🕹・game-discussion

[echo sphinx]

does he go like

MM BRAINSTORM

MMMM BARONMIME

YEAHHH LETS NANEINF

[brave goblet]

no those are his viewers

[echo sphinx]

oh

[brave goblet]

fr

sadly doc is out of town rn

[fringe nebula]

I thought dagger is a bad joker because of roffle

ooooh how wrong that was

[echo sphinx]

ouch

wait wdym

[brave goblet]

a lot of beginners think dagger is a bad joker cause it eats a joker

[echo sphinx]

oh roffle

i read that as riffraff and got confused lol

[brave goblet]

lmfao

roffle doesn't take dagger in lots of runs cause he dislikes it

[echo sphinx]

i thought dagger is like red card

[brave goblet]

it's faster than red card

[fringe nebula]

really

[echo sphinx]

sometimes

[brave goblet]

Maybe

[fringe nebula]

well, can be

[echo sphinx]

usually not

[brave goblet]

My daggers are usually WAY bigger than my red cards

[echo sphinx]

cuz double sell value doesn't give back that 0.5

[fringe nebula]

ah right

[echo sphinx]

odd value dagger is illegal screenshot

[fringe nebula]

you're forced to stop feeding the dagger once you find complete setup

[gentle basalt]

then you skip too little
red card is usually like 80-100
daggers are usually 60-80 (unless really big egg)

[brave goblet]

60-80 dagger is pitiful

[fringe nebula]

I can see red card being bigger now

[echo sphinx]

for me i see two cake

[brave goblet]

80-100 red card meanwhile is alarming cause it sounds like you're skipping even stuff you should take anyway

stats should be the opposite

[echo sphinx]

dagger and red card do same thing and need same stuff

[brave goblet]

No

[fringe nebula]

dagger has a better conversion though

$4 for +4 mult is nice

[gentle basalt]

i think the dagger conversion is fake

you need to factor in reroll costs for finding these jokers

[fringe nebula]

sometimes you get bad shops and rerolls ye

[gentle basalt]

because often they are rental/eternal/odd

[echo sphinx]

just take the odd bro

[brave goblet]

You don't need to buy a rare joker for the dagger, any common will do

[gentle basalt]

still great conversion, better than bootstraps for sure

[echo sphinx]

buttery lobster argument

and rental is like
id take by default

[fringe nebula]

I guess in a bad situation you can buy a rental for $1 and turn it into +2 mult

[gentle basalt]

ofcourse, but 1$ for 1 mult is just fake

[echo sphinx]

cuz if i dont see a high value joker i can just feed the rental into the dagger

[echo sphinx]

$1 for 2 mult

[fringe nebula]

there are also some jokers that costs $5 and $7

they give +4 and +6 mult

[marsh swan]

Free win once i got stm

[fringe nebula]

so you did blue seal cryptid

instead of purple seal cryptid

[marsh swan]

Yeah because i wanted to win

[fringe nebula]

understandable tho

I think purple seal cryptid can also win you the game especially on painted deck

it's so easy to use a death on a purple seal that will give you death, so you can get another death to use on purple seal

[patent sail]

oh hi doc

[echo sphinx]

lol

[turbid lily]

What are you picking here ?

[patent sail]

doc came to me, he is gonna save the run

[patent sail]

opening packs and going next icl

what hand we playing

[pastel fossil]

i did a run

[turbid lily]

House or whatever

[echo sphinx]

skip lol

[patent sail]

that 2pair joker seems reasonable maybe but like ehhhh

is walkie talkie doing anythinh

[echo sphinx]

could be taken for poly value ig

[turbid lily]

Alright

[turbid lily]

It is actually goated

[patent sail]

yeah thats why im thinkinh

[echo sphinx]

so he could replace walkie for that jojer

[patent sail]

id open packs and go next

[turbid lily]

💯

[patent sail]

killing marble joker for cert what we thinking 🔥🐎

[echo sphinx]

why not both

speculative hologram value

[patent sail]

well what do i kill for cert then

[vocal rose]

yes

bc cert is a good joker

and marble isnt

[echo sphinx]

im gonna be real honest im not seeing any screenshot

[patent sail]

having both would be cool but who goes then, blue jonkler?

[patent sail]

was in the process of sending one

[echo sphinx]

blue jonkler

MORE HOLOGRAM MMMMM

[patent sail]

holo eating good tonight

[echo sphinx]

there should be a rare that adds lots of editions to playing cards

[patent sail]

games tryna tempt me with baron again

not this run

[misty wraith]

the vouchers hieroglyph is good for naneinf ?

[vale shale]

Had to skip or else chad dies

[patent sail]

listen, baron is in fact horrible for ante 8

but he is very fun if you do get him to work (a huge fucking IF)

[patent sail]

i guess so yeah, sometimes you just REALLY need to buy that extra ante of prep time

[vale shale]

I have a funny story with baron. I usually never pick it up because I'm an ante 8 type of person but in my case I had to pick it up or I would lose. The run ended up being my best run in terms of endless

Gold stake btw

[echo sphinx]

true

[patent sail]

after getting several ante 8 baron runs ive grown to like him a bit more

[echo sphinx]

(listen i was stupid as hell dont judge)

[patent sail]

he is still a bitch and gets annihilated by hook though

[cloud sinew]

and plant and needle and water and leaf...

[echo sphinx]

mhm

[green apex]

water isnt that bad if you got a fixed deck but yeah can still be annoying

[echo sphinx]

me when a joker isnt immune to everything

[patent sail]

water ehhh not as bad, but the rest are

[green apex]

needle isnt that bad for the same reason

[patent sail]

also leaf not that scary

[echo sphinx]

pairslop is bad becausr crimson heart counters it

[patent sail]

but yeah plant and needle are in fact very scary

[cloud sinew]

water is -10+ cards seen, needle is -15+ cards seen and you need to score more per hand than you would otherwise need to

[patent sail]

imo needle is way scarier than water

[fringe nebula]

ante 4 needle

or ante 5

[echo sphinx]

if a baron run loses to water its either draw issue or skill issue

[glossy parrot]

Fight the water but its the water.... yea makes sense

[green apex]

legendary gold sticker is nice still

[echo sphinx]

a stacking xmult can only lose if the playing card gets disabled

@cloud sinew now prove that its absolute garbage

[cloud sinew]

why

[echo sphinx]

cuz u sed its bad and i dont believe it

[woven remnant]

I got canio from soul like three times this day

[echo sphinx]

i mean
i know its bad. cuz it probably is. like i used it and won a few times. but i dont believe it

[cloud sinew]

???

if you don't believe it then you don't "know" that it's bad

[fringe nebula]

oh

[echo sphinx]

i dont have baron seed

[echo sphinx]

prove it or im raising baron up a tier

[patent sail]

is it still baron discussion

[fringe nebula]

what happened again?

[patent sail]

baron

[echo sphinx]

its sitting at the bottom of the barrel with like. dusk rn

[cloud sinew]

i do not care twin

[echo sphinx]

baron discussion

[cloud sinew]

do what you like

[echo sphinx]

yayyy

also considering moving troubadour up

still lots of sleeper picks despite 150 wins

[patent sail]

troub isnt bad

i like it

[woven remnant]

.

[echo sphinx]

and space joker is a bit of a fraud

so im thinking of moving it down

[fringe nebula]

jolly joker in A is so based

[cloud sinew]

i dont like your tierlist at all

[echo sphinx]

dont worry it can become worse

[cloud sinew]

90% of jokers being B+ is just deranged

your tierlist is nonsensical

[woven remnant]

ok banner is decent in plasma

[echo sphinx]

where is fist

actually yeah where is fist

[fringe nebula]

I don't think banner is bad

[echo sphinx]

oh i found it

[echo sphinx]

lol

there are some weirdge stuff yeah cuz i only changed baron

[fringe nebula]

ok baron A+ is funny

[echo sphinx]

still havent tried flowerpot gosh i need the console to test

[woven remnant]

stencil is better than baron I think

my biggest protest is stencil and banner

[echo sphinx]

stencil costs joker slots so im not sure abt raising its placement

[woven remnant]

good in early game

[turbid lily]

Why did it auto delete ?

[fringe nebula]

60 chips isn't good but chips is chips

[woven remnant]

cant be worse than common chip and mult jokers

[echo sphinx]

early game
xmult good in early game is diabolical

[pallid galleon]

stencil goated

[fringe nebula]

not really

in stencil's case

[fringe nebula]

x5 mult at ante 1

[woven remnant]

yeah

[echo sphinx]

ok if its literally the first joker then yes
and in a buffoon pack

[turbid lily]

Need base mult

[fringe nebula]

also, stencil costs $8, so you can sell it for $4 in case if you get it at first shop

[woven remnant]

and it can be actually utilised with negs and different decks like black deck

[fringe nebula]

well

[woven remnant]

I am not saying its a carrier

[fringe nebula]

I guess stencil is a very expensive joker

[echo sphinx]

we jumping through multiple loopholes just to justify using it early

how about later antes

[fringe nebula]

yeah

[echo sphinx]

if its in a joker pack
if its not rental
if its not eternal
if playing yellow or its in the second shop and if a joker pack shows up there

[woven remnant]

It doesnt have to be used in later antes to be good

[fringe nebula]

you know something that's better than early stencil? it's called raised fist

[echo sphinx]

it kinda has to be used in later antes cuz the value of xmult increases with +mult

if its used early then like. $4 sell value after jumping through multiple loopholes is not A tier material or even B

[fringe nebula]

stencil c

for me

[woven remnant]

OK

but worse than

throwback?

joker that synergises with the most flawed game mechanic

[echo sphinx]

throwback is a sleeper pick even tho its still bad in most situations

[fringe nebula]

now that you mention it

where is throwback

[echo sphinx]

good question

oh its in B

[woven remnant]

yeah

[patent sail]

do i kill marble for order

[echo sphinx]

there are some skips worth taking even later cuz later shops are kinda just. planets and tarots most of the time

[woven remnant]

not worth taking up a joker slot for 1.25 or 1.5

[echo sphinx]

if there's a decent build alraedy on the table, throwback is a viable pick

[woven remnant]

only good use of it is some joker unlocks that requires tons of skips

[shell dagger]

yes

[patent sail]

hell yea

[shell dagger]

marble isn’t gonna give 80 more cards

[shell dagger]

and that’s not even considering additional cards from cert or standard packs

[woven remnant]

it just is not better than stencil or banner that is all I am gonna say before squashing the beef

[woven remnant]

I can post you my stencil dagger build like if that is gonna change your opinion

[fringe nebula]

if there's a decent build already on the table, throwback is viable what?

[echo sphinx]

you should do that lol

[echo sphinx]

MM 8BALL

[cloud sinew]

you shouldnt be using single anecdotes to justify your opinions

[echo sphinx]

what is bro doing lol

[cloud sinew]

I am going to be doing gsg attempts today

[echo sphinx]

is there a screenshot of stencil where we can say "yeah stencil is putting work there"

[fringe nebula]

yes

[echo sphinx]

@woven remnant pic

lemme see that juicy x4 mult dagger stencil

[woven remnant]

couldnt find it

[echo sphinx]

rip

[fringe nebula]

300k at ante 5 boss blind, but I had to take more jokers at lategame because of crimson heart

[echo sphinx]

is ok i still believe

[woven remnant]

it was a lower stake single dagger and stencil

[echo sphinx]

holy shit ankh stencil

[woven remnant]

maybe black or green stake

[echo sphinx]

sleeper pick on ghost :thonk:

[woven remnant]

it can be end game material although it is niche

copying stencils

[fringe nebula]

I also had blueprint burnt stencil run before

[echo sphinx]

if stencil gets copied it feels a bit won
esp when repeatedly copied with ankh ankh

9x mult cuz why not

[woven remnant]

yeah

[echo sphinx]

wait no

27x

feels as rare as carry throwback

ok ill consider moving them around

[cloud sinew]

each stencil is x4 there

[woven remnant]

thank you

[echo sphinx]

for now stencil joins throwback

[woven remnant]

I am not happy with throwback still but I can get behind that

[fringe nebula]

your tierlist is based on how much you pick them for both early and lategame right?

if i remember correctly

[echo sphinx]

honest to god i dont know

if it was based on pick rate then chad is #1

[fringe nebula]

nope

riff raff #1

[cloud sinew]

it really shouldnt be

[echo sphinx]

cuz stats says i picked it the most

[echo sphinx]

TRUE

[shell dagger]

but you never buy riffraff after ante 5

[cloud sinew]

that's rounds, not times youve picked it

[cloud sinew]

jokers you are more likely to keep around are favoured by "rounds kept"

[woven remnant]

maybe with campfire

[shell dagger]

yeah to sell straight after

goes for every non eternal

[cloud sinew]

even if you took bean every time it showed up, you would still struggle to get it in the top 10

[echo sphinx]

fair

[shell dagger]

highest pick rate is something like blackboard or blueprint

or it should be imo

[cloud sinew]

rebate

[echo sphinx]

rebate

mmm

[shell dagger]

rebate is a similar window

[echo sphinx]

my mobile save is so cooked lol

[cloud sinew]

how fitting

[shell dagger]

real

[echo sphinx]

oh fric

IT WAS ORANGE????

[shell dagger]

im not picking rebate in ante 8, but id pick blackboard in ante 1

[cloud sinew]

peak

this'll be 4/15

[shell dagger]

the dreaded black deck

unless you’re not going in order

[cloud sinew]

:(

[echo sphinx]

holy shit that lineup is super staqcked

[cloud sinew]

I am

[echo sphinx]

i should try black deck

last words

[cloud sinew]

4/15 :(

black deck next

[echo sphinx]

is ok

you'll stomp it

trust

[cloud sinew]

it's tough

I will leave it for later

[echo sphinx]

holy shit

diabolical first shop

[shell dagger]

mmpfh

[echo sphinx]

i could try gold staking it

my god i keep forgetting black deck is 6 jokers

[shell dagger]

aj poop

[echo sphinx]

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

YORICK LETSGO

(guaranteed)

[lunar zealot]

ez

i spy a negative skip tag

why

[echo sphinx]

u have to gamble

eh

[echo sphinx]

for the temperance value

i love me some egg n gift card

[stark karma]

Skipping for a negative tag on goldstake on black deck

[echo sphinx]

yes

[woven remnant]

wow

with the yorick

[vocal rose]

with yorick

[echo sphinx]

he is DIE

[echo sphinx]

i cant say that lol

[stark karma]

U will die ToT

[echo sphinx]

NO

NO DIE

[dusty void]

Fuck grimbo

I hate grimbo sm

[dusty void]

Well good to know I have an opp

[woven remnant]

Grimbo is my autowin joker

[dusty void]

Grimbo is my wasted shop slot

[woven remnant]

what is your go to then

[dusty void]

I would use flower pot over grimbo

[woven remnant]

naaaaaah

[dusty void]

Ride the bus or spare trousers

[woven remnant]

that makes us uneasy allies rather than opps

[dusty void]

Hmm

That's fair

[pale wolf]

when they realize you can still discard with grimbo

[vocal rose]

bro hates winning

[dusty void]

No, I hate grimbo

[dusty void]

It's not that it's ass

It's that it's BORING

IT'S SO FUCKING BORING

[woven remnant]

maybe grimbo drops down at ranking for me if localthunk reworks -1 discard in future uptades

[echo sphinx]

cant argue with that

[pale wolf]

pants is less effort

[cloud sinew]

blue stake is being reworked

we just don't know what to

but it will not be -1 discards

[echo sphinx]

HOLY SHIT

[pale wolf]

it's a high likelihood

[vocal rose]

true

[echo sphinx]

pray its not "under new management" type stuff

[woven remnant]

eh

good point

[pale wolf]

i don't find rtb or nova any more exciting tbh

[woven remnant]

some yt channel has a recommendation making gold stake winnable on ante 8

[molten thicket]

they aren't

[woven remnant]

which I hope that doesnt happen

[echo sphinx]

phew

[molten thicket]

all of them are pretty boring

[echo sphinx]

THE GREED GREEDS ON

[woven remnant]

nova is maybe the worst scale mult for me

[woven remnant]

I can bring myself to play black deck willingly after finishing the gold stake with it

ok does gold stake prioritises giving legendaries with no gold sticker or any sticker

[echo sphinx]

priotity no gold sticker

[pale wolf]

no gold

[echo sphinx]

thats why earlier i said yorick is guaranteed

[pale wolf]

it gives you seeds where the first legendary does not have a gold sticker if possible

[echo sphinx]

oh wot

[woven remnant]

then thats weird getting canio 3 consecutive times on gold stake

[echo sphinx]

not overrides?

[pale wolf]

The game filters the seed for you, every seed is replayable exactly as you first played it as long as you unlock everything

[echo sphinx]

would that mean The Soul gets less common as more legendaries get stickered

[pale wolf]

no

it doesn't guarantee that there is a soul

[echo sphinx]

i feel like i know nothing

[pale wolf]

look at the wiki page for it

[patent sail]

balatro is actually based on a true story where a man named Jimbo John Klerr won e308 dollars in poker by asking his friend Baronne Mime to give him blueprints of the casino building, as well as helping him brainstorm the plan of replacing all decks with ones of entirely steel kings

[woven remnant]

hope the game does not get a clash royale treatment by adding bunch of more legendaries

[echo sphinx]

lol theres no way god will add microtransactions to purchase your very own Yorick

[pale wolf]

they'll save that for the Chinese version of balatro

[patent sail]

seasonal summer beach skins for all jokers in a battlepass

[echo sphinx]

5 stickers

this is gonna be crazy progression if win

and it wasnt even planned

[eager summit]

leaf time

[echo sphinx]

i just picked it up cuz "hmm what if i black decked"

lol leaf will kill me

crimson heart is also a bit rng

[eager summit]

atleast with heart you have 3 jokers you might not use

[echo sphinx]

fair

if it hits one of the 4 to the left then its autowin

OR I CAN BUY A DIRECTOR

[static fern]

yo chat, is this it?

[echo sphinx]

this has to be the biggest balatro rabbit hole test ive ever seen

idk

what is that

[static fern]

24 Arcana Packs

[echo sphinx]

breh

[pale wolf]

That does not say

[echo sphinx]

or its this guy @eager summit

lol actually free

[pale wolf]

I can't tell if The showdown bosses need to be more threatening or if they are fine as is

[echo sphinx]

threatening showdown bosses is fine if the player is given more time for it

[foggy pond]

Funny combo. Midas and Vampire

[pale wolf]

do you want multiples of eight to have more than three blinds

[echo sphinx]

cuz it can be difficult at times to pivot out of whatever build that gets cooked by the blind

[ancient gyro]

endless is now locked behind an iap

[echo sphinx]

and u accept death

[pale wolf]

Would balatro be better for it? probably

🦓

[ancient gyro]

they know what they're doing

[ancient gyro]

i think 3 threatening finisher blinds would be a nice sweet spot

[echo sphinx]

FIVE STICKERS

ok i switch back

KRTW36UU seedo

wait its atually 6

cuz the arrowead is orange

[toxic lily]

What do I do here?

[eager summit]

i love that when all my mult comes from my jokers

[echo sphinx]

hes so free lol

aj seltzer dont care

[toxic lily]

Yo...

[echo sphinx]

god knows

[proven oyster]

skip

[echo sphinx]

idk skip ig

[proven oyster]

getting wraith and ecto is bad in early

[jolly relic]

sell everything but bloodstone then ecto

[eager summit]

i don't see a reason for 3 econ jokers, you can probably get rid of 1 and be fine with the wraith

[proven oyster]

also try to reshuffle your deck into hearts then find a oops all six

[echo sphinx]

acorn should reshuffle and apply Pinned to the jokers

suddenly acorn is top threat joker

[toxic lily]

I got rid of business card, used wraith, and it gave me an invisible

[echo sphinx]

(and remove the flip part to compensate)

[eager summit]

yay

[echo sphinx]

LETSGOGAMBLING

[woven remnant]

I just realised some of the spectrals are just mutated version of tarots

[proven oyster]

remove your econ jokers and copy bloodstone

[toxic lily]

I will

[jolly relic]

destroy buzz lightyear

destroy buzz lightyear

[eager summit]

then start working towards oops all 6s

ez win

[toxic lily]

Ooooorrr

[eager summit]

and probably sock and busken

[toxic lily]

Possible photo-chad?

[eager summit]

oooo

[proven oyster]

that could be possible

[jolly relic]

combusken

[toxic lily]

Imma get it

[proven oyster]

try to shuffle your deck and get flush five

that'll give you a massive score

[echo sphinx]

ok i have a stupid idea for amber acorn

what if instead of shuffling the jokers

[toxic lily]

It was all useless 😢
(Two pair)

[echo sphinx]

it shuffles the playing cards

and the rank suit stuff randomly swaps/unswaps the playing card

[viral raft]

Square carried the entire run tbh

[echo sphinx]

damn i just made pairslop boss

[patent sail]

im finding way too many nat negatives today

[echo sphinx]

what we doing

[viral raft]

Card sharp

[patent sail]

sharping our cards any day

[viral raft]

then win

[fringe nebula]

sharp

[glad aspen]

5 card sharps

[echo sphinx]

MMM SHARP

sobbin

[ancient gyro]

delgrat murder

[echo sphinx]

dumbass did not twoshot big blind and because of that i am $1 short of buying Banner

[ancient gyro]

u typically don't 2 shot big blind anyways

[echo sphinx]

i guess ye

friggin blue stake

MMM

ok chat

do i take this and forget red exist

or do i skip and get packet value

[ancient gyro]

no

[serene forge]

boss

[echo sphinx]

i think i skip the rtb

[shell dagger]

Yea

[echo sphinx]

agree

[toxic lily]

Here's a screenshot from a while ago

[quaint stag]

the plant is coming

[toxic lily]

💀

[pale wolf]

I want to have a hit the road game

[pure schooner]

Rip run

I shldve deathed the last gold card into steel and js been happy with e100

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[patent sail]

sooooo

sly might go but like he is ALL my chips

[short snow]

invis joker for dna?

ok i did that and got a 3rd mime hehe

[patent sail]

kinda want a gold sticker on invis, would selling mail be a valid play? mail is so good that i can gold sticker it any other time

[serene forge]

yes

[patent sail]

hell yea

[ancient gyro]

commons can be stickered any time

[patent sail]

seance AND invisible joker gold stickered at once is so good

[lunar zealot]

verdant leaf is not a real boss blind

[patent sail]

in 90% of my runs it does NOTHING

[rustic haven]

me playing baron mime every run so i lowkey just have to sell my rebate or dna

also i love bloodstone

[patent sail]

why play baron mime every run

[rustic haven]

it shows up

it loves me

[rustic haven]

im hard

oh he lost

see now me

i would never lose after that

[rustic haven]

GOD DAMN

LIGHT MODE?

ah hell nah these apple users son

[patent sail]

i like light mode and i feel no shame for it

[rustic haven]

my eyes

[lunar zealot]

i mean if you think about it the same can be said for pairslop jokers

[patent sail]

at least these are easy to get working

[rustic haven]

i only have like 30 hours into this profile but yeah

usually starts out as photochad

then ends up being baronmime

[lunar zealot]

brainstorm above blueprint is just absurd

[rustic haven]

i see it more often

idk what to say

brainstorm likes me

[patent sail]

i mean i personally see it more often

[lunar zealot]

i can excuse photochad or baron/mime but that's just irredeemable

[rustic haven]

i dont control what im given

[patent sail]

blueprint hates me mf doesnt wanna show up ever

[rustic haven]

SAME

[patent sail]

but brainstorm? all the time

[rustic haven]

son

[patent sail]

im crine

[rustic haven]

no cuz same, i think ive normal rolled bp twice on this profile

[rustic haven]

over like 50 runs ive gotten it normally

[rustic haven]

LOL

[ancient gyro]

so ive heard

[rustic haven]

shoot the moon is wild

[patent sail]

chicot got himself a halloween costume

[rustic haven]

EW RED CARD

i hate red card

ngl

[patent sail]

i literally have brainstorm gold stickered but blueprint is like

probably purple at best

[serene forge]

I hate you

[rustic haven]

i love bloodstone too!

[patent sail]

its like they made blueprint be rarer i swear

[ancient gyro]

wdym

[rustic haven]

why

[patent sail]

stm is so free

[serene forge]

can't relate

[patent sail]

baron except easy to get working

[rustic haven]

ew

[patent sail]

photo not on there hell yea

[rustic haven]

it yearns for a baronmime run

[patent sail]

im so sorry to say it but i had a fl*wer pot run

[rustic haven]

well isnt that just grand

[glad aspen]

Son im crine

[patent sail]

very big blind! watch out!

[rustic haven]

i didnt hit.

[echo sphinx]

rip banana

i need a new mult

[rustic haven]

whats lucky cat at

[echo sphinx]

1.5 lol

no luck

[rustic haven]

rip

[echo sphinx]

i picked it up at ante 2

you know whats worse

I HAVE LOTS

[rustic haven]

😭

[ancient gyro]

glassy could never

[glad aspen]

Omg i didnt tell yall but last night i cad a banana go extinct, and thenxt round i got a judgment from cartomancer and it gave me a foil cavendish

This run

[echo sphinx]

lol imagine if glassy doesnt break either

if lucky cat doesnt trigger

glass will never break

[ancient gyro]

glassy can force break, has higher default probabilities, and has scoring leniency that glass typically has

for triple the scaling

[echo sphinx]

oh shoot

the first part is crazy

[ancient gyro]

the moon

[echo sphinx]

it doesn't care how it breaks?

[ancient gyro]

no

[echo sphinx]

holy crap

new knowledge

[woven remnant]

oh we are so on

[serene forge]

you should be imprisoned for not taking the parking

[ancient gyro]

well spectrals don't work on it currently

[echo sphinx]

(if i can get the joker. i havent seen it in 200 runs)

[ancient gyro]

other than that yeah

[echo sphinx]

wdym immolate doesnt count as break

[ancient gyro]

bugged

[rustic haven]

i have

i have to...

[echo sphinx]

rip

[rustic haven]

the power...

[echo sphinx]

what the fuck lol

[rustic haven]

it wants me...

im the chosen one...

[ancient gyro]

6¢ scales glassy if u ever fall in that route

[serene forge]

take both

[rustic haven]

and lose?

im good

[echo sphinx]

wdym LOSE

take both

[serene forge]

?????

[rustic haven]

hello no why would i

anyway W jokers

[serene forge]

i feel like you would know more about losing considering you love bloodstone

[echo sphinx]

tsun karu

[rustic haven]

i do love bloodstone

[rustic haven]

dog

well gg

[serene forge]

did you buy a fucking planet pack with 3 dollars

[serene forge]

how is this gg

[echo sphinx]

fuck you mean gg u have scoring

my mental is gg

[ancient gyro]

minor tweaks

[rustic haven]

top 10 fattest ass

lmfao

[rustic haven]

why are my 3 goats at the bottom

[echo sphinx]

top 10
12 knights

[rustic haven]

baron, bloodstone, showman my goats

[ancient gyro]

yeah that's why they're at the bottom

[echo sphinx]

i still like how stm has its own space

[gaunt burrow]

sixth sense jst give me 2 cryptid , so i have 6 6s rn

[rustic haven]

biased

[echo sphinx]

yes

[serene forge]

what about idol

[echo sphinx]

me when people have preferences

[ancient gyro]

stm truly is balanced

[woven remnant]

looks good mostly expect for maybe troubldour and erosion

[rustic haven]

ew fuck idol

[echo sphinx]

oh shoot now that erosion is mentioned

im starting to think its garbage lol

i couldnt get value

cuz i keep adding strong playing cards to deck

[gaunt burrow]

another one!

[ancient gyro]

troub does not fit in your current pair slop meta for its initial downside and erosion has very specific scaling requirements you're not accessible to right away. also works against two of the better existing uncommons that function the opposite of it

[terse dock]

I still think the rebate glaze has gone too far

[woven remnant]

valid opinions, still dont full disagree

[sly marsh]

I never thought I'd skip on gold stake with clean photo and chad as options but I think I'm going to

[echo sphinx]

troubadour is a joker that would have been rated higher if pairslop wasn't so far ahead of every other hand

[ancient gyro]

:P

[sly marsh]

Red card, rebate, and campfire with liquidation carries easy

[serene forge]

how many claws from slay the spire does it take to naneinf

[terse dock]

troubadour helps steelslop though

[woven remnant]

I am still on board for most of your placements tho

[echo sphinx]

lol

[ancient gyro]

it is what it is

[echo sphinx]

maybe with clone overclock he can naneinf

[serene forge]

how so

[rose smelt]

C

[terse dock]

https://youtu.be/7eRHCPwGXt8

[terse dock]

I feel like saying its top 1 is a bit far

[rustic haven]

but rebate is the goat

?

[turbid nova]

rebate top 1?

[terse dock]

not in a game with chicot

[echo sphinx]

money is king

[turbid nova]

I know who my goat is

[echo sphinx]

and rebate is the king of monis

[turbid nova]

it starts with B

and it ends with lackboard

[rustic haven]

midboard

[echo sphinx]

Bmailed-in

[ancient gyro]

rebate is the primary gaslighting victim of being the first to get nerfed next update

[terse dock]

not really

[echo sphinx]

then die

[rustic haven]

son

[echo sphinx]

money is your chicot

money is your tarot

money is your joker

[terse dock]

my chicot is $4

[turbid nova]

rebate falls off a bit past blue stake

[echo sphinx]

no your chicot is $400

[turbid nova]

it's still S tier imo

[terse dock]

my tarot is vagabond

[turbid nova]

but not top 1

[terse dock]

my joker is holo vagabond

[ancient gyro]

this isn't exclusive to rebate

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[cloud sinew]

-5 cards seen doesnt really hurt rebate that much

[ancient gyro]

insert lilo econ joker ev chart here

[turbid nova]

maybe we should make a tierlist just with econ jokers

[ancient gyro]

(i lost the last one)

[turbid nova]

so it's a better comparison

[echo sphinx]

pretty hard to rank them ngl

[ancient gyro]

you can just look at my list and single out the econ jokers

[cloud sinew]

maybe for you

but for me it's pretty easy

[ancient gyro]

same

[turbid nova]

I'm gonna do it right now

[echo sphinx]

money is king and they all go from "godsend" to "ok id like skip this (eg satellite) ig"

[turbid nova]

do we count credit card?

I'm counting it

[ancient gyro]

no

[echo sphinx]

nah

[rustic haven]

my goat

[cloud sinew]

direct econ only?

as in, things that directly give you $

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

okay

[echo sphinx]

what are examples of indirect econ

[ancient gyro]

something that you can put a $ per round on

[echo sphinx]

other than the Lucky card stuff

[terse dock]

vagabond

[bronze widget]

Certificate

Retriggers

[ancient gyro]

value generators that isn't directly rewarding you with $

[cloud sinew]

cartomancer, vagabond, oops

[bronze widget]

Red seal

[serene forge]

burglar

[echo sphinx]

ic

[terse dock]

any scoring joker

[echo sphinx]

scoring joker is a bit far om

[bronze widget]

Blueprint isnt in anyway econ f tier joker

[ancient gyro]

it cost too much

[cloud sinew]

not including midas in this just feels wrong

[ancient gyro]

🥀

I'll include midas

[echo sphinx]

midas feels like the most "ths should be an econ joker" that isnt

i would include it cuz its bought for the econ

even with vampire in the mix

[terse dock]

erm actually speculative vampire + splash

[cloud sinew]

is this correct for all direct econ jokers

[echo sphinx]

would gold cards count

oh

[terse vale]

prolly astronomer right

[terse dock]

Triboulet

[echo sphinx]

thats an interesting one

[cloud sinew]

what about it

[terse dock]

free $10

[echo sphinx]

lol

[willow frost]

X2 money per king or queen played

[echo sphinx]

ok question

[ancient gyro]

that goes in the miscellaneous category

[echo sphinx]

would you guys consider egg/gift as econ jokers

[turbid nova]

I know midas mask and credit card don't give money outright

[bronze widget]

Matador?

[terse dock]

No

[cloud sinew]

i would not consider it direct econ

[cloud sinew]

thank you

[echo sphinx]

they're the most econ looking econ

[turbid nova]

I left the definition a bit loose

[terse vale]

I thjnk thats just econ straightup

[bronze widget]

Egg technically…

[ancient gyro]

indirect, a second event has to occur in order to obtain $

[rustic haven]

my goat rocket

should not be down there

[cloud sinew]

including things that don't give money directly then you have a subjective definition

[echo sphinx]

how so

[rustic haven]

also wheres to the moon?

[turbid nova]

rocket kind depends on when you get it

[cloud sinew]

it doesn't give you money directly

[rustic haven]

to the moon is my goat

[turbid nova]

oh yeah I forgor

to the moon is A

[cloud sinew]

it always gives at least $1

[echo sphinx]

the way i see it, it provides $3 sell value per round
which could be sold at any time for cash

[terse dock]

better than delayed gratification

[cloud sinew]

wrong! eternal sticker:

[shell dagger]

why is c9 2 tiers below golden

[echo sphinx]

rip lol

[turbid nova]

delayed gratification can be good

[echo sphinx]

ok how about astronomer

[terse dock]

Fuuuckckkkk he got Murphy syndrome

[turbid nova]

costs less

[terse dock]

gotta put him down

[echo sphinx]

its the least econ joker

i tink its not

but what do you think

[ancient gyro]

rocket takes at least 2 antes to outscale golden in terms of total cash accumulated

[terse dock]

One. Dollar.

[shell dagger]

2 tiers dawg

[terse dock]

That's a half a dollar per tier

[willow frost]

but cloud 9 is goated?

[turbid nova]

ah

[bronze widget]

Cloud 9 > golden

[turbid nova]

I thought c9 was like $8

I don't know the prices by heart

[echo sphinx]

lemme list econ jokers rq

[terse vale]

I guess its technically direct since you don’t really have to do a second thing

[ancient gyro]

disqualified

[terse vale]

would you rather have 2 dollar or 1 dollar…

[rustic haven]

hm.

the bloodstone

[willow frost]

would you rather have egg
or not

[rustic haven]

i have to

[terse vale]

this is like the one thing I can’t remember either

[bronze widget]

1 cause i am humble..

[terse vale]

idk what costs 7 6 or 5 dollars

[cloud sinew]

i think i agree with this

[shell dagger]

just think about it

[rustic haven]

this is fire

[ancient gyro]

is this in order within tiers

[terse vale]

stuntman should be 8 dollars

[cloud sinew]

yes

wait

other than golden joker and c9, yes

[turbid nova]

ohhh trading card

[cloud sinew]

they should be swapped

[ancient gyro]

ok then I have a couple questions

[bronze widget]

Business high b

[turbid nova]

why is it B?

[ancient gyro]

o

[shell dagger]

i rank business card and tdl over satellite

[cloud sinew]

the jokers are ranked relative to other econ jokers, not relative to all other jokers

[turbid nova]

trading card provides money AND deckfixing at the same time

I would place it in high A

[bronze widget]

Tdl is too unreliable

[echo sphinx]

question

would riffraff count as an econ joker

[turbid nova]

no

we're stretching the definition too much

[bronze widget]

This is ranking them based on econ only i think but idk

[echo sphinx]

it spits out jokers that provide sell value

[turbid nova]

all tarot generators count as econ then too

[terse dock]

yeah but its like directly worse than golden joker when focusing on solely economy so

[cloud sinew]

i dont think that trading is better econ than golden, c9, etc

[turbid nova]

if you wanna go that route

[shell dagger]

econ jokers don’t need to be as reliable as scoring jokers do

[echo sphinx]

and unlike egg they cant be eternal

[bronze widget]

Sock and buskin is an econ joker

[bronze widget]

Still i rsther have a reliable econ source

[turbid nova]

oh if you're going just econ I guess, what's good is that trading card activates before the round is finished so you could gain higher interest

that doesn't happen for end of round effects like golden

[cloud sinew]

that only ever makes it equal to c9 and golden, not better, aside from when you already have ttm

[turbid nova]

but in general I would sell golden for trading card

[patent sail]

tbh i like to think of TDL as like

actual to do list

you grab it on an easy to spam hand/waiting for it to switch to one, you do it, and you throw it out once its done

[turbid nova]

if you get something like high card or pair you can farm money

[willow frost]

id keep it if i have space, why no

t

[turbid nova]

as long as your score is good enough

[patent sail]

yep that is in fact the afformentioned easy to spam hand

[ancient gyro]

im questioning satellite utility early/mid game where most econ thrives in getting you up to interest cap

[turbid nova]

satellite early game is ass cheeks

and it's not worth the investment imo

[turbid nova]

buying so many different planets

[cloud sinew]

satellite early is just okay

[echo sphinx]

damn i forgot satelite

[turbid nova]

delayed grat has its use imo

[turbid nova]

green joker mostly

[gaunt burrow]

why mandator so low

[echo sphinx]

my opinion

[ancient gyro]

is this counting them taken in any condition (eternal/perishable/rental)

[turbid nova]

I haven't used matador ever

[echo sphinx]

even tho i had a crazy run with matador econ on average i think he's not that great

[turbid nova]

not that I see it that often

[bronze widget]

Maybe for white stake

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[turbid nova]

so matador costs $7 and gives $8 per activation on specific boss blinds

mostly the debuff ones

[cloud sinew]

could you elaborate

[bronze widget]

Is this good ragebait

[echo sphinx]

its still worth looking at because $8 per hand into some bosses is crazy good

[bronze widget]

Yea but a lot of boss blinds dont trigger it

[cloud sinew]

matador is a "check the boss blind" joker

[rustic haven]

lowkey dont even take vaga here

[cloud sinew]

you should check the boss blind before considering taking it

[serene forge]

matador works well when it works it just doesn't work often

[rustic haven]

my econ is oated

[ancient gyro]

accounting those jokers in all possible combinations of sticker debuffs they come with on the tier list

[turbid nova]

• face the ox
• play your most played hand
• lose all your money
• gain $8 👍

w matador

[ancient gyro]

in addition to $ ev

or is it just pure ev

[gaunt burrow]

true

[cloud sinew]

proportional to how likely they are to have that sticker, then yes i believe i did rank them with this in mind.

[gentle basalt]

Surely trading card is better than the others in A, maybe faceless too, and rocket is situationally great

[ancient gyro]

k

[rustic haven]

trading card is a deckfixing joker

[echo sphinx]

i did not order them within the list

[rustic haven]

not econ

[bronze widget]

Then if you do it 4 times you end up with 8 dollars 😳

[patent sail]

but it does give econ

hence

on the list

[cloud sinew]

it gives money directly, it is by definition an econ joker

[gentle basalt]

Its both, thats why its even better

[ancient gyro]

well i definitely wouldn't keep this list in mind

entirely

[echo sphinx]

i order them based on when i see the thing in the pool of 150 jokers

[bronze widget]

Perkeo is an econ joker

[rustic haven]

yeah but having it be above the A category

is an L

[terse dock]

every joker is an econ joker

[rustic haven]

not saying it is, saying if it was

[ancient gyro]

yeah that's what's keeping me from fully agreeing with her list

[bronze widget]

I think tdl and parking B tier

[rustic haven]

every joker has a sell value therefore econ joker

[terse dock]

There are 3 types of jokers.

[tender quarry]

I’m sure someone’s made an alignment chart of “what is an econ joker” before

[cloud sinew]

what do you mean by this

[terse dock]

Econ, Scoring, Utility

[gentle basalt]

Maybe i am doc pilled, but i see trading card as 2nd best among econ jokers

[terse dock]

Despite seeming like utility, Vagabond is an econ joker.

[gaunt burrow]

shoot the moon that good?

[tender quarry]

For me stuff like Carto is an econ joker though

[gentle basalt]

Wtf??

[gaunt burrow]

i thought it b or c tier

[patent sail]

+13 mult is pretty good

[ancient gyro]

trading card can't be taken in all conditions very frequently

[terse dock]

when solely being judged by its econ ability it is almost directly worse than golden and cloud 9

[echo sphinx]

like uh
in a run. most of the time id just take the first joker in the tierlist

[gaunt burrow]

go to the moon*

messed it up

[patent sail]

its shoot the moon

oh to the moon

[bronze widget]

Its good when ur playing pairs /two pairs

[echo sphinx]

and this tierlist only starts to make sense when theres a competing econ joker in the shop

[patent sail]

its pretty damn good too

[gaunt burrow]

the one increase your money payout

[ancient gyro]

ttm is cheaper than golden and has a higher frequent $ ceiling

[patent sail]

doubling the interest is good

[bronze widget]

It is great

[echo sphinx]

tothemoon is $5

mmmmmmmmmm

[cloud sinew]

i think you should evaluate based on how much they value they give across the time you take it, not just how often you take it

[bronze widget]

Potential 20

[gentle basalt]

No?
Infact it allows you to setup the pivot for higher hands

[gaunt burrow]

i think i will try it

[echo sphinx]

if that's the tierlist, include midas

[cloud sinew]

no

because we're doing direct econ only

[ancient gyro]

we

[bronze widget]

Yes but to use it you need to use a reliable hand other you wont draw and might lose

[turbid nova]

40 with both interest vouchers

[bronze widget]

It gives you 20

[terse dock]

shouldn't count vouchers in joker discussion

[bronze widget]

But yes 40 overall

[shell dagger]

I think this is mine

[echo sphinx]

midas is taken mostly for the monis and nothing else

[gentle basalt]

20 with both*

[ancient gyro]

we kinda already know where midas stands even if absent on the list

[bronze widget]

Overvaluing faceless

[echo sphinx]

its the most econ joker that doesnt give direct $

[shell dagger]

nah

faceless is goated

[bronze widget]

Yes

[terse dock]

Mid A tier

[cloud sinew]

faceless is good, rebate just overshadows it

[bronze widget]

Faceless is not allat

[turbid nova]

20 just from the joker yeah

[rustic haven]

reserved my goat

[ancient gyro]

yeah this makes sense

[turbid nova]

faceless is aight

[echo sphinx]

neato

[bronze widget]

Yeah but the 2nd best econ joker?

[terse dock]

Faceless is more fun than rebate so its better

[bronze widget]

I wldnt go that far

[ancient gyro]

second best econ

[shell dagger]

second best is Midas but that’s not being ranked here

[echo sphinx]

honestly pretty well ordered considering how close most of the econ jokers are

[verbal magnet]

hey im trying to open the debug and tab literally isnt doing anything

[terse dock]

You need a mod installed

[tender quarry]

I’d never put ttm above (or even particularly close to) golden tbh

[turbid nova]

early midas mask is sooo goated

[ancient gyro]

i would

[gentle basalt]

Btw according to your own tier list, trading card is the 2nd best among the econ jokers (not counting midas)

[cloud sinew]

most of the time, faceless is a significantly better golden joker but a worse rebate

[turbid nova]

you won't even need a money joker at all

[ancient gyro]

faceless makes its econ very easily with the current meta not caring about specific card scoring

[shell dagger]

yeah the voucher synergy does not beat the fact that golden works immediately

[verbal magnet]

if youre talking to me, which mod?

[bronze widget]

Eh

[gaunt burrow]

dont know about that

[tender quarry]

The voucher synergy is like not even worth thinking about imo

[shell dagger]

i think b tier could be split on my list

[terse dock]

theres like 4 of them ask in #⚙・modding-general

[verbal magnet]

thanks

[cloud sinew]

$5 vs $4 for most of the game

[ancient gyro]

i like to think of the econ jokers without any outside influence regarding purchase ables indirectly benefitting them

[tender quarry]

Because it requires you to have a lot of money (and presumably good survival to get there) to begin with and find something that you’re not at all guaranteed to find (at which point if it does happen +$5 and +$10 per round both should just win)

[ancient gyro]

4 dolla vs 4 dolla if you have hermit money

[echo sphinx]

feels a bit strange to me from the perspective of "if this thing is giving me monis, its monis"

thats why idk why vagabond isnt "econ" even tho i understand

[turbid nova]

here is just the chip jokers (there aren't that many)

[turbid nova]

every joker is econ you can just sell it

[shell dagger]

hiker and bull too close

[rustic haven]

stone joker is so real

xd

[echo sphinx]

because if i really stretch it, vagabond gives a $1 tarot per hand until the bank is $5

[turbid nova]

and it gives you money

[tender quarry]

It’s the question of being able to spend down with something like Golden a lot more early

[gentle basalt]

No way scary face that strong

[tender quarry]

Like you can go down to low interest there, that’s fine and stable

[turbid nova]

yes way

[tender quarry]

Not so much with ttm

[gaunt burrow]

the gift joker!

[ancient gyro]

which makes me question more about the satellite placement

[tender quarry]

And that earlygame stability is the big benefit of econ jokers

[ancient gyro]

is the late game benefit that much better making up the volatile conditions of early/mid satellite for the "fortune teller" of econ jokers

[gentle basalt]

Why does this chat abbreviate everything
I understand ttm ofcourse, but do you call the joker ttm when you pick it up?