🏆・jimbos-invitational

[main mirage]

there were $4/$5 in common, $6/$7 in uncommon

[tender musk]

not the case in the sept demo, no

[zenith sierra]

8/10 for rares

[main mirage]

and $19 fortnite cards

[zenith sierra]

You did not 😭

I got one for 18.99 (I'm better)

[main mirage]

dang

[tender musk]

fortnite cards at a cheap price? sensational....

[boreal reef]

ice cream $5 right?

[tender musk]

aw you know what today's daily discussion should've been? which jokers to switch out for Jan 25 demo

[main mirage]

🤔

[zenith sierra]

That already happened

As in

The jokers are already in place no?

[tender musk]

no

said some could be switched out

[mellow echo]

I like when discussions are started by a question

[main mirage]

@ when do you want to discuss this

[zenith sierra]

Are you sure?

[mellow echo]

I've got a controversial take

[tender musk]

lets hear it!

[hot moss]

we need sock n buskin

please

[half mortar]

lol didn't local admit that he forgot to put sock n buskin in?

[boreal reef]

there is already so much face synergy

[tender musk]

yeah lol

[tender musk]

the easy solution is to switch out one of the current face synergy jokers for sock and buskin, like business card since there's already reserved parking for face money

drspectred claiming he has a "controversial take" and then typing for eight minutes is 👀

[hot moss]

get ready for a text wall

[mellow echo]

The Jokers in the game vary in level of detail in the art (Droll Joker and Golden Joker vs Obelisk and Brainstorm).
The Jokers also vary in "wacky" factor (Vagabond and Seance being similar to but objectively wackier than 8 Ball).

I think the Invitational Jokers make sense as individuals in the wonderfully diverse Balatro tapestry as a whole.
However, it felt like the previous 45 were a more cohesive/consistent group
than the new 45.

[hot moss]

ye

[main mirage]

new group felt very spicy to me for sure

[covert umbra]

^

[boreal reef]

I think most can agree with that take

[hot moss]

i love the chip variants of the '+x mult is hand contains y'

such a simple idea

yet so good

the art too

[zenith sierra]

Yeah

[tender musk]

yeah, i agree with that

[zenith sierra]

We got the entire gang

[tender musk]

however i dont think its necessarily a bad thing

[zenith sierra]

Chips +m and Xm

[main mirage]

i felt like having both the chip versions and Xmult versions was a bit much

[zenith sierra]

Meh

It's good imo

[hot moss]

ye

[zenith sierra]

It's the more simpler jokers

[main mirage]

feels samey to me

[zenith sierra]

For more basic things

[hot moss]

xmult takes a lot to unlock anyway

[raven pier]

It would be cool if the Xmult jokers were for the ones that there were no +chips jokers

[main mirage]

says who

[tender musk]

the xmult hand types were my first choices to swap out

[zenith sierra]

Xmult is so easy to get you can't change my mind

There's so many

[hot moss]

thats how it worked in 0.8

[zenith sierra]

I was willing to dm evab about Xmult dd

[mellow echo]

I don't necessarily think this is wrong, given that the game is meant to reward you for playing poker hands.
But I agree with CC that the xMult ones weren't losing all the Rare slots over.

[main mirage]

0.8 is not indicative of the full game anymore

[tender musk]

#🏆・jimbos-invitational message my first thoughts on swaps, for the record

[boreal reef]

I felt swashbuckler was a bit weak in this demo due to the large amount of xMult jokers in this demo

[zenith sierra]

Weird to specifically leave duo and family in

But it's your onion

[mellow echo]

power level and balance is a different conversation
(which we can have if you want)

[hot moss]

fair

[main mirage]

did anyone catch the planet changes btw?

[zenith sierra]

I still think personally full realease will be flooded with Xmult unless local does sometging

[tender musk]

those two were not in the invitational

[zenith sierra]

Huh (that's dumb)

[tender musk]

well, thats your onion

[zenith sierra]

It is

🧅

Personally, I think the "Xmult fam" could be uncon with a small nerf

But then more baseball card synergy 😰

[boreal reef]

what do you guys think about the standard pack? i feel like it shows up too much compared to tarot and celestial packs

[main mirage]

i think having them in the full game is fine

[tender musk]

there were a lot of xmult in the invitational to help out more with high scores, its not at all indicative of the full game

[mellow echo]

Your perception is being warped by there being so much xMult in the Invitational version.
It'll balance out once we mix in the Jokers from the previous demo as well as some new jokers which aren't about scoring at all.

[raven pier]

I have a hunch it was boosted to test it out for invitational

[zenith sierra]

Tbh that's true

[main mirage]

45/150 is roughly a third, and 3 groups (mult, chips, xmult) would have almost the same balance as just mult crew in sept demo

[zenith sierra]

But thenagain I have only like 15% of the joker roster image

[tender musk]

i like it honestly, more than i thought i would before seeing it in action

editioned and sealed cards from packs is hype

[main mirage]

im very unsure about standard pack viability

but i can't ignore that +1 of a rank does help

[zenith sierra]

Does standard pack have a slight chance for editioned cards?

[boreal reef]

i feel like its a good way to get editions and seal, but otherwise seems lacking compared to tarots for deck manip

[raven pier]

Also, the small chance of getting poly glass red seal

[main mirage]

it has chances for enhancements, editions, and seals (and multiple)

[zenith sierra]

Seed searcher is laughing

[main mirage]

and i think the odds are better than slight

[zenith sierra]

Alightly

[tender musk]

viability is definitely a conversation we can have, but just from a fun/casual standpoint i enjoy them

[main mirage]

buffoon pack however

very strong

[zenith sierra]

Nah is buffoon every joker?

[main mirage]

get a reroll+ and a joker for just the price of the reroll

[zenith sierra]

It looked like it was a small pool from what I aaw

[main mirage]

there were all kinds

[tender musk]

all of 'em

[boreal reef]

Aura only has a 15% at poly so standard might be a good source for poly cards, but if hack is the only retriggering joker, you also need the poly to be on 2,3,4 or 5. A might work if you have strength

[zenith sierra]

Jeez

Can't wait for that in full realease

[main mirage]

overall the new packs are pretty neat though

im happy we got to see them

[zenith sierra]

Mhm

[tender musk]

buffoon pack was also hype, getting an expensive joker for cheap is a lot of fun

[boreal reef]

Buffoon seems like its great

[main mirage]

i don't like dupe packs in shop tho.

give me a choice pls

and variety

[zenith sierra]

Mega, or jumbo?

[raven pier]

Did anyone see a card with all 3 buffs (enhancement, edition, seal) from a standard pack?

[boreal reef]

especially if you get the mega buffoon pack shop 1

[hot moss]

GUYS

[raven pier]

The best I saw was a poly red seal

[main mirage]

infinitely large

[hot moss]

we need a new ultimate ace

[zenith sierra]

True

[hot moss]

with the new seals

[main mirage]

i think i saw a foil bonus with a seal once

[zenith sierra]

I'll find and edit my old one

[tender musk]

definitely

i dont remember what, but i remember thinking "oh shit it has all three!!"

[boreal reef]

math is gonna look for a shop 1 perfect card or something

[zenith sierra]

Foil foil foil

[mellow echo]

Pricing/Balance aside, Buffoon pack is slightly awkward to me.

Before you're 14/21 probability for each shop slot to be a Joker.
I don't know the split between Tarot and Planets, but it's 7/21 for some consumable.

Arcana Packs and Celestial Packs are ways to get something which is rare among shop slots.
Whereas Buffoon Pack gives you something which already dominates shop slots.

[zenith sierra]

If only wee was in v0.9.2

😔

[tender musk]

wee would be a fun option to swap in

hack synergy

[zenith sierra]

That's what I mean

[mellow echo]

sounds like beeeeg 2

[boreal reef]

buffoon early is cheap jokers and late game a cheap reroll searching for jokers

[zenith sierra]

The issue with Ww stuff, was the things like my personal 28q was mad lacking with chips

[tender musk]

not allowing duplicate packs would help with that somewhat

i see the issue though

[boreal reef]

what about burglar? alot of jokers which could profit from extra hands

[main mirage]

i wonder if any of the packs are weighted like spectral pack is

[hot moss]

however buffoon gives you the chance for rares and jokers which you may want for synergy, which probably wont be dominating slots

[zenith sierra]

Burglar is interesting

[tender musk]

@

[hot moss]

spectral is weighted?

[main mirage]

yes, negatively

[zenith sierra]

That's basically a reroll, but more~

[hot moss]

huh didnt know that

[tender musk]

yeah spectral is more rare

[hot moss]

but less

[main mirage]

you didn't notice they rarely showed up in the shop compared to arcana and celestial?

[hot moss]

cause it cost less

[mellow echo]

I said "balance aside" in the sense that
yes, one of the things which make Buffoon packs "worth it" is the amount of value you get for low cost.
Wouldn't be true if they cost $10+

but doesn't change the fact that they give you more of what you can already get.

[zenith sierra]

Spectral was 10% every shop in v0.9. no?

[main mirage]

never heard the odds 🤔

[hot moss]

oh i thought you meant the cards

[tender musk]

what if buffoon packs only showed up in regular shop slots? just spitballing

[zenith sierra]

Familiar is 90%

:trollface:

[raven pier]

In 0.9.0 the game picked the pack type before picking its size, so something similar is probably what 0.9.2 does

[mellow echo]

cursed

lol

[tender musk]

lmao

one can dream

[zenith sierra]

And buffoon packs can spawn in baffoon packs

[tender musk]

i love recursion!

[main mirage]

pack pack when

[boreal reef]

jimbo shows up in the pack and runs away with your jokers

[tender musk]

does the pack of all packs contain itself?

[zenith sierra]

We have a pack on, tarots, planets, spectrals, cards, and jokers. What else?

Voucher pack ?????

[main mirage]

god that would be busted

[narrow crane]

oh god

[mellow echo]

booooooooo

[zenith sierra]

No like $30 pack

Only unupgraded vouchers until you have every unupgraded voucher

[main mirage]

god that would be awful

[boreal reef]

instead of voucher skip the get voucher pack?

[zenith sierra]

Possibly so

But more rng so

Idrk

[boreal reef]

gives you more choice in which voucher

[zenith sierra]

Yuh

A way to speed up

[main mirage]

i still like the pack pack because it creates a ui nightmare when you get a mega* pack pack

[zenith sierra]

XD

nah blind pack

You can pick what blind to fight next

[main mirage]

choose two? i'll take pack pack and pack pack

[tender musk]

its pack packs all the way down

[boreal reef]

mega pack containing 2 mega packs containing 4 mega packs

[main mirage]

also packs in the pack pack are random size

just to give actual thought to your choices

[zenith sierra]

64 mega packs

Now "packs" doesn't sound right

Alright what else can we packafy

[main mirage]

skip tagssss

[boreal reef]

lets just put a whole blind in a pack

[zenith sierra]

Oh jo

[main mirage]

yayyyyy

[boreal reef]

blind to go

[main mirage]

oh jo

[zenith sierra]

No like actually tho

[main mirage]

boss blind pack???

[zenith sierra]

You can pick what boss blind to face

That's hobwstly not horrible

Deck pack

Open a pack of decks

[boreal reef]

a Jimbo which you can trade cards with

[zenith sierra]

Like in d&dg

Not bad at all

[winged pasture]

Yo voucher pack idea actually sounds interesting

Imagine that as a skip reward

Choose 1 of 4 vouchers

[tender musk]

hmmm

[main mirage]

oh hey has arrived

[winged pasture]

Hi

[raven pier]

What if there was a pack of packs?

[covert umbra]

but then can you get -1 ante?

[main mirage]

i was thinking about voucher pack as a skip to replace voucher in shop but thought it was too op

out loud though it sounds fine

[boreal reef]

Mystery pack, containing a random pack

[raven pier]

You can choose what type of card suits your build

[mellow echo]

why replace? 😂

[main mirage]

voucher in shop skip?

it's not great

[winged pasture]

Rare/expensive shop pack containing 3 vouchers seems interesting too

[tender musk]

yeah a whole skip for maybe a good voucher that still costs money isnt very good

[tender musk]

this though

i kinda like it

[winged pasture]

Since on full game with 32 vouchers there's only so many you can get

[main mirage]

all of the packs

[winged pasture]

I love packs

[boreal reef]

Depending on low wealth synergies like vagabond and a possible hermit rework, some people might not be able to afford if its too expensive

[winged pasture]

Aren't the new packs fun

Instead of it always being the same 2

[tender musk]

we were just talking about the new packs!

and yes theyre fun

[main mirage]

i do like the new ones a lot

but not a fan of the dupes

[mellow echo]

Thunker, you're in the hot seat.
From your perspective, what makes Buffoon Pack distinct from spending on rerolls?

[winged pasture]

Yeah the dupes can probably use a tweak

[boreal reef]

I feel like you shouldnt ever get 2 of the same varity, since you will have less options to choose from

[winged pasture]

Packs are fun

[floral bough]

i think dupe packs should only appear if showman exists

[winged pasture]

From an 800 hour perspective you're right

But I like taking buffoon packs because I think they're neat

[tender musk]

it balances the other packs by making them slightly less common as well

[winged pasture]

Plus I can afford them 100%

Because the options are free

[half mortar]

sometimes rerolls have non-jokers

[raven pier]

Sundry Pack
Contains any type of card (playing card, spectral, tarot, planet, joker)

[winged pasture]

So if you get a negative or poly you don't need to spend $15

[tender musk]

its very hype to get a good joker in a buffoon pack, moreso than if you found it by rerolling

[mellow echo]

If the price is the main difference, doesn't that speak to the balance of the reroll cost?

[main mirage]

i believe this was suggested as a variety pack

which strikes me as weaker so maybe it should start with 4 options

and go to 6 when mega

[winged pasture]

Well, the packs are 1 time only, the rerolls can go forever, so the price isn't the balancing factor with the packs

[lethal pendant]

Haven't read all the context but replacing the normal voucher with a voucher pack could be interesting, it's basically how Nuclear Throne works letting you choose from a limited set of perks after each level

[raven pier]

Maybe it allows you to pick 2; 3 when jumbo

[tender musk]

i like the variety pack idea

[boreal reef]

6 for 2 things seem unbalenced, mega pack is already alot better then the normal pack

[main mirage]

should i make packs the daily discussion tomorrow

[mellow echo]

Idea.
Buffoon Pack has guaranteed Commons with higher chance of Editions.
Jumbo Buffoon has between 1 and all Uncommons (possibly with higher chance of Editions).
Mega Buffoon has same but for Rare.

Adjust the costs for balance as needed.

[main mirage]

or are we just doing all the ideas now

[winged pasture]

That's interesting

[tender musk]

nahh do the joker swaps for the public demo tomorrow

[main mirage]

not unless thunk wants to have that discussion

[winged pasture]

I'm not gonna stay here long sorry

I need a break

[tender musk]

completely fair

[mellow echo]

Joker swaps are important because it needs to be decided before the 25th
whereas Packs can be reworked futher in the future

[winged pasture]

Your theories are right btw I chose many of these Jokers knowing there was a high score contest

[tender musk]

im pretty sure you just told us that actually

[winged pasture]

Oh

Well

[mellow echo]

[winged pasture]

🙂

[tender musk]

lol

[raven pier]

add this joker in

[main mirage]

lol

[boreal reef]

Hopefully a few of the Xmult ones are removed, because rn it seems crowded

[winged pasture]

That Joker gives +4 mult per face card

[tender musk]

fr?

[mellow echo]

clip it!

[main mirage]

wow last leak of the day

[winged pasture]

It's scary face but mult

[boreal reef]

the +mult feel more rare then Xmult

[tender musk]

comforting face

[mellow echo]

it's not-so-scray-face

[main mirage]

scray

[boreal reef]

is it pants?

[winged pasture]

It's not pants

Pants are pants

[raven pier]

some

pants

[main mirage]

no

pants

[boreal reef]

is pants a part of a balatro exodia

like a whole outfit

[raven pier]

Trading Card has those pants

[tender musk]

exodia is deconfirmed unfortunately

[boreal reef]

i know, a man can hope though

[main mirage]

thunk, would you even want to have a daily discussion on this? or are you planning on figuring this out elsewhere, or on your own?

[tender musk]

#🏆・jimbos-invitational message

relevant^

[mellow echo]

Thunk always listens to us
doesn't necessarily always obey us
but also kind of does

[boreal reef]

its more like a suggestion

[mellow echo]

100% he'll be snoopin' if we be cookin'

[main mirage]

yeah but dedicating a daily discussion is a pretty large invitation to the subject, whereas thunk may prefer to have the conversation on their own terms

specific time, specific place, less people around,

[tender musk]

thats fair

[main mirage]

just trying to be considerate before deciding to involve the community on a real game design decision

[raven pier]

The thing is, localthunk has to take into account:

• the discussions on the Discord
• what casual players would think
• what he wants for the demo

So what we say is still one part of it anyway

[main mirage]

never would say it wasn't

[winged pasture]

You guys can discuss I don't mind, but remember I'm a stubborn bugger that won't listen sometimes

[covert umbra]

fair

[winged pasture]

I do want community input for swapping out Jokers though

Probably not that many

Yeah in all seriousness I do have a lot of considerations for swapping these out so please don't be offended if I don't go along with some of the things you guys come up with

I'll try my best to please everyone though!

[main mirage]

alright we have the green light on a daily discussion

stay tuned tomorrow

[mellow echo]

Great, I can sleep in that day

[covert umbra]

lol

[main mirage]

psych you get insomnia

[wicked hamlet]

replace every joker with blueprint

[narrow crane]

astounding

[wicked hamlet]

(now every run is jokerless)

[hot moss]

remove all jokers

[lapis remnant]

make every joker jimbo

[zenith sierra]

very yes

[zenith sierra]

remove all cards

[hot moss]

remove balatro

[covert umbra]

Kill Mr. Bones

[zenith sierra]

remove life

[zenith sierra]

doesn't that make Mr. Bones Mrs. Skin?

[covert umbra]

wh- what?

[zenith sierra]

just spitballing

cuz idk either

[tender musk]

hmm i think i will make a document outlining my thoughts for joker swaps

and i will colour code it

[covert umbra]

gl

[zenith sierra]

respectable

ill see what you write and maybe make my own

(probably not)

[safe zealot]

please dont take the client down but

im playing for fun

i didnt even have red seals xd

[tender musk]

holy shit lmfao

nice going

[main mirage]

no seals??

[safe zealot]

i had um

hack hack the one that copies the left joker and then obelisk obelisk

[main mirage]

dayum

[tender musk]

that'll do it lmao

[safe zealot]

and then i had flushhouse 3x polychrome glass 4s

with some Ks so

it was not optimal

[tender musk]

the upper limit for the invitational is so much higher than the sept demo

[main mirage]

still really good

[covert umbra]

gj hafu

thank for sharing your incredible runs

thats e10, didnt even notice that

truly the best balatro player in the demo rn

[mellow echo]

addict

Someone rework this into an ad

[covert umbra]

lol

[ionic solar]

holy moly 😮

[wicked hamlet]

holier molier 😮

[covert umbra]

btw one that copies leftmost is brainstorm, bs for short

[ionic solar]

beating the winning score by almost 4x 🤯

[covert umbra]

40x

e10

[ionic solar]

i cant math

[covert umbra]

preech brother

[ionic solar]

i told you when they started adding letters i was OUT lol

[covert umbra]

lol

I didnt notice at first also

[main mirage]

the letter e might be a permanent addition to balatro

[covert umbra]

guess we just gotta get use to that

[ionic solar]

82 billion is absolutely wild

[covert umbra]

cant wait for the demo to come out for us

CatianKing said they wanna try to be the records in 24 hours

[ionic solar]

one day ill crack 1 million...maybe. I gotta start taking notes

[covert umbra]

lol

I believe

maybe when people mod in the Joe Chip Kerry

I mean someone already made art

would be a heck of a waste to not mod it in

[ionic solar]

its an honor just to have the fan art done so even if it doesnt my year is still made lol.

[covert umbra]

lol

My first idea for what it would do is spawn coffee jokers on start of blind if it has room that on sell gives 50 chips to Chip for rest of blind

[floral bough]

Joe Chip Kerry
On blind select, spawn a coffee joker. (Must have room.) Reset chips at the end of round.
(Currently +0)

Coffee joker
On sell, Joe Chip Kerry gains 50 chips for the rest of the blind.

[wicked hamlet]

maybe change it to negative?

(the coffee jokers)

[lapis remnant]

wait what

isn't this just 50 chips forever

unless you save multiple coffees

[floral bough]

only if you had an empty space

and permanent income by selling coffee

[lapis remnant]

I guess

but this seems like its value shines as an econ joker rather than a chip joker

[floral bough]

yea, i’d prefer it if it was +10 chips permanently so it scales

[lyric hornet]

+15 chips per blind played?

[floral bough]

prob

[tender nova]

hi everyone, is there a channel on the server were people posted the new things we saw on the jimbo demo so that we can take a look at it ?

[mellow echo]

Pinned messages

[wintry topaz]

It's not the prettiest, but it's the core info is there

[mellow echo]

Evabryone? 🤔

[wintry topaz]

I am not functioning as a human today 😭

[mellow echo]

[tender nova]

tyty ^^

[main mirage]

lmao gottem

[tender musk]

is this channel gonna get archived at some point?

[winged pasture]

At some point yes it will

[tender musk]

coolio

[potent needle]

Could be turned into an "events" channel and enabled during events and the like

[radiant oak]

Does anyone have a list of the new tags and their descriptions? Can't find them

[potent needle]

#🏆・jimbos-invitational message

[radiant oak]

Thank you!

[wicked hamlet]

mod abuse /j

[hot moss]

nerf mods

/j

[radiant oak]

Does anyone know the numbers for flush five hand?

[lusty sluice]

I think it was 100/150 chips x 14 mult

[radiant oak]

Shouldn't flush house be worse than flush five? Iirc, flush house is 200x20

[wintry topaz]

Balance changes between versions perhaps

[raven pier]

Flush house was nerfed, yeah

[kind cove]

Flush house is harder to draw in the long run, compared to flush five, but yes, it was nerfed

[main mirage]

flush five: 150x14
flush house: 120x12
five of a kind: 100x10

[mellow echo]

Based on this, my plan is to aim for Vanilla Five (of a Kind)

[raven pier]

I think high score runs will probably use flush five or flush house depending on planet scaling

Straight flush requires too many levels to catch up I think, and requires a lot more tarots to create

Getting both for like x2 score compared to the other hand types doesn’t make sense when you could search for more copies of hack and leave the run open

[kind cove]

I'd say random seed would most likely use flush five, seeded might use straight flush (if the draws are seed-based, even if you can't manipulate them)

well, for hack strush you'd need an extra joker slot for fingers, so maybe not

[raven sundial]

screw high scores, just give me 👖 two pair build

[raven pier]

Also the most copies of a joker you can have in this demo is 7

3 in ante 1 from ankh and invisible joker, 1 more for each regular ante (in ante 6, you can duplicate an invisible joker bought in ante 5 round 1 during the boss)

[mellow echo]

In random seed, the first Flush Five is too hard to make, after which point you aren't guaranteed that many Planets before Ante 5.
A level 4 Vanilla Five is "close enough" to a level 3 Flush Five.

Flush Five is worth more, in theory, but the juice is not worth the squeeze (in random seed).

[kind cove]

I am mostly going from the fact you're probably resetting until you see that poly red seal card, and then make a bunch of copies

so they're going to be same suit

but I guess if you want to scale the hand it'd be easier to do with 5oak

too bad we're not seeing pareidolia or showman in the demo, meta start strategy might be something like brainstorm into ankh, before you ever find socknbuskin or hack

[mellow echo]

The thing is, the card you Seal is not typically a card you play because it'll be Glass.

Reroll for Seal/Poly.
Survive on Straight Flushes.
Play one Vanilla Five off of one Strength card.
Glass and copy your Starter Card.
Use a single suit changer to make it Vanilla Five instead of Flush Five.

[kind cove]

survive on straight flushes sounds like too much to ask

[mellow echo]

Well, you can survive less for sure

[kind cove]

fingers and seance might be too hard to find early

[mellow echo]

Shortcut, too

And Vagabond

[kind cove]

Yeah, I thought you mean use straight flushes as main hand? So I assume that seance's in, and you have some strush support, otherwise they're too hard to make consistently

[mellow echo]

Survivorship bias.
The runs which produce the high score are going to be Straight Flush focused

I guess
there's a difference between racing to be the first to beat the invitational score
vs trying to set an unbeatable score which will stand the test of time.

The "reroll for Red Seal, and then settle for Vanilla Five" I think is optimal for the first one
(is what I meant).

The "reroll for Polychrome and then go all in on Flush Five (entirely skipping over Vanilla Five)"
will be what achieves the second one (is possibly what MiF meant).

At the end of the day, the best score will require a lot of luck. So just plan on getting that luck.

[kind cove]

At the end of the day, the best score is the one that makes you happy

[pastel citrus]

I just want to get "Best hand: 69420"

That will make me happy

[kind cove]

I'm not aiming to set the highest possible score unseeded, just want to get the one that actually feels worth the time spent

in previous demo I couldnt 😭

[mellow echo]

😭

not for lack of trying, from what I saw

[kind cove]

Yeah, I think maybe my approach was incorrect at times and I was trying to do things one way without looking at other alternatives.

But Idk, it's hard for me to remember particular runs

[mellow echo]

My plan is to record a High Score and then not release it.
Keep one in the chamber for when some unsuspecting goon
is overly obnoxious with their High Score bragging.

[kind cove]

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-joker-balatro-joker-jimbo-jimbo-the-joker-gif-15307096256787117908

[wintry topaz]

I had a bokers speedrun idea today, but I'm not telling until I record it

[mellow echo]

👀

[rugged rose]

now that you say it, what does "if hand is played with $4 or less" mean?

[kind cove]

your current moner balance

[rugged rose]

ooooooohhhhh

so basically my perfect joker

[raven pier]

I was talking more about seeded
I think in unseeded runs for top high score, having polychrome and having more copies of hack/brainstorm will be the deciding factor

The most people will get though is probably 4 or 5 copies combined of both hack and brainstorm, unless they get insanely good RNG

[kind cove]

you can only get one copy

with ankh

no showman

[winged pasture]

Invis

[kind cove]

ohhh, I forgot

couldn't see him

so the perfect start is brainstorm + ankh, then finding invis along the way 🫡

hex could be optional, for some extra points

[raven pier]

By the way with brainstorm this goes up to 8

[kind cove]

you'd need some weird setup for it tho

cuz both rares are 10$, max you can have shop1 is 14$

oh wait, hmm

[winged pasture]

Not that this helps but invis is compatible with brainstorm

[kind cove]

can invis copy itself

free money generator 😹

[kind cove]

also it helps, if you have negative you want to copy

that way you make 2 negative copies every 3 rounds

[winged pasture]

You'd have to get rid of brainstorm though

Which I imagine you'd want to keep

[eternal tundra]

so also with BP?

[winged pasture]

Yes, but no blueprint in demo

[kind cove]

Can you find negative in buffoon pack? 🤔

[winged pasture]

Yes

[lethal pendant]

brainstorm is a more interesting blueprint

IM SORRY I HAD TO SAY IT

[scarlet vigil]

I'm trying to think of a situation where you would want brainstorm to copy invis...

[lapis remnant]

wait is everything that's compatible with bp compatible with brainstorm and vice versa

I'd have to assume so right

[winged pasture]

Yes

[lethal pendant]

thank god

i only have so much room in my head for arbitrary sets of data

and most of it is dedicated to finding where the buttons are at work

[winged pasture]

Brainstorm is more interesting I agree

[lethal pendant]

blueprint is awesome and it'd be a shame for it to change but man I can't help but feel its unhealthy for the game when brainstorm exists in an arguably more healthy state

[scarlet vigil]

Brainstorm doesn't copy effects like negative and poly right? I could see a scenario where you'd want an exact copy of a Joker like that.

[winged pasture]

In some ways invis is better

[lethal pendant]

yeah brainstorm copies the cards text not its modifiers

[kind cove]

depends - if you clone something like negative hack, its better to yeet brainstorm for extra hack, meaning you have a chance to get another brainstorm for another copy

[scarlet vigil]

Must be a seed out there with that kinda luck

[kind cove]

in perfect setup, you start with 1 invis and ankh, pick up negative hack and brainstorm in next 2 shops,
after 3 rounds you have +3x hack, then get 1 invis and 1 brainstorm, after 3 more rounds you have +2x hack, repeat until last ante

making it 10 copies of a single joker, in total

then you have 1 shop before ante 5 boss, or 2 shops before final boss

to pick up Idk baseball and another brainstorm

your perfect high score setup

[lusty tangle]

no with brainstorm sadly

[kind cove]

So 10^36 is close to the theoretical demo high score limit. Some adjustment from hand levels, but probably insignificant, also a few drops here and there from maybe some other jokers, like steven