🕹・game-discussion

[frank grove]

thats not true at all

[azure copper]

thats why

[elfin scaffold]

I play flush 5 decks

Of whatever face card I fell like

[cloud sinew]

im not talking about endless

[azure copper]

ah yea

[elfin scaffold]

Since when was flush five endless exclusive

[azure copper]

you are the anti endless

[frank grove]

and with endless included flushes or straights arent even in the question

its f5 or hc

and thats it

[cloud sinew]

its incredibly rare to run it outside of endless

[elfin scaffold]

Attainable on ante 1 btw

[frank grove]

yeah but you cant play that consistantly 😭

[cloud sinew]

on erratic deck on specific seeds, sure

[frank grove]

and with high roll vagabond i guess

[elfin scaffold]

Magic deck

[frank grove]

again you can play that flush 5 once or twice in ante 1-3 maybe

[shell dagger]

Just because you can immediately make one doesn’t mean you’ll draw it later consistently enough to win

[frank grove]

doesnt mean you play it every round where you can with straights/flushes

[cloud sinew]

also "attainable" is not the same as being reliable

strushes are attainable

doesnt make them good to build around off the bat

[frank grove]

yeah

[elfin scaffold]

They're relieble if you build them right

[frank grove]

on magic im not using fools for suit changers and strengths

[cloud sinew]

at gold stake?

[elfin scaffold]

Like using death a whole bunch

[shell dagger]

so they aren’t reliable

gotcha

[elfin scaffold]

Depends on the deck

[neat ore]

I died with two hit the roads, yorick, rebate and one other joker

Ugh

[elfin scaffold]

Nothing is relieble if you just do wtvr

[cloud sinew]

Ive had one flush five run at gs in the past ~120 runs

[shell dagger]

there’s little benefit to f5 over 4oak in an ante 8 run

[tall sapphire]

Its way too late but what the heck

[elfin scaffold]

Where you trying to do a flush five run?

[shell dagger]

flush 5 benefits are stuff like idol

[humble gulch]

His ragebait is more than 8,000!

[cloud sinew]

i started with 11 8s with most of them being spades. it was the natural direction of the run, i didnt force it.

[elfin scaffold]

Well there's your problem

[cloud sinew]

???

[elfin scaffold]

Relying on erratic deck rng

[cloud sinew]

I wasnt relying on it

[frank grove]

yeah ive had quite a few runs where f5 is my final hand but not a lot where its the focus

[cloud sinew]

I just happened to get it and so I went with it

[elfin scaffold]

Zodiac and magic deck are best for f5 runs

[shell dagger]

but flush 5 runs aren’t the best for either of those

[cloud sinew]

and youll lose over 90% of them if you force flush 5

[shell dagger]

or any deck

[humble gulch]

Flush five isn't even good btw

[frank grove]

abandoned is better cause of draw reliability over wasting the fools on magic for deathing nothing in ante 1

[delicate tide]

well i guess but like you usually dont wanna go for f5 on those decks anyway

[elfin scaffold]

Best out of the special planets btw

[cloud sinew]

flush house

+4 +40

[shell dagger]

not even true and they’re all pretty bad

[delicate tide]

me when im wrong

[frank grove]

strush and flush house are both better what

[humble gulch]

Doesn't make it better, 4oak is a lot better for far less resources

[humble gulch]

REAL

[shell dagger]

it’s a battle between f5 and flouse because 5oak is actual ass

[humble gulch]

Flush house is easier than flush five and it has the best scaling of the game

[shell dagger]

so being the best out of 2 isn’t really a flex

[frank grove]

5oak is wees hand and thats basically it

[frank grove]

well its on par with strush but yeah

[cloud sinew]

tied first is still first

[humble gulch]

4 mult and 40 chips are far better than 3 mult and 50 chips

[elfin scaffold]

Saying this like any of the normal planets give better buffs 😭

[misty mango]

usually I’m playing around a scaled 4oak into a scalable 5oak. By that point a flush house feels harder to make than a flush 5

[elfin scaffold]

Compared to the special

[shell dagger]

did I say they do

[cloud sinew]

they just do though

[shell dagger]

also having the biggest number isn’t what causes you to win reliably

[elfin scaffold]

Ok

[cloud sinew]

highest scaling is tied between straight flush and flush house

[frank grove]

i mean neptune is better than two of the special planets but yeah sure

[misty mango]

But making flush houses early feels much better than making flush fives or even 5oaks early.
Like if I get pants I’m most probably casually scaling both house hands

[humble gulch]

Me when I run out of things to say ❤️‍🩹

[tranquil steppe]

Is someone being bullied again?

Who are we piling on this time?

[fair flower]

Guess the 3 jokers I won with c:

[misty mango]

Suit change cards make this pretty easy. You can unlock flush house early as well as usually pick your non debuffed suit

[cloud sinew]

"dogpiling is when 2 or more people disagree with me" /s

[humble gulch]

Madness, the other two don't matter

[fair flower]

Nope

[frank grove]

green stake

[tranquil steppe]

There’s a way to disagree without being an arse

[elfin scaffold]

My love for eris is a personal preference

[humble gulch]

That's why they don't matter (I didn't realize)

[tranquil steppe]

Eris is fun

[humble gulch]

Should've said that from the start

[fair flower]

There's 2 scaling jokers that's my hint

[tranquil steppe]

@elfin scaffold how dare you have your own fun play style

[cloud sinew]

youre such a pickme

[elfin scaffold]

Throwback, canio, and spare toeusers

[cosmic sun]

Bruh stop punching clouds for 5 seconds

[shell dagger]

if you actually read the conversation people were talking about reliability, not fun

[cosmic sun]

You thought there was an evil cabal of Balatro players

[shell dagger]

actual contrarian

[humble gulch]

Discussing why something could be better is so far away from liking something personally

[cosmic sun]

Joseph Joestar: "Now you will say: "I'm the victim""

[tranquil steppe]

Clouds are the worst

[vast trellis]

Anybody have any good mod recomendations?

[fair flower]

Close but that's 3 scaling jokers,
And I only have 1 xmult joker

And ig the xmult is also a scaling joker by technicality

[frank grove]

hmm

[elfin scaffold]

Ik wich that is

[fair flower]

Ye?

[tranquil steppe]

Yorick?

[fair flower]

Nah not really but good guess

[elfin scaffold]

So 3 scaling or 2M

[tall sapphire]

i got a new best hand with shoot the moon

[elfin scaffold]

?

[fair flower]

1 chip 1 mult 1 xmult

[dawn summit]

pro

[elfin scaffold]

Can I get a hand type pls

[cosmic sun]

Erm why are you bullying clouds they were just having fun

[frank grove]

they had 20 straights played

[fair flower]

Straights

[tranquil steppe]

They kill people

[cosmic sun]

Lightning bolt

[tranquil steppe]

And floods. Clouds are jerks

[elfin scaffold]

Idk man

[elfin scaffold]

Does he know

[cosmic sun]

Noah

[fair flower]

Should I say the build then?

[elfin scaffold]

I would suppose

[fair flower]

Alr

1. Runner
2. Red Card
3. Stencil

[elfin scaffold]

🫩

[frank grove]

what were your straight levels at

[elfin scaffold]

I had 2/3

[fair flower]

That was pretty damn close gj

[tranquil steppe]

Probably not. But I know you’re a cool guy who is cool

[fair flower]

Uhh lemme check

Lvl 12

255 runner
52 red card

[frank grove]

nice

[fair flower]

It could've been 55 if I didn't accidentally use a tarot

[elfin scaffold]

Fool could be top 1 consumables if it could copy spectrals

[fair flower]

That would be a bit op

[cosmic sun]

Discord ui is so dumb wdym it scrolls all the way down instead of jumping to the latest message

💀

[elfin scaffold]

Rifraff is lwk a early game eco joker

[elfin scaffold]

Isnt that the same thing...

[tranquil steppe]

Yes. A good one too

Perkeo is also a solid econ joker

[azure copper]

yay

[tranquil steppe]

Congrats on the free dub

[azure copper]

hehe

[nova mantle]

Seems a violet vessel can't handle a x9 campfire

[humble gulch]

Dying ant vs supernova

[azure copper]

welp

there was a luchador but i didnt notice blind boss :D

[ionic jungle]

peak yo

[ionic jungle]

wee is at 700

[nova mantle]

Pennalizzate instead of debuffed sounds very fancy

[azure copper]

xD

[nova mantle]

Id wish I knew italian

[azure copper]

penalized

[elfin scaffold]

Heart enjoyers wet dream

[humble gulch]

Hehe

[azure copper]

nvm dosesnt exist

[tranquil steppe]

VV is a noob

[humble gulch]

Those exist?

[minor portal]

violet vessel only becomes a boss on gold stake plasma

[tranquil steppe]

@marble gorge @serene forge

[elfin scaffold]

But if you playing plasma deck you already have 200000000 chips

W usernames 😭😭

[azure copper]

i cant even beat blue steak plasma

STAKE

not steak

[humble gulch]

Trying to win gold stake plasma with only chips is a bad idea, specially against violet vessel

[nova mantle]

You're missing a dice and a feline there

[elfin scaffold]

What's feline

[humble gulch]

Cat

[tranquil steppe]

Lucky meow meow

[elfin scaffold]

Oh I almost never use

Also I have no lucky cards 😭

[neon canopy]

accidentally got a blank

[elfin scaffold]

This voucher should only be purchased 10 times per save fike

[tranquil steppe]

Blank is good though later?

[nova mantle]

Kitty

[humble gulch]

Speculative antimatter

[azure copper]

i thought it was a painted hand

[elfin scaffold]

UNLESS your getting the 10 vouchers in 1 run thing

[tranquil steppe]

Yes

[azure copper]

you got a negative hand thats crazy

[neon canopy]

why tho

[elfin scaffold]

10 times unlocks something

[unreal topaz]

...which makes future blanks useful

[azure copper]

do i

[elfin scaffold]

I forget wgat

[nova mantle]

I wanna get all the achievements but ion wanna do all the challenge decks fuckkkk

[unreal topaz]

tier 2 blank is an extra joker slot

[humble gulch]

When you buy blank 10 times it unlocks its tier II which is +1 joker slot

[elfin scaffold]

It does 👀

[tranquil steppe]

Gary wants to be on your team

[elfin scaffold]

I had no idea seriously

[azure copper]

fuck it we ball

[neon canopy]

ohh i see

[elfin scaffold]

I should lek look out for that

[ionic jungle]

is this the best shop?

[tranquil steppe]

GOAT shop

Double Garys

[humble gulch]

It's not really that useful since you only need 3 scoring jokers to win anyways

[nova mantle]

Jimbros

[ionic jungle]

lmao

[elfin scaffold]

On what stake 😭

[tranquil steppe]

Garbears

[humble gulch]

Gold stake, usually it's 2 value generators to boost your scoring jokers

Or economy

Or deck fixing

[azure copper]

i lost

[serene forge]

awaaaaaaaaa

[humble gulch]

Hi there

Lol

[serene forge]

here win

[nova mantle]

The 3 scoring are usually chips, mult and x mult, or mult and 2 x mults

[humble gulch]

Yes

That's a lot of value

[nova mantle]

One econ, and a miscellaneous one (burnt, trading card, cartomancer...)

[humble gulch]

Or two econ

Or a floating retrigger

[elfin scaffold]

Guys I've suffered Devine punishment for arguing about f5

[viral raft]

What the hell is F5?

[elfin scaffold]

Flush 5

[viral raft]

What did you said?

[versed sable]

floor five

[elfin scaffold]

Flush 5 of a kind

[azure copper]

never have i seen 4 eternal in one pack

[elfin scaffold]

I was saying it's better than flush house

[viral raft]

Uhhh yeah? Is more consistent to play and more sinergies

Flush House have better scaling but is overall hard to draw

[elfin scaffold]

It was more than that

[humble gulch]

Gg (I got mauled by lions in plasma deck)

[azure grail]

bruh

[cosmic sun]

mmm

[azure copper]

lmaooo

[elfin scaffold]

Skill issue

[viral raft]

The only thing Flush House is better is scaling planet, the rest is better to go F5

[elfin scaffold]

How are you losing round 2 when you have a joker

[viral raft]

Maybe a econ/passive one?

[azure grail]

I though it was enough

[humble gulch]

You win, Argil...

[viral raft]

Mediun 100%

[neon canopy]

ain no way bruh 😭

[elfin scaffold]

Ankh clouded 9

[viral raft]

Not mult value for next rounds

Not worth at all

Is better medium because Oat can deckfix with Purple seal

[humble gulch]

I did it because there was mult in the shop

[viral raft]

And get even more 9s with enhancements

[humble gulch]

🐑

[viral raft]

Neat

[humble gulch]

I guess I could carry a rental

[viral raft]

Mnn... i don't like the idea but go ahead if you want

I'm not a big fan of Stuntman for some reason

[humble gulch]

Stuntman is a free win

[weary whale]

Doing a high card build on painted deck

Should I risk a stuntman for a chance at another half joker or leave it as is?

[pale wolf]

with two c9s its probably fine

[azure copper]

what is going on

[elfin scaffold]

Why doest balala have steam friendly modding

[pale wolf]

i dont think so

[tranquil steppe]

Lord Canio will absolve your sins

[pine robin]

fella WHAT are you playing

[azure copper]

how does it work 4 stuntman

0 cards in deck

new run synergy

[pale wolf]

actually, it's probably fine

[weary whale]

IDK WHAT IS GOING ON

I got invisible joker twice and both times it landed on stuntman

Honestly idc how this run goes it’s way too funny

[pine robin]

the rare 4 stuntman

[elfin scaffold]

Eternal torn joker

[pine robin]

how good would 5 copies of stuntman be 🤔

[humble gulch]

Not much

[serene forge]

k

[elfin scaffold]

No multi = l

[azure copper]

would be peak on plasma tho

[pine robin]

idk man

[azure copper]

well

[pine robin]

could be tuff

[humble gulch]

1/15 decks

[serene forge]

awful

[pine robin]

great btw

[tranquil steppe]

Here win

[pine robin]

-6 hand size

[serene forge]

you mean -10

aka you lose

[pine robin]

painted

vouch

👅

[serene forge]

you have four slots on painted

[tranquil steppe]

What about burglar, BP, and nachos?

[pine robin]

antimatter

👅

[elfin scaffold]

Fact: erratic and plasma are the only decks where it's possible to win ante 1 small blind in a single hand

[tranquil steppe]

Wut

[weary whale]

I got rid of one of them for misprint

Died ante 6 boss but I don’t care

This run was too funny

[pale wolf]

cheating

[humble gulch]

What????

[pale wolf]

???

[glass creek]

Extremely loud and aggressive incorrect buzzer

[pine robin]

🧠

[pale wolf]

never heard of a q high straight

[elfin scaffold]

What's that

[pine robin]

a brain

[elfin scaffold]

Never heard of it

[serene forge]

damn i saw someone named very gay lesbian and i thought it was my gf :(

[tranquil steppe]

Scarecrow never had a brain

[serene forge]

imagine

[pale wolf]

one more round

[elfin scaffold]

Showman is never getting picked up by me unless it's negative tbh

[pine robin]

cartomancer 🤤

[humble gulch]

Uhm

[elfin scaffold]

Last time I grabbed it I just found another showman

[tranquil steppe]

He’s not even a real magician smdh

[pale wolf]

terrible choice

[pine robin]

allat for an extra $7

[pale wolf]

🦓

[humble gulch]

I know

[humble gulch]

14 dollars

[pale wolf]

It's probably still worth though

[pine robin]

i cant see

u have 2

[serene forge]

why

[elfin scaffold]

Bro how the hell are you supposed to cryptid dupe without spectral deck

[pine robin]

6 hand size is genius tho

[humble gulch]

Yes

[pine robin]

sixth sense/seance

🥟

[humble gulch]

I have a investment tag every round :3

[pine robin]

if u skip for investment tags u are lame unless its gold stake

fr

[elfin scaffold]

What do you mean

[humble gulch]

Only in ante 1 or 2

[tranquil steppe]

Ong straight cap no bussin

[serene forge]

k

[pine robin]

BLOODSTONE

🤤

[tranquil steppe]

Here win, again

[elfin scaffold]

🥹

[tranquil steppe]

The GOAT

[elfin scaffold]

He alr grabbed the spade tho

Briansrome it its

[tranquil steppe]

True

[pine robin]

that was a critical blundeer but wild cards

[tranquil steppe]

Only noobs go for arrowhead

[humble gulch]

FUCK THE EYE

[tranquil steppe]

It is known

[pine robin]

the eye is the GOAT

[elfin scaffold]

Invest orange stake with arrowhead bra

I beat*

[humble gulch]

Their ragebait is more than 8,000!

[tranquil steppe]

lol I’m just being silly. I love arrowhead

[tranquil steppe]

Yes

Thought the “it is known” would’ve given away the sarcasm

[elfin scaffold]

Is it legal to refresh for arcane stickers to try to find the souls

[pine robin]

arrowhead my least favorite out of the four

[humble gulch]

Arrowhead is a pairs joker

[tranquil steppe]

No. Straight to jail. Do not pass go

[elfin scaffold]

All of the stones are flush coded

[humble gulch]

Only bloodstone

[pine robin]

rough gem the best stone

[tranquil steppe]

It hurts

[pine robin]

a diamond in the rough if you will

[pine robin]

the truth hurts

[tranquil steppe]

Okay Aladdin

[tranquil steppe]

Damn now we’re getting deep

[pine robin]

i mean $5 a hand no retrigs is basically a rebate

[humble gulch]

Except I prefer to have rebate and not play flushes

Guh

[pine robin]

but diamonds best suit

[elfin scaffold]

Should I try to use plasma to hit ante 12

[humble gulch]

No because blackboard and arrowhead exists

[pine robin]

ante 12 😳

[humble gulch]

In white stake

Yeah

[elfin scaffold]

Alright

[humble gulch]

Just try to go for xmult and not chips

[pine robin]

doing allat for bloodstone to have more aura

[elfin scaffold]

But useic chip scaling jokers is so fast

[humble gulch]

LOL

[elfin scaffold]

El sould 🤤

[pine robin]

ill bless u with trib 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂

[azure copper]

didnt know you could find it in spectrals

[elfin scaffold]

Your gonna get chicot

[humble gulch]

Good

[pine robin]

chicot the best for gold stake btw

aint no one playing yormid

[humble gulch]

It's Yorick, but Chicot is also really good

[pine robin]

yormid*

[elfin scaffold]

Fair but i had to sell mine for hanging chad

[humble gulch]

Ante 12 is 600,000,000 in plasma

[pine robin]

photochad

🪴

[elfin scaffold]

Sexiest joker lineup???

[humble gulch]

Gg

[pine robin]

🌱 <---

[minor portal]

photochud

[elfin scaffold]

This is why directors cut is mandatory

Or a negative wrestler

[pine robin]

and then we all go back to playing baron mime 😂😂😂😂😂

[pallid galleon]

a few glass cards in reserve would prob get u out

[humble gulch]

That's why photochad is a pairs combo

[elfin scaffold]

You don't understand I had a glass flush build

[clear river]

I’m finally free

[humble gulch]

You usually go for pairs with photochad

[elfin scaffold]

Time to 100% isaac

[azure copper]

still missing naneinf

GO GET THAT SCORE

[tawny python]

How do I get more negatives all the negatives I've kinda gotten are temp jockers like bottle and popcorn

[clear river]

I have naneinf it’s not on my save file for some reason

[elfin scaffold]

Is that a achievement or just a community accomplishment

[humble gulch]

Negatives are mid

[azure copper]

2

[pine robin]

if your highest money isnt 20k+ u lowkey not the goat

[tawny python]

O want more jokers

[serene forge]

debug mode

[elfin scaffold]

What type of BS do you have to do

[humble gulch]

Negatives are not mandatory and unreliable

[tawny python]

No

[pine robin]

my highest is 104k aand its just reserved parking or luckies

[elfin scaffold]

Negative passive are mvp

[tawny python]

I can beat base run I wanna go endless

[modest mist]

Okay, why is Black Deck genuinely giving me trouble 😭🙏

[clear river]

I did it on PC

[tawny python]

It sucks

[serene forge]

negative rental eternal credit card is so useful

[azure copper]

nice!

[humble gulch]

You don't need nat negatives for endless, ecto is enough

[azure copper]

wish i could

[tawny python]

Multiple questions but how TF did you do this

[tawny python]

TF is ecto

[serene forge]

ectoplasm

spectral card

[clear river]

baron mime burglar blueprint brainstorm serpent run

[tawny python]

What cancel or the skull

[elfin scaffold]

How do people get 40 copies of the same negative joker

[tawny python]

Burgal

[serene forge]

probably ankh ectoplasm bullshit with perkeo

[humble gulch]

-1 hand size, turns negative a random joker

[tawny python]

Oh cool that sucks

[serene forge]

it does suck in most cases but for endless runs it's absolutely necessary

[humble gulch]

It's better than spam new run button praying for a nat negative

[tawny python]

:(

[stark charm]

Because it is black deck?

[modest mist]

But it's on WHITE Stake.

I shouldn't have any issues 😭

[tawny python]

I just pray for soda and pray negative tag

[modest mist]

Its only gimmick is its one less hand.

[humble gulch]

That's also a bad option

[serene forge]

-1 hand is still rough

[stark charm]

So -1 dollars every round

[serene forge]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[humble gulch]

Lol

Fuck

[serene forge]

I want hrt

[tawny python]

I was looking through and madness is the worst

[viral raft]

Hit road the

[glass creek]

Maybe try looking again

[tawny python]

Thank you for that info very gay lesbian hornet

[tawny python]

Bro madness destroys card

[elfin scaffold]

Every time I get bp or bs early u lose

I

Yeah I'm not winning this

[humble gulch]

I forgot I had Chicot :3

[stark charm]

Bad Econ

[serene forge]

looks like a
skill issue
to me

[humble gulch]

White stake syndrome

[stark charm]

Rare chicot L

[stark charm]

Yeah?

Just have eternal

[humble gulch]

You only need madness to win anyways

Pairslop it is

[tawny python]

Q I'm just trying to search for cards right now cuz I want more Jokers that I'm able to access

[pine robin]

did u lose with chigoat?

😭

[stark charm]

I really don’t like castle

[humble gulch]

The serpent actually helps you 💔

[stark charm]

I hate using my brain

[pine robin]

not always mijo

[stark charm]

Who play 5 card hand this day and age

And even with 5 card hand discard help you build your hand…

[humble gulch]

Lol

[neon canopy]

won my first game of balatro!!

awesome sauce

[azure copper]

what did u play

[stark charm]

Congrats not very gay lesbian hornet

[azure copper]

good job tho!

[neon canopy]

yes im very lost not very gay lesbian hornet

[neon canopy]

i played with the yellow deck

[tawny python]

THIS RUN SUCKS

[humble gulch]

Castle is so fucking good

[stark charm]

How do you have 0$

[humble gulch]

Bro

[azure copper]

if there only was a...

you know...

[tawny python]

THE anti money blind

[stark charm]

W

[neon canopy]

chat chat

with what deck should i play

[tawny python]

ive been broke becuase of him

[neon canopy]

i have all the coloured and ghost deck

[stark charm]

Black deck goldstake

[neon canopy]

kk

im going to blackdeck!!

[azure copper]

if you are new go for blue deck

[azure copper]

thats hard!

[tawdry epoch]

Always bet on Wee Joker

[neon canopy]

pretty pretty

i mean plus one jocker slot tho..

[stark charm]

It look good initially

[neon canopy]

oh and also my first winning run was made without a flush

i was so bamboozled when i got to know

[humble gulch]

1 hand is worth more than a joker slot

[stark charm]

I think I will play one game of Balatro on analygraoh deck

[pallid galleon]

you should try bloodstone its pretty cool

[neon canopy]

i could get a juggler

[humble gulch]

Hand, not hand size

[neon canopy]

oh

[glad viper]

h

[neon canopy]

h

[glad viper]

rainworld

[stark charm]

ragebait

[glass creek]

True

[humble gulch]

Real

[tawdry epoch]

This is neat

[pine robin]

;-;

photoslop

[stark charm]

500 rental yay

[pine robin]

i hope u get a plant

[azure copper]

hater

[stark charm]

oh wait i got too greedy with scaling

[pine robin]

bwohahaha

play 2pair

🧠

[azure copper]

high card maybe wins

or double pair

with death

[stark charm]

any other easy to play hand would win yes

they sure know how to ragebait

[pale wolf]

balatrodle in 3

[tulip oak]

do i have to buy blank 10 times again after buying antimatter

[hearty tusk]

no

[tulip oak]

woo hoo

[hearty tusk]

you can buy blank once in a run
-# well, techincally not, but you dont have to worry about it

[tardy spade]

Are there any objectively bad or objectively good effects of cards?

A lot of spectrals have upsides and downsides but sometimes the roles reverse

[lost vault]

you have to buy it in the run in orfer for antimatter to show up though

[lost vault]

showman

:3

[lost vault]

same as any other tier 2 voucher

[tardy spade]

E.g. ouija has the upside of lots of cards of the same rank for the downside of -1 hand size.
But -1 hand size ca be beneficial when playing raised fist, and if Ouija makes a bunch of your high value cards low value then it's a downside

[tardy spade]

Showman can be bad in a lot of cases.
But can be good by getting duplicates of really good jokers

[lost vault]

showman is bad 99% of the time

[lilac drum]

is there any way to get my mobile progress onto pc- i really dont feel like doing allat again 😭 (95% of my progress was obtained this week when i didnt have access to my pc)

[lost vault]

like im sorry but getting two copies of blueprint is quite unlikely

[lost vault]

no

[lilac drum]

dang it

[calm furnace]

I LOVE HTR

[hearty tusk]

if the save file types are similar, maybe its possible?

[lost vault]

i dont know

[calm furnace]

HTR + merry andy ❤️

[lost vault]

theres no official way

you can use the unlock all button if you want

[tardy spade]

But not every time. Occasionally it can be incredibly helpful, meaning it's not objectively bad.

[calm furnace]

almost malded tho becaues i didnt draw all my jacks

[tardy spade]

Showman is a tool

[calm furnace]

despite bean

[lost vault]

objectively bad doesnt mean situationally bad

[calm furnace]

showman is useless outside of endless

[lilac drum]

i need my steam achievement 😔

[lost vault]

it means its not up to interpretation

[calm furnace]

endless is like 0.1% of the game

so showman is useless for 99.9% of runs

[lost vault]

showman objectively makes booster packs worse

and objectively is very unlikely to actually do anything

helpful

[calm furnace]

for showman to be useful you need a lot of econ and already strong jokers

two things that dont happen usually in the game

[viral raft]

the best stickerin in my life NGL

[hearty tusk]

yeah! like showman!

to get more showmen

[stark charm]

except 500 photochad

[calm furnace]

i love opening a joker pack and getting 2 popcorns

yum

[viral raft]

Idol SOMEHOW actually did something in my gs run

[calm furnace]

doulbe popcorn

[hearty tusk]

no, i want the showmen

[lost vault]

if the definition if objectively bad meant "literally always bad" then nothing in balatro would be objectively bad

[viral raft]

Showman sucks

why people play that shit

[hearty tusk]

there is one exception

[viral raft]

barely works on naneinf runs

[lost vault]

no there isnt

[hearty tusk]

hear me out

[lost vault]

every joker

every card

[stark charm]

Yes I am hearing you out

[lost vault]

everything in balatro has circumstances where uts good

or at least helpful

[hearty tusk]

just hear me out

[lost vault]

some, much les than others

like showman or idol

[calm furnace]

its the % of scnearios where the joker is useful what makes it good

[lost vault]

yes

[calm furnace]

showman is only good for one scneario

[lost vault]

and also how useful it is in said scenario

jimbo is useful always but just not very

[hearty tusk]

yeah i cant fuckin think of anythin

anywho

[calm furnace]

jimbo can save a run early on

[lost vault]

yup

[calm furnace]

what can showman do aside from chasing naneinf?

[hearty tusk]

gonna go BALL on abandoned deck

[lost vault]

i wasnt comparing jimbo to showman

[hearty tusk]

whats better than one moon?

[stark charm]

Glass joker on double or nothing?

Meh it could still work

[hearty tusk]

TWO MOONS INSTEAD OF A HERMIT

[placid vessel]

What deck do you have to win on to get ghost deck??

[lost vault]

double or nothung is lowkey free just play pairs

[viral raft]

Peak mentioned?

[viral raft]

Yellow

[lost vault]

matador is busted on double or nothing

[calm furnace]

i mean if showman copied scaled jokers it would be somewhat useful. but what good is finding a copy of unscalled hologram

[cosmic sun]

I'd rather say most of the lineup is useful than all

[placid vessel]

Alr thanks

[cosmic sun]

Cause that is a lot

a lot a lot

[lost vault]

showman doesnt copy jokers, it just changes a game mechanic

[viral raft]

showman only passive is to remove blocking

[lost vault]

card blocking

yea

[viral raft]

that's why things repeat

[hearty tusk]

what's a card or joker that could be close to being a "Generally Always Good to Take"?

[viral raft]

and that is pretty shitty because balatro is designed to make jokers work with other jokers, having copies of the exact same joker is greedy as hell

[lost vault]

yorick

or blueprint

[hearty tusk]

me favourito

[lost vault]

shoutout to hermit

[hearty tusk]

te amo, yorick

[tulip oak]

ohhh

[lost vault]

yea

like how u gave to buy grabber for nacho tong to show up

[viral raft]

the only copy jokers are Blueprint and Brainstorm which are op because they directly copy the other jokers which make builds basically get a X2 on almost everything

[tulip oak]

so like seed money for tree money?

[lost vault]

yes

[cosmic sun]

I remember learning spanish and telling a girl te amo when I meant to say "my name is ____"

[viral raft]

Showman sucks as a "copy" joker because you need moeny...like alot, alot of Money

[tulip oak]

does invisibe kinda count

[stark charm]

Showman would be kinda meh joker instead of actively ruining your run if it only work on joker

[hearty tusk]

Antimatter is an upgrade, so yes

[hearty tusk]

naaaaah

[tulip oak]

don quixote

[viral raft]

yeah, but that joker isn't that good because in gold stake may copy a passive and/or eternal joker

[lost vault]

it would go from detriment to nothing burger

[viral raft]

i think showman should just remove blocking cards on the basic shop (the ones with the slots)

because packs are directly worst with Showman

atleast in slots theres a chance of copy a joker...which is still bad because you don't always want a copy of a passive joker per example

Showman is really one of the jokers of all time

i hope they directly rework it

[stark charm]

Copy of showman

[viral raft]

yeah, like i said, copying jokers isn't always good because passive jokers doesn't stacks

[hearty tusk]

showman has showed more showmen than actually giving me a show of useful jokers, man

[viral raft]

i think showman is really a lost cause

kinda the same with matador or Satellite

they're OP as hell or really mediocre on they works

[hearty tusk]

Satellite is at best 12 dollars, and nobody is going to use every single fucking planet card consistently in one ante 8 run

[calm furnace]

yeah thats my point

on most runs you have scaling jokers

and you dont want more of them not scaled

[stark charm]

Except showman is op as hell outside 8 ante

[calm furnace]

game ends at ante 8

[hearty tusk]

wait, hold on, Satellite is actually dogshit

like

[stark charm]

Like it is okay if joker is situational if it fit within 8 ante

[viral raft]

is not only that, the fact that Satelittle only works when you have all planets, which basically is the mindset of "being even more poor to have money later" which is really stupid if you think about it

[calm furnace]

satellite works if you have 4 planets. its as good as cloud 9 and golden joker

[stark charm]

I sell all my unused planet card

[calm furnace]

not that satellite is great

but its not shit

[viral raft]

isn't like Rocket which is "more time = more money", satellite is literally a "waste mone while being poor = average money "

so yeah, the entire mindset is a bad design tbh

[calm furnace]

satellite is not waste money.

[calm furnace]

is red card bad design then?

satellite is red card for planet cards but instead of mult it gives econ

[stark charm]

It work differently

[viral raft]

when you're poor as hell in ante 1 you don't usually buy planets that you don't even play just for long term money

[calm furnace]

satellite makes whiffing on planet packs suck less

[stark charm]

Redcard scale fast but only after you get them

And satellite is really only useful if you already have some planet card

[hearty tusk]

its all about scalling

[calm furnace]

satellite scales without being in your hand

[stark charm]

It is also pretty fucking expensive

[calm furnace]

you can pick satellite and its already at +3 or +4

[viral raft]

satelittle could works as a mid-game but the fact that is 1$ each is very low compared to the average good econ jokers like Rocket, Rebate or even Ticket

[hearty tusk]

yeah, but would you really need sattelite at that point?

[calm furnace]

cant say no to money sometimes

[rugged onyx]

....i made the mistake of gambling with immolate, and lost my steel blue seal jack

[viral raft]

that's the point, why do i want a 4$ in mid game? theres way better option or you don't directly need money jokers at that moment

[hearty tusk]

bummer

+20 tho

[calm furnace]

because i cant always guarantee +4 dollars each round

its not like i can open amazon and order mail on rebate on demand

[turbid nova]

tbh I never take satellite even if I've leveled a lot of hands

[calm furnace]

it falls under win more a lot, and that what makes satellite sucka bit

[viral raft]

nope, because Red card is a "packs are better" because no matter what you can always skip for scaling mult, while satelite is a "buy useless things and maybe i can be a average money generator"

[calm furnace]

if you have money going and above interest you can afford picking up random planets and scaling satellite

if you have things like constellation

satellite is almost guaranteed 9 dollars

[viral raft]

at that point you already found a better econ joker or you don't directly need one because you have another resource of income

[calm furnace]

again, situational and its def not as strong as the other econ jokers

but its not shit

[viral raft]

obviusly not, but is easily the weakest one with Delayed

[calm furnace]

its way better than delayed especially on gold stake

[viral raft]

but the diff is that delayed is only bad by Blue stake

[calm furnace]

delayed is really bad because discarding and digging is essential

[stark charm]

Specifically speaking I feel like most of the time if you want to play satellite then you need to play for it before having it , it is better off selling excess planet card and having concentrated second hand for whiffing planet pack.

[viral raft]

mmmm not tbh, i'm pretty happy when i get a grat in a discarless run like grimbo

[calm furnace]

satellite doesnt stop you from generating gold seal and purple and blue seal values

[viral raft]

Delayed is kinda bad but atleast have used on Discardless runs

[cosmic sun]

Dgrat lowkey saved by the average early ante start

[stark charm]

Delayed is ass man

[calm furnace]

even with grimbo

i want to dig

[viral raft]

you dig with your hands

[calm furnace]

value of finding gold cards > -1 mult

and blue seals

and purple seals

[cosmic sun]

Dgrat has a sweet spot where you have a setup going and can squeeze a little juice out of it

And it feels like Satellite comes later

[nova mantle]

I destroyed a Michel and this riff raff genuinely popped a Cavendish next round

Truly the best common joker

[calm furnace]

Riff raff is too goated

[stark charm]

W

[cosmic sun]

Actually Satellite might be the true absent father joker

[viral raft]

yeah, is pretty bad, but atleast isn't his fault at all, is weak because is of Blue stake, unlike Satelitte which is very strong or really weak

[calm furnace]

Delayed is still kinda bad even with the added discard

gold card > discard

[cosmic sun]

No mercury in a planet pack -> I think of satellite -> it gone

[calm furnace]

using 3 discards to dig is worth more than getting paid by delayed

[last path]

the money = literal strength run.

[viral raft]

depends tbh

[calm furnace]

Jj ❤️

[ruby vessel]

Been sleeping on the challenges bc I thought they’d be hard

This is so gas

[viral raft]

also why 3 discards?

isn't 2?

[calm furnace]

with how broken blue seals are

digging is the meta

[cosmic sun]

For me Dgrat usually fits in early antes

[viral raft]

use your handsa

[cosmic sun]

Not exactly something I'm looking for if I'm loaded with value already

[light brook]

keep digging jimbo, our blue seals are probably underground

[calm furnace]

i rather use both

[last path]

fueled by the power of the 2 pair.

[calm furnace]

Dgrad has to pay more for it to be worth it

gold cards are nuts

[viral raft]

but use your hands first so then you see if discard is worth

[viral raft]

Blue stakes fault

[cosmic sun]

I think you both likely agree on digging just that Dgrat has a good early niche

[calm furnace]

meta fault

give me 5 discards and im still digging

because digging wins runs

[viral raft]

whatever you said

[cosmic sun]

Cause digging implies you actually have something that early

[calm furnace]

nerf blue seals and gold cards

maybe

[viral raft]

gold cards are ok

[cosmic sun]

Devils: "what you say fuck me for?"

[viral raft]

Gold cards are well balanced but is the metas fault

because of handsize

[calm furnace]

gold cards are one of the strongest mechanics in the game

gold cards let you carry rentals easily

and the payout before interest is massive

[viral raft]

kinda but like i said, they may be less "op" if the meta wasn't pair

[calm furnace]

anything that pays before the round ends

is high value

[cosmic sun]

lowkey just sounds like devils are catching strays

because of blue seal

[viral raft]

Blueseals is lost cause ngl

idk who they could manage to balance it

too strong

[calm furnace]

rentals would be 1000x more annoying if gold cards didnt exist

[cosmic sun]

I'm converted to purple gang

😛

[native void]

is it worth getting dusk in this situation

[calm furnace]

all the seals except red are hella strong

red is good if you have gold cards

[native void]

idk its worth getting rid of rid the bus

[viral raft]

red is lowkey better than gold seal

Steel, Gold, Glass, Lucky

[cosmic sun]

idk why you would get rid of your mult scaler

[viral raft]

how many Mult in your buss?

[calm furnace]

what red does, chad does better

gold seal is a gold card that you can play

and 9 dollars with chad

[cosmic sun]

tbf red is better for held in hand

[viral raft]

???
one is a joker and the other is a seal

[calm furnace]

chances of finding chad are higher than a red seal

red seal lmfao

good typo

oh wait

seel

nvm

[viral raft]

and? this is like saying Vagabond is bad because Purple seal exist

[cosmic sun]

now gold seal + chad

mwah

[native void]

46

[calm furnace]

cultured

[viral raft]

nah keep it

[calm furnace]

no thats like saying purple seal is bad because vaga exists

and vaga is rare

[cosmic sun]

lowkey biblical greed trying to sacrifice that for another retrigger

[calm furnace]

i have more chances finding purple than vaga

[last path]

imagine if red seal triggered on discard effects like rebate. a very niche use. but would be helpful

[calm furnace]

but i have more chances finding a retrigger joker than red

[calm furnace]

lmao 10$ from one card 😭

[cosmic sun]

red seal buff

[native void]

gambling

[elfin scaffold]

GRRR

[cosmic sun]

it balances out with the rebate nerf

[calm furnace]

red seal is just not consistenly good but it can be great sometimes

[haughty condor]

it'd be a tough contender against purple seals

[viral raft]

yeah? that's my point, why are you comparing a seal with a joker?? this is like comparing pairs (🍐 ) with apples

[cosmic sun]

do not

[calm furnace]

red seal + fist is all the mult you need

[calm furnace]

im comparing the value of seal vs the value i can get easier via a joker

[waxen quartz]

you could make $200 per discard instead of only $100

[elfin scaffold]

They weren't lying about the wee joker scaling

[calm furnace]

gold seal is always good, red seal is not good unless you have certain enhancment and other conditions to be met

[cosmic sun]

shit aint wee

thats a big lad

[calm furnace]

a red steel card will do nothing if you have no levels and depend on jokers for score

same with a red glass

[viral raft]

not so useful on end runs

[calm furnace]

the argument is that red is the weaker of the 4 seals

[native void]

i skipped it already its good

[viral raft]

red seals are better because in end runs you can literally end runs with just red seals

[light brook]

bro your wee is huge

[serene forge]

free win

[waxen quartz]

what do you mean? it's one of the tougher naninfs, but it's reasonable

[calm furnace]

game ends at ante 8

whatever happens after ante 8 has no value

[viral raft]

yes? that's what i said

[cosmic sun]

I look for steels a lot tbh

[viral raft]

Red seals are great to end runs

[calm furnace]

and red seal is ojvectively the weakest seal to help you win ante 8 gold

[calm furnace]

steel joker goated

[light brook]

ante8=fun value

[stark charm]

Jokerless easier than goldstake

[calm furnace]

when you have hologram and steel joker and open a pack with a steel card

🔥

[serene forge]

society if steels worked before flat mult jonklers

[light brook]

fun value is the most important value

[cosmic sun]

If you are swimming in money you can start generating glass and steel

In case their respective jokers show up

[viral raft]

no? things like Glass and steels are great to end runs

[stark charm]

It really is not fun… like I hate playing baron mime for 20 ante

[cosmic sun]

Which gives you more to look for in the shop

[ruby vessel]

Aren’t retriggers generally good for scoring? I feel like gold seals should be the weakest

[pine robin]

off

[calm furnace]

glass and steel is useless if your scoring is from joker

[cosmic sun]

And also just having those in your deck are already helping

[calm furnace]

oh wow my 15x2 is getting multiplied wow

[native void]

is it smarter to copy the hack or the walkie talkie is there a difference?

[calm furnace]

and?

[serene forge]

isn't that flawed logic considering that retriggers work extremely well with gold seals

[viral raft]

Red seals = solo win = Stickering

[rustic swallow]

hack

[viral raft]

you get free stickers with red seals

[calm furnace]

thats just a screenshot

[azure copper]

hack is gambling

[calm furnace]

i won with straight flush does this mean straight flush is strong?

[stark charm]

No i considered it worst seal for the following reason -> it is inconsistent scoring, most build don’t rely on card scoring because it is bossblind vulnerable.

[serene forge]

retriggers are like face cards, you can use them for scoring but you lose if anything sneezes on you, however they can be quite good for utility

[viral raft]

yeah but i usually use alot red seals for stickering free

that's how good can be red seals

[cosmic sun]

You could just incidentally be generating steels

From shops

[calm furnace]

the problem with red seal, is that you need to find the red seal and find a good enahcnement to apply on it

[stark charm]

Other seal get you long term effect

[cosmic sun]

Again more options

[calm furnace]

other seals have immediate effect

[viral raft]

Glass, Lucky and Steel cards, not so hard to decide

[calm furnace]

if cert generated blue purple or gold you have something to use

[cosmic sun]

Oh yeah luckies

[calm furnace]

these are useless

in a lot of builds

[cosmic sun]

Lucky cat route

[calm furnace]

whats good is a steel glass card when my base planet is at level 1?

[viral raft]

they're literally free Xmult what are you talking about???

[stark charm]

Tarot card,money,planet enhance your build rarely will red seal help with scaling but in late game maybe ante 7 and 8 then red seal is the best

[elfin scaffold]

OMG BRO WHY AM I HAVING SUCH A HARD TIME WIHT TIS

[viral raft]

great to end runs

[elfin scaffold]

I can hit ante 12 to save my life

[viral raft]

you can prepare red seals to end runs and get free stickering

is not that hard

[cosmic sun]

These are more like scenarios where you have money and are looking for xmult

[stark charm]

Red seal glass🤤

[cosmic sun]

Say you have a really fat grimbo

[viral raft]

you can even play gold cards before going to glass and steel to win the runs

[calm furnace]

wow so much score

[cosmic sun]

You could also just find a nova and have around 2x

[elfin scaffold]

Barely hit 2.4m on the last round btw

[viral raft]

"great to end runs" are you even reading?

[cosmic sun]

Or likely you would be opening a lot of arcana packs and you could get some support that way

[calm furnace]

what does end runs mean

i can win ante 8 with lvl 1 pair

[viral raft]

Ante 7-8

[viral raft]

excuse me?

you usually go planet levels in the entire run

[ruby vessel]

Why in the world would u be playing a level one hand

[viral raft]

so then thoses Xmults are strong

[calm furnace]

?

[elfin scaffold]

Bro only used planets 😭

[calm furnace]

did square and runner die

?

[elfin scaffold]

Jokers ever heard of em

[calm furnace]

and stuntman

[cosmic sun]

idk why you mention level 1 pair like that is the only scenario

[calm furnace]

red glass wont be useful unless you have tons of planets. which is not something you always have

[viral raft]

yeah, like i said a hundred times, red seals are good to end runs, not fricking play ante 1 lmao

[calm furnace]

if you have +mult and chips you are not buying planets

[serene forge]

k

[viral raft]

???

[cosmic sun]

I mean if oyu made it that far you'd likely have either planet levels or a chip joker

[elfin scaffold]

Chad?, any retrigger??

[stark charm]

Gg…

[cosmic sun]

So like

moot point

[elfin scaffold]

This guy is larping balala

[cosmic sun]

Okay I should reiterate my point

[viral raft]

you will always go for planets lol, so then you don't need to worry about scaling +mult and +chips

so then Xmults are strong are hell

like Red seal Steel/glases

[cosmic sun]

Steels can be good supports

[calm furnace]

lol

[stark charm]

Planet help with your scoring massively

[calm furnace]

planet cards vs the eye

[stark charm]

It scale parabolically

[calm furnace]

did i say planet cards are bad?

blue seals are the meta for a reason

[elfin scaffold]

Maybe if you only use x multi jokers

There's other ways to win

[viral raft]

yeah, Steels are great but not because they don't work in some lame ass lvl 1 pair are bad 😭

[elfin scaffold]

What meta is bro talking about

[ruby vessel]

Apparently u think so bc u according to u u always have level one hands

[stark charm]

Rarely will I win goldstake without xmult

[cosmic sun]

I think bro just got lost in the sauce idk

[stark charm]

Except plasma because plasma

[elfin scaffold]

There's a different between no x multi and not only x multi

[viral raft]

so why are you using lvl 1 as the example?? that's highkey stupid, you will get mult value to get Xmult strong, this applies on anything, this is like saying Xmults jokers are awful because they need +mult resource before scoring

[stark charm]

???

[cosmic sun]

We lowkey went on a tangent about steels but I think it would benefit you to look for more steels

[stark charm]

Planet card are still strong with mult joker

[cosmic sun]

Could literally save your ass

[calm furnace]

lvl 10 still bad

[elfin scaffold]

I said 0laented are only the most important thing in your scaling IF you only use x multi

[calm furnace]

the whole argument is that red seals are the weakest seal

[stark charm]

Because chips

[calm furnace]

and for gold stake red seals are the wakest seals

[elfin scaffold]

Not true

They are better than planet seal at least

[calm furnace]

do you pick red seal over blue purple or gold?

[stark charm]

Sons

[calm furnace]

son

[elfin scaffold]

Purple I use the most red second most

[last path]

i just finished my run i shared earlier with a level 70 two pair

[calm furnace]

blue seals are broken 😭

[elfin scaffold]

Astronaut?

[stark charm]

Best seal in the game

[cosmic sun]

🤨

[calm furnace]

by far

[ruby vessel]

Or burnt joker

[stark charm]

Getting nefted to the ground next patch

[viral raft]

son, use a hand which is good with planet scaling 😭
theres a reason that i go 4oak in my screenshot

[cosmic sun]

Was just defending red seal uses tbh

[calm furnace]

yes 4oak the meta of gold stake

[viral raft]

uh, yeah? is good to end runs tho

[ruby vessel]

I don’t think he knows how to play anything other then pair slop

[elfin scaffold]

Are @stark charm and @calm furnace top 10 balatro larpers?

[calm furnace]

.

[cosmic sun]

why you say that while dumping on blue seals