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pale wolf
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its cards

cloud sinew
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it isn't designed to be an actual cat

lime remnant
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the thing

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the uh

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yk

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from the mouth

heavy heron
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whiskers

lime remnant
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ah

heavy heron
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oh wait

cloud sinew
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also bull??? how does bull possibly have facial hair

patent sail
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why does score catch on fire around all those paper cards, thats a serious fire hazard

heavy heron
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i actually don’t know

pale wolf
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again, hair on face

waxen stream
knotty zodiac
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these are a few of my favorite things

lime remnant
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or hair?

heavy heron
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zebra i know you got file images of every joker in the game

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show the bull

pale wolf
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if a face has hairs its facial hair

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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oh nvm lilo does

cloud sinew
patent sail
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evil fucking bull

pale wolf
lime remnant
knotty zodiac
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zebra has 50tb of cold storage with monthly backups

patent sail
heavy heron
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OHHHHHH

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LOOLLLLL

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YEAH zebra is right

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but is that ā€œfacialā€ hair

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i don’t know

pale wolf
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bulls arent fleshy, thats the nose color

heavy heron
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i feel like when you say facial hair you’re thinking of like mustaches and goatees and shit

pale wolf
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does bull have a face

heavy heron
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not like… hair and fur lining a whole animal’s body including the face

heavy heron
cloud sinew
severe plinth
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I FEEL SOO GOOD RN

cloud sinew
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theyre plastic or metal

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they dont have hair

lime remnant
pale wolf
heavy heron
cloud sinew
heavy heron
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it’s prob made of glass

severe plinth
lime remnant
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how lucky cat look like

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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all lucky cats are usually made of like… some kind of fragile material that i can’t name rn

pale wolf
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šŸ™„ i am right

heavy heron
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yeaaaa

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wait

lime remnant
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pottery thing

heavy heron
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no

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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YEA pottery thing

pale wolf
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we are dooned

cloud sinew
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dooned

knotty zodiac
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dooned

lime remnant
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dooned

pale wolf
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dont even know the words for porcelain or china

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even tho most lucky cats ive seen are plastic

heavy heron
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yes that’s the word! plastic!

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LOOLLLL

knotty zodiac
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plastic is such a taboo word now lmao

heavy heron
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no it’s not made of plastic usually

pale wolf
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I'm very confused right now

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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okay okay when yall go into a chinese restaurant and see a lucky cat

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that thing is def made of

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NOT real hair

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so

pale wolf
knotty zodiac
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all the marketing ppl: we cant call it plastic

resin
abs
recycled fishing nets

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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yeah but… if you touch showman’s mustache it’ll feel like hair..but if you touch lucky cat’s hair you’ll feel COLD

pale wolf
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It's a video game representation of a card representation of a fictional character

calm furnace
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this run was screaming for obelisk

pale wolf
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i am safe in saying lucky cat has as much facial hair as vagabond

heavy heron
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if localthunk saw this convo he’d delete both jokers immediately and replace them with grass jokers

pale wolf
lime remnant
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we on some bullshit rn šŸ˜‚

pale wolf
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vagabond doesnt have any hair because its a card and further than that its just a drawing

heavy heron
knotty zodiac
pale wolf
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theres nothing saying thats not what cats look like in balatro universe, too

heavy heron
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i lowkey gotta grab popcorn while watching this, hopefully it isn’t gone in 5 rounds

cloud sinew
pale wolf
knotty zodiac
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does the catbus from my neighbor totoro (1988) have facial hair?

pale wolf
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if lucky cat doesnt have hair no joker has hair

cloud sinew
pale wolf
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yes true

glossy forge
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Throwback into Loyalty on Ante 8, SURELY THIS WINS

lime remnant
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it looks like hes buttery smooth

knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
# pale wolf yes true

if the question was phrased as "which jokers were designed with the intention of having facial hair" then the answer would be 3

pale wolf
heavy heron
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catbus

pale wolf
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obviously has facial hair

lime remnant
cloud sinew
lime remnant
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shits so hairy and soft

pale wolf
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more accurately hair is fur

lime remnant
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😨

pale wolf
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probably not accurate lol hair is more of a catch-all

cloud sinew
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not all hair is fur

glossy forge
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Cinema

knotty zodiac
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lolol does baron save this run? like having 5 steel

heavy heron
wheat fiber
heavy heron
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wait how many kings you got

heavy heron
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okay wait

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YOU GOT BEAN AND FOIR FINGERS

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SO ACTUALLY

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ACTUALLY

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HOW MUCH DOES BEAN HAVE?

cloud sinew
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should be 3+ iirc

heavy heron
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BRO FUCK RAISED FIST WE GOING STTAIGHT BARONS

knotty zodiac
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4 left

heavy heron
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ITS TIME TO COOK

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wait

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nvm yes sell raised fist

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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i was considering keeping it but no way

cloud sinew
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eternal

heavy heron
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not with a bean

pale wolf
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bean deck - 20 hand size, decreases by 1 each round

heavy heron
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oh it

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the red camouflages

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damn

cloud sinew
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its like perishable blueprint

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
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acrobat….

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okay so there’s like

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a few ways to go about this

iron vigil
heavy heron
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you sell acrobat, you go four fingers and play several straights with kings in hand each time

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or

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you sell four fingers

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and you prob can only play like 2 straights with kings in hand

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
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because now you got 1.5^2-4 per hand

mighty gust
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Of course when I'm on a flush run this mf appears
Also. Blueprint of hopes and dreams

cloud sinew
knotty zodiac
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baron acrobat > baron 4f no?

heavy heron
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hmmm

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depends how many kings you got IN HAND

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but even 2 kings totals a 6x

knotty zodiac
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5

heavy heron
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show me your straight level again

cloud sinew
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21

heavy heron
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64 x 6 x 700 issss

knotty zodiac
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+2

heavy heron
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268k final hand

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thays w 2 kings in hand

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with 5 kings it’s…

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7.59 x 3 x 64 x 700

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1 million

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so if you got 5 kings in hand for final hand

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
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you’re basically there

heavy heron
heavy heron
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1 throwaway hand

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and a lot of kings final hand

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so yes delete four fingers

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but you need 2 straights minimum

iron vigil
knotty zodiac
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i dont think i can guarantee 5 kings

heavy heron
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1 throwaway, 1 final + kings

knotty zodiac
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but i think i should be able to pull 1 glass

heavy heron
heavy heron
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the goal is to play

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1-2 throwaway straights that total to like 200-300k minimum

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THEN

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final straight, have as many kings or glass or steel possible

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if you use glass early don’t be afraid to do that either

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because that score will matter

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just don’t flop your straights

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you NEED at least 2

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ideally 3

knotty zodiac
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4 kings and 1 glass wins outright

heavy heron
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so actually

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if you want

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find perfect hand

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then burn down to acrobat

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and play it, and win

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kings + glass straight for final hand

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100% wins

knotty zodiac
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lmao i only have 1 glass, cant guarantee either

heavy heron
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but no guarantee you’re drawing glass

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SO so

knotty zodiac
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let me see if this shop is any good

heavy heron
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if you draw it early

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then make perfect hand for acrobat

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if you don’t draw it soon

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just play your straights

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1-2 of them

knotty zodiac
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doubled the glass count

heavy heron
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that’s a big deal

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HOLY SHIT

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3 HANDS ONLY??

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BRO.. you gotta be careful

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
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if you draw an immediate straight within 1 discard and it DOESNT have glass, you play it

if you draw an immediate glass, you likely just burn down to acrobat then

heavy heron
heavy heron
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its going to be your intuition

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which is better to do in your situation, during actual boss

pale wolf
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where is blatro from

iron vigil
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Balatro

woven hare
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c*nada

knotty zodiac
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i roll down to 0 bc bean at 4 is better than a few more lucky procs and search for xmult ya?

warm wedge
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local

heavy heron
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but

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this is a good play

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i’d do that too i think

knotty zodiac
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bean at 4 skip vs bean at 3 onemoreshop

heavy heron
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OH YOU MEAN

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should you skip?

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yeah no doubt

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1000000%

knotty zodiac
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ya

heavy heron
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roll down to 0

knotty zodiac
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i mean i could find more glass or DL or something next shop

heavy heron
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you’re not finding shit next shop, not to mention prob risking glass in big blind

knotty zodiac
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but bean 4 safer prob

heavy heron
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nahhhhh

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roll down, find tarots

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glass or chariot

knotty zodiac
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glass is safe i think, i clear without using

heavy heron
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or deaths

knotty zodiac
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but ya roll down seems better

heavy heron
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100%

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no doubt roll down and skip

knotty zodiac
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median is 0 lucky procs

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which is like $3 lol

heavy heron
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lucky procs aren’t worth trading 1 hand size for

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no guarantee $20 will find you anything anyway

knotty zodiac
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wheel prob better than purple seal speculative fool saturn

heavy heron
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purple seal ideally finds you chariot justice death anyway

brittle ocean
tranquil cedar
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Idol here??

heavy heron
heavy heron
knotty zodiac
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3K 2 steel. pretty decent draw

tranquil cedar
knotty zodiac
heavy heron
heavy heron
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let me think

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show me straight level again?

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
heavy heron
knotty zodiac
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oops

heavy heron
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okay so

knotty zodiac
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700x70**x3x7.59

heavy heron
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70 base

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wow even the cards’ chips matter jesus

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lemme be more careful w math

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it’s like 730

knotty zodiac
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i think its hard to fail drawing a 2nd straight with bean

heavy heron
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oh it wins

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instantly

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because

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7.593x

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hidden decimal

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so yes

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this wins on acrobat, if you keep 2 steel and 3 kings

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so you have straight already, might as well discard purple

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then burn down to acrobat WITHOUT messing with the straight, steel, or kings

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wait

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wait

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WAITTTTTT

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THATS NOT 1.2 MIL…

knotty zodiac
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95 straight: 35 chips
heirophant: 30 chips
blue joker after 2HC: 62 chips
straight base: 690

so total chip 820

knotty zodiac
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ignore fist

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70x3x1.5^5

heavy heron
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1.3 mil

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yup

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you got it

heavy heron
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to the left of the barons + steel

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do you know what that means?

exotic silo
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Painted Deck Blue Stake, Immolate hit two ranks perfectly for the Straight setup

heavy heron
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so like if fist is going to proc on your lowest rank.. which is a 3… then move that 3 all the way to the left side of your hand size

exotic silo
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same with shoot the moon

knotty zodiac
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yall onscore players are amaze

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lolol

exotic silo
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it IS an in-hand effect so yeah

heavy heron
knotty zodiac
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i mean it's clearing with fist at 0

but good practice and TIL

heavy heron
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yup

exotic silo
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fist works very well with Steel Cards because of that, I like the joker

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I mean, the joker is pretty good even without that trait

heavy heron
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yup

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fist + steel alone

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wins (in 3 hands)

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(i didn’t need stencil)

alpine lynx
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total victory

exotic silo
heavy heron
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LOOLL

spark mirage
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Playing straights ain't that bad

serene forge
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I <3 yuri

heavy heron
knotty zodiac
heavy heron
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bro BROFUEHFOWHF

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YOU GOT IT

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TRUST

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don’t doubt my math

heavy heron
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THERE YOU GO

knotty zodiac
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this is why my runs take longer than nitro bounty

patent sail
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why not use balala calculator 😭😭

heavy heron
patent sail
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ONLINE ONE

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ITS NOT A MOD

mortal summit
spark mirage
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There is one online

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Omgbruh

storm dome
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good start

heavy heron
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way easier to set up

spark mirage
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Bro

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Put the fries in the bag, it's joever

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šŸ’”šŸ’”

heavy heron
storm dome
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already done it

heavy heron
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ohhh LOOLLL

storm dome
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it was to exit and reenter it

heavy heron
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alright @ me when grandpa wins

eternal minnow
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Time to ruin the game even harder with more mods

heavy heron
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but anyways good job

patent sail
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reduced motion ugh

knotty zodiac
patent sail
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makes game look so boring and stale

knotty zodiac
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<<<< #1 animation hater

patent sail
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wheres the dopamine

heavy heron
knotty zodiac
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just give me the spreadsheet

cloud sinew
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holy shit theres been a setting to search in file contents with file explorer this whole time

patent sail
heavy heron
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you mean file contents OF file explorer OF balatro?

cloud sinew
heavy heron
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i see

cloud sinew
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and this helps a lot

patent sail
knotty zodiac
patent sail
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we all love bus

woven hare
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the hook will always kill your steels

patent sail
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dude i stopped picking up square all that much but his usage stat seems to be still growing

woven hare
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guys do we still all love cert

knotty zodiac
heavy heron
woven hare
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D:

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un pene

patent sail
knotty zodiac
patent sail
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my stat

knotty zodiac
woven hare
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my post reset stats (im.a chud)

woven hare
patent sail
woven hare
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bro thinks hes on the team

knotty zodiac
woven hare
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wdym this profile

knotty zodiac
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the stats

woven hare
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this is my only profile but batro hates me and it has reset thrice for no reason

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i love ghost

knotty zodiac
woven hare
knotty zodiac
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ya sample size low ig

storm dome
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is taking the voucher worth it here

frozen smelt
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Maybe this is the run….

tranquil cedar
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new pb damn...

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and it was trib lol

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found a nat neg family

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so there's that

bronze widget
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i just want to unlock wee joker bro its tempting me to go endless 😭

storm dome
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greed the sixth sense here?

tranquil cedar
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if you have an odd number then give it to baron

storm dome
tranquil cedar
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but most spectrals really don't help rn

frank grove
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ecto does

tranquil cedar
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only ones I think would be worth are ecto and perhaps aura

storm dome
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only ecto in late game i think

tranquil cedar
frozen smelt
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i cant find mime or blueprint on this nan inf potentional of a run

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typical

vale shale
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Mellohi

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Helo gamers. 1 take gold stake run any deck. Which deck are we thinking bout.

vale shale
storm dome
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i deathed everything axept 6 in case he would come

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and once he did it was too late

humble gulch
storm dome
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they always do thatšŸ˜”

feral needle
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I don't think it's a bug regarding the game but I don't know where to post it

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I updated Balatro on Google Play today because I saw there was an update

frozen smelt
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Finally

feral needle
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it changed the title to "Balatro: Try before you buy" even though I already bought the game (I got it on a sale)

frozen smelt
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question is, do i sell dna for blueprint

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and keep mail

placid ridge
vale shale
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Any deck

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Win or lose I'll give the results here

frozen smelt
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sold the dna so i can get money to role for mime

placid ridge
frozen smelt
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hoping i can double tag a voucher skip

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or iam gonna cry

pale wolf
placid ridge
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Balatro is the free trial for Snek 3

vale shale
humble gulch
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Honestly, Snek 3 is not as good as Snek 2

frozen smelt
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now question is, do i sell mail for showman @placid ridge šŸ˜‚

humble gulch
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No

placid ridge
frozen smelt
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not worth atm as dont have +2 joker slots

humble gulch
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He doesn't need more blueprints or brainstorms, he needs mime

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Well they

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I don't know šŸ‘

pale wolf
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perhaps some ai "optimization" on discords backend

frozen smelt
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normally i get mime first

humble gulch
feral needle
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interesting

zenith raven
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Do we think Mime is worth taking here? Hand size is only 8 atm. And I’m having a hard time deciding between getting rid of Chad or Smeared.

Smeared would be an easy decision if I had gotten a DNA at some point earlier

pale wolf
humble gulch
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I updated Balatro too...

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šŸ‘

feral needle
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peculiar

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I did buy the game on sale

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it was a long while ago now though

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I think it was 30% off or so

pale wolf
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what was it on sale for šŸ¦“

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3 dollars woohoo

humble gulch
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I bought the game at full price

feral needle
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I jumped at the opportunity so that I could play Balatro on the go

humble gulch
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When was it on sale?

feral needle
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weird that the name changed though, maybe google messed something up

hallow flicker
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Hey guys

hallow flicker
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I wanna do this red stake, should I skip every small bind?

hallow flicker
knotty zodiac
pale wolf
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you're rewarded with a blind and shop

humble gulch
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There's only like one good skip and a few more that are really specific

hallow flicker
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So if I have no money I should skip it?

pale wolf
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and with not having to beat the next blinds higher scoring requirement

humble gulch
tawdry epoch
humble gulch
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If you don't have money the worst you can do is skip a small blind

zenith raven
# stark acorn with Baron absolutely

I kinda have to play flush rn is the issue. Getting rid of chad is usually a loss of either 1.5 to the 4th or if I pull a glass, 2 to the 4th. Can’t get rid of smeared with my deck the way it is.

Yeah I guess Chad it is

frozen smelt
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Crazy i cant find mime

feral needle
hallow flicker
# humble gulch No

What will the shop give me if I have no money slot spend it on if I get no reward money from small billings?

hallow flicker
humble gulch
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There's always a buffon pack in the first shop

hallow flicker
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I’m saying let’s say I have $0 should I just skip my small blind

humble gulch
knotty zodiac
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not skipping gives you:

extra hand value
interest value
blind value
gold card held in hand value
blue seal held in hand value
gold seal / lucky card played value
purple seal discarded value
you see a shop value
econ joker value
scaling mult/chip joker value

it's a lot of stuff

pale wolf
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benefit of skipping: +.25x throwback
benefit of not skipping: more hands played, smaller scoring requirement, value generation from the blind

humble gulch
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Real

frank grove
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ok negative steven hello

dapper igloo
# humble gulch The joker pack is all you need

sometimes the joker pack won't really give you anything to score higher but usually you can make it through the first boss blind even without upgrades

plus, regardless, 90% of the time, and especially in ante 1, you're genuinely better off just not skipping the round

pale wolf
humble gulch
zenith raven
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Skipping first round almost never worth it. Later on, skipping for voucher tags can be a god send. Almost any other skip is usually a net negative

pale wolf
dapper igloo
humble gulch
pale wolf
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  1. no
  2. yes
  3. hell no
dapper igloo
humble gulch
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And negative tags are trash

frank grove
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coupon tag is so bad idk why people put it up next to investment

hallow flicker
knotty zodiac
humble gulch
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:3

pale wolf
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coupon tag is decent but its still not worth without double tags and a good situation

zenith raven
frank grove
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yeah its not that good ante 1 imo

pale wolf
dapper igloo
zenith raven
knotty zodiac
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rebalance: the voucher skip should just give you a free voucher instead of making you buy it

pale wolf
frozen smelt
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i genually dont think mime is in this deck

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16 antes in

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and none

hallow flicker
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Idk any strategy in this game

pale wolf
frozen smelt
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idk

pale wolf
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i dont want it to autogive the voucher though

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that would be ass to be stuck with magic trick

frozen smelt
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i dont think i can see seed till after the run

knotty zodiac
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oh right

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planet tycoon lol

pale wolf
frank grove
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or planet tycoon on zodiac lmao

hallow flicker
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The only strat I’ve done was have two stencils and a holographic blueprint with a bunch of earth celestials and I made it to decently high ante

humble gulch
dapper igloo
# hallow flicker Idk any strategy in this game

the obvious one you can use is making do with what you get

extract as much value from the jokers you can use, and optimize your deck according to your joker lineup, replacing what you need to progressively

and remember that you win at ante 8

frozen smelt
hallow flicker
dapper igloo
frozen smelt
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iam still in the run atm if you think i aint finished yet

pale wolf
spring radish
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anyone interested in playing balatro with more than 2 players gamemodes? :P ignore if no

knotty zodiac
pale wolf
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yea theres a long list of generic advice to give

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blue seals and money are the most powerful thing in the game

spring radish
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purple seal = op AS LONG AS YOU FUCKING draw it

knotty zodiac
hallow flicker
versed sable
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blue seal good
scaling jokers good
small hands easier to play
money good
relying on too much rng bad

frozen smelt
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going to anti 18 no mime -_-

pale wolf
# hallow flicker So anything with a pair

you play Pairs when you have the scoring to survive playing pairs, and after that, playing pairs feeds into itself with scaling jokers, blue seal planets, and being very easy to draw (hard to not draw)

zenith raven
exotic silo
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The rare Splash + Flower Pot build

hallow flicker
pale wolf
pale wolf
spring radish
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high card build uwu

exotic silo
hallow flicker
frank grove
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squeeezing value out of this perishable round 1 pack seance šŸ”„

pale wolf
# hallow flicker This info is very overwhelming

https://ko-fi.com/drspectred
https://www.twitch.tv/drspectred

Learn to play Balatro less bad. Tips and strategies for beginners. In this video, a short guide to surviving Ante 1 even when the first few shops have "bad Jokers," whatever that means.

Episode 2 in this playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdNGt-ihEAcEx0WnRNCrRH6Ur7jPHY...

ā–¶ Play video
dapper igloo
# hallow flicker So forget full houses and stuff, play pairs

allow me to say, 5 card hands are still good, but only for the really early game, when you don't have upgrades, as, if you can gather the cards for them, you can get out of each round in 1 hand, which means you get the most money out of the round

once you have the upgrades you need, then go with easier to play hands

pale wolf
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the doc will sort you out

hallow flicker
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Alr alr

dapper igloo
cloud sinew
dapper igloo
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mhm

hallow flicker
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I have it with supernova?

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Cus Rn I have supernova bean and obelisk

dapper igloo
pale wolf
pale wolf
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supernova and obelisk are essentially incompatible bc obelisk requires you to move away from your most played hand for the rest of the run

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also rare skip šŸ‘Ž šŸ‘Ž

pale wolf
hoary moon
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and easy enough to score

pale wolf
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whichever one presents itself most readily

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which isnt always flush esp outside of the first round

storm dome
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will this kill me if i can't reroll it cuz i still didn't get director cut

dapper igloo
storm dome
hoary moon
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9/10 times its the best option

pale wolf
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absolutely not

hearty tusk
pale wolf
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maybe like 60-70%

ebon condor
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tldr pay attention

hearty tusk
wind sluice
hoary moon
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and full houses are significantly rarer than flushes

pale wolf
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enlightening

storm dome
frozen smelt
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what score is nan inf ?

pale wolf
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something like 2.6e308

dapper igloo
frozen smelt
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i think i can get now with just mime, baron blueprint and brainstorm

pale wolf
wind sluice
hoary moon
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smh

wind sluice
storm dome
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what does smh mean

frozen smelt
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Thats what we like to see

storm dome
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i saw it so many times and i still don't know😭

frank grove
storm dome
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oh

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okay thanks

pale wolf
waxen quartz
frozen smelt
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ill go as far as i can to beat my high score

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then when ill go for nan inf

storm dome
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invis instead of rebate?

waxen quartz
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are any of the negatives valuable?

storm dome
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no. but they are fancy

waxen quartz
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better than 50/50 for a copy joker, sounds ok. but you might be making enough money to just showman up what you need too

dapper igloo
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if i have money to burn most of the time i'll just take the negative for fun, but consider that every joker can be a negative. even the useless ones

vale shale
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Infidel build

dapper igloo
dapper igloo
patent sail
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negative eternal rental showman is where its at

hearty tusk
knotty zodiac
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sprained my hankle

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spotted my houseplant

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swung my hatchet

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spilled my honey

feral needle
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OK I just played a round on mobile balatro

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It just seems to behave the same as the regular game, since I still see all my progress there

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the update just changed the title even though it's a game I already have purchased

feral needle
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I think this may be Google messing up instead of the publisher

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also I did two-pair spare trousers with baseball card lol

exotic silo
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Crimson Heart actually had me on my feet but it was fine in the end

hushed saddle
hushed saddle
exotic silo
hushed saddle
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best hand

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gl w the run

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or what remains of it

exotic silo
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nah I'm starting a new run on Gold Stake instead now that I've beaten Orange

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grinding for that C+

bronze widget
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could i finally win

frozen smelt
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only down side to inf run, it takes so dam long

bronze widget
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could cardsharp be worth it to pivot later?

bronze widget
frozen smelt
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its goal of mine to do it once

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after that sod it

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everything but the dam negative

knotty zodiac
light oak
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what is this run 😭

bronze widget
storm dome
light oak
bronze widget
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i dont wanna do this god

knotty zodiac
bronze widget
knotty zodiac
bronze widget
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o i not take bloodstone?

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dpo

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do*

knotty zodiac
lethal arrow
bronze widget
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i have a red seal heart king

bronze widget
knotty zodiac
bronze widget
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id ont think i saw the head

knotty zodiac
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remember, write down, or gg

bronze widget
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eh he wont show up

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but

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i mean i have 3 rentals and

knotty zodiac
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most likely ya

bronze widget
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my econs about to expire

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so i really dont want the rental blue

knotty zodiac
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ya ig u dont really have a choice

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well

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u could sell rental and reroll

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but that prob just loses most of the time

bronze widget
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i skipped eternal rental tribe and got this from a jugdgement neat

knotty zodiac
bronze widget
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well no

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when i ply a flush i play hearts which has a higher chance than not to be more than 2x

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so bloodstone better

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7 triggers of 1/2 is on avergae 3/4.5x

knotty zodiac
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well debatable. i think minimize variance is better

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unless youre losing without variance

bronze widget
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this should win alone

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with dusk its 100% bloodstone though now

knotty zodiac
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but mostly i think it should not be on square. thats moot now tho

bronze widget
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nvm i lost

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i played a flush without dusk thinking itd win and got oopsed all over me

knotty zodiac
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TT

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bloodstone strikes again

bronze widget
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IF I PLAYED

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ON DUSK

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ITD HAVE 100% WON

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šŸ’”

knotty zodiac
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would 2x have won?

bronze widget
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80k

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on plasma thats only like 1.2x

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yeah true

knotty zodiac
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so no

bronze widget
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its cause my last flush did 700k lmao

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blinds 100k

knotty zodiac
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ya w bloodstone safer to assume like 10-20% proc usually

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annoying to do the math tho, i get it

ruby vessel
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Outrageous!!! Wdym I have to do math in my math game

knotty zodiac
ruby vessel
knotty zodiac
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website. input hand and jokers, get score range

storm dome
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burglar now or wait like 2 antes more

bronze widget
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variation is so big

ruby vessel
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Yah I was being sarcastic. Tho I usually only do math when buying stuff to see how much of a difference it makes. I feel like if u track how much u score each hand u can kinda get a feel for whether u can win or not

knotty zodiac
slim swift
ruby vessel
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Unless it’s for like trying to gauge value of playing extra hands vs taking the money

knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
bleak blaze
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0/10 game

frank grove
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hmm šŸ¤”

knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
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i think calculating what your hand will score should be a base option

ruby vessel
cloud sinew
ruby vessel
frank grove
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yeah im thinking purple too

bronze widget
cloud sinew
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but im saying it should be in vanilla

ruby vessel
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Ah ok

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Tbh I like not calculating sometimes

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Makes me feel like I’m actually gambling lol

still fox
bronze widget
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is bull even worth it

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do i do 1 joker riff raff or sell bull/rebate?

cloud sinew
bronze widget
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rebates got 2 rounds left

cloud sinew
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so you died

still fox
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thanks

knotty zodiac
bronze widget
cloud sinew
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playing the challenge where you lose handsize for every $5 you have, and you have $90 😭

ruby vessel
still fox
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must have gotten so much money i forgot to spent it

knotty zodiac
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purple seems a bit greedy?

idle kernel
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Anyone else like ride the bus

knotty zodiac
ruby vessel
knotty zodiac
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(jk)

cloud sinew
pale wolf
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that is a developable skill you remove from the game

knotty zodiac
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well, we could hide interim scores too

pale wolf
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part of playing fast is knowing how much youll score

bronze widget
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it came back..

cloud sinew
ruby vessel
knotty zodiac
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i think theres a tedium continuum and not displaying scores is on the wrong side

pale wolf
knotty zodiac
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skill expression is not always a good thing

cloud sinew
pale wolf
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huge L takes all around

knotty zodiac
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we could hide deck view

pale wolf
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you all fail

cloud sinew
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more skill expression does not automatically mean its a better game

pale wolf
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goodbye

knotty zodiac
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we could hide jokers after you buy them

bronze widget
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you are supposed to lose cause you didnt score enough

knotty zodiac
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thats... not very interesting skill expression

cloud sinew
bronze widget
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if you scored enough its 1. you couldnt score enough, calculator does nothing, 2 you chose to be greedy, part of the fun

iron vigil
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I personally would like a base score calculator in the game

cloud sinew
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that doesnt mean it's a bad thing to add

knotty zodiac
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moot point ofc bc thunk's mind seems made up

cloud sinew
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it doesnt give you any new information, it just makes it less annoying to figure it out

cloud sinew
slim swift
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fantastic run

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no ecto, but that's okay

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sock/idol stay goated

foggy sun
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who up hacking their 5's

frank grove
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I think adding a calculator doesnt really remove any of the thinking

cloud sinew
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and this wouldnt make my brain stop working

frank grove
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it just takes a step away from players that already were using it

versed sable
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calculator ā‰ˆ save scum just before hand finishes scoring ā‰ˆ doing the math yourself
all have the same result, with various levels of inconvinience

viral raft
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people who have ++ in they names to feel superior from others, which one is better? Shoot the moon or 4$ buffon pack?

viral raft
cloud sinew
viral raft
versed sable
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i can't estimate if my hand will score enough to get me to 4050, or if it's gonna end up at 3988
calc and save scum just save time if you already know all the values that will affect the hand

viral raft
cloud sinew
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how does a calculator cause that

iron vigil
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Without a calculator you might aswell do the same

versed sable
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you'll.. still have to know how the game works
calc is QOL once you already know how to play the game well
it doesn't make you do terrible plays and then check a calc

viral raft
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Both are nice tbh, well done Lilo :D!

frank grove
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new players would do this sure, but calc are most useful for players that are trying to squeeze value from the rounds

viral raft
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i'll take Crazy joker for now

foggy sun
knotty zodiac
# cloud sinew localthunk doesnt like the scoring system because of the need to calculate your ...

sure, but here's the full context

In Balatro, my personal belief is that the game is more fun when you set up your Rube Goldberg machine and watch it go before knowing whether or not the hand will win the round. This adds some drama and suspense for players that don't feel like they need to know the exact score before pressing play. This has a pretty large design flaw though: Balatro is also a strategy game and not giving the player this tool is basically just poor quality of life for players that want to min-max their strategy, since they will want to do that legwork anyway.

The solutions are to either move the information horizon to the point the game currently displays, which would require making Joker effects or card bonuses fuzzy (like Misprint, for example), OR it would require a perfect score preview that, IMO, would make the game less fun for a large contingent of players that enjoy the pageantry of the chips ticking up, the fire, the drama, the excitement when you barely make it past the blind. I am in that contingent of players, and ultimately I designed this game for me, so even if it does put some players off I need to stay true to my preferences.

foggy sun
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I prefer suffering and calcualting the hands myself because then its my fault if i lose

knotty zodiac
knotty zodiac
frank grove
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I think thunks opinions generally have changed a lot since 2024 and since he finished c++

viral raft
heavy heron
viral raft
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i used to think baron was nice before my first c++

viral raft
cloud sinew
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he also said "This is all to say, the criticism is 100% warranted and not something I think has a clear and simple answer. I wish it did - and I have spent a long time trying to come up with a theoretical solution to no avail. Really if I wanted to create a game without this design issue, I don't think an experience like Balatro could really exist."

brittle umbra
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Can the fool copy the soul ?

cloud sinew
versed sable
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fool can't copy spectrals at all

brittle umbra
viral raft
knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
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well yes

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my point was that it's a design flaw and that localthunk agrees

knotty zodiac
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tldr- it's tough, here's the tradeoff, i get some ppl arent happy but here's where i'm at

nocturne veldt
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certified dogshit

cloud sinew
knotty zodiac
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he specifically calls out the flaw that you mention and then dismisses it in the final decision

viral raft
spark mirage
cloud sinew
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instead of being one or the other always

heavy heron
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there’s pros to a calc button and pros to not having one.. hard to find a solution

spark mirage
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You can just mod?

frank grove
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but not everyone can

cloud sinew
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you're forgetting that non-PC platforms exist

iron vigil
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I would like to compare this to the game's speed option, can you imagine if the game was stuck at 1x speed instead of considering qol options for players?

frank grove
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most of the players are on mobile not pc

heavy heron
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yup

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moniker

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MOBILER

spark mirage
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There exists a mobile moding thing right

cloud sinew
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nope!

iron vigil
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...and even if there existed one

viral raft
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personal experience

cloud sinew
iron vigil
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Yup

viral raft
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imo the game should just add a quick calc like the mod and also fix the save scumming exploit

spark mirage
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Hm, I mean I am not against adding a calc and not with it too
Like I have lost runs because I have been off a few numbers because I was greeding but idk

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I have nothing to contribute to this conversation sorry

cloud sinew
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dw

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we're here to discuss after all

viral raft
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so make save scumming allowed before the scoring of cards/jokers finish

spark mirage
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Hands can slip in shop too tho

viral raft
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making save scumming on packs msot of the time can be used as a way to know rng stuff

heavy heron
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i’ve actually died because i didn’t savescum in time trying to greed something

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a calc button would’ve helped..

foggy sun
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this run is def gonna go far now right

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because we got ice cream

heavy heron
frank grove
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we love purple seals, and wee šŸ”„

heavy heron
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take it

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full house levels go hard

viral raft
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maybe they could add something like Mewgenics? that you're allowed to savescum just once

knotty zodiac
viral raft
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allowing you to save scum on shops and scoring just 1-3 times per run

heavy heron
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immediate scoring help

knotty zodiac
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warning dialogs are way worse than scummability

viral raft
cloud sinew
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a hand confirm button, a sell confirm button

foggy sun
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what is this seed 😭

knotty zodiac
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this game already has a ton of bugs... exploding the number of configs to test would prob be a disaster

iron vigil
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yes bro might as well 😭

ancient gyro
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first message I see coming here today joehusk

cloud sinew
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you're not adding super complex features

knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
knotty zodiac
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i used to do webdev... toggles are the worst

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you never catch all the cases

viral raft
foggy sun
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"yo bro, make the run seeded, but dont make it obvious"

bronze widget
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i didnt see the blind and took 2 ectos for the funny lmao

ancient gyro
heavy heron
foggy sun
knotty zodiac
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at a certain point, the game is envisioned to play a certain way by a dev, and you take it, leave it, or mod it

better than trying to be all things to all ppl

viral raft
bronze widget
frank grove
cloud sinew
ancient gyro
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as if you are in a position to criticize

cloud sinew
knotty zodiac
cloud sinew
frank grove
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sure calc does change the game, but the confirm buttons dont at all

cloud sinew
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and its worse to encourage people to pull out an actual calculator imo

viral raft
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idk lowkey makes sense that evil H is in mewgenics, still stupid tbh

cloud sinew
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not here

ancient gyro
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i can make do without a calc in the game for impression related reasons for other games

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doing more thinking yourself vs letting the game do it for you and focus on what you get away with after

frank grove
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I dont think it needs a calc but i think run info could show what your last hands scored or something that could be kinda useful, some people do start a run and then finish it a day or so later when theyre not busy

frank grove
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multiplayer only shows highest score right? but something like that sure

cloud sinew
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no it isnt

knotty zodiac
# frank grove sure calc does change the game, but the confirm buttons dont at all

sure it does. what do you confirm, and what do you not? what should the default be? is there some threshold? what if the player gets comfy and now gets caught out on a different case? does the avg time to play increase and cause a dropoff in player retention bc it feels tedious, even if they could go and turn it back off?

it's simple from a player's pov but not from the game designer's

viral raft
cloud sinew
cloud sinew
ancient gyro
frank grove
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does thunk care about player retention?

heavy heron
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[probably not]

cloud sinew
knotty zodiac
ancient gyro
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indie developers have other priorities

viral raft
solid bronze
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you WILL spam pairs and you WILL love it

cloud sinew
frank grove
cloud sinew
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he's a hobbyist at heart

frank grove
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he just made a game that got popular

heavy heron
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he made a game for his family and friends

cloud sinew
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^ he initially expected to sell 6 copies

heavy heron
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according to that one video everybody saw

viral raft
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localthunk literally just wanted to make a funny game as a hobby and then he sees his game on the GOTYs, so cool

solid bronze
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whole chat of c++ and i'm this gif of "random kid" oops

heavy heron
ancient gyro
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he likes to make games as a hobby and prefers to make games that are for the purpose of playing in his irl social bubble. a game made special that way, for his few somebody's

viral raft
ruby vessel
solid bronze
ruby vessel
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(He lowkey earned the vacation)

foggy pond
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What change today android update?

viral raft
solid bronze
knotty zodiac
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ig what im saying is what looks like "add a toggle" to a user is not so simple to a designer. even if we ignore player retention (which is a decent proxy for player satisfaction if we dont use evil fomo design patterns), there's ease of use, test, and a number of other considerations

viral raft
heavy heron
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considering i’m c++ myself i’d consider what i said banter

ancient gyro
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not that c++ amounts to anything

heavy heron
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literally

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LOOLLLL

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c++ means nothing

viral raft
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i'm going to get my 4th c++ and i still feel like a completly dumb ass ngl

heavy heron
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ok goodbye wifi

cloud sinew
ancient gyro
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asking for inevitable encounters

solid bronze
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wooow
synergy of the year

viral raft
knotty zodiac
viral raft
heavy heron
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i’m good ty

viral raft
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i saw the @ on colour and i thought that the ping would proc

ancient gyro
viral raft
cloud sinew
ancient gyro
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black deck squimbo

knotty zodiac
# cloud sinew "test"?

"does your game work in every configuration? what about after a balance patch? how do you know?"

heavy heron
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sorry i cant read im a balatro player