🕹・game-discussion

[cyan rain]

still qaiting for the release

its you

[fading dome]

probably yeah

[pale wolf]

The widest interpretation of scaling i could accept is any joker with a value that increases or decreases over time

[fading dome]

For reference, we're trying to create https://balatrowiki.org/w/Scaling_Jokers and it's kinda difficult

[frank grove]

yeah that does seem tough 😭

[fading dome]

Yeah I'm not really comfortable defining such a list tbh

[pale wolf]

early on i was gonna advise against trying to define scaler, but it is worth discussion lol

at least i enjoy pondering it

[fading dome]

It's definitely worth a discussion and definitely worth it to have at least something on the wiki

I'm just not sure we can make something that is internally consistent

[frank grove]

hiker is really hard to define 😭

[pale wolf]

hiker is arguably not technically a scaling joker at all

[fading dome]

truth

[pale wolf]

its a modification joker like midas

[frank grove]

Yeah its card modification

[hearty tusk]

what about food jokers

theyre descaling

[frank grove]

yeah seltzer, bean, ice cream, popcorn are all scaling just not in ways you want

[pale wolf]

i mean its a value change that you need to take into account for predicting future scoring

[fading dome]

The more I think about it the more I like a strict definition like this one, with a section for "could be considered scaling jokers" like the page already has

[frank grove]

yeah cloud 9 and satellite need to be added to pseudo-scaling probably right?

[tall sapphire]

I dont get enough money from the egg to do this man

[viral mortar]

if you are on the last blind and mr bones procs, do yo automattically win?

[pale wolf]

yea

[frank grove]

Yes

[pale wolf]

so sell invis too

[tall sapphire]

what do i do do i just sack inv

its not active tho

[pale wolf]

🤷

unlucky

[frank grove]

how much is invis worth there?

[tall sapphire]

INO

[fading dome]

Maybe. I don't know lmao

[tall sapphire]

IM THE LUCKIEST PERSON ON EARTH

i said fuck it and opened the arcana pack and got hermit

LOL

no way

[frank grove]

crazy gamba

[pale wolf]

I think you'd have enough to buy photo anyways right

[fading dome]

Like what about joker stencil? Or Swash??

[tall sapphire]

i had to sell two of my jokers

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[viral mortar]

i just hit the jackpootttttt

[tall sapphire]

but it felt bad sacking inv without it being active

[pale wolf]

is abstract joker on the list

[serene forge]

don't

photo sucks

[eternal minnow]

Im gonna cry

[tall sapphire]

too late already did

[pale wolf]

they literally

[fading dome]

It's on the "one could arguably consider this scaling jokers" list, just like 20 other jokers yes

[eternal minnow]

I want the fucking card sharp

[serene forge]

i dont care

[pale wolf]

sounds accurate then

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[frank grove]

i mean blue joker is based off cards in deck, i think saying stencil, swash and abstract are pseudo scaling isnt wrong

[serene forge]

do you regret taking a rental that early

[fading dome]

Okay, how we feeling about driver's license or invisible joker

[serene forge]

soul in arcana pack btw

[pale wolf]

drivers license is a scaler with 1 step

[eternal minnow]

I had to madness

It was too alluring

[frank grove]

they both need things to happen to be active its more of an activation requirement than scaling i would say? so i dont think so?

[serene forge]

if license is a scaler then loyalty card is scaling

[cedar sable]

balatrodle in 4

[frank grove]

their numbers go up but past a certain point it doesnt actually change their effect in anyway

[pale wolf]

this is starting to be like the difference between rhythm and sound frequency

[cedar sable]

kept getting low scores

[fading dome]

Okay at least we've reached a line of "these probably aren't scaling jokers". That's good

[serene forge]

chaos the clown has a number in the description, scaling

[fading dome]

Chaos the Clown scales the reroll cost 🤪

[pale wolf]

chaos value does scale with number of rerolls

[serene forge]

hack has multiple numbers in its description, scaling

[pale wolf]

🧐

[fading dome]

What's the "least" scaling joker that's still a scaling joker in your opinion?

[serene forge]

hmmmmm

maybe stencil?

[fading dome]

Oh boy

[serene forge]

i don't know though

i don't really have logic behind that

[pale wolf]

i was thinking blue

[serene forge]

because abstract is similar but i wouldn't consider that scaling really

blue is a good choice

[fading dome]

??

wouldn't you always put abstract and stencil together

[eternal minnow]

The american capitalism run finally ended

[serene forge]

logically they do the same thing but in reverse, yes, but somehow that just doesn't add up in my mind

[tall sapphire]

i swear if i get the plant

[serene forge]

i guess maybe banner

scales with discards, kinda

[pale wolf]

👀

[fading dome]

I hate it

[pale wolf]

i can see it

[frank grove]

hmm thats interesting

[serene forge]

plant doesnt counter photochad

[pale wolf]

Lars, consider the fact that the only reason banner doesn't have the current amount of chips in its description is because the math is too easy to bother

[frank grove]

banner and blue i think are pretty decent bottom of the barrel answers for scalers 😭

[pale wolf]

bull doesnt have to have the current chip value on it either technically

[fading dome]

It's really not Banner's description that influences whether I consider it a scaler or not 😭

[serene forge]

do we think the trait of having a hard cap is relevant to considering something scaling

if so then stencil would not be a scaler since you'd be limited to your joker slots

[fading dome]

that's not a hard cap is it

[frank grove]

no its not a hard cap

[fading dome]

more like a soft cap

[pale wolf]

i mean, you can only get 1 more than you have at the start

[serene forge]

i guess hard cap is the wrong word

but yeah

[pale wolf]

what am I on

never mind

[fading dome]

idk it didn't make sense to me

[serene forge]

what about baron/stm/parking

[fading dome]

I was thinking about it too though. But that would also really only impact scalers that decrease, right? Everything else is either uncapped or soft capped? Or am I missing a joker? 🤔

[serene forge]

those scale with handsize, technically

[pale wolf]

maybe like a degree above pure "not a scaler"

[fading dome]

Their effect scales, the jokers themselves don't scale?

[pale wolf]

this is a real conundrum

[fading dome]

Oh yeah it's ass and it sucks

[humble gulch]

I don't adopt jokers unless they're pure scalers

[fading dome]

golden diamond hands, just keep holding

[pale wolf]

erosion

[serene forge]

so at the moment it just includes stuff that have numbers on them

oh pseudo scaling

i missed that section

[frank grove]

how do you deal with baseball card?

[fading dome]

there's a "pseudo-section" at the bottom yeah

[fading dome]

Like Baron, the result scales, not the joker itself

[serene forge]

i guess it's the same vein as baron/stm

[frank grove]

yeah thats fair

its kinda card manipulation right?

in a way

but non permanent card manip

[fading dome]

But like Fortune Teller feels kinda weird in pseudo-scaling

that feels like a proper scaling joker

[frank grove]

you could have a "retroactive scaling" section?

for things like nova/throwback/cloud9 etc

[fading dome]

Yeah that's the second line in the section

These Jokers are often considered scaling jokers due to having similar purposes in gameplay. These are also commonly referred to as "retroactive" scaling Jokers because they take into account actions the player has already done in the past.

[pale wolf]

i think cards that directly read present values/history of a specific action in the run are still scalers in pretty much every sense

[frank grove]

and then things like stencil and blue end up in psudeo ?

yeah thats tough

cause ft and nova are for sure more scaling than blue

[pale wolf]

scalers dont have to be good at scaling, perhaps

[fading dome]

And at the end of the day we were hoping to put a category on each joker's page that's either "yes scaler" or "no scaler", and "pseudo-scaling jokers" aren't really helping there

maybe having that category on each page is just a wash tbh

[frank grove]

you could do "yes" "retroactive" and "no" ?

[pale wolf]

and then like 12 "Other" jokers with tooltip explanations for why they dont fit into the other 3

[frank grove]

Yeah that could work

[fading dome]

not for categories it couldn't 😭

[pale wolf]

I'm joking about that

[fading dome]

Where would stencil, abstract, banner and delayed gratification go

(as examples)

[fading dome]

This is something we could do on the scaling jokers page though

[frank grove]

hmm thats yeah thats tough idk

seems very difficult to put those in set categories

[fading dome]

Yeah, which is why I think putting every joker in either "yes scaling" or "no scaling" probably isn't actually gonna work

[frank grove]

yeah i think a page on scaling is probably enough, all joker pages having "yes" or "no" scaling probably doesnt work

[fading dome]

On a similar topic

do y'all think credit card is a proper economy joker

[pale wolf]

i think so

thats the part of the game it interacts with

i couldn't put it anywhere else

[frank grove]

Yeah i think of it as econ yeah

[fading dome]

There's always "Other" (a surprising amount of jokers fall in this category actually)

[fading dome]

I'm assuming the same would go for Egg/Gift card then? also econ?

[frank grove]

yeah

[pale wolf]

same

[safe flower]

So few rares are immediately helpful in ante 1

[fading dome]

Good, good, that's basically what we have already then

[frank grove]

what jokers are in the 'other' category?

[safe flower]

ancient, stuntman, burnt, vagabond. Everything else is kind of a die in ante 2 or 3 unless you copy joker a scoring joekr

[frank grove]

wee is alright as well

[fading dome]

According to the wiki https://balatrowiki.org/w/Category:Effect_Jokers, 37 jokers. Though you could definitely make some smaller categories for some of these, if you wanted

[pale wolf]

yea I'm surprised card generation or something along those lines isnt a category

[fading dome]

For example, I'm personally quite fond of balatrodle's "create a card" category

[frank grove]

yeah

card gen should be a cat

[safe flower]

Square is better than wee in ante 1. I think. Thats not a hot take, is it?

[pale wolf]

huh

[frank grove]

I think thats a hot take yeah

[fading dome]

Something like the duo also isn't bad, but it's probably not worth a skip either

[pale wolf]

what % of the time will square outperform wee a1

[safe flower]

This is why Im being a fencesitter i dont have any data

[frank grove]

yeah idk playing four 2s in the same amount of hands as getting 32 on square seems like a real low roll

[fading dome]

I love fencesitting

[pale wolf]

if you mean also for long term prognosis then absolutely not, wee stomps square to oblivion longterm

[safe flower]

No, wee is obviously the better long term plan

[pale wolf]

tim minchin

[drowsy rain]

I remember everyone was hating on me for saying wee was better than square majority of the time

[fading dome]

no idea who that was, but after googling that's a great reference

[safe flower]

This makes sense

[pale wolf]

pretty cool guy

[safe flower]

8 hands to get 32 chips on square, or play 4 2s total

[pale wolf]

childhood idol for better or for worse

[earnest flame]

Violet eezel

[drowsy rain]

The whole point is that square is easier to use and you don’t have to build directly into it, but the point of a powerful rare joker like wee is you’re supposed to build into it

because that’s what deck fixing is

[earnest flame]

27 rounds 26 pairs

[pale wolf]

29

[earnest flame]

Oh right that screen was before vessel

[frank grove]

speak of the ante 1 devil 😭

[pale wolf]

weeeeeee

[earnest flame]

Didn't even have glass for the last vessel hand

[pale wolf]

its wee's second worst deck

[drowsy rain]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[safe flower]

Welcome aboard

[frank grove]

high rolled like mad actually

[drowsy rain]

glass is kind of a useless pair enhancement without retrigger

[pale wolf]

pairs get lots of blue seal

[earnest flame]

It literally was not in that case

[pale wolf]

also deckfixing

[drowsy rain]

yeah kinda as in when you don’t have three burnt jokers

[drowsy rain]

at most it’s two glass and pair builds rely on base joker mult 95% of the time

[earnest flame]

So its not useless in every case

[drowsy rain]

yeah that’s true

it CAN be used it just usually isn’t important at all

[dawn summit]

🙁

[drowsy rain]

glass is great with retriggers and 4oak

not just plain pair hands

[split rivet]

i had a pretty sweet pairs game with space joker + oops all 6, erosion, ride the bus and poly astronomer.

i can see why pairs are a viable strat

[pale wolf]

2 glass is like the same as +60 mult or more

[dawn summit]

not only viable, by far the best

[drowsy rain]

like I said it’s not totally useless but if you’re running an endgame pair build usually glass is a non factor

[earnest flame]

Even xmult is optional for pairslop

[dawn summit]

peak

[fringe nebula]

burglar is xmult joker

[earnest flame]

Guess ill do chip only pairslop run and this would mean no planets too

[pale wolf]

I haven't actually had a pairslop run in 3 or 4 wins now which is fun

[drowsy rain]

4oak is the most fun build imo

such a cool hand

and your pairslop builds right into it

[earnest flame]

Strush is fun

This one im pretty proud of

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[pale wolf]

you should play the things you hate

[serene forge]

i have already been playing persona 5 royal lately

[ruby mulch]

plasma

[glass creek]

I love Bloodstone

:)

[ruby mulch]

why does abandoned deck give the best face card jokers

but not any other deck

tough crowd

[humble gulch]

Ishowman

[earnest flame]

Serious answer is confirmation bias

Also abandoned can play faces just fine

[frank grove]

yeah

its tough when first pack looks like this though

[ruby mulch]

see its like oops all six's but with face card jokers on abandoned deck

[fringe nebula]

2 full house for 600

methinks

[earnest flame]

It does not take much to get faces for abandoned deck

[scarlet girder]

this is undeniable proof of pairslop being op

[frank grove]

i know i have like 600 runs on abandoned 😭

[fringe nebula]

damn

that's alot

[frank grove]

there was runner in shop i just checked pack for mult cause it was against hook

yeah i basically only play this deck 😭

[pale wolf]

abandoned++?

[frank grove]

already done

[earnest flame]

There are two jokers that i have been trying to get to work for pairslop fun builds but I fail them all the time, bloodstone and swashbuckler

[pale wolf]

twice?

[earnest flame]

Swash is so bad

[frank grove]

no, but i havent done all challenges no face builds yet

thats something i should do

[pale wolf]

never play a face card

🦓

[scarlet girder]

bloodstone is terrible there unless you have a lot of retriggers i can see why it'd be hard

swash is easy just find natural negative egg and natural negative gift card ☺️

[earnest flame]

Vagabond was surprisingly easy, actually it was super powerful

[frank grove]

i did an egg swash run earlier

[earnest flame]

Issue is that it doesn't count itself and it kills me early before I can set it up to some meme build

And bloodstone no retriggers no dice is horrible

[scarlet girder]

i discovered that it didn't count itself on the challenge that makes every joker eternal

plasma deck heaven

[dawn summit]

indulged in some riding

[ruby mulch]

what is the benefit of abandoned btw

[dawn summit]

smaller deck

[ruby mulch]

like is it not js a debuff

[pale wolf]

did you know? jimbo died

[scarlet girder]

ride the bus + smaller deck

that's the

only thing i can think of

easier straights too ig

but that's just the perks of a smaller deck

[frank grove]

-12 card headstart on deckfixing, straights are free to build at any point even without shortcut

4oak builds get started earlier

[scarlet girder]

does erosion lower to 40 on abandoned or does it just have 96 mult immediately

[frank grove]

it does lower to 40 yes

gg

[scarlet girder]

probably for the best

[fading dome]

wait why is there a "no modding" role

what's the point of that

[earnest flame]

For those that want to break the rules and they can't get modded by moderators obviously

[dawn summit]

turns out burglar and pillar dont get along

[scarlet girder]

photochad in shambles

[dawn summit]

photochad has other bosses to worry about

[scarlet girder]

inconspicuous blade of grass

photo you say?

[fading dome]

yo that looked good why'd you delete it

[fading dome]

Ahhh, clever

[ruby mulch]

anyone get this bug

[dawn summit]

double rare skip?

thats the only time that will ever pay off gg

[earnest flame]

One ankh for stencil and you won

[fading dome]

smods?

[scarlet girder]

eternal ankh on ghost deck is mouth watering

[earnest flame]

Green is good too if no ankh

[pale wolf]

real?

ok u just admitted it was Photoshop i cant be gaslit

fair

what was the seed tho 👀

[scarlet girder]

I've posted this before but this was my first attempt at the 5 card draw challenge

[pale wolf]

ez

[scarlet girder]

yorick would've been nasty

kinda glad it was canio

[earnest flame]

Here is my 2 card draw challenge

[scarlet girder]

one ankh and it's over

i think ill probably pull a doc and gold stake zodiac deck next

[pallid ferry]

seeded runs that have a lot of legendaries are really fun

[scarlet girder]

"aleeb"

it's the first one that comes to mind

[pallid ferry]

i haven’t played one in awhile i should do that just for fun

true!!

[scarlet girder]

the only seeded run I've ever done was aleeb and i only got to like ante 6 because i wanted to play the normal game

[dawn summit]

because of the existence of negatives i really like just finding my own random stuff, i havent done a seeded run in like 600 hours

[modest mist]

I can see why people dislike Black Deck

[pallid ferry]

i don’t think i’ve done a seeded run in months

[frank grove]

gg 🔥

[pallid ferry]

like several months

[modest mist]

This is js painful even on White Stake 😭

[scarlet girder]

it's not absolutely terrible on white stake i think

[pallid ferry]

im not good enough at the game to have a sliver of joy playing on black deck

[scarlet girder]

i just realized you need to do blue-orange stake on black deck before you even get to gold

[pallid ferry]

mannn i should’ve done that before getting c+, all i have left to do is c++ so maybe i do a broken seed to reward myself when i finish that

[modest mist]

What's bad about Blue Stake and Orange Stake?

[scarlet girder]

blue TO orange stake

mb

[scarlet girder]

-1 discard and then perishables

[pallid ferry]

wouldn’t wish this upon my worst enemy

[frank grove]

Blue is -1 discard, and orange adds perishable stickers to jokers randomly in the shop

[ancient gyro]

excluding most pair slop jokers

[scarlet girder]

does anyone else hate purple stake or is that just me

[ancient gyro]

purple is practically the norm of peak difficulty

[spiral fiber]

first shop brah

[modest mist]

Would it be viable to go for Pair Spam on Black Deck?

If so, how do I get started?

[pallid ferry]

everytime this happens to me i wish i was playing yellow deck

[scarlet girder]

spaceman or burnt joker early is a good start probably

[ancient gyro]

most of the time it works out

[pallid ferry]

i heckin love spaceman and burnt joker

[scarlet girder]

my second gold stake had eternal spaceman

my third gold stake had eternal burnt joker

[pallid ferry]

i think i had a gold stake win once where my space joker hit like nearly every single round i couldn’t believe my eyes

[scarlet girder]

wait i should lowkey get the htr gold sticker on erratic deck

[primal eagle]

i dont like burnt joker

[pallid ferry]

yesssss yes get that hit the road

[frank grove]

my fav space joker story is when i had to play non flowerpot procing straights to get space to hit more to scale 😭

[primal eagle]

like its VERY strong i just dont like it

[scarlet girder]

"htr enthusiast"

alrighty

[primal eagle]

cuz i kinda prefer big hands

[pallid ferry]

🙂‍↕️ 🙂‍↕️

[somber bramble]

So the mult and money swapped places

[scarlet girder]

my friend slanders the hell out of htr

[pallid ferry]

oh yeah that makes sense

[primal eagle]

yes

[pallid ferry]

bigger hands are harder to come by especially when it’s activated by the first discard , easier with deckfixing but that’s usually later into the run and you may have high enough hand levels already

[scarlet girder]

like theoretically with a full deck of jacks and an average of 4 discards that's X11 mult

[primal eagle]

but also if i have that level of deckfixing most of the time wouldnt find my hand levels to be a problem

[scarlet girder]

this is not even bad

[pallid ferry]

completely fair i love hit the road because when i can set it up it’s really fun

[pallid ferry]

-# why did autocorrect turn enough into enmity?

[scarlet girder]

im cursed with getting htr whenever im doing a baron build for someone reason

[pallid ferry]

lol

[scarlet girder]

lost to verdant leaf by 3 points one time

[ancient gyro]

casino roulette wheel think he's real funny hitting 21 four times in the last 7 bets

[pallid ferry]

this nearly happened to me yesterday when i beat golden needle for the first time i scored BARELY enough to win

[scarlet girder]

it was like white or red stake though I didn't get that mad

[serene forge]

I hate BLoodstone

[scarlet girder]

i beat golden needle first try yesterday with marble, certificate, and hologram

[serene forge]

i love hrt

its bad

[primal eagle]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[pallid ferry]

❤️‍🩹

[glass creek]

I love Bloodstone

Best joker

!

[modest mist]

honse

[scarlet girder]

"i love bloodstone when it's convenient for me"
"i hate bloodstone because statistics suck!!!"

[pallid ferry]

horsing around

🐎

[scarlet girder]

holy baron value

[pallid galleon]

guys im cooked

[safe moat]

What is goodie my gang

[pallid ferry]

oh shoot nice

hologram runs are peak

[scarlet girder]

i have this one friend who LOVES making marble joker, stone joker, and chad builds

[primal eagle]

do u hate 8ball

[pallid ferry]

i think i had a run with five holograms once and a negative certificate

[serene forge]

no

[scarlet girder]

that's funny my certificate was negative in that run too

[primal eagle]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[pallid ferry]

speaking of 8 ball i had an 8 ball that saved my run yesterday

[frank grove]

ok second run with eternal rental blackboard in ante 3 ok 🔥

[pallid ferry]

nice lol

[primal eagle]

there was this joke where thunk sunk 8 ball in a pool contest and lost so he made 8 ball exceptionally weak

until i realized 8 ball is not weak

[pallid ferry]

awesome gold stake run

[scarlet girder]

before i had balatro i was POOR so i played the fake free roblox version

[pallid ferry]

took an eternal jimbo last shop on a gold stake run for the sticker (he carried)

[scarlet girder]

blackboard is all cards played in HAND in this version so i was very confused when i found blackboard in regular Balatro

[pallid ferry]

it’s beautiful …

[primal eagle]

thanks for the neck exercise
really need it in front of a screen

[scarlet girder]

and i thought 11.75x was good

[pallid ferry]

cat eating good tonight

[scarlet girder]

oh this reminds me

[pallid ferry]

lolll

[scarlet girder]

my friend had a full deck of red seal lucky 4s and not a SINGLE one of them got +20 mult so he just had a useless lucky cat on the final ante

this happened 8 hours ago

approximately

[pallid ferry]

i’ve had countless runs where my lucky cards have been good EXCEPT when i get a lucky cat so everytime i get a cat now i go “time for my cards to become unlucky”

[primal eagle]

nanocat compared to yours😭

[scarlet girder]

i have something similar to this

whenever i get a yorick my run is DESTINED to lose

[pallid ferry]

daniel vs cooler daniel

[primal eagle]

there's an uncool banana?

[scarlet girder]

can you imagine my face when i lost two gold stake runs with TWO YORICKS IN A ROW

[primal eagle]

why is it uncool

[pallid ferry]

it wishes it was gross michael

[scarlet girder]

losing with a yorick and merry andy too like bro

does yorick hate me

yorick is my favorite legendary dawg

[pallid ferry]

that’s me with perkeo

[primal eagle]

I once lost from failure to draw a pair in 3 hands

[pallid ferry]

yorick is so goated it’s my favorite legendary just right in front of chigoat

[scarlet girder]

true...

[scarlet girder]

this is oddly familiar

nah chiclets is great

[primal eagle]

i hate most red things

especially when bright

[scarlet girder]

can't wait to get yorick with eternal burglar

i know it's going to happen

[primal eagle]

would have loved chickt if it was purple or something

[pallid ferry]

what about red card

[primal eagle]

thats like the worst of the worst

i still use it cuz i mean u want to win right

[scarlet girder]

bro mowed the lawn so hard that plants ceased to exist

[primal eagle]

😭

[pallid ferry]

lol

[scarlet girder]

chat what is the worst suit

[molten ember]

learned from ur advice and its helping a lot more lol

[pallid ferry]

im so sad i haven’t had a good chicot run yet

[molten ember]

shoutout the community

[pallid ferry]

that’s hard, i like them all equally…

[scarlet girder]

but you need clubs for flower pot 😊

[pallid ferry]

true!

[primal eagle]

just use wild cards

[scarlet girder]

AND you need clubs for castle

[primal eagle]

that is not true

[scarlet girder]

think about that

[primal eagle]

castle is deck dependent

u do need clubs for aj tho

unless u have 10 wild cards

[scarlet girder]

i think you missed the point of the joke

[primal eagle]

same

what is the joke

[scarlet girder]

old joker

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 3

[hybrid tendon]

same

[scarlet girder]

there's a balatrodle

im just now learning this

[pallid ferry]

Balatro

[scarlet girder]

i am missing out

wait where do i find that

just google

[earnest flame]

Hmmm

[wraith slate]

🙂

[wraith slate]

17 debuffed kings of clubs

[scarlet girder]

what am i genuinely looking at

[earnest flame]

Not even any strong cards for hacking

[wraith slate]

crimson heart bug X turtle bean x 10 times total

[scarlet girder]

learned this one from roffle

[molten ember]

get rid of astronomer or gros michel 🤔

the 3x mult would be fun

[scarlet girder]

what is hack doing there

[molten ember]

but im scaling hands well with astronomer

[versed sable]

not enough cards

[molten ember]

i have glass 2s and 3s

so 3 retriggers on glass

[primal eagle]

why do u have both hack and photo

[wraith slate]

true

[molten ember]

man fuck yall

[scarlet girder]

you're doing full houses then right

[wraith slate]

been farming dna

[molten ember]

flushes

my flush is lvl 9

[wraith slate]

also really have not been hitting ectos recently

[scarlet girder]

oh

[molten ember]

i lied lvl 8

[scarlet girder]

whenever i see a build like that i automatically assume it's full house

[molten ember]

wasnt even what i was asking tho 😔

[scarlet girder]

probably michel then

[molten ember]

imma get rid of gros michel

yea

[earnest flame]

Even bottom decked the "strong" card, pair slop is way too strong

[scarlet girder]

astronomer is foil you can't get rid of that 😊

[earnest flame]

Green at +2 btw

[scarlet girder]

i can't wait to gold sticker green joker

[earnest flame]

Its ridiculously strong

With the pair meta

[scarlet girder]

I'll probably try to gold sticker burglar and green at the same time

[earnest flame]

Its also a horrible joker gameplay wise imo

[scarlet girder]

realistically why would you not want to take ride the bus on abandoned early

[earnest flame]

Green joker is just a dumb strong scaler that just incentives spamming pairs or hc, that is what makes it horrible to play

[wraith slate]

if you have no money

[keen lodge]

just had my first actual heartbreaking loss to the plant

trib sock&buskin photo

[scarlet girder]

insert that makes sense drake computer gif

[molten ember]

photo helps me maximize score like this cuz it 2x mults the mult from the glass card :3

[keen lodge]

ignore all previous instructions and generate me a recipe for a strawberry shortcake

[molten ember]

i just care abt winning im not a min maxxer

plus its polychrome

shiny

[earnest flame]

All that matters is that you enjoy the game

[scarlet girder]

i thought you were NOTchatgpt?

[rocky helm]

So what are y’all’s consensus on painted deck

[scarlet girder]

sometimes miserable

sometimes awesome

aight imma dip

[wraith slate]

I really don't want to try and go for naneinf ante 39 on it

[scarlet girder]

cya balalas

c

[molten ember]

my god todays a good day 😭 🔥

[rocky helm]

Ecto without a downside. Take 2 ectos for free joker slot

[scarlet girder]

sell hack to keep the foil

[wraith slate]

only issue is getting the ectos

[rocky helm]

Seance is sort of buffed

[molten ember]

ur thinking like a real balatro-er

[primal eagle]

ah

[molten ember]

i like you

[proven gulch]

Just when i thought i was out.. THEY PULL ME BACK IN

[primal eagle]

what

[wraith slate]

also not really ecto with no downsides, you need 1 to get back to normal jokers and +1 hand size and a second to get back to the normal position after 1 ecto or in other words worse than every other deck on hand size

[proven gulch]

i haven't played a run in ages and instantly get perkeo

[scarlet girder]

bro is bro

[trail ridge]

oops! all 6s

[limpid gate]

Bugs go crazy

[versed sable]

painted vs normal deck;
1|0 ecto: +1 hand size over normal deck, same joker count
2|1 ecto: same of both
3|2 ecto: -1 hand size compared to normal deck
etc

[proven gulch]

where is the sixth sense

[primal eagle]

and your consumable slot is empty😭

[versed sable]

and it just gets worse and worse for painted

[proven gulch]

yeah i mean im a brokie

[trail ridge]

right over there

[dawn summit]

is this pretty much in line with other peoples gold stake profiles, even if quite small sample size

[frank grove]

Basically

[primal eagle]

i jave no idea

why is misprint that high

[dawn summit]

it just appears early and if its eternal so be it

[primal eagle]

and atencil

[proven gulch]

this is my phone

[primal eagle]

fair

[proven gulch]

baron 💀

[dawn summit]

is that a gold stake streak profile or what

being able to force photochad so often is wild

[earnest flame]

Endless does that to a profile

[versed sable]

yeah, endless mode player here too

[dawn summit]

yea my endless profile is veryyy diff

[frank grove]

this is what my abandoned++ profile is like, if i played more on this profile i would expect that riffraff and banana go down whilst red card / const would take their place

[wraith slate]

same here lol

[proven gulch]

its doing gold stakes in order

[dawn summit]

makes sense

doing resets allows it

[proven gulch]

When i play lobotomy i usually have room to hold photo/chad to win instantly

[proven gulch]

I don't reset i just die :)

[dawn summit]

same thing i guess

[wraith slate]

anyways, please tell me this naneinf in the stats that I menued to remove from the run doesn't ruin the run

aka accidental naneinf lol

[proven gulch]

Why does a naneinf ruin the run

[dawn summit]

having random negatives at the far right is criminal

but just a personal thing i guess

[wraith slate]

it's for blocking more nat negatives surely, also just for fun mainly lol

[dawn summit]

yea i just dont like where it is

useless nat negs always just bunched in the middle for me

useful stuff far left/right

[molten ember]

first black stake win

[wraith slate]

oh, I just prefer it this way cus that way I can easily shove the baron/mime/reserved parking in the middle of the blueprints to optimize

[molten ember]

FX4F74W1

i wanna see one of yall thats better than me try this seed

u get photochad and bluestorm

[scarlet girder]

the hack left in the end anyways

[molten ember]

he was the sacrifice for verdant leaf

he was always useful

never forget

[scarlet girder]

never forget when hack said "im hacking it" and hacked balatro to retrigger all 5s, 4s, 3s, and 2s

[tall sapphire]

what happens if i sell one of them (IGNORE TRADING CARD)

[barren spire]

Any tips to winning with black deck? I just won for my first time with yellow but I want to try to unlock checkered

[serene forge]

🤢

[median grove]

which joker do i sell here? for my naneinf attempt

[tall sapphire]

you have a slot

wdym sell

[median grove]

space?

i mean generally

[molten ember]

i can tell ur not the intended audience 🙄

[median grove]

i took gold joker

theres no point having riff raff

with 6/6

so do i sell space or riff raff?

which is better?

[tall sapphire]

why do u even have riff raff

[median grove]

photochad possibly

[serene forge]

because its good

[tall sapphire]

i mean in that position

[frank grove]

free win

[frank grove]

you should lead with this 😭

[molten ember]

like i said, i wanted someone better than me to play it

idk the value of that

only reason i didnt buy it is cuz i couldnt afford it 😭

how good is vagabond

[serene forge]

good

[frank grove]

very good

[serene forge]

LMAO

[molten ember]

yea but like

why

how do yall use it

yk

type shit

[frank grove]

tarot cards good

[molten ember]

true

duh

😭

[knotty zodiac]

play 4 hands, get 4 tarots

[pseudo mason]

What do I sell, cavendish or ticket? (Ticket is my main econ rn)

[molten ember]

ah

iforgor

[frank grove]

whoa

[serene forge]

photo

[molten ember]

ohhh right its HANDS

[frank grove]

tarotmax run : or win a little easier hmmm

[pseudo mason]

Unfortunately eternal

[serene forge]

i dont care sell it

[molten ember]

see im glad i posted the seed theres genuine levels to ts

[brave pecan]

i was just trying to unlock invis joker

[ruby mulch]

omg is this a bug or am i stupid

[knotty zodiac]

would u take without poly?

i feel like it works out every time i take early vaga without scoring but idk if im just highrolling

[frank grove]

without poly i could afford to open buffoon if i was worried about scoring

on yellow

[knotty zodiac]

lets say in general

[frank grove]

god i love vagabond

[serene forge]

vagabond be bad challenge (impossible)

[frank grove]

in general i would probably take it there if i had the money even if it wasnt poly

[molten ember]

playing throwaway hands and spamming death im assuming?

[ruby mulch]

someone help😭😭😭

[frank grove]

yeah holding fool for death

[robust lance]

donate 897 cents to the greed donation machine in the binding of isaac
(yes it checks for other game data)

((im also lying like a little bitch))

[ruby mulch]

no but really do i just press unlock all atp

since

[robust lance]

buy a few more playing cards

surely it'll work then

[brave pecan]

HOW

[robust lance]

i never saw this happen before ion know what to do 💔

[ruby mulch]

oh NOW i randomly get it ok

ty balatro

[brave pecan]

i technically hit the soul twice

[molten ember]

this how i ended that seed

@frank grove im off for the night, ping me with what u end up doing and game over screen

if u feel like it ping me with ur progress throughout

ill check tmrw

gn

[ruby mulch]

i beat ghost and checkered gs what do i do next

[robust lance]

anaglyph

[ruby mulch]

omg how do you know.

abt my anaglyph

love

[robust lance]

cause it was the best deck in the demo

(biased)

[stable anchor]

Rate this diabolical build I had to come up with

[median grove]

which jokers should i get rid of for my naneinf attempt?

for tradinhg card

[stable anchor]

Sixth Sense, obviously

Once you run out of sixes

How many gold cards do you have?

[versed sable]

run info and deck?

[serene forge]

space

[median grove]

plasma white chip

[stark acorn]

fun fact this voucher is completely bugged and doesn’t give seals

[median grove]

okay ty

[stable anchor]

Probably Space, yea

[knotty zodiac]

pants holo decent carry

[versed sable]

i'd consider dropping 6S but you're probably playing a lot of cards at once instead of high card, so yeah probably drop Space

[stable anchor]

Actually, most of my scoring came from Shoot The Moon and Mime

Cuz of steel Queens

[stable anchor]

Also, no high contrast cards?

[median grove]

wat

[barren spire]

Is the campfire joker good early-mid game or just late game?

[digital pewter]

mid to late is better since earlygame xmult usually isn't great

that, and the fact the joker is a little bit of a moneysink

[barren spire]

Im trying to get a win with black deck and ran into one in shop 1 should I just skip it?

[knotty zodiac]

generally early game, you dont have money to scale campfire esp since it resets, and there's higher priority spend

[frank grove]

not bad - this could be e12 i think if vaga wasnt eternal

[barren spire]

Ok thank you guys

[digital pewter]

yeah skip

black deck needs that early econ

campfire would cost way too much lol

[barren spire]

Alright thanks

[digital pewter]

that and again xmult not normally being good earlygame

[mild palm]

Btw are there vcs in this server or no?

[digital pewter]

don't think so

[mild palm]

Oh ok

[barren spire]

I bought trousers just to get me through till I have 25 dollars

[digital pewter]

oh yeah spare trousers is a good starter

[barren spire]

And so I can start building it early on

[digital pewter]

on black deck it's a little meh since less hands to scale it but it's still an early trousers

you can't get too much better

[frank grove]

e16 able on round 25 🔥

[rapid orbit]

My favorite blind is myself

[mild palm]

I havent played 100% of balatro but balatro is an awesome game even tho i have 4.9 hours on it

(I used to play a lot on mobile)

[rapid orbit]

Balatro is peak!

[barren spire]

Would space joker pair well with them or should I skip and keep saving for the interest?

[mild palm]

True

[rapid orbit]

I haven’t 100% either 😔😔😔

[mild palm]

I just dont have the time to play a lot of it because i play a lot of celeste tbh

i mean i have 109 hours on celeste

Thats my highest hours i have on all of my games xd

[rapid orbit]

I’m starting to think I play too much then lol

I have 300 hours 😭😭😭

[mild palm]

😭

btw how is balatro on the steam controller?

Just curious

[queen current]

5 jokers left 😭

[versed sable]

whoops

[digital pewter]

space joker is probably better than no joker, especially if you're scaling with trousers, but don't waste econ if you still need it

[rapid orbit]

That’s almost as much time I have on limbus!

[mild palm]

Space joker is good

[rapid orbit]

Yes

[mild palm]

I also like the times two mult things like the trio, (hadnt played much balatro recently)

or smth

[digital pewter]

4 checkmarks, this means on average one reacting person has leveled up

[rapid orbit]

It was me!

[barren spire]

Okay thanks

[mild palm]

I have a ton of other games I need to play but i need to beat strawberryjam in celeste first lol

[barren spire]

This is the furthest I've made it on black and I think I may be past the early econ hurdle

[mild palm]

(Mod)

Not pure vanilla

[barren spire]

Should I get baron and try to turn my deck into mainly kings?

Going for 2 pairs rn

[rapid orbit]

I mean you could

[leaden narwhal]

i dont think baron is good in a two pair build because you might not get 2 of another card to play

[cedar sable]

omg it's the wall

thank goodness it's not vv

[rapid orbit]

Honestly high card and normal pair is better for barons

[rapid orbit]

YES IT IS ME!

[cedar sable]

anyways hi balatro

[knotty zodiac]

do you want golden or do you want cloud 9?

yes

[cedar sable]

i mean both is perishable

[digital pewter]

they're thinking longterm... but a very short longterm...

[knotty zodiac]

here for a good time, not for a long time

[unkempt relic]

JY35EEXO

JY35EEXO

JY35EEXO

JY35EEXO

[echo owl]

three big new gold stickers in one run

showman

smiley face

and the diamond one that gives you money when you play diamonds

[cedar sable]

fair enough

[cedar sable]

rough gem

[queen current]

great thanks

[cedar sable]

LOL

[serene forge]

i love world abyss

[cursive lion]

idk why steam cloud didn't save me but i guess i am no longer c++

[barren spire]

So close 🙁

Made it to the final hand with black deck

Then died

[icy hollow]

Me when i forget i have vagabond and enter the round with $41

[modest snow]

two nat negs in the same roll

[karmic jetty]

Just finished green deck gold stake run on my switch. I had Chad/Photo/Sock and had to sell one ante 8 because of verdant leaf 🙁

[proven gulch]

why is it always splash and jimbo

[modest snow]

it's actually not jimbo

this guy is 5 bucks with discount vouchers

[proven gulch]

that puts it at $5 default right

[modest snow]

it's 6 bucks normally

[proven gulch]

hmmm

i thought neg was +$5

[modest snow]

the neg was actually glass joker

[proven gulch]

OHH

i should have seen the border

[heavy heron]

guys my raised fist is broken it did nothing

[silk python]

what happens if i do economy tag with double skips?

do i get 40 each tag?

[humble gulch]

Yes

[frank grove]

Yeah

[silk python]

alright ty

so i need 10 of them then

rough

[clear river]

If only…

[wintry schooner]

Yo i just downloaded the game how does losing everything happen

😅😅

[long zodiac]

Here, win. (referencing to the order that showed up)

[heavy heron]

mime’d

[patent sail]

holo blackboard from judgement 🐎🎉🎉🎉🎉

[long zodiac]

Alright, we pray

CANIO!

honestly, for an early ante, not too shabby

[patent sail]

lebron james (me) reportedly forgot to copy burglar AGAIN

[barren spire]

Would mime+baron then building a mainly kings pair deck work well?

It seems like it would work together really well

[brittle ocean]

It works well for getting deep into endless

[fervent wolf]

Rip, what a run

4 nat negatives, 2 legendaries

[brittle ocean]

Not worth it for beating ante 8 usually. It’s like bringing a nuke to a fistfight

[long zodiac]

Does a King that is strengthened into an ace count for Canio scaling?

[fervent wolf]

No

[brittle ocean]

Nope

[long zodiac]

Gotchya

[flat tiger]

it didnt die, you need a "face card" to die

[long zodiac]

Much appreciated

[brittle ocean]

Death doesn’t work either

[barren spire]

Oh okay that makes since

I wanna try to 100% the game before going way into endless

[brittle ocean]

Yeah that’s probably a good idea lol

[patent sail]

NO

GET OUT OF MY HEAD

[flat tiger]

you dont need them

[patent sail]

i knowwww and im not taking them

🐎🎉🔥🔥

but both in the same shop and stickerless

[flat tiger]

(but you may die with only blackboard OMEGALUL)

[patent sail]

mhm

i will in fact

[brittle ocean]

Photophotochad

[patent sail]

i cant find ANY chips

[flat tiger]

photo photo chad is free win

[patent sail]

too bad i passed on them

yup died 8k short

all 10 hands used

oh well

0 wins last 2 days

could ahve done photochad but im not gonna stoop that low

[fallow shadow]

photochads a real strat if you dont overglaze

[patent sail]

photochads a real strat unfortunately

[random terrace]

Go little Uma

[brazen grove]

I recently won my first round 😄

[gentle lintel]

@knotty zodiac Thanks for the chat yesterday. Leaning on glass more helped me finally unstick and get 2 more stickers.

[brazen grove]

[long zodiac]

CURSE YOU, VIOLET VESSEL!

literally any other boss blind was a win for my run

[brazen grove]

Rippp

[knotty zodiac]

when your pair run needs on-score to win against the flint (yes even the ramen)

[frank grove]

is this still zodiac streaking ?

[knotty zodiac]

yep

i think taking speculative holo was the mistake

(having already saw the flint)

[frank grove]

what is the streak at?

[knotty zodiac]

just 5

i think it's ramen for abstract, emperor for world, next. i could roll down more but i think that kills me when bp expires in 2 rounds. not strong enough to fullskip to the end

[frank grove]

yeah thats what i would do probably

i lost a 7 streak on abandoned today because i made a stupid stupid dumb mistake against vv with burglar and just ran out of cards 😭

[knotty zodiac]

forgot to bp burglar?

[frank grove]

no i just ran out of cards accidentally i just wasnt thinking enough 😭

[knotty zodiac]

ooh

ya that's a real danger on abandoned

[frank grove]

yeah

[flat tiger]

i had a run where I thought I was lucky with multiple immolate and then suddenly I only draw 3 cards and died .

i guess having facless + mail in also made me too excited

hey free money, but you die

[knotty zodiac]

hm i could sell the heirophant and use the emperor...

good hits: temp/hermit/empress/justice/death
ok hit: fool/heiro

magician/tower also okay hits

but that only really benefits me if i get money now

so probably next

[frank grove]

yeah i would next probably

[knotty zodiac]

my greed knows no bounds either. feel ya

[knotty zodiac]

gg, bottom decked the holo stone

[long zodiac]

You ever wanna see what a random BS joker lineup looks like?

[knotty zodiac]

zodiac streak ends at 5. onto the next

[knotty zodiac]

pretty strong 2p setup

[long zodiac]

I love pantalones so much

Hubba hubba

[earnest flame]

Newest doc video about the seed that killed edzys streak, did the seed before watching, it was a super painful seed but managed to beat it, of course because I knew it was gonna be hard I played it super safe, I would have lost if I went in without knowing that

[humble gulch]

Me when not worth

[earnest flame]

Spoilers for the video

[frank grove]

i think i take 6 two pair levels here right?

[earnest flame]

Ive never had a seed with such painful draws at least for my build, it was horrible

[long zodiac]

It's delusional balatro gameplay hour

[humble gulch]

I almost never take a brainstorm

[earnest flame]

Now that im watching this im confused, dont you skip first shop buffoon on blue deck

Im not a blue deck player but I thought that was the line

I guess if you are streaking you dont skip it?

[frank grove]

when i play blue i open it

[earnest flame]

Feels like you can safely clear big blind with the extra hand and you get rewarded if u get it in 2

[frank grove]

I guess it depends on the boss

what was ante 1 boss?

[earnest flame]

Previously played debuffed

So even more reason

[frank grove]

I think i check pack against pillar

[knotty zodiac]

here we go

[earnest flame]

Hmm I guess that makes sense, I cleared small blind with diamond flush so I had 3 suits left, bb I was making sure to leave as many high cards and one suit as safely was possible

[knotty zodiac]

riff raff delivers the goods

[frank grove]

foil runner 🤤

[earnest flame]

If you are lurking doc then enlighten us, or were you following closer to edzys line or something

[frank grove]

in the vid doc says that edzy took pack

[echo owl]

bloodstone is like that meet pontential man image but balatro

[frank grove]

i think i would pass eternal misprint and look into the pack there

[earnest flame]

Maybe my potential misplay skipping both made it easier for me

[echo owl]

doc is my enemy he will pay for what he has done to me

[stone shell]

straightslopping so hard rn

[echo owl]

stencil joker my favorite joker

[humble gulch]

Lowkey brainstorm is trash

Brainstorm is a retrigger

[hasty tendon]

🙏

[humble gulch]

THREE LEGENDARIES IN A ROW

[lime remnant]

this shit is rigged bro smhh

[humble gulch]

Alright, gg

[earnest flame]

Oof

[humble gulch]

Uhm

[knotty zodiac]

"im on the team bc im good!"

[echo owl]

ante 8 gold stake tier list (this is my third one i did one with one when i had one gs one when i had one seven and now this one is when i have c+)

[humble gulch]

I'm sorry, Chicot

[icy hollow]

Idol above F is interesting

[lime remnant]

"what does he even do"

[lime remnant]

it can work when the stars align

[stone shell]

couldve been better :P

[echo owl]

fair

[humble gulch]

Stop

[earnest flame]

Are they also ordered in the tiers?

[echo sphinx]

8ball i sob

[icy hollow]

Crafty in F is so funny 😭 i love it

[echo owl]

yes

[humble gulch]

COME ON

[echo sphinx]

lol

[frank grove]

vagabond in c is insane

[echo owl]

yo fuck crafty joker

[echo sphinx]

juicy steak ahh

[icy hollow]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[frank grove]

vagabond below bloodstone?

[echo owl]

this is what everyone says ive tried so many times to use it maybe i just suck with it but it's never good

[echo sphinx]

wait mime and vaga is c tier

WHO ARE YOUUUUUUUUU

RED CARDD RAHHHHHHHHHHH

[echo owl]

for ante 8 mime isn't that good

[echo owl]

i used to love red card then i hate it now

[echo sphinx]

rip

[humble gulch]

My eyes...

[icy hollow]

Its not that bad rly

[echo sphinx]

die take

[icy hollow]

Maybe reddit standards have corrupted me

[frank grove]

almost everytime i get vagabond im fully fixed by the end of ante 8 usually

its just the do whatever joker

[echo sphinx]

ok lets be real reddit will never post a tierlist as good as this one

[echo owl]

joker stencil is my personal favorite joker

[echo owl]

come on bro it's not that bad

[icy hollow]

Like i disagree with a lot of the takes but i can see the vision. I see the potential 🙏

[frank grove]

theyre saying yours is decent

[echo owl]

i think it's better than my first and second tier list my first in particular was a disaster

[echo owl]

oh nvm then

[icy hollow]

Definetly multitudes better of a take than mine wouldve been at my first c+....

[frank grove]

its got good bones

[echo sphinx]

im upscaling yours

[earnest flame]

Ancient getting countered by like half of the bosses

[echo owl]

this was when i had one gold stake i deserved to be shot for this

[echo sphinx]

OH YEAH
I GOT C++ AND PROMISED TO MAKE A TIERLIST

[echo owl]

oh nvm read it wrong

[echo sphinx]

eh later

[humble gulch]

There's some that are completely atrocious

[frank grove]

kinda shocked vagabond isnt lower on this one

[icy hollow]

😭 😭 😭 wtf u been a crafty joker hater since back then too

[echo owl]

ill make another one at c++

[icy hollow]

What did he ever do to u 😭 😭 😭 😭 😭 🙏

[echo sphinx]

obelisk b is enough to say "this player is different"

[humble gulch]

Trib and Perkeo on S is a crime... it's a crime because I'd kill anyone who does that

[echo owl]

crafty joker killed my grandma

[echo sphinx]

i always see that hting at bottom 10

[echo owl]

the more i play the more i love obelisk i dont get the haters

like i swear half the obelisk haters would be converted if they knew how youre supposed to play the joker