So i just realized this is gonna be a larger task than i thought

I thought i had every card

I definitely do not

They came out with half suits, something called “Dozenal”

They have french rankings, they got whole different sets of cards under the name

There K6T, iRB, ovalia, etc

[tacit mountain]

Hello! Little reminder that you can still test the Preview of the JokerAPI there: #⚙・modding-general message

If you do think this is not covering enough possibilities and/or this is not practical, please let me know.

[hardy brook]

Okay so i may not have to worry about dozenal

It’s the same deck just in base 12 instead of base 10

[little wharf]

I'm curious about #5 and #6... if all mods are to be open source, that inherently implies permission to be redistributed and modified?

[tacit mountain]

Open Source simply mean that the source have to be open and visible to everyone that want them

[little wharf]

That is not what that means by any common definition.

[rare hill]

For the forum rules I would personally appreciate a more detailed description than "don't debug source code". It's broad to the point where while it could mean just "don't bug the dev about bugs", it could also mean "don't make mods that fix issues", which would be much worse, and I'd rather not have to assume and possibly get burned on the line being interpreted differently than I think

And yeah, no, open source means free to redistribute and reuse

[little wharf]

If it is supposed to mean that your source code be available and accessible for viewing, I understand that; but if I am confused about it, so many others will be too.

[tacit mountain]

You're right, open source definition also include Redistribution and Modification

[rare hill]

also I'd much rather people feel free to just Use my code rather than worrying that they're not "allowed to" and having to track me down to ask

[little wharf]

I fully understand having source accessible for viewing to ensure that no malicious code is being distributed through the Discord, it makes sense that you would require that the code be viewable. I only asked the question because #6 implies expressly permission for #5.

[tacit mountain]

You can write it in the main post

[rare hill]

fair, I guess

[tacit mountain]

I think it does the trick? That's what they are doing in other modding community as far as I know.

[tacit mountain]

I'm not a native english speaker so I might be wrong, but "may" means it's a possibility in this definition or am I wrong ?

[woeful finch]

“may” means “could” in this context i think

not 100% confident tho

[compact iris]

"may" in this case basically means "can" yeah

[grave panther]

the may in the definition above is permissive - the intention is that code be available for viewing for the safety of other users

[compact iris]

its still good practice to denote that you are okay with code being redistributed

even if open source 100% meant you are allowed - its still nice to make sure the original creator is okay with it

[grave panther]

i can come back and do a clarifying pass on the rules - i'm not opposed

as to the question about "do not debug" - that has been effectively verbatim in the pinned channel rules for a while. for now can we just use our best judgment please.

we don't want to be overly prescriptive, we do just want to avoid issues and promote safe practices

[rare hill]

I know that's how it's been in the channel rules, I was just requesting because the rules were being overhauled in the first place - fair enough, though.

[grave panther]

like I said - I'm open to a clarifying pass in the rules, particularly the new ones

[rotund galleon]

is there reasoning behind the no debugging rule that is public

I'm curious

[little wharf]

I don't think it could hurt to clarify that you meant that the source code be viewable or available, and not that all mods are inherently required to adopt an open source license.

[grave panther]

All mods must be open source - this does not mean licensed under an OSS license but that the source must be available and viewable to other users.

I have changed it to this

(I am not a particularly technical person and am doing the best I can)

[little wharf]

That should clear up any confusion. I do greatly appreciate it.

[grave panther]

i appreciate your feedback and clarifying suggestion as well - thank you

[rare hill]

👍

[white scarab]

A question about this - my SpeedrunTimer mod uses source code obfuscation as one of the ways to prevent cheating. Should I share the source code to follow the rules but make the mod less secure, or am I okay to leave it like that?

[grave panther]

let me take this to a mod who is more technically versed and get back to you with a specific answer in your case

[white scarab]

ty

[gilded hornet]

is there a modding guide somewhere

[white scarab]

#1211716871267688488 message

[gilded hornet]

oh i meant more in the sense of authoring mods

[jovial escarp]

here are some templates for making your own colored deck
to replace these textures in the game you'll need to rename Balatro.exe to Balatro.zip and replace the /resources/textures/1x/8BitDeck.png and /resources/textures/2x/8BitDeck.png files with yours
note that you will have to make another copy of your image and upscale it with No interpolation to 2x for the second one
go nuts

[jaunty lion]

you'll need to rename Balatro.exe to Balatro.zip
wait you mean you can just . do that?

[jovial escarp]

yeah

i did it on linux with peazip

you can use 7zip as peazip is just a shell for 7zip

[jaunty lion]

is it doable on windows

[jovial escarp]

yeah

it's the exact same process

i was pleasantly surprised since this is the first game in a long while on which this trick works

usually only old games store their assets like this

[jaunty lion]

i feel like i shouldn't be scared to do this but i've never tried changing a file extension so i kind of am lmao

[jovial escarp]

you can always delete the file and have steam check for file integrity

it'll redownload it but your save data will not be lost

save data is stored in appdata

[jaunty lion]

i'll create a backup just in case

[jovial escarp]

let me get you the 2x deck too

here

you can test it out with these 2

first one goes into 1x folder second into 2x

[jaunty lion]

what's the difference between 1x and 2x

is it just the colors

[jovial escarp]

the game will use either 1x or 2x textures depending on the resolution of the game

[jaunty lion]

ah

[jovial escarp]

not sure what triggers the behavior

best to replace both to be safe

i wish there was a simple mod to swap assets out on the fly but im not going to go out of my way to learn lua for it

[exotic dagger]

i know they don't exist in the normal game so i'm a bit curious
if modded in, do negative playing cards actually work? and if yes, how do they work

[jaunty lion]

but yeah changing the extension from .exe to .zip worked perfectly fine

which suprises me

[jaunty lion]

i mean if they're separate ranks i assume they would just be treated as such

oh wait

negative as in adds a slot

[exotic dagger]

i meant edition, not negative numbers

[jaunty lion]

mb

[jovial escarp]

i dont think they exist but id imagine theyd just not count towards hand size

[exotic dagger]

why would you want negative chips anyways

[jovial escarp]

if localthunk added that specific behavior in

not sure what the code looks like so i can't say

it could be in there by default by way of how the code is organized

[exotic dagger]

it does make sense if it would work the same way as jokers/consumables

[jovial escarp]

i dont think consumables have editions

[exotic dagger]

by effectively adding 1 to the total number of slots

[jovial escarp]

a negative tarot would be interesting though

[exotic dagger]

i'm guessing you haven't seen all legendary jokers yet?

[jaunty lion]

doesn't one of the legendary jokers add negative to consumables

[jovial escarp]

i havent played the game too much

im a casual player

bought the game two days ago

[exotic dagger]

fair

you wanna know or wanna find out yourself

[jovial escarp]

i just hit the unlock all button on my profile

i dont mind

[exotic dagger]

ah

[exotic dagger]

well, this

it's called perkeo

[jovial escarp]

so That's what that does

[exotic dagger]

although it's not fully accurate

what it actually does is make a negative copy of one of your held consumables

so, for example, you're holding the fool and trigger perkeo? now you got a fool and a negative fool

also works with planets and spectrals

[jovial escarp]

so, did it work?

[jaunty lion]

oh i haven't tried it yet hang on

[molten igloo]

was trying to just make ugly textures but instead made somthing cool and made the background more chill for motion sickness

[jovial escarp]

looks pretty alright

although im not a fan of the inverted face cards

[molten igloo]

ye was not trying to make anything cool, hell was trying to do the opposite

[jaunty lion]

i can't add the files

[jovial escarp]

winrar

[woven rock]

winrar in 2024?

[jovial escarp]

winrar is okay but i still recommend 7zip

[jaunty lion]

yeah let me get that rq

[jovial escarp]

it's small it's fast it's free it'll never bug you

[woven rock]

and it'll work on balatro.exe

[jovial escarp]

i'd remove the images first and add them later to be safe

i think you can direct replace but i was trying to walk around any corruption

[jaunty lion]

i tried replacing the files in 7-zip and it didn't work

it just redownloaded the game when i tried launching it

[tacit mountain]

"Happy accident"

[jovial escarp]

whattt

ok we really need like an easier depack-repack tool then

if you want i can slide you mine

or apply any changes you need made

[jaunty lion]

ok i tried just running the application instead of launching it from steam and that worked

[tacit mountain]

Remember to close the game before updating the SFX archive

[jaunty lion]

of course

[jovial escarp]

definitely

since you're here steamo

[tacit mountain]

And only 7zip can, Winrar can open it but is not capable of editing without breaking it

[jovial escarp]

are there any plans for a simple texture loader mod yet

[jaunty lion]

wow! i didn't realize winrar sucked

[tacit mountain]

No it's amazing, 7zip is just better at SFX than winrar

[jovial escarp]

when i use windows i still use winrar

[tacit mountain]

That already online, example mod: https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1210420314316738632

[woven rock]

if winrar is so amazing, why isn't it open-source

[jovial escarp]

it's the nostalgia and making rar archives for me

[woven rock]

[jovial escarp]

very cool, i'll get onto making my changes into a mod

[jaunty lion]

i guess i did something wrong the first time because now i can launch it from steam with the changes just fine

[tacit mountain]

Some other texture packs already exist, you can look at them to have a better idea on how to use it 👍

[jovial escarp]

it's easy enough to understand

[tacit mountain]

I mean, even if not open source, It's still a very good tool

[woven rock]

fair

[wet river]

Quick question, modding the thing I want to do isn't going to be hard. I really just need the variable that retrieves the current maximum hand score for the run. Wondering if anyone can just hand me that info.

[jaunty lion]

i don't think it calculates the final score for a hand until you actually play it

[wet river]

Yeah, after is fine.

[jaunty lion]

oh i see what you mean now

[tacit mountain]

It might be stored somewhere since since it's used by the game at the end of a run

[twin river]

Like the score you see in the postgame screen?

[wet river]

Yeah that.

[tacit mountain]

Maybe look at the content it's using

You migth find what you need

[twin river]

I was looking at this yesterday, I'm not at my pc rn so I can't check what it's specifically called but it's one of the UI handlers for the game over screen

[wet river]

I'm not a big Lua guy, and was hoping to avoid too much searching 😅

[wet river]

How would you look into it? Debugging it?

[tacit mountain]

Nop with the source code, but I'm not infront of my Windows I can't check now 😦

[past tendon]

I think it's inside G.GAME.round_scores

haven't checked though

[wet river]

I can give it a shot. Thanks.

[jaunty lion]

i was looking through the files and apparently more than half of the entire game's filesize is from the font it uses for some non-english languages

[spice spear]

that tracks honestly

[near ridge]

how do I fix this error? I'm trying to use the Steamodded modloader but I keep getting this error

[tacit mountain]

Are you using the .exe or the python version ?

[near ridge]

the .exe

[tacit mountain]

Which one are you using ?

Last official release is this one: https://github.com/Steamopollys/Steamodded/releases/tag/0.6.2

[near ridge]

0.7.0-PRE

I'll try the official release then

I'm getting the same issue

[tacit mountain]

I know why, old on a moment

[near ridge]

is there a specific 7zip version I need?

[tacit mountain]

A changed a link

[tacit mountain]

Can you try again ?

[jaunty lion]

i decided to make my own colors