🕹・game-discussion

[lament condor]

and seed is determined by your mouse path

[frank grove]

the seed determines what the rng generates

[lament condor]

so therefore

i just need to find the perfect mouse movements

to win balatro 100% of the time

[red briar]

gghghhrprhr

[lament condor]

obviously

[red briar]

idol...

[frank grove]

its also based off time

[red briar]

this might be a run of all time

[cedar mauve]

This is the way

[frank grove]

iirc time since you opened the game and time since your last run

[red briar]

time to make a full deck of red seal kings

[cedar mauve]

Or just do seeded runs if you dont like the rng

[lament condor]

"seeded runs" then whats the point of gambling with seeds (and my happiness) all day?

[cloud sinew]

fun

[cedar mauve]

I wouldnt know, i dont like playing them haha

I get more fun out of unseeded anyway

naneinf seeded would be fun tho

Too much work for me to achieve otherwise lmao

[lament condor]

Im gonna put gold sticker on all my jokers

[slow iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1490481192431128697/570fm1n.mp4?ex=69fe6648&is=69fd14c8&hm=5e93b1adf1431c5ad5f4564c522ae860889a929b8689db5c9d2966fa182f87ee&

this is the peak of seeded runs

double cavendish break speedrun

[lament condor]

meanwhile my ante 2 banana stays until finisher blind

[ebon condor]

happens

[south path]

ive had a gros michel not break for like 6 antes

[south path]

bro why are all your cards miku 🥀

[ebon condor]

i have had a round 1 michel last the entire game

[south path]

you should change them to miku nakano

[terse dock]

stampede played a tear asunder and hilled me

[south path]

better miku

[versed sable]

what's the orange stake buff?
or is it just for fun?

[lament condor]

this run is pretty uncommon

[slow iris]

that's what the original person who discovered this seed naturally was playing on

[versed sable]

i see

discovering that naturally is amazing

[humble gulch]

Negatives tier list by how they look :3

[frank grove]

oh we have different opinions 😭

[humble gulch]

Chicot looks so good negative

[frank grove]

(i like ourple)

[humble gulch]

I love that shade of neon yellow

[frank grove]

its at least recognizable, a lot of negs look really similar

[humble gulch]

Negative fib looks like something from Jojo's

[frank grove]

neg four fingers is so unique

[humble gulch]

That green is so ugly ❤️‍🩹

[frank grove]

also i forgot to move ramen but i think i would put it near to four fingers maybe

[humble gulch]

Balatro but I segregated the yellows from the purples

[red briar]

i am seeing a very noticeable gradient going on here

also why does hack get to be in C tier

[turbid nova]

Whiteboard

[red briar]

and bump midas up a little more

he looks cool

[turbid nova]

Yellow card

[cedar mauve]

Castle in S???

I assume that these rankings are just based on beating ante 8 haha

[humble gulch]

By how they look negative

[cedar mauve]

Oh gotcha

I was gonna say

[red briar]

also sock and buskin is just the same lol

[frank grove]

hack has more going on then like cc and red card which makes it less that color

[humble gulch]

That makes it fun ngl

[turbid nova]

Seeing double looks very nice

[cedar mauve]

It’s pretty funny

Instead of a traditional negative

[turbid nova]

Bock and suskin

[cedar mauve]

It’s just buskin and sock

[humble gulch]

CC is horrible, I forgot to move it down

❤️‍🩹

[red briar]

bro

i just got all heart kings from my familiar

[lost vault]

meow meow meow meow

[red briar]

this has gotta be a very low chance

its

1/3 * 1/4 right

[lost vault]

probably not

idk

[humble gulch]

Times 3

[frank grove]

to get 3 kings its 1/3*1/3 right?

[lost vault]

to the power of 3 actually

[red briar]

wow

that's kind rare no

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[frank grove]

yeah

[lost vault]

a little rare

not as rare as soul i think

[red briar]

i'm not the smartest math guy

someone do the math

[frank grove]

rarer

i think?

[lost vault]

erm

[red briar]

3.7% chance

[lost vault]

soul is 0.003

[red briar]

is what i got

[lost vault]

so ye maybe its rarer

[humble gulch]

1 in 1,728

[red briar]

oh

wow

[frank grove]

yeah its rarer by quite a lot 😭

[red briar]

wait

[lost vault]

not a lot

[red briar]

they were all base king of hearts too

isn't that even rarer

[lost vault]

but a fair amount

[red briar]

not base

fuggin

[lost vault]

probably

[red briar]

steel

[humble gulch]

1 in 1,728

[red briar]

mb

[lost vault]

idk wgat the probabilities on the enhancements are

[red briar]

i do so many endless runs steel kings just look normal to me now

[frank grove]

soul is 3/1000 right

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[red briar]

it's outrageous

[lost vault]

i assume it just chooses from the existing ones with equal chance

[lost vault]

0.3%

yea

[humble gulch]

1 in 333

[red briar]

if they were all steel heart kings

i'm pretty sure that would be roughly 1 in 855k

[humble gulch]

Against 1 in 1,728

[red briar]

wait no

wrong math

bleh

[humble gulch]

1 in 884,736

Yeah

[frank grove]

Yeah thats right

[red briar]

familiar can't create stone cards no?

[frank grove]

no

[humble gulch]

Ah

Bro

[red briar]

wouldn't it be 1 in 592k in that case

[humble gulch]

Forgot

[lost vault]

meow meow

[red briar]

i'm using icky chatgpt math because there's no way i could figure this out

i failed my math final 3 seperate times

[humble gulch]

1 in 592,704

[red briar]

shiiiiiit

that's pretty lucky

[frank grove]

yeah

[red briar]

but in ante 2 that does basically nothing for me

gg

[frank grove]

😭

cool chances though

[humble gulch]

Nat negative legendary is like 9 in 1,000,000

Or not

Since negative is like another 3 in 1,000

[frank grove]

yeah

[red briar]

i had a higher chance of pulling a nat negative legendary than this happening

✌️

[shell dagger]

Don’t, theres plenty of nerds here that can do it

[frank grove]

i think you're right

[turbid nova]

Also chatgpt is like really bad at math

[humble gulch]

Nerds play Balatro, but playing Balatro doesn't turn you into a nerd

[red briar]

oh, i know this

even after C+ i'm still a massive dummy

[shell dagger]

Its good enough for these types of questions, it just tends to miss context clues

[red briar]

i did have to remind it that familiar could only make 7 editions instead of 8

[shell dagger]

Ye like that

So its basically only good if you know the answer

[turbid nova]

Does omen globe increase your chances for a soul to appear in arcana packs

[shell dagger]

Slightly decrease

[red briar]

i better pull 5 natural negative legendary jimbos from soul cards

before i see this bs again

i could've used that luck to buy a lottery ticket or something

[brittle temple]

Hmmm

[red briar]

Bean

Sell Vagabond (trust me)

[brittle temple]

Rip temperance value

Hi +4 handsize

[dim marlin]

Fellas how do i get scientific notation scores

[shy tangle]

Astronomically high scores

[humble gulch]

Glass and retriggers is the easiest way

[red briar]

blueprint, brainstorm, and showman has to be the meanest combo ever

[red briar]

🔥

[dim marlin]

Dang there are whole worlds of Balatro that i have never experienced because What is that infinity stake

[turbid nova]

I just got one for the first time today

With plasma photochad with glass cards

[humble gulch]

Modded

Doesn't matter

[brittle temple]

Wow judgement dna

[frank grove]

i love when i get seance in a shop right next to a suit changer like wow

🤤

[humble gulch]

Free win

[lost vault]

pretty sure eternal sticker is vanilla

[frank grove]

what the actual fuck

[humble gulch]

Infinity stake...

[lost vault]

holy shit immolate

[lost vault]

no screenshot posted in yhe last hour has an infinity stake in it

[frank grove]

UGHHH ... trib NOOO 💔

[lost vault]

im assuming they just mean eternal

[lost vault]

the abhorrent triboulet

[terse imp]

immolate and soul

[humble gulch]

Isn't infinity stake a stake in Cryptid?

[lost vault]

nope

[terse imp]

no

[humble gulch]

Bruh

I guess it is eternal

[frank grove]

my blue seal just got destroyed by the immo and i got one back .. never PUNISHED

[terse imp]

stake stickers dont go in the top left either

[humble gulch]

Dagger in the next shop

[lament condor]

if a joker is debuffed do i still get sticker

[humble gulch]

Yes

[terse imp]

i sure do love balala on 21:9

[frank grove]

🔥 (got grim)

[lost vault]

if a joker is evil do i still get the sticker

[frank grove]

goodbye trib you did nothing but give me 10 dollars thank you dude

[terse imp]

is there a steam modded bug which causes crash on selecting a card in the arm boss blind

[lost vault]

maybe idk

ask modding chas

chat

[frank grove]

ANOTHER ONE 🔥

[terse imp]

am i supposed to just be crashing on the arm

[frank grove]

ANOTHER ONE?!?!?!?

what

[mental bloom]

Immolate being good :

[grand lynx]

i like the red deck

[terse imp]

ok we get it youre gonna gain 20$

[grand lynx]

balatro

[frank grove]

fun seance 3oak run 😭

[terse imp]

how do i do crimson bean

it hit bean but what do i do now

[frank grove]

i think you just exit to menu and then continue the run (i havent done it in like over a year so i might be misremembering)

[terse imp]

can i only do crimson bean once per boss

[waxen quartz]

as many times as bean is hit by boss when it hasn't been on a bean

[serene forge]

"unseeded naneinf"

[warm wedge]

js get dcut buddy

[serene forge]

dcut's not saving them lol

even if this was on the right deck

econ's in shambles

how are you gonna be in a11 with 8 dollars

[terse imp]

how would i do crimson bean here

i overscore with baron or mime

[warm wedge]

credit card?

[humble gulch]

8 dollars

[warm wedge]

so did you see the mess in the room, ther was furniture upturned, but the room was pretty empty

[terse imp]

ok wtf do i do now

[terse imp]

what

[serene forge]

address me 🐘

[ancient gyro]

congrats you sold the wrong jokers

[terse imp]

what was i supposed to sell

[serene forge]

pretty sure you're supposed to sell everything but baron and bean

also what

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[serene forge]

you sold a negative baron

[ancient gyro]

they sold their only scoring source lol

[terse imp]

its fine

[serene forge]

is it

[ancient gyro]

long term you'll have some conflictions reaching a39

[terse imp]

did i do the glitch wrong, i tried doing it a 2nd time in the same boss and it removed the increase from the 1st glitch

[serene forge]

btw was that nat negative or did you ecto

[slow iris]

steamodded patches it out i believe

[terse imp]

bruuu

im on steamodded

[serene forge]

oh huh

i didn't know that

[terse imp]

im on 1503a and i see 1501a saying crimson bean got patched or smth

[slow iris]

idk if intentionally or not but yeah

[ancient gyro]

localthink already testing out patch code in a different port

[terse imp]

am i rare blocking correctly

[warm wedge]

fuck i hate being broke

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 150

[terse imp]

ccitbp

[terse imp]

bro wtf thats all of them

[brittle ocean]

It still works for me with steamodded (I’m on Mac)

[slow iris]

with the latest version?

[brittle ocean]

Was there a new version released in the last few weeks

[slow iris]

honestly i don't keep up with steamodded updates so idk

even though all it takes for me is a single command to update it

[brittle ocean]

If the latest version patched the bean bug I’m not updating steamodded

[warm wedge]

excpet for when ur at -20

[serene forge]

not inspect element btw

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 3

[slow iris]

ok apparently it was unintentionally patched and is now unpatched in steamodded 1531zeebee or later

@terse imp

might as well ping you too @brittle ocean

[warm wedge]

nice

[brittle ocean]

Do you know if there’s a thing that makes the bean bug give more or less hand size than it should in vanilla

[slow iris]

no clue

[brittle ocean]

Or is it just inconsistent to begin with in vanilla lol

I tried a seeded run to compare and it worked as expected in both vanilla and modded

Then in an ante 16 bean bug I got an extra card every time

[sullen meadow]

it might be how you save scummed?

[brittle ocean]

Main menu when bean is disabled

Just the standard

I had a +4 bean, and when I came back the handsize went from 13/9 to 14/14 drawing another card. Then 18/14 to 19/19

[harsh relic]

😮

[brittle ocean]

I vaguely recall something weird happening on mobile too but idr what exactly happened

[errant knoll]

Should I get rid of anything for polychrome splash? Playing 5oak with 2's, rocket is $9 per round, wee joker is 872 chips, constellation 1.7x. Scoring is getting real close and I don't wanna lose

[ebon condor]

if you need the scoring really really bad then maybe, but id focus on getting planets and enhancements

one steel card or glass card is insane value for a build like this

[knotty zodiac]

i dont think splash makes much of a difference. you want planet levels and mult/xmult

and yes glass

[errant knoll]

Alright thanks y'all I'll look for justice and chariot

I beat black deck orange stake thanks to y'all. Now for the gold stake grind.

[terse imp]

when do i need to pivot from gold to steel kings

[serene forge]

depends

[terse imp]

do i need steel by ante 16

also what do i sell for the credit card

[serene forge]

baron

[terse imp]

plant bad please help run dead

[proud flame]

Skip

Please say that was a joke

That genuinely scared me

[terse imp]

do i need burglar yet?

[shell rock]

i got a riff raff and it gavd me 8-ball so i played a single 8, 8-ball hit and gave me emperor which gave fool and hermit

best joker in the game??

[proud flame]

What is your ecto count?

[terse imp]

used 1 ecto

dna was nat neg

[wooden sluice]

“reroll boss 10$”

[proud flame]

Baron as well?

[terse imp]

baron was ecto, cc is nat neg

also bp nat too

[slow iris]

crazy

[proud flame]

Damn i would look for an ecto then and then find burger

[terse imp]

ecto is -2 for me and isnt the rule to never take 2nd ecto for nanoinventory

[proud flame]

Is that no antimatter as well

[terse imp]

i have antimatter

[ancient gyro]

paper phrog

[proud flame]

I mean with +2 from voucher 7 hand size with dna is enough

[ancient gyro]

meets petrified toad

[proud flame]

And burger on serpent

[serene forge]

did you end up bean bugging

[terse imp]

dont i need to survive ante 24 before using burger serpent

[terse imp]

i think my build of steamodded removed bean bug for some reason

[serene forge]

then yeah dont use more ectos

[terse imp]

am i really lucky or does glow up affect wheel because i just got 3 hits in a row

[serene forge]

and burger is not useful until ante 25+

[terse imp]

would i be fried if i used ecto here

[serene forge]

tbh im not sure how nat negatives factor into ecto and stuff

[terse imp]

im scoring around e40 with 1 copy on baron and 5 on dna

[knotty zodiac]

riff raff goated

[lament condor]

is balatro the best game of all time

[terse dock]

Super Mario

[shy tangle]

Chat...quick question, is the Hieroglyph voucher worth it? Just got to Ante 3 in my current run and it showed up in the shop

[serene forge]

celest

[lament condor]

REALLY depends on your build

[serene forge]

hieroglyph is very overrated

I rarely take it

its very situational

i basically only get it if im about to die

[shy tangle]

hmm ok

[lament condor]

Don't take Hieroglyph IF

1. Broke
2. Don't have anything that scales yet and don't really benefit

Take Hieroglyph IF

1. Have a LOT of money
2. Desperate if about to die
3. Need it for scaling jokers

[lament condor]

all 3 don't have to be true, and this is purely subjective

[shy tangle]

Current status for reference

[lament condor]

are you SURE you're not gonna die next blind?

[shy tangle]

Yes?

[warm wedge]

Don't take Hieroglyph IF

1. Broke
2. Don't have anything that scales yet and don't really benefit

Take Hieroglyph IF

1. Have a LOT of money
2. Desperate if about to die
3. Need it for scaling jokers
4. For fun

[shy tangle]

I typically get to Ante 5 or 6

[stark acorn]

Don't take Hieroglyph IF

1. Broke
2. Don't have anything that scales yet and don't really benefit

Take Hieroglyph IF

1. ante 0

[shy tangle]

hmm ok

[serene forge]

hieroglyph ironically is often bad for scaling jokers if you take it early

at least for hand scalers

because -1 hand is very punishing

and because the blinds are lower you're unlikely to actually be able to scale because you keep winning too fast

[lament condor]

if joker is debuffed from perishable do i still get sticker

[serene forge]

yes

[lament condor]

good to know

[heavy heron]

hieroglyph's main issue for me is -5 card digging

sometimes, you may think

wow i'm barely scoring enough (because you can't find your hand), i better take hieroglyph!

except now you sealed your death even more because you quite literally can't dig for your (far exceeding) winning hand

[brave fox]

Im about to run into the eye, yall think I should grab this eternal holo paradolia

[warm wedge]

sure, just dont get planted

[serene forge]

never take eternal pareidolia

ever

[serene forge]

that too

[brave fox]

I could just skip for something else, but I do need some score power or im done lol

[serene forge]

photochad isn't enough?

[brave fox]

For now yah, but i ain't gonna cut it later

[swift totem]

randomly checked my stats

[red briar]

hey guuys

i'm having trouble on how to actually pivot properly

does anyone have any general tips

[swift totem]

when you can score more mult than chips, you should pivot

hope this helps

[red briar]

it really doesn't

like say i'm playing flushes for the early antes

[swift totem]

im playing flushes for the early antes

[red briar]

alright bro

i can obviously tell you're not trying to be helpful

[serene forge]

later when

there's 2 antes after that

you have justice as well

[warm wedge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dAI7jxCDIE&t=2498s

[red briar]

already watched it

sure it's a good example but roffle doesn't necessarily explain many of his decisions

[knotty zodiac]

chad/glass and copy jokers are helpful

but pivoting is not required. usually full chip is easier

[lament condor]

I love erosion

[red briar]

i would like if drspectred ever made a video purely on pivoting

[warm wedge]

(ive only been playing for 17 days)

[warm wedge]

just trust his guts

[mental bloom]

I love Judgement

[swift totem]

watch some of the docs videos

don’t watch Roffle if you wanna learn how to get good at the game

[warm wedge]

go back to school https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_Wr7giQFKI

[brave fox]

Aw man you just made me realize, I really gotta lock tf in so I can finally get outta this orange stake lol

[ancient gyro]

dated source

[serene forge]

I <3 yuri

[knotty zodiac]

has pivoting changed a lot?

[mental bloom]

SAME

[brave fox]

My glass king has been holding it down hoping it stays long enough

[languid flower]

dude im so smart

i got a blueprint on black stake and lost that run

next run on black stake i get brainstorm, i also lost that run

[ancient gyro]

generally no but there are some deck specific pivots that he doesn't go through in older videos until recently in random deck runs

[flat tiger]

you privot from flushes to pairs

[swift totem]

the blueprint can bait you, esp when it’s early. I’ve skipped a blueprint a few times because it’s not worth

[humble gulch]

Free win

[swift totem]

Blueprint is the worst joker in the game, change my mind

[ancient gyro]

what too much red deck does to a mf

[lament condor]

2 new gold stickers

[brave fox]

Lost to the ante 8 big blind 😞

[languid flower]

yeah it was really early like buffoon pack small blind

[ancient gyro]

anyone that's in the sludge pit discord send me an invite

plz

[cosmic sun]

The dih cord

[languid flower]

i was very close to getting a black stake win after getting white-green in 5 runs total

but i lost to big blind

[atomic trout]

Purple Stakes? Yay or Nay for fun factor

[ancient gyro]

neutral

[cedar mauve]

Blue stakes was where fun died

[knotty zodiac]

i think the scaling is about right

enough to keep many runs tense but still achievable for experienced players

it can probably be raised a little more without problem but no urgent reason

[shy tangle]

Blue steaks 🐮

[ashen cobalt]

anyone know why discord is calling balatro snek 3

[cedar mauve]

Is that what it is??

I thought it was a different game

[icy turret]

GUYS

REROLLED INTO MY LAST TWO JOKERS

150/150!!!!

[cedar mauve]

Nice job!!

[mental bloom]

hows your snek 3 run going heh

[atomic trout]

But the -1 Discard throws everyone off guard

[knotty zodiac]

you get used to it when you play enough gs but ya i would prefer it removed

[ashen cobalt]

checkered deck orange snek

[novel nymph]

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO MY FIRST HAND THAT I HAD MORE THAN 1 MILLION! LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOO I WON WITH BLACK DECK!

[knotty zodiac]

gg!

[icy turret]

Now time to finish the challenges lol

[novel nymph]

photochad combo

[knotty zodiac]

lol triple chad love it

[novel nymph]

also photo >>>

[knotty zodiac]

gz on c+++ 🙂

[novel nymph]

2x

[cedar mauve]

That’s a lotta chads

[vale shale]

Good morning.

Helo gamers. 1 take gold stake run any deck. Which deck are we thinking bout.

[hasty harness]

peep the joker lineup

[lime remnant]

4oak starter pack

[knotty zodiac]

green

[lime remnant]

speculative wraith family and oujia

[novel nymph]

man look how insane this is (i'm into infinity mode)

here i will just play

one K

just that

288K already

now look this one

669 with just one card

this is lowkey insane

[shy tangle]

THREE Hanging Chads?

🤯

[novel nymph]

now look this

i will play this one

what u think will happen?

lets see

[shy tangle]

Anyway finished my run I did and I made it to Ante 7

[novel nymph]

2 millions

and 500 K

with no support cards in my hand

alone 1.900.920

broken

[spring radish]

yk why im here, anyone wanna do 2v2/potluck if yes dm me

[atomic trout]

I totally got used to it. Purple Stakes is hard. Fuuu

It gets easier. On white Stakes

[novel nymph]

i missplayed

but well

i already beated ant 8

i'm ok

gg, final score, 3.225.420

11/8 ant round 31

[knotty zodiac]

ya white stake is totally "uh where is the pressure?"

[warm wedge]

well for like c, im still tyrna get majik tric for c, im at 19/20 for majik

all im missing is money trey + majik trik

[atomic trout]

White Stakes is when I lose enough on Black Deck

On Orange Stakes

I hate it 🧅

[knotty zodiac]

the hive is becoming self aware

[pale wolf]

balatrodle in bad

[vale shale]

Breen

[knotty zodiac]

preen

[shell rock]

yay gold stake

8 ball actually carried this

gave me so so many hermits

sold it for credit card at the end because i already had the sticker

[lime remnant]

im in love with raised fist

[shell rock]

good

[atomic trout]

Straight Flush?!

That spade is there

[shell rock]

here, win

[knotty zodiac]

gotta love 4 fingers

[atomic trout]

Does it skip like that?

I didn't know

[knotty zodiac]

num of times thats screwed my run bc i didnt read: too many

[shell rock]

no, you have four of a red suit and a straight

[shell rock]

why are you yelling

are you still angry

[knotty zodiac]

it's my culture

[shell rock]

thats fair

[knotty zodiac]

a manifesto

on the use of markdown in discord

introduction

we the jimbos of balala

interesting. can make a whole encyclopedia in a discord comment

[ebon condor]

ok

[wicked aurora]

👀👀👀

[atomic trout]

Am I doing this right?

[atomic trout]

I reset

[wicked aurora]

How do you have negative money? 😭

[atomic trout]

Credit Card

[wicked aurora]

I don't have that one yet

[atomic trout]

I opened a Tarot. Judgment gave me CC

CC money to pay the rest

Got telescope voucher

Oh god

[wicked aurora]

You got this bro

[rigid sentinel]

Do i photochad

[knotty zodiac]

impossible to lose with bones lol

[flat tiger]

get out of ante 1 with -20 and no scoring still kills you

[atomic trout]

What Bones?

[knotty zodiac]

u sac'd da bonez

[atomic trout]

This is the end.

The Flintstone will burn my bones

[vale shale]

The frint

[atomic trout]

I nearly lost too

[atomic trout]

Gold Stakes 🥵

[shell rock]

maybe this game is like really easy

woah i have over half of the gold stickers now

c++ is looking so possible

[gusty sage]

….do I look for credit card

[dapper ferry]

Should i go vagabond

[dapper ferry]

Why not

[gusty sage]

I did and there was not one I restarted rip

[dapper ferry]

Im sry man

[gusty sage]

Eh it happens

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

[dapper ferry]

Omg

It happens?
Keeps happening

Lol

[gusty sage]

No credit card again but I got fib and I like fib builds so eh I’ll go on

[dapper ferry]

😭

[gusty sage]

im the worst person to ask

[atomic trout]

I forgot to sell a Joker!

I've never done a Full House run

What happened?

Why am I facing another Final Boss??

[noble mango]

did you do any hieroglyph or petroglyph shenanigan

[atomic trout]

No. Yes

Yeh. I touched the Vouchers 😨

Second Victory?

[atomic trout]

Hehehe

That Telescope is overpowered

I remember the upgrade suuuuuuuuuucks

[warm wedge]

wihotut observatory though

[lime remnant]

do i take const or use the blue seal to scale fire

can i do both or it limits my ability to scale camp

[shy tangle]

Get either Ice Cream or the Buffoon Pack

[brittle ocean]

Buffoon pack -> credit card -> brainstorm -> rebate next shop to recover Econ

[flat tiger]

you wont get a big constellation when you only get it on ante 6

[deep mantle]

I feel like it’d be a nice combo of Egg and Swashbuckler

[lime remnant]

well i do have quite a lot of blue seals

its 3x minimum

[deep mantle]

Egg increasing its price to boost Swash

[flat tiger]

well 2x3 is still better then x4

[lime remnant]

fuck it ima take const and tarot merchant

sounds like a great plan

[flat tiger]

i dont think leaf can kill you so its fine to take all eternal

[lime remnant]

but like now i have to find ecto

[flat tiger]

why you should be winning easy

[lime remnant]

stickers

im going crazy

literally the only time i want showman 😂

[flat tiger]

then why are you taking consteallation if you want stickers

[knotty zodiac]

campfire is awesome for stickers

[flat tiger]

exactly why he should not lock his last slot with the 5th eternal

[lime remnant]

idk im scared

either way

[flat tiger]

you main ovjective is stickers so who cares if you end up losing a random run that gives you no stickers

[hasty harness]

literal infinite nat negatives

had ramen die as well

[waxen fable]

we are beating vessel today

[lime remnant]

if i win more i have more chance of finding the joker i want

because i go full 8 antes

[naive frigate]

Yes

[wise cliff]

ancient joker was in fact my last

stone joker was terrible though

genuinely miserable experience

[naive frigate]

Do you have a job

[wise cliff]

I found like 15 marble jokers

uh kinda

[naive frigate]

Kinda unemployed++

[wise cliff]

ok

I'm between gigs right now

I work in theatre

[naive frigate]

PartTimeJobless++

[wise cliff]

ok

[lime remnant]

meaningless

[errant brook]

138/150 for C++ mobile. When I get to under 10 I want everyone to vote on what they guess my final joker will be. There’s a couple of okay ones I somehow haven’t finished a run with yet on mobile m

[silk thorn]

spare trousers

[brittle ocean]

invisible joker

[errant brook]

I’ve done both. What I meant was I’d post all 10 and everyone could guess lol

I’ve done some math, 1 common and 11 uncommon left lol

[shell rock]

i'm at 87 i think

how did you get the ones on the first page

i have almost all the food jokers and weird ones like invis out of the way but the really weak ones are killing me

[novel nymph]

guys i'm crazy?

where is that joker

brainstorm

in the collection

i unlocked him but can't fing which page

[lime remnant]

get good jokers to carry and then grab the weak one later

[lime remnant]

you unlocked him but did you meet him while playing?

[shell rock]

ok so i have to pick them up in ante 8 essentially

[lime remnant]

basically yeah

[novel nymph]

not yet

[lime remnant]

some joker can help in earlier antw like sly and joy

but most you just pick them up ante 7 or 8

[novel nymph]

oh

ooooooh

[lime remnant]

u

[novel nymph]

so i need to find it

[lime remnant]

you have to find it

yeah

[minor portal]

it would be top middle.

[novel nymph]

ok ty

[eager lance]

should i take ecto???

[eager lance]

what

[naive frigate]

There is acouple of elephant in the room

[eager lance]

💀

[eager lance]

so should i

[hasty harness]

imagine if i was rare blocking a nat negative brainstorm, bp, or baron

this shop would be so goated lol

[civic ruin]

Do I take this Ecto? Drops me down to a hand size of 7

[humble gulch]

GUYS, IS THIS THE RUN?

UGHHHH, FUCK

At least I have trading card...

[heavy heron]

whatever get me out of this MISERABLE RUN

like i’m trying to do so many things but the hand size is literally handicapping me… only bean last second makes this slightly more bearable

no juggler… no hand size voucher..

ok anyways why am i complaining i won

[long oxide]

So dilemma idk what to do here...

I'm aiming for idol play

[warm wedge]

get both

[humble gulch]

BRO

I'M BLESSED

[shell rock]

here, throw this

(please don't)

[warm wedge]

eww double soul? heckar

[humble gulch]

5

[vale shale]

Mgrhhrhmfm

[slow iris]

showman death photograph death

[fervent haven]

Number 8 in the bag

That makes 2 in a row also

Didn't get directors cut until ante 20 too lmao

[strange compass]

W I was trying to do my first naneinf with Barron Mime but it hasn't worked out so I've just been clearing all the challenges

[slow iris]

insane Snek 3 run

[fervent haven]

challenges are fun

I lowkey came up with a different routing rather than the mainstream early baron mime

[strange compass]

Got this insane lucky run on my Luxury Tax challenge rn

Was first try

[fervent haven]

I dont even touch baron mime until ante 18 usually

[strange compass]

What is it

I've tried like 3-4 naneinf attempts and I get Baron Mime in ante 8

[slow iris]

i could never do naneinf multiple times let alone a single time

[fervent haven]

I have a whole google docs for my general methodologies. But you go 4oak early, get photochad and pivot to xmult. Deckfix for flush five red seal gold kings, with 1/3 of the gold kings being purple seal, and leave 2 straight flushes 9-k. Seance for spectrals, gold ticket for money, pivot into sock idol, get lots of money

[slow iris]

(i just find it too boring that's all tbh)

[fervent haven]

get double tags, get blueprints and brainstorms, save money

ante 16-20 you'll pivot to baron mime, I usually pivot ante 18.

[slow iris]

i feel like i could if i actually tried and had the patience

[fervent haven]

totally fair, my runs take 2-4 hours usually

It took me maybe 10-15 attempts before my first naneinf

From there I polished up my routing and game skill

[humble gulch]

Six

Oh no, nebula is next

Fuckkkk

[half flint]

Update on my journey to Completionist++

I have 1 joker left

Just Idol

I gotta get this fucking achievement before the update man

[strange compass]

This sounds complicated af 😭

[fervent haven]

I hope the update doesn't mess with naneinf runs at all or change them in any significant way

[fervent haven]

oh it is. it's harder to pull off, but once you have the skill for it it's super reliable

With perfect gameplay I believe 90%+ of seeds are naneinfable

(on white stake plasma ofc)

[strange compass]

Especially the reserving 2 straight flush cards for seance.

[strange compass]

Oh rlly

I'll try doing that next time

[fervent haven]

Yeah. You have to get the purple seal engine going early.

I can send u my guide for it if u want

[strange compass]

So purple seal into what kind of tarots? Death and suit changers for flush five?

[half flint]

any recommendations btw on how I can brute force Idol on a run?

[vale shale]

No

[half flint]

yeah fair lol

no shortcuts

149 jokers done already

just gotta rough it out

[fervent haven]

suit changers, strength, hanged man, death, make gold cards, make bonus cards, money generating tarots, wheel (genuinely good btw), fool ofc, priestess for planet levels, tower for idol deckfixing

as you can see, tarots are quite good

now imagine you get 2-3 for every discard you have every round

[strange compass]

You have a whole guide? Is it long?

[fervent haven]

it's abt a page of bullet points in google docs is all

just some general tips

[strange compass]

I c it's like the usual although I am curious on how tower fixes Idol

I don't really use Tower alot

[fervent haven]

makes a card stone, effectively removing it's rank from the idol pool

so idol can't pick that card

[humble gulch]

Anyways

[strange compass]

Oh ye. So like you play flush five until what ante

[fervent haven]

ante 18 is usually when i pivot

you save up TONS of money using sock + golden ticket, and sock + idol is your scoring

[strange compass]

Like?

[fervent haven]

wym like?

[strange compass]

What amount

2k-3k?

[fervent haven]

I ended my last run with $18k

[strange compass]

Or even higher

[fervent haven]

You make above $1k a round

[strange compass]

Oh I was very far off 😭

[fervent haven]

Usually end up spending like $800 a shop

[strange compass]

And then you pivot into high cards and the usual baron mime run?

[fervent haven]

exactly

so once you have good money saved up you pivot. Switch out gold ticket for baron or mime (wtv u see first), then switch sock or idol for the next once u see it, then find dna

you'll be set to beat ante 24, then you should have enough money saved up to find burglar after

[naive frigate]

Prolly not

Dunno how you'll benefit from that

[strange compass]

I'll try your strategy next time

[naive frigate]

Although idk if you can achieve naneinf

Oh wait it's plasma

Yeah you good

[fervent haven]

I'll dm u a doc w some tips

[naive frigate]

Can you technically get the soul card from the one joker that gives spectral with every straight flush?

[slow iris]

no

you can't get black hole either

the rest you can

[naive frigate]

Damn

Black hole not even that good

[fervent haven]

the point is soul and black hole are supposed to be rare, and you can only get thme by luck

[granite sandal]

guys i'm so hype; i got gold sticker on loyalty card earlier tonight

[errant brook]

You get scaling xmult jokers and then just take junk at the end. Like if you find Obelisk ante 1, you play as many pairs as possible and then pivot once you’re comfortable. Typically you can win with junk after that

[flat tiger]

soul is strong most of the time, black hole is mid almost every single time

[granite sandal]

black hole doesn't even level up constellation or satellite

nothing more unsatisfying than using black hole on a constellation run and having it not scale

[flat tiger]

even in runs that you are doing multiple hands, you are having planet generation so black hole is not even that great

[knotty zodiac]

black hole is a bit of eye protection

[granite sandal]

nope, and it also doesn't work with other means of getting spectrals outside of packs (sixth sense, ghost deck)

[flat tiger]

black hole should literally be 10 times more common

or even more

[thin jungle]

Ik I should get blueprints or green needles, but should I take this mime?

[granite sandal]

sell the negative ramen

to make room

[errant brook]

You’re in yellow deck, none of this matters lol

[thin jungle]

Wdym💔

Yellow deck is great

[strange compass]

I think Sixth Sense gives a soul if you destroy a polychrome 6

[errant brook]

Yellow deck isn’t gonna hit naneinf

So your build assuming you have kings is beyond OP for low antes but won’t make it past the highest ones for naneinf

So replacing baron or showman with mime isn’t gonna make much of a difference

[strange compass]

Guys is this Judgement joker going to be eternal? I am doing the challenge where all jokers are eternal

[errant brook]

I would assume so. Granted you have square, bus, and constellation so you probably don’t need to take it

[strange compass]

Ye I can win easily

I'll take it for the science

[errant brook]

It’s gonna be free planet cards joker

Of which I’ve never bothered to learn its name

Astronomer?

[strange compass]

Yes it was eternal

[errant brook]

Oh you win easy now

[strange compass]

Also the game saw my pairslop build and gave me one more pairslop joker

[errant brook]

Square bus green constellation lol

You can prob just play high card

[knotty zodiac]

and cert lmao

[strange compass]

I like him

[errant brook]

Officially down to 10 jokers for mobile C++. I’d like everyone to guess what they think my final gold sticker will be:

1. Shortcut
2. Luchador
3. Gift Card
4. Turtle Been
5. Flash Card
6. Acrobat
7. Troubadour
8. Smeared Joker
9. Flower Pot
10. Cartomancer

[half flint]

down to one myself

good luck homie

see you on the other side >B)

[errant brook]

I even made you guys a reaction poll

[knotty zodiac]

troub was trouble a lot of runs where i saw but couldnt take

[tacit stream]

That's a lot of uncommon jokers. Probably gonna take a bit of time to complete...

[eager lance]

i did

[eager lance]

i just got naneinf

[naive frigate]

Cuz you're on plasma vro

[eager lance]

yeah

first naneinf!!!

took hours

forgot to turn off turn off animations 😭

[naive frigate]

Now THAT'S a build

[eager lance]

wdym

[naive frigate]

That whatever tf am i looking at is good

[eager lance]

oh i had to sell the negative jokers cuz i was tryna do crimson heart bug again but i forgot to get a burglar so it didnt even land on my bean 😭

i did the crimson heart bug with troubador before on ante 8

got like 6 or 8 extra hand size

[eager lance]

you know the burglar serpent strat right?

should i try getting naneinf twice in a row unseeded

[naive frigate]

No i do not

[errant brook]

It’s all uncommons. I’ve had the ability to take some of these as trash but opted to go for worse commons. Like flash card I can use to actually win. And the fact I haven’t won with Acrobat yet is pretty crazy

[slow iris]

bean, troub, and smeared are the only bad ones here imo

[knotty zodiac]

Mm uncommons are about 4x rarer than commons so itll take somewhat longer than the other way

[errant brook]

Bean isn’t hard BUT it has the issue of needing to find it at the end

I’m not too worried about the uncommon grind though…yet

[knotty zodiac]

It's usually pretty chill until ~147

[errant brook]

And if things get bad I can grind Anaglyph, although I’d rather NOT do that

My final joker on PC was Chicot so

[tacit stream]

My last uncommon joker was Merry Andy and it was the 2nd to last joker across all rarities.

[errant brook]

I think one of the stone jokers was my last non legendary

Screw it let’s see if we can get this to lower than 10

[knotty zodiac]

lets go!

[knotty zodiac]

shortcut smeared run looks pretty fun if you can land both

[novel nymph]

guys, do you also love ghost deck?

is so fun to play

[round holly]

my balatro isnt launching and its showing the opengl driver error even though all my nvidia drivers are up to date?

[high barn]

finally goldenstickered my last joker!!

obvly it was the Stone Joker

[novel nymph]

what happens if u beat with white stake for example and with gold

will have both?

or only the higher

[lime remnant]

pairslop starter pack

actually do i take burger

[high barn]

the highest sticker overrides any other one, for example if you win a golden stake with a joker without a sticker (you never won a stake with it) you will get a golden sticker

My Stone Joker had a white sticker so golden sticker was a great upgrade lol

[tranquil cedar]

is BP really worth it here? incredible seed btw

[worldly geyser]

was a good run, couldn't get to deck fix properly

[high barn]

You could sell Walkie Talkie and skip blinds like crazy so you can fight the last boss with triple banana

[tranquil cedar]

hmmmm

[fervent haven]

niiice

[eager lance]

thx

[eager lance]

have u gotten naneinf

[fervent haven]

I got my 8th one today

also was back to back so 2 in a row

[errant brook]

Smeared and Flash Card checked off the list. Down to 8

If Acrobat somehow ends up being last I’ll be stunned lol

[eager lance]

nice!

what strat did u use

[fervent haven]

the usual baron mime

did gold ticket, sock, idol until like ante 18

[errant brook]

1. Shortcut
2. Luchador
3. Gift Card
4. Turtle Been
5. Acrobat
6. Troubadour
7. Flower Pot
8. Cartomancer

The final 8

[fervent haven]

not worth

[eager lance]

i mean to increase hand size

[fervent haven]

dna

burglar after ante 24

[eager lance]

yeah thats what i was doing in my attempts but the attempt i got naneinf, i got baron and mime on ante 10 lol

did u watch that dr spectred video

[fervent haven]

I just ignore it if that happens to me

[fervent haven]

hmm maybe. which one?

I like his vids

[eager lance]

yeah but my deck fixing was antes ahead so i got it although i normally would have also ignored it

[eager lance]

get your own naneinf

[fervent haven]

less abt deckfixing, more abt money

[eager lance]

true

[errant brook]

It’s money, deck fixing, and luck

[fervent haven]

yeah I watched that one like a year back I think

[errant brook]

Half of naneinf is voucher luck

[fervent haven]

Luck is only applicable in maybe 5% of cases

[eager lance]

with sock and golden ticket u can get like upto 1000 dollars per round

[errant brook]

I disagree unless you’re taking every single voucher

[fervent haven]

100% disagree

[eager lance]

so yeah it is about money

[eager lance]

kinda true

u have to get retcon

and antimatter is also quite important

the diet colas help but what if a voucher skip doesnt even show up

[fervent haven]

the only way luck can ruin your run is if you see no voucher skips, no directors cut, a late plant, and no feasible amount of money could get you a luchador

[errant brook]

Yeah and that happens all the god damn time lol

[gentle basalt]

So then your claim is > 50% of seeds can be naninf?

[eager lance]

spent 3000 dollars to try and get luchador on one of my attempts and didnt get it and died to the plant 💀

[fervent haven]

I truly believe 95% of seeds are naneinfable with perfect gameplay

[eager lance]

oh thats definitely true

[errant brook]

I’ve been grinding gold stake naneinf and haven’t gotten it yet as I’ve on ONE occasion gotten all the needed jokers and vouchers and just needed burglar and didn’t find it

[eager lance]

YEP

[gentle basalt]

I think it was estimated to be about 25 - 33% by doc (i have heard)

[errant brook]

There’s also seeds that don’t have ectoplasm naturally

[fervent haven]

strats constantly evolve

[errant brook]

Or you find it too early

[fervent haven]

people didnt even think naneinf was possible a couple years back

[eager lance]

i dont think thats true

[eager lance]

wdym

[fervent haven]

ecto is so ez with proper seance usage

[eager lance]

how much money did u have

[errant brook]

Yeah see exactly my point

[fervent haven]

should be able to generate at least 4 spectrals a round with seance

[fervent haven]

im talking abt white stake plasma

[errant brook]

I once went into an ante with 10,000 dollars and 3 antes later died cuz I didn’t find the joker I needed

[fervent haven]

gold stake is hard no doubt

[errant brook]

Yeah I know you’re talking white

[gentle basalt]

If you dont get voucher skip (and no retcon), you are eventually just dead

[eager lance]

gold stake is different

we're talking about white stake

[errant brook]

But saying “echo doesn’t count cuz you can seance” is crazy

[eager lance]

sixth sense?

[shell dagger]

not really

[errant brook]

Sixth sense you run out of 6s

[eager lance]

diet colas

[fervent haven]

seance is so ez to use

[gentle basalt]

Only helps if you get a voucher skip

[shell dagger]

that’s why u buy magic trick

[eager lance]

just strengthen 5s to 6s

it worked for me

[errant brook]

And then ruin my shop when I need to find bean or burglar

[gentle basalt]

Naninf is easy (eventually)
Naninf on 50% of all seeds is hard

[fervent haven]

you're telling me 4 antes of generating 4 spectrals a round you can't guarantee ecto with 99%+ surety?

[eager lance]

hard but possible

[errant brook]

How am I getting that many straight flushes

[eager lance]

deck fixing

[errant brook]

Like what stupid deck fixing have I done that allows me to do that

[fervent haven]

You wouldn't bc you don't know how to play

[shell dagger]

however 90-95% is a poor claim imo

[fervent haven]

It's pretty easy by ante 12 to setup to make 2 straight flushes a round

[errant brook]

Bruh I’m about to do C++ for the second time and have done naneinf plenty of times

You didn’t say 2, you said 4

[eager lance]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQU9oKNS-Q

[shell dagger]

about 13% of seeds won’t have a voucher skip before ante 24

[fervent haven]

with perfect play, I think it's possible

[shell dagger]

read what I said

[gentle basalt]

It is 5% chance to miss ecto ( (15 / 16)^48)

[naive frigate]

HOW does one achieve 73 hand size

[errant brook]

I’m also not going into a run and planning to both find and use seance

[shell dagger]

without the voucher skip, you have unfavourable odds of getting all vouchers needed by 24

no perfect play stops thay

[eager lance]

what percent of thosse seeds have retcon before ante 24

[naive frigate]

Oh wait it's in the name

[fervent haven]

let me clarify. as part of that 90-95% I'm considering usage of bean bug possibilities as well

[errant brook]

Most of my white stake naneinf runs that die do so due to bad luck

[eager lance]

nah

[gentle basalt]

I do not consider bugs as allowed, but even then cant be 90%

[naive frigate]

What % of this runs can achieve ante 24

[shell dagger]

idk but i simulated a while back that the average ante you get a specific tier 2 voucher is 21.5 given you take heiro/petro and skip planet merchant and tycoon and tarot tycoon

[shell dagger]

no idea

[errant brook]

This requires basically all of the jokers or turtle bean or a hand size skip

[fervent haven]

did u do the math for that?

[shell dagger]

yes

(23/24)^48 is a crude estimate

[fervent haven]

yeah thats fair

[shell dagger]

bc the ante 1-8 voucher skip won’t do much

[fervent haven]

yeah

[eager lance]

so 21.5% of seeds you can get retcon voucher before ante 24 without voucher skips?

[shell dagger]

no

[fervent haven]

but only a certain percent of seeds need voucher skips

[errant brook]

You also have to figure what happens when you don’t take the shitty vouchers

[shell dagger]

about half of runs will get retcon before ante 21 without voucher skips

[eager lance]

oh for the second stage of a voucher?

[eager lance]

that leaves like 5% then

[gentle basalt]

Roughly 60- 70 % can according to the median
Which makes still 0.3 * 0.13 seeds completely impossible

[errant brook]

You also need antimatter too

[gentle basalt]

Those are just the completely impossible seeds

[eager lance]

you dont

[shell dagger]

where does that number come from

[errant brook]

Technically you don’t

[fervent haven]

Just based off what I've seen I truly believe 90% is possible with PERFECT but not seed knowing gameplay

[errant brook]

Does perfect imply seeded

Or unseeded and just guessing correctly

[eager lance]

you said 13% of seeds dont have voucher skips. and 30-40% of seeds you cant get retcon before ante 24

so roughly 5%

[gentle basalt]

Guessing correctly is equivalent to seeded btw

[fervent haven]

perfect implies the definetively correct choice on an unseeded run without future knowledge of the seed

[eager lance]

this

well not guessing

but playing with the best chances ig

[errant brook]

Except the correct choice isn’t always the best choice

[eager lance]

yeah so that

[gentle basalt]

There is always a best choice, the outcome of the best choice does not change that

[fervent haven]

Yes, but I'm saying the correct choices can result in 90% naneinf

[errant brook]

90% naneinf is way too high of an estimate