🕹・game-discussion

[pastel pagoda]

I would still love bloodstone no matter what

[rustic haven]

igh

[rustic haven]

rs twin

[pastel pagoda]

I moved on from bloodstone hate

I became a better person

[waxen fable]

all roads lead to the speculative oops

[pastel pagoda]

I realized my wrongdoings

[ancient gyro]

it came with the internet bundle

[rustic haven]

lowkey needa change my suit role

spades ass

[ancient gyro]

huh

[rustic haven]

fye

[waxen fable]

bro arrowhead is the goat

[pastel pagoda]

Dude arrowhead slander shall not be tolerated

[minor portal]

you know who ain't the goat

[rustic haven]

yeah but spades ass still

[waxen fable]

wow

[rustic haven]

hearts, diamonds, clubs, then spades

[ancient gyro]

spades are the easiest face down card suit to locate

[rustic haven]

lowkey

[shell dagger]

2.5/10 ragebait

[woven hare]

misread as spreads

[rustic haven]

its not

[waxen fable]

spades and diamonds

[rustic haven]

you next

[woven hare]

wh

[ancient gyro]

stone cards affect diamond guessing

[rustic haven]

blue stake makes me wanna get cancer

[pastel pagoda]

honestly its orange for me

[rustic haven]

never been to orange

so

rip

[waxen fable]

nah

[rustic haven]

nah youd win

[pastel pagoda]

Like fym I find a perfectly good shiny ante 2 hologram and it has perishable

[waxen fable]

we all should be hating on purple stake guys

[shell dagger]

it wasn’t

[waxen fable]

dats like the main reason why gold stake is hard

[minor portal]

red stake easily top 3 worst stakes

[pastel pagoda]

What did purple do to you?

[waxen fable]

the scaling

[rustic haven]

true

[waxen fable]

also the main thing dat makes plasma a bullshit deck entirely

[rustic haven]

i want my money

[pastel pagoda]

Hm

Fair

But like

There are 2 stakes that increase scaling iirc

[potent gale]

Now I get the appeal of baron runs

[bronze maple]

yes

[rustic haven]

yeah green and purple

[waxen fable]

if you can beat purple u can beat gold

[pastel pagoda]

No ante 5 naneinf. R key on the keyboard

[waxen fable]

u just gotta be smart with perishables and rentals

[rustic haven]

not even close...?

[bronze maple]

4 eternals ante 2 🔥

[rustic haven]

baron getting chopped

[pastel pagoda]

Not really

[rustic haven]

$8 down the drain

[potent gale]

😔

[pastel pagoda]

A joker that carries you through the whole game on purple could be perishable on gold

[shell dagger]

but it might not be

that’s their point

[waxen fable]

at early it's fun

this typa run gets boring reaaaly quickly

[shell dagger]

if your skill level is capped at purple stake, you can theoretically still beat gold

[waxen fable]

unless u have disable animations mod

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah

Honestly that mod should be a vanilla thing

[potent gale]

Figured so. I typically strive for lucky card runs but this is my first legitimate baron run

Unseeded as well

[pastel pagoda]

Oh dam thats pretty good then

Don't mind sharing the seed when you beat ante 8?

[potent gale]

Yeah I got baron mime in the same shop plus a few invis jokers

[potent gale]

Just did but I’ll be sure to give you it once I’m done

[pastel pagoda]

alr

[rustic haven]

ante 3 antimatter

ez

[pastel pagoda]

What's antimatter?

Never seen that thing i n my life before

[rustic haven]

+1 joker voucher

[wintry ice]

do i still play two pair

[pastel pagoda]

Dude just made up some voucher

[woven hare]

get 10 blanks

[pastel pagoda]

Imagine if it was a tier 2 blank LOL

Like it ever would appear anyways

[woven hare]

oh yeah imagine

[rustic haven]

[humble gulch]

Probably not

[potent gale]

I just need a Déjà vu and this games wraps

[wintry ice]

i doubt it would matter that much anyways

[rustic haven]

me on half my runs

😭

[patent sail]

what if they added a joker that gives +4 mult

[wintry ice]

obelisk in 2 shops trust

[rustic haven]

[patent sail]

oh yeah he could look like that, great concept art

[rustic haven]

thanks!

[wintry ice]

what if they added a joker that scales by 0.2x for each consecutive hand played that isn't your most played

[potent gale]

Omg I hit polychrome on my wheel and it landed on mime

[pastel pagoda]

Honestly obelisk was always a really weird joker for me

[rustic haven]

real

[patent sail]

that would be horrible no

[wintry ice]

this is the best case scenario for it

[pastel pagoda]

Yeah...

[wintry ice]

scaling chips and mult with like 20 pairs played on a deck that makes large hands really easy to draw

[patent sail]

obviously what we need is a joker that lets duplicates of things appear

[pastel pagoda]

How about we make it reset each time you DO play your most played hand?

[rustic haven]

oh wow brainstorm loves me

first showman loved me

now brainstorm

[potent gale]

e15 ante 10

[pastel pagoda]

I get much more brainstorm than blueprint on my runs

Like

[rustic haven]

no fr

[pastel pagoda]

Brainstorms feels much more common than blueprint

[rustic haven]

playing for 6th is so hard with 2 discards

[pastel pagoda]

Even in my stats I have like 1700 rounds with brainstorm and around 1000 with blueprint

[rustic haven]

wheres my wasteful man

[patent sail]

well look at them - brainstorm is easy for jimbo to draw really quickly

[waxen fable]

not the case when u go lobotomy mode

[rustic haven]

and that is?

[patent sail]

but blueprint he has to carefully measure and draw for you

[waxen fable]

pair build

[rustic haven]

whats new

[patent sail]

it takes him longer to make those

[pastel pagoda]

You know you got a point there

[rustic haven]

omfg

i just took an eternal hallucination on accident

LMFAO

welp

value

[wintry ice]

worth.

[patent sail]

now youre hallucinating forever

[waxen fable]

itll always give hermits dont worry

[patent sail]

great jon

[rustic haven]

if it doesnt

im committing tax fraud

[patent sail]

not job, jon

[wintry ice]

the 2x mispelling combo

[patent sail]

what

[rustic haven]

it was calculated

[patent sail]

only 1

i MAY be damaged of brain variety idk

[wintry ice]

not job, jon

[patent sail]

ywah thats like

intentional

2nd one is

[wintry ice]

or is it...

[pastel pagoda]

Welp

Ima go try unseeded black deck naneinf

[rustic haven]

i think i lose this run

ngl

[patent sail]

i hope you find it again

[potent gale]

e20 my new highest score lowkey

[shell dagger]

with or without perkeo

[robust lance]

basically drew all of my clubs at once

(went with a purple seal)

dude i put on a mod that adds the tboi narrator voicelines for the tarot cards and its funny every time

[cosmic maple]

Mad world if you didn't already know, photochad or photo n buskin?

[noble shuttle]

Bootstraps sucks

[pale wolf]

I don't think you need oops

better to keep the 2X from sock

[cosmic maple]

Prolly not, but money is fun. If it's the best decision to drop it I will tho

[pale wolf]

You could win replacing any Joker here except photo

[cosmic maple]

Oops also does help with lucky, I have a good bit of lucky nines

Alr, goodbye oops ig

[pale wolf]

run is super won with 64x from photochadprint

[potent gale]

@pastel pagoda

Here you go

[cosmic maple]

Ha, oops is back lol

[potent gale]

I also played on ghost deck fyi

[gaunt spire]

!!!!!!!!!

[cosmic maple]

:| maybe if I held onto that oops

I could sell the tarot and sock but idk if it's worth without oops

[compact gazelle]

you’re in ante 8 with a winning build what do you need rngstone for

[cosmic maple]

Uhh endless

Funzies

[compact gazelle]

💀

🗣️ 🔥
🐴

[cosmic maple]

What does the horse mean

[compact gazelle]

🐴

[cosmic maple]

🐴

[slender mauve]

how do i play flowerpot?

[cosmic maple]

You don't

[slender mauve]

i wanna

[compact gazelle]

splash or wild cards
straights or 2pairs or houses (which are bad) or 4s or 5s

[slender mauve]

(need a sticker)

oh, splash makes sense yeah, tyvm

[serene forge]

what does a beach have to do with this

[cosmic maple]

You get neg flower pot and chill with a winning build

[rustic haven]

why is 37 if not the next big monday of last year?

[slender mauve]

yeaaah but

[serene forge]

74

[slender mauve]

mah feelings will get hurt

[stark karma]

ante 1 ecto yorrick

not even a PB

[rustic haven]

91 tho no?

[stark karma]

my best is x53 sad...

was praying for idol

91EJ1RHW

[cosmic maple]

Perkeo?

[stark karma]

insane seed

yup

[cosmic maple]

Dam

[stark karma]

I'm sure someone can get a crazy yorrick with this seed

shows up ante 1 spectral

If I knew perkeo would show up later I'd me more dialed in

cut too many cards tbh

HAHAHAHAHA

pick your poison

[serene forge]

39

[serene forge]

post to reddit with the caption "I wish I can have both"

[stark karma]

infinite updoots hack

[timid jay]

how did u get this lucky?

[stark karma]

play lots

[waxen fable]

stop being luck reliant

[timid jay]

is there no guide anywhere on good synergies

[alpine crescent]

hi guys

[stark karma]

arre the gold stickers on both the idol and baron an aura moment btw?

[cosmic maple]

A photochadprint n buskin evolved into a photochadprint bloodstone into a photochadprint Idol and now I dropped the chad for sock is the photo still worth?

[waxen fable]

synergies aren't important + balatro wiki (not the fandom one) has very good info on everything u need

[cosmic maple]

I prolly should have dropped the photo instead of the Chad tbh

[cosmic maple]

Gold sticker juggler🤍

[stark karma]

they're fun

[alpine crescent]

you can make up your own synergy

[ebon condor]

being able to recognize and utilize synergies is a learned skill

[vocal rose]

+mult +chips xmult

[distant thunder]

CLOUD 9 VALUE 🗣️

[solemn tide]

1 out of 5 means 1 out of the 5 times a card is scored, it will give 20 dollars right

[bronze maple]

no its a 1 in 5 every time

5 cards may give nothing

and 3 may give 60

[stuck goblet]

holy molly

[stark karma]

pray for bean and burglar

[vernal leaf]

Should I be looking for anything specific with showman for this current run?

[wintry ice]

i have square and grimbo and i'm still being bailed by steel cards

oh my god

[vernal leaf]

@stark karma

[wintry ice]

most boring 4oak pivot ever

oh well

[stuck goblet]

75

[solemn tide]

no I mean when a card is retriggered like if theres like 2 hanging chads and one sock n buskin will that mean a lucky king will give atleast 5 dollars

[bronze maple]

I understood what you meant

[icy turret]

Yippee invis and 4fingers stickered!!!

[bronze maple]

it doesnt make a difference

[solemn tide]

[bronze maple]

like internally its just a random number generator

[turbid nova]

pays for itself ig

[languid adder]

Lack of antimatter made it so hard TwT rip run

[high canyon]

guys why i can't change gamesets in cryptid ?
i press the button but no effect

[vocal rose]

#⚙・modding-support

[pastel pagoda]

The modding channel would be there

[high canyon]

thanks

[high canyon]

but no ones answer me

[vocal rose]

🤷‍♀️

you likely wont find an answer here

[high canyon]

sadly

[civic fable]

what if you
wanted to go the gym

but jimbo said

Double Fucking Rainbow brainstorm

[cosmic maple]

Ikr?

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[vocal rose]

alright

run direction ig

[wintry ice]

ah yes

[vocal rose]

some nice deck

[wintry ice]

double yuri

[vocal rose]

alright game

why must you do this to me

I cant even full skip to the end

so that it doesnt die

[fervent wolf]

Looks like a good hand to win on

I literally got an eternal holo rebate and ankh ante 1

And then eternal Brainstorm ante 2

Hologram and ankh a few rounds later

[vocal rose]

I LIVE

[ancient gyro]

inshallah

[sand rampart]

FUCK ME GOLD STAKE IS HARD😭

[vocal rose]

hell yes

[nocturne veldt]

i just returned to the game after a month to beat green stake, i am sincerely worried what the gold stake has to offer 😭

[quiet hawk]

is this optimal?

[humble gulch]

FUCK

[solemn carbon]

late but no i’m not

[vocal rose]

no

copying photo is optimal

[vocal rose]

3 hands...

[humble gulch]

Happens to the best of us

[vocal rose]

id expect that on black deck

not any other deck...

[surreal dragon]

hola amigo

amigos rather

[humble gulch]

Is this some language larping or do you actually speak spanish

[sand rampart]

i have died so many times just to get a win lol

[ember shoal]

I got two negative's back to back in the insert deck here cuz I forgot what it's called

[mint jetty]

Should i fall for the bait?

[robust lance]

No balls

[mint jetty]

Yes balls

[robust lance]

Do it

[mint jetty]

Sure, I need the gold sticker anyways

[quiet hawk]

is blueprint on photo still optimal

[wintry ice]

do i take flash card here

so

or is it too early

[vocal rose]

yes

[vocal rose]

too early

[ancient gyro]

prob not

[vocal rose]

we take business though

[ancient gyro]

biz

would've taken both if able

[mint jetty]

Nah, it wont help you yet

If you buy it now I believe you would start scaling it after ante 2 big blind

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[cyan bone]

rate the jokers

[quiet hawk]

what jokers do i take in this situation

[wintry ice]

ok flash card would have been worth it

[serene forge]

the r key joker

[wintry ice]

yeah

i think i'm taking smiley here

[serene forge]

weakest obelisk

[quiet hawk]

controller player 😋

[wintry ice]

very easy way to set up two pairs

[serene forge]

which controller

[mint jetty]

With foil sure

[quiet hawk]

playstation

[serene forge]

copy the hold ps button for 10 seconds joker

[mint jetty]

Maybe try deck fixing for flush house?

[quiet hawk]

oh

[wintry ice]

eh, two pair would probably work just as well

maybe even 4oak

[mint jetty]

Its easier to do when you're in painted deck with trading card

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[blazing breach]

wrong game but please tell me yall see it

the soul

it looks like it

[leaden maple]

A Balatro x Terraria collab would be amazing

[mint jetty]

Trousers is the correct move right?

Or is ante 4 too late

[dire sage]

perkeo in the aether pylon

[dire sage]

oops! all 6s in reroll

[slow iris]

could be a safety net in case fraudstone doesn't do the thing maybe but it seems a bit late

also it doesn't work with bloodstone

[mint jetty]

I know

I took it mostly to survive and to get the gold sticker

I think i can find something else

I dont want another rental rn

[humble gulch]

Well

You can play a two pair and a flush

And it counts

[slow iris]

i mean that the mult applies after bloodstone

[fervent quarry]

Wait, isn't this an infinite money generator?

[humble gulch]

No

[vocal rose]

no

[wintry ice]

would selling trading card for dagger be worth it

[vocal rose]

but you can try it

[slow iris]

rounds gets reset

[vocal rose]

i’d sell business

[neat dirge]

GGs

😔

[flint rune]

Wait, aether pylon?
I thought you could only get cavern pylons in the shimmer?

[wintry ice]

wouldn't it be better to sell trading card and sac business?

[flint rune]

And in general

[dire sage]

1.4.5 magic

[fervent quarry]

Boooo! Makes sense to prevent what I just said, but then it's not really cloning the other joker technically.

[cloud sinew]

it also doesnt copy negative 🤷‍♀️

[fervent quarry]

Yeah but that's specifically stated in the description.

[vocal rose]

perhaps

[pale wolf]

does it copy loyalty card count

I know it copies Yorick count

[wintry ice]

ok uh

now idk if i need dagger anymore

[vocal rose]

but I mean you can still get value from trading card for one last round

[wintry ice]

i probably should have checked the pack first

[vocal rose]

just cut it afterwards

[wintry ice]

oh well

bro where were you when i still had to sticker you 😭

[pale wolf]

its pairs isnt it 🥀

[wintry ice]

two pair works for it on this deck

[terse dock]

would you rather be short or tall

[wintry ice]

you could even try scaling both if you're above interest

[blazing breach]

aether is shimmer biome
there’s some new update it’s kinda bad with the new corruption generation making a huge “v” from the corruption to the hallow
maybe it’s not new i used to do EVERYTHING on this game in journeys end
i beat up to mech worm with copper short sword and potions😭
either way, there’s cavern, mushroom (i think), jungle, beach, forest, hallow, desert, etc.
and aether

[fervent quarry]

Tempting, but I'm not in a meme mood today.

[pale wolf]

fair point

[wintry ice]

get scholar and blackboard and you get the american college student build

i was going to make a joke about making flush house here but

i sold the moon 💀

[ancient gyro]

pretty sure you can offset its remaining hand count in crimson

[ancient gyro]

you're finally playing it 😀

[wintry ice]

are you sure

[pale wolf]

are you a painted fan now

[ancient gyro]

no

[wintry ice]

so

do i unlock flush house

[pale wolf]

:)

I'm so broke

[ancient gyro]

are you dead without it

[wintry ice]

no

but it would be fun

[ancient gyro]

ight

[wintry ice]

and i do want to move away from dagger

for stickers

[soft talon]

Got the wee to 1k

[pale wolf]

grr

[ancient gyro]

vic moment

she cleared it tbf

[soft talon]

This is how much i managed to get it to

[echo sphinx]

joker lineup of a time

[pale wolf]

hows this for a save

[ancient gyro]

i suppose chap

[pale wolf]

i was ded

[ancient gyro]

vic cleared it with three steels

o

[pale wolf]

$8 rerolls

[echo sphinx]

nice

would take barmle cuz fun

[pale wolf]

nevermind i am still dead lol

2k off

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[pale wolf]

i hate card sharp

:c

[echo sphinx]

how many steels

rip

[pale wolf]

had a chariot and a fool

[echo sphinx]

o

2

rip

[echo sphinx]

actual gambling

until it wasnt

[pale wolf]

this is the kind of seed i can handle

baby mode activated

[ancient gyro]

wow

[echo sphinx]

JUGGLE DROLL

WOT

ok time to sleep lol

[bronze leaf]

Does anyone have any tips for gold stake erratic deck?

I've been stuck there for weeks and I'm burning out from losing at ante 4 or 5

[wintry ice]

goodness

[pale wolf]

i love card sharp

[wintry ice]

well uh

bye dagger

[random terrace]

Ima become wifies I swear bro

[wintry ice]

average negative skip

[ancient gyro]

erratic is more planet friendly than joker friendly as joker synergies can vary

3oak can be a genuine long term poker hand provided little deck fixing resources

try not to worry too much about specific ranks and suits you start with the most of and shift your deck weight to them and black suits regardless

money

[vocal rose]

why are we poking hands

[ancient gyro]

i want stm to notice me

[bronze leaf]

Will try

Thank you

[vocal rose]

shes not allat

[ancient gyro]

yk what is

[wintry ice]

she is allat

(i've played painted deck almost exclusively for 2 months)

[vocal rose]

painted deck ++

[turbid nova]

how many jokers are you missing

[ancient gyro]

im guessing you hate it

[wintry ice]

man what the fuck

[ancient gyro]

my tier lists

[wintry ice]

2

[wintry ice]

playing hands other than pairs is fun

[ancient gyro]

dystopian shortcut

[vocal rose]

oh hell yes

[ancient gyro]

i suppose

[vocal rose]

peak interest for a good 10 minutes

[turbid nova]

I always see the needle at the top of the hardest boss blind tierlists

I geniunely think it's not that bad

[wintry ice]

i mean i wouldn't have done this challenge if i didn't like painted deck

[ancient gyro]

it's consistently a threatening boss to any poker hand build in terms of card digging, scoring requirements per hand, no cash out money, lack of boss reroll safety, etc.

[wintry ice]

otherwise i'd be playing black deck instead

[wintry ice]

?

[turbid nova]

||also vic please check the chat :)||

[terse dock]

OK fellas I think the rebate glaze is a bit much now

[ancient gyro]

it killed someone's 43rd gs win streak

[turbid nova]

@wintry ice ^

[vocal rose]

its a substantial threat

I dont know if it got hands like vv or the wall though

[wintry ice]

wall in "potentially dangerous" is deserving of being voted out of the tournament

[ancient gyro]

localtrunk would never nerf something this silly cmon guys

[pale wolf]

the royal flush planet 🧐

[vocal rose]

surely its not getting nerfed

our glaze isnt thaaaat warranted

[turbid nova]

it is honestly

[wintry ice]

while rebate is overpowered i still don't think it's the best joker in the game

[ancient gyro]

wall/vv are more often pair killers, needle is universally a threat via scaling and what not

[turbid nova]

past blue stake it's still probably the best econ joker but sometimes it can be somewhat fraudulent

[vocal rose]

does he know....

[ancient gyro]

vanity joker

[turbid nova]

what can be the nerf

make it $4 instead?

[wintry ice]

it's like the one joker i feel deserves a nerf

[vocal rose]

it is absolutely not on fraud watch

[vocal rose]

still the best econ joker

$3 would make it a very good econ joker

but not the best anymore

[ancient gyro]

3 dollars take it or leave it

[vocal rose]

I dont mind $3

[pale wolf]

can someone literally explain to me how both burglar and rebate can be considered "good" by the so called "elite tier" of "gold stakers"?? acting so high and mighty when your Contradictions Exceed Yourself. be checked.

[ancient gyro]

with 3 discards mind you

[wintry ice]

every conditional joker can

[vocal rose]

true

[turbid nova]

I just play big hand 👍

[vocal rose]

then tbh I think the eye should go on there

well

idk

[wintry ice]

big hands aren't always available

[ancient gyro]

wall/needle requires the same amount of scoring per hand

[vocal rose]

I can see that its very close to the top

[wintry ice]

that's literally the reason you stated you go for them

pairs are too reliable

[turbid nova]

I don't like pairslop

[ancient gyro]

eye kills specific pair builds but not all of them

like unconditional scaling and what not

[vocal rose]

my sociology professor mentioned hanging chads and I almost lost it

[ancient gyro]

scoring*

they're hanging what now

[vocal rose]

chuds

[vocal rose]

very true

[vocal rose]

I think the only change to the boss blind thing is crimson should be in the top tier

[wintry ice]

the chads are what now

[ancient gyro]

yeah crimson is racist

[vocal rose]

unless you have a god run or a way to change/disable boss blinds

crimson will just do bad things to you

[shell dagger]

my analysis lecture just said fibonacci 💀 balatro reference

[turbid nova]

if it was white stake I would swap crimson and violet vessel

[ancient gyro]

i havent had enough encounters where I reroll crimson over vv

[vocal rose]

if it was white stake everything is in the small blind category

[terse dock]

theyre both consistent money

[turbid nova]

early needle: the score requirement is too low, if I got good jokers I can manage
late needle: my deck should be fixed enough that I can find a hand that one shots

this is why needle is a fraud ☝️

[vocal rose]

late needle

im not relying on certain poker hands to win

[wintry ice]

you will not believe what i saw at the supermarket

[vocal rose]

im relying on my jokers

[turbid nova]

yeah by hand that one shots I mean like glass cards and such idk

[humble gulch]

A supernova?

[vocal rose]

4oak and straight runs are odd runs that CAN handle needle

[ancient gyro]

you won't believe which part of the run you are most vulnerable in

[vocal rose]

but they're odd ofc

[turbid nova]

diet coke

[vocal rose]

just like todd

[wintry ice]

which depends on you finding the material for that

[shell dagger]

umm drivers license

[wintry ice]

this logic kinda just

cycles back into itself

[turbid nova]

idk yeah this is a bunch of conditionals

but I just don't find myself losing to it too often

[serene forge]

I hate Black Hole

[turbid nova]

so I place it low

[ancient gyro]

i think the top 3 boss blinds i associate as the universal threats I spend 10 dollars to reroll or not reroll in case I run into them in general streak runs

[turbid nova]

the lack of money from no extra hands is kind of annoying tho

[vocal rose]

I think violet vessel has beaten out crimson for rerolls but it really wasnt as big of a difference from what i've noticed

[wintry ice]

because you actively try not to use the strategy that's most vulnerable to it

[serene forge]

plant above crimson heart and needle lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[wintry ice]

oh wtf

[ancient gyro]

yeah but you also haven't played with high risks that being playing with a win streak behind you

im assuming

[wintry ice]

i never die to plant even with face card build 😭

[serene forge]

that's actually so funny

[turbid nova]

yeah I guess

[ancient gyro]

crimson made me see god one time on a shark run

[wintry ice]

this is cool

[turbid nova]

crimson once disabled my mr bones in the last hand

[wintry ice]

joker that benefits from large hands

looks inside

pairs

[turbid nova]

but I survived

[wintry ice]

pairs are the "looks inside" of gold stake

simply put

[vocal rose]

that was just a byproduct of nebula

[wintry ice]

of course 😭

[vocal rose]

I was playing 4oak

full house

[wintry ice]

i can't wait for nebula to be 3x more fun with the blue stake rework

telescope on large hands is fun

[vocal rose]

I love telescope sm

[vocal rose]

to the point where

[ancient gyro]

im indifferent

[vocal rose]

im a little concerned about it being B tier

putting nebula deck aside

[serene forge]

losing to plant is skill issue

[vocal rose]

it just enables pair spam so much more

if taking telescope doesnt destroy interest planet packs are just immensely more powerful

[ancient gyro]

telescope is decent but it doesn't guarantee chip scaling every shop and takes a moment to get online

[vocal rose]

I feel like you'd already have something supporting the pair spam so not getting the mercury scaling isn't toooooo bad

[serene forge]

cryptid over medium hurts ngl

[vocal rose]

its a little different on nebula tho

[keen night]

Yorick run other joker decorations tbh

[versed sable]

can y'all judge my list
i'm curious

[vocal rose]

I also think directors cut can go in A tier

I might even put it in a but cooler

[ancient gyro]

prob another unfair influence but blue seals are more reliable

[compact gazelle]

what did psychic ever do to you 😭

[vocal rose]

blue seals can die

let me enjoy my balanced game

[wintry ice]

telescope is likely going from my least favorite voucher to top 5 with +1 discard

[serene forge]

plant too high

[versed sable]

ig that should go down lmao
i just autopiloted it up there and then didn't change it, cause endless mode player

[ancient gyro]

I was debating on that but it cost 10 bucks and you can still run into worse bosses

[wintry ice]

honestly this has the same weight as comparing rocket to rebate

[turbid nova]

What round did you lose to acorn

[ancient gyro]

maybe

[turbid nova]

Ante 1 rocket goes crazy tho

[wintry ice]

acorn is in it's own tier of easy

[versed sable]

it's just like
if you're using bp/bs, or if you have two +mult jokers
but still could go down yeah

[ancient gyro]

not all rockets are a1

and rebate still earns more

[vocal rose]

im gonna be honest

[wintry ice]

you can nullify the gimmick by holding a joker before playing against the bosd

[vocal rose]

that problem is so prevalent in ante 8

[turbid nova]

If you do the grabbing a joker trick you can move a joker you want to the left

[versed sable]

yea ik
sometimes that doesn't fix everything but ig it's

not enough of an issue

[knotty zodiac]

rebate a1 > rocket a1. money now is better than money later

[turbid nova]

For blueprint it’s a bit trickier you’d have to slow the game down and see how they trigger

[vocal rose]

it what kind of makes me not want to rate it too high

[compact gazelle]

if you need your joker ordering to beat acorn you’re dead to any other showdown blind

[pale wolf]

mfw i dont wanna reroll

[turbid nova]

Yeah and I guess rebate can be copied

[ancient gyro]

oh I was thinking the opposite lol

since there's only 5 finisher blinds

you have more clarity to plan ahead

[knotty zodiac]

hm vs todolist wdyt?

[vocal rose]

im alot of my runs I've had so much more issues rerolling vv into crimson and crimson into vv

[pale wolf]

tdl is on flush atm so

[turbid nova]

I think in 1.1 he could add more and buff acorn

[vocal rose]

than any boss rerolling prior to ante 8

[wintry ice]

i feel like vessel is much less of an issue on painted

... which is a given since it's the deck where large hands are encouraged

[versed sable]

thoughts on my endless mode blind tier list? :D

[humble gulch]

Shuffles your jokers every hand

[tropic blade]

play 5 cards is lowK green

[ancient gyro]

im unsure if he's keen on adding more finisher blinds going off of what he's been chatting about in server chat over the past month

[turbid nova]

I think just not letting you do the grabbing a joker at the start trick is already a good enough buff

Like when it shuffles the game yanks it out of your cursor

[ancient gyro]

if he's changing that interaction, then it will also apply to cards face down bosses which removes a cool gimmick in those bosses

[compact gazelle]

make it shuffle constantly until 1 hand is played

[wintry ice]

making it shuffle every hand would make it as annoying as cheart

unless you do the trick of dragging the +mult joker to the front

[knotty zodiac]

adhd nightmare

[ancient gyro]

grabs joker every hand 🗣️

[wintry ice]

which would make it more tedious than anything

[turbid nova]

It shuffles after you play the hand

That could either do nothing or instakill the run

But that’s too luck reliant

Then again crimson heart exists

[compact gazelle]

amber acorn rearranging my obelisk campfire campfire hologram duo

[wintry ice]

cheart and wall dropping 1 tier with +1 discard

[turbid nova]

Yeah exactly if it’s all effects and xmult it does nothing

[pale wolf]

acorn completely randomizing order during scoring would be hilarious

[knotty zodiac]

i like the idea of making copy jokers unreliable

[turbid nova]

Blueprint gets moved to the right and brainstorm to the left

[compact gazelle]

don’t hear me out
acorn replacing your jokers with other jokers

[knotty zodiac]

lmao. each hand, destroy a random joker and gives a judgment (when space exists)

[compact gazelle]

bye yorick
here have a flower pot

[knotty zodiac]

byebye 10x constellation, here's a showman

[vocal rose]

tierlist talk heres things that I wanna press more into 🐴 🐴 sly joker in D tier hurts a little as its 3 mercuries like that, juggler and drunkard seem pretty low to me in C tier both are jokers I would take strictly eternal which says a lot more about them than other jokers within the same tier, mystic summit in C tier hurts ALOT it hurts so much pls move it up, snova I think belongs in the top 50 its consistent enough to warrant that I think

[ancient gyro]

maybe

[vocal rose]

I think the trio is a little too close to seeing double and the duo

[compact gazelle]

your core +mult is gone and now you have a unscaled square joker in its place

[ancient gyro]

x3 with other x mults have a higher scoring ceiling than x2s for comparison

[compact gazelle]

don’t you mean duo- and duo

:3

[vocal rose]

duo- and duo

[vocal rose]

I might be too pair brained

[knotty zodiac]

ok for actual playability i think itd be interesting if it was one joker that round at the start

[compact gazelle]

Balatro player here. What’s a brain?

[knotty zodiac]

but its a bit too crimsonish

[compact gazelle]

verdant leaf lite but also dumber

[ancient gyro]

this list was brought to you by a unfettered pairless++ bum

[knotty zodiac]

did you finish pairless++?

[ancient gyro]

I haven't played in like a week

[vocal rose]

I also think jolly joker can maaaaaaybe move into C tier

[ancient gyro]

idek where I put him lol

[vocal rose]

jolly and sly are in D tier

[knotty zodiac]

ah it sounded like you finished from that statement

[vocal rose]

which hurts a tiny bit

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[ancient gyro]

o

[vocal rose]

but your D tier might be my C-B tier

[ancient gyro]

victoria list

[ancient gyro]

yeah don't look into the letters all that much

[wintry ice]

ecto is probably worth i think

[ancient gyro]

the drop off comes when the letters go back to all caps

[vocal rose]

im mostly looking comparatively to the jokers surrounding it if I'm focused on one specific joker

[pale wolf]

beautiful

[wintry ice]

negative rebate hell yeah

[turbid nova]

Interesting how you ranked the suit ones

[vocal rose]

I cant really say that satellite is close to del grat

[turbid nova]

Blackboard fan detected

[vocal rose]

its a bad econ joker but

del grat is the baron of econ jokers

[knotty zodiac]

del grat >>>> satellite

[ancient gyro]

e tier is the start of what I can consider taking as an eternal

[vocal rose]

woahhhhhhh

I did NOT see that coming

[wintry ice]

the suit bosses don't affect blackboard

[ancient gyro]

oh I had to sort them by joker type

[vocal rose]

word

[wintry ice]

but you're more likely to run agate and arrowhead than bloodstone

[vocal rose]

address me

[wintry ice]

and rough gem isn't a scoring joker so

[knotty zodiac]

satellite is so winmore

you have econ? here's some more

[vocal rose]

is it??

[ancient gyro]

satellite is the fortune teller of econ jokers

[knotty zodiac]

delgrat goes to work round 1

[turbid nova]

Yeah but with blackboard you’d probably fix your deck towards those two suits

[vocal rose]

you dont really need HUGE econ to get satellite to $3-4

[ancient gyro]

and rewards you with being rich later if youre rich now

[knotty zodiac]

you dont need any econ to use delgrat

[vocal rose]

its not hard getting that if you're hitting interest cap atleast

[ancient gyro]

with some scoring benefit ig

[vocal rose]

delgrat takes econ/scoring/value away

[knotty zodiac]

dont get me wrong, once im at interest cap and 2 planets, i take satellite

[ancient gyro]

you're generally going to have 3 different planets used

[knotty zodiac]

but delgrat is clutch and satellite isnt

[terse vale]

you can alway play into a speculative satellite with picking planets you haven’t picked if its a bad pack

[ancient gyro]

delgrat doesn't crash as soon as I wanna see my deck

[terse vale]

delgrat is never clutch

[vocal rose]

I think the time WHEN you find either is what matters so much

[terse vale]

maybe ante 3.. but thats like it

[vocal rose]

speculative satellite CAN work

but early del grat when you can play 2 mid hands and one strong one to win

no comparison

[turbid nova]

Delgrat?

oh nvm got it

[vocal rose]

beyond ante 1-2 and a little bit of 3 del grat just hits a fat brick wall

[turbid nova]

It’s pretty good on plasma and checkered ngl

[vocal rose]

painted too

thinking stickers too

I'd be willing to take an eternal satellite as well

del grat no

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[ancient gyro]

delgrat

early game you're digging for 5 card hands

mid/late game youre digging for card value

😐

[serene forge]

I used to think satellite was worse than delgrat but delgrat is pretty obviously worse to me now

[vocal rose]

I hate rebate

[terse vale]

usually in ante 2 delgrat can cruise cus you’d probably have fine scoring by then

[ancient gyro]

prob

[turbid nova]

I’m not having delgrat even midgame

Falls of super hard

[terse vale]

probably

[turbid nova]

Unless I have like green joker or smth

[serene forge]

delgrat is rebate if it was horseshit

[humble gulch]

I like delgrat

[ancient gyro]

i might have a seed that required delgrat usage to not die on black gs

eternal del grat*

[devout roost]

now what exactly is sly doing here :(

80 chips is a lot of chips bro

i cant lie

[vocal rose]

sly is 50 chips

[knotty zodiac]

think im a bit biased toward jokers that are good early in tier lists since thats the danger zone for a lot of lowroll runs

[ancient gyro]

50

[devout roost]

50 chips is a lot of chips bro

[vocal rose]

but I still dont think its d tier worthy

[devout roost]

sorry was confused with devious

[ancient gyro]

realistically it's probably a b-

[terse vale]

oh gosh whats this

[ancient gyro]

i just like alphabets

and soup

[devout roost]

why people defending delayed grat that guy sucks

stinky joker

[humble gulch]

Uhm

[ancient gyro]

gguh

[vocal rose]

mini criticisms of tierlist

[turbid nova]

It’s a solid C for me

[vocal rose]

the entire tierlist is pretty good

[devout roost]

you can win every gold stake run without taking delayed grat so i just skip it everytime 😎

no scoring = no good

thats what i say

[humble gulch]

Shit

[cosmic sun]

Realistically Delgrat is not Baron tier and it's interesting to see it always being pitted up versus Satellite which obviously has a higher ceiling but starts from nothing.

[worthy tinsel]

Hmm econ

[wintry ice]

not like i already won or anything

[ancient gyro]

boy do I have a seed for you

[terse vale]

trio :? I think

[wintry ice]

what the fuck

[vocal rose]

oh hi there

[devout roost]

droll joker 😻

[cosmic sun]

And not to be unfair but Cloud 9 starts at $4 and Golden Joker is also a common that is $4

[vocal rose]

wondering if I open buffoon for potential econ

[knotty zodiac]

challenge material?

[terse vale]

98% of the time starts at 4

[vocal rose]

or I guarantee the grabber

by not spending for pack

[terse vale]

that right ?

[ancient gyro]

idk how hard it is so maybe but prob without a reward attached to it

[knotty zodiac]

erratic 9s go brrrrr

[devout roost]

cloud 9 and golden joker are same tier realistically

[cosmic sun]

And while you can speculatively play for Satellite like, that's not even my first option

[terse vale]

?

[cosmic sun]

nnnno

[terse vale]

[vocal rose]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

[cosmic sun]

C9 mogs

[terse vale]

cloud nine is just better than golden joker

[wintry ice]

place your bets on the score

[devout roost]

i mean how broad is the list

how many placements we got

if theres like b- and shit

place it a few tiers above

[cosmic sun]

MEANWHILE I get a Dgrat that procs several times

[ancient gyro]

c9 is uncommon, can be taken in any condition, can scale, has existing retroactive scaling

[cosmic sun]

In the time I would have had zero dollars from a random Satellite

[terse vale]

e10 maybe?

[knotty zodiac]

20m

[devout roost]

dont get me wrong its definitely better

[vocal rose]

the things you do to live

[wintry ice]

i think this is my highest gold stake score by far

[cosmic sun]

C9 is a good speculative pick, starts at $4, and has various ways to scale it.

[devout roost]

i just dont tend to build to 9's, just whatever the standard packs give me, so when it shows up its just a 4 dollar joker

[deep carbon]

omg yay!!!!

[ancient gyro]

woah

[knotty zodiac]

missed the constellation, 150m

[devout roost]

oh no yeah early game it mogs

[wintry ice]

cyclical reasoning

[ancient gyro]

there's literally no harm in speculatively doing so

and also can be taken in any condition

[terse vale]

e10 yesss

knew it

[vocal rose]

THE THINGS YOU DO TO LIVE

[cosmic sun]

I still don't get the Dgrat vs Satellite thing

[wintry ice]

"i don't think there's an incentive to build towards 9s so the incentive to build towards 9s isn't that good"

[knotty zodiac]

wow i was off by 10x

[devout roost]

i mean it very well can harm your game if you build towards 9's for no reason when you already have smth from a standard

[ancient gyro]

satellite I just view as the fortune teller of econ jokers

[knotty zodiac]

i need to get better at retrigger math

[devout roost]

well i mean, yeah?

[terse vale]

should start playing into speculative cloud 9

[ancient gyro]

how

[terse vale]

when you can

[cosmic sun]

So is Dgrat an early joker

[devout roost]

would i rather build into my red seal rank or 9's

[terse vale]

huh

[vocal rose]

how

[vocal rose]

what

[terse vale]

where did the red seal rank come from

[ancient gyro]

I don't care for red seals in gs

[wintry ice]

you're speculating on speculation

[ancient gyro]

also red seal relevance 😐

[devout roost]

i mentioned standards

[knotty zodiac]

theres some grimbo/banner synergy but ya i try to replace it when i can

[wintry ice]

refund

[devout roost]

i do

its econ

free money

[ancient gyro]

and a 9 isn't 😐

[versed sable]

i think the point is that if you have something good, like a purple seal, then yeah you should probably copy it
but if you find a random strength then you might as well strength some 8s into 9s or somethin

[cosmic sun]

Because if you compare an early multer to a weak scaler like Fortune Teller then the practicality of an early multer would be a lot of points towards Dgrat

[devout roost]

9 isnt most of the time, no

[terse vale]

I mean 9s don’t just come from standard packs

[vocal rose]

SO IS C9?

[ancient gyro]

what is this backwards logic

[devout roost]

not for getting nines

[terse vale]

you can death and strength them :???

[wintry ice]

and neither are red seals so

[devout roost]

dude

[wintry ice]

what's the point here

[devout roost]

do you not see the situation

[vocal rose]

dude

[devout roost]

im saying

[vocal rose]

no

[terse vale]

lad

[vocal rose]

I dont

[terse vale]

b

ru

[ancient gyro]

none of us are getting what you're putting down

[devout roost]

it can hurt your run to build into 9's, if you already have a rank that has a benifical edition or seal

[terse vale]

if?

[tough ruin]

I was just trying to set up a save file for seeded runs with plasma and no trio, and I just so happened to accidentally play no 3oak on blue stake, I legit fumbled the cards.

[vocal rose]

this is just speculation on speculation

[ancient gyro]

if statement 🥀

[devout roost]

he literally mentioned the exact scenario

[devout roost]

you said it????

[terse vale]

meet potential circumstance

[devout roost]

you literally said it lmao

[wintry ice]

it can be harmful to build towards face cards if you have wee

[vocal rose]

if and but never is

[ancient gyro]

what did i say

[devout roost]

almost always better to build into your econ but alr

[wintry ice]

do you see how inconsistent your logic is

[humble gulch]

Huh

[cosmic sun]

Don't put scoring on face cards ez

[vocal rose]

what did they say

[terse vale]

strength the seal into a 9 if you can

[devout roost]

you said it doesnt harm you to build into 9's

[cosmic sun]

Put money printers on them

[terse vale]

or build 9s on the side

death isn’t harmful !

[devout roost]

i mentioned scenarios where it could

[knotty zodiac]

edge case: cloud 9 can be a bit worse from immo

[terse vale]

in balatro

[ancient gyro]

no it doesnt

[devout roost]

which diminshes the value of cloud 9

[ancient gyro]

😐

[devout roost]

it can, if you prioritize it over other stuff

[cosmic sun]

If a money printing King gets debuffed then the worst thing that happens is you don't get money not that you die from relying on it for scoring

[devout roost]

this is like basic resource management

[terse vale]

bro

[ancient gyro]

use an "is" statement next time

[devout roost]

dont build into face cards 💔

[devout roost]

alrighty

[vocal rose]

if statement warrior

[ancient gyro]

don't build into face card scoring*

if able

[devout roost]

no offense but i dont trust your opinions over @ancient gyro

[cosmic sun]

Midas Mask is a thing

[ancient gyro]

bruh

[devout roost]

okay well i mean get those up

[vocal rose]

thats perfectly fine

[cosmic sun]

And yes

[devout roost]

dont rely on them for scoring though

[cosmic sun]

Do not rely on Faces for scoring

Like I clearly said

[devout roost]

yup

[ancient gyro]

zoahl was probably what got me to make this tier list in the first place

[knotty zodiac]

so make the optimal rank when you can and 9s when you cant right..?

[devout roost]

sorry didnt see, getting spam pinged

[devout roost]

i have seen your takes, they seem reasonable, i have no idea who he is or what he knows about balatro

its nothing personal

[wintry ice]

it's not their fault that discord hates UX

[terse vale]

sometimes its ok

[cosmic sun]

I still like Dgrat more

[terse vale]

cus sometimes you will build into 9s

[wintry ice]

his takes are mostly reasonable

[vocal rose]

anyways speculatively building towards cloud 9 isn't harmful since you arent deck fixing so much that fixing into another 9 is going to outright HARM your build EVEN with a red seal already in play

[wintry ice]

you can take it from me because i've actually interacted with him

[ancient gyro]

that's fair

[devout roost]

its not just a red seal

[wintry ice]

do i just

try to force the sticker

[knotty zodiac]

ig it mildly hurts 8ball

[devout roost]

remember its like a hypothetical

anything you might want to be building into from a standard is the main point

[cosmic sun]

All satellite does is make me consider planet packs slightly more

[vocal rose]

because with your scenario of a red seal you can STILL bottom deck that red seal and gain zero value from it

[wintry ice]

don't base your arguments about a roguelike on hypotheticals

[devout roost]

sure sure, thats why you deckfix it

[cosmic sun]

Which is just planets outside of mercury

[devout roost]

C9 is literally speculative, your argument is also hypothetical

?

[wintry ice]

how?

[devout roost]

😭

read

[ancient gyro]

similar reason to deck fix towards c9 as are speculative blackboards and certain enhancements/seals on certain ranks/suits

[wintry ice]

i have read

[devout roost]

re-read the conversation above

you missed something

[wintry ice]

i have

what did i miss

[zinc flame]

Bojack horseman was so peak

[devout roost]

okay like C9 is good because you can theoetically have a bunch of 9's and have it print money for you

[ancient gyro]

no harm, low risk, high reward

[devout roost]

theyre argue for it being much better than golden joker because of that

[terse vale]

well 4 dollars still isn’t bad

[cosmic sun]

show changed my life ngl

[wintry ice]

well it is

[vocal rose]

is the scenario "deck fix 9s without cloud 9 whilst having a red seal in your deck"

[zinc flame]

I rewatched it twice 😅

[terse vale]

yes

[knotty zodiac]

balatro decapathon edition when

[devout roost]

i argue its not as good as i think they think it is due to the fact its not reliable and there are a lot of scenarios you wouldnt want to go into 9's

[vocal rose]

is that the vaccum we're talking in

[cosmic sun]

C9 is better than Golden Joker because the ceiling is higher and the risk for going for 9s in optimal play is nonexistent

[ancient gyro]

i prefer low risk high reward plays, it gets debuffed less frequently than card specific econ

apples to oranges statement

[wintry ice]

there are also scenarios where you wouldn't want to build towards face cards

[devout roost]

no im just saying in general, theres a few reasons to not just strength 8's into 9's speculatively and whatnot

[terse vale]

exactly

[wintry ice]

does that make all jokers associated with them bad?

[devout roost]

most scenarios you probably shouldnt

[vocal rose]

disagree here

[devout roost]

its not a risk

per se

let me try to explain uhhh

[wintry ice]

only like 1 in 7 runs revolve around face cards for me

so idk what that's about

[terse vale]

to be fair this logic goes for like almost every joker

[knotty zodiac]

i wouldnt speculatively strength 8s into 9s if straight build looks possible

[wintry ice]

yeah me neither

[vocal rose]

so in general you think speculatively deck fixing into 9s does more harm than good?

[ancient gyro]

i cant really pitch into this conversation for reasons

[devout roost]

yeah but cloud 9 requires a specific rank, not only might it not be optimal to go into 9's but you might have a hard time doing so, its still free money and nonetheless a great joker but its not that much better

[devout roost]

no

im saying that doesnt bump it up in quality that much compared to golden joker

we were talking about the tierlist

[wintry ice]

i do think the fact that it's easy to scale it's money output makes it far better than golden

[ancient gyro]

wh 💔

[devout roost]

if its a small tierlist with only like S A B C D i think they go in the same tier, if theres nuance then C9 goes a bit above

[devout roost]

its what i first mentioned

you can check if you want

[cosmic sun]

People already glaze Golden for how much money it adds per round