#🕹・game-discussion
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holy shit u making the exat same choices
so you're fully commiting into ancient build here?
oh there is telescope there
but aint noway an early runner im probably comitting to it
2 blue seals in deck
and card sharp
3 blue seals now
damn
todo landed on sflush twice in the same ante
hello there
lol
banana popped im dead
aj is good in abandoned
aj is good in all decks except checkered
best in abandoned
someone who actually knows math would answer this better
but i dont think having a smaller deck with abandoned is really that helpful for drawing more flushes
aj is best in abandoned yes
because u get to draw the flush more often
cuz there's less cards that aren't that suit
at least from experience i dont feed i draw more flushes with abandoned
what
fat fat kitty
its quite literally just 30 vs 39
same odds yes
but lower variance
which means less likely to be fucked by bad draw
you run out of cards faster
cause you start with basically 6 hanged man
or 2 immolate + 1 hanged man
Thoughts?
insane luck here
before taking into accout the draws affect the odds
was 100% losing withose those 2
insane first shop 😭
same odds for getting any given suit, but the odds of bottom decking are much smaller considering you have a higher digging power proportional to your deck size
Garbage tag actually being useful in a run??
yeah and for aj you shouldnt need to play multiple flushes hopefully
33 digging power in a deck of 40 is much stronger than 33 digging power in a deck of 52
yeah in that regards
i lost
first AJ loss in ages
but jupiter did not exist
would have won if i used the glass card on the flush
but i wasnt winning the next round
nice
i took Hack in the last shop and then it got debuffed by the boss
o m
damn my fingers sucks lol
decision making is dead in the dumps
would u take gamble or just win this run and ill always pick gamble
runner is guaranteed win 95% of the time
until you get a seed that refuses to draw straights
nah
it's very dependant on the stage of the game you're at, and if it's rental or not
i mean its the 2nd best chip joker in the game after Wee
and it scales fast enough that it can be picked mid game
ante 3-4 runner still scales enough
black deck orange stake, I got Campfire, so I thought I'd also buy Astronomer so I can get free planets and sell them for Campfire, only to never get a single planet card in shop for the rest of the run
what are the odds
but there are those evil seeds that bait a straight and never give it to you
i had an ante 1 runner that i couldnt scale and eventually lost because i tried to force a straight
tbf Runner isn't really an incentive to go all-in with Straight
i remember drawing 7-8-9-10 and the game refusing to draw a jack or 6
you never go straights on a runner
runners a minigame joker
unless you wanna do it for the lols
you can safely stop playing straights by the 10th one at 150 chips
or push it to 200 range
Runner is still a good joker, you get some chips by a few stray straights and just go back to your go-to hand of choice that isn't straight
runner is great not good. its one of the best jokers you can find
2nd best chip joker after Wee
i wouldnt say so
stuntman
eh
scaling
you didnt say that
bull
yeah i didnt
but its implied in the context of the conversation that its abouts scaling chips
nah
no not really ;-;
bull is another answer but its an argument for sure
square > runner > wee > .. imo
First real run of the day, 4 new gold stickers for mobile C++. Starting to run out of decent jokers I haven’t won on gold stake with though. Approaching “Win exclusively with PhotoChad or Obelisk and carey other junk to the end” territory
in what, volume of winning runs?
I'd take wee over square or runner if they were next to eachother any day at any stage of the game
wee is absurd
unless i had like, no A or 2 on erratic
that's concerning
a pair of 2s is worth more than a straight with runner
same
wee beats square any day
you have money considerations, consistency considerations, the jokers you have right now, etc
and a single 2 with a single retrigger
runner is gigabusted imo, it's like 80% of the reason straights are still viable.
square is kinda the opposite, if pairs were balanced it would be complete dog.
planet cards
and in nearly all of those situations wee is still better
I am assuming you also typically never destroy or convert 2s in anticipation to Wee
“if they were next to each other at any stage of the game” yup; i don’t really see a situation where i’d take a square over wee
unless i… hung 2s??
aint no universe were square is better than wee
i do for sure
you hang the 2s when you got a straihgt build. and a straight build doesnt need wee
i mean if you can still play a pair of 2s wee is still better than square and runner
wee costs $8, square costs $4, so you actually need to have $8+ and that money needs to be better spent on wee over square and just keeping it for interest etc.
wee requires you to draw and score 2s, square is +4 every hand unless youre against specific boss blinds, so if you need short-term scoring fairly consistently then wee is worse
16 chips
its also that i dont need to restrict my deck digging ability at all
runner and square both harm that
you do
wait do we only have castle square runner and wee as scaling chips?
unless you're playing pairs+ of 2s always, or you have splash, then yes you do
well you get double scaling (on average) so it costs double; makes sense…
and yea you have money consideration sure
only 5?
i can full send for wee ranks and not worry about whats left behind whatsoever
but i’d say that $4 is 99% not a difference in decision making for whether i take that wee or not
bros typing an essay to convince us 4 chips per hand is better ahn 8 per rank of 2
not really
theres plenty of other ranks to remove
4 per hand is bad lol
what
i dont think you understand what i mean
it barely impacts any restrictions on deck fixing
2s being the lowest rank means you either need to play pairs+ of 2s, or have splash, for it to not decrease your deck drawing
not DECK FIXING
deck DIGGING
oh I'm blind
how is splash relevant
if i dont draw a pair of 2s in discards i just play the high card 2 (assuming its survivable bla bla bla)
idk how it could possibly affect how many cards i can dig
yeah
also even with the -1 discard, i find castle to almost always be sufficient provided i pick it early enough
the high card 2 means youre played 4 fewer cards than you otherwise could
what exactly am i digging for anyway besides 2s? you want me looking for blue seals when im running wee? LOOLLL
gold sure whatever
like any other carda could be removed
but i didnt have to do that lol
@cloud sinew theres no amounnt of argument that can upscale square enough to beat 8 chips per 2
you did to score the 2
just as you don't have to play 4 cards for square to give chips, but you do to actually scale it.
seriously though like who cares if you dig less because of wee?
u dig less with square not wee
then "who cares if you dig less because of square"
also saying that wee is more expensive is crazy work when you are paying a dollar each time for 4 chips with square
i’m entertaining her argument for second
oki
yup agreed
my precious gold ig..
Yall think if The Idol changed every hand and picked one from a selection of cards you have in your hand, it would be an actually viable joker?
if yall are bored of doing golde stake over and over again you could consider doing 2v2 :P https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1496164475177402409
if it picked from held in hand it would be pretty strong yes
change every hand
yes pls
from hand
fuck no
yeah i was debating
how is it "crazy work"? i'm arguing against them saying they would take wee over square or runner in every single situation if they had a choice between them.
it would be absurd
imagine playing down for dusk and idol not hitting on last hand
idolchad would be the new meme
right cause then it would be better than trib
pain
because wee is not that more expensive when you factor in chips per dollar cost
ironically no different from current idol though
if $4 is stopping you from taking a wee but not a square, you prob got bigger problems man… i get that $4 is a big deal but for smth with such high pay out?
the beginning of the pairless abandoned streak (hopefully 😭) 🔥
same chance to miss, just one is right before the hand and one is before the round entirely
it's $4 more which means there are situations where you can buy one but not the other
wee's things:
8 chips per 2
downside: u have to score 2
square's things:
4 chips per hand
downside: lowered digging power, costs more $ to match (probably the most expensive chip scaling joker tbh)
true but thikn of it like this
yeah cant buy wee first shop if it shows up and sometimes its more awkaward to buy
your interest is automatically maxed
but it offsets its cost by how cheap the chip scaling is
and u dont have to burn hands
okay 😭
it would be way more devastating ngl
pairslop lets gooo
iirc square is the most expensive chip scaling joker
this a pairless profile im straightgeming here
do we only really have 5 scaling chip jokers in the entire game?
3oakmaxxing?
lemme count
bull castle square wee runner
Hiker
Castle
wee
square
bull
runner
oh hiker 💀
ohright
hiker.. right
perhaps emotionally, but not statistically
hiker…
that is it unless you count blue joker
i got madness next shop its straight time 🔥
overall idol would be much more consistent because you generally only need one non-specific hand to win
lol real
no wonder foil jokers feel so good 😭
im not counting "technically", if you dont feel like it is scaling then don't count it
can we count burnt Joker
it is scaling but in practice its not scaling at all
like supernova isnt "technically" scaling but it's vibes based as a scaler
ple
sure
and spaceman
imagine the most common wheel hit isnt foil but holo
tho burnt oker opens for spaceman
sorry I'm designating space as value gen
omg no
that would be fine
It's totally arbitrary
lol that would be om
I love it when i accidentally get photo Chad lol
burnt being scaling but space being value gen is just contradictory
feels fucked om
if space was 1/4 to generate a planet card of played hand then i see it being a value gen
but it straight up scales the hand like burnt
not quite
you can’t do burnt flushes (usually) but you can do space flushes
yes you can
ty
just discard a flush
uh huh
you can do burnt anything if you are brave enoguh
burnt strush 🔥
(i lost today forcing a burnt venus run)
wasting all hand so we can discard the winning hand is
a god tier joker
meta
gosh my mobile acc is never recovering from that one strush run
my neptune is still third 😭
i want to see someone go burnt straights without shortcut or 4 fingers on 52 card
just lost a black deck orange stake run with 5 uncommons and a baseball card and Straights, they were not enough as scoring options on top of Violet Vessel looming
had a decent level Straight that I did draw consistently too
i did that and ofc its for plasma
cancer deck
oh then you’d get away w it because you don’t need straights to win
you can discard straight then still win anyway
w your odd todd cards or smth..
pair pivot into straights is certainly a choice
i pair pivot into flush and then back into pair
it's normally fine.
6x planet scaling means you can catch up very quick
it was white stake does white stake count 😂
maybe with Merry Andy if you insist on no Shortcut/Four Fingers
cant escape pairslop
always counts ❤️
merry andy with burnt folk 😂
😭😭
fair
i don't understand this though lol
-1 hand size on straights..
3 discards should make it at least even
-1 size and merry andy doesnt really help burnt?
IDK…
red card is at +21 and i have no levels
thoughts? 
no merry wouldn’t work
oh wait
because
merry andy is another pairslop joker
troub would, merry wouldnt
immolate
u need something to undo the downside
b u r n
+3 mult is not worth -$20 and +5 cards
both are valid here
wait wait do you mean like discard the first straight and then use the extra discard to find another straight? @exotic silo
the decision being trance or immolate, not skipping
can a staright even be drawn by using hands to redraw cards
yeah
in hindsight, not a great strat but it would kind of work
finding the first straight with -1 handsize would be quite hard
at that point just put the troubadour in the bag
doubt that but its something?
yes
but not reliably
troubadour makes your life so much easier
so i continued this run from early where i got a shop 1 vaga and took odd todd for scoring but my judgement hits were kinda nuts
😭
holy fuck
RIGHT
fortune teller maxxing
Odd Todd for scoring not on plasma?
dawg i have no planet levels
chips are strong....
only flat mult
rip
100 bucks now
Wow you must really want black board huh
so i needed something
boh are you doing baron chud
lmfao I am so gonna die
black deck shenanigans
I
Mean better then marble
sell invis and gamble everything on big blind
trust
black deck is so fuckn bad it needs to be buffed
it’s always marble
i doubt blue stake rework is saving it
sells for $4
maybe instead of less hand it could use less discard?
that works
that sounds really good honestly
So, there was a Credit Card in the shop, so I took the gamble in case I get a crazy run, but no jokers showed up on the next shop lmfao, oh well
🥀
black deck shenanigans
another money shot
tbf I don't really care about win streaking as long as the runs are fun
make it eternal
lucky money shot is the best dopamine hit
so the +1 joker slot is cancelled out
just happened
gng whats the whole point of black deck
you get to play with a pretty black deck
got a mega spectral shop 1 with vagabond
and i got deja vu cryptid
atp we js playing gold deck but with money converted to jimbo
yellow deck sorry
Speaking of
fist is so strong
yeah fist is just way better lol
it single-handedly can make steel your x mult
for the whole run
as long as you find some chips and/or levels
yesh
fist synergizing with in-hand effects is great
even fist alone is great
i swear
fist run
it is calling for you
what did i tell you
free win ngl
byebye vagabond
unless plant
[i win without any jokers except fist technically]
true
no no dont kill vaga
bro
nah dude
im taking carto and baron
please
where is lucky cat when i need him
GNG NO
kill fortune
u know what u should kill
baron
baron
so he doesnt show up
yes
but i dont have this name for nothing
so you dont die to plant
yes
if i get wee
CHAT
its ante 5
thonk
the most fucky helly thonk
watch lucky cards never triggern ow
i would skip lol
om
FT is +23 veus is at 19 mult
Just won a Purple stake run with an Eternal Runner Joker that never got up past +0 chips
om
how does one
lmfao
it wants you
GET IT OUT
i haven't scaled either holo or yorick yet
and it gives me options for both
pick your poison 
lowk would sell blackboard for merry
i'm selling holo
_ _
it then gave acro, constellation, and holo again
in consecutive rerolls
kek
see the baron is fine
Erratic deck
Built it up to where I had 18 aces in a 45 card deck
Leveled up 5 OAK to level 10
Also had The Trio & The Family
ok i might sell blackboard for const
idk
I <3 yuri
you can survive without board i think]
i uh.. too late sorry…
its free win anyways
alternate universe where Bloodstone is called yuri
if you lose this ill murder
double time
surprised its not 1 mil
not much for hand levels
i did a 5oak with no levels bc that was the highest i could do
kek
tell me to ecto twin
ill do it
just say the word
you're the leader tell me to do it leader
cmonnn leader

TELL ME TO DO IT
fine
ankh
ur not the leader
then savescum
:(
i am
save scumming is absolutely halal with ankh
the only times im save scumming are with ankh or invis
i'd save scum in endless or if it's like
"idk if i have to play my blue seal for a better hand, and save scumming is faster than using a calculator"
if it's rng check on gold stake then nah save scumming feels cheap
save scumming on hands?
play hand and pause just before the score actually goes through
i do that when i dont wanna pull calc
i thought it saves progress after played hand
i never savescum on wheel 🔥
again, i can either
pull out a calculator and put in all the relevant info
or just save scum which takes about ten seconds
well yes but if you don't let the hand finish scoring you're fine
how do you see the score then?
it wouldnt until the score anim actually finishes
like
until it gets added to your total score
oh i guess on pc its doable
alt f4
on mobile sometimes i save scum when i fat finger and play a wrong hand
sometimes it works
sometimes i reopen the game and it calculated the hand
bbc think he part of the team 😂
endless player
no way am i seeing my score mid hand unless i turn on reduced motion
the boss blind cartomancer:
help
does smth atleast
do i get mime
over cat, probably
might as well
yawn first ever gold stake down
mime can do stuff, cat is
emotional support
i love kitty
linear scaling just ain't it
xd
rip cat
The save point is once you draw all of the cards for the next hand
A lot of the savescum save points are tied to all the cards returning to deck/ hand
idk ticket with chad gives a lot of mney
ok this might be too little
real
LMFAO
2 cards is lowk crazy
Any tips im new to the game
dont use baron
Helo gamers. 1 take gold stake run any deck. Which deck are we thinking bout.
Don't play black deck
checkered prolly
Some checkered action ok ok
Never thought about it but burglar+loyalty card is peak
rip i hate idol
first gs win
nice
should i sell photo? (score is around 1 bil w photo)
jus sell showman
u got what u needed
a 2nd copy joker
alr
yup
W
real
photo goes for baron since u have trib to carry u while u look for dna, 6th sense, or showman again
after that chad goes for anything u find
i always go baron
like anytime any situation
well yea ur white stake plasma
ik what ur doing dw
im his favorite victim ik a hc run when i see it
im js trying to find the white legendary since its my first save file so getting every joker out of the way helps
also first naneinf
well souls arent easy to find
(trying to)
yup
im gonna say this in the nicest way possible
i doubt you have the knowledge to naneinf if you dont have all the legendary jokers and its ur first save file
do u have bs unlocked?
can someone PLEASE explain to me what the mime joker does 😭
what is even bs
brainstorm
every card in your hand retriggers
dawg read the joker
i have 149 jokers discovered
trying to find the legendary to finish the collection
all held in hand abilities retrigger
i mean what does retrigger mean
retriggers held in hand stuff. stuff like stm, fist, blue seals, parking, baron, steel
for example your steel will give you 1.5x two times
like repeat the card
im trying to go for steel red seal baron
+the spectral crypt ofc
i doubt youll find a perkeo
you never know
??? Matador doesnt trigger on tooth wtf
best way is bean bug for ecto repeats and burger
burglar
i cant say burger bc u wont know what im talking abt
😭
and you have to get to ante 25/26 and use the serpent boss
burger snake
uhh i mean my best was with a burglar yup
bean burger
what ante
can i see somewhere? im not sure
u can check stats i think
burger snake is fine too but bean burger is better if you can get it to work
stats highest ante
nvm i wasnt even close
might try a baron mime run naneinf some time soon
true
yo 2p
have fun
double the pair slop
canon
holy shit im almost c++
omg same
i dont see the point in playing challenges on subsequent profiles
i already did challenge on my test profile so i save it for later in this prof
fair
hurray
test prof is so trash ngl
the no blind mf
chkt
chicot be like what if balatro was easier and worse
When the hell this game getting an update
someday
Oh so never
one of these days
it will
maybe before 2030?
but also why is a single player game so expected to have an update
before 2050
its a strange environment, video gaming these days
photos gone right
people being spoiled 🔥
fr
the game is released as designed, I find it strange that people think they are owed/ expect additional content
It's not like this is a live service game
you can hope for update
people expect every game to be an early access live service thing
why?
mf expecting finished game more updates 😄
i mean
dna?
yeh photo aint doing a lot
it does but dna is better
I mean we definitely are getting an update and we've had progress reports from thunk hinting at what will be in it, but it really is odd how many people don't know about that and still just have the basic expectation that there must be an update coming
it aint that deep 😭 , they just asked
why are we dna on trib build
glass
oh right i was thinking about pivoting to baron
LETS GO GAMBLING
bro bought magic trick
wheres the gambling
Wdym where's the gambling, one wrong bottomdeck and its over
god i love being the bottomdeck
uuuh sure i guess
mega unoptimal and deck fix on 1 suit 😂
just like flush god intended
I cant even deck fix
i never die from bottom decking every relevant AJ card tbh
Ancient is fully random
you can still make the deck smaller and add wilds
Sure
ive got 8 ball to work so much, i love 8 ball
Seance is the goat wdym
And then you get hit by one of the many boss blinds
That debuff your cards
game REALLY just gave me baron, troubadour and mime in one shop and expected me to not do it
i never got seance to work i just pick it up and give it free sticker lmao
well ye
it has issues
but its a lot of fun too
(i died ante 6 due to not drawing my kings)
8 ball with vamp why didnt i think of this
i always fixate on 8 ball retriggers
Any tarot gen with vamp
i was looking through my ss and saw this stupid ass run i did once 😭
is busted
rental baseball with NOTHING 😭
yes but i didnt see jt for some reason
it was there for comedic value
to cheer up the team
it was for sticker trust
i did have trousers at some point but it was rental and i had to sell it for roll value for the trib sadly 💔
its sheer aura carried the score
Just beat Black, Blue, and Purple stakes on Yellow consecutively
now lets beat cancer stake
I'm so confused
why do you only have four Jokers
🦓
not leaf
exactly, crimson
I just said I beat Blue Stake
now im confused too
uhm ok?
probably just didn't matter
do i have to cheer
trib 4oak clears
yeah it clears but like
i just got a double poly stencil run destroyed by needle
could have been another sticker
because i didnt draw my straight 😭😭😭😭
if i had a nickel for every straights run destroyed by ante 7 needle id be a millionaire
this is one of the many reasons why pairs are the only real hand
yes
obv
u have trib
pair proceed to not score enough
fire
skill issue unfortunately
sonnn
i love straights but needle destroys every single run with them
pairs die more to needle than straight tho
not even through score, i just dont draw the straight and explode 🐎🔥
i am very biased, but i dont die to late needle with straights that often its usually early needle kills straight runs
needle for straights is just take a strength into the round
and more often than not a drawn straight woulf overscore the needle by 10x
if i die to ante 7 needle on straights im doing something wrong with deck building
Snb clutch
the joke i'm making is that blue stake is cancer
i meant the inability to draw but i replied weird
I mean that is true but it's not super relevant to the needle
i will never deny that actually but
insanely frustrating because EVERY single time its ante 7 needle
if blue is cancer then gold might as well be the black plague
gold is fun
gold stake is fine
purple stake is the big difficulty bump and Blue stake is the variety muter
blue stake is like if nebula deck was a stake
also yeah i was looking for that
all money rerolled and NOTHING
hmmm
skill issue? yea
if it was old gs would it be the black plague
im still frustrated tho
what would you discard to draw a straight
2s and ace
5 is useless in that case
just in case u pull 6 and 4
Bro I really need hanging chad but I don’t know which joker to replace
5 could chain jsut less likely
cya baron
gotta love the moment i dont play gs
Yeah but thats less card discarded
perishable
the 2s and the ace no?
Relatively speaking in terms of jumps of difficulty from the previous stake, gold stake is the least punishing
Also yes you're correct
Oh shoot the moon
what if i hit the 40% and it comes clean
Gg I guess
anyone know if i should take invis for smth?
oh right
Just buy antibiotics shield , have you played plague inc?
Um do you mean Bacterial Resilience
☝️ 🤓
What mult on the cat
I would also throw the 5
also I'm realizing I only put seven cards there instead of eight so this didn't really demonstrate exactly what I wanted
Plague inc specific black plague scenario
i don't play official scenarios
for straights, you always prioritize throwing five cards unless you already have an open ended 4 card run
It is either drug resistance 3 or antibiotics shield I don't remember
prolly hope for queen high straight
jack high is ok
I usually play cure mode
but like who knows like the 10 has the same use case as the 5
plus depends how many discards i have
because it's twice the number of chips
Ik that the name in french is bacterial shell
which deck should i gold stake next
yep all the time rip
i don't have cure mode or the aliens dlc
fair enough
Do black stake
gng what
honestly that depends on whats in the deck in my opinion. if there is still many 6 and 4s but not many 9s in there i would prob keep the five
do u mean black deck
Yep
alr
why not
get the pain over with now
even tho i have to do it twice
should change my name
obviously it's assuming a base deck, Don't throw cards looking for a straight that doesn't exist anymore in your deck (obviously)
Shortcut
yea
but the perkeo
Either everything but ace 2 4 5 or 4 5 7 8 depending on what's left in the deck
Nat neg perkeo lmk
😭
sell rebate bruh take the perkeo
you should keep 10 8 7 and throw the rest
You know what run's dead anyway I'll be a lad
Thats depends a lot on the situation too, if u have a lot of discards left sure why not going for more chips
W
I got nat neg perkeo
LMFAO
searching for a single rank with 3 or 4 card draws ends up being worse than searching for any straight that has the remaining 3 ranks, by throwing 5 card draws
here we go...
i.e. holding 45 78 hoping for 6 is a lost cause
what if you have 35679xxx
the xxx does matter but lets assume theyre stone or something, i keep 567
I mean, isn't it even worse to hold the 7 8 10 since it requires u to draw specifically a 9 and then either a jack or a 6 ?
You have more chances to draw the cards you need when you're throwing more cards away
Oh yeah forgot bout that
if you watch doc in a straight game you can see the drawing patterns
but it's pretty rare for him to rely on straight as a scoring option
normally if he's playing straights it's just a scale runner and he's not drawing specifically for them
lets say 35679qqk. common scenario for me.
so you wouldnt keep the 9
priority is on throwing 5 cards, keeping the most connected 3
so yeah
The game is lowk ragebaiting u atp
gg e15 last hand
wheel doing something?
i see, so the goal is to get to connected 4 then connected 5
does it change anything if there's only one 3 and one 9 left to draw?
Omg I thought that said Piano
I think that circumstance only makes the draw I specified even better
if you don't draw for the straight that you already have some ranks in, you would basically just have to draw for an ace High straight
im not grasping this intuitively but maybe i just need some sleep
heres my question
if youre playing full houses and have the 3oak already but not the pair is it better to discard 4 or 5
5 i believe
(assuming holding a card you have 3 of)
every single second i spend playing purple stake makes me want to rip someone's spine out


