🕹・game-discussion

[bleak bolt]

yeah i dont play the kings

[hearty tusk]

Baron takin the bus

Why are you green

[night turret]

I love it when this c*nt pops up when I don’t need him

[tranquil otter]

do you not just win with brainstorm bus and red card?

[serene forge]

world's most useful baron

[tranquil otter]

frankly what is baron even doing there

[bleak bolt]

its close

[serene forge]

it's a nice idea but doesn't work at all

baron procs before flat mult jokers

[night turret]

Oh look it’s me without the baron

[tranquil otter]

it really shouldnt be that close

[serene forge]

if you're trying to do that you need raised fist

[tranquil otter]

do you have like no levels?

[hearty tusk]

Cell baròn

[bleak bolt]

arm stole my levels

[hearty tusk]

Maron

Baron

[tranquil otter]

happens

[hearty tusk]

Gabon

Lemon

Baron Lemon

🍋

[mellow thunder]

yall fw my custom challenge?

[tranquil otter]

no

[hearty tusk]

Am scared

[mellow thunder]

damn

[severe plinth]

whatmod do I even use to do that gng?

[hearty tusk]

1000 chips

[tranquil otter]

make them non negative

[hearty tusk]

And for what

[tranquil otter]

who needs joker space when you have 1000 chips

[mellow thunder]

For all your hand size.

[tranquil otter]

just get like some mult or something

[hearty tusk]

Darn

[severe plinth]

the first thing Imagined is "Thats 2 timlines"

[mellow thunder]

Wait it’s way too easy you just need 100 mult and you win all antes 😭😭😭😭

Yeah maybe make them non-negative

[amber venture]

it aint,it's js white stake

aint that hard

[serene forge]

psychic needs to be banned

[queen dock]

Good luck getting that when all you have is one card

[severe plinth]

what does that mean, I am a bit new to balatro

[serene forge]

psychic is an instant loss

for that

[mellow thunder]

Right

[amber venture]

lowest difficulty level

[tranquil otter]

it would be so awesome

[severe plinth]

oh kk

[queen fractal]

Damm good luck

[amber venture]

imagine bro got the hanging chad

[severe plinth]

all chances are 100%-ed and it retriggers? Imagine glass cards, youre dead

[amber venture]

i would cry lwk

[tranquil otter]

frankly chad is the better hit

[queen fractal]

Just dont glass, only lucky

[severe plinth]

yup

[tranquil otter]

but yeah it would be funnier to have another oops

[queen fractal]

Yes all oops

For the bloodstonez

[amber venture]

and buy a cavendish

just for the love of the game

[queen fractal]

Max out a cacandish with oopses

[tranquil otter]

and put it in what slot bro

[severe plinth]

wait now that I think about it, thats like holy

[queen fractal]

Money money money

[amber venture]

cacandish is lwk frying me

[tranquil otter]

yes bro obviously

[queen fractal]

And a cat

[tranquil otter]

thats what im doin

[severe plinth]

cat?

[tranquil otter]

actually i have a couple glass cards just in case but i havent played any yet

[queen fractal]

Lucky cat

[tranquil otter]

car 🔥

[amber venture]

lucky cat

[severe plinth]

whats that 😭

[queen fractal]

Gains .25X on each lucky trigger

[severe plinth]

25?!

[amber venture]

it gains .25 x mult on every trigger

[severe plinth]

oh .25

[amber venture]

.25

[queen fractal]

Yea

[severe plinth]

I read that wrong mb

[queen fractal]

Still strong with 4 oopses

[tranquil otter]

tbf cat with 2 oops is basically same as cat with 4 oops

[severe plinth]

I was thinking, 25X mult is crazy

[tranquil otter]

and its exactly same with 3

[amber venture]

i remembered i once did the 2 negative oops challenge

[queen fractal]

That build you got could get 600X

[amber venture]

and won ONLY because i had glass joker

[tranquil otter]

since hitting both money and mult at the same time only counts once sadly (should be changed)

[queen fractal]

Sadge

[severe plinth]

HOLY

isnt that a 100% easy ante 8?

[queen fractal]

Record is higher i believe

[amber venture]

not even ante 8

[queen fractal]

Ante 12 maybe

[amber venture]

u could get naneinf with that

[tranquil otter]

bro finds out 25 is a big number!!!!

[queen fractal]

Depends on your scaling

[severe plinth]

no I mean, to make it to Ante 8 is 100%

[tranquil otter]

not really

[queen fractal]

??

[tranquil otter]

not feasibly at least

[queen fractal]

What you mean

[tranquil otter]

yes obviously

well more or less

[amber venture]

if you got a nat neg lucky cat and a flat mult joker,you could

[tranquil otter]

ante 8 boss wouuld be easier than ante 1 boss

[severe plinth]

like, you cant lose to Ante 8, besides having a bad joker deck

[tranquil otter]

with nothing else

[queen fractal]

Ante 8 is win. Then you got freeplay badically

[tranquil otter]

no bro

[severe plinth]

sì

[tranquil otter]

are you stupid or?

[amber venture]

my pb is like e250 somethinf

[tranquil otter]

why are we getting a flat mult joker to go naneinf

just get planet card

[amber venture]

e260

close enough

[naive frigate]

Does flush five give more than flush house

[amber venture]

yes i think

[queen fractal]

Base no?

[tranquil otter]

no cat wouuld ever make e260 turn to naneinf

[amber venture]

just go to run info

[tranquil otter]

no

[queen fractal]

Upgraded yes

[tranquil otter]

50x3<40x40

40x4*

[amber venture]

what

[queen fractal]

Flush house is more than x4

[visual turtle]

The (evil) vessel:

[amber venture]

isnt it 140 x 14

or sumn

[queen fractal]

Yea

[tranquil otter]

i dont know if base scoring is higher on flush five or flush houuse but with enough levels it will become flush house

[queen fractal]

And flush 5 is x12

[amber venture]

yeah

[tranquil otter]

i was talking about the levels bror

[queen fractal]

I think

[tranquil otter]

use your context clues

[amber venture]

flush house higher

[raven raven]

one of the easier bosses to face ngl

[pale wolf]

quiz time!!!

[tranquil otter]

stm probably

[amber venture]

im having a stroke reading this

[visual turtle]

X

[amber venture]

from where joker the is

[queen fractal]

In english pls

[tranquil otter]

yoda ahh

[visual turtle]

yeah sure Γ_Γ

[queen fractal]

Fr

[pale wolf]

cmon guess

[amber venture]

D

[pale wolf]

noooo its not multiple choice

well i guess but theres 150 options for each

[queen fractal]

A : Arrowhead?

[amber venture]

bro.

[queen fractal]

C: Bloodstone?

[queen fractal]

What else could it be dude

[visual turtle]

C is onyx???

[pale wolf]

ill reveal in a few minutes

[amber venture]

here comes the big guns ahh

[queen fractal]

What other joker has arrows

[visual turtle]

Superposition

[queen fractal]

It does?

[pale wolf]

bootstraps has an arrow up

zoop zoop

[queen fractal]

I always skip that, never run straight builds

[visual turtle]

Well not that type of arrow

but you didn't specify

[hearty tusk]

B is Bull, A is walkie talkie, C is green shit, and D is 🇹🇩

[pale wolf]

i think petroglyph has an arrow actually

[hearty tusk]

-# chad

[pale wolf]

no, spears

I wouldn't mix in a voucher though

[amber venture]

nice

[late helm]

would be funny asf...

[queen fractal]

Imagine

[robust lance]

Throw it back at terminal velocity

[pale wolf]

final call for answers

[visual turtle]

I haven't played balalalala in like

months

[amber venture]

i got a nat neg invis joker yesteday,cloned it,and i couldnt pick up neg jokers anymoee

[robust lance]

7

[visual turtle]

Idk if I am ready again

[queen fractal]

Get back to the gamble of cards and chips

[pale wolf]

answer key

[iron vigil]

oh that's what it meant

[amber venture]

well who wouldve thought

[visual turtle]

because the game is kinda
like a puzzle, except you can use anything and some puzzle pieces REALLY don't like being with each other

[azure copper]

a and d were hard

[hearty tusk]

1/4

[queen fractal]

Yoda still are? you

[visual turtle]

and you also randomly get puzzle pieces

[pale wolf]

i guess ill be forced to use ""grammar"" in the future (not)

[visual turtle]

Space Joker, Bull Joker, Mystic Summit, and Blackboard

I win

[pale wolf]

that is not the name of c

[visual turtle]

I forgot

U_U

[cosmic sun]

Mystic Summit

[pale wolf]

mystic summit, whatever thats supposed to mean

nobody questions it enough

[visual turtle]

the rocks are floating from the summit

using mystic energy

[pale wolf]

yea that classic trope

[visual turtle]

I still have to get to orange stake to get

the erratic deck

I am also half interested in replacing the games card textures

[tranquil otter]

its the guy

wow

[visual turtle]

I still am convinced that lucky cat is kinda poopy

[unreal current]

I feel like it’s a necessity

[visual turtle]

unless the seed gives you incredible favoritism

[tranquil otter]

its like x10 after 2 rounds

[unreal current]

Getting it early with s bunch of retrievers, you can get it to like 15x so easily

[tranquil otter]

i kinda wanna do it lowk

[unreal current]

I don’t think you need hand size lol

Paintbrush show up?

[visual turtle]

and without it?

[hearty tusk]

Do the funny?

[tranquil otter]

yes paintbrush no pallate

[tranquil otter]

not hard to get to like x2 or x3 with a couple magicians and maybe a chad or something

[unreal current]

Then you get it to 7-8x fairly easy anyways

[tranquil otter]

and if you dont have those things you dont pick it up

[visual turtle]

I think it's still bad if you need another joker

[tranquil otter]

you dont NEED another joker

it just helps

[unreal current]

Yeah most of this game is “don’t pick it up unless you have support for it”

[tranquil otter]

and you have chad anyways for other reasons very very often

plus its a common

plus theres like 7 other jokers

and cat is still viable without any of them becaause frankly an x1.5 or x2 or whatever is good enough

[visual turtle]

And if the lucky cards never trigger?

[unreal current]

Man hush with this “what if everything goes wrong”

[tranquil otter]

play more of them bro

[visual turtle]

That's like 50% of the game though

Or well 40 actually, maybe 30

[tranquil otter]

maybe if you have like 2 lucky cards and you see eternal rental cat its not worth it

[unreal current]

Your argument is “what if I get unlucky.” This whole game is gambling

[tranquil otter]

but if you have4 lucky cards and a cat with only one sticker shows up its probably worth getting

[unique saffron]

I just cleared ante 8 for the first time, and only because I got the joker that disables boss blind effects

[tranquil otter]

cat is worth getting very often and in those very common scenarios it is very powerful, this makes cat a powerful joker

[pale wolf]

grats

[modern mortar]

How can I get good at the game

[visual turtle]

yeah, and it's important to be prepared for almost anything

[tranquil otter]

just because like 30% of the time you dont want it doesnt mean its bad, thats true of every joker ever

[pale wolf]

play a lot and think a lot
watch balatro university on youtube and not content based around endless mode

[modern mortar]

Ok thanks

[unreal current]

Yeah, Baron is a great joker, but if you’re on abandoned deck or never see a Pluto, well you SoL

[unique saffron]

I tried to watch balatro university but felt like it assumes balatro experience

[glass creek]

I think he has beginner tutorials

[round inlet]

you need another joker for any joker in the game to be good

[pale wolf]

he has very basic beginner videos in a couple playlists and the further back you go in time, the more basic advice is explained as he plays

[paper tangle]

i hate my game

[unique saffron]

alright cheers I'll watch it tomorrow

[unreal current]

Sell DNA

[humble gulch]

Both are funny, but sly is funny good

[unique saffron]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdNGt-ihEAcHeBy6CpppXck5i6PmZ-cau yeah that seems good

[visual turtle]

But this one kinda relies on mass amounts of luck (of course) for me to think it's very helpful

[unique saffron]

@modern mortar

[humble gulch]

You're gonna die for picking up DNA

[hearty tusk]

Oh no dont worry i fucking died

-# typical

[pale wolf]

yea it is a bit long-winded but i used to listen to it on faster speed

its hard to make educational content for balatro that isnt just a commentated run bc theres so much situationality

[tranquil otter]

it might be time to say goodbye to the five oops dream

[tranquil otter]

you're overestimating how much luck

[unreal current]

Heresy

The Chad is enough, just get red seals (if not already)

[tranquil otter]

i already have red seals

my problem is that i wiill die next ante

because no points

maybe ante after that idk

[pale wolf]

poly blocked

[tranquil otter]

sock is like good and stuff

[unreal current]

Lol, but you’ll die next ante regardless, if not then the next one. Go for the memes

[tranquil otter]

im not ripping THREE ectos

[visual turtle]

Well how much luck is it?

[tranquil otter]

not that much

[hearty tusk]

Am I colorblind or does the head look a bit too purple??

[unreal current]

You have so much money, you can find the ankh

[pale wolf]

I mean if you still got five hand size after 😎

[tranquil otter]

scooti is vastly overestimating the strength of cat i think he plays white stake

[pale wolf]

no

[tranquil otter]

cat is good because with only a handful of magician or death cards it can be reasonably powerful

[hearty tusk]

I blinked a few times

Now its back to normal

Maybe thats a sign

[visual turtle]

ok, so what if the seed doesn't give you any other lucky cards, what do you do?

[hearty tusk]

Am gonna go take a walk, screw this

[tranquil otter]

use my other 4 joker slots

[unreal current]

I was exaggerating a bit, mainly because I love that cat. And HEY! I only play white stake plasma trying to get to ante 39!

[tranquil otter]

also this argument can be brought against any other joker

canio is shit because what if you dont find hanged man

etc.

[rocky barn]

do you take the red pill: take the 3rd and final invis joker and possibly die in the next blind
or do you take the blue pill: die at ante 18 due to insufficient material

[visual turtle]

What if you die later on due to other circumstances

[tranquil otter]

what if a meteor hits your house

[visual turtle]

It would probably get news coverage or something
idk
Can't prepare for that of course

[glass creek]

Take invisible, I guess

[tranquil otter]

yeah the news would show up to interview your burnt corpse bro

[visual turtle]

There might not even be a chance!
just like this what this game can do

[tranquil otter]

what good is lucky cat in that situation

[hearty tusk]

Got a better question: which fucking deck is that

[tranquil otter]

headahh

[rocky barn]

hiedelberg deck form multiplayer mod

[visual turtle]

I feel like my analogy is coming into play here

[hearty tusk]

The what deck from the what

[rocky barn]

pocket perkeo basically

[visual turtle]

what if I get the club or the goad

then I can't score

[tranquil otter]

no

actually

those bosses dont affect blackboard

[glass creek]

Blackboard will still work I believe

[tranquil otter]

well they can make wild red cards not work but thats about it

[visual turtle]

i see

[unreal current]

My first win was with blackboard, loved that joker

Don’t play with it much anymore because bloodstone

[pale wolf]

weird mod

interesting

[glass creek]

Blackboard is almost a free x3 mult with pairs

[visual turtle]

I think it's already happening

[unreal current]

Play the pair of sixes, throw the 7 in

[tranquil otter]

hey look great blackboard value here

[unreal current]

And why is your bus second in your slots?

[visual turtle]

idk

[tranquil otter]

its good for the first threee hands probably

[glass creek]

Probably for scaling

[tranquil otter]

dont wanna win too soon gotta scale the bus

[visual turtle]

unless it's one of those weird scaling arrangement things

[tranquil otter]

you put the jokers there bro

[pale wolf]

to scale it more

but you can also just turn blackboard off p much

[bleak bolt]

gg

[unreal current]

Yeah, I feel like it’s just automatic to put any xMult last

[unreal current]

o7

[tranquil otter]

thats why ur only playing white stake bro

white stake mentality

[pale wolf]

if im trying to use all 4 hands then i need to put xmult first a lot of the time lol

I need to scale the jokers i have as fast as I can

[unreal current]

I feel betrayed

[visual turtle]

ok
and what do I do if I can't make anything else if I discard?

[pale wolf]

maximum scoring potential isnt the only priority you can have

[tranquil otter]

play the 4s toss the diamonds move bus left

shouldnt score too much but should get you closer and make things easier

oh and throw in the jack too

[bleak bolt]

couldve been so so much better

[frank grove]

Free ass win 😭

[pale wolf]

holy shit

[bleak bolt]

holy hand size

[frank grove]

And this

7.5x holo with magic trick lmao

[pale wolf]

should i play green deck or someth

[bleak bolt]

rouns 22? did you just skip to the end

[visual turtle]

sooo uhhh

[bleak bolt]

wtf

[frank grove]

I skipped for investment twice to boost JJ early and because hologram was rental ante 2 small blind

[visual turtle]

ok nvm
i got passed it

[humble gulch]

I'd honestly keep my interest and skip for reroll tag if I needed mult

[frank grove]

It was green deck

No interest

[humble gulch]

Ah

Bruh

[long zodiac]

Alright, do i take cavendish in this situation for chad? (grimbo is there bc i didn't have a sticker on him and i just took it for the memes)

[tranquil otter]

just get rid of the red cards bro

also you should really save your discards for later in the round

[visual turtle]

and lose my hands???

[tranquil otter]

sell todd?

[humble gulch]

That's a free win

[long zodiac]

todd is getting me a shit ton of chips though

[tranquil otter]

you shouuld be using them anyways to scale?

[tranquil otter]

chad is scaling cat

[visual turtle]

oh yeah

[humble gulch]

1 dollar for 1 mult is an incredible deal

[tranquil otter]

and you can copy it with bp

for money as well

[long zodiac]

yeah that's true

[tranquil otter]

chad does so much

todd is just some boring chips joker

sorry todd

not useful in ante 9

hand levels should be doing everything

[modern mortar]

Huh?

[humble gulch]

Bus is honestly the best mult scaler not counting trousers

[tranquil otter]

probably yeah

[visual turtle]

so do I ummmmm hope for a credit card

[humble gulch]

Just save money

[tranquil otter]

not needed

[visual turtle]

ooookay

omg its bluepirnt

[humble gulch]

It would be so funny if I get a cola

[hollow birch]

pair level turned out kinda nice for ante 8 plasma deck

[humble gulch]

Blue might be better

[visual turtle]

other one or print

[hollow birch]

yes

[humble gulch]

The other one, but you can take blueprint I guess

[tranquil otter]

GUYS I DID THE THING

OOPS ALL OOPS

[visual turtle]

ok but why not

the negative

[hollow birch]

what

[humble gulch]

Because you didn't have money and you wanted to take an unnecesary gamble

WHY ARE YOU RENTAL

[visual turtle]

-# isn't that like 10% of this game, well at least to me

[hollow birch]

what's the highest level you guys have had a hand by ante 8 without doing any double tag skips?

this almost surely is mine

[humble gulch]

Still, it would've hurt your economy early

[tranquil otter]

take matador

[visual turtle]

I see

[tranquil otter]

and then dont frame 1 sell it

[frank grove]

I think 50 something ish

[humble gulch]

Lol

[tranquil otter]

matador is actually goated ante 1

[humble gulch]

110 or so

Pair

[tranquil otter]

its like 24-32 dollars

huge econ

[frank grove]

it can be 24-32 dollars

[hollow birch]

yeah mine was pair as well -- was the blueprint + burnt and I could only find blue seals as any seals, I ended with a brainstorm but I only got it in the big blind before the ante 8 boss

plasma deck orange so it worked kinda nice

[tranquil otter]

rip quad oops

[glass creek]

When there's a boss it actually works on, yeah

[tranquil otter]

which is i think all of them in ante 1 right

[glass creek]

Nope

[tranquil otter]

does it not work on hook?

[humble gulch]

Ante 1 burnt

[glass creek]

There's stuff like the manacle

[glass creek]

It does not

[tranquil otter]

oh right manacle

its like 80% or something oko

[humble gulch]

WHAT, REWARDED FOR TAKING RENTAL BOOTS?

[frank grove]

matador doesnt work on roughly half of the bosses

[tranquil otter]

in ante 1 it works on all but like 2

[hollow birch]

yeah I think mine was before ante 2 boss but I had a blueprint in the same shop

[tranquil otter]

i think its like 5/7 or something

[frank grove]

thats not true at all

[tranquil otter]

maybe 3

[frank grove]

wait no you're right

it is 2

[wraith slate]

who needs shortcut when this is what you draw lmao

[frank grove]

my bad 😭

[wraith slate]

w straight flush though

[tranquil otter]

no wait its 6/8

8 ante 1 bosses right?

hook manacle pillair psychic and the four suits

[frank grove]

yeah

its 6/8

[hollow birch]

the 4 suits, previous cards, -1 hand size, and uhh

[frank grove]

pillar

[tranquil otter]

ur missing psychic (must play 5)

[hollow birch]

yeah thats the one

[frank grove]

yeah

[tranquil otter]

so yeah 75% of the time matador is basically an ante 1 investment tag

[pale wolf]

the seed of all time

[humble gulch]

I don't deserve this

[tranquil otter]

on blue deck ofc

[frank grove]

tbf of the bosses matador doesnt work on in ante 1 its ones you dont want to be greedy in anyways so its pretty good

[visual turtle]

so do I like get this one too

[tranquil otter]

true

[pale wolf]

uh yea

[tranquil otter]

yeah probably

really need some econ joker that can be copied like faceless or something

[visual turtle]

I got rid of faceless

[pale wolf]

why

are all the faces gone

[visual turtle]

I'm supposed to save my discards apparently

And I only have 7 face cards left

[tranquil otter]

save your discards to discard face cards

faceless is 10-20 dollars every round and not very difficult to do

selling it was stupid

[humble gulch]

Why...

[visual turtle]

what if I never get 3 face cards in a row?

[pale wolf]

🦓

[glass creek]

What if you do though?

[visual turtle]

I mean I did get it like once, but the possibility could have happened

[pale wolf]

you already arent playing face cards so they naturally build up if you let them

[humble gulch]

This is not funny anymore

[pale wolf]

heey ya

kill bbc

🥲

[tranquil otter]

no shot

its gotta be the wily right

or whatever that guy is

[pale wolf]

wouldve been funny

[tranquil otter]

3oak chips

[pale wolf]

i mean, stickering priorities

oh banner is stickered

[visual turtle]

also I'm not getting any level up cards for pairs =[

just two pairs

but every time I get a two pair

there's like 2 heart or diamond cards

[humble gulch]

Violet Vessel didn't stand a chance

[visual turtle]

???

[humble gulch]

It's my main profile

Wait, no

Is GSG

🐑

[placid ridge]

What deck do y'all use for C++?

[humble gulch]

Ghost

[placid ridge]

Interesting

[calm elk]

w joker

[placid ridge]

I've been doing Anaglyph to have some fun negative skip things, but my strategy definitely isn't optimal

[placid ridge]

I'll give it a shot

[tall fern]

guys ive just realised why does fortune teller not say currently +0 mult like all the other scaling jokers do

[humble gulch]

Couldn't you give me +mult?

[visual turtle]

4 are left

[placid ridge]

Have you used a tarot card yet?

[visual turtle]

the face cards

the diamond population is dying too

[tall fern]

not what i meant

it doesnt say the word "mult" after the 0, like all the others do

[placid ridge]

It says "used this run", so it includes tarot cards used prior to picking it up. Just a little buff.

[tall fern]

like so

[placid ridge]

oh

[tall fern]

its literally the only one

[humble gulch]

This is not funny

[placid ridge]

yeah, I was just looking through... Really weird. Guess that might get fixed at some point.

[tall fern]

fr

[visual turtle]

how am I supposed to
score 220????

[tall fern]

probably with your cards

[humble gulch]

You have to score 400,000 by default on gold stake, it's not hard

[visual turtle]

yeah
cards

[tall fern]

you can make five of a kind thats something

[humble gulch]

Lol

[visual turtle]

but that'll never happen without me having 0 discards

[tall fern]

why do you have 0 discards?

[visual turtle]

because—presumably—I spent them all trying to get a 5 of a kind

[tall fern]

oh

rekt

[celest olive]

yay i won on green stake :3

[round swift]

That's why black deck is not the hardest
Good run, it's a shame i died

Without it, i wouldnt have gotten this far into the run

I wouldnt have been able to hold off on setting up Baron and using Photochad to carry my score while i was trying to do deck fixing if i wasnt playing with black deck

[round swift]

Congratss!!

[visual turtle]

.

[pale wolf]

yet another day where psychic doesnt mess with high card run

[glass creek]

Now go for black deck gold stake

[visual turtle]

nvm
i made it

[humble gulch]

This was a really weird run, I hope I never get to do it again

[visual turtle]

Can't wait for the wall because I can't level up fast enough

[humble gulch]

❤️‍🩹

[round swift]

I will

[visual turtle]

nvm is amber acorn

Should be irrelevant

[dark lava]

JokerPokerBalala

[celest olive]

tysm

[humble gulch]

Free win

[visual turtle]

nooo gros michel died

what does one do

How do I even score 400K????

[celest olive]

what do i sell for cavendish

[placid ridge]

supernova

[celest olive]

really?

oh its +mult ig

[knotty zodiac]

pls dont crop out the context

u going for endless?

[celest olive]

yeah

[visual turtle]

welp I have to hope

[placid ridge]

yes, it adds on a bit of mult, but it only does so after photograph has gotten your mult, so it does relatively little.

[visual turtle]

even though im probably going to lose

[placid ridge]

In my opinion

[visual turtle]

#beingnegative

🥰

[knotty zodiac]

supernova or square, depends on your planet level / hands played

[placid ridge]

Square has quite a few chips, so I would keep that.

but potentially, you might be relying on supernova for survival somehow.

[visual turtle]

How come the back of brainstorm isn't like

[celest olive]

is this the best order?

[visual turtle]

square

On one of the corners

[glass creek]

The only thing that matters here is blueprint copying photograph, so yes

[placid ridge]

yeah, because photograph triggers during card triggering, the only order that matters here is Raised Fist relative to Cavendish. So as long as those are + Mult on the left and x Mult on the right, you're good.

[glass creek]

Not even that matters

[visual turtle]

Yay time to off myself!!!

🥰

[placid ridge]

oh yeah, I should acknowledge that you definitely want Blueprint copying the right thing lmao.

I comepletely ignored that

[pale wolf]

idk if i want to sticker astroboner or obelisk

[visual turtle]

Can't wait for the next 900 runs to not be as straightforward as this one

[night moat]

could someone please help me on #🕹・run-discussion Thanks so much :D

[knotty zodiac]

astro is less clutch
obelisk is rarer

ig obby?

[knotty zodiac]

youll get faster response here

[ruby vessel]

Joining this discord has made me realize I’ve been arranging a lot of my jokers wrong lol

[night moat]

ik, just was to lazy to copy it all haha

[pale wolf]

i think ill rather sticker obelisk when i actually use it I think

[visual turtle]

.

[glass creek]

Forward it :p

[ruby vessel]

Yah I feel like obelisk is good enough that it’ll come up on its own eventually

[glass creek]

No

Family doesn't really help here

You mainly just want more on score effects

[visual turtle]

Yaaaay

I was right probably

[glass creek]

And retriggers

[night moat]

yeah that's what i thought but wanted to make sure, Thank you :)

[knotty zodiac]

is bloodstone proccing for more than fam?

[dusky barn]

Hey guys, a casual player here. looking for a little input as to what I should do. taken a break for the night but will post the seed tomorrow TY legends

[visual turtle]

casual

0_0

[glass creek]

I think it should with the retriggers but after all it's bloodstone sooo...

[night moat]

long term i think so cause of the retriggers

[night moat]

yep, pretty unreliable

[visual turtle]

Hope I don't have to play face cards

[glass creek]

I think it's worth keeping for now

[visual turtle]

Because what if I get photochad then the plant comes

And I have nothing to score with

[glass creek]

Try to save some numbered glass cards

[slim swift]

it's beautiful, chat 🥹

[ruby vessel]

But what if u get luchador

[visual turtle]

What if I don't get any

I remember runs where I never got any glass cards despite needing them

[ruby vessel]

Also there’s a voucher that lets u reroll the boss blind

[visual turtle]

oh yeah that exists

[glass creek]

At least try :p

[visual turtle]

and probably lose again but sure

[scarlet girder]

how does this even happen

[glass creek]

Or you could try to set up an alternative method of scoring

[ruby vessel]

Besides there’s still a decent chance u dodge the plant

[random terrace]

I got trib after this

[random terrace]

Seeded or something idk

[lethal arrow]

israel run

[ruby vessel]

The builds make themselves

[night moat]

It's optimal to go for photchad now, worst case scenario you lose, best case scenario you win big :D

[random terrace]

I lost in ante 6 big blind

[ruby vessel]

Ah damn sorry to hear that

[humble gulch]

Free win

[ruby vessel]

Love to see it

[ebon condor]

soul is higher than like half of spectrals for me lol

[humble gulch]

LMAO

[ebon condor]

its nearly higher than star too lmao

[ruby vessel]

Burnt joker fs right?

[visual turtle]

oh look baron!

[humble gulch]

fs?

[pale wolf]

again and again and again and again and

[visual turtle]

Do i get both?

[ruby vessel]

For sure.

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[humble gulch]

I love 🗣️

[pale wolf]

never thought about how this is the only way to see ur highest hand that run

until death or win

[fiery nymph]

i love you

[humble gulch]

🐑

Hi, Swiss

[visual turtle]

I have not gotten any cards

To make face cards

[fiery nymph]

🚒

[visual turtle]

it's happening again

[fiery nymph]

im starting a new hardest @humble gulch

its called

reverence!!!

[humble gulch]

Forgot which level it is

:3

[visual turtle]

where I cannot get the required stuff for what I am given

[slim swift]

oh my god, chat, look

a justice

[visual turtle]

I was looking at the tower but

cool

[serene forge]

if you lose to plant with 5 chads you deserve to lose ngl

[serene forge]

sell blueprint get judgment to get negative blueprint

[iron vigil]

Legit, one glass card and you'll be more than fine 😭

[ruby vessel]

People have the audacity to slander chicot when the plant exists

[visual turtle]

We should slander canio

[humble gulch]

I'm going for Congregation but I'm too lazy

[fiery nymph]

thats a fat jump

[visual turtle]

I loooove having to hope the game gives me face cards and the ability to destroy them

🥰

[humble gulch]

It's the gameplay I'm best at so

[ruby vessel]

Ur thinking of canio I think

[fiery nymph]

fair

[visual turtle]

oh

[raven raven]

canio is fire

yorick sucks

[ruby vessel]

Triboulet makes each king and queen give x2 mult when triggered

[humble gulch]

Yorick is fire, Trib is trash

[visual turtle]

I love when I get two jokers that need face cards and I don't have any good opportunities to get face cards

[raven raven]

whats this trib agenda

[ruby vessel]

Isn’t that the one where u get x1 mult for every 23 cards u discard. I feel like it’s pretty good if u get it early or get a joker that helps u discard more

[humble gulch]

Anything but Trib

[visual turtle]

like ummm 8 dollars for a mega pack with a jack???

[raven raven]

yea but canio is quicker to scale tbh

[humble gulch]

It's the best legendary

On gold stake too

With only 2 discards

[visual turtle]

What if you use blackboard

and can't discard

or something idk

[humble gulch]

Doesn't matter, Yorick will likely outscale and you can play blackboard with almost anything, what do you mean

[raven raven]

TRIB

[visual turtle]

haven't encountered that possibility

[raven raven]

IS THE BEST LEGENDARY

[dark lava]

JokerPokerBalala

[humble gulch]

Least consistent one

Gets hard countered

[visual turtle]

When canio is right there

[raven raven]

best scoring

[ruby vessel]

But then u have to destroy ur face cards

[raven raven]

destroying face cards isnt bad

[humble gulch]

Baron also has a lot of scoring and is trash, what's your point ❤️‍🩹

[visual turtle]

And if you can't destroy your face cards?

[raven raven]

baron isnt trash at all

[humble gulch]

Sorry but it is

[ruby vessel]

Then it doesn’t do anything

[raven raven]

u have lost ur mind

[visual turtle]

Therefore it's the worst one

[ruby vessel]

I mean u can almost always destroy enough to make it worth tho

[humble gulch]

Level dependent, it's trash on its own, you're not getting the deck fixing consistently and it's a rare

[visual turtle]

almost means theres a chance you can't

[raven raven]

every joker is "trash" on its own

[humble gulch]

No

[raven raven]

yea

[ruby vessel]

Cavendish solos

[cosmic sun]

didn't know it was balatro comedy hour

[raven raven]

on its own ? with no base mult ?

[visual turtle]

can't wait to lose

[ruby vessel]

Planet levels

[visual turtle]

omg I was right from the start

[humble gulch]

All unconditional scaling xmult it's good on its own most of the time

[raven raven]

then thats not on its own either

[humble gulch]

Scaling mult it's also good on its own

[slim swift]

negative wee came along for the ride

[raven raven]

rlly isnt

[humble gulch]

What's your highest stake

[cosmic sun]

Stop hard focusing on synergies it's dishonest when non photochad/trib synergies are just the regular scoring requirements

[raven raven]

gold

[cosmic sun]

Xmult is good on its own because it doesn't need one build

If we are just comparing retriggers to actual xmult

[visual turtle]

anyways um
seed or something

[raven raven]

ppl saying "on its own" then mentioning factors that buff it like planet lvs etc lmao

[humble gulch]

Then it's probably ragebait, so it's not worth my time

[cosmic sun]

Who cares if it's ragebait it's teaching time

[frank grove]

what

[ruby vessel]

There’s a difference between getting planet levels (smtn u should be doing anyway and is cheap/easy) and needing multiple jokers and enhanced cards to work

[humble gulch]

They don't look like they want to learn tho...

[cosmic sun]

Imma just keep repeating it for the people in the back

The reason Trib is worse is because it relies on a specific build

[frank grove]

trib is also bad because it relys on draws

[raven raven]

making baron work is the easy lmao

[visual turtle]

so I have the Family which is kinda stinky

[cosmic sun]

And if we compare it to other legendaries they just fit into more builds

[visual turtle]

because then I'd be forced to play 4 of a kinds

[cosmic sun]

🤫

[visual turtle]

and what if I can't constantly get four of a kinds?

[raven raven]

?

[cosmic sun]

Always Trib Photo and Baron with you mfs

[visual turtle]

because the game won't let me
deckfix

[cosmic sun]

NEVER beating the allegations

[raven raven]

im not even calling baron the best im just saying calling it trash is delusional

[visual turtle]

the other option is business card

[frank grove]

what do you mean by trash in quotes

[cosmic sun]

It is and I can count the amount of times on one hand where I went for a Baron and it was optimal in gold stake

[humble gulch]

Real

[cosmic sun]

And of course you overrate Baron cause you probably try to force a bunch of Baron builds

The bias is crazy

[raven raven]

that there is essentially no bad jokers in this game

[humble gulch]

Showman

[ruby vessel]

U have to dedicate nearly ur entire run to making baron work and it only works for 1 or 2 builds. Whereas most xmult jokers work with everything and have little to no prior set up

[frank grove]

what are you thoughts on showman or idol

[humble gulch]

Showman it's only good on braindead endless runs

❤️‍🩹

[raven raven]

how is me not calling baron trash overrating it

[raven raven]

they arent bad either

[slim swift]

g friggin g

[humble gulch]

I didn't even needed showman for this

[raven raven]

so like with every other joker there scenarios that work and scenarios dont i dont see that makes it trash

[frank grove]

In just ante 8 runs (which is where the entire design is focused) whats the use of showman?

[cosmic sun]

How else would you not be biased towards Baron, if you talk about Baron like that imma think you just pick it up because you see a shiny thing

[ruby vessel]

There’s a difference between 1/2 scenarios that work vs 5+ scenarios that work. It’s not a versatile joker

[raven raven]

it literally purely depends on the seed

[cosmic sun]

Also it is dishonest as hell to say there are no bad jokers, it's more like there are many good jokers.

[raven raven]

a joker doesnt need to be "versatile" to be good, weird thing to point out

[frank grove]

Generally most balance / "is joker good" talk here is based off its use in gold stake ante 8 runs

[cosmic sun]

Oh but you wanna defend the most one trick builds in this game

[visual turtle]

I'm NOT doing gold stake

how do you even use the jokers that force you to play 1 hand

[raven raven]

im not

[visual turtle]

I can tell it's like if the seed doesn't give you 300 specific things, you should give up

[cosmic sun]

Many jokers are just naturally versatile sorry, they don't need you to make a bunch of kings that you may or may not bottom deck.

[raven raven]

this just sounds like a skill issue

[visual turtle]

Skill issue and almost everything is random

[cosmic sun]

Go get a gold winstreak with Baron

[brave goblet]

someone remind me, what happens if you immolate and then hang all the cards while you're in a pack

[cosmic sun]

I'm waiting.

[raven raven]

random and balatro in the same convo

[ruby vessel]

We’re just gonna have to agree to disagree then. I feel like if a joker only works in one hyper specific use case it’s not a good joker

[humble gulch]

You ran out of cards

[visual turtle]

ok seed based 0_0

[humble gulch]

And that's it

[brave goblet]

yeah but does it softlock

[cosmic sun]

Fake ahh "everything is good" defenders

[humble gulch]

Nope

[raven raven]

forcing baron runs would be going against my point

[humble gulch]

Just skip

[raven raven]

alr

[brave goblet]

nice

[visual turtle]

That's why lucky cat is kinda meh

And canio too

[frank grove]

what

[cosmic sun]

And you would be right because people aren't thinking of "ah but the potential of Baron" when playing Gold Stake

[visual turtle]

like it only works if you can get lucky cards and if the seed wants trigger the effects

[raven raven]

just get dice and then u dont have to worry abt luck

[visual turtle]

And if you don't get it?

[raven raven]

then dont get it

[cosmic sun]

I've said this before but Baron is lucky as hell there are somehow worse jokers

Shi is rarely ever needed

[ruby vessel]

I disagree here bc u don’t need to destroy an absurd amount of cards to get value off canio. Literally just two hanged men and ur good. Or if u play glass face cards u can wait till they break.

[visual turtle]

and again, if you can't get either to happen?

[frank grove]

yeah canio and lucky cat are both very good jokers for scaling x mult

[cosmic sun]

Dice ain't even needed for cat most the time

You could also just make a bunch of luckies

[ruby vessel]

Do u just ignore the arcana packs

[cosmic sun]

Or obviously chad which is the less braindead use of chad

[visual turtle]

No, but there's probably a possibility that it won't appear

[frank grove]

yeah open arcana packs, open standard packs, roll when you have money etc etc there are so many ways to get tarots

[raven raven]

never gone a run without seeing a hanged man before

[humble gulch]

That can be applicable with every joker, what's your point

[serene forge]

not being able to kill cards with canio is legitimate skill issue

[ruby vessel]

It’s significantly more likely that ull be able to then that u wont it’s a ridiculous argument

[serene forge]

there are so many ways to get hangman

[frank grove]

same with the "canio bad on abandoned" group 😭

[serene forge]

and then if youre lucky you can find trading card or something which is even easier

[ruby vessel]

Paradolia my savior

[cosmic sun]

"Green joker is bad with rebate"

🥀

[glass creek]

"Balatro"

[serene forge]

it's funny how it's often the same people

[fiery nymph]

[serene forge]

why are you mad you got canio on abandoned you weren't gonna be able to use it anyway smh my head

[ruby vessel]

@frank grove does paradolia not count towards canio?

[serene forge]

not parei

you need

1 strength card

in addition to 1 hangman that you usually need

lol

it's not difficult

[frank grove]

it does, but you dont need parei for canio to be good on abandoned

[ruby vessel]

Oh ok I see what u mean

[frank grove]

yeah quite a lot of people go into abandoned thinking that face cards are impossible to find/make

[visual turtle]

Well not even Steven

for example

[ruby vessel]

I just like paradolia for Midas 😍

[cosmic sun]

Balatro players just be making up arbitrary rules for themselves

[ruby vessel]

Canio simply vindicates my greed

[glass creek]

What if you don't draw any even cards?

[serene forge]

that is a pattern i notice in game communities even outside of balatro

[cosmic sun]

The noticer

[serene forge]

people in terraria community get furious if you even dare to suggest making melee weapons outside of melee setups

[visual turtle]

Honestly what you do next depends

[serene forge]

things like that

[wanton sage]

I need help

[cosmic sun]

I MEAN DO THEY NOT KNOW MELEE IS OP

[ruby vessel]

Back in the day when summoners saw u using an actual weapon instead of flying around doing nothing

[cosmic sun]

I think anyone who has done a run post melee update should know

[serene forge]

especially when shit like night's edge is like, basically free

[cosmic sun]

Gah dayum

[serene forge]

and is a legitimate excellent weapon for mobbing if nothing else

[wanton sage]

Que mod más raro

Pero esta guapo

[lone yacht]

tarot de jojos

y celestial funk

[raven raven]

night edge is recommended on the wiki tho

[wanton sage]

No me la he visto

[wanton sage]

I need help with this

[novel rain]

Chat, I think this might be it.

[ruby vessel]

Ngl I was a beenade/molotov cocktail person when it came to wall of flesh

[serene forge]

ive never used beenades lol i hate grinding them

molotovs are nice but i always forget to make them

[wanton sage]

Sell your Blue print for one more x

[novel rain]

Discarded down for Steel

[glass creek]

You 100% win here yeah

[novel rain]

Ooh that's smart

That doesn't make it pick another Joker, right?

[glass creek]

Correct

[ruby vessel]

It is a hassle I can’t lie. Ngl idk where the melee slander comes from I feel like ranger is the most boosted class in terraria. I feel like once u get to master mode defense is kind of meaningless

[novel rain]

Finally...

[serene forge]

no no no no

defense is very very op

[novel rain]

Only two more challenge decks to go

[serene forge]

like very op

[visual turtle]

There's no hope

[serene forge]

but ranger also literally never has a weakpoint ever

it's consistently strong at every part of the game

[wanton sage]

How on White steak on crimson heart you only have 1 hand

[serene forge]

post seed

[glass creek]

Golden needle challenge caps hands to 1

[wanton sage]

Oooo

[visual turtle]

calling that my analogy will be right again once i post the seed

[serene forge]

what analogy

[ruby vessel]

Deadass? Admittedly I didn’t spend too much time in master mode (mage into summoner playthrough) and I just didn’t feel like I was surviving much more with raw defense. Could just be skill issue tho I’m more of a builder

[ruby vessel]

Speaking of that. Have u seen the staff overhaul their doing for the gem staffs im lowkey hype

[visual turtle]

And the solution is the puzzle piece I didn't pick up because I was somehow supposed to know

[wanton sage]

I really need someone to tell me if its better to take burglar and play serpent or look for some copy jokers

[buoyant stratus]

Just died to bloodstone in a way I didn't know was possible

[ruby vessel]

Like it didn’t hit much?

[cosmic sun]

I'm not really tapped into Terraria I just go full menacing most of the time

[buoyant stratus]

No

That's the normal way

[glass creek]

You can build up your gamesense by learning from past mistakes

[frank grove]

im confused by 3 dollars ante 2 round 5 on yellow deck, did you just spend down early?

[serene forge]

there's a video on youtube that demonstrates how powerful defense is, it's from 1.4.4 but nothing significant changed about it through the update

it's called the comprehensive guide to defense

[buoyant stratus]

I mistook it for ancient joker and played the wrong flush

[ruby vessel]

I used to go menacing but I saw a video abt how grit chance is better so I’m gonna give it a try next playthrough

[cosmic sun]

I heard melee speed got better but I'm not sure if it was just a youtuber talking out their ass

On stuff like Terra blade ie.

[ruby vessel]

Interesting I’ll be sure to check it out

[shell dagger]

warding on top

[visual turtle]

Yeah leveling up and using strength to replace the face cards

[serene forge]

it is quite long but basically because of how the math works for defense it becomes stronger the more of it you have and even on master if you have good defense most bosses will barely scratch you

[visual turtle]

since I had ride the bus

[ruby vessel]

No it definitely does but it’s like the baron of terraria builds

[buoyant stratus]

But idgaf
Finally done with black deck blue stake

[cosmic sun]

Oh okay I get it now

[frank grove]

so you accidently played a face card at some point?

[unborn cliff]

"math"

what is wrong with you

[cosmic sun]

There was this one terraria youtuber I lowkey got bad vibes from

[desert tinsel]

this setup wont naneinf if thats what you're looking for

[cosmic sun]

They were making clickbait buildcraft videos

[brave goblet]

Savescummed the exact combination so the empress + lucky would carry me

[visual turtle]

Yeah unfortunately u_u

[buoyant stratus]

Which means I get to move to purple

[shell dagger]

ah that might’ve been me sorry

[frank grove]

so then how does that prove your analogy? what

[visual turtle]

gotta post the seed

[cosmic sun]

Actually I wonder if warding players still use Brain or if they're still Worm Scarf gang

[serene forge]

there are some attacks that do hit hard but they are relatively uncommon and the heaviest attacks tend to be the easiest ones to dodge (think about destroyer head)

[visual turtle]

42L8UUEN

[cosmic sun]

BRAIN GANG

[unborn cliff]

@serene forge happy late birthday

[cosmic sun]

I LOVE BRAIN and I LOVE MASTER NINJA GEAR GRAHHH

[serene forge]

i like both but if i had to pick i pick brain i think

[serene forge]

ty

[unborn cliff]

what video game are we discussing

[ruby vessel]

I’m extremely against “optimal builds” bc they usually don’t factor other stuff like mobility or the utility of armor set bonuses

[glass creek]

Balatro 2

[unborn cliff]

ohhh ok

[serene forge]

i haven't

but that sounds interesting

i hate how gem staves are now

[serene forge]

sockrteez

[cosmic sun]

I need to do a mage playthrough on the current update

[serene forge]

it wasn't directly made better but terra blade was massively buffed in 1.4.4 and that's one of the best weapons to have melee speed for

so yea

[ruby vessel]

To summarize, each gem stone gets a unique weapon effect so that there’s an actual difference besides damage and they have more varied use cases incentivizing u to craft them instead of skipping to diamond. Chippy has a video on it I’m pretty sure. Also I saw someone else say it so happy late birthday

[fervent haven]

U need ectoplasm or u die

[serene forge]

most weapons don't even get dps bonuses from having melee speed which is kind of cringe

[fervent haven]

U wanna look for another copying card tho

[serene forge]

oh sweet

and thank you

[cosmic sun]

Are the returns from menacing actually too small?

[serene forge]

yes

[cosmic sun]

ahhh

[serene forge]

but

if you like menacing nobody will tell you otherwise

it just pales in comparison to stacking warding from a tactical standpoint

[buoyant stratus]

Damn
Ante 2 overstock+

[ruby vessel]

It’s kind of like +mult imo. A good jumping off point but u should pivot when u get the chance

[terse vale]

im dice-ing my millions 🤤 🤤

[visual turtle]

yaay im gonna lose

[ruby vessel]

What’s ur dagger/supernova at

U got a chance

[fervent haven]

Spam 2 pair, try to find the tarots and jokers to help u win

[visual turtle]

I love being poor

My fault I know

[pale wolf]

yeller deck

[ruby vessel]

Yellow deck? I just call it deck. Just a glimpse into how poor I’ve become

[visual turtle]

Nvm i died

[ivory ginkgo]

what is this synergy

[visual turtle]

Every other card was eternal and supernova was the best option + dagger

well not ever joker

[ivory ginkgo]

what jokers did you see

[visual turtle]

there was the one that gives you chips for playing a flush

but idk

Playing flushes

In a deck like this

consistently

[ruby vessel]

It’s not as bad as ud think

Esp considering u only need 1 or 2 per blind if u play it right

[buoyant stratus]

first deck for all purple stake done

[ruby vessel]

Good job

[buoyant stratus]

which one next?

[visual turtle]

Should I try?

the other joker is ramen

[ruby vessel]

No I’d save money

Ride the bus is enough

[shell dagger]

I’d take the buffoon pack