🕹・game-discussion

[serene forge]

also

[heavy heron]

think about what rebate could’ve done for you

roll for more tarots, right? open all packs

find the 5 chariots from ante 2-7

[serene forge]

i think you couldve done a better job of leveraging your handsize

[heavy heron]

and there’s your x mult for your shoot the moon

[serene forge]

there were like 11 saturns in this seed

[heavy heron]

i’m sure with fools existing it’s more than 5 chariots

[flat tiger]

also this is the first shop

[heavy heron]

it’s always buffoon pack

[ancient gyro]

she said starting from a2 assuming they even have the funds to afford picking something up that early with reasonable decision making

[flat tiger]

I am pretty sure I didnt see lucky cat in ante 3 either

[ancient gyro]

enhancement jokers only show up if you have their respective enhancement in deck

[serene forge]

check your seed

DPPEQA5S

[earnest stag]

Don’t you skip first shop buffoon pack if you’re on plasma deck?

[serene forge]

this is not plasma deck

and also no you still take it

[ancient gyro]

um

i usually dont

when streaking

[serene forge]

you don't count you're weird

[ancient gyro]

i have a track record

[plain ermine]

BU skips the first pack on plasma too iirc

[flat tiger]

this is the ante 3 first shop no lucky cat

[ancient gyro]

yeah, ev isn't worth on plasma for your early game restrictions

[serene forge]

it's deeper in queue

[flat tiger]

also I am not sure I am taking lucky cat rental even if it shows

[serene forge]

which you would be able to look into if you had the rebate

[plain ermine]

with a chad a rental lucky cat is pretty easy to justify

without a chad maybe it’s a skip but with one?

[serene forge]

wait what

where'd you get an eternal supernova from

[ancient gyro]

lucky cat replacement

[plain ermine]

it was in their first screenshot too

[serene forge]

erm

[ancient gyro]

existing jokers in roster or unable to appear in seed will queue a different sequence of jokers and consumables

[serene forge]

ohhh is that how it works

because of the scholar

[indigo mesa]

this is the stupidest thing ever LMAO terrible decision but lets see where this goes

[serene forge]

i just assumed it would take the next common in queue or something

which is wrathful joker in this case

[heavy heron]

wouldn’t it just be a different uncommon?

maybe i’m too used to watching multiplayer

[plain ermine]

hex incoming

[ancient gyro]

and riff raff gen if it takes place of any spot in-

[serene forge]

because this is what i'm seeing

[heavy heron]

oh

scholar blocked into supernova

yea

[serene forge]

thats interesting

[heavy heron]

since he already has scholar

[ancient gyro]

that's something lilo knows

[heavy heron]

no yea it’d be diff uncommon

i’m 99% certain

so like

if it’s supposed to be lucky cat

but no lucky cards in deck

then, like, a showman will pop up

[serene forge]

seed searcher is weird

[heavy heron]

or mime

[serene forge]

it shows cavendish like 6 times before showing michel once

[plain ermine]

mine 💔

[serene forge]

which is obviously not true

[heavy heron]

chillllll

[heavy heron]

cavendish is blocked so it can’t show up

[ancient gyro]

cant use it to blame someone's fallacies anymore 💔

[stone shell]

blocking an uncommon just gives another uncommon

[heavy heron]

meaning in some weird world if michel had popped already and you had showman

you’d find cavendish 6 times

LOOLLL

[plain ermine]

well don’t cav and michel basically take the same slot?

[serene forge]

it's still good enough usually

[heavy heron]

no

[serene forge]

i was about to roast this guy for not taking ante 2 campfire until i realized i put the seed in wrong

[heavy heron]

they’re their own jokers

[plain ermine]

i was under the impression that whenever a michel is supposed to appear after it dies, it’ll spawn a cav instead

[vale shale]

Mm yes I won black

Fuck the flint

[plain ermine]

worst boss blind in the game

[serene forge]

*needle

no actually its crimson heart

literally rng

[vale shale]

It's actually ______

[indigo mesa]

bett, tho im realizing i probably shouldve tried to pivot into pairs instead of out from them

[serene forge]

no this is right

pair is the best obelisk buffer

[indigo mesa]

i feel high card pivot into pair couldve been better

no?

[serene forge]

no

high card buffer is dangerous

since you can be forced to play a hc

[flat tiger]

I got 212 on square and 53 on nova, i just cant survive with no Xmult with this

[ancient gyro]

until a first joker creation ability or enhancement joker comes into play

[knotty zodiac]

trib sticker is still good!

[serene forge]

meh if a person is enough of a handful to blame seeds for their failure then they're not gonna know about that

[ornate iris]

blooodstoonneeeeeee

i love bloodstoneeee

[flat tiger]

i always love bloodstone until it low rolls

its misprint on steroids

[ancient gyro]

in other words i never loved it

[plain ermine]

i love bloodstone! my favorite 1.5x

[ornate iris]

procs 2 times on a 15 card trigger 🥹🥹

[serene forge]

*0.44x

[indigo mesa]

bro there was a death in the shop and my scoring wasnt amazing for pairs so i decided to check the standard pack lmao

[ancient gyro]

i just thought of an amazing nitro bounty challenge that's bloodstone specific

[serene forge]

can i have it

[ornate iris]

does green joker work well with duo, as pairs are like easy to find and x2 with crazy scaling

[serene forge]

yes

[plain ermine]

yeah it’s good

two good jokers to have

[flat tiger]

i would love to see this combo for winning, I still hate pairs and using green

[ancient gyro]

I'll use you as the opponent for the other person that's willing to take my offer

[indigo mesa]

oh i miscalculated. classic

[pulsar forge]

buwomo

[knotty zodiac]

whats the challenge

[ornate iris]

photochad got me through my early days... if i see plant: roll down to a lucha

[flat tiger]

at least I got to play a flush house build for the 1st time after 3 hours with PAINted deck

[plain ermine]

the fool rolls down for lucha. the wise man puts glass on non-face cards and then doesn’t draw them and dies

[ornate iris]

has anyone gotten a crazy run with parecanio

[wild lagoon]

YESSS

I BEAT BLUE STAKE

LETS GOOO

[gaunt burrow]

now we jst need a baron

[indigo mesa]

wait.. i didnt think this through

[wild lagoon]

[ornate iris]

get ready for purple stake...

[shell matrix]

Baron Mime starter pack

[wild lagoon]

I’m not even gonna lie

[shell matrix]

I thought this was funny

[indigo mesa]

ayy!

[ornate iris]

ANTE 2 1K SMALL BLIND

[wild lagoon]

I “random bullshit” blue stake HEAVILY

[flat tiger]

when the game spam you with moon cards moment

[wild lagoon]

Look at this mess of jokers

[ancient gyro]

cut your deck down to 18 cards or less

[stone shell]

and tonight, we steal... THE MOON

[wild lagoon]

i got chicot on my 2nd ante

[plain ermine]

weakest chicot build

[knotty zodiac]

ill take it if im free and eligible

[wild lagoon]

was kinda nuts

[ornate iris]

the synergy is NOWHERE

[wild lagoon]

absolutely zero synergy

[flat tiger]

somehow I got flush house build because I turn all cards to clubs instead of copying....

[wild lagoon]

random bullshit of jokers

got me to beat blue stake though

Plus heart deck flush build

flush DOESNT FAIL

[ornate iris]

i played red stake white deck for some reason and i got yorick 🥹🥹🥹

my goat

[wild lagoon]

i brute force flushes eventually

[plain ermine]

… white deck?

[flat tiger]

i went from loving flush early to finding out flush is weak to now loving flush builds again because pair is boring

[ornate iris]

white skate red deck

[plain ermine]

[ornate iris]

yeah i love white deck

[wild lagoon]

i will never abandon flush

flush hand my beloved ❤️

[remote isle]

Is this the right place to ask for help with naneinf?

[serene forge]

"here, win"

[ornate iris]

literally this

[plain ermine]

two pair sneak on here

[flat tiger]

flush is not the best hand, its the better/more fun? hand if you dont want to spam pair for 30 years

its still weak

[serene forge]

no we hate endless mode here

(yes)

[ornate iris]

we click new run ALWAYS ❤️‍🩹

[ebon condor]

whats endless mode

[serene forge]

nonexistent

[ornate iris]

if blueprint and brainstorm could copy merry andy that'd be cool

discard naneinf

[flat tiger]

first flush house build comes to an end

[serene forge]

burger naneinf but worse

[ornate iris]

burger.?

[ebon condor]

the handsize would kill you first

[lime remnant]

its always the plasma run that has these type of joker drop like what the fuck

[ornate iris]

im sorry

[lime remnant]

like i guess bri

[ornate iris]

did he just say

[ebon condor]

so it doesnt matter 1way or another

[serene forge]

it wouldn't copy the handsize loss

[ebon condor]

why not

[vocal rose]

dont say her name

[lime remnant]

can bloodstone get value

[wild lagoon]

absolutely

[serene forge]

blueprinting stuntman doesn't reduce your handsize further

[lime remnant]

what name

[remote isle]

I'm on the serpent, 3 hands left and only 43 cards in hand. I'm going to beat the boss on this next hand, but I don't think I have enough for e308 (calculator says e305). Can anyone help?

[ancient gyro]

my second naneinf ever used 2 andys fun fact

[serene forge]

no

[ornate iris]

waiting on that onyx rework in 1.1

[serene forge]

wow you're a narcissist

[lime remnant]

ofc not

type shit

[ebon condor]

but we are changing the system for copying passive discards, so it follows that the same would be true for handsize

[thorn gale]

Is this as rare as I think

[serene forge]

44 cards in hand needed iirc

[ancient gyro]

i need a white stake sucker to make this versus challenge appealing though

[flat tiger]

is it harder to nanif using eternal Xmult with negative Ankh compared to baron mime

[serene forge]

i forgor

[remote isle]

Right, I have 43, but if I play one more I'll beat the boss

[serene forge]

just roll into the boss again next round

[knotty zodiac]

wow im not a white stake sucker? fine

[serene forge]

and you should get it

[ancient gyro]

appealing for my wallet

[vocal rose]

I have an org chem test tomorrow

fuck

[remote isle]

OHH. OK thanks, got it

[ancient gyro]

fuck org chem

[plain ermine]

skip it and play balatro instead

[vocal rose]

hi

[wild lagoon]

time to try out this plasma deck

[serene forge]

i agree

[plain ermine]

i have to wake up early too idk what i’m doing here

[knotty zodiac]

if its versus arent you guaranteed to pay out if someone doesnt give up?

[ornate iris]

full house naneinf 🥹

[ebon condor]

yeah i fuckin hate organized chemistry! i only do chemistry for evil

[serene forge]

i have a physics test at 8am on friday

its gonna suck

[ancient gyro]

not the way I have it planned

[serene forge]

but then the year's finally gonna be over for me

[plain ermine]

get ready to un-learn everything you’ve gained lol

[flat tiger]

I over estimated how many pairs I need to play for monolith challenge but better safe then sorry I guess

[ancient gyro]

you're the volunteer against the challenger

[ornate iris]

we need some full house jokers

[fringe nebula]

I got x39 canio on gold stake once

[ornate iris]

did you wittle your deck down to one suit or what

[fringe nebula]

no

[ancient gyro]

i got an x13 canio on a run after fully deck fixing for rtb

[fringe nebula]

I played 2 pair

[ancient gyro]

once

[ebon condor]

i got an x1 canio once

[lime remnant]

idc im going bloodstone

[humble gulch]

I love aspartame

[ancient gyro]

fr

[fringe nebula]

canio + 2 xmult jokers + observatory crystal ball

2 pair build

[ebon condor]

sell canio for leaf

[ornate iris]

my one gold stake win was a polychrome hanging chad, mime, madness, and blueprint

[ancient gyro]

nah we allies here

[ornate iris]

thats right! i used madness in my first gold stake win!

[ebon condor]

bah

[ornate iris]

i don't believe in this photochad propaganda anymore

[humble gulch]

Good

[plain ermine]

i mean that’s not like the most uncommon thing

madness is good

[ebon condor]

i used madness in my first ever win

[waxen quartz]

disbelieve at your peril https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1279262982416896092/Screenshot_20240830_221403.png?ex=69e9807e&is=69e82efe&hm=31c074a70a1d30e689c315057d2c35078e0587cdf39df9af9723ebb8fd98c1c2&

[ornate iris]

so on white stake which has 0 eternals

[ebon condor]

ye

[ornate iris]

damn u just want everyone to die huh

[ebon condor]

but it was old madness so

[ancient gyro]

reddit post from months ago

[ornate iris]

how did old madness work

[fringe nebula]

my first white stake win was pants full house build

[ancient gyro]

scaled on boss blinds

[ebon condor]

it worked on every blind including boss blinds

so it scaled x1.5 faster p much

[digital pewter]

https://www.balatrodle.com/ @charred sierra do it now

i command thee

[waxen quartz]

that one's mine. I posted the save here b/c there's lots of naninfs you could do with it. was running out of scoring though, can't do anything

[noble mango]

what do i do with the other bosses tho

[humble gulch]

Except that Amber Acorn is like having a tracker that follows the key

[ancient gyro]

pre or post seeded

[plain ermine]

apparently my first ever white stake win was bus and stencil

[ebon condor]

limbo keys but you can drag the lit up key to the side and it wont move

[noble mango]

what gif depicts violet vessel

[ebon condor]

limbo if it was lv1

[fierce pilot]

got it in 2 holyy

[digital pewter]

buncil

[sly bolt]

hello chat

[heavy heron]

i meannnnnnnnnnnnnn

i meannnn

[digital pewter]

goddamn

[heavy heron]

you gottaaa rightttt

[digital pewter]

i got it in 3 lol

[humble gulch]

Ultrakill parries

[fierce pilot]

||space joker|| was the perfect opener i'm ngl

[heavy heron]

never punished always open pack first

[ornate iris]

WORST xmult.

[fierce pilot]

hey don't spoil it for the others

[digital pewter]

my opener was ||hit the road||

[fierce pilot]

interesting strat

[digital pewter]

everything green except one

[gaunt burrow]

67$

[digital pewter]

i have zero strategy involved

[fierce pilot]

same bro pure vibes

[ornate iris]

get a midas mask right now

[digital pewter]

i think of a joker and i put it in and if i don't get all green i'm fucked

[sleek pike]

I can’t believe I didn’t understand high card before now, now I’ve won 3 new deck stake wins in a row from high card

[digital pewter]

i hate mobile double tap

[ancient gyro]

vamp and hologram are usually the safest openers

[granite ridge]

double tap?

[digital pewter]

double tapping on mobile auto reacts to a message

[granite ridge]

oh

[digital pewter]

means i can do stuff like this

[granite ridge]

i use that feature all the time

[digital pewter]

very fast

but i just tend to do it on accident

[granite ridge]

it happens

[flat tiger]

better then pairs anyway

[flat tiger]

Vamp is one of the most reliable win for me, usually better then Constellation even, but standard packs are not usually common for hologram

[granite ridge]

hmm people like vamp?

[vocal rose]

yes

vamp is crazy good

[granite ridge]

idk about crazy

[vocal rose]

idk about usually better than constellation

[flat tiger]

vamp is very easy to get going, too many tarot give you 2 enhance cards

[vocal rose]

its top 40

[granite ridge]

its mediocre in a good way i'd say

[flat tiger]

very easy to get 4-5X with vamp

[charred sierra]

5

[vocal rose]

definitely not mediocre

but its not as good as constellation

[vocal rose]

what kind of money generation are you getting

tf

[digital pewter]

[vocal rose]

40-50 enhanced cards?

[flat tiger]

constellation need a lot more money and rng then vamp

[vocal rose]

easily?

[flat tiger]

half the tarot are enhancements

many give you 2

[granite ridge]

i see vamp as "most consistent incosistent scaling x mult joker"

if that makes sense

[vocal rose]

it doesnt

but thats fine

[digital pewter]

i wouldnt say 4-5 is easy but it's definitely doable

[granite ridge]

i have my own perception for each joker xd

[digital pewter]

especially when you have something paired with it

[flat tiger]

unless I get vamp in like ante 6 or something, but if its late I may not even pick up vamp

if its ante 3-4 vamp 4-5 is actually pretty easy

[vocal rose]

4-5x is an EXTREMELY high vamp if you're not running something like vagabond/midas

on gold stake atleast

[granite ridge]

constellation most consistent, holo strong incosistent

what else is there

[digital pewter]

oh yeah ante 6 is like x3 max that late

[flat tiger]

holo rely mostly on if you get standard packs and it bloats your deck

[digital pewter]

and only if you've got enhancements already up

[vocal rose]

doesn't matter if you're playing pairs

[granite ridge]

which is not a problem on gold stake since you'll be playing pairs 90% of the time

[vocal rose]

which funnily enough is the best hand to play with holo

[ancient gyro]

deck bloat isn't real

[flat tiger]

i still want my blue seals to appear

[vocal rose]

vamp is consistent but just

slow

[granite ridge]

also there's a lot of spectral that boost holo

[flat tiger]

spectral is even more rare then standard

[granite ridge]

yes but once you get one its worth a lot of scaling

[ancient gyro]

holo has the cheapest scaling options
constellation has the most overall benefits
vamp has the most options of scaling overall

[granite ridge]

thats why i see it as "strong inconsistent"

[vocal rose]

holo is extremely bursty with its scaling

but not guaranteed every shop

[flat tiger]

i take vamp over hologram every day

[ancient gyro]

eh

[vocal rose]

thats bewildering

[granite ridge]

holo is the staple of easy win for most people

[ancient gyro]

hologram is cheaper on average

[proper bronze]

big wee

[granite ridge]

losing enhancements pains me

[ancient gyro]

vamp and const are very money hungry to fulfill their requirements

[granite ridge]

especially lucky cards

[flat tiger]

i need specific spectral cards or standard packs to scale instead of "half the tarot cards scale vamp"

[vocal rose]

cheaper easier whilst still having access to enhancements

[granite ridge]

joker also works

[vocal rose]

since you still have to draw that enhanced card to scale

[granite ridge]

also voucher

[flat tiger]

joker also works with vamp, if you go there

[granite ridge]

theyre less easier to get online

[vocal rose]

its also the matter of fact that

[flat tiger]

tarot packs are common and appear in shop by default

[vocal rose]

okay woah

some of the best tarot cards arent enhancement cards

in fact most of them arent apart from devil

[granite ridge]

this

[vocal rose]

death hanged man hermit temperance devil

[humble gulch]

Okay bro

[flat tiger]

you dont want "the best tarot" with vamp, you jsut want the tarot that give you 2 enhancement, which is a lot of them

[remote isle]

Thank you so much, just got my naneinf!

[granite ridge]

hugee

[granite ridge]

but $20

[vocal rose]

yeah no I'm taking the card thats going to be the most beneficial to my run

and an empress/tower

isn't better than $20

[humble gulch]

Bruh

[granite ridge]

vamp is expensive and tarots are one of the most reliable way to get money

[granite ridge]

hugeeeeeeeee

[vocal rose]

especially since vamp is such a money sink

[granite ridge]

on zodiac aswell

sweep the shop

[vocal rose]

moneys

[granite ridge]

that just helped our point lmao

i just realized

money talks

[ancient gyro]

the point i made with vamp being a huge money sink is going into the scenario of choosing 1-2 enhancements over money tarots

and generally you go for the latter

🪜

[vocal rose]

I love going later

[ancient gyro]

how about now

[flat tiger]

if I am getting a vamp going, I dont mind taking 0.2X over $20

[ancient gyro]

i do

[vocal rose]

I do

[granite ridge]

thats crazy

[vocal rose]

since hologram would cost

[flat tiger]

the hardest part has pass if I am already getting a vamp going

[ancient gyro]

vamp runs don't come clean

[vocal rose]

4-8 dollars for .25-.50x

hologram is actually night and day difference cheaper

obviously this is all in a vacuum

[flat tiger]

except standard pack is not the most common thing that appear in a shop, you can easily go mutiple ante without standard packs

[ancient gyro]

same shop weight

[vocal rose]

this would be a fair point if it didn't have the same chances of showing as arcana packs

[flat tiger]

tarot appear in shop by default

[vocal rose]

and also

having to ALSO draw your specific card

thats enhanced

and because you're choosing enhanced cards over deck fixing

thats even harder

[ancient gyro]

so do specific joker synergies

[flat tiger]

tarot appear in shop by default, jsut buy them and bring them into a round

[ancient gyro]

im omitting shop probabilities that benefit both ends

[flat tiger]

some jokers synergize with hologram liek cert and marble jsut like some jokers synergize with vamp? like most of the tarot jokers?

[ancient gyro]

4/28 shop weight probabilities yay

yeah cause the conversation was towards money ev for their scaling requirements

[flat tiger]

most of the tarot joker also give you tarot in a round so you can use them right before playing your hands

[ancient gyro]

hence my vamp is more expensive statement

at the expense of having the most overall options

[patent sail]

ante 1 holo runner that im 1 dollar short for 🥀🥀🥀

[vocal rose]

like we've said the benefit of vamp having the most overall options is not even miles better than the "inconsistent" scaling of hologram

[granite ridge]

it has unreliable chance of appearing without vouchers

[granite ridge]

CCIBP

[heavy heron]

wow well this was disappointing…

[patent sail]

nope there wasnt one

[heavy heron]

idol misses and red seal glass bottom deck

[granite ridge]

ok rip

[flat tiger]

the holo hologram died to needle

[waxen quartz]

I'm def holgram > vamp no matter what you're doing outside marble/midas besides the vamp...

but you almost always want xmult, and there's not a ton of options

[granite ridge]

hm would utilizing todd makes a difference

[vocal rose]

I just think that the selling point of vamp isn't far greater than hologram

whilst what makes hologram amazing just far exceeds vamp

[flat tiger]

i cant get odd pairs

[waxen quartz]

you can also use the strong enhancements like glass/steel with holo

[ancient gyro]

you claim to say hologram has inconsistent scaling when it has the same pack options as other booster pack types not including buffoons and spectrals that also have hologram benefits

[ancient gyro]

could be user error

[flat tiger]

i am saying its easier to scale because tarot appear in shop by default and many of them give enhancement, holo NEED standard pack or specific vourcher that you may not even want to pick up

[ancient gyro]

you missed a few options

[waxen quartz]

ok, don't take holo on the handful of planet packs only error seeds. but you use constellation there 🙂

[heavy heron]

1.1x vs 1.25x

hologram is always cheaper, scales faster, and scores better

in every scenario

[patent sail]

ante 1 obbylicks

[heavy heron]

$3 a tarot for 1.1x

standard packs or spectral packs cost like $4-8 for 1.25x

i think it's.. yea..

[flat tiger]

holo also locks you into pair/high card because of deck bloat, make it harder to draw blue seals

[vocal rose]

this is also prioritizing enhancement tarots over money/deck fixing

[heavy heron]

i don't think it locks you into it but

[waxen quartz]

not always, trimming cards is something you pretty much always do

[ancient gyro]

sometimes 23 dollars

[heavy heron]

true but then again the only real consistent way to trim cards in runs is hanged man and you ain't always finding that

so deck bloat is real

but

i wouldn't say it's impossible to go

[ancient gyro]

according to that one guy

[vocal rose]

this is a problem if im strictly relying on blue seals for chips

[heavy heron]

3oak or flush or smth w hologram

actually

flush is still quite doable w hologram

personal experience w that one

[humble gulch]

One more sticker

[vocal rose]

but then again with an unfixed deck adding one card isn't making my odds much worse

[waxen quartz]

ya, deck bloat is real. but rare to get down to the 30 or so cards needed for guaranteed draw

[ancient gyro]

well flushes have a lower failure rate % compared to straights and oaks

[vocal rose]

oh wait hologram can actually choose deck fixing over scaling via enhanced cards safely though 🤯

[waxen quartz]

that's like 5card games or holdem. I've looked up odds and almost never find the formulas for them 🙁

flush def easier to draw without seed knowledge

[vocal rose]

idk that blue seal argument I dont understand since you've prioritized taking enhancement cards over everything else

[heavy heron]

deck bloat don’t matter for me because i still be bottom decking everything i need

[vocal rose]

meaning deck fixing is already WAY harder to do

whilst you worry about "deck bloat" with hologram but

[ancient gyro]

if only I get to choose what cards I add 💔

also all of the hologram enabling jokers get rid of this problem however funky their effects are

[vocal rose]

you have access to more deck fixing options

[ancient gyro]

all I got was a chart telling you the strongest poker hand draw assuming 2 used discards across 10k runs on average

[heavy heron]

i feel like in a struggling run, i've picked up vamp and i'm just so desperately trying to get it to do anything meaningful... vs hologram i literally just skip it because i know it's auto win

LOOLL

[waxen quartz]

you're a midas mask away from vamp being good 🙂

[flat tiger]

when you are given 3 clean cards you are adding a useless card into your deck also

[heavy heron]

see there's a running joke in roffle's streams... if you ever want to know how to win, you click on the card that says "hologram" and click "buy"

[vocal rose]

well I wouldn't say vamp isn't good without vamp

vamps still pretty good

[vocal rose]

im also adding .25x to my joker

[waxen quartz]

depends what's in your deck and whether it's worth a shot...

[heavy heron]

marble + vamp is a combo i've never in my life thought of

maybe you can get rock hard w all that stone

[frank grove]

Marble vamp is tricky cause of the bus problem

[ancient gyro]

deck bloat is just a myth

[waxen quartz]

isn't that the bram poker challenge? marble + vamp?

[heavy heron]

my god what am i looking at

it's just the full rainbow spectrum in your deck

[ancient gyro]

just because I have hologram doesn't mean I'm completely denied of card removal

[heavy heron]

118 card deck jesus

LOOLLLL

IMPRESSIVE

[waxen quartz]

you need about 3 games worth there 🙂

[granite ridge]

average certificate run

[heavy heron]

you have more than 2 normal decks worth of cards in your one deck

[heavy heron]

ashy go to bed

[ancient gyro]

thanks cert

[frank grove]

Some of my stupid big deck bloat runs

[heavy heron]

jeez

and here i am selling cert after i find a blue and purple

maybe i'm missing out

[granite ridge]

thats a lot of diamonds

[frank grove]

The first one I was playing flush houses deck bloat isn’t real

[heavy heron]

but then again if you're not going high card or pairs, cert's an aboslute nightmare

[granite ridge]

you benefits from it a lot if youre playing pairs

[ancient gyro]

I'll get more seal value on average the longer I hold cert, idk what you're trying to tell me here

[granite ridge]

yeah

[heavy heron]

yup.. never punished for big deck

[patent sail]

why

[flat tiger]

i am saying even if you get standard pack chances are you get 3 clean cards and you are still adding a useless card into the deck

[granite ridge]

3 out of 4 seals can be utilized immediately

[heavy heron]

don't make me get all gassy

[heavy heron]

hey hey

red seals is +2-10 chips

[frank grove]

Chances aren’t you get 3 clean cards is it?

[ancient gyro]

and x.25

[granite ridge]

mmmmm true true

totally impactful

[heavy heron]

everybody be talking about how little chip jokers there are and then be ignoring red seals!

[flat tiger]

i have been running into no standard pack for multiple antes, I have yet to run multiple ante without enhancement tarot

[ancient gyro]

what does vamp/const do for less than half of the score scaling

[heavy heron]

i can't do vamp bro i need my glass

[granite ridge]

why is cert catching strays

its not made for scoring

[ancient gyro]

deck bloat only becomes an issue if im working with small hand size

const whoops

[frank grove]

yeah

[heavy heron]

my run 5 mins ago

vamp would give me a stroke

i need the enhancements

[granite ridge]

glorified 7 of clubs

[heavy heron]

DAMN YOU RIGHT i didnt notice

[frank grove]

Yeah but if you win with glass you without x mult jokers anyway (hopefully)

[ancient gyro]

speaking of vamp

[heavy heron]

hes at the center for the reason

[heavy heron]

yup!

[vocal rose]

castle

[flat tiger]

ouija is hitting Q, trust

[ancient gyro]

wastle

[heavy heron]

holy trance cryptid

[vocal rose]

nice

[heavy heron]

more pair slop time

well actually

[frank grove]

Really blows there isn’t a queen or jack there

[heavy heron]

you got a source of chips and you got stm so high card

might be better

[ancient gyro]

pairless profile remember

[heavy heron]

YEAAAA nice

so it’s just a high card profile

[vocal rose]

yuck

[heavy heron]

that’s funny

[ancient gyro]

it's very close to a 3oak profile

[heavy heron]

fascinating

i bettter not see 1 mercury in your stats

in fact when you click mercury in a pack it better say "undiscovered"

[frank grove]

There will be a few for const scaling

[ancient gyro]

not yet

[granite ridge]

wow

[ancient gyro]

i unlocked all for time saving purposes

[heavy heron]

the pairs of the past

are slowlyyy wearing off

[ancient gyro]

sure

[heavy heron]

i see

[frank grove]

That’s a lot of flush my god

[heavy heron]

gotta stay clean

[frank grove]

Also far too many 5oak

[flat tiger]

flush is a lot more fun to play

[heavy heron]

THAT I DO AGREE

i have no idea why planetx is on there

bro wtf

i'm on a 5 win streak?

[flat tiger]

theres only 2 planets that dont make it anyway no?

[heavy heron]

no there's uhh

15 i think

[frank grove]

There’s 12

[heavy heron]

wait yea

12

so like

it's always flush house and flush five

that doesn't make it on there

unless... endless player........

[flat tiger]

so its usually just flush 5 and flush house not making it

[frank grove]

I think flush five and house are in my top 10

Why would I ever level full house?

[heavy heron]

because it's a good show!

[flat tiger]

when you have nothing better to pick? which happens more then I like

[heavy heron]

3oak is so much better than full house it's not even a joke

3oak requires 3 hand size vs full house requires 5 hand size... both gain 2 mult per planet... full house only gets 5 more chips than 3oak...

the list is endless

[frank grove]

Yeah I’ll do it sometimes but like anything else is better than full house 😭

[heavy heron]

why does full house exist genuinely

[flat tiger]

if anything I maybe playing a fullhouse once in a while, I am almost never playing a straight flush

[ancient gyro]

cause well I barely have the leisure time to play these days

[heavy heron]

you have a fancy font

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[heavy heron]

also, illegal

grass touching?

disgusting

we're balatro players

we don't do that grass stuff

the only grass we know is

crap... think of a joke

[flat tiger]

touch glass

[heavy heron]

LOOLLLL

grass? i think you meant glass

[flat tiger]

touch the red glass, my beloved

[heavy heron]

grass? i think you meant green joker

[patent sail]

ok sure

[heavy heron]

[the game is calling you crazy]

[heavy heron]

are you playing on PC can you stream it to me

[flat tiger]

i hate green joker and i hate it more when it show up ante 1 because I have to take it

[heavy heron]

i want to judge you

[patent sail]

im actually going after this run is done

[heavy heron]

wow...

[humble gulch]

Sticker

[patent sail]

and its ante 8 rn

[heavy heron]

obelisk build huh

i didn't raise you like this

[patent sail]

[heavy heron]

(it's a good build)

[patent sail]

obbylicks straights

wait crqzy is actually doing something

[heavy heron]

but i think i have a better build

[patent sail]

cuz straights

[flat tiger]

i havent seen cavendish for like 20 hours

[heavy heron]

i'll show you my build sometime wink

wait what

[ancient gyro]

contrary to popular belief i don't play that many games

[heavy heron]

yea you're too busy making bank on that remote job huh

making more money than fern out here

[ancient gyro]

no i just don't like sitting in front of a monitor when I have time off

[patent sail]

bye heart

[warm wedge]

maybe temperance + fool?

[heavy heron]

good job ashy...............

you've done very good

[flat tiger]

$0 is $0

[heavy heron]

i think it's uhhh

moon the club ace and fool

[patent sail]

NEGATIVE EGG 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣

[heavy heron]

so you can moon the club ace again later

[humble gulch]

Do I instantly die or do I get a free win

[heavy heron]

that sounds like a good egg..

[humble gulch]

BRO, THAT'S LIKE, COMPLETELY FREE

[patent sail]

negg

[heavy heron]

I NEVER SAID THAT

i said eg

[patent sail]

we all saw that

[heavy heron]

LOOLLLL

saw what

[flat tiger]

poly skip W

[patent sail]

that was not the wind

[frank grove]

Freest win and only good poly tags I’ve maybe ever seen

[warm wedge]

yup and face card + face card = face card

[heavy heron]

so how's your run

[humble gulch]

I love making bad decisions

[heavy heron]

why am i awake ok gn

[patent sail]

only run i need now is me running to college because i have classes in 10 minutes

[heavy heron]

good luck! get your education!

[patent sail]

gonna start giving +4 mult and +20 chips for played aces

[heavy heron]

actually you need to get +15 chips per straight

[flat tiger]

i have not seen a more free free win then this challenge

[heavy heron]

within the next 10 mins

[heavy heron]

niceeee (copying glass joker would be better btw but it doesn't matter) niceeeeeee

[frank grove]

Copying hack would be better actually

[ancient gyro]

🔙

[heavy heron]

uhhh

[heavy heron]

nope, still worse

8x < 8.5x

[frank grove]

Glass joker went up after the cards got played and got destroyed

[flat tiger]

X2 3 times is not "just 8X"

[heavy heron]

you're adding 3 glass triggers (8x) vs copying glass joker for 8.5x

[heavy heron]

it is 8x

[frank grove]

It was 7.something not 8.5

[heavy heron]

2^3 = 8x

[frank grove]

Glass joker scales after the cards are scored and destroyed

[flat tiger]

you are doing X2 on the base mult you already ahve

[frank grove]

So yes copying hack is better

[heavy heron]

nope

glass breaks after you finish scoring

[frank grove]

Yes it does

exactly

[heavy heron]

meaning

[frank grove]

So it scales after you score

[heavy heron]

yup

[frank grove]

So it was 6/7 x not 8x

[heavy heron]

so it was 8.5x

[humble gulch]

135 chips are definitely enough

[patent sail]

it was what? say that again?

[frank grove]

Nope it scales after you score

[heavy heron]

676767

[heavy heron]

yes, even after jokers are done scoring

[frank grove]

exactly so it was a lower x mult ??

[heavy heron]

so 8.5x --> like 11x after 2 glass broke (for next hand but he won already)

[humble gulch]

Free win

[ancient gyro]

im watching 3 guys discuss basic math to each other

[heavy heron]

it's not like you play glass, it breaks, THEN your jokers start scoring

no your whole hand finishes scoring THEN glass breaks

you see how glass broke AFTER jokers scored?

NVM GLASS DIDNT BREAK IN THIS EXAMPLE LOOLLL

[humble gulch]

I KEEP DRAWING STRAIGHTS

[frank grove]

I know that’s what I’m saying

But tbf I did mis read the ss

[heavy heron]

so glass joker was already 8.5x

[frank grove]

yeah

[heavy heron]

(better than hack)

anyways this wasn’t worth staying up for LOOLLL gn

[ancient gyro]

glassy and lucky car scaling have different score update intervals

[patent sail]

cjkxhw

[frank grove]

i know

But I misread the ss as I said

[heavy heron]

sorry i didn’t mean to make you all choked up

[ancient gyro]

in case of clarity

o

im gonna go play smash

[humble gulch]

Sold green to survive

[fringe nebula]

bruhhh

atleast you can discard now

[humble gulch]

Three bad boss blinds in a row...

Come to my arms, I need this

Died

Hmm

[exotic silo]

how did that die 😭

[humble gulch]

Anyways, choose your pair slop

[humble gulch]

I was broke

REWARDED

[exotic silo]

I'll take the perishable rental devious joker in the buffoon pack thank you

[frozen swan]

just got this rerolling the shop once

[exotic silo]

insta win ngl

[humble gulch]

Yaoi

[exotic silo]

as long as you find some sort of +Mult, probably hand levels

[humble gulch]

All I need is planets

Nothing else

Look how I win with only two scoring jokers 🗣️

[frank grove]

what stickers do you have left now?

[exotic silo]

just farm some stickers on the way

[humble gulch]

Let me check

[waxen fable]

straight couple..... booooring

[frank grove]

arent they meant to be brothers?

[humble gulch]

Wait

I only have 5 left

Bruh

[frank grove]

😭

whats left? anything too bad?

[exotic silo]

faceless joker was seen stickerless up there

[humble gulch]

Invis, vagabond, both flush commons and faceless

[frank grove]

ok thsoe are some insane lasts

vagabond and faceless ?

the flush commons makes sense

[exotic silo]

tbf I have only seen Vagabond twice ever in my 120h game time

mobile and PC combined

😭

[humble gulch]

Andd merry andy

I forgot

[exotic silo]

so, did you take the eternal rental faceless there

[frank grove]

its always the blue seal right?

[humble gulch]

No

[exotic silo]

oh well, he'll come around again some time

[spring granite]

either seal would be helpful here, but blue seal lucky card hurts to see

[fringe nebula]

red seal for the funny

[frank grove]

i took red, its zodiac i can get 4oak going

[humble gulch]

I KNEW IT, I ALWAYS GET SOULS WHEN MADNESS

[fringe nebula]

go fullskip

[humble gulch]

Ughh, it's a good one too

[fringe nebula]

or maybe you already have sticker on all legendaries

[spring granite]

free money

[humble gulch]

I'd die

[humble gulch]

Yeah

I do

[frank grove]

5 oak kings round 4 sometimes zodiac just gives you devil strength and then a fool in the shop

[humble gulch]

Are you doing Zodiac++ already?

[frank grove]

no im just playing zodiac 😭

[fringe nebula]

i think argil is doing normal gold stake gameplay

or winstreaking idk

[frank grove]

if i was streaking i would take the blue seal 😭

[fringe nebula]

true

[digital pewter]

based

[humble gulch]

Bruh

[frank grove]

got aj from a judgement 😭 what is this run

[humble gulch]

Fuck yes

[frank grove]

hmmm ok well ill take that i guess 😭

[spiral gorge]

I hit the perfect seed 😍
I already have observatory, Perkeo with brainstorm, burnt joker with brainstorm to power up high card and have steel red seal kings too
this might be my first really high ante run if i play it well

[humble gulch]

Well, I wasn't lying when I said I only needed two scoring jokers

I've gotten really good at playing with three jokers or less

[surreal dragon]

Balala

Joker Poker

[surreal dragon]

naneinf potential, gl homie

[humble gulch]

TWO IN A ROW

[surreal dragon]

what is it

[humble gulch]

Fuck

[surreal dragon]

here, win.

[spiral gorge]

wow, just hit dna too

[surreal dragon]

its on zodiac, it could go nuts

[glossy forge]

I love Gift Card 🥺 (i have not seen a single Temperance since i bought it)

[upper hawk]

what is the score requirement for ante 24?

[flat tiger]

when I bought rental EGG then got 3 temprance

more then 2

[frank grove]

🔥

[ornate orchid]

Me when negative jimbo

[humble gulch]

I think I die, guys

[ornate orchid]

[humble gulch]

Gg

Barely made it through

[ornate orchid]

Double neg perkeo

[frank grove]

close one

[ornate orchid]

Holy

[frank grove]

thats holo

[spiral gorge]

if anyone could be so kind to help me in #🕹・run-discussion i would be so glad 🙏

[ornate orchid]

Oh yeah holo

[humble gulch]

Ughhh, I want this so bad

Nevermind

[south monolith]

I'ma let madness and dagger fight it out

I wanna see who comes out on top

Will dagger run through to madness or get eaten by it

[flat tiger]

incoming 5 stars and suns

[south monolith]

That's so very accurate

[upper hawk]

whats the score requirement for ante 24

[humble gulch]

I died to the hook

[frank grove]

e77

[turbid nova]

A shame that it’s rental

[upper hawk]

how many cryptids is that with this build

[upper hawk]

?

[humble gulch]

Surely I'll get a Yorick

[upper hawk]

trust rebate with god deckfixing

[frank grove]

with both hand size vouchers? and only one ecto?

[bold gyro]

Should I sell foil gift card and buy egg?

I have no econ joker besides foil gift card

[upper hawk]

only 1 hand size voucher with 1 ecto so 8 hand size

assuming full steel

[frank grove]

its 75 red seal steels so you got it

[upper hawk]

k

could this make it to ante 39 if play well?

or is cryptids not good for ante 39

[waxen fable]

am i lucky

[upper hawk]

w build

[frank grove]

i dont really know alot about getting to ante 39 honestly ive only done it once and that was with bean bug so idk how viable cryptids are but i think they'll do enough for a while idk about past ante 30 though

[upper hawk]

alr

itll pb anyways probably

might have lowk thrown tho

[bold gyro]

So egg>>>foil gift card yes?

[upper hawk]

nvm

[frank grove]

with how many cryptids you have if you use them all at once you would score like 750e i think ?

[upper hawk]

oh

[waxen fable]

cryptids are viable when u start omega copying them on antes before 8

speaking from a seeded experience though

[upper hawk]

been copying since like ante 4 so i think im good

wait no

im dumb

like ante 7

[waxen fable]

yea 7 is still feasible

[upper hawk]

k

[waxen fable]

dont use any of them

[frank grove]

yeah, i would try to find burglar at this point to hold cryptids as long as possible right?

[upper hawk]

is there a point where i should sell perkeo for something that helps score

[waxen fable]

personally would sell out the perk for a burglar

[frank grove]

yeah

[waxen fable]

on ante 30

if i wanna reach 39 i do dat

[upper hawk]

k

should i use cryptids for blinds i cant beat?

wait yeah obv

or should i sell perkeo rn

just realised smth

that might cook me

i dont have retcon

[flat tiger]

do you even cryptid anything before you have any seal/enhanced cards?

[bold gyro]

Which do I take?

I am thinking golden?

[upper hawk]

?

oh

this is my deck bro

[bold gyro]

so take golden?

[upper hawk]

yeah

is it worth taking rebate for money? im lowk poor.

[shell dagger]

yea, a 4th copy joker will be much better than dna rn

[upper hawk]

really? i feel like extra cards is better than a copy

[shell dagger]

1 more copy means 1 more cryptid per round which is extra cards

[upper hawk]

yeah ig

so sell dna for rebate?

[shell dagger]

ye

[upper hawk]

k but i want a second opinion to be sure

[shell dagger]

also it makes every king do 25% more retriggers

so you need only 80% of the kings needed to naneinf compared to 3 copy jokers

[upper hawk]

wouldnt one more baron copy be better than one more mime copy

[upper hawk]

going for ante 39 not naneinf btw

[shell dagger]

same goes

[upper hawk]

k

[shell dagger]

idk what you’re coping rn to compare it to

[upper hawk]

2 baron 1 mime

[shell dagger]

that’s optimal

[upper hawk]

should i just

[upper hawk]

or keep farming money

[shell dagger]

50% chance it hits

up to you ig

[hybrid cypress]

The gamble..

[upper hawk]

yeah ill go for money

[hybrid cypress]

but the gamble

[shell dagger]

wait you’d just sell dna before it anyway

60%

[upper hawk]

i alr sold dna for the rebate

[shell dagger]

nvm

[upper hawk]

like u said

[hybrid cypress]

But the thrill of the gamba

[shell dagger]

i just woke up lol

[upper hawk]

?

oh

[shell dagger]

my brain isn’t working properly

[hybrid cypress]

think of all the funny moments gambling will give you

[shell dagger]

all this is still correct tho

[hybrid cypress]

[upper hawk]

rebate for burg?

[bold gyro]

Do I buy polychrome wrathful? And if so what do I sell? I am thinking egg or foil gift

[upper hawk]

ifwhat is egg on

[bold gyro]

egg sells for $33 now

foil gift sells for 14

[upper hawk]

gift cards gotta go

[bold gyro]

but it gives +50 chips

but yeah

[upper hawk]

wait

are you playing spade flushes

[bold gyro]

no

10 4 build

loaded deck with 10's and 4's for the polychrome walkie talkie

[upper hawk]

oh ok

[bold gyro]

mostly leveled up pair and 2 pair

high card too

sell foil for wrathful?

[vocal rose]

yes

sell egg and buy the poly

[upper hawk]

yeah id say so

[bold gyro]

polychrome walkie my only X mult until final hand

wait sell egg?

not foil gift?

shouldn't I keep egg till ante 8?

[deep copper]

trying to get ante 39 with flush 5 perkeo, is there any reason to play faces with sock and buskin over 5s with hack?

[upper hawk]

if gift is needed for score sell egg

[bold gyro]

well how important is +50 chips here?

[upper hawk]

chips

and the chance you get trib

[bold gyro]

I'm super confused lol

[wild lagoon]

The Head is going to be my demise tonight

[bold gyro]

is the foil on gift important?

[deep copper]

okay, thanks

[wild lagoon]

But at least I already passed ante 8

[shell dagger]

it’s way easier to transition from photochad into idol than just glass into idol

the chips are irrelevant

[deep copper]

should i be running glass instead of gold with golden ticket?

[shell dagger]

no

not while you score enough

also by ante 39 flush 5 im assuming you mean perkeo observatory with idol

[deep copper]

im just resetting until i get an ante 1 perkeo so scoring shouldnt be too hard for the start

[deep copper]

yeah

[shell dagger]

yeah run glass as long as you can

[upper hawk]

u mean gold?

[shell dagger]

yes

[shell dagger]

lol

[bold gyro]

so which do I sell foil gift or egg?

like math wise does the foil on gift matter?

[deep copper]

would i run glass with dna or something then?

just to make sure i dont run out

[shell dagger]

probably not

keeping dna just to keep the glass up is worse than just having another copy joker and keeping gold

bc that’s 1 less planet copy a round

[deep copper]

yeah, i guess

[shell dagger]

you can make glass at the very end when you really need it

[deep copper]

is there any resource for the number of eris you'd need to make per turn to reach ante 39

or any planet

[shell dagger]

uh ante 38 score is about e292 or something

log_1.5(10^292) is probably about 800

[deep copper]

sigh

[shell dagger]

but a peak idol build scores e100 or so

so log_1.5(e190) should suffice

500 ish?