🕹・game-discussion

[hollow folio]

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[fringe nebula]

speak english please

[hollow folio]

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[viral raft]

hoal yo hablar espanol

[hollow folio]

ñ

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[viral raft]

okok mbmb

[ancient gyro]

most perkeo naneinfs don't really need voucher tag leverage

[viral raft]

is just funny the 214321th time

[serene forge]

i think the moral of this story is that you don't play endless on gold stake endless because it like sucks

[hollow folio]

im presenting me because im not sitting, i like to finish this and i dont like this presentation

[brittle ocean]

I would think selling mime is fine then? You could get rebate or ticket for econ easily enough while you wait for another mime and make gold cards right

[hollow folio]

oyeee

papuuuu

[brittle ocean]

Since you don’t need mime to survive and it’s only an uncommon

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 4

[ancient gyro]

i don't know the context, that's why I wanted a ss

[pallid galleon]

its basically not different to white stake endless

[humble gulch]

The spoiler

[hollow folio]

bendo al wey baron?

[brittle ocean]

Yeah idk either I’m also just guessing

Idt he can go back and take a ss

[pallid galleon]

the scoring is pretty much the same, only difficulty is eternals and perishables

[viral raft]

credit card

[humble gulch]

What, it didn't appear as an spoiler the first time...

[hollow folio]

ok

es q baron no me esta sirviendo xd

[brittle ocean]

Just harder to get it up and running right

[ancient gyro]

rule 2

[hollow folio]

rule 2??

wth is that

[ancient gyro]

harder to print money

[ancient gyro]

read it and find out

[viral raft]

don't speak spanish

basically

just english

[ancient gyro]

basically

[viral raft]

yep

[serene forge]

what

[ancient gyro]

all the plane ticket prices for osaka went up by 500 bucks for the days I'm off

[humble gulch]

.

🐑

[ancient gyro]

i saw that too

yeah thanks discord

[humble gulch]

Discord sometimes just stops working

[serene forge]

fuck discord

[humble gulch]

Bugcord

[serene forge]

nightcord at 25:00

[frank grove]

guys surely the ipo will make discord a better and less buggy place says guy who doesnt know 😨

[humble gulch]

Ippo?

[knotty zodiac]

gonna go the way of reddit eventually 🙁

[viral raft]

who the hell is ipo 😭

[brittle ocean]

Initial public offering

[viral raft]

oh

i see

[brittle ocean]

Basically when discord stocks start getting publicly traded

[viral raft]

ohhh i get it thanks for the context

damn i just get 3 immolates this run with ghost deck

sometimes feels so unfair how broken ghost can be sometimes

[brittle ocean]

What happened with Reddit

[viral raft]

what DIDN'T happened in reddit?

that's the question

[brittle ocean]

I got both of my c++ just spamming ghost lol

[viral raft]

my first 3 ones was with yellow mostly

[brittle ocean]

Well anaglyph first for negative tag spam then ghost after like 100/150

[viral raft]

i'll try ghost times time

[viral raft]

yeah i did that on my first one, kinda useless overall

[knotty zodiac]

pre ipo reddit vs now reddit

[hexed tundra]

Dude do I sell the photochad?

[noble mango]

PvP?!?!?

[humble gulch]

Drinking co,d water from a paper cup just tastes heavenly, the best water I've ever drank

[fringe nebula]

open jumbo spectral
skip cryptid because there's nothing worth copying
remembered that I had hologram

[noble mango]

Plants Vs Photochad

[fringe nebula]

plant vs zombies?

[viral raft]

4th immolate in this run

[humble gulch]

Imagine a zombie boss blind

[frank grove]

Imagine a pvz collab 🔥

(God how I wish ea didn’t get pvz 💔)

[viral raft]

when you defeat it returns with a 50% of his scoring requiment

or some lazy zombie thingy idk

[brittle ocean]

All played or discarded cards return to the deck debuffed

[noble mango]

imagine a zombie joker that gets disabled when you go vs the plant

[noble mango]

ho that's interesting

[viral raft]

Ea literally killed Popcap top to bottom :c

i miss GW2 and how good was PVZ1 on consoles

[humble gulch]

How about something related to digging in your deck

[viral raft]

Gift card is so underrated

[cedar sable]

you have 1 more joker slot

don't

[brittle ocean]

I think he wants both

[humble gulch]

Or just debuff number cards and that's it

[brittle ocean]

How hard is round 121 compared to just normal ante 39?

[humble gulch]

Not that much

[brittle ocean]

Mainly just gotta get lucky with vouchers right

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[brittle ocean]

That’s next on my bucket list then lol

I got round 117 yesterday and regretted double skipping for bean bug

[ancient gyro]

we don't need one of those

[humble gulch]

I just like the idea of a zombie boss blind

[cedar sable]

why does this took me a lot of time

[plain ermine]

really rude of the game to give this to me on green stake and not on gold

[slow iris]

you wouldn't have got yorick anyway

unless you already have all legendaries gold stickered

[plain ermine]

i stickered my last joker earlier, i'm doing the decks now

[slow iris]

oh

[plain ermine]

last one was dusk

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[calm furnace]

REEEEE FLUSHES DON'T SCALE REEEEE

[lapis blade]

perkeo accelerator

[humble gulch]

Level 32 and 66 mult is kind of lame

Same chips as pairs btw

[calm furnace]

half mult as pairs btw

[humble gulch]

Yeah, but you can spam pairs

[calm furnace]

perkeo would have been peak this run i had a glass joker that i sold

[calm furnace]

same with flushes

im level 32 because of burnt joker

[humble gulch]

Not really

[calm furnace]

its flush not straight flush not hard to spam

i didnt even have to use my goat arrowhead

[humble gulch]

It kind of is since it's a 5 cards hand

Also, you want the levels for the chips most of the time

[calm furnace]

thunk made jupiter scale that low because of how easy flushes are

[humble gulch]

Except that they're not

[calm furnace]

in poker flushes are worth more than straights

[humble gulch]

This isn't poker...

[calm furnace]

yeah thunk must have been drunk when he made flush scale less than straights then

[humble gulch]

Straights are harder to draw

[calm furnace]

you want the levels for mult too.

[calm furnace]

on a vanilla 52 card deck straights are easier to draw than flushes

[humble gulch]

Not really

[calm furnace]

yeah aight sure

i must be running cheat engine to win when i have 0 flat mult jokers

[frank grove]

where did you get this from?

[humble gulch]

Statistically you are right but try to draw three straights with 2 discards

[atomic trout]

Aww

[calm furnace]

the reasoning behind flushes scaling worse than other 5 hands is simple, flushes are the easiest to deck fix for

[humble gulch]

Except that pairs don't need deck fixing and they scale the same 🥀

[vale shale]

Helo gamers. 1 take gold stake run any deck. Which deck are we thinking bout.

[humble gulch]

Erratic

[vale shale]

👀

Erratic is hard to 1 take

[frank grove]

isnt this for general poker? this doesnt take into account discarding

[calm furnace]

scoring more than double is the same lmao

[frank grove]

the chips are basically the same which is what pair levels are good for

flush levels are good for things like photo/glass/aj

add half, or add abstract with 12 mult and the differences are less pronounced

[calm furnace]

yeah but still the math is with straights because a 52 card has more straight combinations than flush combinations

[humble gulch]

Also, you don't need the mult if you have +mult jokers

[noble mango]

golstak

[calm furnace]

thats like saying you dont need chips if you have chips joker

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[calm furnace]

then why even care about planet scaling?

just get a chip joker easy

[humble gulch]

Because levels are easier to get than chips jokers

There's just a few chips jokers

[calm furnace]

less scaling chip jokers yes

also blue stake indirectly nerf two chip jokers

#thanksObama

[humble gulch]

And playing flushes too

[tawny python]

Who is the shortest joker?

[humble gulch]

Wee

[calm furnace]

playing everything but HC/Pairs

[humble gulch]

Me when I ran out of thing to say

[calm furnace]

huh

you said something

i said something in agreement that adds to your point

[humble gulch]

I'm not talking about me

[echo sphinx]

holy stuntman

[terse vale]

gg until like ante 4 about

[icy fable]

Oh man

I wish balatro gets a discount soon
I want to give My friend a gift

[calm furnace]

now find an ankh

stuntman needs his twin

[icy fable]

Stuntwin

[serene forge]

which is why the base scoring for flush is more

[calm furnace]

yep

[fringe nebula]

gold stake run using a deck of your choice. choose 1

[serene forge]

abandoned

[fringe nebula]

ok

[calm furnace]

black

[humble gulch]

Why not two at the same time

[frank grove]

multi instance balatro when

[icy fable]

Silksong or balatro the first one to get a discount is the one i Will buy

[calm furnace]

blindfolded balatro when

[serene forge]

i think you should play slay the spire 2

[humble gulch]

Playing Balatro on my tablet and my phone at the same time 🔥

[fringe nebula]

on abandoned too 😭

[calm furnace]

just get balatro

[icy fable]

Nah

[calm furnace]

your loss ngl

[icy fable]

Too expensive for me ✌🏻

[fringe nebula]

i lost it

[icy fable]

Im waiting for discounts

[calm furnace]

its a game that can be infintely played

[humble gulch]

Gg, that was a good run

[terse dock]

Ghost

[brittle ocean]

The chance of getting a flush scales faster than straight with more cards

[calm furnace]

did steam spring sale end?

[brittle ocean]

Eg with 17 cards you’re guaranteed a flush

[icy fable]

Why is borderlands 2 on My steam account

[terse dock]

@humble gulch alright square the fuck up bitch 1v1 me

[icy fable]

i never bought or added this to My library

[humble gulch]

Bet

:3

[calm furnace]

with more cards on first hand draw or what?

[brittle ocean]

Idk how the odds compare with the first 8 cards on the first round

[broken glacier]

[red sparrow]

Great FUCKING useless

[calm furnace]

on first draw 52 cards straights have higher chance

[humble gulch]

I thought you meant like, in Balatro

[calm furnace]

now when factoing in further discards and shit idk

[terse dock]

hell naw I hate multiplayer

[fringe nebula]

thank you emperor

[calm furnace]

riff raff gave you the runner right?

[terse dock]

Credit card in the riff raff

[fringe nebula]

no

[humble gulch]

I don't even have multiplayer

[fringe nebula]

runner from shop 1 buffoon

[broken glacier]

This doesn't even help.

[terse dock]

Hell naw I hate balatro

[humble gulch]

So you like beating teens ❤️‍🩹

[terse dock]

I'm 16

[humble gulch]

But that doesn't change that I'm a teen

[terse dock]

Teen on teen violence is better than adult on teen violence

[humble gulch]

I guess

[flat yew]

bolatro is never this serious

[humble gulch]

You know what's better?, no physical violence

:3

[terse dock]

he snail reacted me

[terse dock]

body slam

[humble gulch]

Is that a Pokemon move

[terse dock]

1(0) energy ironclad common deal damage equal to your block

[humble gulch]

That won't stop me, I don't even know about Pokemon

🐘

[vale shale]

She ain't got no mult

[brittle ocean]

This is interesting stuff

I thought intuitively flush would overtake straight at around 9 or 10 cards but it’s a bit later than I thought

So I guess with one discard a flush is more likely?

By a small margin

Cause you’re usually discarding 4 cards while leaving 4 in your hand for a flush draw or straight draw

[hasty tendon]

holy skip

[fringe nebula]

abandoned deck op

gold stake run using a deck of your choice. choose 1

no response? sure I'll do a wheelspin

[errant hull]

They need to add a gears of war card

Idk how it would work tho

[light brook]

bro why whenever i get cloud nine its always eternal ✌️

[cyan bone]

One blueprint on each or both on photo?

[knotty zodiac]

thank you chigoat

[errant hull]

If you could play only one hand type

What would it be

[knotty zodiac]

uh... high card?

balatro is pretty dangerous without being able to play high card

[errant hull]

Honestly kinda smart

[knotty zodiac]

maybe flush ig

cant really pass ante 1 without flush or straight

ya itd be a lot of checkered flush

[errant hull]

I was gonna pick flush tbh

[knotty zodiac]

ya fair choice

[frank grove]

strong ass yorick 😭

[knotty zodiac]

loool did you find andy and both discard vouchers?

[frank grove]

red deck, one discard voucher, and drunkard 😭

rediculous stuff 😭

[knotty zodiac]

scales quicker than obby lmao

[frank grove]

i wish i couldve scaled obby more but i one shot with high card there 😭

[brittle ocean]

You’ve inspired me to try a pair only run

[knotty zodiac]

lots of a1 skips?

[brittle ocean]

I think the only way is blue deck with five face card pairs or getting a charm skip?

Probably charm is easier

[frank grove]

charm tag for judgement is usually the angle for that kinda stuff yeah

[carmine berry]

EVERY HAND IS A STRAIGHT FLUSH

[brittle ocean]

Maybe this isn’t that interesting lol

Just a matter of finding a good joker ante 1 and the rest is just classic pair spam

[errant hull]

Do it

[knotty zodiac]

mm if you commit to the only pair part it is a bit interesting bc you can miss draws

have to be more conservative with discards

[brittle ocean]

It’s kinda hard to miss pair draws when you have discards tho right

[knotty zodiac]

less digging

[brittle ocean]

I feel like I end up not using most of my discards when pair spamming

[frank grove]

rental credit card 😭

[knotty zodiac]

harder econ, less blue seal activations

[brittle ocean]

Oh right once I get blue seals in my deck I discard spam once I’m 1 hand away

[knotty zodiac]

but i think overall youre right. imo pairless is more interesting

[brittle ocean]

Black deck gold stake pair only? 😂

What does your name mean btw @knotty zodiac

[knotty zodiac]

pairless 5-streak (gold stake gauntlet)

[brittle ocean]

Oh wow

[fringe nebula]

hallucination going wild

[brittle ocean]

I never hit any streak cause I always reset a bunch lol

Optimizing for irl time

[knotty zodiac]

mm ya more wins in less time

[flat tiger]

i think I got 5 streak in black and 3 streak in purple, thats about it

[brittle ocean]

I think after I got my first c++ my best winstreak on my profile was 2 😂😂😂

Pretty telling of how reset happy I was

[flat tiger]

i dont care too much about ante 1 reset

[brittle ocean]

Yeah but it counts as a loss for profile winstreak purposes

[flat tiger]

after I die enough times to not getting 2 5 card hands in the ante 1 boss

especially in challenges, no reason to bother with bad start

[frank grove]

i never reset anymore but i used to reset a ton when i first was doing gold stake stuff

[knotty zodiac]

my reason is to demonstrate (to myself) mastery over the randomness. but to each their own

balatro has easy reset bc a lot of people like resets

and it has the streak counter, bc some players like an extra challenge

[flat tiger]

after dying enough to just not getting 2 flush/straight in ante 1 boss, I just cant care anoymore, you die before anything you can do

[brittle ocean]

You don’t pick up a joker beforehand?

[flat tiger]

you dont always get a joker

scoring joker

[knotty zodiac]

its the moments where i'm on the very edge like this that can be really exciting for me

[brittle ocean]

Fair

So annoying when you’re like 570 and the 8 cards in your hand are unpaired

[flat tiger]

half the time you get only one econ joker or you only get 2 shit eternal that you really dont want to take

and you HAVE TO draw 2 5 card hands

[knotty zodiac]

the shit eternals are part of the vibe xD

[frank grove]

yeah

[knotty zodiac]

at least thats what i tell myself

[flat tiger]

aka you can just die before you can do anything because the game just low rolls you in the ante 1 boss

you can have 4 diamonds and after all the discard and throw away hands you still have 4 diamonds

[knotty zodiac]

mm i find that i think this when im tilted but when im calm, i see more solutions

a few times yes, to hook and manacle. but almost everything else has an out

[frank grove]

yeah i havent died in ante 1 not on black deck in a really really long time

[humble gulch]

What do you mean my first C++ was 4 months ago

[flat tiger]

it happened not even rarely with the above suituation, you get 4 of one suit, and u use up the discard and throwaway you still ahve 4 of that suit

[humble gulch]

Now I have 5...

[frank grove]

WHAT a good first shop my god

[humble gulch]

Spectral.

[flat tiger]

i would rocket, if i die i die

[knotty zodiac]

nova probably just a little better than rocket? wdyt?

[flat tiger]

now that I am C+ I dont even want to play pair

[fringe nebula]

gold stake run using a deck of your choice. choose 1

[humble gulch]

Erratic

[frank grove]

painted

[flat tiger]

black deck

[fringe nebula]

erratic then

[flat tiger]

[knotty zodiac]

scholar wee let's go

[flat tiger]

Magic Deck is most fun for me, let the game points you a direction

[fringe nebula]

magic deck enjoyer

🤝

[flat tiger]

you know wee is not showing up this run

[humble gulch]

So... It took two months to get my second C++... and then I got three more in one month...

[fringe nebula]

it took me 2 months for c++, and then I took a break for a year

from balatro

[flat tiger]

it took me 190 hour to C+ all challenge, I am slow

[knotty zodiac]

what else did you play

[humble gulch]

My longest break was two months long

[fringe nebula]

https://youtu.be/GlLMepvTRVo

[humble gulch]

Of course

[flat tiger]

just watching people play that game give me brain damage

its insane

[humble gulch]

I'm more of a strategic thinking/fast thinking guy

[knotty zodiac]

my old man reflexes could never wow

[flat tiger]

play xcom then

[humble gulch]

I have great reflexes... when I focus in one thing solely

When I get swarmed I just die

[fringe nebula]

good

[humble gulch]

How many aces?

[humble gulch]

And I don't like Touhou just because of that

I also fucking hate plane levels in Cuphead 😭

[flat tiger]

i mean metal slug is mroe then enough for me, touhou is 1000 levels above it

[fringe nebula]

8/53

[humble gulch]

Go three of a kind

[humble gulch]

I love slugging metal

[flat tiger]

you go 4oak with only 8/53?

[ivory reef]

I hate this game

[flat tiger]

sell

i would say worth

[knotty zodiac]

what's a "nonperishable" joker?

[hardy sun]

theres no universe I take this in right

my deck is half and half steel/gold

[brittle ocean]

You’re not replacing it for baron?

[hardy sun]

should I?

[brittle ocean]

Nvm didn’t realize this isn’t plasma

[hardy sun]

ok

[brittle ocean]

Idk how survivable it is on non-plasma

[hardy sun]

hmm, I think if I get ante matter into showman its possible

I need more handsize as well...

[brittle ocean]

Is that a negative invis lol

[pallid galleon]

infinity stones ahh loadout

[hardy sun]

yep nat neg

[brittle ocean]

I’m guessing you’re holding onto that until after you have antimatter and a full build?

[hardy sun]

yep

[ivory reef]

YOU RAGGEDY ASS BITCH

[cosmic sun]

secret half joker passive

[flat tiger]

30 straights in ante 8 is crazy

[hardy sun]

yeah I'm just waiting on anti matter -> showman -> bp or bs or baron or mime

[brittle ocean]

You wouldn’t happen to have a random level 20 pair would you?

[ivory reef]

10x2 take it or leave it

[gaunt burrow]

some of the negative joker look worse than it foil edition

[brittle ocean]

Gg

[silk bramble]

Black deck is best deck. My opinión

[pallid galleon]

brainstorm starts sweating

[hardy sun]

plasma all the way

[flat tiger]

black deck is not as bad as people make it out to be

its only early game that is harder

[silk bramble]

Plasma overrated

[hardy sun]

it kills interest and scaling joker

[silk bramble]

Is my opinión. Real

[hardy sun]

naahhhhh

[silk bramble]

A I'm no Lie

[gaunt burrow]

most of the deck people say bad jst make the early worse , expect plasma deck

[flat tiger]

you die in ante 7-8 with plasma when you get spammed with + mult, you die 2 min into a black deck run, who cares

[ivory reef]

black deck best deck
plasma deck overrated

Never cook again

[silk bramble]

Black deck gold stake is my gold stake favorite

[gaunt burrow]

overhated ?,bc no people even rated plasma deck high

[fringe nebula]

I went for 4oak build instead

[south monolith]

I'm cooked

[flat tiger]

you literally need chip spam or xmult stacking with plasma, yet +mult is most common, how is plasma anywhere above average if we are to rank the decks

[frank grove]

🔥

[silk bramble]

Look, I don't speak English perfectly, I'm learning, but when did I ever try to cook? I'm just trying to give my opinion since we're on a Balatro server, and I want to know if anyone supports me or not because on other servers, hardly anyone gives their opinion.

[gaunt burrow]

i have the worst experince with plasma , it keep give me violet vessel

[flat tiger]

you literally need chip spam or Xmult stacking, both are way more rare then +mult, which does nothing without Xmult in plasma

[ivory reef]

Black deck can be good, but the fact it takes a hand makes the early game brutal for Econ

Plasma is difficult only if you can’t get chip scaling

[brave fox]

Hey yall if I use smeared joker with flower pot would I cut the requirements in half? Like I can just use a hand with hearts and spades and get the pot to go off?

[flat tiger]

you can just not have a single Xmult in a run, which you can still win with other deck, not with plasma

[brittle ocean]

Pretty sure you still need four

At least that’s the case with wild cards

[gaunt burrow]

possible jst harder , like my 1st plasma win

[silk bramble]

Black deck in early in my opinión and perspective Is normal. No Easy but normal

[ivory reef]

Plasma is stupid easy if you only do chips

[flat tiger]

you need 2 red and 2 black cards still

[brave fox]

I was just wondering since it makes the cards the same

[flat tiger]

you need to have a full roster of chips, which again is way more rare then +mult

[brittle ocean]

Like for wild cards, the wild can take on a suit you’re missing

But I haven’t tried with smeared so it’s just a guess

[ivory reef]

Stuntman and a blueprint disagrees

[flat tiger]

i dont know how to make smeared discribsion better but it can "push" a suit into something that benifits you

[flat tiger]

thats not enough to win plasma, you need 800-1k

[gaunt burrow]

this litterly 2 of my run that destroy by the violet vessel

[brittle ocean]

Is plasma the deck with the biggest difficulty gap between white and gold?

[ivory reef]

Smeared with ancient goes crazy

[gaunt burrow]

my first gold stake plasma win, is jst wee and retrigger

[brittle ocean]

Cause white feels piss easy if you find like one chip joker to farm Econ for a few antes

[solar meteor]

pretty much

[flat tiger]

it can make 2 spades activate seeing double for example, but I am not sure how a description can describe that without making a wall of text

[humble gulch]

My arm gets so tired from ADOFAI ❤️‍🩹

[solar meteor]

did you say ado

❣️

[gaunt burrow]

you could win plasma white stake while skipping all blinds

[solar meteor]

as you can any other deck

[humble gulch]

Not that Ado

[flat tiger]

surely yes, you can win everything below purple jsut by having 2 chip jokers

[solar meteor]

awh

[serene forge]

me when I lie

[fringe nebula]

4oak

[brave fox]

Im still trying to get gold on black deck lol, what yall think the soul will be

[serene forge]

odo

[humble gulch]

:(

[echo sphinx]

this sucks

[brittle ocean]

You can save scum it

[echo sphinx]

-# g

[flat tiger]

i thought grimbo is free win?

[echo sphinx]

no

[serene forge]

why did we open a pack with 8 dollar

[brittle ocean]

He knew the soul would give 10 back

[gaunt burrow]

no lol

[brave fox]

Idk lol I like tarot cards

[solar meteor]

all chips run on plasma is the more common approach in gs

chip value requirements for plasma
(violet vessel requirements in parentheses)
1 hand: 1789 (3099)
3 hands: 1033 (1789)
4 hands: 895 (1550)

[flat tiger]

people say so, people even say hiker ante 1 is free win

[echo sphinx]

glass mult
glass joker
levels
grimbo

flint says nope

[humble gulch]

I don't think he knows what gold stake is

[flat tiger]

chip jokers basically as rare as Xmult, + mult is the most comon which is why plasma need mroe RNG then other decks, you cannot win with +mult alone

[echo sphinx]

square

[solar meteor]

planets
retriggers
money
2p
etc

[gaunt burrow]

no , it insanly hard if you rely on your chips

[lime remnant]

swash worth it?

[flat tiger]

which you can do with other decks too

[serene forge]

moral of the story plasma sucks

[serene forge]

no

[fringe nebula]

?

[solar meteor]

plasma has an exclusive priority to rely on these resources

[frank grove]

yeah but chips are more impactful on plasma whats your point here

[flat tiger]

you can planet steel whatever in every deck, but you need to stack xmult or stack chips specifically with plasma because + mult does nothign on their own in plasma

[gaunt burrow]

2p?

[echo sphinx]

your egg is gonna be munched, nah

[solar meteor]

2 pair

[brittle ocean]

White vs gold stake be like

[serene forge]

I hate Plasma Deck

[brave fox]

Ended up with canio haven't seen him in a good minute

[hardy sun]

can I get naninf yet with the serpent, assuming invis misses and hits perkeo

[brave fox]

I usually end up with chicot 😭

[humble gulch]

Gg

[fringe nebula]

gold stake run using a deck of your choice. choose 1

[worldly geyser]

o bsvartory

[gaunt burrow]

gold deck

[digital pewter]

red deck

[humble gulch]

I'd say chicot is pretty good in black deck

[fringe nebula]

yellow deck? sure

[hardy sun]

too alte for that no?

[worldly geyser]

negative inv joker 😭😭

[worldly geyser]

you could try and find a hieroglyph

its never too late for anything

[hardy sun]

what are you talking about bro...

[gaunt burrow]

it pretty good

[brave fox]

For sure not having to worry about bosses dont hurt

[hardy sun]

why would I throw away cryptids for observatory which hasn't even appeared yet

you would need like 100 plutos

[serene forge]

rule 10

[worldly geyser]

yeah true actually

[fringe nebula]

Should I take ante 1 shop 1 holographic marble and go for high card build

[brittle ocean]

Do yiu have serpent coming up

[worldly geyser]

i mean you could find a steel joker and just spam cryptid

[serene forge]

take

[hardy sun]

yeah

[humble gulch]

I love marble

Marble is so fun

[serene forge]

steel joker is so good for naneinf strategy

[solar meteor]

better chips than speculative multiple xmult jokers

[hardy sun]

idk if its enough yet but if I don't do it here then I'd have to ustart using full steal instead of gold

[lime remnant]

smart individual

[fringe nebula]

sure let's go

[brittle ocean]

Oh

With gold I doubt it’s enough

[worldly geyser]

steel joker

omfg

😭😭

i meant to say king

[hardy sun]

yeah I think I'ma just wait

[brittle ocean]

Or do you have at least one red steel that you can copy

[hardy sun]

of course

[serene forge]

triboulet is not a naneinf joker either

[hardy sun]

it's half and half rn

[flat tiger]

game telling you to not play pair? SIGN ME UPPP

[worldly geyser]

e18 at best

[hardy sun]

I score e15 with full gold but if I play with steel in hand that should get me past 2 more antes

fuck it I'ma just wait for antimatter

[solar meteor]

source?

[lime remnant]

space is hitting like crazy

[gaunt burrow]

but you still need money and other things right?

[brittle ocean]

I think with those jokers you need 110 red steels in hand

[solar meteor]

that’s not limited to plasma but yes

[humble gulch]

I usually score e70 with idol (plasma)

[brittle ocean]

You could save scum to see what the invis gives

[hardy sun]

wdym save scum>

[brittle ocean]

And if it copies anything other than perkeo or scary face you can naneinf

[hardy sun]

yeah i'm selling the scary face 100%

[brittle ocean]

Sell invis, if it’s not what you want you can exit to the main menu

Not sure if it works in the shop

I know if you open a pack, the game doesn’t save until you go back to the shop

[gaunt burrow]

yeah so say you only need chips is false

[worldly geyser]

its a negative inv

😭

[brittle ocean]

Yeah

[hardy sun]

I got perkeo.....

[solar meteor]

what

[brittle ocean]

So you only get one shot

[lime remnant]

if only madness was eternal

[brittle ocean]

Go to main menu

[hardy sun]

nah I closed it in time tho

[brittle ocean]

And go back

[hardy sun]

yeah it's back

[brittle ocean]

If you want I can check the math again

[solar meteor]

my scoring was mainly chips from that plasma run

[hardy sun]

nah that's alright thanks

I'll just wait one more ante to stack up cryptids

[brittle ocean]

But I’m like 90% sure if you sell the perkeo and copy another joker you get naneinf

[lime remnant]

could be boots?

[brittle ocean]

With 4 copy jokers you need 88 red steel cards on hand on non-plasma

[hardy sun]

okok thanks, I;ll just play it out tho it's pretty fun hah

[versed sable]

seems ok to me

[brittle ocean]

Gl!

[lime remnant]

sticker 🤤

[hardy sun]

wtf I got nat neg constelation and four fingers

[gaunt burrow]

i think i read that guy mes wrong , but it not "stupid easy" if you only care about your chips joker and not other aspect of the game

[solar meteor]

what if i just don’t show up in vc tmr lol

[solar meteor]

what are you talking about

[humble gulch]

Hi there

[solar meteor]

all i’ve stated was that you can win with mainly chips as your scoring source on plasma as that’s more consistent than forcing an unlikely event of stacking multiple xmult jokers or cards for a higher score ceiling

[solar meteor]

no

[humble gulch]

Too late

[lime remnant]

chads ok here?

[solar meteor]

you should start reading boss blinds more often

[brittle ocean]

Baron mime 🌚

[hardy sun]

is 3mime 2 baron better than 2mime 3baron

[solar meteor]

maybe

[humble gulch]

Hook

[solar meteor]

yeah

[humble gulch]

Hmmm

[brittle ocean]

2 mime 3 baron is better

[lime remnant]

all in stm 🔥

[brittle ocean]

Each red steel king is effectively two mimes and one baron

[versed sable]

cards trigger once just by existing
extra baron is more score than extra mime

[solar meteor]

what about it

[humble gulch]

That's not too bad

[hardy sun]

thanks, I'ma try to get it now

[brittle ocean]

Gl!

[brittle ocean]

Are you not gonna sell the perkeo before activating invis

[solar meteor]

no

[brittle ocean]

Then you can get 3 baron 3 mime

[hardy sun]

I forgot to do that but it still gave me mime...

[warm wedge]

5 baron 5 mime is better

[hardy sun]

could that be because I got more nat negs?

[gaunt burrow]

it aint benefit your fib

[brittle ocean]

Oh yeah

[hardy sun]

interesting

[humble gulch]

I'm not playing for fib

[brittle ocean]

Your invis rng probably rolled a high number

[versed sable]

i like this

[brittle ocean]

Basically it’s the random number mod however many jokers you have

[warm wedge]

you whale

[solar meteor]

but that’s only 1 baron 1 mime

:3

[warm wedge]

well blueprint is tech copy park

[brittle ocean]

What hand size is this

[versed sable]

[versed sable]

59

[brittle ocean]

Holy shit 😂

[humble gulch]

I mean

[versed sable]

i like my score potential

[cedar sable]

what website is this

[versed sable]

lol

serpent max

i might do this at last hand of ante 39 just to say i did it

[cedar sable]

i see

thanks

[versed sable]

just google 'balatro calculator'

[cedar sable]

nvm

LOL

[cedar sable]

ok thanks

[versed sable]

lol

[hardy sun]

ayyy did the lineup wrong but got it

[brittle ocean]

Is that 4 mime 2 baron 😭

[rugged onyx]

thanks i've been needing something to help grind gold stickers and that should help

[hardy sun]

yeah lmaoooo I wasn't thinking at all

[warm wedge]

move the blooprint to baron?

[fringe nebula]

rerolled crimson heart just to die to vessel

🥀

[ancient gyro]

capital punishment

[warm wedge]

too much much

[calm furnace]

another easy flush W with the goat JJ

[brittle ocean]

No glass spam?

[calm furnace]

been a while i havent had a Jj run

[fringe nebula]

how am I supposed to find glass when I have literally 23 stone cards in deck

[calm furnace]

playing a hand with both stone and glass should make the glass break

change my mind

[brittle ocean]

Oh you were on a hc run

[fringe nebula]

I just felt like doing something funny, so I took ante 1 shop 1 eternal marble joker

[ancient gyro]

marlboros

[brittle ocean]

I think that’s a valid pick no?

[ancient gyro]

no

[calm furnace]

crazy pickup ngl

especially without stone or hologram already in the deck

[brittle ocean]

Is stone that bad

[calm furnace]

stone cards are great

[fringe nebula]

stone is decent

[calm furnace]

but not having like 40 of them

[fringe nebula]

especially when you're lacking in chips

[brittle ocean]

I’m not much of an expert in gold stake runs lol

[calm furnace]

stone joker is good

[fringe nebula]

stone card + obelisk my beloved

[calm furnace]

and stone cards are good enhancments in general

[ancient gyro]

stone is decent
23 stones in addition to a regular deck is questionable without specific run direction

[calm furnace]

but marble joker dilutes the deck a lot

[flat tiger]

stone is good for hard card/pairs but at the same time if I am doing high card/pairs I have good chips somehwere, like stuntman or just planet levels

[calm furnace]

marble is the type of joker you want for a while, not the entire run

[ancient gyro]

hard card

[flat tiger]

what is harder then stone card

[humble gulch]

Please... be yorick

[ancient gyro]

marble is a funny joker that both helps and hurts obbylicks

[humble gulch]

YESS

[calm furnace]

if marble added that stone card right into your hand like certificate does

it would be better

[ancient gyro]

not by much

[flat tiger]

that true

[calm furnace]

can at least guarantee some form of synergy with vampire

[flat tiger]

if i am playing hands that I can add a stone card, I dont really need the 50 chips

[calm furnace]

can guarantee a talisman on the first draw

and talisman on stone cards goes great

[calm furnace]

50 chips is great tho

can never say no to 50 chips unless you have blue seals or runner/wee/castle

[flat tiger]

not when I am playing pairs or high card, if I am doing that it is like lv10 or more, 50 chps matter less and less

[calm furnace]

also chad + stone cards is guaranteed chips for the run

stone cards have a lot of utlity

and the 50 chips is great

[brittle ocean]

@calm furnace random question do you actually play three of a kind a lot

[warm wedge]

lucky ducky

[solar meteor]

i’ve used it a lot on my pairless++ gsg attempts

[calm furnace]

4th (kinda 3rd) most usef hand

pluto stats higher than they should because i used to play a lot of HC before i did C+

i was convinced that HC is bets hand before i discovered pair slop

[brittle ocean]

That sounds hard af

[solar meteor]

it’s supposed to be

[brittle ocean]

What’s ++ gsg

[humble gulch]

HEY

[solar meteor]

c++

[calm furnace]

so for gold staking, 3oak is technichally my 3rd most used hand after pair and flush

[flat tiger]

pairless is basically "how about I high card instead"

[solar meteor]

gsg is c+ without losing

rotating through each deck

[brittle ocean]

So do you have to get c++ and c+ without losing?

[calm furnace]

c++ is just gold sticker on all jokers

[solar meteor]

c+ without losing for the gsg

i’m just adding pairless as a spice up on my pairless++ since i got bored just doing pairless++

[brittle ocean]

Oh did you mean pairless++ and gsg as two separate things

[solar meteor]

and i already did gsg last year

well i’m doing both on the same profile

[brittle ocean]

For a second I thought you were doing pairless gsg while getting c++

[solar meteor]

that is what i’m doing

[brittle ocean]

👀

[knotty zodiac]

close but not really

[solar meteor]

what is planet L doing there

[flat tiger]

when you play an unintended hand by accident

[knotty zodiac]

there was one run where i wouldve died if i played 4oak final hand instead of playing planet X

[solar meteor]

they picked up a planet in addition to that

o

[calm furnace]

5oak one shotting A2 boss is neat

[brittle ocean]

When do you this do you do it on an unlock all profile

Or work your way up to gold stake on every deck

[knotty zodiac]

andy doesnt, i do. i cant be bothered to play 100 non gs games

[solar meteor]

depends on the c++ challenge

if it’s like single deck c++ i don’t unlock all

if it’s rotating i do

since i play like once a week

[brittle ocean]

Oh only once a week? Damn

[knotty zodiac]

man's here for the vibes lol

[flat tiger]

well theres a lot of Dad's game to play this year

[calm furnace]

balatro being on phone is just too convenient

[knotty zodiac]

isnt the collection still a pita tho?

[calm furnace]

i play balatro sometimes while playing other games at the same time

[solar meteor]

pita chips

[knotty zodiac]

extra hummus

[flat tiger]

if anything isnt keeping some of the jokers locked better when you are making C+ or C++ progress?

[solar meteor]

my collection is fully unlocked on my 7th profile

[knotty zodiac]

its prob good for streaking but ya tedious

[solar meteor]

my black++ profile is still missing a couple vouchers

[calm furnace]

what bad jokers are locked

i forgot

[solar meteor]

no, i like to get bad jokers stickered out of the way

it’s also kinda disingenuous to the sport

[calm furnace]

feels like on gold stake challenges playing with the 150 collection is like part of the challenge

[knotty zodiac]

its kinda tempting to never see satellite round 1 tho

[solar meteor]

i don’t mind satellite

[calm furnace]

what did satellite do to you

[flat tiger]

satelite for one, on the weaker side

[knotty zodiac]

take up a slot in a1 store

[calm furnace]

but its a decent econ joker

it makes opening planet packs that whiff profitable

[solar meteor]

i can think of a few more locked uncommons that gets labeled as a stinker

[calm furnace]

that alone is great value

[compact gazelle]

i think depending on the playstyle for c++ and the specific constraints it’s probably worth the dead weight additions to the pool to be able to sticker more things at any time instead of having to target unlock and sticker things after the rest is done more often than not

[knotty zodiac]

my winrate goes up if it's removed from the game im pretty sure

[calm furnace]

its like red card but for econ

[calm furnace]

lol imagine instead of satellite game actually rolled a bad joker

like showman

or idol

if anything having satellite reduce the chance of seance/showman/idol/boots/flower pot is great

now if i could ever play the game without seeing showman/idol/boots yeah im sold for those 3

[knotty zodiac]

this is not a good analysis. the average joker quality goes up when satellite is removed

[calm furnace]

satellite is taking an uncommon spot

no satellite = another uncommon comes in its place

[compact gazelle]

“adding in a couple cyanide pills to my random roulette of drugs that i take one of every day makes it less likely that i roll one of the REALLY bad ones like concentrated botulinum”

[calm furnace]

removing satellite wont make blueprint appear in your shop

[flat tiger]

also you cant even do C++ without losing legit because some jokers need you to lose to unlock

[calm furnace]

it will increase the chance of other uncommons showing

[knotty zodiac]

yes, and most of the uncommons are better than satellite...

[calm furnace]

crazy statement

[solar meteor]

i can understand both sides

[calm furnace]

you have a valid argument but you picked the wrong joker 😭

[silk python]

huh

[compact gazelle]

“removing the bombs from the ball pit makes it more likely that one of the balls is the bioweapon so removing the bombs is a bad idea”

[knotty zodiac]

if you have good enough econ to take advantage of satellite, odds are you're going to find a good econ joker.

[silk python]

how strange

[fluid zealot]

Which uncommons are worse than satellite

[calm furnace]

huh?

[silk python]

I cant take them but thats cool

[calm furnace]

idol showman boots flower pot seance

thats just the top of my head

to the moon is less table than satellite

[solar meteor]

3rd worst econ joker, but still an econ joker in the sense that it functions as ft for moneys

[calm furnace]

bloodstone

[fluid zealot]

I’m not asking like rhetorically I’m just curious lol

[solar meteor]

what

[compact gazelle]

boots and flower pot are about even with satellite
pareidolia is contextually arguable as joining the other three

[flat tiger]

i like satelite infinitely more then delay gra

[calm furnace]

no its not boots is legit bad

satelite is decent

[frank grove]

idol, showman, bloodstone probably others if i think a bit more but at the end of the day satellite is still econ

[calm furnace]

what?

to the moon doesnt give money when you dont have money = less stable

[compact gazelle]

what’s ft stand for am i dumb again :3

[solar meteor]

fortune teller

[humble gulch]

Hehe

[ebon condor]

wait satellite? which econ jokers are worse im curious?

[solar meteor]

somethings gone terribly wrong if you don’t have 20 bucks in your pocket

[calm furnace]

what does this have to do with what i said?

[solar meteor]

ticket and del grat

[compact gazelle]

boots is floor tier flowerpot is floor tier and satellite is floor tier

[calm furnace]

im comparing how the jokers fucntion

[ebon condor]

ill accept this

[calm furnace]

and the ox exists

satelite gives momey after the ox, to the moon does not

[solar meteor]

“ttm is less table 🪵 than satellite”

[knotty zodiac]

@calm furnace

here's the first 15 unconditional uncommons on balatrowiki:

stencil
four fingers
mime
dagger
marble
loyalty card
fibonnaci
hack
parei
space
burglar
blackboard
sixth sense
constellation
hiker

when my run is losing, i would much rather see most of these than satellite

[calm furnace]

and? did i factually say anything wrong?

[compact gazelle]

beat ox with bootstraps particle accelerator I don’t wanna hear it
:3
and for the record I don’t disagree with satellite being econ and econ being good but I saw a statement that was really easy to make jokes about up there :>

[solar meteor]

that’s an a6 boss blind, idc what happens to ttm on a rare interaction

[calm furnace]

hiker 😭

[solar meteor]

table

[calm furnace]

i forgot that hiker exists

[knotty zodiac]

hiker is way better early than satellite

[humble gulch]

To the moon is unstable if your economy is also unstable, so does satellite, it's just that satellite is worse

[calm furnace]

stable

[solar meteor]

i’ll take ttm in more conditions than satellite in streak runs

[ebon condor]

i dont get the argument that ttm is worse than satellite ttm gives +5 fairly consistently and satellite requires more investment for the same amount

[solar meteor]

its effort requirements are far lower to meet

[calm furnace]

not saying its worse

[ebon condor]

then what are you saying?

[compact gazelle]

I didn’t quite pick that up could you say that again for those of us in the back of the room
to the moon is worse than satellite? well that’s certainly a concept

[frank grove]

less stable cause of two bosses?

[calm furnace]

ttm is not as cosnsitent

[calm furnace]

as in its condition is being above interest

[ebon condor]

thats still false though

[calm furnace]

sometimes you happen to be below interest

[solar meteor]

it’s a cheaper, more quirky golden joker. not taking it is a questionable blunder

[ebon condor]

it consistently gives you $5 most of the time

[knotty zodiac]

when are you taking planets when you are not at interest cap?

[frank grove]

less consistant and less stable are both things that typically make cards worse, but also ttm is more consistant and more stable than satellite is on avg what

[lime remnant]

last second photo saves my ass

[calm furnace]

when i need scoring

[ebon condor]

i can accept the argument that its less stable, because yes it is, as it can go down and satellite cannot

[knotty zodiac]

so, 1 or 2 saturns

[ebon condor]

but thats different from consistency

[knotty zodiac]

every so often

[ebon condor]

those arent the same argument

[calm furnace]

thats all what i was saying 😭

[compact gazelle]

to the moon: “yo have $25 and for $5 I’ll give you $5”
satellite: “yo trust me bro I need you to buy and use as many random planets as possible. yea that $6 pack for the half chance of an earth that you’ll never make any use of. yea that one”

[solar meteor]

this is an econ discussion, not a scoring discussion. i can still die with rebate

[calm furnace]

he asked me when i open packs

[compact gazelle]

it’s not correct to say “oh satellite is immune to having its payout reduced that must mean it’s more consistent”

[solar meteor]

i outed you for saying that ttm is less stable than satellite which requires an active purchase

[humble gulch]

Which do you prefer?, double your interest or waste money on random planets or skip a hand level for 1 dollar

[solar meteor]

spend 4 dollars to gain 1 dollar

(per round)

[calm furnace]

you dont open packs to scale satellite

[frank grove]

spend 4 dollars to get the money back an ante later 🔥 much better than ttm

[solar meteor]

🗿

[compact gazelle]

I do however agree that satellite is more consistent than to the moon
consistently giving $2 a round for the same price as drivers license
consistently bad to put it bluntly
to the moon is less consistent in how much it may pay out every round of a run but far more consistent at being a good joker

[calm furnace]

staellite is there as +1 dolalr when the pack whiffs

[ebon condor]

the satellite issue is that the norm for econ jokers is that they are expected to pay themselves back in <2 rounds

[knotty zodiac]

and hope you never need to trash satellite and make room for scoring

bc when you do you're probably not seeing another one

[solar meteor]

i don’t prioritize opening packs just because i have satellite

that’s what the shop is for

cheaper ev

and mostly an afterthought

[ebon condor]

plus also that being true doesnt actually say anything about the comparison bxt ttm and satellite

[solar meteor]

early on

[compact gazelle]

so red card but dumber because you aren’t supposed to be diving headfirst into “prospective satellite scaling”

[calm furnace]

its costing 6$ also doesnt work in its favor

[humble gulch]

You open celestial packs because you have money to spare, and if you have money to spare, why use satellite

[calm furnace]

i said eearlier its basically a red card for econ (tho more specific as red card benefits from all packs)

[ebon condor]

thats kinda facetious tbf

[compact gazelle]

satellite plus 1 planet “hey I’ll pay you back in 10. sound good?”

[solar meteor]

rewards you for being rich now so you can be rich later

[compact gazelle]

satellite plus infinite different planets “hey I’ll pay you back in 4 rounds minimum”

[solar meteor]

and to offset rentals sometimes

[calm furnace]

so if you have money to spare econ jokers are useless?

[humble gulch]

I love Satellite, but I can't say it's good

[solar meteor]

you’ll have 2 planets leveled at a minimum for gs runs

[calm furnace]

its not good but its ok

[solar meteor]

it’s mid

[calm furnace]

econ is econ

[humble gulch]

Well, satellite

[ebon condor]

i cant say i havent had runs saved by satellite

also its my highest wr joker but lets not talk abt that

[solar meteor]

i can but it was so long ago

[compact gazelle]

always always always have a backup hand type

[calm furnace]

it wont save runs because there are a lot of conditions to be met for satelite to start doing its job

[solar meteor]

anything for obbylicks

[ebon condor]

did you read my message bestie

[calm furnace]

its not like MIR that just gives value on pickup

[humble gulch]

Satellite saved me with foil

[ebon condor]

"it saved my run" "it cant save runs actually"

make it make sense

[knotty zodiac]

so if it doesn't improve winrate, what makes it a good joker?

or a better than average joker?

[compact gazelle]

people who think they’re experienced and good at the game for knowing the basics of pairslop lobotomy simulator will exclusively level mercury and cry when their card sharp pairs build gets bombed by the eye for the 19th time this week

[calm furnace]

being an econ joker?

[solar meteor]

fyi i have a 100% wr with baron on my black++ profile

yeah that says fuck all

[compact gazelle]

satellites good when the run is great to begin with

[solar meteor]

quite literally a win more joker

but the win is econ

[compact gazelle]

ironically that does mean it performs exceedingly well when picked up because it acts to stabilize an already strong start with additional safety

[knotty zodiac]

econ jokers serve two functions

• they take losing runs and boost them
• they take winning runs and make them winmore

the first is priceless
the second is negligible

satellite only does the second for the most part

[solar meteor]

and not actually score that gets you to win

[compact gazelle]

and because on runs likely to lose satellite is never picked up

[ebon condor]

i have had runs that are struggling for econ ante 5+ and are able to take a +3 or 4 satellite and make it work

not saying its good by any means but there are situations'

[calm furnace]

econ is what wins runs

[solar meteor]

satellite and jj both hungry uncommons needing a money sink to do the bare minimum of cheaper alternatives

[ebon condor]

where its lifesavings

[compact gazelle]

I’ve had runs where I take a +2 satellite and make it work
yeah that’s worth absolutely nothing in terms of satellite street cred

[knotty zodiac]

this is not responsive to my point.

[solar meteor]

are we still doing the bounty 10 hours from now

[ebon condor]

so? you got an econ joker for your run i dont see the issue

[knotty zodiac]

im in

[solar meteor]

i forgot the time

[knotty zodiac]

can it run solo or do we need to recruit more?

[solar meteor]

idk who’s participating

[compact gazelle]

it’s not supposed to be “look at this satellite is Mariana Trench Tier (TM)” it’s
well satellite does pan out sometimes but that means absolutely nothing for the argument of satellite being good

[solar meteor]

there were a couple ppl that wanted to consider a couple days ago but i’ve not heard anything since

[sly marsh]

Lol free shop 2 after skipped round 1, eternal foil rental vagabond. Feels like a must take, right?

[compact gazelle]

is the thing happening

[compact gazelle]

wow the run is won

[solar meteor]

wuh

[calm furnace]

take 8ball

[compact gazelle]

8 ball too no way :>

[sly marsh]

5oak 8s goes crazy

[compact gazelle]

watch the pack have superposition

[solar meteor]

i haven’t found any :(

[knotty zodiac]

@drjoyo and @chiaki_hamano said they plan to attend

[solar meteor]

hallucinating

[compact gazelle]

aw
is that the bounty you were talking about

[calm furnace]

hallucination and superposition

[solar meteor]

swag

[ebon condor]

first of all, my argument isnt that satellite is good. second of all, how often a joker pans out is exactly how one determines the strength of a joker

[compact gazelle]

that would be too nice to be true

[calm furnace]

wait now i want a run with all the tarot jokers

[ebon condor]

but it seems like we're arguing the same point anyways

[compact gazelle]

need a slightly less good generator

[ebon condor]

i dont think we actually disagree

[solar meteor]

yeah lol

[knotty zodiac]

the initial premise was "if satellite is removed from my runs, my winrate should go up"

[ebon condor]

uh i guess thats probably true?

[knotty zodiac]

and then we can universalize it to "if satellite is removed from the game, decent players' win rate should go up"

[compact gazelle]

wow we agree
(except on the last bit where to me you ought to include the context of when the joker is even taken in runs)

[calm furnace]

lol imagine willingly increasing the chances of showman appearing

rather uninstall the game

[solar meteor]

idk what i said outside of satellite being 3rd worst econ joker

[solar meteor]

and blackboard

[ebon condor]

but thats probably true for like any joker that not above c tier

[compact gazelle]

“removing the cancer makes you more likely to die to the hiv so we should not remove the cancer”

[knotty zodiac]

the original context was selective unlocking for c++ or streak runs

[ebon condor]

ohh i see

[solar meteor]

yeah

[ebon condor]

hm

[compact gazelle]

most likely

[ebon condor]

i think thats fair

but kinda goes against the spirit of things imo

[calm furnace]

satellite is average, showman is trash

[ebon condor]

but if you wanna do it go ahead

[compact gazelle]

this yea
it was whether deliberately not unlocking sat would increase win rates

[solar meteor]

i said it was unsportsmanlike for my own credit since i can just block idol, bloodstone and whatever low ballers i don’t wanna see

[knotty zodiac]

it's too tedious and im not good enough for it to make that much of a difference

plenty of other low hanging fruit im sure

[compact gazelle]

^^ wouldnt do it but i do think its probably worth it for true hardballers

[ebon condor]

for streaking i def think thats kinda cheating

for c++ its prob fine

[solar meteor]

yeah lol

[compact gazelle]

“taking the flu shot makes me a bit more likely to die to being shot at the beach by a swimming dog with a handgun in its mouth so I won’t do that”

[knotty zodiac]

its probably less cheaty than scumming

[calm furnace]

❓

[ebon condor]

not really

scumming has only a few applications that doesnt make things substantially easier

at least afaik

[compact gazelle]

you don’t understand me 😔

[solar meteor]

idk if save scumming is fair game for streaking

[compact gazelle]

:3

[solar meteor]

wheel and emperor peeking are some advantages

[sly marsh]

Found it, this is the most dumbass run ever

[calm furnace]

i dont think so

especially when scumming can help against bosses

[solar meteor]

i try to omit those on my streak attempts

[compact gazelle]

oh my
it’s a comedy troupe of tarot gens

[ebon condor]

still less useful than literally removing some of the worst jokers from the game

but scumming is its own convo i think

[knotty zodiac]

agree, scumming has a smaller impact

but scumming is actively choosing to do something exploit-y

whereas not unlocking something is just avoiding doing something in the game

[ebon condor]

what about misprint tech? with the collection page

[compact gazelle]

it’s like permanently having some jokers blocked against

:3

[sly marsh]

Talking about checking the next card using misprint?

[solar meteor]

i’m gonna be real, i haven’t used it once on any high stakes runs

takes too long

[ebon condor]

me neither

[sly marsh]

More trouble than it's worth

[frank grove]

Yeah its a really slow way of just having slightly more info than usual

[sly marsh]

Def legit though, if the game didn't want you to be able to it wouldn't be predictive