🕹・game-discussion

[rustic haven]

skull emoji

[void topaz]

cmon blud

[rustic haven]

i havent slept

[solid bronze]

PLEASE GIVE ME A 2PAIR

[void topaz]

then do it

[stuck finch]

has anyone ever lost a round by one chip?

[void topaz]

are you likely to get one

[solid bronze]

i either get one or don;t

[stuck finch]

I mean, you got a three of a kind right there

[solid bronze]

i didn't get one

[stuck finch]

and a stone card

[solid bronze]

3oak wouldn't score enough

[eternal flame]

what's worse
❌ -1 discard
✋ -1 hand size

[stuck finch]

-1 hand size

[solid bronze]

-1 discard

[ancient gyro]

this is just
do you like old gs or current gs

i highly doubt anybody rn would prefer old gs rulesets

[rustic haven]

i have red seal lucky cards

[noble mango]

-1 hand size

unless the mouth or needle
then -1 discard

[coral jacinth]

Hand size

[eternal flame]

what's the mouth

[solid bronze]

i'd prefer if blue was 7 handsize much better than 2 discards

[noble mango]

if i remember

wait no

[ancient gyro]

no you dont

[eternal flame]

I have like 240 hours and I somehow don't have boss bluds memorized

[ancient gyro]

1.0 meta with 7 hs was just hc since no other poker hand was reliable

[noble mango]

what's the boss blind that a line with curve

[solid bronze]

current game is just pair

[stuck finch]

damn, how do you not remember the needle?

[ancient gyro]

old gs was worse than that

[stuck finch]

that's how i lost a few of my runs

[eternal flame]

I know a lot of the ones I die on

[noble mango]

ok my ass was right it was the f mouth

[eternal flame]

oh I remember now

[stuck finch]

Like I remember MOST blinds, but not their names. I remember there was one where you couldn't play your most used hand or else your money resets.

[eternal flame]

I have every joker memorized but not like 30 boss blinds

[rustic haven]

ofc this goated ass run and i get plant

im kms

[stuck finch]

oof

[ancient gyro]

:P

[solid bronze]

some boss blinds are just forgetable when some KICK YOUR ASS

[rustic haven]

its your fault

[solid bronze]

i hate the flint more than the plant

[ancient gyro]

dont say I didn't warn you

despite not warning you

[noble mango]

flint screws x mult jokers up like crazy

[rustic haven]

meow

[ancient gyro]

planet primary scoring*

[noble mango]

too forgetabble i forgot and went to play 4 cards to psychic
and died

[solid bronze]

MERCURY does not exist

[stuck finch]

I hate the blinds that debuff cards. Extra large blinds are fine as long as you got enough enhanced cards

or at least a few good jokers

[solid bronze]

ante 5, no damn mercury levels

[stuck finch]

the sole jack

[noble mango]

debuff cards still sometimes winnable at least

[noble mango]

what about that one that choses 1 card for you

the blue guy

[stoic sandal]

RAAAAHHHH

[solid bronze]

WORLD'S BEST SATELITE

[heady narwhal]

play pairs

[stuck finch]

ah, Cerulean Bell ❤️

[noble mango]

annoying af when i tried to play my flush

[solid bronze]

my FIRST mercury card on ante 6 ❤️‍🩹

[noble mango]

bro intentionally selected that one steel card

[coral jacinth]

Hes jacking it

[stuck finch]

man, when i get the brainstorm/blueprint joker... that shit hits different

[autumn solar]

When is the 2025 gameplay update

[noble mango]

would you grab
brainstorm ante 1
on black deck

[solid bronze]

no

[stuck finch]

that sounds terrible

[noble mango]

yeah i died multiple times grabbing blueprint brainstorm on shop 1 ante 1

[fiery nymph]

🐡

[noble mango]

i sold da chad just to grab a blueprint once
died

[solid bronze]

greed

[stuck finch]

What's that one joker that turns all face cards into gold?

[noble mango]

well
i get why drspectred sold a nat neg blueprint for hermit value now . . .

[stuck finch]

That one fucked me over real good once...

[noble mango]

the mask that gold one

[stuck finch]

awful joker/10

never again

[noble mango]

why?
u a mult/bonus card enjoyer?

[solid bronze]

midas

[noble mango]

try vampire instead

[solid bronze]

sell cloud 9
buy judgement
cloud 9 holo

[noble mango]

bloker or grimbo

[ancient gyro]

gween

[ancient gyro]

try getting rich

[solid bronze]

wallahi i am dead

hold up, boss reroll

[stuck finch]

you gonna risk it?

you might get the Needle

[solid bronze]

i believe i had the needle alr?

i had on ante 2

[stuck finch]

ah

[solid bronze]

wall kills me

[noble mango]

you got 2 chip jokers and a rais fist copiesd
huh

[stuck finch]

then you're gucci then

[solid bronze]

welcome to my wackass balatro runs

[noble mango]

well ig it's your run

[solid bronze]

the tooth, phew

[noble mango]

cloud 9 carrying 🔥

[solid bronze]

ah

thanks

[noble mango]

nevermidn

btw how good is the boot and the bull together

[solid bronze]

well time for a quick ghost run so i don't go insane

ante 1 chad and buisness card

6th sense into purple into judgement into golden 🔥

[wintry igloo]

never had 2 seltzer in a run

probs a bad play but it sure is fun

[solid bronze]

imagine this + lucky cards tho

[wintry igloo]

yup, lost already

[void topaz]

i keep forgetting about ante 24 having no serpent

yet another run lost to the cruel hands of ante 24

[solid bronze]

at the end of the day, it's always them

[void topaz]

x12 mult in total

[solid bronze]

1st flush house run i'm having

[edgy stone]

So do I

[void topaz]

theres no such thing as a flush house run

a flush house run is a precursor to the inevitable flush five run

[solid bronze]

wrong, baron pivot

[void topaz]

ok but like

building for baron and building for flush five is

very simialr

[edgy stone]

Take Baron too, but sell it for Campfire

[void topaz]

you make alot of kings

[solid bronze]

wrong cuz ff is 2

[void topaz]

what is ff

[faint linden]

I've done Flush House runs. Checkered Gold and Erratic Purple

[solid bronze]

flush five

[edgy stone]

Flush five with Baron?

[void topaz]

i just mean like if your gonna do a photo chad run that normally becomes idol

[solid bronze]

wrong, canio /j

[void topaz]

canio cooks with idol

cause your chopping cards to thin your deck

[solid bronze]

ig it IS a ff run

[void topaz]

now what did i say

[burnt monolith]

I almost never get legendary jokers but when I do its like 3 runs in a row

[void topaz]

PUT GOLD SEAL AT THE START

[viral raft]

what

[solid bronze]

WRONG CUZ IT'S IDOL

[void topaz]

idk im just saying shit

[void topaz]

whats wrong

right cuz its idol

so it is flush five

[viral raft]

i hate Idol

[void topaz]

fix better

[edgy stone]

I heard the next update will change Idol ability

[viral raft]

yeah sure mate of course i can deck fix my entire deck in gold stake

it's just skill issue i guess

[void topaz]

i didnt know we were talking about gold stake ill be honest

wait does your name mean youve done c++ twice

thrice

[viral raft]

3 times

[void topaz]

ok like

[viral raft]

yep

[burnt monolith]

Why this torture

[void topaz]

what compelled you to do it again after the second one

[solid bronze]

A DAMN HIGHCARD KING WON

[viral raft]

is fun when you used to it

[viral raft]

idk i like to get inf like in isaac

get my 3 files 100%

Mobile and Pc

so with that i feel like that i actually 100% balala

[void topaz]

are you on your fourth now

[viral raft]

yep

i'm going to do 6 files

[void topaz]

lets see if you do all 6 before the update

so youve got like

[viral raft]

then i'll wait until 1.1

[void topaz]

2 years to do it

[viral raft]

2 years?

[void topaz]

seems doable

[solid bronze]

i want it yet i don't have the slot

[viral raft]

i mean is not that hard

[void topaz]

yeah prolly not

[viral raft]

i just need to get better and done

[burnt monolith]

I thought it was a 2026 release, I got trolled?

[solid bronze]

oh come on

[void topaz]

im troling too its maybe this year or next year

[solid bronze]

STOP WITH IT GAME

[void topaz]

propably not in 2 years

[viral raft]

sad :(

[edgy stone]

What deck you play for it?

[void topaz]

are you even built into hearts

[solid bronze]

no

spades

[void topaz]

ok so like its fine

[solid bronze]

that's the joke tho
oops, cat and bloodstone
in a spades run

i almost lost

[void topaz]

you can pop 2 ectos so those 2 extra jokers slots in the future will propably be sock and brainstorm not bloodstone and oops

[viral raft]

to make Gold stickering is good to start with Anaglyph then Yellow when the most of the jokers remaining aren't Common

[void topaz]

is it worth playing ghost for wraiths

[viral raft]

but you can play Yellow instead, Anaglyph is only decent on early stickering and the deck itself is really meh

[viral raft]

depends on you, i like Yellow but Ghost and ABandoned are also viable to Stickering

[void topaz]

could you do abandoned bassicaly jokerless to get stickers easier

[edgy stone]

Oh same to me, yellow deck is awesome for Gold. And Ghost Deck because of Ecto for free slot

[viral raft]

mmmm depends, the idea of playing great decks is to get joker slots to buy useless jokers

Yellow starts with good econ so you can easily deckfix and poker levels

[worthy tinsel]

ghost is mostly to hex the most of the.time useless joker you want the sticker
and ectos
did 3 c++ only on that deck and it was fun the 3 runs

[viral raft]

yeah, also if you're lucky enough you can find Ecto in final antes so you get chances to stickering a extra joker

[worthy tinsel]

If you dont care then play something safe like blue or yellow

[viral raft]

yeah, imo Yellow is safe to play so you can just get great planet levels and then you just buy anything

[worthy tinsel]

Ye
Blocking spectrals on consumable also help

[viral raft]

true nuke, imo some SPectrals should be buffed, atleast they work for blocking

like who actually plays Hex after early antes

[worthy tinsel]

Madness runs ig

[viral raft]

yep buty also you need your madness on eternal

[worthy tinsel]

Or if you decide fuck it all eternals

[faint linden]

Non-Perishable

[viral raft]

also Ouija, why that shit even exist? is just pure rng and is just a -1 hand size, literally people play pair not only because is easy to play but also you have hand size to stuff like golds, steels and Blue seals

i always feel like Ouija is just copium for new players to get kings or faces

[worthy tinsel]

Maybe it was op before the -1 handsize during betas?
Idk

[viral raft]

yeah but now i just garbage

[solid bronze]

thanks IDOL

[edgy stone]

Maybe for Jokerless run?

[viral raft]

is not like ecto which you can stickering or get Xmult value

[solid bronze]

ouija was only useful for me for uncommon only run

[viral raft]

so LT created a spectral card just for a especific challenge?

[viral raft]

Uncommons are peak

i remember winning one of my first GS by baseball

[worthy tinsel]

Eh
It has few uses (mostly if you have a form of extra handsize)
But besides that you would mostly pick cryptid or the ace one if you want 3oak/4oak runs

Fuck forgot the reply

[viral raft]

i mean any spectral with Ehnacements summon i better than that

bloats the deck but sometimes with goodies

[edgy stone]

No penalty is too broken, but -1 hand size is not worth. Not easy to balance

[viral raft]

like Cert but without being that good

[viral raft]

so LT should rework it, just like Blue stake

[gentle basalt]

Btw oujia is bad even when it gives a bunch of kings, kings are not even that strong

[viral raft]

yeah, is just copium white stake to rush baron mime

[gentle basalt]

I prefer 8s, 9s, or Js

Or 2s*

[viral raft]

imo Qs are better than Js

[worthy tinsel]

The thing with ouijas is to do 3oak/4oak runs

[gentle basalt]

Shoot the moon depends more on steel cards than extra Qs

[gentle basalt]

I know

[worthy tinsel]

If I wanted specific cards I would never take it

[gentle basalt]

You can do that with any rank

[viral raft]

also Trib incase it appears

[gentle basalt]

Getting faces is not useful

[viral raft]

like Js and Qs are almost the same but Qs have STM and Trib

not the big diff but that's something

[gentle basalt]

Js have hit the road

[viral raft]

and Js have HTR

[gentle basalt]

Which is pretty good

Quite Better than Shoot the moon imo

[solid bronze]

idol done

[rigid mesa]

Why the hell isn't your idol online

[rigid mesa]

Oh sweet

[edgy stone]

Many spectral I dont wanna use. Only immolate or seal worth

[viral raft]

i like STm more than HTR idk, i feel like is more consistent idk why

[rigid mesa]

The humble wraith

[dim thicket]

is that nijika? OwO

[solid bronze]

that is nijika

[harsh relic]

yeah its more consistent

[terse dock]

Grim

[rigid mesa]

Did you just use owo unironically

[dim thicket]

yayyy :DD

[viral raft]

yeah that's why i said that some spectrals should be buffed, most of them are just RNG based or just trash

[dim thicket]

love btr

[dim thicket]

yes

i like it

[terse dock]

Grim is one of the better ones imo

[terse dock]

:3

[worthy tinsel]

Yeah

[solid bronze]

now chad goes for sock

[viral raft]

i think familiar because of better sinergies but yeah Grim is good too

[dim thicket]

grim is pretty bad imo. aces aren't that good and it only making 2 isn't that good either

[gentle basalt]

Aces are pretty useless
Only fib synergy (scholar is trash)

[harsh relic]

familliar with hologram tho

[solid bronze]

hi sock

[dim thicket]

ew

i hate classroom of the elite

[terse dock]

It gives you a free out into higher hands

[edgy stone]

Not a big fan of Ace, never build around

[terse dock]

the cards arent good but its the fact that its only 1 rank

[viral raft]

what is ts 😭

[harsh relic]

Sigma moments

[dim thicket]

maybeee? but you could do the same with crytpid strength death etc

[viral raft]

very true

[viral raft]

even more true

[gentle basalt]

One strength has the same effect

[terse dock]

Yeah but grim also (hopefully) removes another card which cryptid doesnt

[viral raft]

idk Aces aren't that good but afortunately i don't play around scored rank jokers

[gentle basalt]

Well strength is best in that respect

[terse dock]

Strength needs you to be able to draw cards to up

[viral raft]

I LOVE CERT

[terse dock]

Grim doesnt

[dim thicket]

there are lots of ways to cut card, and also that random effect can hurt you

what if it hits ace and leaves you with only 1 gained?

[solid bronze]

BARON PIVOT!!!

[terse dock]

Unlucky

[shell dagger]

Aces are good tho

[frank notch]

Jolly Joker and Oops stickered

[dim thicket]

i don't think so

[gentle basalt]

For what exactly?

[dim thicket]

they don't do like anything

[terse dock]

They're the easiest rank to build

[worthy tinsel]

Then you hold it by picking it up on shop (ghost deck)

[dim thicket]

all the got is scholar and fib, can't even be used for hack

[gentle basalt]

I can only imagine fib and ride the bus synergy

And its not particularly good synergy with ride the bus

[shell dagger]

Getting rid of faces for bus, scoring enhancements in a high card while throwing away other hands, grim

[dim thicket]

im not sure that's true but even if that is, being the easiest to build doesn't mean that it's worth going into

[edgy stone]

Sometimes I use Ank and pray for not destroying non-eternal joker

[shell dagger]

Joker/rank synergies in general are ass so idc about them for the most part

[terse dock]

The cards dont do anything but the fact that you can just slam them out with grim means you can just blast a 4oak run and not care about your cards

[wintry igloo]

oh great 🙂

[smoky cargo]

nice

[terse dock]

If it's Rick pivot

Rick or canio

[dim thicket]

like yea faces may be a BIT harder ot get online but you can use sock photo trib baron to get them to score well and make it worth it

[wintry igloo]

oh thank god it's trib

[dim thicket]

hey free 10 bucks

[frank notch]

sell value

[terse dock]

Aces also cant be countered

At all

[edgy stone]

5$, so good

[gentle basalt]

6 aces are not close to enough for 4 of a kind
Also the hand needs to be worth playing too, not just be a high ranking hand

[shell dagger]

I’d literally spec into 7s if i saw a pair of 6s in an arcana pack with a strength

The actual rank don’t matter

[ancient gyro]

aces have a lot of unspoken tech in the game

[dim thicket]

they can't be countered bc they don't do anything worth countering,,

[terse dock]

Brother youre assuming its like ante 7

[terse dock]

Yeah exactly

[gentle basalt]

Such as?

I got ride the bus other than these only

[ancient gyro]

face down boss blinds they're easier to locate and figure out other cards

rtb tech

stm tech

grim

[gentle basalt]

Stm tech??

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[edgy stone]

I got an idea, ouija minus handsize in next 3 rounds instead

[shell dagger]

i just think “grim bad because aces don’t have any uses” is poor reasoning, grim is one of the uses

[dim thicket]

it doesn't matter if it can't be countered if it doesn't do anything since being made to not do anything sometimes is not as bad as not doing anything all the time

[shell dagger]

it’s like saying rough gem is bad bc diamonds are bad

[terse dock]

Then make the aces do something

[tawny python]

I NEED SCARY FACE

[terse dock]

The fact that there are few bosses that counter them means you can scape them to your heart's content and be fine

You dont need the pocket glass like with photochad you can just snort glue and coast the entire game

[ancient gyro]

stm is sort of a stretch but ive made some applications with it using aces for rtb or fist in extreme scenarios for an anti plant mult source. works better in cases where you're unable to save scum or have blinds that play into card debuffs

aces late game are slightly worse on abandoned with less tools to make dupes of but that's fine

[terse dock]

Abandoned is straight bait anyway

no it isnt

I only said that for the rhyme

[dim thicket]

i feel like photochad is the build that lets you snort glue

getting pokcet glass is just one tarot cards worth

[edgy stone]

2 pairs is better on abandoned

[dim thicket]

not complicated at all

[terse dock]

Yeah until you get your brains plastered against the wall by the plant

[ancient gyro]

two boss blinds

[quartz wigeon]

just voucher skip

[dim thicket]

me when the dasterdly glass cards, reroll voucher, luchador

[terse dock]

• yeah but then that isnt snorting glue is it
• luck-based
• luck-based

[quartz wigeon]

Yknow what else is luck based

[viral raft]

is just lost stuff from my new file :(

[dim thicket]

getting a full deck of aces is luck based, way more so then finding one tarot card voucher or joker

[quartz wigeon]

getting photochad

[viral raft]

now i have to play all black deck again

[terse vale]

what are we arguing

[terse dock]

I resign good night

[dim thicket]

bwehh rip :(

[quartz wigeon]

I don't know

[dim thicket]

night nighttt

[terse dock]

Nighty night :3

[dim thicket]

that aces are good and easier to use/win with then photochad

[ancient gyro]

who said I needed a full deck

[terse vale]

thats kind of hard to compare

[quartz wigeon]

aces have mr bones synergy

[dim thicket]

honestly if you did it all already and just got cheated out of it for no faulr of your own then i'd just do debug mode since doing black deck is hell

[ancient gyro]

I thought we were just talking about aces on its own

[viral raft]

yep, should i play all over again or i just debug mode?

[dim thicket]

that came up towards the end of the argument

[dim thicket]

honestly if you did it all already and just got cheated out of it for no faulr of your own then i'd just do debug mode since doing black deck is hell

[ancient gyro]

sure

[quartz wigeon]

aces are good bc you can get them from kings and you can pivot later with strengths into an idol build with 2s

[terse vale]

oh what grim is great

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[terse vale]

and they’re enhanced

[ancient gyro]

newer players will understand later

maybe

[dim thicket]

atp just build 2s though

[quartz wigeon]

well you just need to go from Kings to aces

[terse vale]

2 card of a single rank is a great starter for 3oak

its not game changing but it doesn’t hurt at all

[gentle basalt]

Only becuase a random enhancement is useful (except wilds)
I would not take unenhanced Aces for example (btw, how is grim good, but taking random ace from standard pack bad then?)

[quartz wigeon]

usually if i dont have a great way to score or im early i start copying kings or turning them gold

[dim thicket]

but why try to force a pivot when you could consolidate your resources towards just making one build. yes you can strength kings to aces to 2's, but you shuold just focus on getting the 2's online especially if you wanna od idol

[ancient gyro]

1 card bloat isn't that big of a detriment for its opportunity value

treating as if grim was some abominable muke button for your build

taking any non enhanced card in standard packs are generally a bad idea regardless

[quartz wigeon]

well you have the aces in the meantime, more chips than 2s

[terse vale]

I honestly would take un enhanced aces if if I have no direction
also the one ace from standard pack costs more technically, and you don’t get it in a pack every time you open one

[ancient gyro]

I wouldn't lol

[terse dock]

They're misconstruing incantation and grim

BTW queen I lied sorry

[dim thicket]

well yeah but i mean that trying to do an ace build and then get it into a 2 build. you can still use the aces but you should only focus on getting the twos online instead of splitting between 2 buildings

[dim thicket]

wdym?

[terse dock]

I'm not going to sleep

[dim thicket]

oh okayy

[ancient gyro]

he's scrolling reels in bed

through

[terse dock]

It's 11am

[dim thicket]

it's def not, but just bc it doesn't insta kill you doesn't make it good. it's only real uses are giving you emergency enhanced cards early game and feeding hologram imo

[ancient gyro]

why do you want to get a speculative 2 build when it's primarily rank niche falls under 2 specific jokers

[quartz wigeon]

well the 2s don't really mean that much without the proper jokers, im not really talking about planning ahead in hopes you get the jokers, more of a "hey i just found this joker in the shop and I can fix my deck up and make it better than what I have right now"

[ancient gyro]

enhancement opportunity, +1 deck bloat, guaranteed rank, highest rank for pseudo discarding tech, etc

[dim thicket]

ace's dont mea that much full stop. 2's have jokers they can work with and you're gonna get the same results with an ace build or a 2 build withotu it's best jokers, so why not just fix for 2's and cut out the middle man?

[terse dock]

Why do people think fib needs hack to be good

[ancient gyro]

2s don't have any more joker synergies than aces and 2s are very hyper specific

[terse dock]

Brother thats still 32 mult that scales with retriggers

[dim thicket]

the nefarious Hack

[ancient gyro]

mid

[terse vale]

why would you want 2s rather than aces anyways

[terse dock]

Aces also have chips

[terse vale]

like you have 6 aces just copy them

[terse dock]

Wee Jerker

[dim thicket]

wee and hack mainly

[ancient gyro]

you rly think hack has that much benefit in a bottle

[terse vale]

hack is meh

[terse vale]

I guueesss but I feel like its better to get the hand on its feet

[dim thicket]

just by itself? no. but ti's something, and it can do a lot which is more then aces have which is literally nothing. scholar is nothing

[ancient gyro]

one of my last uncommon stickers in my rotating streak profile

[quartz wigeon]

you wont actually get the same result, there's a big chip difference, and that matters if you dont have the proper hand levels

[terse vale]

fib :?

why does a rank need synergy to matter

cus what matters is you have a lot

sometimes

[dim thicket]

2's can also be triggered by fib iirc

[terse vale]

ya it can ! i’m just saying

I guess hack is good for glass

[eager summit]

i got acorn, second best outcome

[ancient gyro]

2s get overridden by higher ranks when pseudodiscarding

[dim thicket]

it doesn't neccessarily but a rank with no synergy doesn't have the same potential as something with lots os synergys where if you don't hit the snergies it's still the same as having the build with no synergy

[ancient gyro]

hack misses all the face econ joker options lower rank cards just don't have which is more valuable than flat out generic scoring

[cloud minnow]

？！？！

[ancient gyro]

aces don't need joker specific synergies for it to work well in their niche, I literally listed its benefits earlier

[terse vale]

aces still have synergy

[dim thicket]

weren't those benefits just more chips though?

[dim thicket]

not any that matter or are exclusive to it

[terse dock]

would you rather have 6 aces or 4 7s

[terse vale]

well you said they have no synergy

[ancient gyro]

more base chips
lack of boss blind counters
helps locate cards in face down boss blinds
good pseudo discarding rank
rtb
stm
grim
todd
fib
fist

[terse vale]

rn i’m just thinking of grim in 3oak terms

[quartz wigeon]

chips r important

[terse vale]

I do think the more base chips is pretty good

and it does have todd 💭

[terse dock]

A lot of mid game runs that die mid game die from chips

[quartz wigeon]

exactly

[eager summit]

I FINALLY BEAT ORANGE STAKE, I'M CRYING

[terse dock]

gg what were your jokers

[dim thicket]

-true but isn't super impactful with planet levels
-this applies to 2's
-true
-true
-2's also do this
-how do aces help with stm?
-what it does isn't specific to aces you can do the same with tarot cards for 2's
-not exlusive to aces
-not exclusive to aces

[dim thicket]

yayyy good job!! :D

[eager summit]

absolutely scuffed build

[terse dock]

What the fuck

[terse vale]

I thought we were arguing 2s vs aces tho

[eager summit]

ramen was my first joker so i committed to not using discards

[terse dock]

is that an mpreg tag

[quartz wigeon]

Todd isnt exclusive to aces but 2s certainly dont have it

[dim thicket]

smeared joker think his effect doing something

[ancient gyro]

primary argument was queen saying aces suck

[eager summit]

couldn't have won this without him, he's the goat

[terse vale]

exactly !

[brave goblet]

flushmaxxing

[dim thicket]

that is true but 3's and 5's do and you can do those if you want odd todd since you can get hack and help it

[quartz wigeon]

also, lack of boss blind immunities is more important for aces than it is 2s

[dim thicket]

i mean he did help me beat my first run os

can't slander him to hard

[dim thicket]

what

[eager summit]

smeared made not discarding easier as getting a flush every hand is more plausible

[dim thicket]

how does that work?

[quartz wigeon]

think about card ranks

[terse vale]

I mean it feels like you’re kind of saying “yes aces have these synergies but other ranks do to so aces are not that good”

[quartz wigeon]

theres a bajillion face card econ jokers

and scoring options

so generally youd do a face card build

unless of course your standard pack luck is amazing

and you get a crazy stacked low rank card

the ever so infamous plant will kill you

[dim thicket]

yes???

that's how it works???

[ancient gyro]

inclusivity doesn't make a certain rank suck as your initial statement was being proposed

[dim thicket]

why would you purposely use a rank that is worse then a nother then you can reasonably do instead??

[quartz wigeon]

if youre running face cards

[ancient gyro]

again what's wrong with aces

[dim thicket]

if the argument is that aces are good bc of what they have that's special but what they have is either something that isn't super impactful or soemthing other ranks can do better then that doesn't prove they're good

[dim thicket]

they don't have a soldi reason to be used over other ranks like 2's

[quartz wigeon]

so you strengthen up some kings into aces and if its early enough ante to the point that you dont need some crazy shit to win, you can just glass as well

[ancient gyro]

2s only have 2 jokers that are reasonably worth making more of and one is rare

[fleet cobalt]

Hmmmm

[worthy tinsel]

funny

[quartz wigeon]

3

fib

[stable rose]

do i switch bull with supernova

[ancient gyro]

im not counting hack

[quartz wigeon]

hacks great idk why you wouldnt count it

[dim thicket]

2 > 0

[ancient gyro]

not how the game works

[quartz wigeon]

we just like not counting a joker ig

[dim thicket]

name it right now

what joker do aces have that is good that isn't usuable by another rank

[quartz wigeon]

scholar

[dim thicket]

that is good

[ancient gyro]

hack requires a second reason to consider it of general benefit

[dim thicket]

scholar is ass

[quartz wigeon]

scholar

[vagrant plover]

Do people ever skip endless?

[ancient gyro]

I don't count scholar

[quartz wigeon]

I do

[terse vale]

but that doesnt mean they suck 😭

[quartz wigeon]

yes

[ancient gyro]

I count interactions and jokers that have a general effect on my run streaks

[terse dock]

Has anyone ever purposefully taken Mangle in sts2

[dim thicket]

if you are being held back by picking on option over the other for no benefit and it will only make things worse for y ou then that thing is bad

[terse dock]

That wasn't a part of like thrash

[dim thicket]

oppurutnity cost is a very real thing

[ancient gyro]

im sure one of the pro basement dwellers have

[terse dock]

OK so I took a stone tablet and I have mangle, conflag, and cruelty

[ancient gyro]

aces have more indirectly frequent benefits over 2s just from rarity alone

[terse vale]

aces still have a lot of good things that window listed

[quartz wigeon]

we arent picking one over the other

if you get the proper materials for 2s

[ancient gyro]

window 🪟 😀

[quartz wigeon]

go ahead

aces are just easier to set up

[dim thicket]

not any that really matter or justify picking it over 2's

[dim thicket]

if you're full comitting to aces then yea you are

[quartz wigeon]

and an easier pivot from a run of the mill build

[ancient gyro]

aces have more indirect choices I still listed more, they will be more useful more often than 2s which are more of a specialist rank than a generalist rank

and yk how generalist builds are in this meta 🫩

[quartz wigeon]

you arent always going to get what you want from the shop

[ancient gyro]

rtb with better pseudo discards if you somehow low rolled a hc

[strange compass]

What team are you on

[ancient gyro]

bus

[quartz wigeon]

green

[versed sable]

bus

[tranquil oyster]

rtb is better

[terse vale]

tru !

[worthy tinsel]

bus

[quartz wigeon]

I like green better bc green is a good colour

[strange compass]

I'd say Bus with no hesitation but I JUST lost a run where I had to play a flush with a face card

Hoping that won't happen again

[terse vale]

honestly there’s no way for me to contribute to the argument because you two R already in it and i’d just be listing points everyone’s heard already and be playinh catchup

[dim thicket]

how is this meant to strengthen your argument /genq

[ancient gyro]

stm doesn't make sense until you realize you get hard countered by one boss blind and some secondary mult options favor aces in that sense in terms of options available in the common rarity (fist, rtb)

[ancient gyro]

im too far in my element

out of things to learn from my decrepit streaking arc

[strange compass]

Green would be nice but this is black deck where I kinda need the discards to clear my hands

[ancient gyro]

bus early game allows you to discard on a deck like that

[little umbra]

one ace away from glory...

[strange compass]

Yep I just got unlucky my last run

[ancient gyro]

she ignores some of my refutes though 💔

[dim thicket]

when have i ever ignored you bruh omfg

[ancient gyro]

wdyt

[dim thicket]

i'll brb i gotta go eat but when i'm back im just not gonna talk about his anymore

[ancient gyro]

i will

i haven't had an ace debate in a while

[quartz wigeon]

aces are easier to set up than 2s, scholar is a common (if you actually decide to use it) so you pretty much just rely on card enhancements. like I said as well, its easier to pivot into. if your tarot luck is horrendous you might not be able to pivot from run of the mill face cards build into hack build (if you find a nice polychrome red seal two, for example), you can rely on aces for scoring through enhancements and other general jokers like chad

[dim thicket]

this is so insignifacnt to the point of not mattering, and aces someitmes helping on a bad stm run doesn't make them good

[ancient gyro]

it's not that insignificant

in a slop meta that is 2oak

[dim thicket]

maybeee? that's a good argument i will admit

anyways though my moms calling for breakfast so i gotta go for a minute

[ancient gyro]

I like to win in all of my runs, not just the good ones. what you said that was insignificant still holds as a good alternative to a scoring source you're having to play with

[random lark]

my gold stake painted deck winning run was ante 1 photochad and i feel bad for not having a less googoogaga run

[vestal copper]

photochad is fake

[ancient gyro]

fixing to have less face cards for low rolling a forced rtb reset isn't a "doesn't matter" scenario. boss blinds still play a factor in this.

aces have a lot of enhancement value for fist not being on an enhanced low rank, something that's more frequently detrimental on average with a common joker.

aces can also pseudo discard as a hc hand for rtb which no other rank can do

[quartz wigeon]

game is fake

[ancient gyro]

game is my life is like a video

[quartz wigeon]

I went into a casino and brought a photograph and ballot papers and it didnt do anything

and I lost on jacks

so

[worthy tinsel]

if only I didnt have 21 diamonds

[quartz wigeon]

can localthunk address this issue

[void topaz]

bro its because you need to bring specfic ballot papers that leave your vote hanging

[quartz wigeon]

yeah youre right

[dim thicket]

bro forgot to hang his chad ararararar

[quartz wigeon]

I forgot to do that

[void topaz]

she hang on my chad till i x2 x2 x2

[quaint spire]

she ride on my bus till i +mult

[solid bronze]

observatory is honestly so bad i almost never pick it up

[lean parcel]

We can’t be serious rn

[solid bronze]

punishment for taking the skip

[frank notch]

4 jokers stickered in 1 run???

[dim thicket]

observatory is so sad

[shell dagger]

nah it’s not bad

2.25x mult for free basically

[ancient gyro]

this applies for any rank specific argument

2s are statistically more often pseudo discarded than aces in psychic, eye, bell, certain face down card bosses, etc

aces are the only rank that has pseudo discard tech with hc, something you will inevitably pull

already explained

aces have more consumable options period. a lot of little things add up

inclusivity ≠ no benefit

fist tech is actively detrimental to lower ranks with enhancements and such

[dim thicket]

i wish i cuold reasonably use it in a run but the times were ican get it working are so few and far between

[shell dagger]

1.5x if u don’t have blue seals

[versed sable]

observatory is very situationally good

i've had a few runs where i have it and i have blue seals, and i just get to like

[dim thicket]

i don't wanna argue about this anymore, thakn you. let us shake to disagree

[versed sable]

hold my planets into mid ante 8 and i get free score

but usually you wanna actually scale your hands so it's not worth it until late

[lean parcel]

Nvm it ended up working

[versed sable]

-# or if you're using perkeo but that's endless stuff and people usually do cryptid anyway

[lean parcel]

$63 to start ante 2 is wild

[ancient gyro]

but I liked the debate 💔

[ancient gyro]

i had a functioning observatory run which was cool even if it's the only time I'll reasonably use it

missed a speculative showman observatory synergy run 💔

[void topaz]

wtf is a showman observatory syngery

[dim thicket]

oh sorry -3-
i just don't wanna clog the channel with more of the debate. i will say you did make some good points even if i still don't agree

[rugged belfry]

i need more red sesals

[lean parcel]

Is yorick a good legendary?

[void topaz]

yea

[dim thicket]

it is the best one

[lean parcel]

Better than triboulet and perkeo?

[void topaz]

ok lets not go this far

[dim thicket]

yes

it's the one you can most consistenly use to win

[lean parcel]

Damn that’s crazy bc triboulet single handedly won orange stake for me

[void topaz]

ok thats propably true

[ancient gyro]

some of these points are harder to explain in words rather than just streaming it against a boss blind. the face down boss blinds with aces was something I stole from a drspectred vid

[dim thicket]

those 2 have higher highs but yorrick is the best for ante 8 gold stake

[void topaz]

if the plant doesnt show up trib wins on its own

[lean parcel]

That’s what I’m going for rn so hopefully I can get it to work

[ancient gyro]

yorick when i change absolutely nothing with my game plan

[dim thicket]

i'll see if i can watch it sometime! sounds interesting

[dim thicket]

here's hoping!

[ancient gyro]

idk which one it is lol it was a random gs video back when he did c++ zero losses

tldr: aces are good suit separators

[dim thicket]

i'll find it somehow >:3

[lean parcel]

Should I sell all the jokers to hex my yorick?

[ancient gyro]

you're not that crazy

[dim thicket]

when im done with my college work,, still have lots of it,, -3-

[ancient gyro]

the fist thing I figured out on my own

[dim thicket]

ummm i'd say wait a bit and then if you can find a good joker in the shop THEN sell out, hex yorrcik, and pick up the new joker, ideally a flat mult option

[void topaz]

yeah prolly

[lean parcel]

Alr

[void topaz]

its ante 2 i think youll live

[lean parcel]

These ones are making a bunch of money anyway

[dim thicket]

yeah that's why i think it's best to wait

[void topaz]

i didnt even consider matador working

[dim thicket]

there's not really an upside to selling right here and nowsince you'd lose money for no reason, you're still gonna want to find another good joker so dont sell you econ jokers when you can still get money out of them

[dim thicket]

matador is despicable and hates you and wants you to never know its next move

there's a reason it's the lowest of the low on my joker likeability tier list

[terse vale]

matador looooves me we’re gonna get married tomorrow

[dim thicket]

good luck getting him to support you

you never know when his ass is gonna make money

[worthy tinsel]

after a long time
a poly red seal glass🙏

nice run

[lean parcel]

Istg every time I get good starting stuff I get some stupidly horrible luck on a random big blind and lose🙏

That would’ve been the run too

[lean parcel]

What legendaries do I still have to unlock after perkeo, triboulet, chicot and yorick?

[void topaz]

just canio left

[lean parcel]

What does that one do?

[void topaz]

scales x1 mult per face card destroyed

[lean parcel]

That lowkey sounds really good

[void topaz]

if you find hung men then yea

[lean parcel]

Then it’s random for every soul after right? I think if I get another yorick with anything else that can carry esrly game it should be easy win

[rugged belfry]

the run is practically over

ante14

ante 15 will be my death

[void topaz]

you always gotta be getting stronger

[rugged belfry]

should i copy the baron or mime

[shell dagger]

baron twice mime once

[rugged belfry]

so like this?

[lean parcel]

What’s the fastest way to unlock the last legendary?

[wary sandal]

get paradolia and spam hanged man to make score go brrrrr

[ionic steeple]

I dont chat often, but since its my first time I wanted to share this non-seeded naninf

[south path]

damnn nice

[fervent quarry]

Would you dare ankh?

[void topaz]

whats the issue

oh i see

wait no i dont

[fervent quarry]

75% chance to lose madness.

[void topaz]

i forgot it would kill madness

ok yeah no point in using it

[fervent quarry]

Yeah I know. But if I were a gambler...

[waxen dagger]

two splashes wow

[void topaz]

no like

the madnesses

[kind sierra]

Dream blunt rotation choose 4 balatro jokers:

For me its Idol, Ancient, Abstract, Halleucination

[void topaz]

theyd eat eachother

[void topaz]

only luck based jokers is crazy

[kind sierra]

Abstract isn't luck

Mostly

[rugged belfry]

unlucky

[void topaz]

i was thinking misprint lowkey

[kind sierra]

That's a good choice too lol

[frank notch]

blackboard, oops all 6es, lucky cat, stuntman

[serene forge]

I hate BLoodstone

[void topaz]

bb stuntman duo goes crazy

[woven remnant]

I love rough gem

[rancid gull]

More like mid gem

[fervent quarry]

Oh damn, I forgot about that.

[woven remnant]

nah

[fervent quarry]

Rough gem would be ok if you had oops all sixes, and also a sock that works on diamonds instead of face cards.

[void topaz]

huh

what is oops doing here

[fervent quarry]

Am I misremembering. I thought gem was 1 in 2?

[rancid gull]

Rough Gem is so strong

Make it 1 in 2

[void topaz]

no thats business

business card with oops is just better rough gem though

[serene forge]

no thats bloodstone

[void topaz]

oh that too

[woven remnant]

not the best econ joker

but I have a thing for underdogs

[rancid gull]

What’s next

[void topaz]

pause

[rancid gull]

You like flower pot?

[woven remnant]

naaah

that belongs in somewhere

[void topaz]

flower pot is gonna be indirectly buffed when wilds are buffed

[rancid gull]

I honestly just hope flower pot gets changed

Ngl

[edgy stone]

I hate Rough Gem

[void topaz]

there is no reason to hate rough gem

it does what it says on the tin

[willow frost]

i also hate free money

[void topaz]

hating bloodstone on the other hand

[rancid gull]

It’s kinda mid tho

[woven remnant]

worse seeing double

[frank notch]

ive never used rough gem before, but it seems strong

[void topaz]

wtf is this comparion

[willow frost]

mid is acceptable but you cant hate it

[rancid gull]

Rough gem isn’t that strong

It’s an uncommon

When rebate exists

IMO rebate and rough gem should swap rarities

[void topaz]

rebate has changed how we percieve econ

[willow frost]

rebate is not being discussed its better than every other econ joker put together lol

[edgy stone]

He wanted to nerf Rough Gem to 1/2. That's really suck

[frank notch]

what about the other gem suit jokers tho

[woven remnant]

seeing double gives x2 if you have a club and another suit
flowers give you x4 if you have all the suit

that is not an original comment I have made

[fiery nymph]

rebate shouldn't be used as an example here

[woven remnant]

I heard it so much

[void topaz]

its like a binding vow

[frank notch]

rebate is just THE economy joker

[fiery nymph]

golden joker is the best comparison

[void topaz]

it gets stronger but requires more stuff

its 1 dollar better than golden joker if you win with the diamond flush

[rancid gull]

Why can’t we compare rebate

[willow frost]

^

[void topaz]

rebates OP

[frank notch]

from the wiki, "[Golden Joker] is considered the "standard" Economy Joker, being a decent generator of money. Many other Economy Jokers can be considered by how well they stack up to Golden Joker."

[fiery nymph]

its already better than every econ

[void topaz]

golden ticket lowkey goated though

[frank notch]

rebate is incomparable to any other econ joker

[rancid gull]

But I think that goes to show how strong it is, I think it should be nerfed

[void topaz]

ok but like

[rancid gull]

Why would you pick up a rough gem when rebates there

[void topaz]

imagine a world without rebate

[willow frost]

unless youre trying to say every joker should be at least as good as rebate, it shouldnt be brought up lol

[woven remnant]

I think it falls behind since it either depends on wild cards or careful discards

[fiery nymph]

however... rough gem sucks because 1, it forces flushes to gain enough to be above golden joker value, and 2 its more expensive than golden joker as well

[void topaz]

because it hasnt showed up yet

[frank notch]

rebate could be rare and nobody would bat an eye]

[rancid gull]

Rebate being rare would be fine tbh

[fiery nymph]

rare econ when

[void topaz]

i mean you could just play pairs and play a flush for money

[void topaz]

ok now hear me out

[rancid gull]

Keep it 5 bucks per discard

And make it rare

Goated

[void topaz]

holy L take

[woven remnant]

vagabond, not really I know

[void topaz]

technically dna

[fiery nymph]

vagabond is actually right

[void topaz]

more gold cards

[fiery nymph]

thats gold cards as an econ not dna

[frank notch]

vagabond i feel is a deckfixing joker more than not

[rancid gull]

Vagabond is chill

[fiery nymph]

except it lowkenuinely cashes out at like 40$

[frank notch]

and dna CAN be econ, but not always

[fiery nymph]

it copies the econ, it isnt the econ

[void topaz]

temperance into hermit is hard though

[edgy stone]

Rebate is strong but Midas can over carry the whole run

[frank notch]

midas is better than rebate???

[void topaz]

i mean you sell midas like

[rancid gull]

Rebate can be copied

[void topaz]

quickly

[rancid gull]

Biggest plus for rebate

[edgy stone]

For long term I think

[void topaz]

ok if were bringing in copying

[fiery nymph]

midas when im playing on abandoned

[void topaz]

golden ticket gives you like 5 billion dollars

[woven remnant]

I love midas more but I can see why people love rebate more

[void topaz]

time to strength

[fiery nymph]

parallel parking has the highest money cap iirc

[rancid gull]

You have to build around a 5 card hand to maximize its value

[frank notch]

abandoned deck setup: smiley face, scary face, midas mask, sock and buskin, and photograph

[fiery nymph]

[void topaz]

what

[rancid gull]

I love golden ticket

But it’s either or the other most times

[void topaz]

ok actually now that i think about it

[fiery nymph]

parking gives like 5k$ per serpent lol

[void topaz]

thats actually correct

[still haven]

Hello

[void topaz]

5K

[willow frost]

parallel parking: face cards held in hand give $2 if between two other face cards

[void topaz]

reserved parking is evolving into parrelel parking

[rancid gull]

This and shoot the moon

[fiery nymph]

oh

LOL

[novel void]

luckiest pool from riff-raff?

[rancid gull]

With deck fixing

[frank notch]

perpendicular parking: 1 in 500 chance to square money per face card held in hand

[fiery nymph]

my bad lmao

[void topaz]

oh hell nah

[fiery nymph]

i just passed my drivers lol

[twilit valve]

Why would you do this to me

[fiery nymph]

😭

[fiery nymph]

whats wrong

[willow frost]

congrats!

[void topaz]

you hold r now

[rancid gull]

Bp better

[fiery nymph]

i actually kinda like brainstorm a lil more for gs

[edgy stone]

Do you think Rebate need rework? It's ridiculous strong as a 4$ common Joker

[willow frost]

its blue stake, you have to blueprint

[fiery nymph]

oh blue stake okay

[void topaz]

what

why

its just worse

[fiery nymph]

idk i rather have brainstorm for crimson heart lol

its a minimal difference for me

[void topaz]

how is that relavant

[willow frost]

you mean acorn?

[oblique raven]

Ok so I don't think I'm the first guy to think about this
But what about a "fangamer challenge"
You get all vouchers tarot planets and spectral cards you wanna use, BUT you have to use ONLY blueprint, gros Michel (if bro dies then Cavendish is allowed), juggler, and normal "Jimbo" joker (and on the red deck)
I tried it but since I suck I didn't go past ante 5

[fiery nymph]

yeah mb

[void topaz]

ok but generally gs has the chips joker +mult xmult xmult

[fiery nymph]

its harder to keep track when you have more than one thing to keep in place

[rancid gull]

Funko pop collector challenge

[willow frost]

understandable, but also acorn is the easiest boss in the game (apart from serpent)

[void topaz]

you can only copy the +mult with brainstorm and you can copy xmult with blueprint

therefore blueprint is always better

[fiery nymph]

you dont need two xmult for gold stake

[void topaz]

ok lets say 1 xmult

[fiery nymph]

yeah

[void topaz]

that doesnt change anything

[fiery nymph]

you can still copy the xmult

[void topaz]

what changed

yeah and get like half the score

cause its before your +60 grimbo

[fiery nymph]

im not score maxing im running pairs lol

or im running straights

or im not running any +mult at all

[void topaz]

straights in gold stake

[fiery nymph]

yeah

[void topaz]

this guys a creature bro what

[fiery nymph]

whats wrong with straights on gold stake

?

[woven remnant]

abandoned my beloved

[fiery nymph]

straights are a good hand

[void topaz]

i didnt consider abandonded

[humble gulch]

That they are not three of a kind

❤️‍🩹

[willow frost]

just had the straights run of the century lol

[fiery nymph]

i want ur biased ass out of here 😡

[void topaz]

i dont play on abandonded like ever lol

[woven remnant]

it still can be viable

[fiery nymph]

its not even abandoned lol

its every deck

[woven remnant]

yeah

[void topaz]

its just like the polar oppisate of pairs

[woven remnant]

painting

[humble gulch]

You're biased too, shut up :(

[fiery nymph]

:(

[void topaz]

pairs is the consistency hand straight is like pray

[willow frost]

we are ALL biased 💯

[fiery nymph]

do you know anything about fixing

[woven remnant]

not if you know what you are doing

[fiery nymph]

and the amount of enablers straights have

[humble gulch]

You can deck fix towards straights

[void topaz]

straight fixing is like the most vague thing ever

[fiery nymph]

just shave off aces kings and low ranks

[void topaz]

chop high and low cards and pray

[fiery nymph]

or get a single shortcut

or four fingers

[woven remnant]

cut some on a k q j and 2 3 4 and you are done

[fiery nymph]

not even you can keep queens and jacks

[void topaz]

ive lost many a straigh run to not drawing with 0 face card in my deck

[fiery nymph]

skill issue

😅

[void topaz]

ok im just unlucky

[edgy stone]

I hate straights, only play for Runner

[woven remnant]

you can make it work by discarding highs and lows too

[ebon condor]

straights actually do have some really fun discarding strategy

[void topaz]

yeah its always those pesky 9's

never show up

[ebon condor]

theyre really engaging to play imo

[humble gulch]

Even if I don't like straights, deck fixing towards straights is so easy

[fiery nymph]

also lets also mention planet scaling

its an amazing planet

[void topaz]

someone loved it so much they put a ring on it

[woven remnant]

a single juggler

[humble gulch]

That's funny

[void topaz]

alright back to magic orange stake

[ebon condor]

like if your ass is holding 45 78 youre gonna get cooked

[fiery nymph]

once you get the hang of drawing for straights it becomes pretty consistent

really good to know if ur using runner

[woven remnant]

runner is so good

[edgy stone]

Do you know that Runner is not good for straight?

[fiery nymph]

yeah i dont live under a rock

[ebon condor]

theyre just talking abt drawing straights lmao

i think you still have to do that for runner

[humble gulch]

if crimsom heart exists, why not add a crimsom planet?

[woven remnant]

it works on plasma since you dont need to commit to straights, you can scale runner to 200+ chips and pivot to whatever you want

[fiery nymph]

it works everywhere

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[fiery nymph]

its a mathematically optimal joker

[humble gulch]

Runner scales really good

[ebon condor]

runner is kinda mid on plasma tbh it doesnt really have the kind of chip scaling u need

[fiery nymph]

since it was designed for the brutal planet scaling

[void topaz]

rebate my first joker

surely i win this run

[woven remnant]

its on better end of chip scales

[ebon condor]

thats true but just because its the best of a bad bunch doesnt mean you should be using it

[edgy stone]

As I understand, each Runner upgrade is the same as Mecury

[fiery nymph]

yeah iirc

with a single mult scaler ur getting a planet every straight

[vestal copper]

a multless mercury

[ebon condor]

which, usually, you need the chips from mercury more so

[fiery nymph]

runner is actually pretty bad with straights

[woven remnant]

I can understand peoples playstyle may vary but chip scales has viable build options

[fiery nymph]

because saturn gives like double iirc

and like 3 mult

[humble gulch]

C++ planetless

[fiery nymph]

though i do pivot to straights from pairs if i need it tbh

it only takes a few planets

[ebon condor]

you need at least 600 chips per hand with 4 hands to win on gold stake, and over 1000 vs vessel

[fiery nymph]

i usually do that over a mars planet

[ebon condor]

you simply arent getting there with runner

[dusty valve]

Chat I don’t know what to take, I’m stuck between the invisible joker, the voucher, or the buffoon pack

[edgy stone]

Runner+grimbo is perfect. 1 mecury each straight

[ebon condor]

there are some chip jokers that can reach there, notably stone and wee, but runner simply cannot

[fiery nymph]

grimbo is meh, bus would be better

grimbo has some negative synergy since you kinda want to draw for straights

[fiery nymph]

emerald in the top left ❤️‍🩹

[woven remnant]

my plasma gold stake was mostly one flat chip like banner or ice cream, one scaling chip like wee or runner or square

[humble gulch]

You don't need that much dopamine, son ❤️‍🩹

[woven remnant]

It was pretty consistent sets of wins too and I am not the best player

[dusty valve]

You are correct, kind of, it’s pokemon run and bun which is a hack of Pokemon emerald

[fiery nymph]

wait its kaizo isnt it

oh

close enough

[dusty valve]

Yea

[ebon condor]

im not saying its impossible its just really unreliable

and your anecdotal evidence doesnt really change that

[dusty valve]

I know, I just like having videos playing in the background because it’s nice having background noise.

[humble gulch]

I-

Why

[dusty valve]

Idk, I just like watching videos when playing games

[ebon condor]

is this not normal what?

[fiery nymph]

i think they meant taking the invis

or not

[woven remnant]

I am just trying to say that mults and chips benefits from plasma decks mechanics in a different way

[ebon condor]

yes

[woven remnant]

it depends on players playstyle rather than one dominant option

[dusty valve]

My run with the challenge where all cards were face cards I got 2 invisible jokers and ended up with 3 photographs😂

[ebon condor]

and im saying that relying simply on runner is an unreliable strategy

this is all that this conversation is about i dont see what the problem is

[woven remnant]

I can agree since I was talking about chips in general at the end

[dusty valve]

I’m gonna take the pack

I’ll risk the 1 in 2 to get a good joker

Or a joker that’s useful for early game at the least

[woven remnant]

yeah, I dont see either

[dusty valve]

I got throwback

[woven remnant]

pivot my friend

[dusty valve]

And I’m trying to get $400 meaning I need double tags, well, time to hope and pray I get enough double tags to make $400

[woven remnant]

I expected throwback to be good on anaglyph

[shell dagger]

it can

i had a couple runner + shortcut + blue seal runs in my plasma++

[ebon condor]

youre right i excaggerated but like

runner alone isnt an amazing strategy

[shell dagger]

on plasma it absolutely is lol

compared to other jokers solo

[humble gulch]

Bruh

[shell dagger]

how often are you relying on one joker for all your scoring in a gold stake run

[woven remnant]

it can be scaled to 700+ with shortcut but it still depends on another joker so I can see where he comes from

[ebon condor]

fair enough i suppose\

[shell dagger]

+450 without shortcut is pretty average with the nature of plasma deck which is half the chips you need per hand

[waxen dagger]

this could be the run

[shell dagger]

that’s above average for a chips joker on plasma far above average for a joker on plasma

[waxen dagger]

its my first true shot at least

[ebon condor]

i just havent seen this kind of value from it but im willing to change my mind

[woven remnant]

looks good

[ebon condor]

maybe ill try more plasma chips who knows

[willow frost]

at what

[woven remnant]

you should, its fun

[waxen dagger]

naneinf

[shell dagger]

about 85% of my plasma++ runs were chips

[willow frost]

oh damn

[shell dagger]

80% of those straight or 2 pair

[willow frost]

i mean its too early to say but gl