🕹・game-discussion

[spark kernel]

FINALLY BEAT PURPLE STAKE ZODIAC DECK

[vocal rose]

time for orange and gold next

[flat tiger]

CRASH OUT $16

I too got saved by obelisk a few times, I wish i can make use of it in more runs

[zinc sigil]

the fuck is this bro😭

[flat tiger]

an obelisk of LIGHT

[zinc sigil]

U couldve just left it at words no need to visualize

[flat tiger]

the coolest thing 30 years ago

[zinc sigil]

Whats the omelette world record

I just scored 7 million

I might be the goat

[woven spire]

i’m sorry for your loss 😞

never coming back as a normal human being

[median grove]

can rtb be a straight joker?

[flat tiger]

on abandanded deck sure

[median grove]

on normalZ?

[humble gulch]

This is so fucking corny 😭

[solid island]

whats rtb

[frank grove]

tougher to do without more deck fixing but it can still be okay

usually with rtb and straights it just to scale a runner

[humble gulch]

I would hate playing straights with bus

[frank grove]

i wouldnt do rtb and straights by default unless i have a good reason to go for straights and if i do rtb probably isnt that big of a boost anyway

[unreal topaz]

the best jokers for straight builds are the ones that allow you to make straights easier

[flat tiger]

you need throw away hands to get rid of the face card to get your straight, but then using a pair of 8 or 9 for example hurnts your ability to get a straight

[frank grove]

like if i got the order i would rather keep the opportunity for photo later down the line than remove my faces for straight draws

[unreal topaz]

stuff like juggler, shortcut, drunkard, etc

bc the planet cards are so powerful

so the way you lose is usually not for lack of points per straight

but by not drawing it

[frank grove]

yeah

being able to draw straights is usually the way people lose going for them

but yeah if i had an incentive to go for straights like shortcut idk if i would keep bus

[unreal topaz]

also ride the bus will give you points no matter what hand you play

so like

do whatever ig (spammable hands are better but like whatever)

[flat tiger]

getting the order in the first pack was the biggest bait I took for a while

[frank grove]

i still take early orders its pretty good for the first two antes still which is where money is tight so

[eager prawn]

Green joker is just op for gold stake?

[hoary moon]

wtf

the stupid tag gng

[unreal topaz]

you solved it

cracked the case

[hoary moon]

you had more jokers thi

[spark kernel]

FUCK THIS SHITTY DECK

[humble gulch]

Skill issue

[frank grove]

shitty deck: zodiac 😭

[hoary moon]

skill issue

[spark kernel]

SHUT THE FUCK UP

[eager prawn]

Two pairs players

[spark kernel]

FUCK YOU TO

[unreal topaz]

this is an actual overpowered joker

[eager prawn]

Play HC and just win

[minor portal]

the ever benevolent dna contributing to scoring.

[spark kernel]

FUCK YOU ASWELL

[humble gulch]

DNA 😭

[spark kernel]

Highslop

[hoary moon]

yessir

fuck pairslop

[humble gulch]

That's

[spark kernel]

I could not find a xmult for the life of me

[frank grove]

you shouldnt need x mult in ante 4

[flat tiger]

i hate those games, I have chip and +mult setup in ante 2-3, i only need xmult, I die in ante 8 without any X mult

[spark kernel]

I had a vagabond thats why i kept my money low

[frank grove]

you had vagabond and lost?

[humble gulch]

How are you losing then

[spark kernel]

It was peroshable

[humble gulch]

Bruh

Not worth then

Why would you do that...

[spark kernel]

It wa sfree

[frank grove]

you skipped?

[spark kernel]

Yes

[frank grove]

for a rare?

[spark kernel]

Ive been lucky with skips

[spark kernel]

Hologram

[humble gulch]

No wonder you lost

[frank grove]

woof

[humble gulch]

💔 💔 💔

[frank grove]

yeah holo skips are not worth it

[spark kernel]

Skips are overhated there i said it

[frank grove]

you just lost

[hoary moon]

theyre fun

[flat tiger]

i still take foil or holo skip in ante 1 small blind, not poly tough

[humble gulch]

"Skips are overhated" (took holo skip on orange stake)

[frank grove]

im not taking any joker skips ever

[eager prawn]

Skip max btw

[frank grove]

they are functionally useless on orange+

[hoary moon]

skipping is fun

[hoary moon]

seeded

[humble gulch]

Winning is fun

[frank grove]

this is literally seeded lmao

[spark kernel]

Holy dogshit

[hoary moon]

8ball for more tarot

[frank grove]

8ball

[hoary moon]

i dont understand 8ball hate

[flat tiger]

i hate 8 ball, not only do I need to draw 8s and play it, i also need to roll the 1 in 4?

[spark kernel]

8ball never hits tho

[hoary moon]

i never will

[hoary moon]

neither does halluci

[flat tiger]

at least i can spam with spaceman

[humble gulch]

I'd take poly only if there's two of it

[frank grove]

yeah for sure lmao

i only had oops for the final one round with 8 ball here btw

[hoary moon]

8ball is W

[spark kernel]

That dosent count you had oops

Im talking about base 8 ball

[frank grove]

i had one perishable 8 ball this run

and only 1 round with oops with it lmao

[spark kernel]

Wheel of fortune hits more than 8 ball

[flat tiger]

good luck getting one tarot with a perishable 8 ball in anyte 1

[hoary moon]

wheel of Fortune never hits

and if it hits it hits your food jokers or perishable

[flat tiger]

they are both 1 in 4 but you need to draw 8 and is able to play it, wheel is just you choose to roll the 1 in 4 on demand

[spark kernel]

Lies ive had it hit multiple times while 8 balls only hit 10 times for me

[frank grove]

you can play multiple 8s

[hoary moon]

wheel 1/4 is lower chance than 8ball 1/4

[flat tiger]

yeah or i can get lucky and get vagabond instead of 8 ball

instead of draw 4 8s then get 1 tarot

[knotty zodiac]

vagabond is a rare...

[frank grove]

lmao

[shell dagger]

8ball chad

[frank grove]

comparing rare joker to common joker lmao

[flat tiger]

8 ball suck balls without all 6 or fixing for 8s

[frank grove]

yeah you just fix for 8s

its really not that big of a deal in gs to play 8s

[humble gulch]

Free win or instant death

[flat tiger]

good luck even drawing 8s in ante 1 let alone actualyl benifiting with 8 ball

[frank grove]

you're mostly not worried about on scoring effects like photo anyway so why does it matter that 8 ball is slightly worse by default than a rare joker 😭 just play more 8s

[shell dagger]

8 ball enables fixing for 8s…

[humble gulch]

I did it again

Uh

[flat tiger]

good draw, you can sell it when you need to

[eager prawn]

Hard choice

[flat tiger]

oh no, anyways

[hoary moon]

are you are you coming to the tree

[frank grove]

comitting to boots that early is sketchyyy

[knotty zodiac]

it's ante 2 round 1, they prob go big or hold r

[frank grove]

oh yeah they double skipped

[cedar sable]

egg

idk

[knotty zodiac]

tho if playing to highroll, egg prob better

just hit a few temps

boom $100

[shell dagger]

boots is fine here given obelisk

[frank grove]

yeah but also they just lose in a couple rounds anyway

[eager prawn]

Never doubt on egg

[humble gulch]

Hehe

[eager prawn]

Easy money

[knotty zodiac]

ya egg is super fun when it hits

[frank grove]

your greed sickens me

[hoary moon]

weve got bigger dudes to kiss

[frank grove]

for fun i took double tag charm for lols ... well ok then

[knotty zodiac]

introducing the chadchad

[hoary moon]

time to 8ball max

[frank grove]

🔥

what

[knotty zodiac]

chadchadchad

now just need one gold seal. better than a hermit

[hoary moon]

not an 8ball

[echo sphinx]

hoy fuck

[echo sphinx]

the three chadders

[patent sail]

stop being so negative

[humble gulch]

Not enough.

[hoary moon]

sell half joker

[hoary moon]

HELL YEAH THROWBACK

[frank grove]

found one ... hmm

i think i have to pass it ... 💔

[echo sphinx]

u have to wdym

tarot is mult

[frank grove]

i already have 4 purple seals

[echo sphinx]

aww

[humble gulch]

Honestly, how did I win

I should've died on ante 5

[patent sail]

game should win itself if you obtain 5 8 balls

[knotty zodiac]

is 8ball your fave @echo sphinx

[echo sphinx]

is good ye

tarotmaxxing

i like tarot

[knotty zodiac]

ok ill put the haterade down

[patent sail]

idek what my fav jonkler is

probably square? idk

[echo sphinx]

pairslop :thonk:

[patent sail]

funny thing is i used to HATE this guy before i started going for high stakes

[patent sail]

well yeah that

and he also looks funny

[humble gulch]

I love erosion

[hoary moon]

yeah bitch

8balls

[patent sail]

i like how he looks

[humble gulch]

I always take erosion

[knotty zodiac]

fave jonkler vaga. occasionally gets me killed cuz i keep for too long

[hoary moon]

overrated as shit and boring

[patent sail]

to each their own twin

[digital pewter]

for balatrodle, in the ability section, what counts as close?

[hoary moon]

oh its on looks mb

[patent sail]

hes funny okay

[echo sphinx]

not sure
i think u either get it or not

[knotty zodiac]

i know xmult is close to mult. idk what else

[humble gulch]

Xmult ≈ +mult

[patent sail]

also my top 1 on the stats 🐎🔥

[digital pewter]

like +mult and xmult is obviously close but like. is +mult close to chips? is xmult close to chips too?

oh and +mult/chips is obviously close to +mult and chips of course

[patent sail]

is +mult or +chips close to +mult AND +chips (exactly 2 jokers)?

[digital pewter]

funny how there's like two jokers total with that ability

[hoary moon]

my favs are ancient joker, ricky, hologram, blue joker and midas mask

[digital pewter]

same wavelength

[digital pewter]

i mean presumably yeah

[patent sail]

man i love how +mult being close and RNG being YES literally gave yesterdays joker away in 1 try

[digital pewter]

also balatrodle today got me bad lmao

[digital pewter]

7 guesses

[patent sail]

today i got it in 4 i think

[humble gulch]

It calls you

[patent sail]

2 flavors of winning and banner

[digital pewter]

i had like three near misses

[echo sphinx]

shits crazy

[errant brook]

Took a risky Rare skip with 3 double tags, hoping one of the Rares would be Baron

[digital pewter]

all cause of the joker cost

[echo sphinx]

perishable

[errant brook]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[knotty zodiac]

everything lines up

[digital pewter]

this is why you don't take skips lol

[humble gulch]

Why would you even do that...

[flat tiger]

time to ditch runner for obelisk

[digital pewter]

on their own they're bad

[errant brook]

I'm in ante 13 and basically need Baron to not die

[digital pewter]

on high stakes they're awful

[patent sail]

i lowk dont even look at the cost until i get everything else down (or its obviously hinting at a legendary)

[errant brook]

I barely beat the last hand

[humble gulch]

The new run button:

[ashen mural]

still, cant use it, 7/7 jokers already

[digital pewter]

how much money are you getting per blind completion anyways

[errant brook]

Not enough as I need my jokers to copy PhotoChad

So I'm getting SOME money but not enough because I don't have Baron

[digital pewter]

i already had everything else down

[errant brook]

now I have to debate if I take the damn perishable just to farm money...it probably is the play

[knotty zodiac]

why would you not take the perishable?

[digital pewter]

but yeah, two guesses where the only thing left was the cost, then i hit an all green and had to guess again for the real joker cause everything else lined up

[patent sail]

yeah i had that too

[digital pewter]

hint was easy though

[knotty zodiac]

balatrodle should reward you with a seed where you can get the featured joker in ante 1

[patent sail]

ante 1 bloodstone yesterday 🔥🔥

exactly what everyone wants

[digital pewter]

did you have oops

[patent sail]

no i meant like

[flat tiger]

ploy blueprint first pack is best I have gotton

[patent sail]

yesterdays joker was bloodstone

[digital pewter]

oh was yesterday's bloodstone??

damn

i thought it was still ancient joker

[patent sail]

i wouldnt wanna ante 1 bloodstone 💔💔💔

[knotty zodiac]

it's optional.. just sometimes ill fire up balatrodle and think "i want to play a game with this one"

[patent sail]

taking that buffoon pack and going next

[errant brook]

Good news and bad news

[digital pewter]

a run with zany joker... intriguing...

[errant brook]

The good news is very apparent

This is the bad news -_-

[knotty zodiac]

seance my goated

[digital pewter]

and no reroll vouchers?

[errant brook]

NOPE

[patent sail]

lucha clutch trust

[digital pewter]

better pray for that luchador

[patent sail]

keep believing

[errant brook]

I'm spending all my money in hopes I find lucha

[hoary moon]

173 dollars to find luchador

[errant brook]

ALSO

[digital pewter]

with the steel chair

[errant brook]

no Overstock

[patent sail]

like 5 rolls 😭

[errant brook]

$309 now

[digital pewter]

damn

[errant brook]

I had one more blind

But I basically have to hope that one of the next like 40 cards is Lucha lol

[knotty zodiac]

i wonder if voucher skip was the play

[errant brook]

RIP

[digital pewter]

oof

[errant brook]

There were no voucher skips

Taking that rare skip actually helped me get money

I could have sworn I had seen The Plant already

[digital pewter]

i mean, i guess those double tags for the rare joker tag weren't a waste lol

[knotty zodiac]

nvm im bad at remembering tags

[fringe nebula]

ditching runner is not the play there

[echo sphinx]

why would runner be ditched

[knotty zodiac]

uh

[errant brook]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh

did I go back from Ante 14 or 13...

[fringe nebula]

"hahaa xmult go brr" way of thinking

[flat tiger]

stay loyal to the DUO

[echo sphinx]

bruh

[digital pewter]

xmult xmult xmult!

[errant brook]

This was not my ante 14 lol I must have dialed back and then had a...fake shop? Is that how that works?

[echo sphinx]

xmult players when their huge mult is multiplied by 5

[errant brook]

I am so confused because those were 100% not the tags for ante 14

[digital pewter]

the luchador too lol

[errant brook]

That's what I mean

Boss Tag AND Luchador

But the 2nd tag was double tag

[fringe nebula]

I feel like this is more than good enough but

let's go 2 pair build

[echo sphinx]

chpsmaxxing :thonk:

[errant brook]

Buffoon Card in the Credit Pack

[knotty zodiac]

two pair my goto

[flat tiger]

i keep drawing 3oak when I try to draw 2 pair, then I got 4oak when theres only 4 of them

[fringe nebula]

ok time to save money until max interest

[echo sphinx]

holy z*ny

[patent sail]

blueprint card in the arcana pack

[echo sphinx]

huh i cant see

its joly

[fringe nebula]

not a bad triple judgement

[patent sail]

dont call my boy jolly that

[frank grove]

stupid start that shouldnt have rewarded me did reward me gg i guess 😭

[echo sphinx]

holo scary

oh we chipsmaxxing

[knotty zodiac]

just memorized the names for the 10 identical looking chipmult jokers so i finally know what yall are talking about lols

[echo sphinx]

lol gg

[patent sail]

lets gooo triple judgement is my favorite thing to do on that deck

[echo sphinx]

XD

other than joly, z*ny and wily idk how to distinguish them lol

[patent sail]

sly?

[eager prawn]

I'm obsessed with bull on plasma deck

[echo sphinx]

uhh

[patent sail]

pair and flush ones are easier to remember

[echo sphinx]

i think thats pair chips

[fringe nebula]

do i take space joker here

[eager prawn]

No

[knotty zodiac]

oooh zany and wily are your heroes bc you're the strength king?

[frank grove]

wily is 3oak chips right?

[echo sphinx]

no theyre l ol

[patent sail]

then 3oak solely because they are funny

and then 2pair and straight ones

[echo sphinx]

ye

[patent sail]

2pair and straight are hardest ones tbh

because most of the time they are kinda just

there

not zany and wily levels of funny

zany and wily even got the funniest sounding names

[fringe nebula]

yea probably not
each blind usually takes 1-2 hands with 2pair

[flat tiger]

when they are negative i cant even tell the difference on so many of them

[eager prawn]

Jolly

[knotty zodiac]

space joker is so painful with 2p lols

just had a run yesterday. it did not end well

[patent sail]

also i noticed how +mult page 1 jonklers got jimbo shaped collar thingy, and +chip ones look like Chaos

[knotty zodiac]

it hit pluto more than uranus

[flat tiger]

everyone knows spaceman only level up your throw away hand not your main hand

[fringe nebula]

facing the club at ante 2 is huge here
I can use seeing double without worry

[patent sail]

thats probabky the main distinction when negative

[frank grove]

the chips ones look more like steven to me

[patent sail]

well look at the uhhh

collar thing

[frank grove]

i mean the head piece

[patent sail]

oh the hat

i was talking about the clothes/collar

[frank grove]

yeah

[patent sail]

also chip ones got blue lips

mult ones got red

[flat tiger]

thats why i cant see shit when it is negative lol

[patent sail]

just look at the clothes shape

[frank grove]

or their hats

[lime remnant]

deck building starter pack ahh

[knotty zodiac]

ya i count hat points

[eager prawn]

I'm dead

[flat tiger]

happens, but winnable

[patent sail]

rental boot/bull is so funny

bro debuffs himself

[frank grove]

what was the double skip?

[patent sail]

choose your flavor of deckfixing ass shop

(all of them)

[fringe nebula]

ok can someone remind me whether or not matador will trigger on the tooth

[flat tiger]

rental golden joker too, I mean its still $1 but its just... come on game

[patent sail]

sounds like it would

[knotty zodiac]

it doesnt, you told us xD

[patent sail]

rental egg 🔥

[patent sail]

kinda stupid

[flat tiger]

i get temparance valeu

[frank grove]

it doesnt work on the tooth

[fringe nebula]

oh nvm

I said it myself

[patent sail]

yeah but like its actually like a piggybank now

takes away 3 bucks and gains 3 itself

[flat tiger]

when you are stacking green joker and the hook says no mult this round

[frank grove]

i cant wait for the matador rework so you dont have to memorise or find out what bosses it works on 😭

[knotty zodiac]

bizarre that it doesnt work on the tooth

[patent sail]

ikr

anything literally truggers the boss

[frank grove]

its one of the more weirder ones matador doesnt work on

[eager prawn]

High priestess just gives me sh*t

[patent sail]

i gues its so you dont lose 5 gain 8

[patent sail]

tooth is meant to make you broke and if it doesnt its no longer funny

also whats really funny to me is OX triggers matador

[frank grove]

yeah

0 to 8

[patent sail]

yes i would love to lose all my money for 8 bucks

[knotty zodiac]

think of it as seed money for ante 8

[flat tiger]

how about losing all your money for a rare joker

[frank grove]

taking credit card before the ox and getting 8 dollars out of the ox with matador 🔥

[knotty zodiac]

$28 value if you spend all the way down

[frank grove]

🔥

[patent sail]

depends on the jonkler

[knotty zodiac]

baron tribe baron tribe, in that order

[patent sail]

i had a seed where both first WRAITHS drop invisible joker

[frank grove]

its still so crazy to me that multiple credit cards stack

the 3 credit card +60 dollar ox run when?

[knotty zodiac]

just like real life

max em out next

[flat tiger]

better have a wrath ready

i hope we have warth IRL too so I can go in debt then just reset

[solemn tide]

can you buy a legendary spec card in shop

[patent sail]

which lead to this bullshit

[frank grove]

no they only show up in tarot and spectral packs

[echo sphinx]

wot

[solemn tide]

damn lmao.

[patent sail]

ante 1 yorick and ALSO ante 3 chicot which i later found

[eager prawn]

Epic draw

[patent sail]

cola and vaga it is 🔥🐎

[lime remnant]

3 copying joker before baron...folk

[knotty zodiac]

whats happening in hoshland

[lime remnant]

hmmm....do i skip

for the rare tag

or no

[echo sphinx]

1 winstreak plasma

[shell dagger]

hrmm

[knotty zodiac]

hot streak begins lets go

[patent sail]

reroll boss into plant and die

[lime remnant]

haha good idea

might as well js die because i havent found baron before ante 13

[patent sail]

runs past ante 8 dont exist

[lime remnant]

yes

[knotty zodiac]

i crashed 10+ runs on pure tilt last night

[patent sail]

endless button is a psyop by Big Jimbo to sell you more barons, showmen and idols

[knotty zodiac]

more since i forgot to take a ss of a few lols

[flat tiger]

i mean it happens

[patent sail]

its okayyyy

[knotty zodiac]

pretty unusual, my winrate is above 50% now i think

[patent sail]

my winrate is one in whenever

[flat tiger]

i stop caring about win rate and even just reset if first shop is total shit

[patent sail]

i reset if first ante is shit

first shop being bad doesnt mean its totally over

[flat tiger]

well yeah, mroe like first ante instead of exactly first shop

[patent sail]

if entire first ante is bad im not even gonna bother

[flat tiger]

unless I tilt, then I reset if I cant one shot first blind too

if not i may check first ante

then its exactly "why bother"

[fringe nebula]

I messed up and forgot to use the moon

[flat tiger]

my ideal setup

[fringe nebula]

so seeing double didn't proc

[knotty zodiac]

where did obby go? or was that a diff run

[patent sail]

vamp ate it

[fringe nebula]

different run

[patent sail]

he was hungry

[fringe nebula]

4 hands but 1 of them was without seeing double proc because I'm stupid

I even had the moon in consumable slot lol

[flat tiger]

if you wild and get suck by vampire, it only count the original suit right? because it get suck before triggering for seeing double

[knotty zodiac]

maybe you're tired

[fringe nebula]

original

[fringe nebula]

maybe

[flat tiger]

being stupid an still win is better then being stupid and barely throwing a run

[patent sail]

playing a single black card with smeared + seeing double #tech

or is it a single wild card i forgot

oh yea its a single wild card

[knotty zodiac]

which feels better

playing well and losing
or
playing poorly and W

[patent sail]

2nd ofc

[fringe nebula]

playing poorly and winning

[flat tiger]

winning, because I am still going towards C+

[patent sail]

ive had such scuffed runs before which were "officially dead" like 3 times during it, and yet still somehow won

they are satisfying when you do somehow pull through

[flat tiger]

what I hate the most are those runs that I have all the set up in ante 2-3 and only need Xmult alike, it drags on to ante 8 and I wasted 30 min because theres actualyl no Xmult

[lime remnant]

should have taken the rare skip smh smh

[patent sail]

tbf ive had a black stake no xmult win

idk how i survived

[flat tiger]

or those runs that you know its a slow death but the game let you stay alive by giving you random straight flush/4oak draws to stay alive, then you again wasted your time getting to ante 7-8 and die jsut liek you know you would back in ante 3

[eager prawn]

Which joker should I sell?

[patent sail]

icecream prob idk

or stunt

[lime remnant]

you have seed money

?

[patent sail]

hes perishable anyway

[eager prawn]

Nope

[flat tiger]

stuntman is perisahable and you have square?

[knotty zodiac]

stuntman if you cna survive without it

[lime remnant]

maybe stunt

[flat tiger]

also do you even want legendary when you are all in chipping

[eager prawn]

Maybe this will help

[patent sail]

full skip run

[knotty zodiac]

interesting, sold ttm

[eager prawn]

K

[knotty zodiac]

fullskip is death pretty sure

[patent sail]

this guy always has the funniest runs

[flat tiger]

why would you keep icecream, it is also "perishable" and you are only ante 5

[knotty zodiac]

$7 per round was small change ig

[deft sandal]

the econ run

[lime remnant]

big mult is still big number

[flat tiger]

you need multiple xmult, which is too rare

[deft sandal]

I'm getting all the econ jokers lmfao

[flat tiger]

do you even survive ante 2

[patent sail]

i wonder how hard is it to win fullskip gold stake

[lime remnant]

somewhat the same thing with chips because its also rare

[flat tiger]

average amount of chips get you to ante 6+ with plasma, you need A LOT OF xmult to get it going, which he only had 1.5X with icecream

[deft sandal]

uhh

[cedar sable]

gg

[spark kernel]

This deck is giving me the worst luck any deck has given me so far thats how ass it is 💔🥀

[deft sandal]

i misclicked and bought baron

[lime remnant]

baron folk 💀

[knotty zodiac]

it might work if they had high saturn levels and lots of tarot gen

[lime remnant]

eating all those rentals

[knotty zodiac]

or they find trading card

[fringe nebula]

ante 1 flush > ante 1 straight

[lime remnant]

need a lot of planet card or retriggers 🤷

[cedar sable]

this tbh

[knotty zodiac]

drawing to 4 outs is scary af

[spark kernel]

I keep dying to it in the 1st 4 antes no other deck hasdone that

[knotty zodiac]

this would happen on any deck with this seed besides plasma

[vocal rose]

but you also have to realize that you're trying to draw the rarest straight

[knotty zodiac]

actually even with plasma

[cedar sable]

also straight doesn't worth as much as flush iirc

i think

[vocal rose]

flushes cap at 340

[shell dagger]

the ace high still one shots

[vocal rose]

but any queen high+ one shots

[knotty zodiac]

a/k/q high straights oneshot, everything else needs help

[spark kernel]

Thats not the main point my main point is I keep not getting jokers because of the stupid planets and tarots blocking it

[cedar sable]

i see thanks

[shell dagger]

you literally get more jokers on zodiac tho

because of overstock

[knotty zodiac]

also untrue. you statistically see more jokers in zodiac than other decks bc overstock

[shell dagger]

1.43 per shop screen vs 1.53 with zodiac

[spark kernel]

Then why do i get ass hands more than usual on zodiac

[vocal rose]

what is this based off of

[shell dagger]

the wiki

[vocal rose]

ok

[knotty zodiac]

small sample size or it's in your head

[cedar sable]

[vocal rose]

what does the wiki base it off of

[shell dagger]

me

i was the one who corrected the wiki page before

before it said like 1.7 for zodiac

[knotty zodiac]

the wiki hero we need

[deft sandal]

what helps me here tbh

[vocal rose]

zodiac is overrated imo

[vocal rose]

understandable for it to feel that way

[knotty zodiac]

i like yorick here

[shell dagger]

soul is still the best imo

[vocal rose]

when you cant get it off the ground its hard to see the huge benefit of zodiac

[shell dagger]

even if none help ur at interest now

[deft sandal]

well, duh. Im asking what joker from the soul 💀

[flat tiger]

new run button

[deft sandal]

fuck, its perkeo

[shell dagger]

and im saying they’re all useful

[vocal rose]

since the minimal average difference on seeing jokers doesn't help you really all too much in the beginning

[flat tiger]

like i said should have clicked new run instead

[lime remnant]

its gotta be trib

but yorick is very good too

[knotty zodiac]

a single saturn is often enough to right the ship on a run that feels like it's going the wrong way

or an early heiro/empress

[deft sandal]

at least Im printing money now

[silk python]

orange stake is so hard guys. (i know its a skill issue)

[fringe nebula]

orange stake is indeed hard

[knotty zodiac]

yep the pivots are real. just keep pivoting

[lime remnant]

gold stake 🤤

[deft sandal]

you should play gold stake instead

[deft sandal]

gold stake is easier

[fringe nebula]

qltho

I don't think orange stake is that much different from pueple

purple

[flat tiger]

why is orange hard when you already pass blue and purple

[silk python]

"That's the neat part, You don't"

[spark kernel]

Very funny game

[vocal rose]

Indeed

zodiac shines ALOT more past early game

[fringe nebula]

ok that is not the game's fault

[vocal rose]

imo

[spark kernel]

I was trying to draw a trio and it didnt give me a single 5 past those 2 5s

[knotty zodiac]

ante4 round8
grimbo is prob below 10 bc you're trying to draw 3oak

[fringe nebula]

$2 at ante 4 too

[spark kernel]

Grimbo is avove 10

[vocal rose]

idk I only think its overrated since the early game help isn't as apparent compared to other similar rated decks

[frank grove]

i mean your joker order is wrong anyway trio should be after the brainstorms

[spark kernel]

I put the trio as the left most joker when i get a trio

[frank grove]

no

put trio as your right most joker

[spark kernel]

Fym no

[frank grove]

if you plan on copying grimbo

[spark kernel]

I plan on copying the trio but i copy grimbo when i dont get a 3oak

[knotty zodiac]

that makes it underrated..?

[frank grove]

ok that makes sense

[shell dagger]

what level is 3oak

[frank grove]

wait actually how did you not find a single 3oak actually

[deft sandal]

vagabussy 😋

[spark kernel]

2

[frank grove]

did you draw the 5s right at the start?

[spark kernel]

No

[shell dagger]

then grimbo is always a better copy if it is above 10

trio 5 -> 15 = +10

[deft sandal]

thank god I opened the buffoon pack instead of buying immolate

[fringe nebula]

both choices are valid so

[spark kernel]

I went through 2 discards and 3 hands and still fifnt get any

Why is zodiac being ahater 😭🙏

[knotty zodiac]

how many 5s are in your deck

[spark kernel]

4 but ive consistently hit 3oak with others didnt get 3oak with them aswell on this round

[frank grove]

😭

[spark kernel]

Was my luck just awful that round

[knotty zodiac]

you're trying to draw 1 of two cards... you're going to bottom deck sometimes. 3 hands + 2 discards is 25 cards. that's half the deck.

[fringe nebula]

........................
well, that is balatro fundemantal issue

[shell dagger]

your luck was normal tbh

3oak isn’t a consistent hand until you deckfix

that’s just how it is

[spark kernel]

Anything after orange stake is hell

[vocal rose]

Wording ig since when I mean isnt as apparent its lacking but zodiac is typically rated here as a top 4-5 deck

I think its very close to top 5

[fringe nebula]

well, learning balatro's fundamental is the hardest part of getting good anyway

[knotty zodiac]

are you saying zodiac is overrated for someone who doesn't know the nuances?

or for experienced folks

[frank grove]

idk how i would rank the decks

[shell dagger]

nebula green red blue plasma top 5

[vocal rose]

I'm saying zodiacs overrated just from the general ranking OF all the decks that happens here

[frank grove]

why?

[vocal rose]

consistently placed in top 5

[frank grove]

i think zodiac is a top 5 deck probably

[vocal rose]

because I don't think zodiac is top 5

[frank grove]

the shops are much better on average

[fringe nebula]

what would be top 5 for you?

[frank grove]

what is your top 5

[fringe nebula]

blue yellow abandoned checkered and what

[vocal rose]

in order L/R blue/yellow/checkered/abandoned/ghost

[flat tiger]

am i crazy to think erratic is higher because it make 3oak/2pair easier

[cedar sable]

artist trust

i forgot

but the one

[frank grove]

yeah thats crazy

[cedar sable]

that gives +2 hand size

and -1 joker slot

[vale shale]

Alright alright. 1 take gold stake run any deck. What deck we thinking bout.

[vocal rose]

yeah

[cedar sable]

i forgot the name

[frank grove]

zodiac

[fringe nebula]

anagl

oh cmon

I'm too slow

[vale shale]

Bloatdiac

[flat tiger]

painted and plasma literally took me the longest to ebat but most people think they are easy

[knotty zodiac]

i think the rankings usually take the perspective of someone who plays well in general and then rank the decks' relative power/consistency for that someone

[frank grove]

i like zodiac cause the shops are better on average seeing more stuff is good

[vocal rose]

yeah and I've observed said perspectives for awhile in regards to deck power

[fringe nebula]

which one is more consistent between zodiac and ghost?

[vocal rose]

I'd have it as top 6

[vocal rose]

uhhhh getting half way to c++ on both awhile back ghost was more consistent for me

[knotty zodiac]

but then i'm confused. bc you are arguing that zodiac is overrated bc "the early game help isn't as apparent". it becomes apparent as a player gains skill and improves in ranking, no?

[frank grove]

ghost probably cause being able to one shot big blind with basically whatever you find is pretty nice, but ive also won like 250 zodiac runs or something so idk actually

[fringe nebula]

huh i thought zodiac's power comes in the mid/lategame

because you don't have that much money to make use of zodiac deck in ante 1-2

[knotty zodiac]

i didnt form an opinion here, the quote is from them above

[frank grove]

zodiacs power is with rolls cause you just see more stuff, but early game it can be okay early planets and tarots can be good depending on what they are

[vocal rose]

uhhhhhhhhh my head was "isnt as apparent" = not that noticeable in comparsion to other decks

[frank grove]

like devil early is almost always a pickup if i one shot first round

[flat tiger]

i mean just having more things in the shop means you are more likely to find something useful

so its a big boost the entire run

[fringe nebula]

so is randomly finding trance

and immolate

and cryptid

[frank grove]

yeah but the chance is fairly low

its like 6% or something for a spectral in shop on ghost right?

[flat tiger]

meanwhile most of the spectral are suituatinally good some hurts you if you use it

[knotty zodiac]

hm so would you say that zodiac helps less early game than other top decks, and therefore it deserves to be lower?

[vocal rose]

yes

[fringe nebula]

yeah, zodiac deck doesn't always help your earlygame

[vocal rose]

well thinking about it ghost can be interchangeable with it

[knotty zodiac]

got it. now i get it.

[knotty zodiac]

i do feel like i lowroll way less often on zodiac bc of overstock. there's usually something that i can use

[fringe nebula]

true actually

[frank grove]

yeah i think they're fairly interchangeable

[knotty zodiac]

(early)

[fringe nebula]

I should play zodiac more

[frank grove]

yeah even if its like 3 planets the chance that one of them does something is pretty high

[vocal rose]

I think you're MEANT to lowroll way less often

[flat tiger]

exactly my point above

[vocal rose]

but with the decks I have above it

lowrolling an ante 1-2 shop isn't life or death

[frank grove]

low rolling is less a problem yeah

[vocal rose]

zodiac feels way more risky IF it does happen

[flat tiger]

it helps especially early game because you cant exactly paid $5 to reoll

[knotty zodiac]

so theoretically as skill goes up, zodiac should get more consistent than other decks

[digital pewter]

the number of completely unused and random emojis in this server is funny

[vocal rose]

theoretically if your skill goes up you would never lose

[spark kernel]

WHY DID THE GAME NOT GIVE ME TWO PAIR

[vocal rose]

in terms of win streaking consistency I've found it just barely scratching top 5

[spark kernel]

WHY MUST THIS DECK TORMENT ME

[digital pewter]

[flat tiger]

happens, but some may say you always get 2 pair, yet people spam pair all day

[knotty zodiac]

and you think it's mostly bc zodiac lowrolling is awful compared to other deck lowrolling?

[frank grove]

i think the stuff you get from better money mangement and general "how greedy can i be" makes a bigger difference on zodiac than other decks

[digital pewter]

like who are you guys what are you doing here

this should be used more though

[knotty zodiac]

didnt know this existed

[gloomy swallow]

did it give you kings / queens you had to discardç

[digital pewter]

[flat tiger]

[spark kernel]

It didnt give me any two pairs and it forced face cards on me

[vocal rose]

yes as to take advantage of the selling point for zodiac you need interest cap/econ joker to support that

[gloomy swallow]

SEE THIS IS WHY

[digital pewter]

[vocal rose]

which obviously is lacking early game

[gloomy swallow]

this is why rtb so ANNOYING

[vocal rose]

the hardest part of the game imo

[spark kernel]

I FUCKING HATE ZODIAC DECK WITH A PASSION

[vocal rose]

this is true

[gloomy swallow]

ok i wasnt going that way

dawg

[flat tiger]

playing anything otehr then pair/HC with bus is too risky

[knotty zodiac]

hm i dont know which decks are your top 5 but outside blue/yellow which have obv econ advantages, dont the other good decks also have same econ constraint? the diff being that zodiac gives you one more choice

[vocal rose]

its a weird thing to argue that "zodiac is barely out of the top 5"

[gloomy swallow]

exactly its so fuckin restrictiv

e

[hoary moon]

mfer lost one time

[frank grove]

which i think is a bigger deal past ante 2/3 compared to the upsides other top decks have which are mainly constrained to early game safety

[gloomy swallow]

cause there arent many decks to begin with

imma start going yellow deck though, i just realized the amount of money it gives

[flat tiger]

i hate green and rtb both, if it show up ante 1 it means its pair slop again

[gloomy swallow]

with green joker it doesnt have the be pairslop

[vocal rose]

They do indeed have the same econ constraints but the early game survival is what makes me want to rate them higher

[gloomy swallow]

that is just how you get the engine started

[vocal rose]

now obviously it isnt STRICTLY early game survival

[fringe nebula]

with rtb it also doesn't have to be pairslop too?

[vocal rose]

otherwise I'd put painted above zodiac and that would be silly

[flat tiger]

same thing, you dont want to discard so big hand types are no go

[gloomy swallow]

if you discard it would immediately delete all of your progress

[spark kernel]

IVE HAD 100s OF ATTEMPTS ON THIS F TIER DECK AND IM STILL LOSING OTHER DECKS DID NOT DO THIS

[gloomy swallow]

unlike someone else i could mention

[vocal rose]

blue is obvious/yellow has innate econ/checkered has the deck fixed/abandoned has the deck fixed/ghost starts you with a hex to sell/use

[gloomy swallow]

if RTB simply got rid of like, say 5 mult each time you played a face card THEN I WOULD 100% BE FINE WITH THAT

[fringe nebula]

what does balatro having only 15 decks have to do with zodiac not being in top 5 strongest deck?
i don't see the point there

[gloomy swallow]

3 vouchers is insanely strong

and having overstock early on is a huge plus

[knotty zodiac]

hm maybe im playing abandoned wrong but i would swap abandoned and zodiac

[fringe nebula]

not answering my question smh

[gloomy swallow]

and if it isnt top 5 then what else is

[vocal rose]

nah I can't agree with that

[knotty zodiac]

abandoned has a lot of trouble in ante 2 if you find nothing

[frank grove]

ehhh

[vocal rose]

abandoned is a decent bit better than zodiac

nearly top 3

[gloomy swallow]

wait blue deck is top 5?

[flat tiger]

what deck doesnt have a lot of trouble in ante 2 if you find nothing?

[vocal rose]

blue deck is top 1

[fringe nebula]

obviously??????

[gloomy swallow]

i mean hands are useful and pair slop and yada yada

[hoary moon]

Zodiac is mid tier

[knotty zodiac]

well, with zodiac you find nothing less often

[gloomy swallow]

but like its just a hand

[knotty zodiac]

that's the comparison point

[hoary moon]

blue deck is probably the best

[fringe nebula]

a hand is HUGE

[frank grove]

i think my ranking is blue, yellow, abandoned, checkered, zodiac probably

[vocal rose]

you can clear round 4 consistently even with the lowest of low rolls on abandoned

[fringe nebula]

I haven't played enough zodiac to understand it, but my top 4 is blue yellow checkered abandoned

[gloomy swallow]

whatever, we can all agree the nebula deck needs a rework right

[vocal rose]

due to the deck fixing

[gloomy swallow]

and that is the worst one

[fringe nebula]

no

[hoary moon]

nebula is ass

[vocal rose]

allowing the higher hands to be played so much more consistently

[flat tiger]

i think issue start happeneing in ante 1 if you find nothing for abanadanded

[vocal rose]

it doesn't

[gloomy swallow]

yeah

[frank grove]

nebula is just unfun but its not hard to beat

[knotty zodiac]

usually i survive with two straights or flushes + a pair

[fringe nebula]

hallucination hater
we can never be friends

[gloomy swallow]

-1 consumable slot is OVERkill, if anything a suitable downgrade i think would be -1 hand?

[vocal rose]

what the fuck

we have that already

[flat tiger]

usually i can daw anything after 2 5 card hand

[gloomy swallow]

being able ot get planet cards for your most played hand but not being able to play as many hands

[gloomy swallow]

roght, mb, black deck

[vocal rose]

telescope for -1 hand is

HORRIBLE

[frank grove]

which is useless given that blue seals still exist 😭

[gloomy swallow]

NOT ahnd size7

hands

[vocal rose]

yes

[knotty zodiac]

it's called black deck

[vocal rose]

if we are talking about hands NOT hand size

that is horrible

and is just a worse black deck

[long pendant]

i fumbled, i accidently played a flush five

[vocal rose]

5oak

[gloomy swallow]

"flush five"
looks inside
"5oak"

[flat tiger]

showman what are you trying to get

[vocal rose]

im shocked that no one talked about my checkered top 3 placement

[long pendant]

no i was supposed to play a 5oak but accidentaly played a flush5

[fringe nebula]

i mean

[vocal rose]

maybe the opinion is slightly shifting

which I'm very happy for

[long pendant]

idk

[fringe nebula]

checkered earlygame is just

that good

[vocal rose]

factual

[frank grove]

checkered is just free ante 1 and round 4

[knotty zodiac]

is strush more fun on checkered or abandoned?

[warped bear]

So

[vocal rose]

abandoned since flush houses are fun on checkered

[warped bear]

Nat negative idol on Baron mime nan inf run anyone?

[frank grove]

abandoned just lets you do it more consistantly on average

[vocal rose]

I've seen it placed OUTSIDE of the top 5 for over a year now

[long pendant]

i mean that i set it to 5oak but on my 2nd hand i played a flush5

[hoary knot]

😭

pain

[flat tiger]

challenge deck

[long pendant]

the damn 5 club kings 😔

[vocal rose]

I think syn was one of the first people to be vocal about top 3 checkered though

[hoary knot]

is that mad world

[vocal rose]

and obviously vayn 🙂

[patent sail]

mythical recommenadtions pull

[long pendant]

i just watched it bro

like 5 mins ago

[patent sail]

not a single person clicked this for the taxes

[vocal rose]

I love futa tax

[flat tiger]

this is another form of smh my head?

[patent sail]

what 😭

[flat tiger]

futa is the entire name of the act

you dont go futa act or futa tax

its jsut futa

[pale wolf]

when you're talking about the tax you pay because of it, you do

thats not valid here

[patent sail]

either way that acronym isnt the best

[flat tiger]

is this when I start pretending I dont know what it is

[hoary knot]

there's alot of funny acronyms

I'm trying to jog my memory for one

[patent sail]

haaaaank! do not abbreviate creator points, hank! haaaaaaaank!!!

[hoary knot]

😰

[patent sail]

geometry dash server incident of 2025.....

tbh community was aware that the acronym is a little unfortunate for years, but only in 2025 people started exploiting that to ban people on discord by mass reporting their messages

[vocal rose]

LOL

that was horrible

[vocal rose]

god I love cyberpunk

[hoary knot]

right

[patent sail]

they fucking got rob himself

[hoary knot]

the FART test

[flat tiger]

i love cyberpunk on release before they even fix it

[hoary knot]

Haven't heard of it since 8th grade

had to enter my memory archives 😭

[patent sail]

funny thing is - unlike with FUTA, everybody knows what a FART is, they could just maybe swap 2 letters around to make it not be that but they just chose not to 😭😭😭

[hoary knot]

Coulda named it RAFT

[bleak hemlock]

Faah

[patent sail]

chaos yay

[flat tiger]

holy vourcher

[hoary knot]

the bloodstone calls

[patent sail]

nah dont

[bleak hemlock]

I'm at e50

[patent sail]

yeah no

[bleak hemlock]

The build started with bloodstone + dice

[patent sail]

bloodstone isnt gonna do shit

[hoary knot]

what hand type are you running

[patent sail]

flush five id imagine

[flat tiger]

do the blood stone bro

[patent sail]

instead of what even, chad?

thats 1 in 32 chance for X7.59 without dice

maybe more with dusk and sock

[flat tiger]

kill the idol

bloodstone is more important

[hoary knot]

dusk with 3 burglar copies 🔥

[patent sail]

ofc ofc

[flat tiger]

we must praise the bloodstone

[patent sail]

burglar + 4 burnt jokers is where its at

[patent sail]

i drew it as a catgirl but i still hate it 🐎🔥

[twin lantern]

How to play without losing

[hoary knot]

play and pray

[patent sail]

i mean you got pretty far

so like

[hoary knot]

if he wants to naneinf

that's gonna take some time

[patent sail]

man naneinf will take much more than this

[terse vale]

looks like you won

[patent sail]

bro had THROWBACK

[zinc fiber]

Istg plant card venus says “penus”

[patent sail]

that shit aint naneinfing

[twin lantern]

I want more

[knotty zodiac]

second blue seal or foil for the chad

[patent sail]

what do you want to achieve exactly? you already won ante 8, so that counts as a win

[twin lantern]

ding ding multiplier

[twin lantern]

it's boring and easy

[hoary knot]

baron & perkeo

[gloomy swallow]

you want to reach naneinf?

[patent sail]

step 1: throwback isnt gonna get you anywhere

[patent sail]

try higher stakes maybe

if thats on white no wonder its easy

[hoary knot]

that's red stake

[twin lantern]

I can't get through the orange one

[patent sail]

and about getting further

we dont know ANYTHING about your setup

hence we cant give much advice

[twin lantern]

Well, I play a little, everything is random there.

[patent sail]

the game is about making random stuff you get work together

[patent sail]

sometimes its harder, sure, but thats what you gotta learn - how to make garbage you get somehow do something

thats as much as i can say without seeing your setups and all

[hoary knot]

what suit are you doing

[flat tiger]

i will totally finish C+ tonight

[knotty zodiac]

every suit has something going for it besides clubs

[patent sail]

id just take the funny blue stamp and go next

[knotty zodiac]

thats my default play ya

[patent sail]

tho foil one is also wild

man

[flat tiger]

with baron mime and 1 steel king, is it 1.5 3 times?

[patent sail]

yeah no just take the funny seal

[patent sail]

i think so

[pale wolf]

no?

baron, steel both get mimed

[frank grove]

one for barons initial trigger, one for steel, one for mime retriggering baron and one for steel right its 4 times

[pale wolf]

4 1.5

[patent sail]

so is red seal 5 or 6

[flat tiger]

so thats why it is such a busted combo

[pale wolf]

red seal adds 1 "mime" to the card

[hoary knot]

rough

[pale wolf]

1 more steel and baron

[patent sail]

so 6

[flat tiger]

so 1 red steel king is already 6 times

[patent sail]

gaming

[frank grove]

yeah each red steel king with baron mime is 11.something x

[flat tiger]

i had quite a few mime games i never had baron work so

[frank grove]

more with copy jokers ofc

[patent sail]

this guy somehow lost ante 2 with a polychrome and a baronmime

surely he could have done SOMETHING to score

[patent sail]

the more i learn

[frank grove]

this is that ss of the game over from that post

[ripe cave]

this disc is linked in the fucking game lmao

[frank grove]

they double skipped again in ante 2

[bleak hemlock]

[patent sail]

if i had a nickel for accidentally rerolling a mime on a baron build id have two nickels

[ripe cave]

U guys getting advanced af builds

[patent sail]

smartest white staker?

[ripe cave]

I just do shit

[knotty zodiac]

immediately "punished" lol

pls keep punishing me game

[patent sail]

tbf past like blue stake builds just turn into a mess of whatever you managed to find

[ripe cave]

im on purple rn

[patent sail]

yup

[ripe cave]

it is my aim to slowly work towards the platinum and 100% on steam

[patent sail]

thats why you dont get super advanced shit and whatnot

its fine to get just WHATEVER on high stakes

[flat tiger]

my guess is he discard everything hoping for kings but not getting them

[patent sail]

because thats how 90% of the wins gonna look like

white stake is for fucking around, high stakes are for locking in and thinking

[green apex]

uhm what

[flat tiger]

what is the general strat for golden needle

[ripe cave]

i just try and win and nothing more yk

[patent sail]

if he double skipped even 3 kings in hand (one debuffed because the head) wouldnt save him 😭😭😭

[green apex]

yeah man idk

its my last challenge besides this one

[green apex]

also is invis a take here

[patent sail]

yup because thats what you do

[green apex]

as we know winning is indeed fun

[ripe cave]

in like 3 years i'll hit 100%

[patent sail]

make whatever garbage you get work together

[ripe cave]

im a completionist which is a horrible idea on balatro

[patent sail]

its not even that bad

[ripe cave]

compared to most games it is

[green apex]

im also a completionist

lets go

[flat tiger]

completionist is fine, if you want all discoveries it will literally become your lifetime work

[ripe cave]

theres worse roguelikes tho for sure

[patent sail]

takes me a few days per deck gold sticker only because i get like 2 hours of balatro a day at most

[frank grove]

also the first buffon pack in round 1 on that seed has a baron anyway 😭 they didnt even have to take the rare poly skip 😭

[ripe cave]

just trophies

[patent sail]

and grinding that c++ is easy on some deck like yellow/ghost

[ripe cave]

yeah thats the thing with other games i can just fully no life them with balatro not so much

[green apex]

would anaglyph help or nah

[terse vale]

not toooo hard

[flat tiger]

how hard would it be to C++ if you actually need to make use of that joker in the run

[terse vale]

just challenges and C++

[patent sail]

only early on

[frank grove]

also on anagylph they took investment and double tag skip on ante 2 with only baron mime with no planet levels 😭

[terse vale]

very hard cus idol and showman and throwback

[patent sail]

then you gonna keep getting the same garbgage

[ripe cave]

I would argue it's not per say difficult it's a time sink

[patent sail]

is it?

[ripe cave]

It just takes a lot longer if u dk what the hell ur doing

[patent sail]

i dont play too much and still get decent progress done

[frank grove]

does this mean you have to do oops bloodstone for example?

[patent sail]

like 1-2 stake wins a day because im lazy

[flat tiger]

I would imagine eternal stencil early into madness/throwback should be something?

[flat tiger]

i mean just use it for something

[green apex]

i do the same 😭

[frank grove]

idol would be fairly okay, ive got idol to work in 8 antes before it just sucks on avg

[ripe cave]

100+ hours is a timesink imo

[patent sail]

i mean i guess idk

[frank grove]

showman you just idk get a second chad

[flat tiger]

I would say if it helped scoring it counts

so one proc