🕹・game-discussion

[echo sphinx]

grimbo is not a scaling jojer!!!

[eager summit]

no

also i do not like the term "completely player-dependent", it's just the best wording i found

[cloud sinew]

but you can choose to not play a 3oak. it's player dependent, which is what your argument for baseball and to the moon

[pale wolf]

scaling stake

[turbid nova]

space joker is not a scaling joker
it has level scaling effect, but it never activates

[cloud sinew]

then figure out a way to word it better /gen

[eager summit]

no /diy

[echo sphinx]

spaace joker is a scaling joker
it scales with the number of oopsies

[pale wolf]

there should be a list of non-scalers and no list of scalers

[echo sphinx]

ill try and device a tier list

[cloud sinew]

wheel is a scaling boss blind

[turbid nova]

it scales the number of times i have to click new game after it makes me lose

[eager summit]

serpent is a scaling boss

[pale wolf]

every blind is a scaling boss blind

[eager summit]

it scales your hand size

[cloud sinew]

why

[green apex]

everything scales then

[turbid nova]

"player-dependent" I choose not to do anything at all, nothing happens, nothing scales -> No jokers are scaling jokers

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt

[pale wolf]

a1 needle is always smaller than a7 needle

they scale

[cloud sinew]

what about a39 and a40

[turbid nova]

actually needle is negatively scaling bc the score is smaller than the big blind

[pale wolf]

a39 is the end of the game and a40 is what i drink after

[eager summit]

and a41 is a phone

[turbid nova]

I'm pretty sure my goat blackboard could win ante 39

not sure how no one has tried it yet

[pale wolf]

ok goodbye i take my leave for now

[shell dagger]

bc it’s boring and plays identically to every other ankh ecto naneinf

oops you said ante 39

but it’s also perkeo and boring

[eager summit]

blackboard is cavendish but nitpicky

[cloud sinew]

blackboard is cavendish that wont kill itself

[turbid nova]

blackboard is not just a joker it's a way of life

[shell dagger]

i saw wraith naneinf recently which was actually slightly funny

[green apex]

well.

[turbid nova]

if blackboard has 100 fans I'm one of them
if blackboard has 1 fan it's me
if blackboard has no fans I'm dead

[eager summit]

it should find a way to get out of my life

[green apex]

i love blackboard too

its even better on checkered deck because its twice as better.

||trust||

[cloud sinew]

its awesome on checkered

but not better

[green apex]

trust me on this

it is better

[eager summit]

bc that would mean it scales

[turbid nova]

make everything into spades

[cloud sinew]

why

[green apex]

spades > clubs

[noble mango]

should i spade everything or heart everything or club everything or diamond everything

[green apex]

depends on what boss blinds you've had i guess

[echo sphinx]

thoughts

or im too lazy to put for some reason idk what was the orange

[green apex]

isnt seltzer scaling because "x uses left"

[pallid galleon]

spoky

[green apex]

mystic summit looks amazing

wrathful too

[echo sphinx]

N E G A T I V E

[noble mango]

the plant
the mark
the needle
the manacle
the wall
the fish
the water
the flint
the eye
the mouth
the pillar
the ox
the toot
the head
the goad
the house
violet vessel
verdant leaf
cerulean bell
crimson heart

[turbid nova]

How is bloodstone scaling bro

[echo sphinx]

hones to god im not sure

[green apex]

how do you remember every bossblind youve faced already 😭

or seen

[echo sphinx]

but u have to convince me its not

ok ill start

[turbid nova]

Ancient isn’t

[echo sphinx]

bloodstone is scaling because it scales with oops

[noble mango]

idk i just list every boss i encountered

[turbid nova]

No??

[noble mango]

not just on a run ig

[tender quarry]

Mime is scaling because it scales with baron

[echo sphinx]

the number changes when you buy it

[cloud sinew]

you should have just made one "maybe" category.
having multiple maybe categories doesnt make any sense. if something is "maybe not scaling" by definition it is "maybe scaling" as well

[echo sphinx]

fair

[noble mango]

gros michel is scaling

[turbid nova]

Driver license isn’t scaling either

It’s conditional

[tender quarry]

Gros Michel and Cavendish eventually both scale to 0 mult

[cloud sinew]

whats with the idk category

[noble mango]

gros michel scales to 0 mult + cavendish opening

cavendish itself isn't scaling

[echo sphinx]

im too lazy with these jokers

ok fine ill sort them

[noble mango]

burger isn't scaling no?

[tender quarry]

Cavendish scales to nothing with enough time though

[cloud sinew]

based on the rest of your tierlist, burnt is scaling but the rest are not

[turbid nova]

Out of the idk category I’d say just burnt maybe

But the rest no

[pallid galleon]

one round later:

[green apex]

how is scoring going for you

[pallid galleon]

check the deck

[turbid nova]

If I played this I wouldn’t find 3 oaks

But I guess you already deckfixed a bit

[pallid galleon]

boss was the water and somehow started with a 3oak

[tender quarry]

But also I think you need to be more consistent with synergies (especially the oops one), like why is Bloodstone "Maybe Scaling", Buisness "Don't know where else" and Parking "Not Scaling"

[echo sphinx]

rip

fair tbh

[cloud sinew]

and if baron is maybe scaling then so is trib

[echo sphinx]

so hard to draw the line lol

[cloud sinew]

it is, but you just need to be consistent

[echo sphinx]

if trib is then start thinking about the "playing cards gain x score"

like. idol

[cloud sinew]

mhm

you should group all of those together

not in their own category, but just make sure theyre all in the same one

[tender quarry]

I think the way to go about it is to start by making a set of rules, then evaluating if each joker meets that

[hoary moon]

sonion

what does the joker role do

[cloud sinew]

why is drivers license maybe scaling but blackboard is not scaling

[cloud sinew]

makes you blue

[pallid galleon]

chat should i take baron

this run is so stupid

[hoary moon]

im what world is blackboard scaling

[tender quarry]

So for me, Scaling would be "Directly changes the number on the card" and maybe scaling is "Self-Sufficiently improves the longer that you keep the card"

But you can choose your own definition

[hoary moon]

driver liscense is more scaling than blackboard thats for sure

[knotty zodiac]

damn i missed the scaling convo?

[cloud sinew]

no

[knotty zodiac]

oh no its still going lulz

ok. so if hiker is scaling. is heirophant also scaling?

[cloud sinew]

no

thats a boolean effect

[hoary moon]

its White stake so you might as well go for endless

[cloud sinew]

you cant stack heirophant

[hoary moon]

u have trading card too

[knotty zodiac]

so editions are not scaling

[hoary moon]

no duh

[molten thicket]

is dusk scaling?

[echo sphinx]

explicit: has Currently in the description
implicit: does not have Currently but the number does still flunctuate
maybe: effect grows by any means over the course of a run (effect gets easier to Trigger the next time for every trigger like 8ball) over the course of a run
no: none of the above (Z*ny Joker etc)

thoughts on ruleset

[knotty zodiac]

is perkeo scaling?

[hoary moon]

is wily joker scaling

like cmon

[knotty zodiac]

perkeo scales score with observatory

[serene forge]

supernova isn't scaling it doesn't have a number on the joker that changes

[echo sphinx]

lemme try applying the ruleset for every joker

[cloud sinew]

"consistency like blackboard" applies to pretty much every other joker then

[echo sphinx]

huh thats true

[cloud sinew]

you can make drawing hands more consistent, drawing ranks, suits, etc

[echo sphinx]

fric

[knotty zodiac]

any deckfix is consistency

[molten thicket]

also if then seltzer should be in scaling but food

[hoary moon]

jolly joker is scaling because consistency

if u play pait

[lunar zealot]

Hello chat

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[hoary moon]

it gives mult

[lunar zealot]

wrathful lusty gluttonous or greedy

[knotty zodiac]

@hoary moon address this

[serene forge]

jolly

[cloud sinew]

it's not food

[ancient gyro]

ranch or honey mustard

[hoary moon]

jolly joker scales with blueprint

[molten thicket]

its a drink

[cloud sinew]

do you consider water to be a food

[hoary moon]

from 8 mult to 16mult

scaling

[molten thicket]

also i think "food" here is referring to downwards scaling

[cloud sinew]

so green joker is a food

[echo sphinx]

campfire food :thonk:

[hoary moon]

they should add alcohol as food joker with powerful effects but downside

[echo sphinx]

rename cola om

[ancient gyro]

the terraria effect

[knotty zodiac]

you gotta be right when you snark ya know

otherwise its a bit embarrassing

[hoary moon]

tequila gives 2 double tags but halves money

[hoary moon]

jolly joker is +8

[ancient gyro]

ideologically consistent

[echo sphinx]

ok question

[molten thicket]

i am bad with words

[echo sphinx]

does this argument make sense for "is it scaling":
played card effect scales with triggers

[serene forge]

8ball is scaling

[knotty zodiac]

neither

[echo sphinx]

therefore, even steven could be maybe scalin

[molten thicket]

no i think

[hoary moon]

mad joker is scaling

be so fr

oops all sixes is scaling

[echo sphinx]

some cards that have the "Currently:" thing has a scaling cap

[noble shuttle]

I've decided I'm gonna get C++ again! >:3

[hoary moon]

paralelodilia is scaling

[echo sphinx]

likewise even steven has a scaling cap

[noble shuttle]

what?

[cloud sinew]

okay but im talking about seltzer and seltzer wasnt mentioned in either of the messages linked as sources

[gentle basalt]

how is zany not more consistent over time

[echo sphinx]

sorry that was 10 minutes ago

[serene forge]

this is literally the page for seltzer

[noble shuttle]

Not son, daugher ;3

[echo sphinx]

i is bad guy

[hoary moon]

sonion

[noble shuttle]

nope

daugherion ;3

[cloud sinew]

and the [3][4] ARE NOT ABOUT SELTZER.

[hoary moon]

descendant

[noble mango]

is this correct or

[ancient gyro]

cation or anion

[hoary moon]

anything yo prove a point

[knotty zodiac]

fwiw im in the raspberry vinaigrette and balsamic camp @ancient gyro

[hoary moon]

fuh

[echo sphinx]

no seltzer im sobbing

[noble shuttle]

Alright, I'm done with the joke now lolz
Just please use the correct terms

[hoary moon]

wrong medsage

[molten thicket]

you can eat a photograph

[noble shuttle]

Seriously please.

[serene forge]

i mean egg is also not a perishable joker so really what is the point tbh

[noble shuttle]

I've asked you to stop it once.

[echo sphinx]

lemme just eat a campfire real quick

[hoary moon]

alr gng

[cloud sinew]

seltzer is not a food

[noble shuttle]

Thank you.

[echo sphinx]

how is a mail not maybe edible

[hoary moon]

is joker cola food

[hoary moon]

it aint that serious thi

[cloud sinew]

i dont consider it to be

[hoary moon]

is perkeo a food

[turbid nova]

???

[serene forge]

drinks are a subset of food

[hoary moon]

you technically can eat perkeo

[ancient gyro]

beverage

[noble shuttle]

Yes, it is. I have reasons as to why.

[noble mango]

but it's edible/consumable ig

[serene forge]

food and beverages

[knotty zodiac]

food&beverage

[noble mango]

yes you can eat humans but i won't

[hoary moon]

yh so its maybe food

[noble mango]

that's why there's alot of jokers in the edible but won't

only for emergencies

[serene forge]

bloodstone is food for dagger

[noble mango]

and dna is
too small to even be a snack

anything is dagger food i mean

[hoary moon]

yes

i remember most people were defending bloodstone

[noble mango]

yknow you somehow can eat wood ig

[cloud sinew]

i dont consider everything that is edible to be food

[knotty zodiac]

@echo sphinx u coming up with hypothesis v2?

[echo sphinx]

wdym hypothesis

[hoary moon]

seltzer behaves like food and is technically food

[knotty zodiac]

"what is scaling"

[echo sphinx]

oh yeah

[cloud sinew]

how does it behave like food, and how is it technically food

[hoary moon]

scales down, edible

[green apex]

what is seltzer

[noble mango]

im bored of ranking jokers based of how good or strong it is in game so i rated it by how edible it is

[green apex]

what even is it

[noble mango]

drink

[green apex]

oh

[noble shuttle]

I love hearts but I hate Bloodstone. I mean I wish that guy would [ R E D A C T E D ] and go [ R E D A C T E D ] in the pits of hell that [ R E D A C T E D ] never did anything but be a lazy [ R E D A C T E D It's not even that good late game.

[cloud sinew]

something being edible does make it food automatically.
also "scales down" means that you don't consider cola or egg to be foods then

[noble mango]

Seltzer is the American name for carbonated water and hard basically means that it's alcoholic, similar to how the term “soft drink” means there is no alcohol. In the US, they're also commonly referred to as “spiked” seltzer, meaning they're a seltzer water that's been spiked with alcohol.

[hoary moon]

scales down/consumable

[serene forge]

is a hershey's bar food

[cloud sinew]

define "consumable"

[turbid nova]

if it's a drink why is seltzer in a spray cleaner bottle

[cloud sinew]

where are you getting "hard" from? it's not called hard seltzer in-lgame

[cloud sinew]

it's a seltzer bottle

[hoary moon]

designed to only last a vouple of rounds

[knotty zodiac]

most efficient way to drink gatorade

[noble mango]

you remind me of [CENSORED]'s Entity log where most of what [CENSORED]'s things and [CENSORED] things are [CENSORED]

[cloud sinew]

egg lasts indefinitely

it can be eternal

[hoary moon]

its designed to be sold gng

you can keep cola too

[noble shuttle]

Kewl, I still wish Bloodstone would [ R E D A C T E D ]

[turbid nova]

oh it's like this?

[molten thicket]

no

[turbid nova]

I thought it was a spray bottle

[cloud sinew]

no it isnt

[cloud sinew]

yes

[noble mango]

seltzer is basically carbonated water

[hoary moon]

yall are arguing about anything istg

[cloud sinew]

it is carbonated water

[molten thicket]

ive never seen that in my whole life

[turbid nova]

me neither

[ancient gyro]

don't go to enough bars

[hoary moon]

[turbid nova]

yeah I don't drink

[molten thicket]

that looks like a cleaning solution spray bottle

[cloud sinew]

if it was designed to be sold then it wouldn't be able to be eternal

[molten thicket]

but its glass

[serene forge]

baron is a food joker

[hoary moon]

OHHHHH

i thought seltzer was another thing lol

[noble mango]

but sound more american

🦅 🇺🇸

[knotty zodiac]

so there is a category of jokers that are edible and get used up, what should we call them? the most common term i've seen is food joker. right, egg doesn't fit. is there a better term?

[hoary moon]

its sole purpose is to raise sell price and to be sold

[cloud sinew]

it's sole purpose is not "to be sold" otherwise it would not be able to be eternal twin

[turbid nova]

or to sacrifice to the dagger ⚔️

or for temperance value

or swashbuckler

[molten thicket]

i just call them food jokers and NORMAL ppl understand me well

[ancient gyro]

you missed two other niches

[noble mango]

eh im talking of how edible if it was real

[hoary moon]

yes i know

[cloud sinew]

jokers whose sole purpose is to be sold cannot be eternal; invisible joker, luchador, diet cola

[hoary moon]

but in most cases you sell it

[turbid nova]

yeah

[hoary moon]

wjose only purpose

egg has more purposes for sure

but

its mainly for selling

[cloud sinew]

then why did you say sole purpose ???

[hoary moon]

dramatic effect

[molten thicket]

is it mainly for selling?

[turbid nova]

yes?

[hoary moon]

THANK you

[noble mango]

whatever im eating my cavendish yall

[raven oracle]

Hey, I was wondering how long does it take to beat balatro?

[hoary moon]

you dont beat it

[echo sphinx]

30 minutes per run

[stone shell]

finally a bloodstone usecase i can get behind

[ancient gyro]

no

[turbid nova]

30 minutes?

[molten thicket]

yeah

[raven oracle]

the entire game dumbass

[knotty zodiac]

like one run? most ppl probably 30 minutes to an hour. learning to get there takes longer

[molten thicket]

i like to keep my eggs

[echo sphinx]

unless you start thinking or lot or asking chat, yes its 30 minutes

[echo sphinx]

5 seconds

[hoary moon]

hating on bloodstone is not niche anymore

[echo sphinx]

press the unlock all button

[molten thicket]

its a roguelike son 😭

[noble mango]

for ante 8 that will be 24 rounds

[cloud sinew]

you shouldve specified before

[hoary moon]

errmmm maybe hes not a son 🤓

[ancient gyro]

it's usually 30 min for me

[turbid nova]

I feel like it takes less? or maybe time is passing faster than I thought

[cloud sinew]

different people will play at different speeds

[noble mango]

if ur talking C++ it can range from 1 week to 3 moths

[turbid nova]

oh yeah at 1x speed then yeah 30 min sounds right

[stone shell]

balatro games are like 2 minutes long (i fullskip double investment and die to the hook)

[hoary moon]

if you aint playing at 4x youre doing smth wrong

[raven oracle]

yeah but at some point the game runs out of content, so how long does it take to beat the game?

[molten thicket]

who plays at 1x speed

[knotty zodiac]

roguelikes don't "run out of content"

[echo sphinx]

it depends on how good you are lol

if you're asking tihs question now

[cloud sinew]

if you mean getting all achievements, 170-250 hours is the typical range

[echo sphinx]

i would say

until u die

[knotty zodiac]

how long does it take to "beat chess"?

[stone shell]

i wouldnt say it doesnt run out of content

[echo sphinx]

that's a graet way to frame it

[cloud sinew]

i don't agree

[stone shell]

its more like it takes a lot longer for good ones to lose its charm

[knotty zodiac]

the content is the emergent gameplay

[raven oracle]

Fuck off

[hoary moon]

theres a lot more chests positions than balatro seeds

[noble mango]

how long does it take to beat it

[cloud sinew]

???

[ancient gyro]

or 3 hours depending on the person

[noble mango]

just beat it

[knotty zodiac]

lololol

[echo sphinx]

for you itll be closer to 600 hours

[cloud sinew]

why are you being hostile, i'm genuinely trying to help you

i gave you a sincere answer

[hoary moon]

hes referring to the Game

probably

[hollow birch]

I might be braindead but can someone explain how my score calc is giving me a range for this hand?

[hoary moon]

like fuck me

[raven oracle]

that you are, but I dont like that flag in your status

[ancient gyro]

huh

[cloud sinew]

<@&1133519078540185692> twin just being transphobic

[hoary moon]

my guess is order for photogtaph

[molten thicket]

im crine 😭

[echo sphinx]

fuck off what the fuck

[hollow birch]

what do you mean?

[stone shell]

i mean this with no insult to the person but what the FUCK to the message

[hoary moon]

u can play 6 first ig

[frank grove]

its like a coin flip of new people here, what will they do? transphobia or lose their minds in game discussion over losing one run

[hoary moon]

oh wait it aint double pait

[molten thicket]

you can't

[noble mango]

why the fuck that fucking saying fucking thing is fucking fuck fuck like fuck the fuck that what the fuck is fuck even fucking mean

[hoary moon]

it aint that bad gng

[hollow birch]

yeah I don't understand hwo this is a range -- it jsut looks like a set score, they aren't lucky

[quaint stag]

awwwwwww man

this is gore btw

[echo sphinx]

yeah uh

[stone shell]

newbie rng is alot more randomized than balatro seeds

[hoary moon]

holy fuh

[ancient gyro]

what a genius idea to openly state this out to the public

[stone shell]

THIS is content that doesnt run out

[hoary moon]

yea ban him

[noble mango]

like

what the fuck does fuck even fucking mean

[quaint stag]

mods blow up his house

[waxen fable]

intercourse

[noble mango]

ooh

[stone shell]

mods send him to black deck gold stake no econ jokers allowed

[knotty zodiac]

edgelord is gone

[waxen fable]

just casually being open abt being a phobe w

[noble mango]

why are we fucking saying fuck just for it to mean intercourse 💀

[hoary moon]

i thought transphobes were smarter

[noble mango]

what the heck

[raven oracle]

No shame in that

[serene forge]

oxymoron

[waxen fable]

ok

[knotty zodiac]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[waxen fable]

stop being queerphobe! im gonna scare you

[stone shell]

as a trans person it does affect me a little :P

[waxen fable]

raawwrrrr .... raaawr

[echo sphinx]

<@&1133519078540185692> i dont want to be with this jona pls save us

[hoary moon]

yo why is everyone trans

[serene forge]

what a sad life you must have

[noble mango]

nah im hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobic

[stone shell]

because gambling cares not for gender

[hoary moon]

yea

[waxen fable]

im phobesphobic

[stone shell]

it only cares for your time because time is money

[craggy hearth]

first day ragebait

[ancient gyro]

rule 10 moment

[cloud sinew]

with hammers please!

[knotty zodiac]

where's the hammer

[craggy hearth]

do you see him talking

[hoary moon]

is it okay to dislike the idea of being trans but not hate on trans people

[noble mango]

where's the sickle

[echo sphinx]

my eyes are not meant to see what i saw

[serene forge]

transphobia is like modern day flat earthing

[noble shuttle]

No

[cloud sinew]

why did u feel the need to say this

[craggy hearth]

I think you misspoke the point heavily but I get what you mean

[hoary moon]

im looking for feedback from actual trans ppl

[echo sphinx]

u didnt have to say it

yeah.

[noble shuttle]

Me

and

lilo

are trans

look at da pfp

[cloud sinew]

what feedback are you after

[noble shuttle]

Yeah

[waxen fable]

not the thing to say here :emoji9:

[hoary moon]

i asked a question

[stone shell]

1. this probably is meant to be in off topic or server chat atp :P

2. i would say its fine to hate on anything in particular but not those who like/do it

[noble mango]

for me what you need to do is just

don't be trans yourself

and just fucking ignore whatever the fuck other do because it's theirs and not mine
and why the fuck do i care about something that isn't fucking mine

litereally that
mind my own business on stuff

[serene forge]

being trans isn't a choice so no I don't think so

[cloud sinew]

"why is everyone trans"? theyre not

[hoary moon]

yeah im not gonna start

[craggy hearth]

Stay on topic lil jesters

[cloud sinew]

jest in case

[serene forge]

wise decision

[hoary moon]

what is the best econ jonkler

[noble shuttle]

yah it'z not

[noble shuttle]

uhgm

[noble mango]

mime

[noble shuttle]

yes

[serene forge]

rebate

[cloud sinew]

rebate

[ancient gyro]

next question

[frank grove]

rebated

[echo sphinx]

matador, real

[noble shuttle]

mime

[stone shell]

can we ignore rebate for this question

[echo sphinx]

manual my goat

[noble shuttle]

not rebate ;3

[knotty zodiac]

midas

[cloud sinew]

then it's midas

[echo sphinx]

midas

[noble mango]

debate on the rebate . . .

[echo sphinx]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[frank grove]

ignoring rebate, midas

[knotty zodiac]

ok who's #3

[noble shuttle]

itz MIIMEEEE
M

MIME is 1

[ancient gyro]

can we ignore midas for this question

[noble shuttle]

:3

[molten thicket]

yeah prob mime

[serene forge]

vagabond is my favorite economy jonkler

[noble shuttle]

I hate vaga

but i use it

[pale wolf]

midas is scaling

[noble mango]

rebate
midas
mime
to the moon
seed money
money tree
rocket
temperance
hermit

[stone shell]

mime for my singular gold card in my deck ❤️

[echo sphinx]

now this where it gets interesting

[pale wolf]

im back btw

[stone shell]

its perishable so it isnt/j

[ancient gyro]

not really

[noble shuttle]

<3

[echo sphinx]

i dont see a joker being chanted, is #3 that obvious?

[knotty zodiac]

i was working on a tier list

[hoary moon]

midas is so good

[serene forge]

shadow heart reaction

[cloud sinew]

maybe vagabond

[noble mango]

so how do yall rate my tierlist

[ancient gyro]

no, I just took part in too many econ based conversations

[stone shell]

actually how big is the difference from midas to rebate compared to other econ jokers to midas

[knotty zodiac]

i had trading card and vagabond tied with perkeo close behind

[echo sphinx]

om

[noble shuttle]

ANYTHING IS EDIBLE

:3

[echo sphinx]

dna being edible is a take

[stone shell]

wdym the abstract concept of fibonacci numbers ISNT edible

[echo sphinx]

i wouldn't eat pure DNA

[stone shell]

im offended/j

[frank grove]

brainstorm is 100% edible i just dont think i would want to eat someone elses drawn on napkin

[knotty zodiac]

so ya, #3-5 in some order, trading card, vaga, perkeo

[echo sphinx]

but its perfectly edible

[cloud sinew]

you eat DNA all the time

[echo sphinx]

we eat iron all the time

[pale wolf]

vagglebond

[noble mango]

like you can't even put it on yo mouth and eat it

[knotty zodiac]

that's kinda like saying you consume hydrogen all the time

[ancient gyro]

pretty accurate for my list

[lunar zealot]

But we do

[noble mango]

but not literal steel

[stone shell]

-# bump because we're all hungry for jokers

[echo sphinx]

ye
not literal dna either

[noble mango]

but a single dna is edible

[echo sphinx]

so is iron

[knotty zodiac]

well yes, but I don't tell people "I eat carbon" when they ask me what I like to eat

[cloud sinew]

you consume water which has hydrogen, but that's not the same thing

[noble mango]

a single iron is edible

but not the ingot

[lunar zealot]

that's a different thing though no

[noble shuttle]

I'm a certified Campfire simp, anyone else agree with me here?

[pale wolf]

wait holy shit its the list of all time

[echo sphinx]

a single strand is edible, but not slurry that has been separated from like strawberry or smth

[cloud sinew]

it is edible

[ancient gyro]

if I like to die maybe

[echo sphinx]

well yeah but would u

i will hesitate

[noble mango]

anyway
what joker tierlist should i make next

(anything that isn't in game strenght)

[ancient gyro]

the list

[stone shell]

how likely they are to get banned from the balatro server

[frank grove]

do best art tierlist

[pale wolf]

you have marble and stone joker so high woah

[noble shuttle]

This is MY gs tier list I made after getting C++ the other day

[quaint stag]

tactical advantage clearly trans women can like dash or something

[lunar zealot]

i was gonna say something but realized this is a sfw server

[echo sphinx]

if i start describing the dna's flavor and whatnot i may second-guess before eating slurry dna

[quaint stag]

according to a game i played

[echo sphinx]

LOL

[noble mango]

ooh

but most of them are dead
and not alive

[echo sphinx]

we thinking the same thing lol

[pale wolf]

I agree with the top half of the tier list mostly and thats what really matters

[lunar zealot]

i'll dm you cuh

[ancient gyro]

is this actually your first time seeing this

[pale wolf]

yea i think

[ancient gyro]

o

[noble shuttle]

Castle not in s?

Shit list /j

8 ball is THE

Best looking negative

[pale wolf]

4/10 list

[ancient gyro]

oh

[knotty zodiac]

interesting. i have gift card in D (tier 5), it seems bad without tarot gen. what's your take?

[pale wolf]

the negative one

[ancient gyro]

what 🥀

[noble mango]

what's the best negative joker in your opinion

[quaint stag]

cav negative not being higher is a travesty its such a cool looking negative

[noble mango]

mine's chigoat

[hoary moon]

i hate obelisk bc the ppl that play it know something i dont

[noble shuttle]

perkeo

[ancient gyro]

obelisk

[versed sable]

blueprint because it's blueprint :D

[noble shuttle]

absolute banger as a negative

or is it design?

[cloud sinew]

obelisk is one of the worst imo

[lunar zealot]

lilo i thought you were cool why is negative campfire so low

[noble mango]

true it's free copy

[cloud sinew]

it's so ugly

[hoary moon]

blueprint

[ancient gyro]

not all of us can be based

[noble mango]

ominous lookin

[quaint stag]

if its just off art supernova

[hoary moon]

ye bad joker

[lunar zealot]

It looks good silence

[sullen shadow]

so like what do i do here..

[hoary moon]

obelisk is dagger fodder

[ancient gyro]

little inferno

[echo sphinx]

egypt if a victim didn't return the slab

[cloud sinew]

it's too white

[noble shuttle]

I keep getting ignored, i shall leave for nowe

[indigo mesa]

this is a really stupid question, but a rental perishable joker keeps charging the rental after it expires, right?

[lunar zealot]

Truke

[pale wolf]

obelisk with this dark glow is insane

[echo sphinx]

i think seance is pretty fire

[pale wolf]

i love it

[noble mango]

which negative jokers you just "put em there" that give passive boosts without you actively trying to benefit from it (like how obelisk makes you have to actively avoid your most played hand)

[echo sphinx]

honestly i have no idea

it should

[quaint stag]

should be able to edge out a win if you play king high straight with empress on jack and queen

unless im wrong

[indigo mesa]

whaa it doesnt? so it only costs $16 + interest in total?

[hoary moon]

dont gng

[echo sphinx]

uh

[quaint stag]

but the retrigger from chad and dusk should be enough

[echo sphinx]

juggler

[hoary moon]

stay here fr

[indigo mesa]

im not talking about food jokers cus obviously those dont keep charging after they get eaten

[echo sphinx]

jolly sly clever i guess

[knotty zodiac]

it does

[noble mango]

astronaut, juggler, and i forgot maybe nova

[indigo mesa]

then why did someone super react ❌ 😭

[noble shuttle]

WAIT

[cloud sinew]

yes

[noble shuttle]

IT DOES?

[knotty zodiac]

i was confused so i double checked in my head.

[noble mango]

cavendish and g joker actually

[cloud sinew]

misinformation be damned

[ancient gyro]

affects temperance and other consumables permanently and post selling benefits

[noble shuttle]

😭

my bad'

[pale wolf]

yes

[cloud sinew]

dont trust people just bc they have nitro

[lunar zealot]

I REROLLED PAST A CAMPF

[noble mango]

jokr on crack

[lunar zealot]

FUUUUUUUCK

[knotty zodiac]

wait wtf i didnt know this interaction. so all copies of a tarot go up in sell value forever?

[hoary moon]

gift card is goated yo

[sullen shadow]

lol i got to 990k thank you

[noble shuttle]

3:
i-i'm sowwy... i genuinely didn't knoe 3:

[ancient gyro]

the ones you keep before selling

[indigo mesa]

discord kept charging me for nitro until finally this time i cancelled it so take that hehe

[quaint stag]

no worries ^^

[echo sphinx]

o sh

[noble mango]

you rolled too fast
and got so far
in the end
it doesn't even matter

[indigo mesa]

youre good 😭

[cloud sinew]

the ones you have in your slots gain value until you sell them

[echo sphinx]

do i take

[noble shuttle]

yes

[indigo mesa]

i shouldnt have taken the negative tag this is so stupid

[echo sphinx]

if i take

[noble shuttle]

sell mp

[echo sphinx]

i dont get luchador gold sticker

[noble shuttle]

misprin

[pale wolf]

swashbuckler should count consumable sell value too

[shell dagger]

sticker

[echo sphinx]

and if i sell mp i dont get the mp sticker either

[noble shuttle]

wait

oh

i didn't see

for c==

C++*

[indigo mesa]

jolly will be temperance value and sly will be… sticker value

[noble shuttle]

uhm

[pale wolf]

that's the booty

[shell dagger]

you can sell burger

ig

[noble shuttle]

i'd sell BP

[shell dagger]

3x bbc still good

[hoary moon]

both chad and baseball

[noble shuttle]

Cause BP on pants is 2x but sell BP and grab BB is more than 2x

[weak relic]

Lol

[shell dagger]

he’s def not blueprinting pants

[noble shuttle]

right-

imn

[knotty zodiac]

that perkeo swash synergy 🔥

[noble shuttle]

dumb

[echo sphinx]

for who lol

[knotty zodiac]

perkeo swash gift card

[noble shuttle]

ye imz dumb lol

[hoary moon]

its kinda obvious

[noble shuttle]

whoopsies

[echo sphinx]

fym its obvious

im doing c++

[noble shuttle]

if it was they wouldn't be questioning]

[cloud sinew]

i dont take anything here as youre going for stickers

[hoary moon]

misprint and luchador

[noble shuttle]

Stickers derp

[echo sphinx]

no

[hoary moon]

ohhh stickers

smh

[pale sluice]

I’ve been starving lovalthunk you need to make a merch page
let me give you more money 🥺

[pale wolf]

lol

[hoary moon]

i mean depends on the run

[cloud sinew]

there is a merch page

https://merch.playstack.com/collections/balatro

[noble shuttle]

stikrs ;3

[pale sluice]

I was not aware.

[cloud sinew]

theres also a fangamer store https://www.fangamer.com/collections/balatro

[echo sphinx]

wdym depends bro

[hoary moon]

if ur pulling through

[knotty zodiac]

someone told me the cards are OOS, is that also misinfo

[hoary moon]

then dont touch

[noble shuttle]

If they're getting no stickers then what's the point of the run?

[hoary moon]

if he can hold Up till ante 8

[noble shuttle]

Don't sell stickers

[cloud sinew]

depends on your region iirc, theyre not out of stock for me

[noble shuttle]

My whole thing was "if I'm not getting any stickers then don't do it"
What's the point with no stickers

So I usually try to survive without it

and I usually do

[knotty zodiac]

wins without stickers feel less good but they still feel good

[pale sluice]

nevermind Hank you local thunk

[noble shuttle]

eh, i was just only goin for C++

[cloud sinew]

i am very happy with the merch that I have

[red sparrow]

3 of the stupidest tarot

[knotty zodiac]

sure ya everyone's different

[noble shuttle]

Fair :3

[noble shuttle]

Hey 3:< Diamonds are great

it gives money

[pale wolf]

thunk should make stake stickers irl and sell them

[red sparrow]

I haven’t unlocked that joker

[noble shuttle]

C++ made realise Rough Gem is High C low b

[red sparrow]

And the orange is dumb

[hoary moon]

yessir

[noble shuttle]

what orange?

[pale wolf]

the proper term is annoying

[noble shuttle]

im so confused

😭

[noble shuttle]

what is orange

[ancient gyro]

annoying

[noble shuttle]

oh

[gaunt burrow]

67

[noble shuttle]

annoying orange

[gaunt burrow]

6 more joker

[echo sphinx]

guys i took eternal rental dusk

[noble shuttle]

better get phtochad

[pale wolf]

yea showman is so good it lets you get nothing instead of value!

[noble shuttle]

or trib

[echo sphinx]

lets get stickering

[noble shuttle]

nice ;3

[pale wolf]

orangutan

[ancient gyro]

no I wore sunscreen today

[echo sphinx]

mm

[noble shuttle]

localthunk i love plushies please make one

[pale wolf]

make one

[knotty zodiac]

wanna race to c++? im at 98/150 on a random anything-goes-but-mostly-pairless profile

[pale wolf]

you make one you're the one that loves them

[noble shuttle]

I win ;3

[echo sphinx]

sure

[noble shuttle]

I got it two days ago

/j

[echo sphinx]

tho ill just play at my own pace usually

[tranquil oasis]

I love this game

[echo sphinx]

just talking to chat

[floral mural]

god i haven't had the motivation to play balatro again in a while now

[noble shuttle]

b-but- i has no skills

[tranquil oasis]

don’t ask why perkeo is here

[knotty zodiac]

ya im not planning to change my play style. play slow, try to win every run

[tranquil oasis]

also

I don’t know why I responded to that

[lunar zealot]

I've been playing deadlock

[echo sphinx]

is ok

actually

whats perkeo copying

[ancient gyro]

is it worth playing casually

[pallid galleon]

people dream of this stuff

[lunar zealot]

Street brawl exists now

[floral mural]

recently im in kirby air riders and stuff like dicey dungeons

[lunar zealot]

4v4 all mid

[noble shuttle]

the plant shivers when it sees me

[lunar zealot]

much better for casuals

[floral mural]

got back to it on phone since i was bored

[ancient gyro]

ive played zero fps games btw

[pale wolf]

do you think thunk thanked thonk ever

[lunar zealot]

Fucking newgen

[ancient gyro]

im older than you

[noble shuttle]

meany 3:

[floral mural]

id love to play a shooter but the one i liked is basically dead (rip garden warfare 2)

[ancient gyro]

financially at least

[pale wolf]

financially older

[lunar zealot]

When i opened your profile i got flashbanged by your nitro effects

[pale wolf]

😭

[noble shuttle]

Nah, I bought those with orbs

also

My upgraded nitro profile

is a flashbang

[floral mural]

every single nitro effect but the stupid bio covering animations im fine with

[pale wolf]

my profile js the best prolfile

[lunar zealot]

Ohhhh if only someone would buy me nitrooo

im just a girl

[floral mural]

if i wanna read a bio dont shove a stupid gif in the way

[ancient gyro]

i mean

[noble shuttle]

is mine good?

[pale wolf]

i dont have nitro rn either

[lunar zealot]

i am joking, andolth

You sit back down like a good boy

[ancient gyro]

:/

[noble shuttle]

me too but i had to buy mine

[knotty zodiac]

we're all trying to earn nitro from @ancient gyro

[floral mural]

it covers much less but i still dont like those too much anyways

[pale wolf]

usually it gets bought for me bc im so cute

[lunar zealot]

i've never bought nitro a day in my life

[echo sphinx]

oneshot

lets friggin go

two stickers

[lunar zealot]

they were all gifts

[weak relic]

Nitro so overrated

Always have been

[lunar zealot]

I spy a baseball card

[noble shuttle]

Nah, I like being able to spam emojis from other servers

[ancient gyro]

ive only bought them for other ppl and winning them from tournaments lol

[noble shuttle]

[floral mural]

dude i always think of how cool nitro would be and whenever there is a free trial period i use exactly zero features

[echo sphinx]

yep, goated

[weak relic]

(based)ball card

[pale wolf]

i have bought other people nitro probably about the same as ive been given

[indigo mesa]

“here, win”

[noble shuttle]

uhm

[knotty zodiac]

it scales

[echo sphinx]

lol

i would take

[indigo mesa]

whoops

[pallid galleon]

better barren than pregnant

[noble shuttle]

I would not

[floral mural]

take for sticker smh

thats about the only reason to take baron gold stake

[gaunt burrow]

i dont know if i have done those 2 or not

[noble shuttle]

Strush didn't hold ye up this time ;3

[floral mural]

and even then not early

[indigo mesa]

blue stake 😔

[ancient gyro]

they were just being nice

[ocean plover]

run looking good? (i have observatory btw)

[noble shuttle]

I have no issues with blue stake ITS PURPLE STAKE

[echo sphinx]

speculative mime

[pale wolf]

so nice

[floral mural]

ah yes a deck sleeve i dont knkw the deck of

[indigo mesa]

what the blind scaling has never been a problem for me its blue stake and bosses like the eye 😭

[echo sphinx]

mime onyx is like potential run winner

[ancient gyro]

i remember getting 3 months just for answering a question in vc on a random server

[ocean plover]

i have no steels

[pale wolf]

lmfao

[ocean plover]

so i aint takin

[noble shuttle]

"It's because you play pairs" no I got 13/15 GS without pairs

[echo sphinx]

but what if you take a steel later

or devil

or smsh

[floral mural]

also playing pairs isnt a bad thing to do

[gaunt burrow]

you will get some latter

[floral mural]

dont blame the player for using a tactic to win blame the game

[noble shuttle]

Yeah

But

I discovered pairs at 13/15 GS

[gaunt burrow]

blue seal , gold, baron , shoot the moon even

[noble shuttle]

lolz

[floral mural]

the games biggest issue right now on gold stake is that the most reliable strat is pairs once you find it

[cloud sinew]

BU won gold stake black deck without jokers. winning without something isnt the important part, it's how often youre actually able to do it

[floral mural]

if the game made every strat have its time to shine i think thatd be fun

thats all

[ancient gyro]

im still discovering

[cloud sinew]

more variety is definitely something i expect in 1.1

[echo sphinx]

pairless c++ 🔥

[lunar zealot]

on EVERYONE'S soul balatro 1.1 on june 7 2026

[noble shuttle]

wjat

[floral mural]

just the potential blue stake rework and more jokers oriented for big hands would already shift the meta from a lot of pairs

[ancient gyro]

not sure how that will work with the abundance of pair jokers

currently

and boss blinds

[lunar zealot]

Nerf hologram 🗿

[floral mural]

im advocating for a bigger pool of jokers not making pair have less jokers

[stone shell]

i think the problem isnt that pairs are the best build but just how much more dominant it is compared to other builds :P

forgot to reply oop

[ocean plover]

is this sell the golden take sly?

[cloud sinew]

BU's blue stake rework idea would be a very good start

[echo sphinx]

blue stake rework mmmmmmmm

[lunar zealot]

Well you have 4 dollars

[cloud sinew]

sell troub take jolly

[ancient gyro]

i don't watch him anymore

[stone shell]

forgot what that is what did he suggest?

[noble shuttle]

"A joker's rarity should not be based on synergies, instead, it should be based on how good the joker itself is"

• A wise redditor i forgot their name lolz

[stone shell]

extra reroll cost?

[cloud sinew]

-1 discard -> +1 discard -1 hand

[ocean plover]

aight

[floral mural]

every game has a best build. usually most roguelikes give you struggle for forcing that build every time

[cloud sinew]

so you would have 4 discards at base and 3 hands

[ancient gyro]

wait I suggested that

[stone shell]

ahh

[noble shuttle]

That makes black worse

[stone shell]

poor black deck-ish though

[ancient gyro]

black can be -1 discard

[stone shell]

maybe black deck needs a overhaul in general though for the drawback

[floral mural]

i just had a really dumb idea for blue stake

[noble shuttle]

No discards on gold stake?

[floral mural]

it changes per deck to challange that deck

[ancient gyro]

and you can alter certain downsides like ouija being -1 discard instead

[ancient gyro]

it will still have more than what we have currently

[floral mural]

blue deck getting 6 hands but no discards while red gets only 2 and a massive 6 discards or something for example

[stone shell]

proposed rework would give blackdeck 3 discards on gold stake

[ocean plover]

omfg violet ante 8

[stone shell]

assuming it goes with BU's bluestake rework

[knotty zodiac]

gl

[cloud sinew]

black would be 3 hands 3 discards, it's 3 hands 2 discards now.

[ancient gyro]

ive played a lot of black++ for streaking and low rolling to know 3 hands 4 discards would be a nice starting default with additional changes

[gaunt burrow]

i would like a green deck , where you have negative interest

[noble shuttle]

I was talkin with the bluestake discard loss thingy

maybe i math'd wrong

[echo sphinx]

rental deck

[cloud sinew]

do you mean if black deck was -1 discard with current blue stake?

it would still be 1 discard

[ancient gyro]

problem would be more towards the casual player base but we will see about new changes following that

[noble shuttle]

just-

ignore me

i math'd wrong

[ancient gyro]

should heiro and petro gimmicks switch then

[knotty zodiac]

the casual player base likes flushes ya? so long as they can still highroll c+ with flushes i think its fine

plus the change probably makes room for some other buffs

[cloud sinew]

yes

[echo sphinx]

could work

[cloud sinew]

ive suggested this before

[ancient gyro]

flush will have to have some new form of scoring gimmick for how shit they scale and lack of fine joker compatibility

[gaunt burrow]

blue deck rework could have rental and perishable add to cards

[stone shell]

i guess flushes are fine as is with retrigger builds but like

meh

[cloud sinew]

"cards"? as in consumables and playing cards or what

[floral mural]

just more chip scaling could do well for flushes i think

[spare carbon]

Yes

[floral mural]

blue deck isnt a problem

[noble shuttle]

Look- I know checkr'd deck exists- but flushes need buffs.

[floral mural]

having decks be easier or harder is fine imo

decks being boring as sin (nebula deck) is the problem

[ancient gyro]

i like to see a utility poker hand where it's precisely support such as superpos but for flushes

[cloud sinew]

what

[knotty zodiac]

smeared..?

[ancient gyro]

well

more of that

[noble shuttle]

"Flushes and straights can be made with 3 cards"

• rare

[echo sphinx]

the other place that can be adjusted is the planet overstock/magic trick

[gaunt burrow]

both would be good

[cloud sinew]

flushes need a chips buff

[stone shell]

four fingers in shambles

[noble shuttle]

it needs a somethn buff

[echo sphinx]

they're so bad outside of two jokers

[noble shuttle]

i forgot about that

[knotty zodiac]

+20/+2?

[noble shuttle]

my point is-

[cloud sinew]

or even current earth scaling

[noble shuttle]

3oak should NOT scale higher than flush

but it does

[floral mural]

fun fact in kirby air riders a similarly named nebula belt also is boring as fucj

[ancient gyro]

they'll prob need earth scaling with 3 hands

[gaunt burrow]

doesnt overstock fine alr

[stone shell]

planet merchant and tycoon i think

[echo sphinx]

they block tarots and jokers (that are valued more)

[knotty zodiac]

so everything moves up? straights/strushes too?

[ancient gyro]

and earth being idk 3 mult

[stone shell]

as in 2x and 4x planets

[floral mural]

magic trick just needs seals to be possible and its worth

im being for real

[noble shuttle]

"This joker gives one more shop slot"

• Uncommon

[ancient gyro]

straights are pretty powerful idk if it needs planet changes

[zinc sigil]

Both are good no?

[stone shell]

wait were seals never available with illusion

[noble shuttle]

I'd take green

[zinc sigil]

Is there anything you always want to hex

[stone shell]

green is a much simpler win

[cloud sinew]

magic trick should add a slot to the shop that only contains playing cards, and illusion should have it's bugs fixed

[zinc sigil]

Scaling , setup

[knotty zodiac]

the point i think is to maintain that straights scale better than flushes. bc otherwise there's no incentive to play straights unless you find util

[gaunt burrow]

what?

[floral mural]

pretty sure not but also WE DONT NEED MORE TIER 2 VOUCHER GAMBAS

[cloud sinew]

nope, illusion cant make seals

[floral mural]

holy shit blank is so bad

[ancient gyro]

they still do after these changes

[frail brook]

Depending on the deck and jokers ya got

[floral mural]

i dont care about antimatter

[stone shell]

that actually sucks

[frail brook]

The first one is good either way

[floral mural]

blank is so bad

[ancient gyro]

grimbo
hold hex until next joker purchase

[echo sphinx]

whats the bug, curious now

[zinc sigil]

Buddy its ante 1 round 1

[gaunt burrow]

isnt 1 more shopping slot good?

[frail brook]

Grab the one with the most mult

[cloud sinew]

there are two;
illusion can't give cards that have seals
illusion is unaffected by hone and glow up

[knotty zodiac]

you said earth scaling right? you think +25/+2 is distinguished enough from +30/+3?

[zinc sigil]

Whats ur thought process doesnt that kill one joker

[gaunt burrow]

thats suck

[stone shell]

i think illusion in general should be tier 1 and the second tier guarantees at least one card modification

[echo sphinx]

bruh

[stone shell]

idk im not the expert though

[ancient gyro]

sometimes you can't afford the second joker without selling hex

[zinc sigil]

I see

[ancient gyro]

also wins too fast depending on what you draw on the 3rd hand

[zinc sigil]

Okay

[ancient gyro]

and I don't want another hc situation

cause yk

[stone shell]

me ripping hex just because i dont want to think too much abt it:

[frail brook]

Also one question

[zinc sigil]

I love hc …

[frail brook]

Is it normal for the jokers give mult by different suits?

[knotty zodiac]

ya the game is much more interesting if the individual playing cards matter more instead of being pair/hc fodder

[ancient gyro]

as in you don't have an obelisk or rtb situation

[frail brook]

Like, sometimes the greedy joker just gives mult because of the spades

[zinc sigil]

Ahahhah

Lets not

[ancient gyro]

which will be more common as you win more games

[gaunt burrow]

must be a wild card or smt

[stone shell]

smeared or wild cards?

[cloud sinew]

wild card

[gaunt burrow]

smeared ?

[zinc sigil]

So hex and take no

[frail brook]

Yeah ik but non of them are

Non of the cards are wild cards

[cloud sinew]

are you playing vanilla

[frail brook]

Yeah

[zinc sigil]

Buscrasher my fav how r u