🕹・game-discussion

[old urchin]

got 30 handsize with the help of the best timed burglar bean of my life, trying to find seance by rerolling 50x each shop but it's been 4 antes with nothin. where should I go from here to push ante 32

[void topaz]

its called yellow

[jolly relic]

vagabond is a top 1 joker

[mental bloom]

how is vaga good like i know it gives tarots easily but bruh i dont like staying broke

[void topaz]

temperancee

[humble gulch]

You don't have to

[void topaz]

i definitly had more money then youthat game

[mental bloom]

you got hanged man? good

[cloud sinew]

it's 1 tarot per hand, that's incredible tarot gen

[olive roost]

deck?

[void topaz]

we had brainstorm too

it was 2 pe rhand

[cloud sinew]

oh lol

[fiery nymph]

😭

[vale mist]

yellow deck's considered one of the easiest decks

[mental bloom]

well one day i'll try

[vale mist]

same with blue and ghost

[tough ruin]

At that point just get 8 ball and fib

[mental bloom]

but i never touched this joker

[void topaz]

ok but like

[cloud sinew]

thats like 1 tarot a round not 1 tarot a hand

[void topaz]

take a good look at our decks

[mental bloom]

yeah yeah

[mental bloom]

IVE SEEN THEM

thanks

[verbal oak]

You trade Econ for 4 guaranteed tarots every round

[void topaz]

really fathom

[mental bloom]

but they're random

[void topaz]

you trade econ for the tarots you were gonna buy anyway

[cloud sinew]

how can you say something is bad if youve never even used it

[void topaz]

theres not that many

[mental bloom]

mh I see what you mean

[humble gulch]

This one is so fucking bad

[void topaz]

ok tbf

[tough ruin]

Now that I think about it, perkeo and vagabond go really well together.

[mental bloom]

because from what I've seen it doesn't give that much

[void topaz]

i had bloddstone for a while

[jolly relic]

do we like my roblox avatar

[olive roost]

i can't win on blue or yellow

[void topaz]

and i was waiting for vaga to give me sun

[fiery nymph]

💔

[void topaz]

and it never did

littearly 0 suns in this seed

[humble gulch]

I got overwhelmed

[jolly relic]

good !!

[void topaz]

just simply not the place

[jolly relic]

yap

[void topaz]

bro sent this in the balatro game discussion channel

[vale mist]

my best advice is watch pros play

[cloud sinew]

stop posting random shit

[mental bloom]

we're playing balatro here

[olive roost]

i don't really want to tbh

[void topaz]

well atleast i am im not sure what idol haters doing

[humble gulch]

And I'll keep bothering you about that 🩷

[round current]

yay i beat orange stake on blue deck

[vale mist]

even in a few minutes there's endless instances of "why did they make this decision"

[verbal oak]

This was the run that fully convinced me of Vagabond’s potential

[void topaz]

god i wonder how

[void topaz]

holy bajesus

[round current]

just luck :D

[mental bloom]

doesn't bother me that much

[round current]

i got yorick ante 1 somehow

pairslop

[void topaz]

this is vagabond at 1% strength

[humble gulch]

Ugh, what's the point then

[vale mist]

my goodness that's pretty

[mental bloom]

Hmmm

Idk

[mental bloom]

none!

[humble gulch]

Hmph

[verbal oak]

I had vagabond, fortune teller, blueprint, and burglar by ante 3

Crazy seed

[round current]

actually so awesome

i love fortune teller

[tough ruin]

Were you copying burglar before round brw?

[vale mist]

welp I can't make you but as far as learning how to balatro better it's the best I've got

[old urchin]

500 tarots

[mental bloom]

vagabond + fortune teller must be peak for sure

[jolly relic]

500 cigarettes

[round current]

i think i beat gold stake the first time with this set up

[mental bloom]

pro

[round current]

i don’t remember what deck tho i think ghost ???? or something

[vale mist]

people can tell you what they think but imo it doesn't replace your experience of "wow this synergy is powerful because x y z" and "wow I should've chose a over b" etc etc

[round current]

i wish

[olive roost]

is playing flushes bad it's like all i do

[soft forge]

just lost a run with a good ass deck because of a bad negative joker and shitty hand decisions

WAAAH!

[vale mist]

it tends to fall off mid to late game

[jolly relic]

im peeing

[soft forge]

did i mention that i love two pairs

[mental bloom]

yeah yeah...

[soft forge]

like with the right tarots (looking at you strength) it's really easy to set them up

[mental bloom]

I get it I'll try vaga next run if I find it

[humble gulch]

Good

Now you have less skill issue

[mental bloom]

SHU- hmph...

[humble gulch]

Heh

[mental bloom]

not even worth reacting

[round current]

its really good early game but eventually i’d try to fix flushes to just flush houses or flush fives eventually??

[rustic haven]

temperance value.

[humble gulch]

Awh

[void topaz]

W pay off

[cloud sinew]

if you're talking about endless, that isn't at all what should be talked about rn

[rustic haven]

yuh

[cloud sinew]

this person is struggling to win, let alone get into endless

[void topaz]

also dont tell them to play flush house

[wanton finch]

wowzers

[void topaz]

physically impossible to draw

[humble gulch]

What's endless

[cloud sinew]

after you win

so not important

[wanton finch]

but funny gamblers fallacy

[olive roost]

does anything give xchips actually i just thought about it, or is it inly xmult

[rustic haven]

i played for a flush house game once

[void topaz]

did you win

[rustic haven]

had like 20 queens 25 ish jacks

[vale mist]

only x mult yeah

[rustic haven]

yea

ante 11

[cloud sinew]

no, and #🙋・frequently-asked localthunk said he will never add it

[void topaz]

oh nice

[olive roost]

oh ok my bad

[void topaz]

would make plasma too easy

[wanton finch]

flush five is (kind of) easier than flush houses to get a lot of (i think?)

[cloud sinew]

nah

[round current]

yeah it is

[void topaz]

yeah cause you just make 1 thing

[shell dagger]

Flush house is easier

[cloud sinew]

flush five / high card is where every run ends up going.
flush house is easier to fix for though

[shell dagger]

1 suit changer

[void topaz]

not to make consistent

[pale wolf]

Mr Bones

[cloud sinew]

Flint is xchips

[void topaz]

what

[pale wolf]

that too

[cloud sinew]

it halves your base chips

[void topaz]

oh shit like x1/2

ohh

[cloud sinew]

i dont count bones as xchips because it doesnt actually do anything to your score

[void topaz]

i mean

that could be dividing by 2

like they lead to the same thing

[cloud sinew]

you can express something as either no matter what

x2 is the same as /0.5

[void topaz]

but maybe its coded as divided by 2

[vale mist]

mathematically it's equivalent

[verbal oak]

Nevermind, it was even better
I3C1FR2E

[vale mist]

to divide by 2, is to multiply by 0.5 (and vice versa)

[wanton finch]

as someone who focuses way too hard on math
this might be true idk (it is true)

[cloud sinew]

"hand_chips*0.5" is how it's coded

[void topaz]

no yeah its equivalant but like the thing your actually doing is diiferent i think

[cloud sinew]

so it's multiplied by 0.5, not divided by 2

[olive roost]

i still don't really get how to survive later in runs

[cloud sinew]

even though theyre equivalent it is still xchips

[void topaz]

oh is it

[cloud sinew]

yes

[rustic haven]

chat how do i oneshot here

[void topaz]

ok i didnt know that

[rustic haven]

bloodstone or swash?

[void topaz]

pray

[rancid gull]

Bloodstone

[void topaz]

play the queen first for midas value

[cloud sinew]

what is swash at

[rustic haven]

indeed brother

[rustic haven]

52

[cloud sinew]

uhhh

[pale wolf]

swash is at $200

[cloud sinew]

copying swash is better

[rustic haven]

[rancid gull]

But more xmult!!!!

[void topaz]

huh

[rustic haven]

means nothing if base mult is buns

[rancid gull]

I know lol

[devout roost]

how

[rancid gull]

I’m just a bloodstone lover

[rustic haven]

fair

[void topaz]

i mean if bloodstone hits

it wins

[rustic haven]

me too, gets too much hate

[wanton finch]

you can just use dna a quintillion times over

[void topaz]

it might win on average lemme check

[cloud sinew]

that doesnt make flush five easier as you can do the same for both flush house and flush five

[devout roost]

trust

[rustic haven]

wait

[devout roost]

its a joke

[wanton finch]

im not arguing over funny card game i dont even usually use this stradegy i dont make it far enough to do this strat so i cant be the helm for my arguement

[void topaz]

if your able to make alot of a card

if you go for flush five

your gonna draw it more consistently

[devout roost]

flush house is typically easier to mass produce cuz you just

suit change everything

to 1 suiit

and spam

[devout roost]

not like you should ever be going for flush house

like

almost ever

[void topaz]

idk i just play flush house when im about to die and ive got a suit changer in my slots

[devout roost]

well i mean yeha

dont die

but dont base ur run off of it is what i mean

[void topaz]

yea

emergency juice packet

[cloud sinew]

ive had a lot of flush house runs

[shell dagger]

it’s fun tho :)

[cloud sinew]

the scaling is the best in the game, tied with neptune

[devout roost]

what stake

[cloud sinew]

gold

[shell dagger]

gold always

[cloud sinew]

i basically only play gold

[devout roost]

i mean yeah its fine

[jolly relic]

i have a headache i think its cause i havent used insta today

[rustic haven]

chat ive been thinking

[devout roost]

how did you get to the point where flush house was the hand u played

[void topaz]

are you lost?

[cloud sinew]

suit fixing

[shell dagger]

it’s a pretty consistent lategame plan if on checkered or using vagabond

[rustic haven]

isnt copying bloods better in this situation

[devout roost]

fair enough

[rancid gull]

Bro is the thinker

[cloud sinew]

most of my flush house runs are with vagabond

[void topaz]

W vagabond

[rustic haven]

sending again

[devout roost]

oh yeah vagabond you can go for whatever you want

[rustic haven]

but

[devout roost]

vaga is the best joker in the game for a reason

[rustic haven]

if i copy blood i have a chance to 1.5x everything

[cloud sinew]

not even close

[devout roost]

it is in my heart

[cloud sinew]

so it's not, got it

[rancid gull]

Misprint is the best joker in the game because of the tech

[void topaz]

what do you think the best is

[rancid gull]

All the pros use it

[rustic haven]

but 104 mult plus egg holo is a lot

[void topaz]

cavendish is up there i think

[round current]

i really like vagabond too

[cloud sinew]

blueprint

[devout roost]

pretty close i dunnooooooo

[jolly relic]

no sell bloodstone for a chad and then just like ruin the run oh and sell everything else for a chad and a green joker

[devout roost]

its pretty fireeeeee

[void topaz]

ok yea

but like you know what i mean

[cloud sinew]

no i don't

[shell dagger]

bluepritn

[void topaz]

i feel like it might be ancient

[devout roost]

lmao

[rustic haven]

gg

ITS JOEVER

[shell dagger]

lo

[jolly relic]

yeah no

[devout roost]

dudes about to get jumped

[rustic haven]

OMG I HIT ANOTHER FLUSH

[jolly relic]

shouldve just not had those jokers

[rustic haven]

W GAMBLING

[devout roost]

surely youre fine

[rustic haven]

NEVER PUNISHED

[void topaz]

i dont think ive lost a full on ancient run yet

[devout roost]

gg

[void topaz]

it just wins

just read the boss blind and your fine

[devout roost]

triboulet is SO close to being better than blueprint

stupid boss blinds

[jolly relic]

NO

[round current]

ancient with smeared is awesome

[willow frost]

thanks, you too

[void topaz]

i think your fine

[round current]

u got this karu

[jolly relic]

is that the legendary joker or am i missing smth

[void topaz]

damn ive been had

[devout roost]

yeah

[jolly relic]

yeah no

[devout roost]

x2 on kings or queens

[vale mist]

if you copy bloodstone 10 * 1.5^4 = 50.625 so to match swash's 52 you need to prock 5 times out of 10

[jolly relic]

triboulet isnt all that

[vale mist]

whoops too slow

[devout roost]

its quite literally a free win on almost every seed if it wasnt for the plant

[jolly relic]

its just idol but for pair players

[devout roost]

its better than blueprint if plants not in game

[void topaz]

wtf

[devout roost]

its a 64x lmao

[void topaz]

isnt it 32?

[devout roost]

i cant count

but yeah

[jolly relic]

im saying pair players cant deckfix

[void topaz]

just find chad lowkey

[void topaz]

lol

[devout roost]

i mean

[rustic haven]

lol all g

[heady zenith]

Finally

[rustic haven]

bloodstone has been sold

i got tribe

[devout roost]

yeah if all you play is pair youre gonna be bad at other aspects of the game

[frank grove]

why do pair players have to deckfix they just win anyway

[devout roost]

doesnt mean trib is bad

you still go for it everytime you see it (if plant didnt exist)

[jolly relic]

is jimmy jimbo

[devout roost]

they dont

[jolly relic]

noobs

[void topaz]

idol would be good if it always hit ahh

[jolly relic]

pair player

[devout roost]

OKAY BUT LIKE

[devout roost]

thank you

win my arguments for me this is a nice feeling

[void topaz]

who tf is fully idol fixing

[devout roost]

me

[jolly relic]

ms

me

[void topaz]

by what ante

[jolly relic]

im not a noob

[devout roost]

like ante 10 i can have it up

[void topaz]

it takes awhile

[heady zenith]

The child is now a poker adict

[jolly relic]

like 3

[void topaz]

THE GAMES OVER

[devout roost]

ante 1 on erratic if ur good enough

[void topaz]

thats not

[devout roost]

i can do it by ante 7 on like a god seed

vagabond bp bp + crystal ball

[void topaz]

oh the glith seed

[devout roost]

nah just find a naturally generated all same card deck seed

[void topaz]

actually on abanonded with vagabond bp you can propably do it

[frank grove]

that isnt possible

[jolly relic]

pairslop anti endless noob

[void topaz]

untrue

[frank grove]

the erratic all 10s seed is a bug

[jolly relic]

pairslop 🥰

[devout roost]

thats why i said no

?

[devout roost]

how

[heady zenith]

Yall know how erratic deck is seed based right is there chance just like the many crazy 10s seeds for it to be all aces or all 2s

[void topaz]

it cant like do that

[devout roost]

prove it

[void topaz]

idk why i know that its just something i know

[devout roost]

oh word

[void topaz]

ok explain this

[devout roost]

nvm u right

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[void topaz]

why is there no other seeds like that

its only the 10 of spades one

[devout roost]

idk why havent i got a royal flush in poker

[jolly relic]

would be valid if oops didnt exist

[void topaz]

cause poker isnt a seed based video game?

[devout roost]

because you need to get lucky

thats why

[devout roost]

you havent looked for it though

so

havent proven me wrong

gg

[frank grove]

read it?

[devout roost]

as long as its theoretically possible

[jolly relic]

erm actually everything takes skill in balatro

[devout roost]

then im in a winning stance

[devout roost]

especially wheel right

[void topaz]

double oop

[devout roost]

incantation

familiar

aura

[void topaz]

ok aura you got me

[devout roost]

hex

ankh

[void topaz]

ok now your just listing spectrals

[devout roost]

they have rng elements

[shell dagger]

there’s nothing stopping it other than the size of the seed space

[jolly relic]

if you lose youre trash cause like you SHOULDVE taken the god awful joker that scales .1 mult per month just so you can barely beat each blind

[devout roost]

dont diss grimbo

[void topaz]

i thought it just couldnt happen outisde of a bug lowkey

[devout roost]

hes my goat

[waxen quartz]

pifreak did a search of all erratic deck seeds. outside the 30odd 10spade error seeds, the most of any rank is 24 (one for a few ranks)

[devout roost]

you ever score 100K with a grimbo and 2 2x's?

[jolly relic]

oh also is the dr specreted guy actually a real person

[devout roost]

wdym

[void topaz]

what

like

yea

[frank grove]

there is nothing stopping it except the thing that stops it

[devout roost]

oh shit

ok i guess i lost

gg

24 is kinda crazy though

[jolly relic]

the way they play is so slow and like he just thinks for 900 years whether to sell all of his jokers for a poly red card or some bs or like debates taking rebate on shop 1 for 50 years

[waxen quartz]

suits is a little trickier. I'd have to grab his results for most...

[devout roost]

i mean for shit like winstreaks you have to be slow

but no i agree hes slow but like

[jolly relic]

he is so slow

[devout roost]

its how you play singleplayer consistently like that

though on runs like banan-einf hes very slow

for like

a very obviously not serious run

you dont have to watch it though

or you can speed it up

thats what i do

[jolly relic]

hes so slow

[rustic haven]

my flush playing has somehow become 4oak

ok i really shouldve sent all these together

erm

good enough

yawn?

[devout roost]

now this is a flush house seed

[rustic haven]

lol

ez black stake

[pallid galleon]

if you are referring to his youtube videos, the point (hence the title "gold stake lessons") is to be educational so he continually explains his thought process

[olive roost]

i'm starting to think i'm never gonna win on white stake

[pallid galleon]

however, when he streams balatro, he usually does gold stake speedruns, in which he obviously goes very fast

unless you can beat all 15 decks on gold stake in ~ 3hrs, you don't have the right to call him slow

[viral raft]

you're new at the game

?

[violet ridge]

I need help getting passed green stake, any tips anyone

[olive roost]

no

[viral raft]

so what's the problem?

[viral raft]

yeah sure i can send you tips on dm or here if you want

[olive roost]

i don't know

i'm getting close to 30 hours

[pallid galleon]

just keep playing and trying to learn

[violet ridge]

Ok ty I'll dm u rq

[viral raft]

you're still new imo

i can send you tips if you want

[pallid galleon]

if gameplay videos interest you then that can help you learn a lot

[round current]

my first white stake win had a really weird set up it was like baron, trousers and throwback

[tight pike]

Welp

[olive roost]

i mean shore

[tight pike]

This is exactly how it went btw

[versed sable]

beautiful gif lmao

[tight pike]

Normally I don't mind chicot but I do mind this ahole appearing when I'm trying to do a funny madness run

[frank notch]

lucky cat, summit, and buskin all stickered in 1 run

[serene forge]

was there madness in the shop

[round current]

at least u can sell it for like ten bucks if u dont want it

[viral raft]

ok i'll dm you

[round current]

congrats

thats awesome

[viral raft]

don't worries is okay to start confussed on the game but with the time you will easily win

[versed sable]

:3

[still pike]

What's the best way to play the fragile glass challenge?

[tight pike]

I restarted it cuz I wanna either do a funny yorrick run or funny triple eternal madness run

[shell dagger]

Fullskip play flushes

[frank notch]

temperance value

[tight pike]

Pray you get glass joker?

[versed sable]

real

hmm

[ancient gyro]

that won't be necessary

[round current]

i had a glass joker at like x7 once it was so good

cool joker

[tight pike]

Glass Joker underrated tbh

[round current]

it is!

its great with chad and red seals

[ancient gyro]

it's like in the top 20 for a8 gs jokers

[round current]

canio with glass joker sounds fun too

[frank grove]

I love glass joker

[ancient gyro]

glassy is basically makeshift canio

[tight pike]

Does a glass card have 1/4 chance to break everytime it is played or scored?

[frank grove]

Yeah

[humble gulch]

I love glass joker

[still pike]

Im cooked

No glass joker tho

[round current]

yeah its cool

[willow frost]

this gif crazy lol

[ancient gyro]

retriggers do not increase probabilities of breaking

[frank grove]

Scored, only does the 1/4 once per glass card at the end of scoring

[olive roost]

i still have no idea how hard white stake is even supposed to be cuz this shit is impossible

[frank notch]

just play high card

or like fullskip

[tight pike]

I see, that's why those fucking cards never break

[bronze widget]

😭

[willow frost]

its the easiest difficulty, thats all

[ancient gyro]

played is once per hand, scored counts every trigger and excludes debuffed cards to count toward probabilities

[round current]

yeahh oops all 6s helps with that

[tight pike]

Lad wait until you try gold stake black deck

[tight pike]

It doesn't for me

[round current]

hmmm

[frank grove]

That or just a hanged man

[round current]

i have no idear

[pallid galleon]

guys should i rip em all or do something better with my time

[frank notch]

wait until jokerless

[willow frost]

do them

[tight pike]

Wait does hanged man on a glass card count towards glass joker? Cuz if a food joker gets destroyed by per say madness it says the corresponding line

[pallid galleon]

do you think my computer would survive

[willow frost]

yeah

[bronze widget]

3rd legendary today

and its just

a chicot

[willow frost]

its fine

[still pike]

9 glass left

[tight pike]

Oh yeah

WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MADNESS

[frank grove]

If you destroy a glass card with a hanged man it works, spectrals (like immo, grim, incan, familiar) do not work they’re bugged but card destroying spectrals do work with canio for some reason

[ancient gyro]

hung men count
spectrals don't due to a silly bug

[slow iris]

steamodded is so annoying i really need to hop off 💔

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[willow frost]

thats weird

[sleek valley]

this joker lineup 🔥

[round current]

i actually didn’t know that thats so cool what

[tight pike]

I love Bloodstone

[olive roost]

idk what the higher stakes even do but i genuinely have no clue how anybody wins in this game much less getting a streak

[round current]

thought it only had to be destroyed through playing wow

[willow frost]

just keep playing

[serene forge]

this is why you're stuck on black stake

[frank grove]

Yeah idk why glass joker and specs don’t work but canio and specs do it’s a super odd bug

[tight pike]

You'll see

[tight pike]

Fym black stake

[serene forge]

*white stake mb

[frank grove]

😭

[tight pike]

Sure whatever you say

[stark charm]

Gg

[pallid galleon]

i guess i might as well copy the gold cards for the muhneee

[frail cedar]

which one do i take?

[willow frost]

brother you are dead lmao get the biggest number of chips imaginable

[serene forge]

that looks pretty black to me

[versed sable]

banana joker

[frank grove]

Banana

[willow frost]

there will be no need for money

[serene forge]

banan

photo sucks

[pallid galleon]

it caps at naneinf so you cant see any higher score than that

[wintry ice]

fork ooc:

[willow frost]

put it into balatro calculator to see what you technically got

[tight pike]

For context I'm not trying to win on black stake just trying to get a funny triple madness run but its been failing cuz either no ankh or no madness

[willow frost]

(i understand if you cant be bothered though)

[slow iris]

erm actually nan isn't a number

[serene forge]

what's ooc

[sleek valley]

honestly fuck that blueprint

[serene forge]

right

[willow frost]

they might not get naneinf 🧠 💯

[ancient gyro]

out of character

[tight pike]

It's easiest to do on ghost deck imo but I'm saving the easiest gold stakes for last (ghost and plasma)

[serene forge]

bruh

[pallid galleon]

problem is, idk if it will actually play the gold cards after the scoring, probably just die instantly

[frank grove]

Plasma as easiest gold stake lmao 😭

[willow frost]

no youll just die

[serene forge]

maybe I wasn't too far off base when I said white stake actually

[willow frost]

gold cards happen after winning and youre not winning so yeah

[pallid galleon]

shart i should have done the money play last ante

grrr

[willow frost]

lmao

[tight pike]

Is plasma not easy on gold stake?

[ancient gyro]

not a lot of ppl go for c++ on plasma for a good reason in terms of consistency

[serene forge]

almost as bad as black deck

[coral drum]

I found a seed that ante 1 gave me business card
Ante 2 gave me a red seal
And ante 3 gave me sock
Oh boy we're high scoring today

[frank grove]

Yeah it’s like second hardest for constancy right?

[frank notch]

now i wish id taken trading card in ante 1 shop

[ancient gyro]

pretty much

[tight pike]

Oh nevermind then, that mf took me a bit

[ancient gyro]

imo it has the hardest learning curve

[serene forge]

what about this says high score to you

[pallid galleon]

money is good for high scoring

[willow frost]

these are the most mid shops ive ever seen lol

[coral drum]

Optimism buddy

You should try it

[serene forge]

im optimistic that you're gonna die earlier than you think

[stark charm]

Like we get it bro

[ancient gyro]

dreams versus delusions

when setting the monkey bar too high

[willow frost]

dream vs 4 hunters

[frank grove]

Let me add one to the count: I hate bloodstone

[serene forge]

don't call me bro

also

enable exact result count in settings

[pallid galleon]

do you think smeared joker sees gender

[slow iris]

I hate Bloodstone

[tight pike]

So if yall had to rank gold stake in hardest top 3, would black deck be in there

[serene forge]

it sees double

[serene forge]

obviously

[shell dagger]

solidly

top 1

[frank grove]

I figured it out

[tight pike]

Well it's a good thing I did that one first ;-;

[willow frost]

is this setting not on by default? it is for me

[serene forge]

it's under appearance in settings

[frank grove]

Yeah I found it 😭

[serene forge]

it isn't

[willow frost]

oh damn

[serene forge]

because discord is poopy and bad

[tight pike]

Don't even fucking ask me how I won this

[shell dagger]

I can see how

[willow frost]

i dont remember changing my settings to do that but i guess i mustve a long time ago

[shell dagger]

Blueprint burglar bus

[serene forge]

I didn't see the burger

yeah checks out

[tight pike]

Yeah with close calls of me forgetting to bp the burglar BEFORE the round began

Kinda happy it wasnt violet, if it was I would have been forced to sell luchador

[serene forge]

every fucking time dude

[stark charm]

Never knew this was an option thanks

[serene forge]

why do people never do their research on stuff

[serene forge]

beautiful

[tight pike]

Cuz "baron good it give naneinf" is encoded in their "brain"

[pallid galleon]

i just ask the same questions on discord yknow

[ancient gyro]

keeps their remaining fun box intact for their glorp endless run

[serene forge]

roffle videos implant computer chips in people's brains

[frank grove]

I only ever press the endless button to take more ss of my jokers values 🔥

[tight pike]

From what I have researched it's either a fuck ton of red seal steel kings or a very beefed up observatory

[tight pike]

Same

[serene forge]

observatory naneinf is basically a meme

[frank grove]

Yeah

It’s still mostly baron mime but with a kicker at the end

[slow iris]

i love ancient jonkler

[tight pike]

Roffle and his chat are probably like the best example of difference in intelligence

Roffle will get 1 steel card and his chat is already saying "naneinf?"

[olive roost]

i fucking hate the mouth this is the second time i used a hand as a discard and just fucked myself

[tight pike]

Istfg if chaos can't stop showing up I'm gonna send his ass to hell just like Chuckles and Klutzy

[bronze widget]

these invis jokers so ahh

[pallid galleon]

now thats a polycule

[tight pike]

The mouth is one of the easier boss blinds

Hook however

Or a badly placed Needle

[serene forge]

I got roasted by roffles chat the other day for saying that selling the ghost deck hex on round 0 is a bad idea

[pallid galleon]

hornet prolly like "i love the needle"

[tight pike]

Getting hated on for speaking the truth

[pallid galleon]

roffle's chat makes sense under the explanation that none of them own balatro and only understand the game from watching it

its either chat gpt ahh suggestions or sycophants

[serene forge]

one of the people arguing against me was trying to flex their 93% winrate or something

[tight pike]

93% winrate with photochad on white stake blue deck 💔

[hollow atlas]

BRO

oh wait, it says that they're busy with big projects, nvm

[versed sable]

to be fair i was like that for quite a while and i still generally understood why roffle did everything lmao
still was better than average chatter that i see roffle reply to-

[pallid galleon]

i mean ngl the chatters vying for roffle's validation make me cringe more than the people confidently saying dumb things, because i think i saw more of the former

[ebon condor]

i dont love roffle but tbf if i had a chat like him id be the same way

so idrm hes solid at the game

[versed sable]

roffle is fine idk
nothing in particular for or against them, other than "pretty good at game, has chatters that don't seem to know what they're talking about"

[ancient gyro]

thats not to say he doesn't have a fair share of his own stupid decision making on streams

[hollow atlas]

Roffle: I really hate the tooth
Roffle's chat: Evil Tooth Fairy be like

[fallow osprey]

White Stake Plasma on my laptop.
I got past Ante 8 with a buikd including two foil Stuntmen.

[versed sable]

the comments are entertaining sometimes

[serene forge]

roffle chat is just so chronically unfunny

well

I meant comments but chat too

I guess

[versed sable]

i am amused by the timestamp comments sometimes but that may be because i haven't seen a ton of them lmao

[fallow osprey]

I know White Stake is supposed to be easy but I feel like I got lucky with the foil Stuntman and then an Ankh

[serene forge]

there's like one funny one per video

[versed sable]

fair

[ancient gyro]

how do you know this

[serene forge]

because youtube algorithm keeps giving me roffle videos

[ancient gyro]

you don't just block him or anything

[pallid galleon]

so roffle publishes his runs on this website called youtube that you can access if you have the internet. you can click on the videos and read comments that people leave on them

[serene forge]

you're giving youtube too much credit

[ancient gyro]

if it works for me

[serene forge]

maybe it's cuz I use adblockers

my videos have been throttled to hell and back lately

[ancient gyro]

oh ive just been using yt premium on a discount for the past year

[serene forge]

how much discount

[ancient gyro]

7 dollars per month

less than spotify lmao

[serene forge]

this is why you don't get ghost deck spectrals

[frank grove]

😭

[serene forge]

I have spotify premium but I don't pay

my brother just made a family group

[fluid zealot]

1 joker left till c++. Vampire

[ancient gyro]

i like the unlicensed library yt has access to

for downloads

[nova junco]

Oh no

[frank notch]

no way vampire is your last

[nova junco]

Tbh I don't think I've ever used vampire ever

[fluid zealot]

Idk how it was the last one

[modest snow]

i got a vampire + midas mask run once

[fluid zealot]

See that’s what I’m waiting for

Still haven’t gotten it

I’d love to have like, a vamp build and not just throw it in at ante 7 or something

[nova junco]

I hate having gold stickers on early game jokers

[light oak]

to take eternal egg or not to take eternal egg is the question

[nova junco]

Like wdym this joker gives me value for the first 2 antes and then stops doing anything but I still have to keep it till the end

[frank notch]

imo vampire is either really good or really bad

[serene forge]

you don't need midas to make vamp good

[frank notch]

depending on your build

[nova junco]

The answer is temperance value

[fallow osprey]

Egg + Swashblucker = So good

[fluid zealot]

Vamp is in obelisk tier for me

[serene forge]

literally just use tarots more than once every 16 years

[fluid zealot]

Like “it’s not the run…sorry”

[ancient gyro]

vampire has a lot more accessible materials than a lot of other scaling x mults

[serene forge]

I would take it frankly

[nova junco]

And scale x0.5 every 3 antes

[frank notch]

egg + swash is 25% worse than optimized green joker or rtb

and more than 100% worse than optimized pants

[serene forge]

you're playing poorly if that's all you can muster

[nova junco]

you have a jump start too at least

[round current]

eggswash isn’t bad i had two gift jokers with it once

[fluid zealot]

Issue with vamp is you gotta be constantly paying for it to get mult unless you have Midas

[round current]

oh for sure

[nova junco]

Exactly

And more often than not the actual enhancements are better than the vampire scaling

[fluid zealot]

It’s like astronomer but you don’t keep the planet levels

[ancient gyro]

sure

[fluid zealot]

Yeah

[ancient gyro]

which is fine

[serene forge]

dude that describes like 6 super strong jokers

[ancient gyro]

you're given a lot of resources

[fluid zealot]

All the other ones have better payoff

[ancient gyro]

vamp has objectively more resources

as a tradeoff

[nova junco]

I will completely ignore your point and instead point out the 67

[serene forge]

"scary face isn't bad i used triboulet with it once"

[nova junco]

Scary face isnt bad in general?

[fluid zealot]

Depends, holo is just $4 for double the value

[pale wolf]

what's the fewest runs anybody's ever c++d in

[fluid zealot]

And card packs are easy to find

[ancient gyro]

what are you talking about

[nova junco]

The issue with vampire is that until you have many many enhanced cards it's just not worth it

[ancient gyro]

how does this refute my statement

[nova junco]

But hologram has the extra drawback of bloating your deck

[fluid zealot]

Card packs are about as easy to find as tarot cards, maybe a little less likely

[round current]

that’s true yeah i always see it early game

[fluid zealot]

That’s a good point

[nova junco]

Meaning less gold cards less steel cards less blue seals and you can't ever play anything bigger than two pair

[serene forge]

hologram doesn't have nearly as many synergies as vamp does

vamp is literally just get tarots

it's not hard

[nova junco]

Yeah but enhanced cards are good

[ancient gyro]

vamp has standard, arcana, spectral, tarot merchant/tycoon, tarot gen jokers, etc

[serene forge]

so is xmult scaling

[tough ruin]

Just to ask, what is a hornet in this context? I have not heard of any hornet besides the one with a stinger

[serene forge]

silksong

[nova junco]

From hollow knight lmao

[ancient gyro]

vamp changes conditional enhancements (card draw/conditional scoring) into unconditional scoring

[fluid zealot]

Sure but it’s not a guaranteed mult, you have to pull the right tarots. Even then it’s .2 per tarot, and you sometimes have to buy them straight from the shop

[nova junco]

They're only conditional if you can't find them in your deck tho

[fringe nebula]

another argument about vampire?

🗿

[pale wolf]

that's pretty good

[serene forge]

there's more ways to get tarots than there are to add cards

[fluid zealot]

I feel like we could imagine the potential value of vamp vs holo all day, at the end of the day there’s just more consistent jokers

[fringe nebula]

both are consistent

[ancient gyro]

which happens to be the prime reason pair lobotomy has this advantage along with certain card draw tampering bosses

[nova junco]

Tbh I've never gotten vampire together with like cartomancer or vagabond that'd be pretty good I imagine

[fluid zealot]

But even so tarots have only a chance to give you mult

[pale wolf]

vampire with purple seals

lol

[fluid zealot]

Consistent at winning the run? Idk, I’ve won a lot more runs with holo than with vamp, but that might just be me

[ancient gyro]

more options is more options. you can't bend your imaginary numbers on existing sources

[fringe nebula]

that's just you then

[nova junco]

Hologram is very consistent in some types of run and useless in others

[ancient gyro]

eh

[pale wolf]

holo is better than vamp I'd say

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[nova junco]

Just gotta know when you can get it and when you can't

[fluid zealot]

Theres no way you think vamp is better than holo

[ancient gyro]

not by much to the point where I ignore vamp as my last gold sticker 💔

[humble gulch]

Hm

[pale wolf]

holo scaling rate outweighs the inconsistency by a lot

[round current]

holy moly

[terse dock]

Holo is an excellent primary and a middling support, vamp is a questionable primary and a very good support

[nova junco]

Standard packs aren't THAT rare come on

[pale wolf]

but vampire is still good

[serene forge]

8 tarots give you enhancements guaranteed, emperor gives you more tarots, temperance/hermit give you more money to get tarots, death also exists, and fool can do any of those, so really it's not that bad of a chance at all

[fluid zealot]

Believe me I’m trying to find it 😭

[nova junco]

Thats... Actually a good point

[pale wolf]

i went 2 and a half antes without seeing a single card generator last run

[devout roost]

i try to use holo and then get no standards for 2 shops in a row

[fluid zealot]

I agree it’s not bad, but I’m just not convinced it can match holo scaling

[serene forge]

hologram in the code is written to remove standard packs from the seed when picked up

[devout roost]

vampire is just worse than holo what are we talking about

[pale wolf]

yes it's the cheater joker

[devout roost]

it removes enhancements

[serene forge]

I think you're underestimating tarot gen in general tbh

[terse dock]

can confirm i have a peer-reviewed study

[devout roost]

thats like a big nono

[pale wolf]

vampire is good though

[nova junco]

The issue with Holo is that in some runs it's completely useless while I imagine you can make vampire somewhat work in most runs

[ancient gyro]

questionable to the point where it was my 4th longest kept joker at one point on black++ lol

[fluid zealot]

Spectrals can vault your holo ahead of vamp in one card more than vamp can in several rounds

[pale wolf]

hologram is just very good

[fluid zealot]

Ok

[devout roost]

its kinda situational, when do you really have that consistent of tarot gen on gold staker

[slow iris]

photochad real

[ancient gyro]

holograms drawback is practically non-existent atm

[terse dock]

I said it was questionable because it isnt unusable but at least half of the time there's a better line

[tight pike]

Just like any good eternal joker in the code is written to remove any sort of joker duplication from the seed

[devout roost]

you need a premium like vaga or very solid econ for vampire to match up

[terse dock]

No duping is just always rare

[ancient gyro]

at least half?

[devout roost]

but even then you have to sack enhancements

that kinda sucks

[pale wolf]

i also think that vampire and hologram are compatible with the same number of builds

[ancient gyro]

i beg to differ

[serene forge]

tarot gen really isn't that hard to come by

[devout roost]

disagree

[terse dock]

This is true

[slow iris]

i love zodiac deck

[fiery nymph]

yeah

i agree

[devout roost]

its just not consistent though, im not saying its hard but it just can fuck you up

[nova junco]

If I ever see vampire in a vagabond run I'm taking it zero questions asked, it's just you dont always get many tarots to work with

[terse dock]

Its just they play around opposing metas and holo plays around the meta meta

[fringe nebula]

????

[devout roost]

well i mean... yeah

[fringe nebula]

finding tarot is very consistent

[pale wolf]

when the purple seal punches you in the jaw

[terse dock]

It really isnt that hard to find a cartomancer or a tarot merchant

[devout roost]

i mena tarot gen

[devout roost]

i didnt say it was hard

in fact i said i didnt say it was hard

in the thing you replied to

[ancient gyro]

a lot of common jokers have this utility

[nova junco]

Yes but what I'm saying is I'd rather have 2 enhanced cards in my deck than X0.2 mult

[fringe nebula]

you don't need tarot gen to make vampire work 😭

you can comfortably make vampire reach 2.5-3.5 in 8 ante setting

[terse dock]

Dont car

[devout roost]

yeah but you have to sink your econ into it and enhancements

[ancient gyro]

holy yap

[bronze widget]

wheel actually hit oh god

[devout roost]

sorry you right

[nova junco]

After I can get my enhanced cards consistently in my hand then I can think about vampiring them

[fringe nebula]

exactly what you're already doing anyway

[devout roost]

wdym

[pale wolf]

OPTIMAL
BRAINSTORM

[serene forge]

no kidding, I thought I was supposed to win by bringing crafty joker to ante 8

[fringe nebula]

you already spend money to open packs, so what's the difference?

[nova junco]

You have to if you want to c++ tho/s

[fiery nymph]

only difference is you use the empress instead of skipping

[devout roost]

touche

i still think its worse than hologram

not by much

[ancient gyro]

some of my higher end streak runs i don't have the luxury to think. vamp doesn't really care about boss blinds that could potentially occur from on card debuffs or card draw tampering issues

[devout roost]

but like

[pale wolf]

i mean i tried to use many different jokers in c++

[devout roost]

a little bit worse

[wintry ice]

isn't that something every scaling xmult joker needs

[devout roost]

yeah but vampire is just

a lot

[fringe nebula]

the only thing vampire do is converting conditional scoring (and wild card) into unconditional xmult

[ancient gyro]

so more or less I'll prioritize vamp to put it in the upper echelon of jokers to play around per run

[serene forge]

campfire is bad because you have to spend money on it 😡

[hot sail]

yooooo, whats a good modded guide to get me started

[nova junco]

It also takes time and hands

[devout roost]

yes nice strawman

[wintry ice]

it is worse than hologram but it's a top 10 joker in the mode vampire has a use in so that doesn't mean much

[pale wolf]

#⚙・modding-general

[hot sail]

oh shi i didnt see that

[devout roost]

btw how do you use campfire in gold stake

stock up money?

[wintry ice]

basically

[pale wolf]

even better bc rentals lol

[serene forge]

clearly not a strawman 😭

[pale wolf]

It's the only Joker that gets better in gold stake (?)

[serene forge]

cola

[fringe nebula]

no

rental bean

[wintry ice]

you should also sell whatever joker that isn't doing much to get a big boost in xmult

[serene forge]

some econ jokers

[ancient gyro]

that and utilize consumable slots and consumable blocking

[serene forge]

become free basically

[wintry ice]

but... baseball

[serene forge]

riff

[devout roost]

checks out

[devout roost]

yes it is

[ancient gyro]

luch

[fiery nymph]

is this a real question

[fluid zealot]

Trading card

[wintry ice]

in the case of vessel or some other boss

[devout roost]

like youre taking what im saying out of context and applying it to something else

thats a strawman

or smth along the lines

[pale wolf]

lunchador is still worse imo i don't want to hold him as a rental

[viral raft]

use it on ante 8 and you get free run

[fiery nymph]

how do i use grimbo in gold stake

[viral raft]

or use it with stuff which spawns free stuff

[ancient gyro]

use all your hands

[serene forge]

rental luchador is like life insurance

[pale wolf]

sometimes I just hold luchador when I have a free slot for longer than an ante

[devout roost]

im not stupid i know how to use campfire im just checking because i dont think i've ran into it all that much on gold

[nova junco]

How do I use gros Michel in gold stake

[devout roost]

yee

figured

[pale wolf]

far right so it looks like an end parentheses

[fringe nebula]

how do i use blue seal on gold stake

[pale wolf]

[ancient gyro]

tell him to go to school tomorrow after someone else tells you not to

[viral raft]

how do i use invis joker

help

[serene forge]

how do I use Blackboard on gold stake

[pale wolf]

and finally, how do I unlock the scribly?

[serene forge]

it's called used napkin

[devout roost]

play trips

gg

[pale wolf]

used for scribbly

[wintry ice]

it works very similarly

[devout roost]

i had a feeling

[serene forge]

I remember the wiki saying to use blackboard with four fingers and shortcut

[wintry ice]

you just sometimes get more from it due to rentals

[wintry ice]

moment

[devout roost]

yeah

[devout roost]

well yeah who doesnt

[humble gulch]

I think Ghost++ will take me four days

[ancient gyro]

how many wins is that

[nova junco]

e-ew no...

[bronze widget]

ante 13 no red seal #fml

[pale wolf]

thats a mere 38 wins per day or so

uh

:)

[olive roost]

what do i do when i just don't get the hand i need like a straight or a flush

[ancient gyro]

it does not take that many wins to get c++

[devout roost]

play pairs

dont go for inconsistent hands

otherwise idk you die

[fringe nebula]

goddamn

[pale wolf]

true

[olive roost]

i tried it didn't do any better

[nova junco]

That's why everyone plays pairs all the time

[devout roost]

watch someone who plays singleplayer all day and take notes

[ancient gyro]

erm

[wintry ice]

is it like

[nova junco]

Honestly I didn't play balatro for like a whole month but watched a lot of balatro university and roffle to sleep and after that I just became better lol

[wintry ice]

40 or so with the best decks for each stage

[bronze widget]

dna over mime? i found a red seal and i only have one of it

[hollow atlas]

Pairs/Three of a Kind and then pray

[viral raft]

new run! 🐴

[pale wolf]

i got 45 wins for my c++, i think you could do it realistically in like 38

30 would be very cool

[wintry ice]

make sure it's a gold or steel king first

[ancient gyro]

unlocked no losses I'll say 40-45 on average

[humble gulch]

No money

[dry harness]

I encountered something annoying in a recent run and I posted about it elsewhere, but I want to mention it here. I used a Boss Tag and it took away my Director’s Cut. That feels pretty unfair because if you’re trying to save money, you might be inclined to use the tag before the voucher reroll, and losing it can feel really awful if you reroll into something as bad or worse as what it was before

[pale wolf]

also my c++ included a plasma win without any stickering

[fiery nymph]

boss blind reward money 😳

[humble gulch]

JJNO$

[devout roost]

what does the horse emoji mean

[dry harness]

I was told it’s so Retcon feels more important but that’s honestly weak reasoning

[nova junco]

I didn't know about that interaction, it's gotta be unintended right?

[viral raft]

idk is funny

i think is a ratio

no idea

[nova junco]

hors e

[pale wolf]

yeea it's known, I'm pretty sure it's not intended though

[humble gulch]

Bad

[pale wolf]

🦓 it's a horse

wdym what does it mean

[dry harness]

Hmmm. Person in the other server I talked to said it was intentional

[viral raft]

WTF THERES A ZEBRA EMOJI???

[pale wolf]

duh

I'm important

[viral raft]

fair enough

[dry harness]

🦓

[humble gulch]

💱

[ancient gyro]

oh yeah my black++ profile had like 5 runs like this

pmo

[pale wolf]

that stinks

[ancient gyro]

two of them were legendaries lol

[pale wolf]

i would throw more runs trying to get any sticker than care about streaking last time but now i would preserve the streak

[pallid galleon]

i support it

[nova junco]

Streak? What streak

I can't possibly have a streak higher than 3

[pale wolf]

my highest streak is 5

so good

[humble gulch]

Mine too

[viral raft]

should i Wraith then Immolate? i have 10$

[pale wolf]

lol

[viral raft]

imo just Imm then Skip

[turbid token]

Who has the highest streak? I know espaV has 41 gold stakes but idk if there's someone with more

[viral raft]

i think Doc with 67?

idk

[pale wolf]

sui with 93

[viral raft]

93??

crazy

[pale wolf]

yea blue deck

[ancient gyro]

i came into black++ with the intentions that I can continue getting some more 15 deck streaks after or c++ no deaths

[nova junco]

I'm still grinding for normal c++😭

[pallid galleon]

whats a dinner c++

[ancient gyro]

what's for dinner

[viral raft]

what's

[nova junco]

How the FUCK did my phone correct normal to d i n n e r

[humble gulch]

C++ but you need a food joker at the end of the run

[pale wolf]

should i do a white stake c++?

[pallid galleon]

whats a white stake c++

isnt that just c

[viral raft]

iq too high

[nova junco]

I actually probably could do white stake c++ no deaths

[bronze widget]

COULD I FIND A BEAN OH MY GOD

[round inlet]

whats that

[round inlet]

e21 dam

what ante u in??

[humble gulch]

FUCK YES

Free stickers

[round inlet]

W

[ancient gyro]

take a wild guess

[round inlet]

15

[round inlet]

Polychrome madness in first ante is wild

[ancient gyro]

😐

[turbid token]

Turn crt off you'll never go back I promise you

[fiery nymph]

🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

[humble gulch]

Heh

[round inlet]

that image is so beautiful 😢

[bronze widget]

Whats a crt

[bronze widget]

16

[nova junco]

That's only true if you're old enough to remember real crt tho

[visual niche]

there, finally stickered my final legendary on gold stake
Also, +5 jokers

[round inlet]

Missed my guess by 1

[round inlet]

Nice

[fiery nymph]

canio is my last legend too

ggs

[turbid token]

The line effect on your screen

[visual niche]

easiest one to do a run with ngl

[nova junco]

I somehow got a gold sticker on all 5 legendaries extremely early on

[fiery nymph]

ik 😭😭😭