🕹・game-discussion

[brave goblet]

and oujia

ye

[noble mango]

idk
maybe boot is gay

[undone talon]

insert speed: BYE BYE RUSSIA!! 🔥

[stuck finch]

Never forget the time I had a run where I got two banana jokers and they all went extinct after one round.

[frank grove]

i think i tycoon here for more deaths/strengths and hanged men right?

[tranquil cedar]

wearing boots makes you zesty theory

[noble mango]

i reposted this shit multiple times
still funny

[brave goblet]

sure, you're locked in

[undone talon]

whatttttttttttt

[brave goblet]

hope you're comfortable with your jonkers

[undone talon]

WHATTTTT

wtfff

[tranquil cedar]

oh, ante one Cavendish- holy shit

[stuck finch]

that is painful...

[echo sphinx]

bro i cant scale anything

my most played hand is flush FIVE

[stuck finch]

My most played is probably uh.... two pair or flush

[tranquil cedar]

oh... welcome back??

WHAT THE FUCK THIS IS INSANE

1 in a 1 000 000 btw

[clear mulch]

have you seen cowboys?

sooo many twinks

[tranquil cedar]

i wish i had

[noble mango]

can someone edit funny sound to this

[stuck finch]

yeehaw pardner

[tranquil cedar]

neuron activation

[clear mulch]

"i like men 🤠 " said every cowboy ever

[undone talon]

i see a straight flush

[noble mango]

mind the cavendish spawning chance

and it's foil

[tranquil cedar]

y'know what

deadass

I'm investigating on ts

[stuck finch]

dallas cowboys

[noble mango]

on in a krillion

[clear mulch]

sure them too

[frank grove]

hmm i wonder if i win 😭

[noble mango]

you what m8

[clear mulch]

no

[tranquil cedar]

I need foil%, common%, and a list of all common jokers that can spawn rn

[noble mango]

nah id win

[clear mulch]

no, it's the cowboys who say that. I, on the other hand, am the other kind of gay

[undone talon]

shitstone rng failed lmaooo

[tranquil cedar]

wait cavendish on ante 1 boss implies michel dying on big blind

[stuck finch]

LOL

[shell dagger]

the fact that it is foil does not matter imo

since you would be equally surprised regardless of edition

[clear mulch]

banana

[tranquil cedar]

it's just an extra coincidence

[tranquil cedar]

but think... bigger number...

[stuck finch]

Would it have mattered if it was Holographic?

[shell dagger]

no

[noble mango]

this photo is also cursed

[clear mulch]

ew 😢

[stuck finch]

also nothing says shitty luck like getting a negative Cavendish.

[noble mango]

like
what are the chances

[tranquil cedar]

wait does shop 1 always have a buffoon pack?

[clear mulch]

why

its good

[noble mango]

you just noticed?

[tranquil cedar]

😭😭 OMG YES

[clear mulch]

its hardcoded

[knotty zodiac]

yes guaranteed

[tranquil cedar]

HOW DID I NOT REALIZE

[stuck finch]

until it goes extinct and your joker space decreases

[noble mango]

that baboon back is always there

[echo sphinx]

guys what do i take

[tranquil cedar]

i literally have like 5 gs wins bro 🥹

[knotty zodiac]

itd be kinda awful dying bc you never saw a joker and not your fault

[shell dagger]

you see 1.43 jokers per shop screen on average, there are 61 common jokers but ticket won’t have been available and michel/cav can’t be offered at the same time (59)

[clear mulch]

i dont see a problem

[tranquil cedar]

nice to always see a balloon pack

[knotty zodiac]

buffoon prevents

[echo sphinx]

i could grab that 8ball

[noble mango]

woman

[echo sphinx]

h m

[tranquil cedar]

that's right we have to take into account consumables

[knotty zodiac]

u know u want it

[clear mulch]

not..enough 😡

[echo sphinx]

but i already have enough tarots

i have 2 tarotgen

just a simple rare and perkeo

[versed sable]

standard pack for vaga ig

[noble mango]

women
what joker will be replaced with 8 ball
your lineup is already good

[tranquil cedar]

commons had like a 80% to appear right?

[cloud sinew]

70%

[tranquil cedar]

or 70%

[echo sphinx]

vagabond

[tranquil cedar]

yeah

[tranquil cedar]

why is your pfp a menstrual cycle

[cloud sinew]

70/25/5, common/uncommon/rare

[undone talon]

??

[noble mango]

wtf did i just read

[tranquil cedar]

great thanks

[undone talon]

is this simplified ratio?

[tranquil cedar]

you haven't watched that episode okay

😭😭

[undone talon]

because there are 20 rares

[tranquil cedar]

it's a good way to get around town that's what it is

[noble mango]

never did

[undone talon]

shit stone!

[clear mulch]

its the chance a common, uncommon or rare spawns inshop

[stuck finch]

I love Blueprint

[tranquil cedar]

mine looks almost the same wth

[undone talon]

ohhh tysm

[knotty zodiac]

throwback top 10 ⏭️⏭️⏭️

[undone talon]

why isnt mime on here lmao

[clear mulch]

blicked 😢😢😢

[noble mango]

i barely watch family guy

i actually never
other than watching the memes

[tranquil cedar]

okay so 7/10 to get a common and 1/59 to get cavendish

anyone knows joker%?

[tranquil cedar]

the DO 😍😍😍😍😍

[clear mulch]

meow%

[stuck finch]

I love that joker design

[noble mango]

i mean idk

there's megatron, a baby, petah, woman, a dog, and what, wheelchair guy ig

[clear mulch]

im crying 😭

[versed sable]

my favorite speedrun

[tranquil cedar]

no like what's the chance to get a joker

[clear mulch]

meow

%

[tranquil cedar]

mrrp

[clear mulch]

you win

[noble mango]

:3

[clear mulch]

:3c

[cloud sinew]

the game picks the Type (joker, planet, tarot, spectral, playing card) first.
if it's a joker card;
then the game picks the Rarity
then the game picks a Joker within that Rarity

[noble mango]

mrrrroooww

[clear mulch]

maiwaowoamow

[versed sable]

[tranquil cedar]

cat shelter

[noble mango]

🐟

[tranquil cedar]

you know what that means

[clear mulch]

FISH

[versed sable]

[tranquil cedar]

lmao this is so stupid 😭😭😭😭

[cloud sinew]

so if there would be Madness in the shop but you already have Madness, it will always be replaced with another uncommon, unless you have every uncommon joker and showman's effect isnt active

[noble mango]

hold on i forgot the video

[versed sable]

YEAH
i love it

[clear mulch]

me when right click > clone emoji

[noble mango]

best emoji of this week

[versed sable]

[tranquil cedar]

who then becomes jimbo

[light brook]

me

[shell dagger]

20/28, you see 1.43 jokers per shop screen

[noble mango]

who tf is linus actually

[tranquil cedar]

we send the whole emoji. that's 300% more emoji per emoji.

[frank grove]

maybe the freest win ive got in a while

[versed sable]

[versed sable]

one of my friends

[noble mango]

uh

[tranquil cedar]

Stardew guy

[versed sable]

orca-vaporeon thingy

:3

[clear mulch]

no, im cloning the emoji to my server for personal use

[light brook]

ain’t he the mf from charlie brown

[clear mulch]

its just so good

[stuck finch]

based

[noble mango]

that's different guy kinda

[noble mango]

oc?

[versed sable]

yes

[tranquil cedar]

🐟 ‼️‼️‼️

[clear mulch]

ohh

sorry im gay

and stupid

[noble mango]

guh how yall draw ocs from your head

[undone talon]

sorry im gay is mental

[clear mulch]

i just imagine tgem

[versed sable]

i don't
i don't have art skill
:3

[clear mulch]

idk how to draw

[light brook]

bro added a fun fact

[cloud sinew]

20/28, jokers have a weight of 20, and planets and tarots each have a weight of 4 at base.
so weight of jokers / sum of all weights = odds of getting a joker per slot, and then you multiply that by how many slots you have to see the expected value (mean) number of jokers per roll

[clear mulch]

it IS a fun fact

[noble mango]

like
i imagined them
very clearly

but when i wento to ibis paint

my art become ass

[versed sable]

i have a sticker for this
(actually i have like 5 of the same sticker)

[tranquil cedar]

awesome

[light brook]

just use ai duh 🙄/j

[clear mulch]

computah

show sticker

[shell dagger]

remove the h

[versed sable]

no sticker perms in this server
lol

it just insta deletes

[noble mango]

jok r

[cloud sinew]

just use ai du

[clear mulch]

computah, make these two guys super gay

[light brook]

wait i thought hj was heavy joke is it not

[brave fox]

Yall think I should sell greedy and try out this poly bus? Haven't used that joker in forever lol

[versed sable]

half

[shell dagger]

i thought it was half joke(r)

[tranquil cedar]

so the chance to get at least one joker would be (20/28) · (8/28) + (20/28) · (20/28)???

[stuck finch]

❤️

[light brook]

oh yeah okay removing h

[clear mulch]

evaluate

NOW

[noble mango]

ai can't do shit making the oc in my head be real

(it's so very different)

[tranquil cedar]

WHAT

[clear mulch]

just multiplicate and add

[brave fox]

I like spectral joker too is hard to choose lol

[clear mulch]

ok ill do it on my own

[tranquil cedar]

ohh

[tranquil cedar]

no no

I'm calcing

[noble mango]

he reminds me of ishowspeed doing that laugh thing

[undone talon]

am i the only one that always takes charm tags in ante 1 to try get soul and reset if i dont

[light brook]

but at least it wastes water am i right

[tranquil cedar]

anyone new to the stream calc is short for calculator

[versed sable]

[clear mulch]

(20/28) · (8/28) = 160/28^2

and im lazy

go calc it

[bold shadow]

I think I’m doing good

[noble mango]

not calculus?

[frank grove]

gg 🔥

[light brook]

chat can this naneinf

[clear mulch]

im using slang

[undone talon]

the blueprint is doing loads

[versed sable]

i relate to that blueprint

[undone talon]

he js needs nat neg showman

[cloud sinew]

slang is slang for shortened language

[shell dagger]

why is 20/28 * 8/28 relevant

[knotty zodiac]

calcification

[noble mango]

resisting the urge to say suboptimal joker layout

[light brook]

what about the paradoelia

[clear mulch]

you mean ang? (slang for slang)

[cloud sinew]

i be shortened languaging it

[light brook]

“shortened language” br is nt shkspr 🥀

[bold shadow]

How should I do it I just got blueprint

[undone talon]

lmaooo

[knotty zodiac]

here for the newspeak

[clear mulch]

holy paragraph not reading all that

[noble mango]

f u wnt 2 shr lang tht mch

[clear mulch]

TRANSLATING INTO SLANG

hl prgf nt rdng ll dt

[undone talon]

what does that even mean

[tranquil cedar]

okay so the probability of Cavendish is the chance of a common joker multiplied by the chance for it to be Cavendish????

[light brook]

ty 4 shrtng it

[noble mango]

mind the michelle

[versed sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1389908172461838478/1420135653273768118/wiggler.gif?ex=6a018aa4&is=6a003924&hm=0f28e16134951689fa348301d072420b65a4490852d2173bf1617abd96d66dce&

[clear mulch]

np

[tranquil cedar]

"shkspr" b n shp 💔💔

[clear mulch]

TRANSLATING INTO SLANG

ⁿ

[tranquil cedar]

michel is dead

cav should be 1/59?

[versed sable]

Telepathy

[noble mango]

look like that sylpheon's wife

[light brook]

“b n shp” n sp 💔

[noble mango]

wait hold on im wrong

[clear mulch]

tlpt (ng 4 telephaty)

[shell dagger]

chance of seeing michel in shop 1 is about 3.43(0.75)(1/59)
shop 2 onwards is more awkward to calculate bc buffoon pack isn’t guaranteed

[clear mulch]

ng is slang for slang btw

[shell dagger]

it’s easier to ignore blocking in the calculation

[tranquil cedar]

"sp" 💔

[clear mulch]

btw is slang for by the way

[shell dagger]

and it doesn’t affect it much

[versed sable]

it's just shiny umbreon qwq

[noble mango]

brnmim

[echo sphinx]

have fun

[noble mango]

i barely know pokemon so . . .

well all i know was something like ditto

[echo sphinx]

this run contains:
blueprint
brainstorm
perkeo

[shell dagger]

oops i forgot second pack can also be a buffoon

[versed sable]

[green apex]

yo mee too

relatable

[undone talon]

shiny maxing

[stuck finch]

oh shit, not the negative death traots

[echo sphinx]

most played hand being flush five is a bit lmao

[clear mulch]

umbreon

[tranquil cedar]

okay so it's gonna be 0.343 multiplied by all the other stuff?

[light brook]

gay tarot and gay rights hell yeah

[versed sable]

ya

[echo sphinx]

flushfiveslop

[undone talon]

lmaooo

[clear mulch]

yo its me colored

[green apex]

yoo blue stake zodiac win too

[shell dagger]

3.43 is supposed to be how many jokers you see in shop 1 but it’s wrong

[undone talon]

noiceeee

[echo sphinx]

nice

[shell dagger]

bc i forgot second pack can also be a buffoon

[light brook]

gay tarot>

[shell dagger]

im choosing to ignore judgement

[tranquil cedar]

ohhh

[clear mulch]

i'm the empress

polychrome empress

[tranquil cedar]

better for ourselves

[stuck finch]

gayrot?

[cloud sinew]

arguably doesnt matter because it's usually not affordable on 12/15 decks on red stake+

[shell dagger]

true if you’re playing normally ig

[tranquil cedar]

in his situation he could've only afford it if he had found an expensive joker and sold it, right?

[shell dagger]

you’d only take the second buffoon if the first buffoon was ass

[noble mango]

do you know clodsire

[terse imp]

what should i turn into a joker

[cloud sinew]

there are a number of ways, but they arent likely.

[light brook]

the lady who reads my tarot is a lesbian and she does it in her closet that smells heavily of weed but it’s lowkey chill because she my friend

[noble mango]

H A M B U R G E R

[tranquil cedar]

sure let's ignore them then

[terse imp]

ok what hamburger

[light brook]

burger????

[cloud sinew]

plant based whopper

[stuck finch]

a wendy's burger

[tranquil cedar]

so let's use 0.343 as the Michele probability

[shell dagger]

what’s 0.343 other than 3.43/10

[noble mango]

hamburger cheezburger bigmac whopper
hamburger cheezburger big mac whopper
big mac big mac whopper whopper

[tranquil cedar]

wait so I'm wrong

[light brook]

if 0.343 is your power, what are you without it 🤔

[tranquil cedar]

3.43 is in %?

[shell dagger]

3.43 is kinda like the binomial coefficient

[tranquil cedar]

so then it's 0.0343

[shell dagger]

except it’s not an integer so it’s not really

it’s basically how many trials are run

[undone talon]

binomial coefficient?

[tranquil cedar]

but 1 is the whole probability

[undone talon]

this is the balatro server bro

[terse imp]

one only please

[shell dagger]

unfortunately balatro attracts a bunch of nerds

[cloud sinew]

yeah and we're doing nerd stuff

we're doing balatro math

[tranquil cedar]

yay i love math

[light brook]

wait what are we calcing (short for calculating)

[terse imp]

ykw im turning caseoh into a joker

[tranquil cedar]

makes me feel smart even though im an idiot

[shell dagger]

odds of seeing 2 cav deaths by the end of round 4

[tranquil cedar]

chance of that cav bullshit

[noble mango]

just make a hamburger on your own actually

or if you wanna be wild about it

it gets a layer when you do a specific hand

like flush = steak or pair = pickles

[undone talon]

i need to know abt binomial coefficient for further maths lmao

[hearty tusk]

LETS RUN IT AGAIN

[terse imp]

mehh too lazy

[clear mulch]

run what again

[tranquil cedar]

im gonna get a pen and paper

i need to note ts down

[noble mango]

ok then hornet hollo knight

[undone talon]

guarana!

[noble mango]

adino

[tranquil cedar]

brazilian Hornet theory

[light brook]

so the scenario is michel round1 which dies, cav round 2 that dies, and new cave round 3 that dies, correct?

[noble mango]

shaw!

[shell dagger]

yeah

[undone talon]

team cherry sold when they didnt use the original voice lines

Sea of sorrow this month? 🙏

[noble mango]

fact

[versed sable]

Shaw game

[light brook]

that’s a 1/6 million no?

[noble mango]

what about that lil guy that rings his lil bell at a door

[undone talon]

???

[shell dagger]

less likely than that

[clear mulch]

just a lil guy

[noble mango]

silsong

[light brook]

1/6 * 1/1000 * 1/1000 right

[shell dagger]

michel isn’t guaranteed to be offered in a shop etc

[noble mango]

silsong guy

[frank grove]

yeah cause finding a michel and then a cav and then a cav back to back to back is really unlikely

[clear mulch]

ya

[light brook]

ohhh i see

[undone talon]

everyone in silksong is little?

which little bug bro

[tranquil cedar]

okay so what I'm understanding rn is

[P(gros in shop) + P(gros in pack)] · [P(cav shop 2) + P(buffoon pack) · P(cav in pack)]

[noble mango]

uhh then the guy that uses bell and sings at a door

[undone talon]

in bellhart?

[clear mulch]

you need parenthesis

[hearty tusk]

What i have been crying and bitching about

[tranquil cedar]

indeed I just noticed

[clear mulch]

meow

[light brook]

wait if a cav dies is it able to come back?

[hearty tusk]

Black deck1😛😛😛

[noble mango]

uhh no he's like in multiple places

one at the front door
one at the spa
one at i forgot

[light brook]

huh the more you know

okay we’re opening desmos

[noble mango]

the door wehre you open by hitting a lever

[brave goblet]

imagine if if cavendish dies it comes back as a blue java

[undone talon]

SHERMAAAAA

[tranquil cedar]

is this correct

[light brook]

so the chance for a michel is 1/144 if i understand correctly

[noble mango]

oh right

[undone talon]

sherma my boy

[light brook]

150 jokers-5 legendaries and cav

[noble mango]

fah ri do la si ma net

[shell dagger]

no

[noble mango]

rares got different chance

[terse dock]

and so do uncs

[light brook]

i figured

[undone talon]

🤣

[shell dagger]

chance of a joker in a slot is 5/7, chance of a joker being common is 0.75, chance of a common being michel (in shop 1) is 1/59

[noble mango]

yeah yo uncs are diffin

[tranquil cedar]

P(joker) · P(common joker) · P(gros)

[clear mulch]

WAIT

times shop slots

!!!

[light brook]

ok desmos me go

[light brook]

2 slots bc it’s ante 1

[tranquil cedar]

I took into account both combinations for that thing i said before

((20÷28)×(20÷28)+(20÷28)×(8÷28))

[undone talon]

desmos >>>>>>>>>>>>> geogebra

[tranquil cedar]

sometimes i enjoy geogebra more

[clear mulch]

dont you understand i am not smartsss

[tranquil cedar]

but generally yes

[tranquil cedar]

mf me neither 😭

[shell dagger]

has anyone bothered to figure out the average number of jokers seen in buffoon packs in a given shop after shop 1

the numbers are all there on the wiki

i should be studying eigenfunctions of the laplacian instead

[tranquil cedar]

im going

[clear mulch]

go study it

[tranquil cedar]

ts needs to be done

[terse dock]

Common is 0.7 innit

[shell dagger]

maybe idk

[tranquil cedar]

give me half an hour and I'll have it (I'm slow)

[shell dagger]

is it 0.7/0.25/0.05?

[terse dock]

I think uncs are 25 not 20

yeah

[shell dagger]

ok fair

[noble mango]

i even forgot the video

[buoyant stratus]

I have a question about your name

[undone talon]

i love flush

[undone talon]

im doing royal flush build rn

see

[clear mulch]

he means the toilet

[undone talon]

how dare u

[light brook]

so the chance for a michel shop 1 is 15/1652 or (5/7)x(3/4)x(1/59)

[noble mango]

ye he has 2

[buoyant stratus]

I assumed

Is the lover part supposed to be a joke about lovers making it easier to make flushes?

[noble mango]

crazy seed ig

[undone talon]

🥲

irrational flush hate

[clear mulch]

i don't think he tought that far if he likes flushes

[undone talon]

im deeply offended

[clear mulch]

its not even hate

[buoyant stratus]

I like flushes too

[clear mulch]

this was mean

[undone talon]

yay

[cloud sinew]

that isnt true

[clear mulch]

sorri

[light brook]

i was jus checking to see if my math was right

[cloud sinew]

commons are 7/10, and you have 2 slots to see jokers in, and theres a buffoon pack you see 2 jokers in, and a chance at a 2nd buffoon pack

[undone talon]

well we have an invisible now

[undone talon]

its all good dw

do we double up on the chad

[tranquil cedar]

would the pack add to the probability?

[light brook]

could the buffoon pack be one of the 4 ones or does it need to be one of the ones with 2

[noble mango]

he likes to do flushes

like fartstone
arrohed
onixagt
rogem
ratfull joker
luffy joker
gutonus jonkler
geedy jokr
rafty joekr
troll joeker
za tribe
AJ

oh yes

[tranquil cedar]

like it's P(gros shop) + P(gros pack)??

[undone talon]

yes

thats me

[light brook]

yeah sum with joker order

[tranquil cedar]

okay so

[buoyant stratus]

Ancient joker?

[neon cobalt]

hello...

[cloud sinew]

the guaranteed buffoon pack is always a regular buffoon pack, but the 2nd pack can be any

[buoyant stratus]

Hell o

[neon cobalt]

bello

[shell dagger]

the pack increases the number of trials

[cloud sinew]

also increases the odds per trial because of blocking

[light brook]

is there just one guaranteed buffoon pack in ante 1?

[frank grove]

yeah so the second pack has a 5.35% for normal buffoon, 2.68% for jumbo buffoon and 0.67% for mega buffoon right in first shop

[cloud sinew]

yes

[noble mango]

jello

[shell dagger]

ignoring blocking is easiest for independence and i dont think it affects it much

[light brook]

kay so there’s a lot of variables here

[cloud sinew]

yes

[neon cobalt]

Btw diamonds best suit

[light brook]

so there’s gonna need to be a lot of assuming

[noble mango]

no it's pades

[neon cobalt]

aint no one using poophead

[cloud sinew]

you don't really need to assume, but you should ignore some things as theyre negligible

[noble mango]

can we agree on one thing

shitstone is ass

[undone talon]

i hear it

noooooooooo

ill back it forever

i did lose a run like an hour ago w it

but that doesnt count

[noble mango]

rough gem is a pretty nice econ

[undone talon]

it is

[neon cobalt]

shitstone has aura tho...

[undone talon]

but objectively yes bloodstone is shit

because ancient is js better

js deck fix w wild cards

[noble mango]

valid

[neon cobalt]

rough gem is the best tho

[undone talon]

arrowhead is nice on plasma

[tranquil cedar]

Ignoring Judgement, and imagining you can only buy 1 buffoon pack in shop 1, the probability of finding a gros Michel in shop 1 (if I'm not mistaken) is 0.0079968 in 1

[noble mango]

i mean money is money but id rather go rebate

[tranquil cedar]

this is what i got at least

[undone talon]

obv rebate better but into endless rough gem can be good

[tranquil cedar]

(finding and obtaining it, that is)

which is like 0.8%

[frank grove]

also there is another variable: riff raff

[tranquil cedar]

okay so I'm wrong actually

[brave fox]

Fumbling on black deck as per usual 😭 I bet bus goes stupid with abandoned deck

[tranquil cedar]

i forgot buffoon packs have 2 jokers

[tranquil cedar]

okay ignoring riffraff

[echo sphinx]

u cant just ignore riffraff

[tranquil cedar]

I ignored judgement I will ignore riffraff

[frank grove]

riff raff is gaurenteed commons though

and no shop weight stuff

so thats also something

[noble mango]

judgement
bufoon pack
mega bufoon pack
jumbo bufoon pack
normal shop
reroll
judgement from arcana pack
judgement from arcana pack +
jusdgement from the big arcana pack
riff raff
riff raff from judgement
top up tag

[frank grove]

but less important and mostly doesnt matter

[tranquil cedar]

okay sure so it adds 1/59 times 2/59

[undone talon]

so the game might be gone

banana has two rounds left

and im at start of ante 8

[echo sphinx]

make a skip

[frank grove]

I think its fine to ignore riff and judgement probably

[undone talon]

OH SHUIT

SKIP

ur right

[tranquil cedar]

exactly

[brave fox]

Yessir skip that

[light brook]

wait 59 there’s 61 common and cav is excluded what’s the other one

[tranquil cedar]

golden ticket

[light brook]

ohh that makes sense

changing calc

[frank grove]

you would still have to find a riff raff which is the same chances of finding a michel, it just increases the number of commons seen by two

[brave fox]

Munnie

[tranquil cedar]

okay now for shop 2 cav and Michel death

[cloud sinew]

i worked it out as 4.28% for a shop 1 gros michel

[frank grove]

yeah that seems about right

[tranquil cedar]

really?

[knotty zodiac]

so i didnt scroll up but is it basically within 5% of (1.4+2)/59?

[undone talon]

first gold stake ws in the chat

[undone talon]

btw thanks wldve lost without the advice

[light brook]

how are we calculating the buffoon pack, (just a (7/10)x(1/59)x2 right

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[queen cave]

my friend had these cards at school a few weeks back and i took a pic cause they reminded me of lucky cards

[vale shale]

Oh shoot I forgor to printscreen the other one

[queen cave]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1495187340522557464/1503029475963568248/IMG_6245.jpg?ex=6a01dcc8&is=6a008b48&hm=5b055fa209120cfeea94727c5857571a0b705421d232b229768f535410d6908c&=&format=webp&width=404&height=539

[echo sphinx]

yw

[cloud sinew]

you see 2 jokers

[tranquil cedar]

0.0112 is the chance for any joker to be gros

that's what I got

1.12%

[echo sphinx]

u also have to consider joker blocking

[tranquil cedar]

you have 0 jokers bro

[cloud sinew]

you dont

[tranquil cedar]

there is nothing to block

[frank grove]

joker blocking is kinda negligent here

[knotty zodiac]

tfw manslaughter

[echo sphinx]

shop can block 0, 1 or 2 commons

[cloud sinew]

ignoring blocking means you're still within ~10% of the real value without needing to do more complex math

[echo sphinx]

ic

[tranquil cedar]

oh, now I understand how you got 4%

i multiplied too much

if 1.12% is the chance for a gros then it's just that times four

[cloud sinew]

i also accounted for the 2nd pack, while you didnt

it doesnt really change it that much though

[frank grove]

yeah

[tranquil cedar]

i ignored the possibility to get that second pack since to buy it you also need more probabilities

in that game a 2nd pack couldn't have been bought

[frank grove]

yellow deck

[tranquil cedar]

max money you can have is 7$

[tranquil cedar]

yes and a low stake

wtv

[echo sphinx]

ten dollers is ten dollers

blue deck in fringe cases

[tranquil cedar]

what was that run's deck?

[echo sphinx]

green too

[tranquil cedar]

ok plasma

so no

there is no chance

2nd pack is only possible if you get a refund on the first

[knotty zodiac]

(1.4+2)*0.7/59 ~=4%

[frank grove]

plasma white you can open a base buffon and a jumbo

right

cause 10 dollars

[tranquil cedar]

is it white?

[echo sphinx]

wdym by plasma white

[tranquil cedar]

oh it is

okay my bad guys

2nd pack is possible

[light brook]

as much as i wanna help yall, i am absolutely not qualified/do not know enough about probability in the game for this so ill just spectate and leave yall to it

[frank grove]

and since the chances of a mega buffon in shop one are already so low it doesnt really change much though

[tranquil cedar]

which means 0.0535 + 0.0268 of a second pack you CAN buy

[tranquil cedar]

I'm looking at the wiki, I don't know shit either lmfao

[knotty zodiac]

wait why are we doing all this math?

[tranquil cedar]

2 cav deaths ante 1

[frank grove]

chance of michel in first shop, breaks, find a cav second, breaks, find a cav again, breaks

[cloud sinew]

well

[neon cobalt]

0% chance onb

[tranquil cedar]

yeah I just didn't want to type that much sorry

[shell dagger]

the seed was already found tho

[neon cobalt]

i say 0% chance it is 0%

[shell dagger]

by complete accident, nobody was searching for that criteria

[cloud sinew]

do you actually mean ante 1

or within 3 shops

[tranquil cedar]

yes as it's shown in the video

2nd death ante 2

small blind

[light brook]

no but i cant put the math tg right bc i haev 29813/3481000 (roughly 0.8%) for the michel shop 1

[tranquil cedar]

I got that too

until I realized my mistake

[cloud sinew]

okay i worked it out to be around 1 in 300,000,000

wait no

sorry

300,000,000,000

[tranquil cedar]

walkthrough please

[echo sphinx]

starting to think obelisk not doing much

[frank grove]

yeah 300bil sounds about right

[neon cobalt]

dont diss goatbelisk

[echo sphinx]

i took it cuz im alraedy buying every planet possible

and then in the end i just... didnt need it

cuz i oneshot without card sharp

without obelisk

[neon cobalt]

violet vessel 🤤

[echo sphinx]

wrong! 600k scoring

[chilly yew]

after talisman calculates it is there any way to skip all this

[iron vigil]

Crimson heart into red card into card sharp 😈

[echo sphinx]

still wins

[iron vigil]

does it

[tranquil cedar]

disable animations? also #⚙・modding-general

[iron vigil]

how big is your constellation

[echo sphinx]

im oneshotting with only constellation as my only xmult

5.2

[iron vigil]

damn

[cloud sinew]

~4.3% first shop gros
1/6 gros dies round 2
cavendish in 2nd shop is ~2.3% (same way as working out gros, but now you dont have a guaranteed buffoon)
1/1000 cavendish dies 3rd round
then repeat the cavendish steps again

[chilly yew]

oh yeah modding
I disabled them during it so RIP

[neon cobalt]

1.2m??? oh u barely make it

[tranquil cedar]

I'm gonna try and see what I get

but your answer seems reasonable

i just want to calculate it lmao

[echo sphinx]

its also not including obelisk

so im still super good

[cloud sinew]

so we should expect there to be 7 seeds that have 2 cavendishes destroyed within 4 rounds

[iron vigil]

Would ankh change these chances?

[neon cobalt]

either way its going to be acorn

[light brook]

kay i did the math myself and its at least 2

[tranquil cedar]

gah damn

[iron vigil]

also what about oops?

[cloud sinew]

those are negligible

[knotty zodiac]

so <1/1,000,000

[light brook]

we shoudl put a hunt for this out

[pale wolf]

somehow i dont think its a truly random distribution though

[echo sphinx]

agree

i have the knowledge that some seeds, when played on erratic, gives 52 of the exact same card and rank

[pale wolf]

btw just reposting this

[shell dagger]

SQVH6CZ8

[cloud sinew]

thats caused by a bug in the PRNG

[light brook]

thunk said a while back that like not even 1% of seeds have been found/played yet so the fact we found one this early is crazy

[neon cobalt]

i mean i can set up a search

[neon cobalt]

might take a bit

[knotty zodiac]

someone in modding general prob knows how to write the script for balatrobot to check all the seeds

[tranquil cedar]

okay so I have 4.65% of shop 1 gros accounting for both packs (except mega which you can't buy), ignoring Judgement and riffraff

[cloud sinew]

balatrobot...? i know how to write the script for immolate and just run it for a while

[echo sphinx]

so im kinda just making a logic leap
what if the game doesnt actually work like a true random when deicing jokers to show up

[cloud sinew]

but it would take quite a long time

[light brook]

dont even try, the games been out for 2 years and weve barely scratched the surface of seeds weve played

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt work like a "true random"

computers cant do true random

[echo sphinx]

ok yeah every run is seeded

[patent sail]

whats better to sticker, 6th sense or ice cream?

[tardy spade]

Spectral card idea: "Switches the current deck to any other deck"

[cloud sinew]

ice cream

[pale wolf]

you can search through the entire set of seeds for certain parameters though, thats already been done before

[frank grove]

yeah, how long did the erratic search take?

[pale wolf]

couple weeks with unoptimized hardware

[patent sail]

got it 🐎🔥 thamk you

[pale wolf]

not gpu stuff

[light brook]

the question is what is the possibility for a completely unwinnable seed (jk i dont htink we can calcualte this)

[knotty zodiac]

what is immolate?

balatrobot is code to programmatically interact with balatro

https://github.com/coder/balatrobot

[echo sphinx]

with perfect logic or on a blind run

[cloud sinew]

Immolate is a seed searching program

[light brook]

perfect logic

[echo sphinx]

idk

that shit involves scrying into the seed to make plays that wont be considered in a streaking mindset

[knotty zodiac]

i wonder how seed search interacts with gros/cav

[cloud sinew]

you need to come up with an unwinnable scenario first

[neon cobalt]

wtf is this?

[cloud sinew]

wdym "interacts"?

[echo sphinx]

the unwinnable has to be like idk

[frank grove]

like does it check to see if michel and cav breaks

[knotty zodiac]

you can write code to play the game

[echo sphinx]

if the entire shop is rental eternal showman

[pale wolf]

gros and cav are different jokers

oh

[knotty zodiac]

so you could do something like twitch plays balatro

[cloud sinew]

Immolate doesn't "play" the game, it searches the seeds for certain actions and events

[knotty zodiac]

actually i wonder if bala discord could play a gs black run and win

[light brook]

chnaces for that is so incredibly low i dont think its possible to be in the set of seeds we have

[echo sphinx]

big

[neon cobalt]

immolate is also way better optimized than this balatrobot thing as balatrobot seems to mainly be python+lua

[pale wolf]

if you dont pick up the showman then dupes of it can't appear

[light brook]

what if theres an easter egg seed thunk picked and we just havent found it yet 🤔

[cloud sinew]

showman doesnt work while in the shop slots so you can just not take showman

[echo sphinx]

thats not what i literally mean

[knotty zodiac]

i think u have to actually play the game to find out if gros pops tho? so use immo to narrow seeds and then balabot to play the matches

[cloud sinew]

we would have found it

[tranquil cedar]

okay I'm done I'm doing some bullshit atp lmao

[echo sphinx]

im saying it like
give the player nonscoring jokers

[neon cobalt]

i doubt it...

[echo sphinx]

and no planets

[neon cobalt]

i'm not a seed searcher but yk

[echo sphinx]

and no playing cards with editions

[light brook]

i dunno...

[knotty zodiac]

idk i have no exp with either tool

[tranquil cedar]

dataminers are insane don't underestimate them

[frank grove]

yeah we've seen the code, if there was an easter egg for seeds it would be in there

[light brook]

yknow honstely thats fair enough

[cloud sinew]

the first erratic 10 of spades seed(s) were found by datamining, not from someone just brute forcing or stumbling upon it

as its caused by a bug in the PRNG

[patent sail]

mr bones is gold now yayyyy

killed perkeo for bones to sticker him

[light brook]

i neevr took into accpunt datamining, i always assumed bugged/weird seeds were just stumbled upon

[pale wolf]

nope

[light brook]

which made me wonder how many mroe bugged seeds were out there, but apparently weve seen most if nto all because of datamining

[pale wolf]

balatro source code is v easy to look at

[errant knoll]

Black deck gold stake conquered

[cloud sinew]

every bugged seed has been found

[pale wolf]

well i cant count out the possibility of there being some other bug that hasnt been found/noticed

[knotty zodiac]

almost guaranteed that there are more bugs that are interesting

[light brook]

why do bugged seeds stop (thinking specifically the rares oonly seed, theres porbably others taht i cant think of) after ante 10 and not ante 8?

[cloud sinew]

uhhh

so

RNG events use keys for stuff

like

"tag1" for ante 1 tags, etc

when you get to ante 10

you increase the key length by 1

[neon cobalt]

easiest gold stake btw

[cloud sinew]

as it goes from tag9 to tag10

[light brook]

ohhhh i get it i think

[patent sail]

wow two of the completely stickerless jokers first pack

[cloud sinew]

misprint is goated

[pale wolf]

misp
rint!

[patent sail]

ofc

[echo sphinx]

misprinted m

[patent sail]

family isnt gonna do shit this early

[echo sphinx]

why does misprint look wrong

[cloud sinew]

https://github.com/WYXkk/balatro-bug-seed/blob/main/effects.md

[pale wolf]

for the temperance value ofc

[errant knoll]

Misprint respect? Unfathomable

[neon cobalt]

is that the family why does it look so weird

[patent sail]

hes animated

[echo sphinx]

or am i trippin

[pale wolf]

its a misprinted card

[patent sail]

animated

[echo sphinx]

ohhhhhh

[iron vigil]

oatedmisprint is g

[echo sphinx]

i meant like misprint is. misprinted which doesnt make sense

[errant knoll]

+0 mult

[iron vigil]

Animated cards

[patent sail]

aura mod my beloved

win a run

[light brook]

this is so cool

[barren tusk]

you buy it🥹

[light brook]

win a run

[errant knoll]

You have to fight back with more hate. Your hatred for Balatro must fuel you or else you won't succeed.

[light brook]

lock in

[errant knoll]

By being smart with your money and playing easy hands

[barren tusk]

git gud

[patent sail]

you could perhaps watch Balatro 101 by Balatro University to get some tips

[light brook]

i would suggest photochad but id be burnt at the stake

[errant knoll]

Balatro university helped me and so did that one other guy whose name I forgot

[noble mango]

Burnt stake when

[hearty tusk]

FUCK

[knotty zodiac]

i like bean and belenosbear

[patent sail]

BU is the best tbh

[pale wolf]

copyright infringement

🦓 jk

[noble mango]

Dang
Now i want a balatro phone casing

[light brook]

its called pittsburgh style

[pale wolf]

caligulator

[errant knoll]

ZainoTV was who I was thinking of

[noble mango]

Which jokers should i use as phone case decor

[cloud sinew]

castle

[light brook]

walkie talkie

[patent sail]

walkie talkie

[noble mango]

Anything that isn't photochad or baronmime

[patent sail]

DUDE

[pale wolf]

walkie talkie phone skin probably

[iron vigil]

Campfire

[noble mango]

It's going to stick at the back of my phone
That's literally all

[pale wolf]

how about stencil joker and you can see inside ur phone

carve it out

[cloud sinew]

thunk think u sigma

[pale wolf]

people with really good ideas

[patent sail]

sigma person

[light brook]

we did cool things

[noble mango]

Thunk think?

[cloud sinew]

i made the spinning gros michel, but i had the role before that

[light brook]

or in zebras case said the nword

[cloud sinew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1476285695738773645.webp?size=48&animated=true&name=bananaspin&lossless=true

[pale wolf]

do you ever think thunk thanked thonk?

[patent sail]

i triggered seance 3 times in one run, thats like pretty cool

am i worthy of being a Joker

[pale wolf]

nuh uh

[light brook]

this is the most jokers ive ever seen in one place lol

[cloud sinew]

localthunk should do a reset on 1.1 so that new jokers can rise from the ashes

[noble mango]

Im worse i think

[undone talon]

lilo i have a question

[cloud sinew]

yes

[undone talon]

if i got c++ on balatro but it was pirated cld i buy it on steam and load the save file for all achievements

[light brook]

yuh huh they gave you joker because you siad the word dont lie

[knotty zodiac]

imagine getting 149/150 and

wipe

[cloud sinew]

yes

[light brook]

there is gonna be a new bababa actually

[iron vigil]

3.5x mult so its different from cavendish

[patent sail]

^1 mult

[undone talon]

great

im buying it very soon

[light brook]

only joker confirmed for the new update

[undone talon]

we ❤️ localthunk

[pale wolf]

plantaaaaaiiiiinnn

[patent sail]

try what

[cloud sinew]

we know that there will be at least 2 jokers, but that one is the only one of the 2 that was shown

[undone talon]

new banana joker will go hard 🔥

[knotty zodiac]

i love me some hard banana

[light brook]

i think there was three shown, but two of em are just like 4 pixeks iirc

[noble mango]

Bananatro when

[knotty zodiac]

banatro

[undone talon]

[cloud sinew]

i dont know if those were new jokers

[undone talon]

we all do

[pale wolf]

theres gonna be at least 100.new jokers and up to 30 new game modes, along with an online matchmaking system and ai tutoring classes available for purchase

[undone talon]

photochadmaxxing

[iron vigil]

😭

[undone talon]

also where are server rules

is it a channel

[patent sail]

i ate them

[pale wolf]

#📜・rules

magical right

[undone talon]

lmao

[undone talon]

ty

[patent sail]

#📜・rules in case you forgot

[noble mango]

Hanging Photobrain sock and print

[knotty zodiac]

does anyone play balatro on android tablet? is it smooth?

[pale wolf]

i play on guggle pixel 9 pro xl

[undone talon]

tyyy

[noble mango]

My phone burns even when the score ain't burnin

[pale wolf]

kilopixels

[undone talon]

its good to refresh ones memory of the rules

[light brook]

new joker 1

[knotty zodiac]

considering snagging redmi pad 2 (11" cheapish processor prob)

[undone talon]

wouldnt want to start any HEATED discussions

[iron vigil]

This was so fucking funny

[pale wolf]

you could probably run it plugged in

[noble mango]

Is that a game leak or an actual f leak i see

[undone talon]

localthunk was edging w this one 🔥

[light brook]

new joker 2

[knotty zodiac]

mm idk about plugged in. would prob spend more to get something i can actually play on the couch with

[undone talon]

pipis joker wld be funny

[pale wolf]

get one kf those coiled landline cords to charge jt

[undone talon]

0 wins 🥀

[patent sail]

this chat is fpr that

[noble mango]

Here's a leek

[pale wolf]

good thing you censored this leek or youd get banend

[light brook]

bro we cant be posting leeks here

[patent sail]

heres a leak

[pale wolf]

EW DONT OPEN

[light brook]

bro there are kids here

[soft vapor]

Cough cough the new gros michel variant cough cough

[light brook]

now theyre gonna get flooded

[neon cobalt]

👅

[noble mango]

NOOOOOO

U SPOILED THE UPDATE

[light brook]

i dunno it migth be it might not be...

[iron vigil]

cotton candy joker

[neon cobalt]

damnnnnn the arm

[cloud sinew]

it's a banana, we don't know that it's a gros michel variant

[light brook]

wait hear me out what if it was blue joker 2

[soft vapor]

But welllll its in the family of banana jokers

[patent sail]

heres a picture of a green plush dice

[iron vigil]

would actually be so funny

[soft vapor]

so people mighr assume

[undone talon]

oops!

[knotty zodiac]

oh 4gb of ram is probably a recipe for seconds per frame instead of frames per second huh?

[pale wolf]

Lilo, are you going to be a voice actor in the upcoming 1.1 Update for Balatro?

[neon cobalt]

something is wrong with this dice

[noble mango]

Oops all normal

[ionic jungle]

I did my first goldstake :p

[light brook]

all the jokers are, did you not get the email??

[cloud sinew]

I am not at liberty to divulge that information

[ionic jungle]

fire right

[noble mango]

Congrat

[neon cobalt]

WHAT are those jokers fello

[ionic jungle]

dont judge

[ionic jungle]

thanks

[cloud sinew]

that IS voice acting

[patent sail]

why is it ALL eternal 😭

[pale wolf]

-# And they call ME a fool!

[ionic jungle]

the real question is why is it not

[neon cobalt]

you deserved a plant

[light brook]

"heh, it looks like theres a hanging chad here... could be useful later..."

[ionic jungle]

aw

[noble mango]

Pholochad sock and stormteller?

[undone talon]

vagvagvagvagvagvagvagvag

[ionic jungle]

I could have taken ecto doe

[pale wolf]

i dont like that caption

[iron vigil]

"Focus, M (matador)"

[light brook]

inainainainainaina

[ionic jungle]

stormteller?

not heard of

[undone talon]

🥲

why

[noble mango]

(brain)storm (fortune)teller

[cloud sinew]

vagabomb

[ionic jungle]

o

[pale wolf]

vagglebond

[patent sail]

We gonna have to kill this blind, Jimbo...

[ionic jungle]

I kinda forgot the fortune dude was there

[cloud sinew]

Bomb joker in 1.1 what would it do

[light brook]

fucking kill you

[noble mango]

Ceremonial bond huh

Oh wait that's the challenge deck

[undone talon]

yes

challenge

very interesting

[pale wolf]

NOOO VAGABOND!!!!

[ionic jungle]

its good guys I swear

[noble mango]

On a noife's edge lad

[iron vigil]

1 in 4 chance for each scored 8 to give you a tarot card

[pale wolf]

hes gonna die 🥀

[ionic jungle]

you just dont see the vision

[undone talon]

did u ecto for fortune teller or was it nat

[light brook]

"what is this, some kind of ceremonial dagger?"

[cloud sinew]

Countdown starts if the score is ever on fire;
After 3 rounds, the next time you select a blind it is automatically defeated /nsrs

[noble mango]

Gains 0.2x mult every blind but

1 in 1000 chance to blow up and destroy all other jokers and this one

[ionic jungle]

nat

thats why I grabbed it

[light brook]

he need to do something with the score on fire thing its sucha cool idea for a joker

[iron vigil]

worse madnesss......... ?

[undone talon]

noice

[ionic jungle]

[undone talon]

lmao

[cloud sinew]

"all other jokers and this one" just say "all jokers"

[undone talon]

wraith for the brainstorm 💀

[noble mango]

There's one on the fangame that's

+1x mult every selected blind (also boss) but +5% chance to blow up and kill every jokers you had

(It ramps up fast)

[undone talon]

i needed blueprinty

damn it

[ionic jungle]

ok maybe I should have taken that ecto

[cloud sinew]

badly designed

[noble mango]

Ye i think

[ionic jungle]

well its perish

[weak relic]

Joker poker balala

[light brook]

just sell them duh

[noble mango]

The one time i tried it it deleted a run

[ionic jungle]

oh yeah I didnt think of that

[noble mango]

Eh i mean they tried making a hugh risk joker but

Yeah that's a run kill

Brainstorm mod

Blueprint/brainstorm mod

[iron vigil]

If the joker description ever has the term "scoring requirement" on it

or a ^

or a times chips

[patent sail]

carrot!

[noble mango]

When they put E on their description

That's just + mult lol

[iron vigil]

times chips invalidates the other chips jokers since planet scaling would be infinitely faster than one other source of chips

[knotty zodiac]

the multiplayer balatro discord has a list of approved qol mods

[hoary moon]

times chips is useless without expnoentiation jokers

[knotty zodiac]

if u dont want to change balance at all thats a good start

[hoary moon]

xchips is js xmult

[pale wolf]

hey im sorry this isnt balatro but

[noble mango]

And this mod also

[knotty zodiac]

ya i think some whitelisted, some blacklisted, and then others are "if your opponent is ok with it"

[undone talon]

can u send the dc link

[iron vigil]

GOD IS COMING

[hoary moon]

do we laugh now or sm

[undone talon]

i had no clue theres a multiplayer balatro dc

[knotty zodiac]

https://discord.gg/balatromp

[noble mango]

Check discord search

[pale wolf]

do you like this squirrel or do you hate this squirrel

[undone talon]

thanks

[noble mango]

Mmmmmmmmmmmm seems highly delectable

Balato

[knotty zodiac]

balo

bo

[noble mango]

Bo

[pale wolf]

bruh

I want the rocket

[iron vigil]

credit card in buffon pack joke

[knotty zodiac]

kinda bored of crashing my gsg attempts

[patent sail]

credit card in the celestial pack

[hoary moon]

ccitbp

[knotty zodiac]

time for... abandoned streak attempts?

[noble mango]

Imagine bufoon pack giving you rebate lmao

[brave echo]

ceremonial dagger is quite nice

since if you dont want it to kill a card you can just move it right

[iron vigil]

[knotty zodiac]

yep

just dont forget 🙂

[noble mango]

🇬🇧 is pretty good in some runs mate

[ionic jungle]

hes back

[noble mango]

But boy i like 🇺🇸 english mo

[noble mango]

Oops All 6 are eternal

[ionic jungle]

im slightly regretting the eternals

a bit

[noble mango]

Ok this game is ragebaiting you

[ionic jungle]

yeah

and its working kinda

but im too nonchalant

[noble mango]

This is why i don like eternals ngl

[verbal oak]

Green deck GG

[noble mango]

Other than eternals on some jokers

[pale wolf]

wow thanks riff raff

[verbal oak]

Riffraff is the goat of early game

As soon as I got that bus, I locked in

[noble mango]

Greck bull
Holy moly

[brave echo]

the house is such a fun boss blind