🕹・game-discussion

[knotty zodiac]

jokers are in order within tiers

[visual turtle]

Seance slander is so good I could live

[viral raft]

tarot/plant gen aren't considered econ but i see the idea

[waxen quartz]

if it's endless, parking and ticket s. if it's ante 8...ticket should still be up there

[viral raft]

Rebate is beyond S tier

sorry Midas

[visual turtle]

Omg I found a soul card

Should I take it

[knotty zodiac]

econ definition here is "generates money, grants consumables, increases sell value, or gives value in the shop"

[waxen quartz]

early midas is auto-take. it's great

[waxen quartz]

absolutely

[visual turtle]

And sell it if it isn't chicot

[viral raft]

oh oh

[visual turtle]

Or yo, rick

[viral raft]

Midas is A tier

[waxen quartz]

fine, scales an xmult every 4 rounds, game won

[viral raft]

greta joker but isn't something that you will 100% in all situations

[visual turtle]

Sooo which one should I replace

[viral raft]

rebate literally you buy it in all situations except Burglar and maybe ante 8-7

[waxen quartz]

doesn't matter. it's ending soon anyway

[visual turtle]

OMG IT'S CHICOT

YAAAAAAY

[fiery nymph]

SEANCE 😔

[visual turtle]

Should I take vampire

[waxen quartz]

no

[visual turtle]

alright

[knotty zodiac]

on non-checkered basically requires a tarot to give you one spectral. bleh

[visual turtle]

should I take brainstorm

[viral raft]

i hate seance

[visual turtle]

and replace ramen

[fiery nymph]

seance in ghost deck tho 🔥🔥🔥

[frank grove]

abandoned you can get away with seance mid game i would say as long as you've done something to thin the deck a little

[visual turtle]

mid gay

[viral raft]

mid gay 🔥

[frank grove]

my phone? 😭

[knotty zodiac]

mid gay 😄 i gotcha tho

[lost vault]

thats me

[waxen quartz]

just have to draw the first strflush and you prob get sigil. just use it, then can always draw one 🙂

[knotty zodiac]

it'd be like... C-ish on abandoned or checkered?

[cosmic sun]

Hello thank you for putting my goat Dgrat over Satellite

[knotty zodiac]

im the #1 satellite hater. or maybe #2 after u

[frank grove]

hmm maybe? i think high d very low c

[terse vale]

chaos egg and hallu in D is crazy

[lost vault]

delgrat and goat SHould NOT be in tje same sentence

[cosmic sun]

I'm probably not a Satellite hater but definitely a Dgrat glazer.

[knotty zodiac]

egg- generates a one time sale event if no temperance
chaos- most of the time, money is better than a reroll
hallu- doesn't provide much value under interest cap

[visual turtle]

Yay I got 11,664 mult

[short patio]

Golden ticket slander omg

[knotty zodiac]

if you make use of it, your run was probably already on a winning trajectory

[shell dagger]

imo golden ticket is pretty underrated

the effective hand size increase is very nice

[viral raft]

nah, alot of people considered it very cool

is nice to play it

is a win/win joker

[knotty zodiac]

golden ticket value improves a lot once you're past the early phase, but that early phase is so critical

[terse vale]

“money is better than a reroll” lad the reroll IS money if taken early it effectively allows you to see twice the amount of stuff you normally would in shops and that can matter a lot

and that one time thing with egg is huuuuge

[visual turtle]

welp that's all

[shell dagger]

yeah chaos is way too low

[knotty zodiac]

reroll is not money. it does not give interest, it does not buy arcana packs, it does not buy jokers

[terse vale]

well

it kinda does buy jokers

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt

[frank grove]

no its just a discount

[waxen quartz]

that said, chaos is always take if you have room

[visual turtle]

It gives you jokers

[frank grove]

its a good discount but it isnt giving you money

[viral raft]

Astronomer IS NOT D TIER >:(

[cloud sinew]

it offers you more jokers

[knotty zodiac]

well ya i take seance if there's room

[terse vale]

yea it does I guess buy wasn’t the right word but it still gives you jokers and shows them to you which can be great

[visual turtle]

yellow deck purple steak

[terse vale]

no you do not 👀

[safe moat]

Steak

[cloud sinew]

yes

[frank grove]

it doesnt give you jokers it isnt riff raff

[knotty zodiac]

where would u put chaos

[visual turtle]

I don't...
i don't want that

[shell dagger]

B

[frank grove]

pack

[terse vale]

why would I buy something that 99.9% of the time wastes my money

[shell dagger]

in that list

[frank grove]

from pack

[terse vale]

yea and i’d sell it immediately after cus thats like one of the only things its good for

[visual turtle]

I don't
i don't want that x2

[shell dagger]

chaos is the only joker in D tier that id happily take as an ante 1 eternal

[cloud sinew]

youd be missing out then

[frank grove]

bbc value, if you have a suit changer or any tarot gen its not the worst thing ever to hold for a couple rounds

[visual turtle]

also both of them are eternal
ummmmmmm
no thanks

[cloud sinew]

Twin

[bleak blaze]

Ante 1 Chaos and Flash Card happened to me once

It was great

[cloud sinew]

take crazy

[terse vale]

am I crazy for not wanting seance and thinking 3 dollars is better

[visual turtle]

That means I have to play straights

[waxen quartz]

what's the tarot/planet?

[visual turtle]

and I probably can't play straights

and I'm going to be stuck with that thing

[ancient gyro]

what

[ruby vessel]

When does xmult get better then chips on plasma deck. Tryna figure out what to copy with blue print

[cloud sinew]

you can get $3 during the round instead of missing the opportunity for a spectral

[terse vale]

1 dollar of interest if its on my first pack is prolly better

[visual turtle]

reserved parking isn't better because boooooo face cards

[shell dagger]

show setup

[waxen quartz]

when number bigger. need 900 x 4 hands for boss on gold stake

[ruby vessel]

Some very poor decisions were madee on my part

[terse vale]

wdym

[stuck gate]

new player not sure of what to get rid of for the blueprint

[viral raft]

Idol

[novel nymph]

guys which joker i destroy for vagabond? or no one?

[shell dagger]

blueprint copying vampire is essentially a minimum of ~120 “chips”

assuming 0 base mult

[viral raft]

like Idol is a Does nothing joker

[cloud sinew]

instead of selling it right away, sell it just before the end of the next round. you ciuld get a strush, but if not you just sell seance anyway

[serene forge]

awaaaaaa

[fiery nymph]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/380389451219730451/1347990365076066336/undert_1.mov?ex=680bcbdb&is=680a7a5b&hm=2ba8248dee413ff35788fca5823d0b6a47cc8815a29584a40f2b79d7d89d0a9a&

[novel nymph]

what u think?

[fiery nymph]

@humble gulch

[knotty zodiac]

interest over seance of course

[ruby vessel]

Oh ok. Can u explain how people convert mult to chips. I’ve seen people say 1 mult equals 7.5 chips but I don’t really get how u figure that out

[serene forge]

boss

[cloud sinew]

why not both

[viral raft]

maybe chad?

[frank grove]

LMAO

[serene forge]

gg

[visual turtle]

Mmmm I looooove not having a straight to play

[cloud sinew]

YOU HAVE 2 DISCARDS

[visual turtle]

yeah I know

[shell dagger]

don’t think of it like that, it’s setup dependent. what im doing here is seeing that you have at least 20 flat mult, so the 3.1x from vampire brings that to about 60 (+40) and a blueprint on vampire brings that to about 180 (+120)

[cloud sinew]

so then why complain about not drawing one

[waxen quartz]

play the 2 pair, draw the lower straight

[shell dagger]

while square is just +144

[cloud sinew]

No

[visual turtle]

oh my goodness I got

[viral raft]

2 discards remain

[visual turtle]

1 straight

[terse vale]

dis is like the only thing that’ll be added to my muscle memory

[ancient gyro]

wouldn't it be 2 dollars if rental cancels out the initial purchase for a 1 round profit

[ruby mulch]

what is the actual worst card like number since theres like cloud 9 etc is there any that literally have no joker benefits if that makes sense

[terse vale]

and yea

[visual turtle]

7

[shell dagger]

7 in terms of joker synergies

but 7s are one of the best for straights

[waxen quartz]

straight wins on it's own? if the next shop isn't amazing think this is a hold r situation. eternal straight joker isn't worth

[viral raft]

7 (literally only Odd works with that rank)

[cloud sinew]

what

[shell dagger]

and joker rank synergies aren’t that important

[knotty zodiac]

ok i concede that i probably wouldnt sell chaos for interest
but i wouldnt buy chaos not at interest cap

[ancient gyro]

are spectrals not 2 dollars in sell value

[cloud sinew]

You dont know what youre talk8ng about

[frank grove]

what

[cloud sinew]

Im confusef why you brought up rentals

[terse vale]

chaos at not interest cap is fine imo

[viral raft]

White stake mindset

[humble gulch]

Hii

[fringe nebula]

1 eternal joker to carry the earlygame is normal

[ruby vessel]

Oh ok that makes sense. Thanks :>

[visual turtle]

I loooooove conflicting jokers(/src)

[fiery nymph]

did you like the video

[ancient gyro]

i pinged the wrong comment

[knotty zodiac]

id have to be pretty desperate for scoring

[humble gulch]

Where's the quality

[waxen quartz]

next round (didn't mean to ping)

[fiery nymph]

it went into the 300 hours

[cloud sinew]

Im saying they could sell seance mid round if they dont get a strush instead of immediately selling it

[fiery nymph]

337

[knotty zodiac]

hm nah youre right

[visual turtle]

there's nothing I'd like to useeeeee

[ancient gyro]

ok nvm the messages finally loaded

[humble gulch]

Bruh

[fiery nymph]

wait are those hours

those are minutes

[knotty zodiac]

would take chaos, wouldnt take seance

[fringe nebula]

flash

[terse vale]

which is like usually early tho 👀

[ancient gyro]

im in a casino fiddling with the roulette wheel

[visual turtle]

um
hack is like
I gotta get rid of all the non 2, 3, 4's and 5's

[shell dagger]

don’t spend below 25 if you don’t immediately need scoring

[visual turtle]

and flash is like
become poor

[frank grove]

flash is just try make as much as possible joker

[waxen quartz]

either would be ok. but better to just keep saving

[fringe nebula]

I would take flash card there

[cloud sinew]

I would not

[visual turtle]

That's ummm
2 eternals 😬

If i do take it

[shell dagger]

if you take flash card you keep it to the end anyway so it’s whatever

[knotty zodiac]

without the crazy joker maybe, but the run is kinda straightcoded rn and +mult isnt really needed

[cloud sinew]

Which is completely fine

[fringe nebula]

prob

[frank grove]

Yeah i wouldnt take flash i dont think

[cloud sinew]

it being eternal isnt why i wouldnt take it

[waxen quartz]

find chaos, flash is easy win. hack is eventually playable, just have to lean into it later

[shell dagger]

i wouldn’t have rerolled or taken the pack in the first place

[fringe nebula]

flash card is too expensive there

[cloud sinew]

ah yes, spend $5 now in hopes of getting a specific synergistic joker

[brave goblet]

6 new gold stickers

I should've sold the 8 ball for the midas mask but oh well

Blunder

Doc method OP

[stark charm]

Blue seal slop

[brave goblet]

Actual blue seal slop

[cloud sinew]

winslop

[stark charm]

500 planet level

[brave goblet]

I actually got gold on every jonker on page 8 except for bloodstone now

[knotty zodiac]

u dont love bloodstone?

[ruby vessel]

Do I try to reroll into a negative joker?

Square joker is a lot of my scoring rn

[visual turtle]

I loooooove not being able to play a straight

[brave goblet]

I don't think I've ever taken bloodstone once on this profile except for a single white stake unlock run

[ruby vessel]

Rip

[cloud sinew]

why do you need to sell anything

[brave goblet]

hands are discards too

[cloud sinew]

square doesnt require scoring

[serene forge]

there was also a parking in that pack fyi

[ruby vessel]

Verdant leaf is gonna disable all my jokers till I sell one

[cloud sinew]

No it isnt

[visual turtle]

Can't wait to lose on the higher antes 😔

[cloud sinew]

it disables playing cards

[ruby vessel]

Oh wait nvm I can’t read

Mb chat

[knotty zodiac]

i expect to be able to play 1 straight per round, 2 if im lucky, without tools. and ya it doesnt always happen before you run out of discards

[waxen quartz]

ya, but don't think tg_03 is up to farming $ from that and surviving higher stakes yet 🙂

[pallid galleon]

all jokers debuff until you sell a playing card

[serene forge]

I love Reserved Parking

[ruby vessel]

I’m glad u pointed it out before I wasted all my money lol

[serene forge]

they willingly took an eternal page 1 joker, i believe in them

[visual turtle]

I was right

[knotty zodiac]

oh your straight didnt oneshot?

[waxen quartz]

yellow deck, stake before orange? F7HQTTKP

[serene forge]

flash card is overrated

[cloud sinew]

I dont know why you spent down on the small blind shop

you had enough scoring

[serene forge]

wait what

why did you reroll with 20 dollars

[cloud sinew]

because they were silly and didnt think they could score 1200, even though most straights do that with crazy joker

[pseudo mason]

Hey not sure if this is the right channel, I'm new here but wondering if I should take anything and if so, what

[visual turtle]

just in case the straight has face cards, but in case didn't work here + this

[lost vault]

meoaw

[viral raft]

if you have good planet level: Sell Swash for blueprint
if not, sell invis instead

[cloud sinew]

i dont know what you mean

[knotty zodiac]

judgement then square?

[viral raft]

yeaaah

[stark charm]

Should I take this..

[viral raft]

or just square and full two pair

[shell dagger]

No

[cloud sinew]

No

[viral raft]

no

[ancient gyro]

they could really benefit with a few live action gs run spectating

[viral raft]

even on flush builds is bad

[pseudo mason]

I've mainly been playing high cards for tarots and flushes to win if I need to

[knotty zodiac]

when are you back from vacay

[ancient gyro]

when I go bankrupt

[visual turtle]

Trying 2 be prepared

But it didn't work

[ancient gyro]

next tuesday

[knotty zodiac]

all on 00

[viral raft]

neat, keep high planet levels and you will manage to win easily

[knotty zodiac]

have fun!

[ancient gyro]

son of a bitch

[knotty zodiac]

itll be 00 next time trust

law of large numbers

[ancient gyro]

law of zero sf

[cloud sinew]

law of suckers

never gamble

[fickle wraith]

never stop gambling

[visual turtle]

ok I have to like go, I have to
work on my g ame
before I abandon it again

[lost vault]

is that a gay grimbo

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[cosmic sun]

chai tea

[waxen quartz]

reroll killed you. there's saturn in the planet pack

[visual turtle]

oh
I was supposed to like,
Open that

[waxen quartz]

above interest cap and needing something soon it's a good bet. I didn't check the card pack. it was 3 so like 2/3 of the time there'll be a seal? maybe half

[cloud sinew]

20% per card

I would not have opened the standard there

[frank grove]

did 2 stupid rerolls with showman 😭 LMAO

[cloud sinew]

if anything i wouldve just opened the celestial and then gone to next round

[ruby mulch]

2 eternal rentals -3$ but also vagabond so value

[brittle ocean]

Can you savescum

[ancient gyro]

forbidden in casinos

[waxen quartz]

ok, checked the seed. the rare skip = order. you get 2 blue seals from the mega standard with death coming up...

[zinc willow]

Would somebody check my joker order i believe its correct

[glass creek]

It doesn't matter at all here

[frank grove]

aww i wish i had crystal ball mannn 😭

[echo sphinx]

order is correct

[ruby mulch]

eternal rental vagabond is value right

[echo sphinx]

(every order is correct)

[zinc willow]

I mean Im doomed after ante 11 no matter what

[echo sphinx]

oh my days

what a run

[ruby mulch]

when you get this first pack so you have to restart the run

[zinc willow]

Will post the seed if anyone decides they want it, just an ante on poly flush the rest is just running the shop

[ruby mulch]

who wants this awesome seed

[minor portal]

hit the road slander

[zinc willow]

*Anke

[ruby mulch]

ante 1 hit the road

NEVER getting gold on checkered

literally the only strat on checkered is bloodstone

[glass creek]

3 times 4 and 4 times 3 are the exact same for example, it's basic math

[zinc willow]

Your all gonna hate me when you see the deck

[viral raft]

When you're bad at the game so you restart run because you didn't get the "op" jokers

[ruby mulch]

bro

[minor portal]

I can see why you won't get a gold sticker.

[glass creek]

Misprint is a take here tbh

[lost vault]

its an okay take

[glass creek]

It's fine enough for early game

[viral raft]

all runs are winnable, just open your mind and try new strategies instead of hold R

is way funnier to play that way and you learn more idk

[glass creek]

Oh wait this is checkered?

You can do the first four rounds without any scoring help

[hexed tundra]

I'm currently looking for DNA. But, should I get rid of the nail and rebate for the showman? Im good for ONE ante. I unfortunately don't have overstock or anti matter:(

[ruby mulch]

notice how anaglyph is better than checkered

[hexed tundra]

Also, that blueprint is nat negative 👅

[viral raft]

Anaglyph Is NOT better than Checkered 😭

[hexed tundra]

Answer my question and I'll agree with either one

[visual turtle]

True

[viral raft]

anaglyph most of the time is a "does nothing" deck that sometimes does something

[visual turtle]

I loooove +0 mult

[hexed tundra]

Ight to hell with it in taking showman

[ruby mulch]

is eternal riff raff value

[glass creek]

Yes

[viral raft]

yep

great early game

[glass creek]

Early eternal riff raff is worth

[viral raft]

Riff raff on ante 1 is always worth taking

unless it's a eternal + rental

[glass creek]

Meh I'd take eternal and rental as well

[viral raft]

saves early antes but alot of times makes you be stuck on money

[ruby mulch]

the flint is the worst boss btw worse than plant

[ancient gyro]

eternal rental will depend more on the deck

[viral raft]

nah the worst ones are the mega blinds and Needle

[ruby mulch]

why is water up here

[viral raft]

imo Violet Vessel is the of all of themn

[echo sphinx]

cant discard

pretty bad to cant discard

[viral raft]

painful on oneshot builds

[ruby mulch]

papu im using not meta

are you proud

[viral raft]

which build?

[viral raft]

gg wp

[ruby mulch]

fibonacci anaglyph

[cosmic sun]

didn't know it was comedy hour again in game-discussion

[ruby mulch]

🥺🥺

[frank grove]

104 tarots used 😭

[ruby mulch]

i havnt done a low straight run before

[zinc willow]

I may not of gotten fae but that was a really fun playthrough

[viral raft]

i mean anaglyph doesn't matter in a deck lineup except if it's plasma but seems cool

[zinc willow]

*far

[viral raft]

try to search for hack or Xmults to make it worth long term

[cloud sinew]

oh hi CJ! long time no see

[zinc willow]

LILO!!!

What's up

[dark lava]

JokerPokerBalala

[cloud sinew]

nm, ive been balatroing it

[ruby mulch]

lost NEVER using non meta agin

🥶🥶🥶joking

[serene forge]

me when i buff the most broken shit in the game

[cloud sinew]

??? 😭 me when i force planets

this would make blue seal insane

you just use it for every hand u dont care about

[viral raft]

"my first joker idea" yeah i realice

[cloud sinew]

then only get mercuries or whatever

[pseudo mason]

Hey I think I die here but appreciate the help. I don't recall ever using Canio before so super happy with the run!

[viral raft]

i mean you already won

it's a GG

[pseudo mason]

Yeah

True

[ruby mulch]

like holy mid

but its plasma so its ok

[ancient gyro]

-10 cards

[ruby mulch]

im doing bs and its working

[serene forge]

how is this mid

[ruby mulch]

how is it not

[serene forge]

econ joker, econ joker, really good mult joker (but worse because plasma), mid mult joker

this is a good setup lmfao

[lost vault]

how tf does plamsa make this okay

[ancient gyro]

white stake nut

[ruby mulch]

because plasma is easy

[lost vault]

its worse on plasma because of the doubled score reqs

[lost vault]

if you run chips sure

its not easy with every strategy ever

[waxen quartz]

you switch to mult higher stakes (if you don't have the best chips jokers) or higher antes

[lost vault]

yea

and even then

[ancient gyro]

not all the time

or even most of the time

[lost vault]

u usually need xmult to outpace chips

[lost vault]

no shit

nothing is "all the time" in this game

number one law of balatro

exvept for blue seals

[earnest turtle]

"it's plasma so it's ok" -> literally not a single chip joker

[lost vault]

those are always good

[ancient gyro]

chips are the generally more consistent method on plasma due to the 1550 chip requirements being a smaller grand encounter

[ruby mulch]

xmult is better longterm

[lost vault]

looks inside
no xmult

[ruby mulch]

yes but xmult needs mult

theres mult jokers

[earnest turtle]

yeah but xmult jokers are hard to find, how are you supposed to find those jokers if you die ante 3?

[ruby mulch]

i should be a debator im so smart

[ancient gyro]

get a streak run going on gs I'll listen to what you have to say

[earnest turtle]

the economy is there but can't reroll the shop if you're dead buddy

[pallid ferry]

i think that’s pretty great although if it’s plasma might depend on the ante because chips are better early or something, i don’t run plasma very often though so this is probably fine

[lost vault]

go play nullsvape and ill lisyen to you

[shell dagger]

nullsvape the evil nicotine version

[lost vault]

fwick

fwuff

[ruby mulch]

chips good for beginning xmult for endgame

best of both worlds

[versed sable]

for plasma this is mid yes
-# to my knowledge anyway

[lost vault]

tuff tuff tuff sahur

[ruby mulch]

oo clocked yalls tea period🥶🥶

[pallid ferry]

what

[ancient gyro]

pivoting to ≥2 xmult jokers long term is more inconsistent than stockpiling chip sources via it's available methods (planets, scaling chips jokers, retriggers, money, etc)

[lost vault]

whatever dude paws at you

[ancient gyro]

braps on you

[lost vault]

erm

what the fluff

[pallid ferry]

best server of all time

[ruby mulch]

is this better (plasma)

[lost vault]

common game discussion vs

bs

[lost vault]

idk

what ante is it

[ruby mulch]

1

[lost vault]

yeah

[pallid ferry]

ohh yes

[hexed tundra]

I couldn't find the dnaaa

[earnest turtle]

plus what stake are you playing anyways?

[pallid ferry]

that banner is really good for early game

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 3

[serene forge]

rebate

[lost vault]

maybe

burglar (eternal)

[ruby mulch]

omg delayed gratification ante 2 with banner

foil banner too

holy chips

[lost vault]

chat what do i do in this situation

[pallid ferry]

idk.. that’s tough..

[hybrid tendon]

cry

[icy hollow]

All in

[earnest turtle]

guys is this good to beat ante 5?

[lost vault]

alrighty

[icy hollow]

Fold

[pallid ferry]

yes

totally

[hybrid tendon]

all in !

[ruby mulch]

chip run!

[hybrid tendon]

let it ride !

[pallid ferry]

got a natural negative cartomancer wow….

surely this will help me beat golden needle

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 3

[novel nymph]

guys, which order is stronger?

[echo sphinx]

kinda depends on your flush planets ngl

[pallid ferry]

Second one

[earnest turtle]

depends on the flush level

[pallid ferry]

I think

oh no wait i didn’t see the brainstorm

[lost vault]

depends in flush lvel

[novel nymph]

my flush level is level 2 now

[echo sphinx]

second

[lost vault]

2nd

[novel nymph]

ok ty

When will be the right time to place the first order? At what level (the flush)?

i'm at 2 now

[echo sphinx]

when the base flush hand reaches 15 mult

(or just find another xmult joker om)

[candid niche]

what if instead of bloodstone it was chudstone, and instead of giving x1.5 mult it gave x1.5 L takes

[earnest turtle]

yeah, but if you find an Xmult joker just get that instead of summit

even though u might lose on a little bit of scoring at first

[frank grove]

around level 7/8 i think off the top of my head

[ruby mulch]

i lost that chips only run

but

it gave me a learning moment

[novel nymph]

ok ty

[ruby mulch]

that xmult isnt everything 🥺🥺🥺

[frank grove]

but put the blueprint copying the brainstorm in the first config

since tribe -> mystic triggers -> 2 tribes is better marginally

[ancient gyro]

jupiter lvl 7, when base flush exceeds summit mult

[echo sphinx]

flush starts at 4 and scles with 2 iirc :thonk:

six seven levels

[earnest turtle]

what did u just say...?

how many levels

[echo sphinx]

14/16 mult

[novel nymph]

lol now the things changed. Is this the best order so far? ]

[ancient gyro]

.

[novel nymph]

+10 AND +18

[echo sphinx]

oh wow that's kinda om

[serene forge]

thats a the tribe not a the order

[ancient gyro]

ick

[earnest turtle]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

[echo sphinx]

do the order argi says

i tihnk.

[frank grove]

after they're at like level 10 flush now right?

not right now but later

[waxen quartz]

level 2

[echo sphinx]

tribe swash/fourfingers blueprint brainstorm

[waxen quartz]

get levels, lose swash, then it'll be easy to figure out

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[spice plume]

a little off topic, but anyone know any codes for fangamer, im trying to buy the cards for my brother bday

[echo sphinx]

gng i dont know what that is

[spice plume]

oh

[chilly hound]

how i get the xadrez balatro

[serene forge]

no

[oblique dawn]

best seed ever think me later ZNINIVY4

[earnest turtle]

isn't this worse until flush level 7 no..?

[brave fox]

Game got me chip maxing this run lol let's see how far this one goes

[spice plume]

ok

[frank grove]

yeah, thats what i said just above it

[earnest turtle]

oh I see

didn't get that

[chilly hound]

How do I get the chess deck?

[echo sphinx]

id probably unironically do that with the holoswash replacnig it

cuz i bad

[viral raft]

you mean Checkered?

[chilly hound]

oh yes

[novel nymph]

woah a 1.5 acrobatics dude

should i delete that dude

[earnest turtle]

win a game with the previous one

which should be black iirc

[frank grove]

win a black deck run iirc

[echo sphinx]

h m

wahts the flush level situation

[novel nymph]

not very good so far

[echo sphinx]

die as frick.

[earnest turtle]

omg it leveled down 😭

just remove 4 fingers

do u really need it that much

[echo sphinx]

dont do this btw

[frank grove]

could replace tribe with acro

[novel nymph]

gg?

[sweet tartan]

I deadass been stuck in blue deck blue stake for the past few days

[earnest turtle]

why? with acrobat you need to play 1 hand anyways

[echo sphinx]

i guess ye

lets go smoking them

[earnest turtle]

but even if it wasn't acrobat, some simple deck fixing removes the need for 4 fingers

[novel nymph]

or that is more OP?

[echo sphinx]

(we gonna win broke with this one)

[sweet tartan]

Furthest I got was ante 7 but then I was dumb as hell and rerolled onto a boss blind that debuffs face cards when I was running a full face card deck

You guys have any tips?

[frank grove]

do acro -> swash > blueprint -> brainstorm and then tribe for your final hand

[novel nymph]

lol 2 orders

[earnest turtle]

oh yeah no argil's one is better

[echo sphinx]

i do not have tips for your hubris in that situaton

[novel nymph]

ty

i hope i survive now lets pray

[echo sphinx]

no nid to delete om

[frank grove]

you should be good

levels and chips is focus now

[echo sphinx]

jupeter lebels

gotta gain them back

[novel nymph]

i just realized

that order is just for the final hand

so i change meanwhile

[frank grove]

yeah double copy swash for non flushes, one copy on swash one on tribe for flushes

and put acro last

right?

[echo sphinx]

id just simply swap the acorbat and tribe

[novel nymph]

me trying to analyze everything: 💀

[echo sphinx]

i hate thinking 3 different scenarios

[frank grove]

yeah, the last hand is what matters anyway

[echo sphinx]

even tho that is best

back to gool ol hoshbomb

[novel nymph]

but like, because that can i play this hand here at the first hand, or if was u guys, u hold that until the last?

[echo sphinx]

id play it methink

idek the ecoring reuiqrement

[frank grove]

its 36k i think

[echo sphinx]

thonk

ye i could vaguely see that

[novel nymph]

is 36k

[echo sphinx]

think that burns

[frank grove]

i meant more that the scoring requirement is 36k, i have no idea what that hand is

i think its like 32? 33? maybe?

[novel nymph]

HOLYYYYYYYYYYYYY

last hand is very powerful

[echo sphinx]

burnnnnnnnn

[frank grove]

nice!!

[novel nymph]

lets see this final hand now

🔥

[echo sphinx]

two flush level would be effectively x2mult before empress btw

[lost vault]

mrrrp

[novel nymph]

noooooooooo the next boss

i lost 1 dollar

every card played

[echo sphinx]

bros living the broke life

[novel nymph]

i have to play until the last hand

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

i have only 1 dollar

[frank grove]

discard try to find a flush

then just play single high cards

you'll be poor but you wont be horribly poor 😭

[novel nymph]

i have the power to make 9 and 7 mult

OH WAIT

STRAIGHT FLUSH?

[echo sphinx]

negative four dolers

MMM STRUSH

play that

[frank grove]

whats the straight flush at?

[echo sphinx]

it has more levels than flush i swear

(two)

[lost vault]

id still play 5 hands vefore playing the struh

[terse vale]

how is that only 209

[echo sphinx]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAH

[terse vale]

oh

[ancient gyro]

flush mount

[echo sphinx]

NEGATIVE FOUR DOLERS

[lost vault]

flush

[novel nymph]

what is the play now guys

[echo sphinx]

play the strsh lol

[terse vale]

chips 😭

[frank grove]

even with optimal copies its only like 30k

[lost vault]

play higj cards

[frank grove]

i would just play down to final and then do arco

[potent tree]

hack thinks it's part of the game...

[frank grove]

better than having to play two separate 5 card hands and get to acro hand as well

[small axle]

I just noticed there are no money making rare jokers

[ancient gyro]

vagabond

[frank grove]

vagabond

jinx

[small axle]

I guess technically

[potent tree]

i accidentally fire reacted that

vagabond, invis if it copies another econ jonkler

[lost vault]

burnt joker could be considered a value generator

[vague elbow]

those are secondary effects technically

[lost vault]

also blueprint and brainstorm

[vague elbow]

their primary effect creates the thing that creates the money

[small axle]

But there are no pure econ rare jokers which feels kinda weird

[vague elbow]

it's not really that weird

[lost vault]

what if they made rebate rare instead of nerfing it

👀

[small axle]

There are some in common and uncommon and even with legendary

[ancient gyro]

if we're explicitly calling out econ jokers, vagabond is the most directly indirect econ rare joker. burnt for indirect flat mult

[vague elbow]

rare jokers are supposed to feel special. theres also no scaling mult rares right

[lost vault]

legendary?

brother

[small axle]

Perko

[lost vault]

perkeo as as much an econ joker as vagabond is

[frank grove]

yeah

[lost vault]

theyre both value generators

[vague elbow]

yeah perkeos consumeable-gen same as vagabond

[small axle]

The problem with vagabond is staying under 4 dollars

[lost vault]

if you wanna count perkeo then vag counts too

[ancient gyro]

from the most unbalanced joker to the most unbalanced joker

[lost vault]

it still makes money

[ancient gyro]

not a problem

[echo owl]

Today I found out one of my closest friends plays Balatro

[ancient gyro]

econ sources are plentiful to work around

[lost vault]

vagabond + gold cards is such a fire synergy

oh wait

[vague elbow]

rocket + vagabond works quite well because you don't get the money till end of round. same goes for cloud 9 and golden joker to a lesser degree. also, gold cards

[lost vault]

vagabond MAKES gold cards

:3

[echo owl]

When I only had one gold stake and I said I didn’t like vagabond people told me I would change my mind and now I have C+ and changed my mind on so many jokers but not vagabond

[vague elbow]

and vagabond makes gold cards

[vague elbow]

you don't have to like it tbf

[novel nymph]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

ONLY -4 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[lost vault]

dont sleep on cloud 9

especially with vagabond

could 9 could go crazy with vaga

the tarotgen makes creating 9s much easier

[echo sphinx]

what the uck was this setup LMAO

[echo owl]

I don’t like how you need a good Econ joker just to get close to the amount of money you’d get normally with interest although I will say it’s very great with vampire

[echo sphinx]

HOW DID BRO LIVE

[novel nymph]

for straight flush first hand

[echo sphinx]

oh

[lost vault]

you dont need a good econ joker to make vagabond good because vagabond is a good econ joker

[vague elbow]

you don't need as much other econ because you're generating so much value, though. tarots are very useful

[frank grove]

i forgot about the tribe when i thought about it wow yeah 4x more is pretty big

[pallid ferry]

luchador saved me from the wrath of violent vessel I HATE GOLDEN NEEDLE

[echo sphinx]

well played i didnt see the hands left

[vague elbow]

never sleep on tarot gen

[lost vault]

tarot gen is goated

i stan purple seals

[pallid ferry]

absolutely

[vague elbow]

superposition and 8 ball are deserving of your love

[pallid ferry]

purple seals are my goat

[lost vault]

purple seals x vagabond

[echo owl]

I mean gold cards take a little to set up cause one in 22 chance of getting a gold card

[lost vault]

hohh

[lost vault]

vagabond makes money in other ways

[echo sphinx]

WORST JOKER SUPERPOSITION does not deserve anything

[lost vault]

lucky cards

hermit

[echo owl]

I think I don’t use tarots enough

[lost vault]

temperance

[pallid ferry]

i was about to crash out too until i saw the score was just.. barely enough..

[echo owl]

Shoot I forgot

[vague elbow]

don't sleep on tarot gen

[echo owl]

Lucky is like one in 20 though it’s a miracle if it ever hits

[echo sphinx]

i love 8ball to death

not this joker that you call "tarot gen"

[echo owl]

No 8 ball user is a friend of mine

[lost vault]

lucky is 1 in 15 thats not a miracle

its just no often

[frank grove]

my last run btw double vagabond from greedy double reroll with showman 😭

[lost vault]

its a good joker though

[echo owl]

It’s 1 in 20

[lost vault]

not amazing

[lost vault]

no, its 1 in 15

[ruby vessel]

But u also play a lot of them.

[lost vault]

go read it ingame

[echo owl]

I’ll go check right now bro

[echo sphinx]

$1.5 expected value mmmmmmmmmmm

[frank grove]

😭

[vague elbow]

i dont think 8 ball is great but like it's either you make tarots or you don't so might as well make them when you have extra space in your jokers right

[pallid ferry]

since i’ve gotten all the challenges done now should i go for c++ or naneinf or something

[echo owl]

What the fuck am I going insane

[primal eagle]

one of the most fun rounds ive had

[vague elbow]

purple seals my beloved

[lost vault]

i can count the pixels

based tho

[echo owl]

Fellow Chinese person

[ruby vessel]

This is my first time seeing someone actually get hit the road value

[frank grove]

I love purple seals, i wish blue seals werent as stupid strong as they are cause i want to be greedy and take purples over them but i cant sack runs like that 😭

[echo sphinx]

more like "hit the road looks so awful in my head because i havent tried it" seeing hit teh road being an xmjult

[primal eagle]

bye

[ruby vessel]

You’re insane you’re in pain I can tell by what your saying 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[echo sphinx]

dont worry i sack wayy too many runs over dumb crep

[vague elbow]

you don't need that many blues and purples can make blues better through deaths and hanged mans

[echo owl]

What’s that one joker called that makes a tarot when u pick blind

[ancient gyro]

exhibit a
vagabond

[vague elbow]

every seal is Good

[primal eagle]

carto

mancer

[echo owl]

Woah

[ancient gyro]

5 tarots generate money, consumable blocking exists

[lost vault]

cartomancer is good but it doesnt snowball 😔

[vague elbow]

cartomancer is the golden joker of tarot gen

[lost vault]

neither does vagabond but he doesnt need to snowball 4 tarots per round is already wild

[echo owl]

Why do people say cartomancer is better than hallucination

[echo sphinx]

true

[ruby vessel]

My 3 blueprints disagree

[ancient gyro]

not a lot of ppl say that

[echo sphinx]

ehhhhhh

[lost vault]

who says that

[echo sphinx]

i dont agree with the "people"

[lost vault]

they have the same expected value

but hallu is common

[echo owl]

I see it on lots of tier lists at least

[novel nymph]

GUYS NO

MY BOSS BLIND WILL SHUFFLE MY JOKERS

[ancient gyro]

that's your first mistake

[novel nymph]

OH NO

[echo owl]

True but like you also gotta spend money on packs and it’s not consistent

[lost vault]

balatro tier lists are gay

[vague elbow]

cartomancer has slightly higher expected value because you have to buy both packs for hallu

[echo owl]

I got c+ recently are you proud

[primal eagle]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[lost vault]

usually you should be spending money on packs anyway....

[echo owl]

I’m bi so I’m like half Balatro tier list

[frank grove]

you should be okay since you can play a flush and tell which jokers are which including acro and then move the right copies for the last round

[echo owl]

But your not gonna buy both packs every time

[lost vault]

guys im a balatro tier list ☹️

[ancient gyro]

carts two advantages over hallulu is that it's "free" and you have a larger pool of cards to place enhancements on

[proven gulch]

are you allowed to buy a negative joker above joker limit?

[vague elbow]

huh

[lost vault]

depends but sure

[proven gulch]

thx

[vague elbow]

the hallucination cards stay in your consumables its the same

[lost vault]

you can always take the tarots hallu makes into blinds

[primal eagle]

but copyable

[vague elbow]

well when i say this i moreso mean "consistent and simple option"

[ancient gyro]

hallulu doesn't limit your consumable slots to bring into next round

[echo sphinx]

hallucination is sometimes convenient cuz what if it generates a death when opening a mega arcana

[echo owl]

Im eating dry chicken rn this tastes like how I imagine superposition would

[echo owl]

Hm smart

[lost vault]

hallulu

[primal eagle]

u dont open both booster packs every single shop

[lost vault]

superpos is good

[echo sphinx]

hallulu

[lost vault]

all tarot gen good

[echo owl]

Exactly

[echo sphinx]

NO IT IS NOT

[lost vault]

superpis is the worst one

[vague elbow]

superposition is good

[echo sphinx]

RAHHHHHHH

[echo owl]

Wait no I was saying hallucination is worse I said that work

[ancient gyro]

good at being the worst consumable gen

[lost vault]

trust it is trust

[echo owl]

Don’t even lie

[lost vault]

showman sucks

[vague elbow]

even the worst tarot gen is good

[frank grove]

well seance exists but yeah

[lost vault]

i hate hsowman

[primal eagle]

superpos is ass

[lost vault]

grah

okay

[primal eagle]

useful

but ass

[echo sphinx]

i probably have a 0.4% winrate on WORST JOKER SUPERPOSITION

[primal eagle]

among other tarot gen

[vague elbow]

it's not a scoring joker

[frank grove]

in a room of tarot gen superpos is being bullied

[vague elbow]

it's tarot gen

[lost vault]

i have a 100% winrate on showman because i never take it

[ancient gyro]

tarot gen uhh

[echo sphinx]

im the guy that counts midas even after he's sold

[pallid ferry]

superpos is my least favorite tarot gen but it can be useful, i like it :D

[primal eagle]

but at least its copyable + guatanteed + enhanceable via deckfixing/4fingers/shortcut

[frank grove]

you said consumable gen in your message

[echo owl]

There could be a joker that has a 1 in 638472773 to make a tarot for every 2000 kings of clubs you play and people would say it’s good cause it’s tarot gen

[ancient gyro]

only morons say that

[echo sphinx]

bro what

[vague elbow]

perkeo is the worst consumeable gen

[lost vault]

uh no, that would not be good

[ruby vessel]

People just hate playing straights

[proven gulch]

i've taken and kept two or three negative showmen i think

[echo sphinx]

ITS NOT A STRIGHT

[lost vault]

damn

[echo sphinx]

HES SO PICKY

[echo owl]

Woke Balatro fans hate straights

[frank grove]

tbf superpos does want you to make the worst possible straights 😭

[lost vault]

i love straughts wdym

[echo sphinx]

WORST JOKER SUPERPOSITION wants 5 very specific cards

[pallid ferry]

wokelatro..

[lost vault]

10

wait no

9

[ancient gyro]

9*

[proven gulch]

one of them let me end the run with 3 ancient jokers

[potent tree]

shortcut:

[vague elbow]

ok but it's not necessary to win the game. it's extra

[echo owl]

Guys what’s the worst joker

[vague elbow]

you don't die if you don't hit the superpos you just don't get a tarot

[echo sphinx]

YOURE TELLING ME YOU NEED AN UNCOMMON TO JUSTIFY WORST JOKER SUPERPOSITION

[ancient gyro]

consumable gen cant kill you

[echo owl]

For ante 8 gold stake

[echo sphinx]

ID RATHER PLAY BLOODSTONE because it also needs an uncommon

[lost vault]

meow!

:3

[echo owl]

(Its superposition)

[pallid ferry]

too far bro too far

[vague elbow]

if superpos didnt hit oopsies you dont get a tarot. if bloodstone doesnt hit you DIE

[lost vault]

thats like saying a slur

/j

[echo sphinx]

no if superpositiondoesnt hit you die

[proven gulch]

WE hate Bloodstone

[lost vault]

i wouldnt even make you a JOKER in my LINEUP

[vague elbow]

can you explain

[echo sphinx]

i never draw the backup hand

[primal eagle]

if superpos didnt hit its a played hand issue

[lost vault]

we do

[echo owl]

If superposition doesn’t hit you die irl

[pallid ferry]

superposition is good for early game tarot gen i think, at least for me since ace king queen jack ten straights score a lot in the early game, if i am doing a straight run im also usually playing that same straight so it can be useful then too

[echo sphinx]

a k j 10 ahh

[potent tree]

so...we selling castle here right (ante 1)

[lost vault]

shivers

[ruby vessel]

Bro what’re u doing that ur entire run hinges one generating on or two tarot cards.

[primal eagle]

bloodstone not hitting is normal and expected

[lost vault]

um

why

[echo sphinx]

if youre picking it late

[pallid ferry]

i played ace queen queen jack ten and jimbo shot me in real life this is true

[potent tree]

castle has no chip value atm

[scenic mortar]

I do this in my art class, what y'all think?

[echo sphinx]

ID RATHER TAKE SHOWMAN

[proven gulch]

is castle not a free win here

[lost vault]

chips + mult better than just muly tbh

[pallid ferry]

WOAH that’s awesome!!

[lost vault]

green joker doesnt say "if you discard you die"

[potent tree]

ight judgment gave me grimbo so was just checkin

[novel nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQCYdVgHBn4

man i have NO IDEA lol

[echo owl]

How did you escape

[compact niche]

If I buy brainstorm here is it possible for me to dupe photo twice?

[vague elbow]

groker will still scale faster than it will descale

[scenic mortar]

Ty

[echo sphinx]

hate. hate cannot describe my hate for it.

[ruby vessel]

Yes

[echo owl]

Yes

[pallid ferry]

thats the cool part im dead

[primal eagle]

i agree tho, i would rather play bloodstone than superpos

but anyway superpos is stronger, despite comparing scoring joker to utility is weird to say the least

[echo sphinx]

holeh

[novel nymph]

heeeeeelp

[echo owl]

Oh ok

[vague elbow]

do you know what joker i hate? throwback.

[echo owl]

I have a question I want to ask

[lost vault]

HATE. ALLOW ME TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH IVE COME TO HATE Superposition SINCE I CAME TO LIVE.

[pallid ferry]

don’t even get me started…

[echo owl]

What’s the best non blueprint or brainstorm joker for ante 8 gold stake

[echo sphinx]

i forgot the original quote thanks for cooking chef

[lost vault]

:3

[vague elbow]

throwback is possibly my least favorite joker in all of jokers even outside of balatro. jared leto mogs

[primal eagle]

whats a solid strong joker u hate

[echo sphinx]

real

[ancient gyro]

they're not even the best overall, yorick

for gsg

[pallid ferry]

that’s hard but maybe imo it’s yorick? really really good joker

even if blue stake exists

[echo owl]

No way I was gonna say that too

[frank grove]

uhhh acro is middle and the first two are copy jokers, i would move swash to be second and see what happens on a random hand - keeping note of where acro is

[lost vault]

throwback stinky

[echo owl]

Vagabond

[compact niche]

What order do I put them in? Or should I double stuntman instead?

My high card is 95x10

[pallid ferry]

yo, rick!

love that guy

[vague elbow]

i dont even like to go places and complain i love the game i just hate throwback but in a like spiritual way, i think it's good that it exists

[echo sphinx]

canio

[ruby vessel]

Ijust put blueprint at the left end and have it copy photograph

[ancient gyro]

aj

[novel nymph]

ok acro is middle, first 2 are copy.

Wash is which one?

[frank grove]

4th

[lost vault]

it needs a buff desperately

[pallid ferry]

hey which deck would you guys say is good for getting c++

[vague elbow]

chat lets be positive. what's a weaker joker that you like

[pallid ferry]

hit the road

[echo sphinx]

h m

[lost vault]

8ball!!!

[brittle ocean]

Ghost

[echo sphinx]

8ball is weak?

[lost vault]

i also enjoy dagger hes a cutie

[echo owl]

Everyone talks about brainstorm and blueprint yuri but what about even Steven and odd Todd Yaoi

[echo sphinx]

yeah probably lmao

i also like 8ball

[lost vault]

usually its not amazing

[echo owl]

Flower pot

[vague elbow]

theyre siblings...

[echo owl]

How would you know

[lost vault]

nuh uh thunk said so

i think

they dont even have the ssme last name

[vague elbow]

i think thunk said so

[lost vault]

odd TODD even STEVEN

[pallid ferry]

yeah that makes sense, i probably gonna go with that

[echo owl]

Can I ping him and ask him

[brittle ocean]

Wouldn’t say like but I think bloodstone is underrated

[ancient gyro]

blue/yellow/ghost

[lost vault]

he probably wont answer

[ruby vessel]

@echo sphinx has made me reconsider hit the road. Next run I’m dedicating my deck to jacks in case I find it. Maybe it needs a second chance

[ancient gyro]

cant ping him anyways

[echo owl]

Mysterious

[pallid ferry]

oh yeah yellow deck is peak!!

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[vague elbow]

we need to know. ethical balatro shipping is vital

[lost vault]

plasmid deck

[brittle ocean]

Actually, anaglyph if you’re early in the c++

[vague elbow]

but don't ping probably

[brittle ocean]

Copied negative tags can give you a bunch of gold stickers

[ancient gyro]

it gets filtered through automod

[vague elbow]

plasma deck gold stake 😃

[brittle ocean]

Assuming you can beat anaglyph consistently enough

[frank grove]

big asterisk !!!

[echo owl]

Hey I like undertale too

[karmic warren]

we are so back

[echo sphinx]

negative skip always fucks me over but i cant stop going for it

[ruby vessel]

Temperance/swash value 🤤

[echo sphinx]

rental:

[pallid ferry]

im at 43/150 rn

[brittle ocean]

Anaglyph is probably better then

[vague elbow]

cant send gifs so pretend i sent the one thats like wdym by that

[novel nymph]

ok so, i just moved the swash to the second place and this happened:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlSgbMdYDjo

[echo owl]

Your status

[pallid ferry]

ah okay, thanks !

[ruby vessel]

This is the greed they speak of in the bible. Usually I just tell myself it’s not gonna be a joker I want

[novel nymph]

@frank grove i'm on with u right now because i will for sure lost this otherwise lol

[ruby vessel]

Still can’t believe they got cameos in Google Docs with their own fonts

[lament bronze]

Awakens from her eternal slumber

[frank grove]

brainstorm is first, blueprint is 3rd

[echo sphinx]

u wanna know what the real greed they speak of in the bible?

[ruby vessel]

Skipping straight to the boss blind for Double investment tag

[echo sphinx]

ace, king, queen, jack, 10 for WORST JOKER SUPERPOSITION

[vague elbow]

i still cant understand how a non scoring joker can be the worst one

[echo sphinx]

precisely

it doesnt score

[novel nymph]

brainstorm is first, , swash is the second, blueprint is 3rd, acrobatic is the four, (5) is the flush joker 2x

that?

[echo sphinx]

and it doesnt generate a tarot

unless you're lucky but like

just play bloodstone atp surely your luck can proc 2 bloodstones per hand, every hand

[frank grove]

this is currently the lineup

[novel nymph]

woah

[echo sphinx]

mmmmmmmmm

[frank grove]

move jokers to do this

[novel nymph]

ok ty so much! u saved me 😭

[frank grove]

no problem 😭

[ruby vessel]

more like "superposition looks so awful in my head because i can’t build the right straight " it’s amazing if u deck fix and it actively helped me deck fix

[potent tree]

wait i just realized...i threw away a good run by skipping vampire (i have midas currently...)

[echo sphinx]

why are we crying 😭

[echo sphinx]

show

this shit looks crazy ngl

[vague elbow]

tbf midas vampire isn't THAAT good

[echo sphinx]

oh

its abandone

OF COURSE ITS ABANDONED

[ancient gyro]

oh 💔

[echo sphinx]

THATS ITS ENTIRE NICHE

[ancient gyro]

they're both good on its own