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it isn't designed to be an actual cat
whiskers
ah
oh wait
also bull??? how does bull possibly have facial hair
why does score catch on fire around all those paper cards, thats a serious fire hazard
i actually donāt know
again, hair on face
this is how it went
these are a few of my favorite things
the fur i guess
or hair?
if a face has hairs its facial hair
where
oh nvm lilo does
where is the hair
evil fucking bull
what do you think the dark part is
its all over the face
zebra has 50tb of cold storage with monthly backups
the bull
OHHHHHH
LOOLLLLL
YEAH zebra is right
but is that āfacialā hair
i donāt know
bulls arent fleshy, thats the nose color
i feel like when you say facial hair youāre thinking of like mustaches and goatees and shit
does bull have a face
not like⦠hair and fur lining a whole animalās body including the face
yeah i think so
"Lucky Cat"s arent furry either
I FEEL SOO GOOD RN
isnt that technically a face
its a representation of a cat
but itās not real hair
it's an object
itās prob made of glass
just bought brainstorm (seed btw)
how lucky cat look like
a representation of an object that looks like a cat
all lucky cats are usually made of like⦠some kind of fragile material that i canāt name rn
š i am right
clay i think
no what
pottery thing
no
"im right because i said so"
magician dust
YEA pottery thing
we are dooned
dooned
dooned
dooned
dont even know the words for porcelain or china
even tho most lucky cats ive seen are plastic
plastic is such a taboo word now lmao
no itās not made of plastic usually
I'm very confused right now
but youre still arguing that they have facial hair...
okay okay when yall go into a chinese restaurant and see a lucky cat
that thing is def made of
NOT real hair
so
yeah it represents facial hair, just like the Jokers aren't real people
all the marketing ppl: we cant call it plastic
resin
abs
recycled fishing nets
they are representations of fictional people, but they are still meant to be people
yeah but⦠if you touch showmanās mustache itāll feel like hair..but if you touch lucky catās hair youāll feel COLD
It's a video game representation of a card representation of a fictional character
this run was screaming for obelisk
i am safe in saying lucky cat has as much facial hair as vagabond
if localthunk saw this convo heād delete both jokers immediately and replace them with grass jokers
no you arent
i am actually
we on some bullshit rn š
vagabond doesnt have any hair because its a card and further than that its just a drawing
i know LOOLLL
its a representation of a drawing
no one etched the vagabond onto my oled screen
theres nothing saying thats not what cats look like in balatro universe, too
i lowkey gotta grab popcorn while watching this, hopefully it isnāt gone in 5 rounds
you said that 5 jokers have facial hair, to the question of [How many Jokers have facial hair?].
youve contradicted yourself by saying both of those
and since i obviously dont disagree with my own thoughts im using it as an example of how the logic doesn't track
does the catbus from my neighbor totoro (1988) have facial hair?
if lucky cat doesnt have hair no joker has hair
not true
yes true
who
uh
Throwback into Loyalty on Ante 8, SURELY THIS WINS
it looks like hes buttery smooth
if the question was phrased as "which jokers were designed with the intention of having facial hair" then the answer would be 3
look how hairy that thing is
catbus
obviously has facial hair
is fur hair
yes
shits so hairy and soft
more accurately hair is fur
šØ
probably not accurate lol hair is more of a catch-all
Cinema
how the hell are you drawing kings in hand AND a straight
rip
wait how many kings you got
bean
okay wait
YOU GOT BEAN AND FOIR FINGERS
SO ACTUALLY
ACTUALLY
HOW MUCH DOES BEAN HAVE?
should be 3+ iirc
BRO FUCK RAISED FIST WE GOING STTAIGHT BARONS
STRAIGHT BARON TIME
ITS TIME TO COOK
wait
nvm yes sell raised fist
?
i was considering keeping it but no way
eternal
not with a bean
bean deck - 20 hand size, decreases by 1 each round
its like perishable blueprint
i have to drop 4f prob
or
acrobatā¦.
okay so thereās like
a few ways to go about this
Skips give an additional +2 hand size

you sell acrobat, you go four fingers and play several straights with kings in hand each time
or
you sell four fingers
and you prob can only play like 2 straights with kings in hand
the 3x is as good as playing 3 straights
not with baron
because now you got 1.5^2-4 per hand
Of course when I'm on a flush run this mf appears
Also. Blueprint of hopes and dreams
so you skip every other 3rd round and you just get +20 handsize forever
baron acrobat > baron 4f no?
5
show me your straight level again
21
64 x 6 x 700 issss
268k final hand
thays w 2 kings in hand
with 5 kings itāsā¦
7.59 x 3 x 64 x 700
1 million
so if you got 5 kings in hand for final hand
lol i love that the 7.59 is memorized
youāre basically there
i watch multiplayer a lot..
so you need
1 throwaway hand
and a lot of kings final hand
so yes delete four fingers
but you need 2 straights minimum
Sounds balanced to me idk /j
i dont think i can guarantee 5 kings
1 throwaway, 1 final + kings
but i think i should be able to pull 1 glass
okay but even 4 kings is good
yes and maybe steel
the goal is to play
1-2 throwaway straights that total to like 200-300k minimum
THEN
final straight, have as many kings or glass or steel possible
if you use glass early donāt be afraid to do that either
because that score will matter
just donāt flop your straights
you NEED at least 2
ideally 3
4 kings and 1 glass wins outright
it does
so actually
if you want
find perfect hand
then burn down to acrobat
and play it, and win
kings + glass straight for final hand
100% wins
lmao i only have 1 glass, cant guarantee either
let me see if this shop is any good
if you draw it early
then make perfect hand for acrobat
if you donāt draw it soon
just play your straights
1-2 of them
doubled the glass count
ya took hiero midgame
if you draw an immediate straight within 1 discard and it DOESNT have glass, you play it
if you draw an immediate glass, you likely just burn down to acrobat then
so plan 1 is playing 2 straights for total score
plan 2 is 1 final straight only that throws glass and steel and acrobat and everything in
its going to be your intuition
which is better to do in your situation, during actual boss
where is blatro from
Balatro
c*nada
i roll down to 0 bc bean at 4 is better than a few more lucky procs and search for xmult ya?
local
bean doesnāt guarantee youāll find it
but
this is a good play
iād do that too i think
bean at 4 skip vs bean at 3 onemoreshop
ya
roll down to 0
i mean i could find more glass or DL or something next shop
youāre not finding shit next shop, not to mention prob risking glass in big blind
but bean 4 safer prob
glass is safe i think, i clear without using
or deaths
but ya roll down seems better
lucky procs arenāt worth trading 1 hand size for
no guarantee $20 will find you anything anyway
wheel prob better than purple seal speculative fool saturn
spin it
purple seal ideally finds you chariot justice death anyway
Savescum it š
Idol here??
NOPE
hmm.. seems like a good playā¦
3K 2 steel. pretty decent draw
i have 2 tribs, 2 socks, a bp and a bs
i think its one garbage straight plus one good straight like u said
def need purple seals
no no wait
let me think
show me straight level again?
3k 2 steel is 1.1 on acrobat i think
no thatās 7.59x
can i see
okay so
700x70**x3x7.59
70 base
wow even the cardsā chips matter jesus
lemme be more careful w math
itās like 730
i think its hard to fail drawing a 2nd straight with bean
oh it wins
instantly
because
7.593x
hidden decimal
so yes
this wins on acrobat, if you keep 2 steel and 3 kings
so you have straight already, might as well discard purple
then burn down to acrobat WITHOUT messing with the straight, steel, or kings
wait
wait
WAITTTTTT
THATS NOT 1.2 MILā¦
95 straight: 35 chips
heirophant: 30 chips
blue joker after 2HC: 62 chips
straight base: 690
so total chip 820
okay okay
so lemme do it again
move fist rank
to the left of the barons + steel
do you know what that means?
Painted Deck Blue Stake, Immolate hit two ranks perfectly for the Straight setup
so like if fist is going to proc on your lowest rank.. which is a 3⦠then move that 3 all the way to the left side of your hand size
wtf this is a thing?
it IS an in-hand effect so yeah
yes
i mean it's clearing with fist at 0
but good practice and TIL
yup
fist works very well with Steel Cards because of that, I like the joker
I mean, the joker is pretty good even without that trait
total victory
I was slightly confused before you edited that lol
LOOLL
Playing straights ain't that bad
I <3 yuri
JUST SHOW ME YOUR WINNING HAND ALREADY
mr paranoid triple checking the mafs
this is why my runs take longer than nitro bounty
why not use balala calculator šš
not all of us got stinky russian mods
Holy shit itās a bus, my mortal enemy
good start
you can do bean bug btw
ohhh LOOLLL
it was to exit and reenter it
alright @ me when grandpa wins
Time to ruin the game even harder with more mods
reduced motion ugh
learned a thing or two ty
makes game look so boring and stale
<<<< #1 animation hater
wheres the dopamine
youāreā
just give me the spreadsheet
holy shit theres been a setting to search in file contents with file explorer this whole time
balala excel edition šš„š„š„
excuse me lilo! this must be related back to balatro somehow!
you mean file contents OF file explorer OF balatro?
#run-discussion
i am figuring out how showman and rare tag bug works
i see
and this helps a lot
dont crash the bus
we all love bus
the hook will always kill your steels
dude i stopped picking up square all that much but his usage stat seems to be still growing
guys do we still all love cert
them: do u want to head back to my place? my sheets are top shelf
leave him in the dust where he belongs
im gonna fill your bed with breadcrumbs
hook killed both my blue seals with handsize 10 lol
my stat
square enjoyoor
my post reset stats (im.a chud)
do you also wear those perhaps
is this reasonable
whats showman doing here
bro thinks hes on the team
this profile says u play endless like 10% of the time?
wdym this profile
the stats
this is my only profile but batro hates me and it has reset thrice for no reason
i love ghost
and hate blue seals
-# no i just never get trance
ya sample size low ig
Maybe this is the runā¦.
i just want to unlock wee joker bro its tempting me to go endless š
greed the sixth sense here?
I don't think it's worth it, btw, try to keep the mime and baron triggers balanced
if you have an odd number then give it to baron
it's early in the run and i'm winning while copying dna so for now i don't think about it
sure then
but most spectrals really don't help rn
ecto does
only ones I think would be worth are ecto and perhaps aura
only ecto in late game i think
gamble for packs in shop (they never spawn)
Mellohi
Helo gamers. 1 take gold stake run any deck. Which deck are we thinking bout.
Did you actually not destroy 6's just for the sixth sense?
1 take?
future thinking
i deathed everything axept 6 in case he would come
and once he did it was too late
Holy Geometry Dash reference
they always do thatš
I don't think it's a bug regarding the game but I don't know where to post it
I updated Balatro on Google Play today because I saw there was an update
Finally
it changed the title to "Balatro: Try before you buy" even though I already bought the game (I got it on a sale)
Being as greedy as I am, I would sell mail for blueprint.
sold the dna so i can get money to role for mime
I mean... part of me wants to just say Black deck lol
fair
maybe now its snek 3
Balatro is the free trial for Snek 3
You're not the only one (you're the 87th one)
Honestly, Snek 3 is not as good as Snek 2
now question is, do i sell mail for showman @placid ridge š
No
I almost never go endless so the value of showman is a bit of a mystery to me lol
not worth atm as dont have +2 joker slots
He doesn't need more blueprints or brainstorms, he needs mime
Well they
I don't know š
speaking of which, it seems like it was a discord issue and not steam issue
perhaps some ai "optimization" on discords backend
normally i get mime first
Told you that Snek 3 wasn't that good
interesting
Do we think Mime is worth taking here? Hand size is only 8 atm. And Iām having a hard time deciding between getting rid of Chad or Smeared.
Smeared would be an easy decision if I had gotten a DNA at some point earlier
i was joking to be clear, i got no idea whats up with your app name
peculiar
I did buy the game on sale
it was a long while ago now though
I think it was 30% off or so
I bought the game at full price
I jumped at the opportunity so that I could play Balatro on the go
When was it on sale?
weird that the name changed though, maybe google messed something up
Hey guys
with Baron absolutely
I wanna do this red stake, should I skip every small bind?
I donāt get rewarded though
skips are not as good as they seem usually
you're rewarded with a blind and shop
There's only like one good skip and a few more that are really specific
So if I have no money I should skip it?
and with not having to beat the next blinds higher scoring requirement
No
you get eco and hands remaining money + a shop + scale your jokers if you have ones who can
If you don't have money the worst you can do is skip a small blind
I kinda have to play flush rn is the issue. Getting rid of chad is usually a loss of either 1.5 to the 4th or if I pull a glass, 2 to the 4th. Canāt get rid of smeared with my deck the way it is.
Yeah I guess Chad it is
Crazy i cant find mime
2/13/2026
What will the shop give me if I have no money slot spend it on if I get no reward money from small billings?
How do I do this, I really new
The joker pack is all you need
There's always a buffon pack in the first shop
Yes but I wonāt have money to use, I meant not after first small blind
Iām saying letās say I have $0 should I just skip my small blind
You don't really need anything else in the first ante
not skipping gives you:
extra hand value
interest value
blind value
gold card held in hand value
blue seal held in hand value
gold seal / lucky card played value
purple seal discarded value
you see a shop value
econ joker value
scaling mult/chip joker value
it's a lot of stuff
benefit of skipping: +.25x throwback
benefit of not skipping: more hands played, smaller scoring requirement, value generation from the blind
Real
ok negative steven hello
sometimes the joker pack won't really give you anything to score higher but usually you can make it through the first boss blind even without upgrades
plus, regardless, 90% of the time, and especially in ante 1, you're genuinely better off just not skipping the round
if you truly dont have any money at all then skipping small blind is only slightly worse but still worse
Go sixth sense for abandoned+
Skipping first round almost never worth it. Later on, skipping for voucher tags can be a god send. Almost any other skip is usually a net negative
and perhaps some tags justify the skip
there are only two or three tags that'll convince me to skip round 1, and that's from red stake onwards, those being:
- the coupon tag
- the investment tag
- the negative tag (and that's still questionable)
This is not about endless ā¤ļøāš©¹
- no
- yes
- hell no
anything other than that is straight up not worth over skipping the shop
And negative tags are trash
coupon tag is so bad idk why people put it up next to investment
What if u get a free rare joker or any beneficial prize in the next shop if u skip
even investment tag r1 is situational
for ex. its usually too risky to take against manacle
It's fun, I like it
:3
coupon tag is decent but its still not worth without double tags and a good situation
Ah I see. Even still, in an ante 8 run, still think voucher is prob the only thing I skip. In the case of ante 8, prob only if I have sold a cola or something
yeah its not that good ante 1 imo
???
No?
below black stake I think it could be fine to skip for that, but the higher stake you go the more detrimental stickers the free Joker can have potentially
good point: the hands i usually use to get out of ante 1 without upgrades need 5 cards each, so the manacle will make that harder
Ok? Why not
rebalance: the voucher skip should just give you a free voucher instead of making you buy it
consider that most rare Jokers aren't even going to be applicable to your build, whether it's early game or late
Idk any strategy in this game
whats the seed
idk
would be nice if the voucher was free
i dont want it to autogive the voucher though
that would be ass to be stuck with magic trick
i dont think i can see seed till after the run
you saw it when you won
or planet tycoon on zodiac lmao
The only strat Iāve done was have two stencils and a holographic blueprint with a bunch of earth celestials and I made it to decently high ante
You don't even need vouchers
the obvious one you can use is making do with what you get
extract as much value from the jokers you can use, and optimize your deck according to your joker lineup, replacing what you need to progressively
and remember that you win at ante 8
skipped past that
So zebra what should I do if I want to get a win for red stake
unless you're specifically aiming for beyond ante 8, in which case, the advice will still apply for surviving to find until you find what you need
iam still in the run atm if you think i aint finished yet
watch balatro university on youtube for beginner playlists from the best teacher and player of balatro
play pairs, save for interest cap $25, squeeze as much value from every round as you can
anyone interested in playing balatro with more than 2 players gamemodes? :P ignore if no
all this
if i were to just add one thing, blue seals are very good
yea theres a long list of generic advice to give
blue seals and money are the most powerful thing in the game
So anything with a pair
purple seal = op AS LONG AS YOU FUCKING draw it
specifically pairs
Ok
blue seal good
scaling jokers good
small hands easier to play
money good
relying on too much rng bad
going to anti 18 no mime -_-
you play Pairs when you have the scoring to survive playing pairs, and after that, playing pairs feeds into itself with scaling jokers, blue seal planets, and being very easy to draw (hard to not draw)
Did you read what I wrote? Almost never worth it, might take a voucher skip only if Iāve had a cola. Plus i fuckin love vouchers.
The rare Splash + Flower Pot build
So forget full houses and stuff, play pairs
green joker, supernova, rtb, square, these kinds of jokers work with pairs without any further thought
other things like runner and spare trousers benefit pairs in a slightly less direct way by letting you build big scoring bases to spam with pairs
throughout a run yea, first rounds still need big hands because you obv dont have any scoring
high card build uwu
in ante 1 when you have nothing, pairs don't do much, but a lot of runs give a direction which usually points to Pairs
This info is very overwhelming
squeeezing value out of this perishable round 1 pack seance š„
https://ko-fi.com/drspectred
https://www.twitch.tv/drspectred
Learn to play Balatro less bad. Tips and strategies for beginners. In this video, a short guide to surviving Ante 1 even when the first few shops have "bad Jokers," whatever that means.
Episode 2 in this playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdNGt-ihEAcEx0WnRNCrRH6Ur7jPHY...
allow me to say, 5 card hands are still good, but only for the really early game, when you don't have upgrades, as, if you can gather the cards for them, you can get out of each round in 1 hand, which means you get the most money out of the round
once you have the upgrades you need, then go with easier to play hands
the doc will sort you out
Alr alr
i personally like to aim for flushes in super early game
a combination of flushes, straights and full houses are necessary for early game
mhm
Should I get this??
I have it with supernova?
Cus Rn I have supernova bean and obelisk
obelisk specifically goes against the advice that was given to you, so you won't really benefit from this

I sold it
Free money
supernova and obelisk are essentially incompatible bc obelisk requires you to move away from your most played hand for the rest of the run
also rare skip š š
mainly flushes
no lol
whichever one presents itself most readily
which isnt always flush esp outside of the first round
will this kill me if i can't reroll it cuz i still didn't get director cut
non-issue most of the time: just remember to play 5 cards regardless of which hand you're trying to play
you should generally aim for flushes tho
9/10 times its the best option
absolutely not
Seeing double's negative is incredible :O
maybe like 60-70%
mmm i am sceptical
still
tldr pay attention
What did you just say...
ideally you dont play straights
and full houses are significantly rarer than flushes
enlightening
good to know\
what score is nan inf ?
something like 2.6e308
a 308 digit number
i think i can get now with just mime, baron blueprint and brainstorm
1.8e308 my b
what does smh mean
Thats what we like to see
i saw it so many times and i still don't knowš
shaking my head
ty
isn't that already enough to naninf? or going for a39?
invis instead of rebate?
are any of the negatives valuable?
no. but they are fancy
better than 50/50 for a copy joker, sounds ok. but you might be making enough money to just showman up what you need too
if i have money to burn most of the time i'll just take the negative for fun, but consider that every joker can be a negative. even the useless ones
Infidel build
(spend your money responsibly tho)
one time i got negative credit card from a negative skip 
negative eternal rental showman is where its at
Shaking my head. Usually used to indicate dismay, disbelief or disapproval
OK I just played a round on mobile balatro
It just seems to behave the same as the regular game, since I still see all my progress there
the update just changed the title even though it's a game I already have purchased
referring to this
I think this may be Google messing up instead of the publisher
also I did two-pair spare trousers with baseball card lol
Crimson Heart actually had me on my feet but it was fine in the end
springloaded my hamster
what hand is this built around?
Two Pair, played 47 times that run
fuck yeah
best hand
gl w the run
or what remains of it
nah I'm starting a new run on Gold Stake instead now that I've beaten Orange
grinding for that C+
could i finally win
only down side to inf run, it takes so dam long
could cardsharp be worth it to pivot later?
yeah i wont do it again til i download mods
its goal of mine to do it once
after that sod it
everything but the dam negative
100% would take without riffraff
still leaning towards taking
what is this run š
skipped it but now i am lowk scared of losing
damn that's scary
scary^3 plus sock^2
i dont wanna do this god
ya square isnt fast enough by itself but riffraff helps with money and hopefully u get more chip
its hard to win with just chip
most of my plasma gs stake wins do not pivot
have u seen head yet?
Bloodstone is an israel joker
i have a red seal heart king
nope but how do i check again
u cant
id ont think i saw the head
remember, write down, or gg
most likely ya
ya ig u dont really have a choice
well
u could sell rental and reroll
but that prob just loses most of the time
i skipped eternal rental tribe and got this from a jugdgement neat
bs on tribe right?
wdym
well no
when i ply a flush i play hearts which has a higher chance than not to be more than 2x
so bloodstone better
7 triggers of 1/2 is on avergae 3/4.5x
well debatable. i think minimize variance is better
unless youre losing without variance
but mostly i think it should not be on square. thats moot now tho
nvm i lost
i played a flush without dusk thinking itd win and got oopsed all over me
would 2x have won?
so no
ya w bloodstone safer to assume like 10-20% proc usually
annoying to do the math tho, i get it
Outrageous!!! Wdym I have to do math in my math game
if not using balatro calc, just using reg calc, it gets real tedious a lot of the time
Oh I was just joking but now my interest is piqued. Whatās balatro calc
website. input hand and jokers, get score range
burglar now or wait like 2 antes more
last ante i played flush with a red seal(8 triggers) 800k, flush with 7 triggers(70k)
variation is so big
Yah I was being sarcastic. Tho I usually only do math when buying stuff to see how much of a difference it makes. I feel like if u track how much u score each hand u can kinda get a feel for whether u can win or not
"can i win" is usually not that tedious
green joker blue joker "let's play 4 hands safely" otoh...
oh, it's beautiful, chat 
Wait so when r u doing the math. Donāt u usually know before going into the blind whether u can win or not
Unless itās for like trying to gauge value of playing extra hands vs taking the money
yes! but i dont want to just win, i want to maximize held in hand / mult scaling value
its kind of in my head
and if you need to use glass, if you need to play more cards, what jokers you need to copy, etc
Uninstalling rn
0/10 game
hmm š¤
uNpLaYaBuL
i think calculating what your hand will score should be a base option
Purple seal right?
purple tbh
I think thereās mods that do it Iāve seen it on yt a couple times
yeah im thinking purple too
there are
purple
but im saying it should be in vanilla
Ah ok
Tbh I like not calculating sometimes
Makes me feel like Iām actually gambling lol
What happened here?
you have 0 handsize
rebates got 2 rounds left
so you died
what if u lowroll your 2 draws tho
ggwp
playing the challenge where you lose handsize for every $5 you have, and you have $90 š
played a full 5 card luck hand
Iāve been dreading the challenges Iāve just been working on getting C++ bc they seem horrendous
must have gotten so much money i forgot to spent it
theyre all fine apart from 3
purple seems a bit greedy?
Anyone else like ride the bus
not sure
One of my fave jokers to get early
(jk)
massive L take
why
that is a developable skill you remove from the game
well, we could hide interim scores too
part of playing fast is knowing how much youll score
it came back..
that doesnt make it a good thing
Doesnāt that fall more under QOL esp if u made it optional
i think theres a tedium continuum and not displaying scores is on the wrong side
skill expression is a good thing
skill expression is not always a good thing
skill expression is not always a good thing
huge L takes all around
we could hide deck view
you all fail
more skill expression does not automatically mean its a better game
goodbye
we could hide jokers after you buy them
its not necessar
you are supposed to lose cause you didnt score enough
thats... not very interesting skill expression
what isnt necessary
if you scored enough its 1. you couldnt score enough, calculator does nothing, 2 you chose to be greedy, part of the fun
I personally would like a base score calculator in the game
if you couldnt score enough then yes a calculator doesnt help you to win, of course.
that doesnt mean it's a bad thing to add
moot point ofc bc thunk's mind seems made up
it doesnt give you any new information, it just makes it less annoying to figure it out
localthunk doesnt like the scoring system because of the need to calculate your score at times
gg
fantastic run
no ecto, but that's okay
sock/idol stay goated
who up hacking their 5's
I think adding a calculator doesnt really remove any of the thinking
and this wouldnt make my brain stop working
it just takes a step away from players that already were using it
calculator ā save scum just before hand finishes scoring ā doing the math yourself
all have the same result, with various levels of inconvinience
people who have ++ in they names to feel superior from others, which one is better? Shoot the moon or 4$ buffon pack?
what's the boss
Pshychic
ill take the buffoon
i can't estimate if my hand will score enough to get me to 4050, or if it's gonna end up at 3988
calc and save scum just save time if you already know all the values that will affect the hand
okey
how does a calculator cause that
Without a calculator you might aswell do the same
you'll.. still have to know how the game works
calc is QOL once you already know how to play the game well
it doesn't make you do terrible plays and then check a calc
Both are nice tbh, well done Lilo :D!
new players would do this sure, but calc are most useful for players that are trying to squeeze value from the rounds
i'll take Crazy joker for now
I mean true. because it allows u to greed for econ without having to think as hard
sure, but here's the full context
In Balatro, my personal belief is that the game is more fun when you set up your Rube Goldberg machine and watch it go before knowing whether or not the hand will win the round. This adds some drama and suspense for players that don't feel like they need to know the exact score before pressing play. This has a pretty large design flaw though: Balatro is also a strategy game and not giving the player this tool is basically just poor quality of life for players that want to min-max their strategy, since they will want to do that legwork anyway.
The solutions are to either move the information horizon to the point the game currently displays, which would require making Joker effects or card bonuses fuzzy (like Misprint, for example), OR it would require a perfect score preview that, IMO, would make the game less fun for a large contingent of players that enjoy the pageantry of the chips ticking up, the fire, the drama, the excitement when you barely make it past the blind. I am in that contingent of players, and ultimately I designed this game for me, so even if it does put some players off I need to stay true to my preferences.
I prefer suffering and calcualting the hands myself because then its my fault if i lose
so considering a bunch of different factors, thunk still leans against
when did he say this
reddit ama shortly after launch
I think thunks opinions generally have changed a lot since 2024 and since he finished c++
truthnuke
one does nothing without the otherā¦
i used to think baron was nice before my first c++
so beatiful
that isnt the full context
he also said "This is all to say, the criticism is 100% warranted and not something I think has a clear and simple answer. I wish it did - and I have spent a long time trying to come up with a theoretical solution to no avail. Really if I wanted to create a game without this design issue, I don't think an experience like Balatro could really exist."
Can the fool copy the soul ?
no
fool can't copy spectrals at all

nope! soul is a spectral
ok... ill concede i did not copy paste the whole thing
does any of that support your case tho?
tldr- it's tough, here's the tradeoff, i get some ppl arent happy but here's where i'm at
certified dogshit
which is why having the option is a good compromise
he specifically calls out the flaw that you mention and then dismisses it in the final decision
temperance/dagger/sticker value!
But he also says without this design flaw the balatro experience wouldn't exist
you can mitigate it by just making it an option
instead of being one or the other always
thereās pros to a calc button and pros to not having one.. hard to find a solution
You can just mod?
but not everyone can
you're forgetting that non-PC platforms exist
I would like to compare this to the game's speed option, can you imagine if the game was stuck at 1x speed instead of considering qol options for players?
most of the players are on mobile not pc
There exists a mobile moding thing right
nope!
...and even if there existed one
nop, most of mobile mods aren't official and are probably filled of virus
personal experience
you would still be valid for requesting something to be in vanilla just because something is available 3rd party
Yup
imo the game should just add a quick calc like the mod and also fix the save scumming exploit
Hm, I mean I am not against adding a calc and not with it too
Like I have lost runs because I have been off a few numbers because I was greeding but idk
I have nothing to contribute to this conversation sorry
you've shared your opinion, that's contributing
dw
we're here to discuss after all
so make save scumming allowed before the scoring of cards/jokers finish
Hands can slip in shop too tho
making save scumming on packs msot of the time can be used as a way to know rng stuff
iāve actually died because i didnāt savescum in time trying to greed something
a calc button wouldāve helped..
holy earth
we love purple seals, and wee š„
maybe they could add something like Mewgenics? that you're allowed to savescum just once
ya without ice cream still sketchy but youre in a good spot here
allowing you to save scum on shops and scoring just 1-3 times per run
bro who cares about the ice cream when thereās a blank voucher right there
immediate scoring help
warning dialogs are way worse than scummability
it's another thing that should be an option imo
a hand confirm button, a sell confirm button
what is this seed š
this game already has a ton of bugs... exploding the number of configs to test would prob be a disaster
yes bro might as well š
first message I see coming here today 
it's not really "exploding" the number of configs
you're not adding super complex features
every toggle you add is a 2x
that doesnt mean it actually matters
no worry guys, it's a Mewgenics reference!
"yo bro, make the run seeded, but dont make it obvious"
i didnt see the blind and took 2 ectos for the funny lmao
ww2 celebrity is a reference to kitty dnd roguelike :/
looks like you gotta sell a stuntman
technically u could sell stuntman and survive
at a certain point, the game is envisioned to play a certain way by a dev, and you take it, leave it, or mod it
better than trying to be all things to all ppl
sell stunt or you're dead
if i sell stunt i am dead i held r
i think adding some qol isnt that bad though
this is a silly way to avoid criticism
as if you are in a position to criticize
"it is the way it is" /strawman
"celebrity"
its not strict qol here. the calc fundamentally changes how the game plays
it doesnt give you any more information
sure calc does change the game, but the confirm buttons dont at all
and its worse to encourage people to pull out an actual calculator imo
idk lowkey makes sense that evil H is in mewgenics, still stupid tbh
not here
i can make do without a calc in the game for impression related reasons for other games
doing more thinking yourself vs letting the game do it for you and focus on what you get away with after
I dont think it needs a calc but i think run info could show what your last hands scored or something that could be kinda useful, some people do start a run and then finish it a day or so later when theyre not busy
like Multiplayer does?
multiplayer only shows highest score right? but something like that sure
no it isnt
sure it does. what do you confirm, and what do you not? what should the default be? is there some threshold? what if the player gets comfy and now gets caught out on a different case? does the avg time to play increase and cause a dropoff in player retention bc it feels tedious, even if they could go and turn it back off?
it's simple from a player's pov but not from the game designer's
maybe they can show you: your last hand - your best scored hand
oh for sure, i think stuff where you dont have access to that information but you did previously should be available, like which bosses youve seen already
for RNG scoring you should just give a range of scores, lowest -> highest
average score expectancy per hand last round im fine with for quick evaluation
does thunk care about player retention?
[probably not]
if he did he would make balatro a live service game lol
every commercial game designer does, right?
indie developers have other priorities
big LT works in mysterious ways 
you WILL spam pairs and you WILL love it
he isnt a commercial game designer
but hes not really a commerical game designer
he's a hobbyist at heart
he just made a game that got popular
he made a game for his family and friends
^ he initially expected to sell 6 copies
according to that one video everybody saw
localthunk literally just wanted to make a funny game as a hobby and then he sees his game on the GOTYs, so cool
whole chat of c++ and i'm this gif of "random kid" oops
i think youāre just as valuable as the rest of us [if anything, more valuable than c++ players] :)
he likes to make games as a hobby and prefers to make games that are for the purpose of playing in his irl social bubble. a game made special that way, for his few somebody's
"Random joker"
Iām a beginner too dw
does something
(sometimes)
Misprint clutching up once and giving one mult the rest of the game
(He lowkey earned the vacation)
What change today android update?
i just realice...you're in our joker slots right now...
to the dagger i go?
ig what im saying is what looks like "add a toggle" to a user is not so simple to a designer. even if we ignore player retention (which is a decent proxy for player satisfaction if we dont use evil fomo design patterns), there's ease of use, test, and a number of other considerations
what is dagger?
considering iām c++ myself iād consider what i said banter
not that c++ amounts to anything
i'm going to get my 4th c++ and i still feel like a completly dumb ass ngl
ok goodbye wifi
there should be a Judgement bot that pings a random <@&1122903010016763995>
asking for inevitable encounters
True
wooow
synergy of the year
did you just ping the entire jokers army just to reply??? š
having c++ means not much except demonstrating interest
it's probably rare to not have c++ and be good at the game tho? usually ppl who go deep end up finishing c++ at some point
oh ok
iām good ty
i saw the @ on colour and i thought that the ping would proc
"test"?
the game has been out for 2 years so it's only a matter of time
tbh is not bad, you minmax square then one shot with pair/3oak
you can mention roles without pinging them, it just means you dont have permission to ping them;
e.g. @everyone @here <@&1471694272909803583>
black deck squimbo
"does your game work in every configuration? what about after a balance patch? how do you know?"
sorry i cant read im a balatro player