🕹・game-discussion

[pale wolf]

not rn

[sonic nexus]

What

[pale wolf]

next update it will

[humble gulch]

Two Yoricks in a row

[pale wolf]

how is this possible!

[humble gulch]

LOL

[pale wolf]

how is this p !

[cosmic sun]

Generational todolist run

[tawdry epoch]

this means he makes your mult 0

[humble gulch]

No because stencils don't count other stencils

[serene forge]

double fib with ancient is certainly a sight

[humble gulch]

Including themselves

[tawdry epoch]

i wasnt being serious

[humble gulch]

Invis fucked me up

[humble gulch]

Yeah, but like, it's wrong

[serene forge]

common invis L

[cosmic sun]

Ante 7 Obelisk

[serene forge]

if you have a stencil at x0 or a bootstraps in the negatives nothing happens

you can't lower your score like that

[ruby vessel]

Negative ramen would go hard would be a decent challenge run where u lose from too many discards

[humble gulch]

Free win

[pale wolf]

make me

[cloud sinew]

it would just be a forced lobotomy run

[pale wolf]

reminds me of my old kaizo balatro idea

[humble gulch]

Man, I really want some econ

[ruby vessel]

Is that bad? We already have monolith. And I’d argue X-ray vision forces either high card or flush

[ruby vessel]

Showman is interesting

[pale wolf]

also apparently impossible to code

[cosmic sun]

Aight Riff Raff

[pale wolf]

you could cheat at it though, just make duplicates reroll into a diff joker of the same rarity

[tall sapphire]

DECK BLOAT ABOUT TO BE CRAZY

[ruby vessel]

Blue joker and hologram will carry

[tall sapphire]

erosion:

[ruby vessel]

Erosions kind of ass anyway

There’s other jokers that reward u more for deck fixing

[pale wolf]

erosion is my favrite joker in the world

[cloud sinew]

the problem isnt really that it doesnt reward you for deckfixing

it's that lobotomy doesnt really rely on deckfixing, and it's what most runs will be running

adding cards to your deck isnt really punishing if you dont need to see specific ranks or suits

[rigid island]

Wadoidooo

[pale wolf]

lef tleft leftl wlcr left left left left left left left

[rigid island]

Ok

I think I understand

[pale wolf]

flushes forevers

[rigid island]

Space is lowkey an opp

Bro just CANNOT LEVEL UP FLUSH

[pale wolf]

ruination

[tall sapphire]

the flint was crafted by the most evil side of local thunks mind

[cosmic sun]

batro

[tall sapphire]

what is that joker in the bottom right that i dont have unlocked

i mean discovered

i know one of them is the rock of diamonds

[rigid island]

GLASS

GLASS JOKER

[fallow shadow]

charge yo phone (my phone is at 15 as i type this)

[rigid island]

I REMEMEBR

[tall sapphire]

ohhh

dude i havent seen glass joker in any run ive ever played

[rigid island]

What is this

[fallow shadow]

glass joker is goat joker

[rigid island]

That’s why u haven’t discovered it🧠🧠

[fallow shadow]

leaked 1.1

[rigid island]

NOOO

BAD PATCHES

[fallow shadow]

sorry im lying to you to make you upset

[fallow shadow]

its this

[rigid island]

Oh

Well that’s alright

Guys

[pale wolf]

well I was trying to communicate in code but yes it is actually leaked 1.1

🦓

[rigid island]

I am playing purple sta-

BWAGA

WHAT

[pale wolf]

no i lied it is kaizo concept

[rigid island]

I HAVE BEEN FOOLED TWICE

SHAME ON YOU

okay anyways

I am playing purple stake checkeredeck

[versed sable]

the flint not triggering it is a scam

[rigid island]

I’m wondering if I should play plasma deck

[pale wolf]

did the space joker game die

[rigid island]

Yeah…

[pale wolf]

this isnt matador

[versed sable]

what

[rigid island]

Zoom in

Zoom in on pic

I think it’s extra hard mode

[fallow shadow]

how does crimson heart work

[fallow shadow]

i know the other screenie mentioned it

yes.... yes!!!!!!

exactly what i hoped for

cerulean is also hilarious

[rigid island]

CHAT

purple stake checker deck or plasma deck white stake

I’m trying to get all the decks

[long zodiac]

The ADHD in me wants to play plasma deck

Just to see the balanced numbers

[rigid island]

specifically I’m wondering if it’d be faster to go through ALL of plasma deck than like 2 stakes in checkered

[pale wolf]

my fav idea from this is still either showman reverting duplicates when it's sold, or 6th sense strengthing the 6

[brave goblet]

plasma isn't so easy on higher stakes

[rigid island]

Ok

Also what does the clubs mean on your name

I’m new to the server

[brave goblet]

just role colors I think

you can pick whichever

[rigid island]

Oh

[brave goblet]

I think everyone just picks the suit they like

[pale wolf]

mfw no stone or wild

[devout wasp]

i hate them all 😡

[brave goblet]

valid

[pale wolf]

i guess no role is stone

[brave goblet]

wait do we have card enh roles?

[devout wasp]

nah i'm a debuffed wild card

[rigid island]

Where do I find it

[pale wolf]

no

top channel.list

[devout wasp]

should be on the channel sidebar, under Channels & Roles

[brave goblet]

your fate rests on what suit you choose

[rigid island]

Erm

[brave goblet]

hmmmm

this is what you should be getting

[long zodiac]

We need joker roles at some point to add to the suits

[brave goblet]

where are all the gross michelles

[long zodiac]

Michelle needs to be represented bc she is a lovely lady

[brave goblet]

she can't stop leaving all her heartbroken suitors though

[rigid island]

I refreshed my tab and it worked

I like the blue color club though

[ruby vessel]

Why tf does jokerless have cards like hex and temperance knowing damn well we don’t have any jokers

[brave goblet]

just to taunt you

otherwise it's too broken with how easy it is to get tarots

[ruby vessel]

I like hearts bc of bloodstone. I don’t think it’s good but the hate is crazy and I always like to root for the sleeper picks

[brave goblet]

the bell curve of sleeper picks

[ruby vessel]

Finding out chicot was a sleeper pick blew my mind

Esp considering how much people complain abt the plant

[brave goblet]

chicot isn't reallllly worth it for the plant

but yeah it is really funny

[rigid island]

On Sunday I got 3 souls in 2 hrs and I didn’t win a single one

😭😭

Ima eat lunch? Now

[brave goblet]

istg every time I get chicot I just lose

[ruby vessel]

The real boss blinds were the chicots we made along the way

[brave goblet]

real

[tawny sluice]

Why are there so many ♣ in names?

Looks like a fan favourite or summin

[humble gulch]

Chicot is so good

[tawny sluice]

Chicot is the weakest legendary imo

[humble gulch]

Trib is

Is the most unreliable one and has hard counters

It's not bad, but like

The worst legendary

[tawny sluice]

I guess, I just did really well with it the only time I got it

[humble gulch]

In white stake you can do pretty much anything and win

[tawny sluice]

It was orange stake

Just built full houses with kings and queens from near the start

[digital pewter]

trib is a majority of the time a free win like most of the legendaries as long as you have specifically the boss reroll voucher(s)

[tawny sluice]

with chad

[humble gulch]

Tho in the end Trib needs a lot more resources

[digital pewter]

i mean yeah but even just scoring x4 mult from even just playing two kings/queens is pretty huge

not every trib run has to be 5oak

[humble gulch]

Trib is two pair

[brittle ocean]

Not full house?

[digital pewter]

full house was my first thought

since twopair still has low planet mult scaling

[brittle ocean]

Full house is marginally harder to make but has 5 cards and better planets

[tawny sluice]

about the only good joker that is suited to full houses, except maybe walkie talkie

[hidden lance]

YES FINALLY

[brittle ocean]

Noice

[red briar]

GG

[cloud sinew]

fib

[red briar]

C++ is something i can never hope to achieve 🙏

[tawny sluice]

how do you mean (I very much didn't think too hard after coming to this conclusion)

[brittle ocean]

C++ takes less time than C+ doesn’t it

[hidden lance]

honestly theres only 3 jokers that suck really bad

[brittle ocean]

C+ needs 120 games, which would be equivalent to 1.25 jokers per game for C++

[red briar]

?

[plain ermine]

i do not like the erratic deck

[cloud sinew]

C+ is 120 wins, C++ is ~50 wins

[tawny sluice]

C++ is very rng to getting the last jokers though I'd have thought

[red briar]

assuming that you get a unique set of jokers every time that win every game then sure it takes a shorter time

[hidden lance]

well yeah but c++ is pretty luck dependent. i spent like the last 2 weeks hunting the seltzer

[cloud sinew]

popcorn, bean, michel, seltz and ice cream are all pretty bad

[tawny sluice]

which 3?

[red briar]

and there's a very heavy learning curve to C+ too assuming it's your first time

[hidden lance]

ice cream has a pretty long life span

[fickle wraith]

what is this

[ruby vessel]

Personally I did C+ before C++

[brittle ocean]

I did too

[ruby vessel]

I learned more going after C+ and it made C++ easier

[brittle ocean]

But C++ took less time

[red briar]

i mean

i have C+ but i'm still very bad at the game

[brittle ocean]

I think if I went for C++ earlier I wouldn’t completed it earlier

[red briar]

i only got it because i was very lucky

[brittle ocean]

I think if you start playing only gold you’ll get better as you do it

[ruby vessel]

Ig id have to try both again bc i was also worse when i did C+

[cloud sinew]

20 hands is not much

thats just over 5 rounds typically

[brittle ocean]

Also you can just spam the easiest deck and reset spam until you get an op start

[red briar]

unless i'm lucky then ante 2-3 is where i die on gold stake

every single time

[brittle ocean]

Cause it takes like one minute to reset early on a bad start

And you don’t have to waste time on a run that’s unlikely to succeed

[ruby vessel]

Yah that’s fair

[brittle ocean]

Aka be able to win with 4 joker slots so you have at least one free for stickering

[red briar]

i'm just not good enough at making decisions to play gold stake casually =w=

[hidden lance]

i think i got it at like ante 6 when i got the sticker. i was strong enough where it survived but didnt need to worry about a round limit

[rigid island]

I’m new to balatro what is c plus or plus plus

[hidden lance]

pop corn and bean is way worse

[red briar]

C+ = gold stake win with every deck

C++ = gold sticker on every joker

[cloud sinew]

well yeah that's why theyre higher priority on my list

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[rigid island]

Thanks

[red briar]

i have lost 39 consecutive multiplayer games

because everyone who plays multiplayer is substantially better than me

[rigid island]

Uhm

[red briar]

is it time to quit 🥺

[serene forge]

39 🎶

[rigid island]

What is multiplayer??

[red briar]

Mod

[cloud sinew]

it's a mod

[rigid island]

Ohhhh

[red briar]

still though,,,

[serene forge]

play balatro (its better than balatro multiplayer)

[red briar]

i need some coaching on balatro

very desperately =w=

[brittle ocean]

Try attending Balatro university

[red briar]

tried that

[brittle ocean]

That helped me during my first c++ when I discovered pairs are op

[red briar]

drspectred's videos are informative but i struggle to apply what he says in my runs

[brittle ocean]

Then I did a second one for funsies and it was much faster

[red briar]

Hufff,,,

[rigid island]

8 wins in a weekend good? I started playing 3 weeks ago

[brittle ocean]

I think just slowing down to think more before decisions is important

[red briar]

my runs are always like

30-45 minutes

[cloud sinew]

and just thinking why you think you should do something before doing it

[brittle ocean]

Yeah

And looking at what the upcoming boss blind is immediately after reaching a new ante

[red briar]

the problem is that an idea will sound very good in my head and be foolproof then it just doesn't work

[rigid island]

I had Balatro on my iPad and phone, and my iPad had NO progress and I had all my stuff on my phone and I played on my iPad for the first time in like 2 weeks and some glitch with the cloud storage made my phone reset

[brittle ocean]

That one took a bit of time to get used to but now it’s just a habit

[red briar]

i do this though =w=

i'm doing everything people say i should but seeing no improvement TwT

if anything i've gotten worse at the game

[brittle ocean]

Hmm

[rigid island]

By the way, if your iOS devices aren’t syncing Balatro, try clearing your iCloud storage

[brittle ocean]

Do you reroll too much maybe?

Or barely at all?

[red briar]

nope

i always keep my money above 25

and never reroll above 10$

[brittle ocean]

What ante do you usually die at

[red briar]

depends on the stake

gold stake is typically ante 2-3

maybe even 4

[brittle ocean]

Hmm

[hidden lance]

well now the high of my accomplishment went away. whats next

[red briar]

do it AGAIN...but faster

[hidden lance]

nah

[brittle ocean]

Do you skip scoring jokers early on to save money

[red briar]

not really

if i see an eternal gluttonous joker on ante 2 i'd think "that's kind of rough but i have to take it so i don't die"

my money usually lacks in gold stake but if i try to greed then i die to scoring

[brittle ocean]

What hand do you usually go for

[red briar]

for the first few antes i usually play big hands

like flushes, straights, or full houses

[brittle ocean]

Valid

[red briar]

until i find a joker i can pivot to then start doing that

[brittle ocean]

I think pairs are the meta for gold stake

[red briar]

i just want to get to a point where i can turn any run into something that'll win

[brittle ocean]

Not necessarily that you have to force it but just that it’s a pretty good way to win consistently

[brittle ocean]

Do you look for a chips joker and a +mult joker early on

[red briar]

yeah

i normally try to have chips, and either 1 +mult and 2 xmult or 2 +mult and 1 xmult

and then something econ in the other slot

[brittle ocean]

Hmm yeah it sounds to me like you have all the basics down

[red briar]

well yeah but

basics aren't enough to win consistently on gold stake

or at all

[brittle ocean]

Yeah it’s a lot of in the moment decision making

[red briar]

i always try to make the logically "right" decision but it never works

[tawny sluice]

what are your thoughts on planet merchant?

[brittle ocean]

I think the game would be better if planet merchant was removed from existence

[tawny sluice]

oof

strong opinions

[red briar]

planet merchant is just kind of useless

[brittle ocean]

It’s not just useless, it’s actively harmful usually

[tawny sluice]

yeah unless you have the planet joker

[brittle ocean]

Except the case where you have constellation

[tawny sluice]

thoughts on the one where you buy playing cards from the shop though?

I never really get it

[heady narwhal]

if planet merchant were removed from existence, 50% of #1155557846805643434 and r/balatro would be people reinventing planet merchant

[red briar]

Hologram?

[brittle ocean]

It’s also actively bad usually

Except for with hologram

[pale wolf]

what if there was a voucher that increased the number of jokers in shop :)

[brittle ocean]

Overstock?

[heady narwhal]

it doesn't really make sense to me to have the tarot voucher and not have the planet equivalent, even though planet merchant is garbage

[hearty tusk]

"hmmm, i wonder what this person's pronouns could be? surely, it couldn't be obvious..."

[red briar]

there are alot of situations where vouchers are actively harmful in balatro though

[pale wolf]

planet merchant can be takeable sometimes

[cloud sinew]

takeable 😭

doesnt mean it's good to do so

[heady narwhal]

zodiac deck buff: start run with Tarot Merchant, Planet Merchant, Joker Merchant, and Overstock

[pale wolf]

constellation runs, astronomer campfire

just campfire in general

[tawny sluice]

also thoughts on tarot merchant? I don't normally get that either but it feels slightly better than the other two

[heady narwhal]

i like tarot merchant

[red briar]

tarot merchant is very good to have

in my experience

naneinf runs benefit alot from tarot merchant and tarot tycoon when you eventually have your jokers all lined up

[heady narwhal]

money tarots exist so you're nto really missing out on jokers

[brittle ocean]

I personally usually just go merchant and no tycoon

[cloud sinew]

you dont really care about deckfixing or econ from tarots if youre doing naneinf tbh

because you should be getting so much econ in-round

[brittle ocean]

Yeah late game I skip the merchant too

[red briar]

still though 🤷‍♂️

maybe i don't know because i am the Worst™ balatro player in existence

[tawny sluice]

I feel you need to be a bit established with money for the -$10 though

[shell dagger]

Tarot merchant is good, tycoon is ass

In naneinf

[cloud sinew]

mhm

4 -> 9.6 is not too bad for your shop, still worse than misprint

but 9.6 -> 32 is horrific

[tawny sluice]

what are these numbers btw?

[shell dagger]

Tarot weights

[cloud sinew]

the weights

all weights at base: tarot is 4, planet is 4, jokers are 20

so the odds of something appearing in a slot is (item weight) / (total weight)

[tawny sluice]

oh yeah 32 is a lot

[red briar]

i dont even know about playing balatro anymore gang =w=

it's never fun because i always die at ante 2-4

[brittle ocean]

There’s always the strat of resetting till you get an investment tag or a good holo/foil tag joker

[tawny sluice]

are you playing just on gold stake or any?

[fiery nymph]

hi bugger

[shell dagger]

I think the lack of jokers you see by taking merchant is almost made up for in temperance

I saw someone somewhere calculated it

[cloud sinew]

and magic trick really isnt too much of a detriment for endless because playing cards are only a weight of 4

so it goes from 20/28 to 20/32 to find a joker per slot

[red briar]

hi 🥺

it may be the end of my balatro career

[red briar]

any stake

i just lose

[proven gulch]

name checks out? 😭

hop on the spire

[tawny sluice]

I can't guess the reason but are you planning too far in the future for points?

[red briar]

im ass at roguelikes 🥺

i either need to get unusually lucky or lose

[tawny sluice]

too much focus on deckfixing or summin?

[red briar]

nope

[proven gulch]

that's not a thing

[red briar]

i try to get early scoring and just fail every single time'

[raven raven]

theres no way

[pale wolf]

does any body Please know the unlcoking condition for scribly joker i see on roffle?

[red briar]

balatro is more of a luck game to me than a strategy game

[brittle ocean]

Wanna stream a run maybe?

[red briar]

i could do

[brittle ocean]

I’m not an expert or anything but I think I’m alright ish at gold stake

[proven gulch]

sell all your jokers against Verdant Leaf

[brittle ocean]

Not as good as the gold stake streakers here

[red briar]

i mean

i'm not even a particularly decent white stake player

probably below average

[pale wolf]

i did that before

[proven gulch]

It has to be on blue stake specifically

[pale wolf]

im gonna go super subscribe to roffle and ask him

[shell dagger]

Discard a royal straight

[pale wolf]

THANK YOU i assume this is a straight with baron yes

[tawny sluice]

Maybe too choosey with jokers? Not deck/hand fixing to the jokers you have?

[shell dagger]

Yes

[red briar]

it's not really any of these things

i take any joker if it'll help me win

and i try to deck fix to what i have

i just dont see what i could be doing wrong

[tawny sluice]

what hand do you go for

normally

[red briar]

flushes, full houses, straights early

[pale wolf]

anyways beginner advice hurray:
first round (DONT SKIP) is high ranks flush, full house with 3 high ranks, or Q high straight
get +mult or chippies
save money to $25, spend money on applicable economy jokers if you see them

[cloud sinew]

you should just play a run

and show what you do

because you wont know what youre doing wrong until its pointed out

[red briar]

like in vc?

[cloud sinew]

no

[daring perch]

its a royal flush (straight and flush at the same time w/ all ranks 10+)

[tawny sluice]

I occasionally skip the first blind if it's a good thing like investment tag

[pale wolf]

holy moly that sounds impossible

[daring perch]

checkered deck is your friend

[cloud sinew]

just send screenshots at important moments, like when you go into a shop and then ask what you should do (and say what you would do)

[red briar]

i'll try it

[pale wolf]

lilo do you watch the neareinf discussions

[daring perch]

investment tag is the only good thing

[red briar]

gold stake blue deck for the sake of simplicity

[cloud sinew]

only a tiny bit

[shell dagger]

You’d need to be insane and maybe a little vain to have checkered deck be your friend

[cloud sinew]

i was interested a little but then i got bored because its just a bunch of bruteforcing math

[brittle ocean]

This could be helpful too

Streaming

[cloud sinew]

eh

[tawny sluice]

yeah thinking about it, if it's free neg I might go for gambling mentality

[cloud sinew]

it's easier to get responses if you post a screenshot because people dont have to be on call with you

[daring perch]

always be gambling

if it’s bad you can always restart tbf it is ante 1

[pale wolf]

this is their latest setup

[red briar]

here i would probably take the mad joker is that even correct

[tawny sluice]

you mean matador?

or left one?

[daring perch]

whats the boss blind

[tawny sluice]

idk what that one is

[shell dagger]

I would do tha

If i was streaking

[daring perch]

if it’s a debuff blind matador would be great

otherwise mad joker for sure

[red briar]

it's the window

[shell dagger]

If i wasnt streaking id take matador if the boss was a valid boss

[pale wolf]

tha what, rt?!

[tawny sluice]

I would go matador if you can trigger it a bunch or mad joker otherwise

[daring perch]

buy matador

[brittle ocean]

I also like holographic and foil cause you can reset with little time invested if it lands on a rental or showman or smth

[red briar]

if i bought matador i have no clue how i would score in the boss

unless i find something really good in 2nd shop

[daring perch]

spam hands with diamonds in the boss

[shell dagger]

2 5 card hands and 3 pairs

Easier said than done

[pale wolf]

2 (two) flushes and some trash

[shell dagger]

But not unrealistic on blue deck

[tawny sluice]

you only need 1 card with diamond in a full house/pair etc

[shell dagger]

Flushes kinda poop tho

Prefer straights or full house here

[pale wolf]

they are

[red briar]

i would probably look in the buffoon pack rn

[shell dagger]

Yeah

[red briar]

so i dont genuinely die during the boss

[daring perch]

you don’t NEED a scoring joker in ante 1 boss (especially on blue)

[cloud sinew]

i would take the emperor

because worst case you sell the cards it spawns for $2 and you can buy the buffoon pack

[red briar]

why?

[brittle ocean]

I’d also take the emperor

[pale wolf]

emperor has temperance and lovers

[red briar]

sun and empress

[tawny sluice]

I would go pack but emperor is solid too

[daring perch]

buffoon pack is best play prob

[shell dagger]

Nvm emperor first

[daring perch]

get a scoring joker for ante 2 or more cash

[brittle ocean]

If you get temperance, save it for after the boss

[red briar]

i didnt

i got sun and empress

sell and go for buffoon pack?

[brittle ocean]

There’s also the option of savescumming

[red briar]

er, no?

[brittle ocean]

Aka go to main menu and back and it’ll undo the emperor buy

[pale wolf]

savescumming is optimal

[shell dagger]

Empress is almost guaranteed boss win

[red briar]

savescumming is also how you don't improve at the game

[serene forge]

i <3 yuri

[daring perch]

savescumming is for cowards and misclicks

[daring perch]

true…

[brittle ocean]

Savescumming is a perfectly normal feature of the game

[red briar]

it's not really intended

[cloud sinew]

i think it's okay to savescum, but you shouldnt make bad plays just because you can savescum it

[red briar]

i'll savescum the emperor just this once

[pale wolf]

it would be fairly easy to fix

[red briar]

so i can actually win a gold stake run

[tawny sluice]

I think it's just preference, I prefer not to myself

[brittle ocean]

Yeah

[shell dagger]

Empress is literally fine

[red briar]

i'll just go for the buffoon pack

[brittle ocean]

I just have savescumming as part of my arsenal of tools

[pale wolf]

you already can't hit the pause menu during lots of animations and completely closing the game for scumming is more work than is worth it (at least for me)

[daring perch]

i don’t savescum unless i fatfinger something

[shell dagger]

Also its -1 dollar which wont matter once you instantly reach interest with matador

[red briar]

i guess so

i'll just play the boss and get back

[waxen quartz]

why not do it this way?

[brazen goblet]

guys.... im so cooked

[pale wolf]

because the point is to not score naneinf

[brazen goblet]

folks

[waxen quartz]

k, lol

[fading dome]

If I say to myself "I'm gonna sell my invisible joker" and misclick into selling my joker stencil then savescum to actually sell invis I don't think that's hurting my game skill

[brazen goblet]

one has to go

[brittle ocean]

What’s with the sock

[pale wolf]

i dont see optimizing the game thru savescumming as a loss of skill, its just a different paradigm

[brittle ocean]

What I say to myself if “I’m gonna sell my invisible joker and see what it lands on” then savescum and sell jokers if I don’t like it

[red briar]

i think i did pretty good on the matador this time around

shop doesn't look so good

[daring perch]

you can do whatever you want forever

[brittle ocean]

Exactly this, it’s just another tool

[red briar]

id probably reroll

[pale wolf]

i 100% abuse it though

[brittle ocean]

That not everyone likes to use

[tawny sluice]

yeah probably me too

[shell dagger]

Probably an easy way of controlling mult

Compared to kings

The easiest is planet levels but those suck

[brittle ocean]

Prolly worth a reroll to not die

Or planets

[red briar]

rerolled into a negative perishable business card and an eternal rental crazy joker

[pale wolf]

that's how they get the exact amount of retriggers of 1.5x they need

[red briar]

very rough indeed

[brittle ocean]

$5 to hope to see a good joker or $4 to hope to see a good planet

[red briar]

boss is the house so matador is useless here

[fading dome]

Then you're clearly not making a mistake and undoing it, you're selecting a different outcome on purpose and seeing if you like the result

The difference is whether you could say beforehand whether you want to undo it or not

[valid plover]

i saw Balatro footage online

how the fuck are people making their entire deck full of kings

[tawny sluice]

Oof

[brittle ocean]

Yeah im not claiming to use savescumming in a principled way lol

I abuse the heck out of it when I can

[tawny sluice]

over time you can build up kings with just deaths

[red briar]

here i would probably use just one more reroll to see if i can fish fo anything good

[brittle ocean]

Which is mostly useful for invis and ecto

[pale wolf]

savescumming is optimal
optimal play is often degenerate

[brittle ocean]

Or wheel of fortune if I feel like using that much time for $3

[shell dagger]

If you savescum wheel it’ll never hit

[tawny sluice]

should have said before but I just noticed reroll voucher

[shell dagger]

Just tank the $3 then you might get it later

[brittle ocean]

Yeah

[pale wolf]

deterministic game, there isnt rng you can reroll, You just get to see every branch

[brittle ocean]

So I usually tank it

[daring perch]

If you savescum wheel it’ll never hit

[pale wolf]

Not if I save scum a wheel that did hit 😎

[tawny sluice]

people's thoughts on getting reroll surplus? is it worth it?

[shell dagger]

Yes

[pale wolf]

I sure do like it

[brittle ocean]

Probably not rn cause it’ll go under $25

[waxen quartz]

it's fine, knocks a half a category out of the pool

[shell dagger]

I’d put it lower on the priority list than overstock but higher than seed money

[tawny sluice]

I like it a lot, particularly later game

[shell dagger]

About the same as clearance sale

Clearance is better early

[waxen quartz]

everything's lower on the priority list than overstock

[pale wolf]

second reroll voucher is one of the ones thats better than the first

[shell dagger]

Out of the econ ones, sure, but grabber and paintbrush aren’t

[tawny sluice]

I just have 'worth it' and 'not worth it', and it is worth it to me if I'm not broke

[brittle ocean]

Antimatter would like to have a word

[daring perch]

not necessarily

[waxen quartz]

antimatter doesn't do any good until you can see something worthwhile in the shop 🙂

[shell dagger]

I’m talking about my list

I cant talk on behalf of everyone

[pale wolf]

grabber stomps overstock into a pancake

[tawny sluice]

I would put them about the same actually

both are like the best 2

[daring perch]

overstock is always good

[pale wolf]

grabbar 11 tiers above overstock

[brittle ocean]

Grabber is also always good

[daring perch]

grabber is sometimes good but when it is its much better

[tranquil steppe]

Well that was fun

[brittle ocean]

Worst case it’s +$1 per round

[pale wolf]

i just love blue deck

[daring perch]

(sometimes is most times. but not always)

[daring perch]

10 rounds to break even if you buy at 35

[brittle ocean]

25% more scaling on scaling jokers

[shell dagger]

More digging power

[daring perch]

depends on the build

[tawny sluice]

It's hard most builds to use all hands for scaling

[daring perch]

isnt scaling my runner when i win in two hands

[brittle ocean]

Fair

You can dig more for blue seals too tho

[shell dagger]

But its giving you an extra hand to find the straight

[tranquil steppe]

What’s it gonna be???

[brittle ocean]

@red briar how’s the run going

[tawny sluice]

probably chicot

[daring perch]

chicot

[brittle ocean]

Trib

[naive frigate]

Triboulet

[brittle ocean]

Actually Trib wouldn’t be too bad with dusk

So probably chicot

[tranquil steppe]

Holy trib holy shit!!! What a pull

[naive frigate]

Im always righr about soul guesses

And its holo too

[brittle ocean]

I was right the first time

:(

[naive frigate]

Drop the seed bjg dawg

[tranquil steppe]

Holo soul has to be pretty rare

[naive frigate]

I wz yrying to soellt rihoulet correcrly 5 secknda

Ok.

[tranquil steppe]

I will share the seed later if you’re talking to me

[brittle ocean]

I was trying to sell ricochet

[naive frigate]

Ures

Yes

[tranquil steppe]

Dusk and holo trib in the first shop is nuts

There was drivers license too but I went with dusk since DL won’t do anything for a while

[naive frigate]

Real

[pallid ferry]

balatro

[pale wolf]

WHAT DECK do i play

[tawny sluice]

Straight deck?

[naive frigate]

John baalyro

[naive frigate]

Ack

Blacj

[pallid ferry]

yellow get rich quick!

[pale wolf]

and yellow it is

[tawny sluice]

wait straight isn't a deck

[pallid ferry]

omg .. im honored ..

[fading dome]

pretty sure I saw black in chat

[naive frigate]

Thsts not fair.vro

Do black deck

[pale wolf]

i think your parser is generous

[pallid ferry]

[tawny sluice]

you want to make zebra suffer?

[fading dome]

I usually do

[pale wolf]

i cant abide by typos are you kitten me

[pallid ferry]

miau

[pale wolf]

black and yellow black and yellow

[fading dome]

run it back on the black deck yellow sleeve

[tawny sluice]

What are your thoughts on hieroglyph?

[naive frigate]

Bad

[brittle ocean]

Good

[tawny sluice]

I'm hearing mixed messages here

[pale wolf]

good a fair amount of time, net positive on hands after ante 6

[fading dome]

thragg looking kinda cute ngl

[brittle ocean]

I see a disgusting sight on the bottom left corner

[tawny sluice]

Nice you can get a net +$0

[naive frigate]

?

[brittle ocean]

Planet merchant

[naive frigate]

Oh

Yeah

[tawny sluice]

If you save up you might be able to get it by the end of the ante

[round swift]

What is usually the best card to put on a blue seal?

[pale wolf]

and i said hey!
what a wonderful kind of day

[brittle ocean]

Déjà vu on the 3 of clubs trust

[pale wolf]

not face card, whatever suit boss has already been defeated

or a steel card

[naive frigate]

Can you.use immolate eith 5 hand sizeහ

[pale wolf]

or whatever rank you want the most of already

[tawny sluice]

steel/gold

[round swift]

I see
Makes sense

Why not a face card tho?

[brittle ocean]

[pale wolf]

plant

[tawny sluice]

I seem to always go for something I am less likely to play in hand

[pale wolf]

but like sometimes the rank you want is a face card and then it's okay

[naive frigate]

Meant 4 hand size

[round swift]

Ohh right

Thank you

[tawny sluice]

idk, probably

[fading dome]

should be able to, as long as you don't have only 1 card in hand

[tawny sluice]

I got my hand size down to 1 once

[pale wolf]

dont mind if i diddly do

oh thank u

[tawny sluice]

Also had like 20 cards in deck and 2 erosions

you going for 2 pair build?

[viral raft]

2pair ❌❌😡❌😡
Pair with 2pair in-between ✅✅🔥✅🔥

[pale wolf]

I already leveled 2pair but i guess i have to use pants

I took an orbital tag for 2pair

[tawny sluice]

oh yeah I forgot orbital exists, never really check it if I see the icon

[viral raft]

tbh Orbital tags should select your most played hand

[brittle ocean]

What does the jokers role mean btw

[viral raft]

the fact that is random makes it awful 99% of the time

[cloud sinew]

localthunk made you blue

[pale wolf]

yooo ive got the ? glitch!!

[viral raft]

that Zebra and Lilo are better than any of us combined

[viral raft]

this used to happen to me alot in mobile and ps4, what is this means???

[cloud sinew]

ive had this once before

its so weird

[viral raft]

when i saw it first time i thought my ps4 was just fricking out or something

[pale wolf]

i accidentally exited the app while i was holding this picture so maybe that had to do with it

[brittle ocean]

Thoughts on attempting gsg vs doing a third c++?

[tawny sluice]

what is gsg?

[cloud sinew]

gsg is more rewarding imo

[viral raft]

gsg is harder imo

[cloud sinew]

gold stake gauntlet; 15 wins in a row, once on each deck

[viral raft]

i love doing C++s over and over again but gsg is harder overall

[brittle ocean]

I would ask how hard but I think that’s very subjective

[viral raft]

also more cooler

[brittle ocean]

Do you have a recommended deck order (obv black first but after that)

[cloud sinew]

15 wins in a row at gold stake on any deck is already very difficult

[viral raft]

you need 15 gold stake wins, with each deck, i think that alone is very self-explanatory that is not a walk on the park

[tawny sluice]

You don't want to just do it in order?

[cloud sinew]

having to do most of them on the horrible to mid decks makes that astronomically harder

[viral raft]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

harder -> easiest means you lose less progress

[brittle ocean]

I think black is the hardest so doing it first is best

[pale wolf]

B8CQK354
I didn't want to play black deck

[cloud sinew]

i have an order if you want to follow it

[brittle ocean]

That would be great

[viral raft]

my best streak on gold was 10, imagine doing 15 with all decks lol

[brittle ocean]

(I’m almost certainly gonna fail and just go to c++)

[viral raft]

i need to get better ngl

[winged magnet]

Was fortune teller always common? I remember it being uncommon am i making it up?

[viral raft]

now, which is harder? C++ deathless with a great deck or GSG

[cloud sinew]

it has always been common

[viral raft]

since day 1 it's common

[cloud sinew]

for reference i played 700 runs to get GSG

[winged magnet]

I guess so

[brittle ocean]

Jeez

That might be more runs than I’ve done lifetime

[pale wolf]

i think ill just stop playing for the night

[viral raft]

Credit card and reroll once to get Certificated + hologram combo

[pale wolf]

actually yea

[pale wolf]

wins or attempts

[cloud sinew]

that's wins+losses, so attempts

[pale wolf]

ok

nope

[cloud sinew]

my winrate per deck was ~12% on average iirc

which isnt surprising considering resets happened the most early with the hardest decks

and the easiest ones i barely played because of that

[pale wolf]

wtf you werent even good you just nolifed it 🦓

[viral raft]

makes sense

and which is the order?

[pale wolf]

(jk)

[cloud sinew]

L + GSG ratio

[shell dagger]

3x for straights

[cloud sinew]

im searching through my images for the order tierlist i made

[viral raft]

like, which decks i'll go first then which ones are the last

[viral raft]

ok

[cloud sinew]

the 2 easiest and 2 hardest are the most obvious placements

[shell dagger]

Is this a tierlist that ranks all 15! combinations

[viral raft]

i was thinking of starting GSG or C++ Deathless

[cloud sinew]

black, plasma
blue, yellow

[viral raft]

true

and the rest is personal selection?

[fiery nymph]

c++ deathless is free

[viral raft]

damn fr? i'll take 10

[cloud sinew]

there are ~4 or so that differ a lot, but i would recommend sticking to it for the most part

[viral raft]

oh ok

[fiery nymph]

here you go
c++, c++, c++, c++, c++, c++, c++, c++, c++, c++,

[shell dagger]

Ctrl c ctrl v merchant

[brittle ocean]

I would assume just deck difficulty?

[viral raft]

so, i just start with Black, Plasma, Nebula, maybe Green, then i go whatever i want and then i end with the goats which are the same ~3 decks

[viral raft]

right?

[brittle ocean]

Is green considered hard

It’s been a while since I played green

[shell dagger]

Yeah

[viral raft]

the "maybe" is because i personally consider it as a bad deck

but i need to learn how to play it

[shell dagger]

Decent ante 1 then trash as soon as you pick up a hand scaler

[cloud sinew]

shit i cannot find the picture i took of my order

[ebon condor]

i struggle on green because i dont play it often

[viral raft]

🥀

[ebon condor]

but its not horrible

[viral raft]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

the main things you want to avoid with GSG, past the first few

[viral raft]

imo is bad but i need to play it more

is simply personal opinion

[cloud sinew]

is putting VERY different decks next to each other

[viral raft]

damn, i used to think Zodiac was bad

and my last c++ was with it

[brittle ocean]

I still think it’s bad

[cloud sinew]

you will get tripped up by the very quick change in gameplay style

[cloud sinew]

it's net positive for everything

more jokers, more tarots, more planets

[viral raft]

neat

[viral raft]

Zodiac?

[brittle ocean]

Mostly a joke but I just hate a certain voucher it contains

[red briar]

This is utterly miserable

[viral raft]

planet?

[cloud sinew]

take supernova

[ebon condor]

overstock, yeah i get it

[brittle ocean]

Ofc

[viral raft]

gem alert

[cloud sinew]

youre on blue deck

PLEASE take supernova

[red briar]

i know i knoww

[brittle ocean]

Supernova all the way

[viral raft]

is not bad, just block planets

[red briar]

it's a shame i had to take jolly joker to actually not die

[viral raft]

Zodiac is great, it's basically a "better shops" deck

[red briar]

run is still salvageable

[cloud sinew]

it's still a servicable joker

[shell dagger]

1 eternal wont hurt

[ebon condor]

usually

[brittle ocean]

Yeah

[cloud sinew]

you have good econ, good scoring, scaling is getting set up

youre fiiiiiine

[brittle ocean]

You get to sticker the jolly joker too

[red briar]

do i have enough room to look in the arcana pack or do i save an extra dollar

[shell dagger]

I’d look

[viral raft]

sad, but focus on the present, you may hold a bad eternal joker but 1 less joker slot doesn't define your entire run

[cloud sinew]

i would take supernova and sell The Sun so you can take sly without hurting interest

[brittle ocean]

About 1/4 chance of a hermit

[red briar]

sly would be a debuff no?

[ebon condor]

highkey once summer break starts ill lock in on gsg i need to at least beat my best

[red briar]

if i wanted to level up supernova and ultilise all my hands right now i wouldn't take sly

[brittle ocean]

Don’t you wanna not have sly so you can scale the supernova

Sly would win too fast

[shell dagger]

My last ever summer break started a week ago

[tawny sluice]

What hand you scaling for nova?

[red briar]

probably pairs

[brittle ocean]

🍐

[viral raft]

imo ignore sly so their can focus on minmaxing supernova instead of 2 shoting the blinds

[red briar]

that's what i was thinking

time to go next 🔥

[tawny sluice]

Yeah I'm morally against pairslop but also morally flaxible, probably the best one

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[brittle ocean]

Same

Getting gsg once would be neat

[brittle ocean]

I hate planet merchant

[red briar]

juggler might be something to sticker too but with the lack of joker slots i have no clue if it would be viable

[pale wolf]

ok i wanna make a vegan joker

[brittle ocean]

I think you sent the wrong screenshot

[red briar]

oh yeah

windows is very weird about sending fullscreen balatro screenshots

golden joker is probably a take because it's positive

[brittle ocean]

Probably golden + tarot pack

[red briar]

yea i was thinking that

[brittle ocean]

And if you get temperance or hermit, buffoon

[tawny sluice]

Yeah

[versed sable]

i'm stupid but I'd do buffoon before anything else

[brittle ocean]

Oh wait this is round 5

[red briar]

got the hermit

time to buffoon

[brittle ocean]

Nice

And reroll voucher

[red briar]

eternal hiker...

gghhffhf

[cloud sinew]

golden and then buffoon imo

[red briar]

these are some decent picks

[cloud sinew]

burger

[red briar]

i dont think i like them as eternals howeve

[brittle ocean]

Burger

[cloud sinew]

idc, burger

[red briar]

burger!!!!!!!!

[cloud sinew]

it saves you against needle

and it is econ with matador

[red briar]

i didnt even clock burger being an option

[brittle ocean]

Congrats on your free win

[cloud sinew]

and it's scaling with supernova

and it's scoring by giving you mroe hands to score with

[brittle ocean]

Supernova + burger

[red briar]

time to go next...

[cloud sinew]

you just need Eye defense and youre golden

[brittle ocean]

Just gotta find a square joker now

[brittle ocean]

Real

[tawny sluice]

I don't like square joker

Bad experience

[pale wolf]

Vegan
This Joker gains X0.5 if played hand triggers the Boss Blind ability (Currently X1)

[cloud sinew]

also taking burger as eternal isnt really a problem as you still have 2 econ jokers you can easily swap out

[brittle ocean]

Square joker is op esp with burger

[red briar]

boss was the house

so no matador value this time around

[cloud sinew]

Matador but bad

[pale wolf]

or really really good

[brittle ocean]

Wdym bad

[red briar]

rebate you beautiful soul

[pale wolf]

but probably bad

[brittle ocean]

A single debuff boss blind and you can get to like x3 mult

[cloud sinew]

matador doesnt need to be consistent to be good because it's econ

[red briar]

i think i swap out golden joker for the rebate

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 4

[red briar]

boss is a debuff so i can make a shit ton of money with matador if i keep it around

[cloud sinew]

you have burglar

[versed sable]

matador but scoring and really strong sometimes

[red briar]

FUCK

[cloud sinew]

THINK, MARK. THINK

[red briar]

🙏

[brittle ocean]

Lol

[red briar]

i can't think

[cloud sinew]

TWIN

[pale wolf]

i kinda like it

[red briar]

gold stake is too much pressure

[cloud sinew]

SPOILERS

[tawny sluice]

This doesn't either because it's scaling not only that hand

[red briar]

time to look in all the arcana packs and get nothing decent

[versed sable]

they did

[hybrid tendon]

it'S in spoilers

twin

[cloud sinew]

oh do i have autoreveal on

[versed sable]

apparently!

[brittle ocean]

I’ve made this mistake before too and i hate it every time

[pale wolf]

I kind of like the idea of a Matador type Joker that incentivizes you to keep it even when the next boss blind doesnt help

[versed sable]

it's spoilered for me

[cloud sinew]

oh my god it is

i hate discord so much

every single time i update my discord it turns autoreveal back on

[compact gazelle]

it’s spoilered all right

[red briar]

hmm

[versed sable]

i really wish you could set it per-server

[hybrid tendon]

twin 😭

[red briar]

i want to make a gold king

[serene forge]

superbalalunder

[hybrid tendon]

you made me panic for a sec

[serene forge]

silly lilo

[brittle ocean]

I think the ten might be slightly better cause plant resistant?

[cloud sinew]

its not my fault if discord fucks me over every time it updates

[tawny sluice]

All those tarots seem good to mr

[brittle ocean]

Or whatever suit was already debuffed

[tawny sluice]

me

[red briar]

indeeeed

let's make a gold 10

[cloud sinew]

i would go bonus personally

[serene forge]

you're not wrong

[cloud sinew]

youre not struggling for econ and you have no chips source

[red briar]

i could also bonus the threes

[versed sable]

^

[shell dagger]

Blackboard is a bigger consideration for me than debuffed suit

[red briar]

or just any cards really

[brittle ocean]

I’d bonus a more middling rank to be able to hang the threes

[brittle ocean]

Right

[red briar]

i can bonus the 10 and the 5

how bout dat

[brittle ocean]

I think that’s a plan

[red briar]

could work

[brittle ocean]

They’re both black suits too

[pale wolf]

yea losing $3 for one round is fine

[red briar]

time to go next because rerolling is for little smelly babies

[cloud sinew]

why do you want to hang the 3s at this point

[pale wolf]

its scoring you put on previously debuffed suits

[cloud sinew]

youre not going for straights with supernova burglar blue deck

[brittle ocean]

Idk I just like hanging low cards

[red briar]

actually, is re-rolling a good idea with 71$?

[tawny sluice]

I do too

[red briar]

how much should i be rerolling with this kind of money

[brittle ocean]

I’d reroll $5

[tawny sluice]

Probably just enough that you aren't increasing

[red briar]

perishable zany joker and a uranus

[brittle ocean]

Maybe you find a surprise blackboard

[red briar]

i think i should take reroll surplus at some point

[shell dagger]

Now

[brittle ocean]

Did you not take it ante 2

[red briar]

no?

but it's back

i'll take it and go next

[brittle ocean]

Take it

[tawny sluice]

If you find it yes

[brittle ocean]

You’re def gonna reroll >5 times

[tawny sluice]

One of the better vouchers imo

[red briar]

supernova is +17

a sensible person would look inside the celestial packs then reroll twice id suppose

[versed sable]

find flash card 🔥

[cloud sinew]

knowing why you should do something will help inform other decisions, it's useful to break down stuff like that

[versed sable]

roll first for planets to block with :3

or hallucination perhaps

[brittle ocean]

Deck thinning to get to blue seals faster

[red briar]

i GUEEEESSSS

[shell dagger]

Roll first

[brittle ocean]

And I just prefer to thin the low cards

[red briar]

michelle...

[brittle ocean]

Reroll first

Planet blocking

[cloud sinew]

im not arguing against the deckthinning, i'm arguing against preferring cutting low ranks when you have no need to be doing so

[brave goblet]

Went through all this only to realize I was on orange

[brittle ocean]

Oh hmm

Would face cards be better

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 2

[tawny sluice]

Low ranks are low chips

[pale wolf]

sus

[red briar]

should i sell golden and take banana

[cloud sinew]

face cards are generally more boss vulnerable

[pale wolf]

i got spoiled by an IDIOT earlier so i didnt get to play

[serene forge]

you can look at my guess history

[red briar]

or would it be bad because i dont get to scale as much

[brittle ocean]

Good point, probably better to thin face cards

[serene forge]

when my first guess looks like that my second guess is always that

[pale wolf]

lol

[shell dagger]

Faces are good with matador

[red briar]

is banana the take here or do i just check packs and go next

[pale wolf]

the algorithm wins

[cloud sinew]

do you have seed money?

[red briar]

nnnope

[tawny sluice]

I like banana so I can get cavendisj but that's more of a gambling mentality than strategy

[red briar]

i only have reroll surplus as my vouchers

[brittle ocean]

I don’t get cavendish all that often after Michel breaks

Maybe that’s an Econ issue

[cloud sinew]

then stopping at $60 doesnt really make much sense. it's only $5 a roll still and you have $60

[pale wolf]

banana is so enticing

[red briar]

when should i roll until,,,

[cloud sinew]

probably another 2 rerolls

going down to $49 gives you plenty of room to split your rerolls across the ante

[red briar]

seance and perishable rental parking

god i love balatro rng

[tawny sluice]

Id say look at your money between rounds and generally try to change your rolls so it stays the same

[brittle ocean]

The moment you see a planet, open the celestial packs

[cloud sinew]

perishable rental parking honestly isnt even a bad pick tbh

you have burglar

and youre going for pairs

[red briar]

well i suppose

[cloud sinew]

it's definitely more econ than golden

[median grove]

what do i give up here for mime?

dna?

[red briar]

would reserved parking go more positive than golden joker

[cloud sinew]

very likely

[red briar]

i'll take it, reroll one more time then look in those packs

[rigid island]

HELPP

[red briar]

gluttonous and bonkler

[rigid island]

mb caps

[brittle ocean]

How’s your deck looking

[red briar]

guess we're looking in those packs

[cloud sinew]

also rental parking takes 2 rounds before it's the same or more than a normal parking would cost you

[pale wolf]

and what

[hybrid tendon]

yeh

[cloud sinew]

mr bones

[brittle ocean]

Probably dna

[red briar]

swashbonkler

[tawny sluice]

What?

[cloud sinew]

oh