🕹・game-discussion

[humble gulch]

And DNA is trash in almost every run anyways

[noble mango]

Duping my +mult queens

[humble gulch]

Not worth

[vivid stump]

blue seals are goated

[humble gulch]

Just do regular deck fixing

[noble mango]

Indeed

[noble mango]

Trading card

I also hate water because of it

[humble gulch]

Trading card it's really good

[vivid stump]

just got a nat negative swash

[humble gulch]

I mean, free sticker

[noble mango]

Noice

Boss blinds do be annoying many times

[humble gulch]

I barely have any problems with boss blinds

[noble mango]

It won't do much prob

If you go endless

[vivid stump]

is campfire good

[vivid stump]

im just planning on beating the run

[humble gulch]

It's a lot better on gold stake

[noble mango]

Eh if you just go through the run it won't even matter much most pf the time

[vivid stump]

im just playing a white stake run

[humble gulch]

Not really, you need good econ or tarot engine

[vivid stump]

i have no econ or tarot engine

[humble gulch]

Then no

[vivid stump]

GAME GIVE ME VAGABOND

[noble mango]

Then swash would add a little nice bonus

[vivid stump]

its not doing much but its welcomed cus i havent gotten a nat negative in like forever

[noble mango]

Btw what's the best deck fixer

[vivid stump]

space joker too?

[noble mango]

Imo immolate

[vivid stump]

card or joker

[noble mango]

Both

[vivid stump]

prolly tarotmancer or whatever its called

[vivid stump]

u basically just won the run lol

[fading galleon]

No dure nada

[humble gulch]

Trading card and Perkeo

[noble mango]

You said trading card was ass . . .

[vivid stump]

oh yea forgor abt perkeo

[humble gulch]

.

[vivid stump]

...

[noble mango]

Nvm read that wrong

[humble gulch]

What do you mean

[noble mango]

Dna was the ass

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[vivid stump]

bananer is my goat

[noble mango]

Banana banner? Which?

[vivid stump]

banana

[fading galleon]

Yes

[humble gulch]

Not worth taking, a rare, doesn't fix the deck, -1 hand and just adds trash if it's not copying a good card

[weak relic]

This is like my 3rd time ive been blessed by a judgment

[vivid stump]

space joker is hella underratred

[noble mango]

Dna is mostly a skip unless you already got a seal and editions on a good card

[humble gulch]

You already posted that...

[noble mango]

[humble gulch]

And good econ or good scoring

[vivid stump]

should i go a bull run or stm run now that ive gotten them

[serene forge]

why horse

[weak relic]

Wait did i?

[serene forge]

dna sucks

[humble gulch]

It's fairly rated

[serene forge]

yes

[weak relic]

Déjà Vu it is

[humble gulch]

Someone thinks that DNA it's good 🥀

[noble mango]

I prefer burnt joker

[serene forge]

its a bloodstone user so checks out

[analog mulch]

I would say this showman has put in work, but he's also broken

[weak relic]

[noble mango]

Nah
Ancient joker better

[serene forge]

yes

[vivid stump]

wasted discard

[noble mango]

Bloodstone prefers to do absolutely noshit

[humble gulch]

????

[vivid stump]

why does my showman never do ts

[heady fable]

:(

[serene forge]

blowman sucks

[vivid stump]

burnt joker also is too rare

[noble mango]

Use ankhn

[humble gulch]

Worth taking

Enables pair runs so easily

[weak relic]

Burnt joker my beloved

[humble gulch]

A free level every round

[serene forge]

"wasted discard" it's literally a hand level

what else can you do with discards

discard for blue seal to maybe get a hand level?

[noble mango]

The bad thing about burnt joker is

When i don't get the right hand to discard in my hand

[serene forge]

pair

[analog mulch]

[frank notch]

the burnt joker tradeoff is amazing for small hands

[humble gulch]

You want to discard pairs or high card

[weak relic]

Js go with the usual pairslop

[worthy tinsel]

I miss ancient

[humble gulch]

Maybbeeeee three of a kind

[analog mulch]

One photo was from an invis

[serene forge]

I hate Invisible Jonkler

[vivid stump]

which one

[humble gulch]

Blueprint but gambling

[noble mango]

Pairs huh

Well i aim for flush/full house so

[slow iris]

burnt joker with shortcut and four fingers

[vivid stump]

flushslop player

[weak relic]

Fool house

[vivid stump]

full house might be the worst hand

[humble gulch]

I mean, that's too specific...

[vivid stump]

which one

[serene forge]

deja

[vivid stump]

on the glass?

[serene forge]

ew

ew ew ew

[analog mulch]

Straight Flush: exists

[noble mango]

Anything that isn't

[serene forge]

yea

[vivid stump]

kk

[worthy tinsel]

lol the head was the next boss rip

[humble gulch]

Strushes are just hard to pull of

[serene forge]

you posted this already

[noble mango]

Does anybody do Royal flush

[humble gulch]

Probably

[serene forge]

no

[vivid stump]

ik but no one responded

[weak relic]

My last joker to put gold sticker on. Not stone joker or Luchador much like what most ppl's last joker

[serene forge]

patience

[worthy tinsel]

nvm I have a X10 cat

[vivid stump]

royal flush is the exact same score as strush

[humble gulch]

I always struggle with one of the enhancements jokers

[worthy tinsel]

sure

[noble mango]

my flushes are mostly gay

[humble gulch]

Glass joker scales so agressively, I love it

[vivid stump]

should i take an acrobat

i have the same jokers as last screenshot

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[vivid stump]

im a dumbass i went to next round

[shell matrix]

I am not very good at Balatro but I think at the point that I’m at now I just have to start buying planet merchant

I really don’t want to but it’s blocking too many vouchers in my runs

[vivid stump]

level 12 pair

[humble gulch]

You can win without vouchers

Taking planet merchant could slow down finding jokers a lot

[worthy tinsel]

rip X5.5 glass and X12 cat

[shell matrix]

I know but I’m not really struggling with the winning I just keep having runs get killed

Because I’ll run into planet merchant like 5 times

[supple sierra]

What do I copy in this scenario with blueprint and brainstorm? Bloodstone, cavendish, or sock? Or a mix of two?

[vivid stump]

usually i dont redeen any vouchers except for tarot merchant

[vivid stump]

bloodstone but if u really want to squeeze the most out of everything than set ur game speed low and move ur banana to the left of bloodstone after cards are done scoring

lets go i won with yellow deck

[worthy tinsel]

Same, one of my fav uncommons

[supple sierra]

I’ve seen people do that but never knew how, I’ll try. I just thought when I clicked play it locked the jokers to the way they were scoring in the. Beginning even if I move them. Thanks!

[vivid stump]

ive never gotten it

what do you know

next round i get a glass joker lmao

[supple sierra]

I set my game speed to really slow and swapped the cavendish in front of blueprint right before the scoring of the cards stopped but it didn’t copy the ability. Did I mess up?

[vivid stump]

idk

did u at least one shot the blind

should i take the chad

[supple sierra]

Yea

[vivid stump]

should i take the chad or nah

i have a few glass cards

[subtle drum]

glass joker is goated

[vivid stump]

should i take the chad

[subtle drum]

how many glass cards you got

[vivid stump]

only four

i think the space joker should be replaced tho

i already got level 22 pair

[subtle drum]

yeah probably

[vivid stump]

and a few blue seals

[subtle drum]

chad instead of space joker is probably good

[vivid stump]

i still havent destroyed a glass card bruuuhh

glass joker is not getting any scaling

im gonna lose on the boss anyways

the eye is so ass

what

i just got photochad round 1

[frank grove]

🔥 3 stickers this late is actually pretty nice

[humble gulch]

5 am?

Or pm

[frank grove]

am

today is for sure the day i finish abandoned++

[humble gulch]

That's not longer late, that's early...

[frank grove]

i mean late in a c++ run

[humble gulch]

If I had to guess I'd say Germany

[frank grove]

Like i only had one scoring joker the whole run

and the rest were just there

[humble gulch]

Ah

[frank grove]

the uk...

Im so glad i got the tribe out of the way

[humble gulch]

This close (not really)

I LOWKEY FORGOT THAT UK EXISTED

SORRY

[frank grove]

😭

[humble gulch]

It's just that I don't know anyone from the UK

❤️‍🩹

[frank grove]

I still have dna and htr to do ...

[humble gulch]

I love hit the road

[frank grove]

Yeah i need to build into jacks though

[humble gulch]

I mean, jacks are probably the best rank

[frank grove]

yeah

i just hate making everything faces on abandoned 😭

honestly if i got dna and htr going

that would be nice

[humble gulch]

Two rares tho

[frank grove]

yeah

[tepid shoal]

haven’t played in a while and can’t figure it out for the life of me
what should my retrigger/scoring balance be?

[humble gulch]

It should be balanced out

In favor of the scoring

[tepid shoal]

got it, thanks

[compact jewel]

How do I mute this channel now and forever

I don't want to see it once

[heavy heron]

the moon is deceased once more

[shell matrix]

I sell mine here, right?

[quartz crypt]

yah

[wind cairn]

yee

[humble gulch]

In phone you have to disable it manually here

Well, it's in spanish but anyways

[latent yew]

Lost but its ok

[bitter nest]

I've already been playing for 13 hours, I've reached the seventh ante, I'm about to finish my first run in this game

[teal latch]

Beautiful start innit?

[bitter nest]

Hologram is my new favorite Joker, I hope to see him soon in my next run

My most broken run was with Half, Hologram, Baseball card, Acrobats, and Luchador

That run was ruined because I didn't use the Luchador; I thought I could handle a boss blind, but it ended up ruining the whole run

[humble gulch]

You need good econ or a joker that adds cards, but besides that, hologram it's really strong

[bitter nest]

At the beginning of that run I also had Marble

I sold it when Hologram already had a 10x multiplier

[plain briar]

is it worth taking bp and skipping?

[tardy spade]

will turtle bean be patched in the next update?

[tardy spade]

you may not have to skip that much even

you're on ante 7

[frank grove]

i hate vv

[tardy spade]

rip

that's why I've been taking director's cut more often on gold stake

[frank grove]

i wish i found director cut

i could've taken a blackboard and won but i need these last few stickers for abandoned++ and i had no space 💔

[noble mango]

ngl violet vessel despite just making the score go up and not debuffing or annoying gimmick

was actually hardf

[tardy spade]

probably the hardest ante 8 boss blind

verdant leaf can be countered by having a random natural negative and half the time does nothing anyway

amber acorn can be countered by having more than 1 hand

[noble mango]

wdym the hardest

bell ruined my ahh

[tardy spade]

cerulean bell can be countered by playing pairs

[noble mango]

so pair is the meta?

[tardy spade]

yeah

unfortunately

[noble mango]

the heck

i should try pairs

which jokers

[tardy spade]

they're simple, easy to play, and only require 2 cards

[frank grove]

any scaling +mult, chips (runner, square, castle, wee or just planet levels) and after on scoring x mult (hologram, cav, vampire etc)

[noble mango]

Verdant leaf when im out of luck:

trousers?

[frank grove]

yeah

you play 2pairs to scale trousers when you can and then usually play pairs anyway

[lean saffron]

I got the picture

[tardy spade]

early game: Ride the bus, green joker, supernova.
Mid game: Mercuries, blackboard/any x3 mult joker.

[tardy spade]

I had a trousers runner pair run recenetly

[slow iris]

trousers runner obelisk

[urban skiff]

What

[tardy spade]

the obelisk run was where I had 28 high cards, accidentally played a high card on ante 8 resetting my obelisk, and still won the run

[slow iris]

this is why you do pairs instead of high card

[noble mango]

last one i did sockskinx2 (brainstrom) direct cut, whatever i forgot the planets was, trousers, trib

[slow iris]

or anything else

[tardy spade]

I'd done high card the entire run, I didn't exactly have a choice when obelisk came up

[noble mango]

i play flushes

[tardy spade]

high card because I had stuntman

[tardy spade]

what's your highest stake?

[noble mango]

Black on blue

didn't beat the black one

[tardy spade]

black stake on blue deck yeah

not blue stake on black deck

[noble mango]

Black stake

Blue Deck

should they rename the stake/deck

[tardy spade]

flushes get increasingly more difficult as you climb up the stakes

[noble mango]

the colors are wel a ye

[tardy spade]

and you learn just how good playing less cards is

hence pairs

[noble mango]

i ever got 12 cards in deck

died to psychic after i didn't read the boss blind ability then realizing too late

[tardy spade]

reading the boss blind explains the boss blind

to be fair that happens to me a lot

[noble mango]

so the best thing is deck thinning right?

[tardy spade]

I just forget about psychic

[noble mango]

i spam immolate like crazy ngl

[tardy spade]

it's certainly a good thing yeah

[noble mango]

till well
uhm
got yorick and only have 19 cards in deck . .

yeh that didn't end well

[tardy spade]

still shouldn't be terrible though

like you can still discard the required amount

[noble mango]

and well people suggest me having just 5 cards in deck 💀

[molten thicket]

you cann do that

[tardy spade]

ok that deck is a bit too small for me

[noble mango]

yeah no i'd take a minimum 20 cards in my deck thank you

[tardy spade]

then why is there an achievement for going below 20 cards

[molten thicket]

but its pointless having such a small deck

[humble gulch]

Erotion value 🔥

Spanish kicking in

[noble mango]

take a dip then back up with (hopefully) some standart or jumbo packs

[tardy spade]

I feel like immolate would be perfectly fine if it just destroyed 5 random cards and didn't give $20

[molten thicket]

true

it would still be good

[noble mango]

would you destroy 20 random cards for 20$

[tardy spade]

hell yeah

[noble mango]

so card destroy is that good huh

would a boss blind that destroys your played hand be helpful then

[tardy spade]

yes

well

....yes

[noble mango]

well ig we're different

[tardy spade]

if you could get by without playing your best hand

[noble mango]

since i absolutely do not want to destroy my kings

[tardy spade]

every useless card destroyed is 1 less card which could prevent you finding your good cards

hence why abandoned deck is so good

[errant brook]

Okay is this the greatest rare skip of all time?

[noble mango]

hmm
reversed abandoned deck . . .
start with only face cards

[tardy spade]

no

[errant brook]

I've been grinding gold stake naneinf for ages

So to see these guys in ante 1

[tardy spade]

ok so maybe

[errant brook]

I know I'm gonna lose, don't get me wrong

Yeah I lost lol

[glad aspen]

Holy shit i didnt know blue seals were like that

[errant brook]

There wasn't a single useful joker after this

[tardy spade]

blue seals are so powerful they're going to get nerfed

[errant brook]

Nor any ways to get more kings

[glad aspen]

Is this confirmed or speculation? How would you even nerf them 🫩🫩🫩

[tardy spade]

I believe it's confirmed

how they're going to be nerfed is uncertain though

[frank grove]

Its not

Thunk has been testing a rewored blue seal but its not confirmed it will ever happen

[noble mango]

best seal in your opinion?

[vestal copper]

blue

[tardy spade]

depends on the situation

[glad aspen]

Like how could you even rework them in a way that doesnt just remove them as a whole

[frank grove]

Blue is best, but i really like gold and purple

[vestal copper]

all seals are good and fun

[noble mango]

i love purple seals

[vestal copper]

maybe blue is to the least extent

[frank grove]

Just make it it do something that isnt planet adjacent

[glad aspen]

Thats what i meant

[tardy spade]

red seals with steel cards are incredibly satisfying

[frank grove]

Yeah but that is a rework

[vestal copper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1008707962249941102.png?size=48&name=true~1&lossless=true

[glad aspen]

Maybe i just enjoy lucky slop but i really like lucky seal red cards

[fringe nebula]

blue is strongest, but purple is the most fun

[glad aspen]

Thats a great point

[terse vale]

blue

[glad aspen]

[noble mango]

wish i can get more consumable slots

id get a gazilion more tarots from seals

[tardy spade]

one of the most fun gold stake runs I ever had was with hit the road and a bunch of purple seal jacks

[glad aspen]

Oh my god i love hit the road

[noble mango]

holy discard value

there's no yorick tho

[tardy spade]

I didn't need it

I won the run anyway

[humble gulch]

Blue

[glad aspen]

Yorick, merry andy, hit the road, + hand size 🫩🫩🫩

[humble gulch]

Yeah, I love purple seals + vampire

[noble mango]

need a sh ton of cards in your deck to discard

purple seal makes it better 🤑

[errant brook]

Yep

[noble mango]

maybe burnt joker

[errant brook]

Mime/Baron with only 4 Kings and no hand levels is a lot worse than you'd think

[noble mango]

stm better early game ngl

[humble gulch]

I want to laugh so badly but it's almost 1 am

[glad aspen]

Is there a reason to beat gold stake on every deck?

[slow iris]

@serene forge "Here, win" 2 has been born

[frank grove]

2 more stickers done 🔥

[humble gulch]

C+

[vestal copper]

c+

[glad aspen]

🫩

[frank grove]

15 jombers left for abandoned++ 🔥

[glad aspen]

Is that even impressive atp

[tardy spade]

is there a reason to play balatro?

[humble gulch]

I love jholkersd

[noble mango]

is there a reason to live

[tardy spade]

is there a reason

[glad aspen]

THATS A GREAT POINT BUT IM DREADDDDING painted gold stake

[humble gulch]

It's an achievement

[noble mango]

hopium

[frank grove]

this looks so STUPID ??

[glad aspen]

But its not c++ 🫩

LEMME CHECK MY STATS

[slow iris]

painted gold stake is fun

[noble mango]

wheel

would you pay 10$ for an extra hand

[vestal copper]

irl?

[humble gulch]

Erratic++ file

🥀 🥀

[tardy spade]

irl yes
in balatro normally

[glossy mortar]

Am I the only one who finds Gold stake like extremely unfun.

[vestal copper]

yeah

[frank grove]

its kinda weird that i have so much pair levels compared to everything else

[noble mango]

it's what happen when you choose blue deck instead of yello

[slow iris]

probably not idk

[frank grove]

even my pain profile isnt that wobbly

[slow iris]

only thing i don't really like is the -1 discard

[tardy spade]

which is why blue deck is one of the best

[frank grove]

this is my main profile

[humble gulch]

Get better at it and you'll find it fun soon

[tardy spade]

yellow deck is also pretty good

[noble mango]

what's the chance of joker appearing

[slow iris]

but i find gold stake fun otherwise

[humble gulch]

Yeahh...

[tardy spade]

depends on rarity

[humble gulch]

In fact, the only thing I play

[frank grove]

idk why abandoned++ has been SO pair level slop

[frank grove]

Yeah i only play gold stake too

[noble mango]

i mean

joker
+4 mult

[frank grove]

I almost never touch the other ones unless im doing perkeo nonsense on black stake

[vestal copper]

jupiter

[humble gulch]

Same

[glossy mortar]

Like I haven’t played Gold Stake in like a week, mostly just replaying challenges with some custom restrictions or playing on lower stakes and that is so much fun. Almost every run is possible and things are actually fun where you can play the game. Gold stake though has none of that. It’s pure RNG if you even get past ante 1 and holy crap is it boring as there is only 1 way to play it. It’s so boring and annoying. I genuinelly don’t understand why anyone would play this game if that was all you did.

[gaunt nacelle]

I installed lineageos on my phone, which had balatro on the stock os, but now google play says its not available for this device? Any way I can get the app?

[humble gulch]

This is worse than pair slop

[slow iris]

try aurora store

or if you own balatro on steam try using the mobile maker

[tardy spade]

1.14% chance for a joker in the shop to be a jimbo

[frank grove]

if gold stake was pure rng i wouldnt be able to do c++ in less than a week

[glad aspen]

I disagree

[gaunt nacelle]

Its says it can't generate an aas token when I try to sign in

[noble mango]

where's

[glad aspen]

I love flushslop

[humble gulch]

All seeds are winnable on gold stake anyways

[noble mango]

oh really?

[glossy mortar]

Idk. I wish there was just a better way for the game to do things. On lower stakes the game has practically no RNG, but on higher stakes it’s just ugh.

[glad aspen]

Too unstable for flush slop

[tardy spade]

because there's more skill to gold stake than you believe

[humble gulch]

I forgot when I started

[noble mango]

ouiji is ass ngl

[slow iris]

idk i've never used aurora store tbh

i would try myself but i don't own balatro on mobile

[frank grove]

I started abandoned++ on the 23rd i think

[gaunt nacelle]

Is it pirating if I download the apk from somewhere?

[gaunt nacelle]

Because I bought it

[humble gulch]

I started two days after I think

[slow iris]

you're not the only one though

i've seen someone else with this issue on lineage

[glad aspen]

What is aurora store?

[gaunt nacelle]

Play store client

[slow iris]

meh

who cares tbh

[noble mango]

is chips jokers even good

[frank grove]

Yeah

[noble mango]

outside plasma

[frank grove]

yeah

[vestal copper]

more chips=more value for every single mult you have

[frank grove]

if you dont have blue seals or some way to get a bunch of levels chips jokers can be huge boosts

[candid niche]

i think this hand loses

[tardy spade]

a bunch of mult times nothing is still nothing

[slow iris]

foss client for the play store

oh already answered oops

[night bridge]

At least 217 score

[glad aspen]

Wee almost singlehandedly carried my goldstake run

[humble gulch]

Foil jokers are great

[glossy mortar]

I get that, but who would find that fun? It’s genuinely so boring. You are just always doing the same thing and if you don’t get handed it, you die. It sucks. There is no diversity like there is in lower stakes and challenges. You are railroaded into one thing and idk. I find that boring. Obviously some people like it and I get that. I respect the people who are willing to waste hours pressing r for one thing, but ever since I gave up on completing the decks and decided to actually have fun, I’ve never had any issues. Idk what posessed me to start trying for it again but honestly It’s not worth it.

[gentle basalt]

You are not railroaded into one thing
There is a ton of diversity
You might not find it fun, a lot of us do

[frank grove]

Yeah the meta is fairly stale but there are decks where you can play other stuff apart from pairs

[glad aspen]

Saying there is no diversity is just false

[tardy spade]

100 mult x 10 chips = 1,000 points
100 mult x 1000 chips = 100,000 points

[gentle basalt]

Low stakes is infact quite boring (to me) because there is no challenge

[frank grove]

you can almost force straights on abandoned for example, and 2pair, 3/4oak on painted is also very good

[gentle basalt]

It is trivial to win every run

[humble gulch]

Erratic it's just a box full of surprises

[glossy mortar]

Yeah and as I said, I respect it. Those who have infinite patience scare me. I don’t however.

[molten thicket]

i mean on lower stakes you can try out a ton of different builds

and some ppl like that

[frank grove]

Well you dont need patience to win gold stake runs

[gentle basalt]

You should not be forcing anything (including pairs)
Pairs just happen to be the build that is most suitable

[humble gulch]

Like, stop giving me so many sevens ❤️‍🩹

[gentle basalt]

How is patience related to gold stake runs?

[echo sphinx]

me when i pairslop 90% of runs

[frank grove]

Yeah of course thats why i said almost force

[glossy mortar]

I mean. There is in lower stakes. Like I’ve pulled off some halarious and silly stuff making things that would never work in any other circumstance work, it’s fun and exciting because every single game is wildly different. Meanwhole ever single game of gold stake is the exact same. It sucks.

[tardy spade]

I got through nebula deck by forcing straights the whole time

[echo sphinx]

i find abandoned deck to be the most fun

[gentle basalt]

What does "get through" mean

[humble gulch]

I'd say straights on abandoned are pretty good

[echo sphinx]

cuz the hand size is already pretty small

[frank grove]

As someone who isnt biased yes

[echo sphinx]

things like straight, strush, 4oak actually work

[humble gulch]

Facts

[gentle basalt]

People have got C++ by forcing straight flush, what point are you making?

[tardy spade]

win every stake on, including gold

[gentle basalt]

Trivial goal

[glad aspen]

You just said the same thing, its false, theres so many different builds that you can make work

[echo sphinx]

then after abandoned, erratic and checkered are tied second

[glossy mortar]

Hours and hours and hours of resetting and hunting for the perfect seed that give you exactly what you need when you need it. I don’t have time for that. I like games that have diversity, and gold stake just dosen’t have that.

[slow iris]

I respect the people who are willing to waste hours pressing r for one thing
i mean if you're doing that then i can see how it can be boring

[gentle basalt]

You are just bad

[frank grove]

I never reset runs btw, and a lot of gs players dont reset

[gentle basalt]

I win 60% of my runs at least (lately its more)

[humble gulch]

Reseting it's not going to help you

[echo sphinx]

erratic makes for funnier 3oak/4oak deckfixing (straights are dead lol)
checkered has good strush potential

[tardy spade]

you don't have to constantly reset gold stake to get a good run, you take the run you have and you make it good

[humble gulch]

THIS

[echo sphinx]

good skill makes bad seeds good

[humble gulch]

Perfect example

[molten thicket]

skill minimizes rng

[glad aspen]

Guys what is erratic++

[humble gulch]

If you rely on rng you don't have skill

[glossy mortar]

Yes there is so many builds that can work, but they all require the same thing, you need econ round 1 or 2, you need easy scoring round 2 or 3, you need some amount of reliable chips until your planets are up, you need either a bunch of +mult or some good xmult. You need certain vouchers. It’s all just so boring as there is no diversity.

[humble gulch]

Every sticker only on erratic

[frank grove]

you dont need econ round 1 or 2?

thats a good thing but it isnt a need?

[glad aspen]

So you hit orange stake then exclusively erratic?

[gentle basalt]

Dude you are just bad
None of these are required
The difficulty of the game is infact in playing with what you got, not trying to get the best build each time

[humble gulch]

You don't always need vouchers, econ or good xmult

[frank grove]

you start a new profile and then unlock all and then only do c++ on a single deck

[humble gulch]

Vouchers aren't needed at all

[gentle basalt]

Even +mult is not strictly required

[glossy mortar]

Bro even if you don’t restart 95% of all runs die before round 4. And of the few that make it past that, they die to ante 2 or 3. If they get past ante 3 they usually die to Violent Vessel. Very very very few runs make it past the gauntlet of luck required.

[echo sphinx]

need econ early
need scoring
need chip scaling
need +mult/xmult

me when i have to play balatro to strike a balance between greed and scoring

[glad aspen]

OHHHHHH okay

Thank you

[tardy spade]

sounds like a skill issue to me

[gentle basalt]

Oh sorry i forgot you were the professional ragebaiter

[frank grove]

my runs dont die before round 4

[humble gulch]

I'm sorry, that's really just a skill issue, all seeds are winnable

[molten thicket]

damn

[frank grove]

if you're dying in round 4 you're not taking something in the last 3 shops

[molten thicket]

you lowkey suck

even my dumbass can beat round 4

[humble gulch]

Like, just anything

Any score helps

[molten thicket]

biblical amounts of greed right here

[frank grove]

yeah even a 3oak level can clear round 4 with some pairs and 2 pairs

[echo sphinx]

or excessive greed like me playing 3 highcards for todolist value without adequete scoring om
just me thing

[tardy spade]

then explain how people have gotten streaks of 60 or more gold stakes without resetting

[frank grove]

whats the gs streak high score right now its like 60 something right?

[humble gulch]

60+

[glossy mortar]

Anyways this discussion is fruitless. I’m not shocked most here like the luck. I mean this is a game based off gambling after all. I just prefer my games to be fun and fresh every single time. I dont think I’m gonna really touch gold stake anymore.

[gentle basalt]

67 recorded (doc) that i am aware of

[glad aspen]

Doc is the goat

[molten thicket]

i mean sure lol

[frank grove]

then dont play balatro if you think its all luck then?

[gentle basalt]

He could have easily got higher
He was playing multiple decks though (eventually lost to black)

[gaunt nacelle]

Ofc I manage to get balatro from aurora store after having to get the nightly version just for this

[molten thicket]

but don't blame the game bcs you don't have the skill to beat higher difficulties

[mortal obsidian]

i cannot pass 22k score any tips ? im new

[bold gyro]

So between red blue yellow green black and magic deck which is the best for flush builds ?

[humble gulch]

He can't blame himself, if you can't accept your own errors you can't improve

[slow iris]

you have gapps installed right

[gaunt nacelle]

Yes

[glad aspen]

I agree that balatro isnt all luck but what do you guys think the % of luck is? Im leaning towards 20%

[echo sphinx]

(i feel like fun and fresh runs happen more frequently if you have better decision making)

[gaunt nacelle]

But on the play store I'm told balatro isn't available

[echo sphinx]

to me its 100%

[humble gulch]

This

[glossy mortar]

You must be hard of reading. Only the higher stakes are all luck. The lower stakes have much less luck. It’s still there, but almost every possible bad luck thing you can have can be somewhat mitigated.

[echo sphinx]

im taking that gamble pack even when grimbo mailed in is in the shop

[molten thicket]

okay bro.

[humble gulch]

If every seed it's winnable, then 0%

[frank grove]

what makes higher stakes more "luck based" to you? the -1 discard? the joker stickers? what makes higher stakes more luck based

[molten thicket]

save your energy by not engaging with this ragebaiter please

[glad aspen]

Isnt that just a theory? Or has that been confirmed

[gentle basalt]

How are you measuring "luck involved"

If a player has a x% win rate, then the luck involved is (100-x)%?

This clearly varies player to player

[slow iris]

i think you're just gonna have to pirate it tbh

[gentle basalt]

Every seed is not winnable without perfect information
So this is false

[molten thicket]

is every seed winnable on gold stake?

[humble gulch]

Hasn't been debunked yet, to this day every seed discovered is winnable

[humble gulch]

Yeah

[gaunt nacelle]

I wanted the actual app so I could keep my save, but at least I can play if I get it somewhere else

[humble gulch]

False

[molten thicket]

idk im doubting that

[echo sphinx]

this feels like saying league is luck based because your lane opp may have more skill/counterpicks

[frank grove]

there are for sure seeds on black deck that are unbeatable cause the draws in a boss just kill you

[gentle basalt]

Getting lucky with your draws is definitely a luck factor
Such a bullshit argument

[frank grove]

but on other decks you would pass through it

[humble gulch]

Yeah, that

[glossy mortar]

The requirements for certain events.

[humble gulch]

?????

[frank grove]

What???

[molten thicket]

i know every seed can reach e16 is fact (ish)

[frank grove]

what does this even mean bro

[slow iris]

or use balatro mobile maker if you own balatro on steam

[gaunt nacelle]

I dont own it on steam

[glossy mortar]

Bruh what? Comparing a solo game to a multiplayer game is weird.

[gaunt nacelle]

I'll get it from apkpure

[gentle basalt]

Every seed is only winnable when you have already seen what draws you get

It is possible to even die in round 1 with optimal play (optimal being without perfect knowledge)

[humble gulch]

Not really

[molten thicket]

if you don't want to play the damn difficulty then don't, stop blaming your skill issue on the game please 😭

[echo sphinx]

thats like saying i can only score higher in classical tetris when i get more I-pieces

[molten thicket]

what does it mean to play "optimally"

[mortal obsidian]

whats the best deck to start with so i can beat my first run ? i have been stuck around 22k score every single run

[gentle basalt]

Maximize P(win)

[humble gulch]

Tetris is completely procedural and yet someone beat it, lol

[glossy mortar]

You need certain events. Like you are required to have some level of econ before ante 2. Wether it be with max interest, a joker, gold cards, something, you need econ before ante 2. Then at the same time as trying to get econ, you need some scoring and you need it fast. You die round 4 without some level of scoring. Like even a Jimbo would be enough to make a run pass the 95% barrier.

[echo sphinx]

me when rng isnt rng behind the hood

[humble gulch]

Just no

[gaunt nacelle]

Nvm it only has version 3.2 unless you pay for apkpure premium

[frank grove]

you dont need econ jokers before ante 2, like less than 50% of runs i play get to 25 before round 4 im sorry you're just saying stuff to say stuff

[molten thicket]

sigh

[echo sphinx]

@humble gulch im pretty sure there's some seeds that cant be beaten without some sort of future foresight

[humble gulch]

On black deck there is

[frank grove]

if 95% of your gs runs die in round 4, thats entirely skill issue

[glossy mortar]

I mean that is technically true however Tetris is a speed game, the luck isn’t the predominant factor to winning. It definitely matters, but to such a little extent compared to the speed.

[frank grove]

take a planet card, a celest pack, literally anything and you can pass round 4

[molten thicket]

i swear this dude has said some bullshit statement and proceed to back it up with bullshit logic like 5 times

[glad aspen]

What are the conditions for stone/steel/glass jokers? Theyre the 3 jokers outside of legendaries that i dont have yet

[frank grove]

It is the amphy way

[echo sphinx]

agree

[gentle basalt]

Have one of that in your deck

[glad aspen]

Is that it...? So im just unlucky 🫩

[humble gulch]

Yeah...

[molten thicket]

and balatro is a decision-making game

[echo sphinx]

likewise, seeing value in other jokers previously slept on and making better decision-making improves the rate at which you win

[glossy mortar]

Are you also hard of reading? I at no point ever said you need econ jokers to to get past round 4. I said you need some form of econ. Yes econ jokers are a part of that but they are not the only one. Please read harder.

[frank grove]

ok, you dont need econ before ante 2 though

like at all

its a good thing to have for sure

but you dont need it

[echo sphinx]

i slept on lots of jokers before i took them and doing so improved all my future runs on average

[gentle basalt]

Do you mean to unlock it, or to find it?

Unlock : you can see it on your collections page

[humble gulch]

Find

[echo sphinx]

bull
bootstraps
red card
rtb
grimbo
madness
to-do list
matador
mr bones
obelisk
ancient joker

etc

[glad aspen]

To find it, i have every joker available to find

[humble gulch]

I have multiple wins where I'm broke till the end ❤️‍🩹

[frank grove]

Yeah

[glossy mortar]

Okay so riddle me this. You have a game but you are permanently stuck at $0. How do you win? As far as Iknow there is no possible way to beat the game without some amount of money. Like yes you can win without jokers, yes you can win without planets, yes you can win without taros and voucers, but having literally nothing isn’t possible.

[molten thicket]

hey what hand should you build your obelisk (like the highest amt hand)

[molten thicket]

HOW IS THIS RELEVANT

[frank grove]

That hypothetical doesnt work cause you arent stuck at 0

[slow iris]

anything besides high card

[glad aspen]

Goated skip tags

[gentle basalt]

Pairs are the best, high cards are slightly risky

[molten thicket]

im crine

[frank grove]

you start with 4 dollars most of the time??

[slow iris]

usually pairs though

since they're easiest to play

[molten thicket]

hm

[slow iris]

besides high card

[gentle basalt]

Its not that bad

[echo sphinx]

game but permanently stuck at $0
game doesn't exist cuz interest and blind rewards exist

[gentle basalt]

To build around high card

[molten thicket]

and then you go to high card to scale?

[slow iris]

if you do high card you could be stuck in a situation where you're forced to play it

[glossy mortar]

Okay true xD i guess in some magical world you could skip tag your way there. Actually… I’de like to see that now. Would be insane.

[gentle basalt]

No, you just do whatever you find
Except pairs

[humble gulch]

Even with that, you can skip, sell and get money

[molten thicket]

hmm ok

[echo sphinx]

there's a balatro challenge deck with literally 0 jokers and it can still be cleared

[humble gulch]

SOMEONE DID IT ON GOLD STAKE ❤️‍🩹

[molten thicket]

so just pairs -> what the game wants you to play

[gentle basalt]

You could, but you have 2 discards as well
Obviously pairs are better, but high card obelisks are totally fine too

[slow iris]

yeah

[gentle basalt]

High card, pair and 2 pair are the only obelisk hands i have used (2 pair with trousers)

[glossy mortar]

I guess for that you’d need to get a buffoon pack and a $25 tag.

[slow iris]

sometimes you could end up not drawing a pair or anything else

[glossy mortar]

Then that buffoon needs an econ joker and a scoring joker.

[slow iris]

not likely but i wouldn't take the risk

[molten thicket]

im scared of high level obelisk play ever since that one video of doc balancing every hand till the end

[frank grove]

the runs start with 4 dollars?

you always get one buffoon pack

[glossy mortar]

Actually I’ve never thought about that before.

[echo sphinx]

low level obelisk still works

[echo sphinx]

pairslop into hc pivot is a possible thing i guess

[glad aspen]

Guys i might be revealing my badness once more but do you pivot INTO or OUT of pair/highcard with obelisk

[glossy mortar]

It’s probably more reliable to start a run like that, but there is no way to start a run that starts that way 100% of the time.

[gentle basalt]

Amphy would die in round 1

[errant brook]

Badly needed to find DNA...sigh

[echo sphinx]

last time i got obelisk i also got pants so i did a pivot after ante 5 and. won. i guess.

[molten thicket]

hey thats so rude

[humble gulch]

Find levels or some chips before activating obelisk

[molten thicket]

they'd die in round 4

[humble gulch]

lol

[errant brook]

Is Eternal DNA worth it if going for gold stake naneinf and am currently in ante 20?

[gentle basalt]

No i mean so they wont find the buffoon pack

[errant brook]

I'd have to find another ectoplasm I guess...

I can't sell the DNA for turtle though if I can't get past ante 24...shoot idk what to do

[glad aspen]

Amphy would somehow do the ante 0 glitch and die there

[echo sphinx]

ante -1 🔥

[gentle basalt]

You pivot out ofcourse??

Obelisk is a pivot joker

[molten thicket]

hey i wonder if you had perfect card drawing knowledge can you still die in a1bb?

[gentle basalt]

You have to pivot to be able to use it (unless for some reason you have a lot of non main hands played)

[frank grove]

unless you have something like trousers and can play lots of 2pairs then usually you use pairs to get to like 12 - 15 and then you start playing other hands

[errant brook]

What do you guys think? Buy the eternal DNA and then hope I can live through ante 24 or keep trying to find a non-eternal DNA?

[humble gulch]

Imagine a challenge where you start at ante -1 but it scales really agressively

[frank grove]

basically plasma

[gentle basalt]

No
You can definitely find one flush and 3 pairs which should be enough (or 2 flushes realistically)

[humble gulch]

I guess

Ante -1 two hands

[gentle basalt]

Note that in 17 cards drawn, you are guaranteed a flush

[echo sphinx]

plasma if they added a second purple stake

[molten thicket]

i say take the dna if that dna helps you score past a24

if not then dig a bean

[humble gulch]

This sounds fun

[molten thicket]

also is that fucking gold stake plasma

[errant brook]

The issue is I need DNA to have any chance at getting there in the first place probably

[molten thicket]

hm

[errant brook]

I could re-roll to try and find ANOTHER DNA

But I could also then have no money

[molten thicket]

probably have to take this dna yeah

how much is the bean at rn

[errant brook]

Ecto #2 basically screws me if I take it before ante 24 as well, and if I'm doing the serpent I won't have many chances at finding ecto in the first place

3

I also can't farm the serpent

[molten thicket]

honestly you can afford a second ecto if that means you can get a bean in that slot

[errant brook]

I don't even have invisible joker yet

So basically I would need to keep findind bean

AND the 2nd ecto

screw it I'm not taking it

[molten thicket]

highrolling bean with $500 is quite impossible

[frank grove]

oooh straight run time

[molten thicket]

so yeah

[molten thicket]

wha how did you get past round 4

[frank grove]

🤯

[humble gulch]

BAHAHA

❤️‍🩹

[errant brook]

Well

[molten thicket]

damn

[errant brook]

I still probably lose in ante 23 but lol

[glad aspen]

Alright guys

[errant brook]

The dream run lives on

[glad aspen]

What deck do i gold stake next

[echo sphinx]

holy jonkler editions

[frank grove]

i had a wheel hit nana ...

[echo sphinx]

rip

[errant brook]

GO FIGURE HERE TOO LOL

[orchid comet]

do i grab supernova instead of the tarot joker? The tarot is adding nothing to +mult but the foil is lowk my only source of +chips

[errant brook]

Not taking the 2nd ecto, I just die if I do

[fringe nebula]

i mean
with banana, foil, and holographic, i don't see how argil couldn't get past round 4

[frank grove]

its a joke

[molten thicket]

no i was making a joke lol

[fringe nebula]

oh ok

[molten thicket]

scroll up

[frank grove]

amphy came in and was complaining that they couldnt get past round 4 on gs 😭

[echo sphinx]

ehhhh nah

[orchid comet]

keep foil for chips?

[fringe nebula]

wait another amphymalding while i was gone?

[echo sphinx]

i just think its not that much better than supernova for the 6 dolers

[molten thicket]

so many +mult

i think it's not worth it

[orchid comet]

red card is at like ~30 which is about if not less than what stm gives

[humble gulch]

Yeahh, this one was the worst one so far

[orchid comet]

im tryna find xmult but I dont have any econ so I cant reroll

its upto luck mostly

[molten thicket]

yeah so prob skip

taking it is a waste of money

[orchid comet]

alr

[errant brook]

Dead at ante 23 unless my one boss re-roll hits The Serpent, wish me luck

[orchid comet]

I only asked cuz it was holographic which would add like ~25 ish per round

[molten thicket]

is it the worst one? i think ive seen worse

[glad aspen]

The concept of people malding over jokerpoker is so funny to me

[molten thicket]

gl lol

[fringe nebula]

LMFAO

[errant brook]

Dead

[fringe nebula]

oh god

[errant brook]

Well that was a crazy run, had no business making it this far

[molten thicket]

if there a juggle tag you can prob live though

aw ggs

[humble gulch]

So narcissistic ❤️‍🩹

[errant brook]

Juggle tag after ante 20 doesn't exist

[orchid comet]

reminds me I had such a good pair run just to die to vv

oml bro

[errant brook]

What's this argument about restarting gold stake runs now?

[orchid comet]

I could've completed orange stake if not for vv

[molten thicket]

WHAT

is this real

[errant brook]

No but it feels like it is

[molten thicket]

oh

[errant brook]

The same way it feels like the game is programmed to hit DNA when you use Ectoplasm

[humble gulch]

Only if we could get past round 4

[glad aspen]

Idk if i ever posted this run it was fun as hell

[molten thicket]

i swear i remember taking a juggle tag to get past a24 on my first naneinf

[errant brook]

I'm gonna step away for 15, but to throw my two cents into the mix: There's nothing wrong with resetting to try and get a decent start with gold stake. But if you just reset to get PhotoChad then you aren't good at the game

[orchid comet]

imma go back to my run thanks for the help guys

[orchid comet]

preach

[molten thicket]

yeah we just highroll for the yorick in the charm tag every time

[errant brook]

Trib also does it

[gentle basalt]

Risky
1 maybe 2 bosses kill you

[errant brook]

My first black deck gold stake win was via an eternal Vagabond and then just being poor the whole game. My second was when I had Trib, Blueprint, and Sock in ante 2 lol

[glad aspen]

Real talk even then the yorick doesnt carry you past ante 4 vv

[fringe nebula]

that one is ur fault mate

[errant brook]

Yorick + Ride The Bus + Supernova boom

[glossy mortar]

Amazing start with early econ secured, sadly there was no scoring at all so it died ante 3 as predicted.

[gentle basalt]

Personally sold trib few times to take more consistent scoring

[gentle basalt]

If you give us the seed, we would win

[errant brook]

Trib doesn't get me naneinf though so when I see it these days I'm like "Nice for now, but will get rid of you"

But if I could get Trib + Sock + Golden Ticket ohhhhhhhhhhh

[orchid comet]

i didnt grab directors cut?

oof

[fringe nebula]

you didn't

[glad aspen]

Woah

[glossy mortar]

Yeah I’ve fallen for this trick before. Posting the seed just means you know everything about it and can make perfect plays. Seeded runs do not count for anything.

[gentle basalt]

I would play it unseeded ofcourse

[terse vale]

no?

[orchid comet]

ironic

[glossy mortar]

Having perfect god knowledge of a game dosen’t make you good.

[gentle basalt]

But sure, you can keep thinking of our tricks

[terse vale]

we don’t know anything about the seed when you post it 😭

[errant brook]

Is this someone who thinks the game is too hard and no one can win?

[glossy mortar]

Like I could go right now pick a random seed, throw it in the seed finder, and path something out that ensures I win with 0 effort. It’s not real gameplay.

[gentle basalt]

Yes, 95% runs dont make it past round 4 apparently

[errant brook]

95%?

Now that's just silly

[frank grove]

😭

[humble gulch]

You can take someone's lose and try to win

[terse vale]

we don’t “throw it in the seed finder” can someone tell amphy that

[gentle basalt]

Why? I believe 95% of their runs dont make it past round 4

[errant brook]

Yeah I don't have the patience to do that shit lol

I also don't care enough to play other people's seeds

[humble gulch]

New pfp, new run, of course I get a lot of sixes

[errant brook]

Kill them all with sixth sense and then sell the crappy Spectral cards they give you

[glossy mortar]

Yeah i did that before and you know what happened. Y’all threw it in the seed finder and bashed me for not doing some things that i literally can not know. I don’t do that anymore.

[frank grove]

what are you even talking about

the last time you sent a seed i remember people played through it

[terse vale]

who’s yall

[frank grove]

you passed on a round one RIFF RAFF bro

[errant brook]

If someone checks the seed after it's not meant to berate you, it's to see what the seed looked like

[terse vale]

ok that’s crazy

[humble gulch]

You have some serious narcissism problems...

[errant brook]

Okay now that's lol

Riff Raff is like the best ante 1 joker

[glossy mortar]

Yeah tell that to the mental breakdown I had after that happened. I’m shocked I still play this game after that happened it was so bad.

Which tbh, was my fault since i wasn’t using misprint strat i wont lie.

[frank grove]

like bro what are you talking about

[errant brook]

I'll try to be nice here. The BIGGEST tip for Balatro especially on gold stake is not to go in with a set plan. It's to play with the game gives you and work around it.

[slow iris]

i love riff raff

[frank grove]

you passed on riff raff in round 1 the last time you sent us a seed

[errant brook]

If the game gives you Mercury + The Fool right away, it's telling you "Maybe you should play Pairs." If you find Shortcut and Four Fingers, it's screaming go with Straights.

[humble gulch]

Free econ

[errant brook]

If you go in with a plan, chances are you won't find those jokers.

[terse vale]

normally I would open the pack but I hear chaos is a good starter

which I get

[errant brook]

That's the key to getting better at Balatro

[humble gulch]

Worth

[errant brook]

Sometimes the most boring plays are the ways to go

[keen sleet]

hey man give me a seed, and I'll do it blind

[errant brook]

Like if I see Square Joker and Green Joker in a shop, my reaction's gonna be "Sigh...I guess that's what we're doing" but I should win

[snow plover]

This is what this server found so far, it resets when April ends

Keep doing runs

[glossy mortar]

Yeah that rarely works. I used to do that but it never pans out. Like when the game throws you a straight joker so you build for straights and then you die because you are one short, or some other stuff happens. That strat works on lower stakes. In fact it’s the reason why I absolutely love lower stakes, you have that freedom to od what you want and flow with what is needed. Like if this game ended there it would be a flawless game imo.

[errant brook]

Straights are risky at Gold Stake. High risk high reward.

[frank grove]

then dont play high stakes

no one is forcing you to play gold stake

[errant brook]

I played Straights a lot when going for Completionist++ but I almost never do now.

[gentle basalt]

Shortcut + 4 fingers is not a combination that indicates straights
Shortcut + some other straight support (runner, telescope, order) is

[errant brook]

I tend to do 4OAK or Pairs

[glad aspen]

Can i submit polychrome wee and erosion

How do i do this

🫩

[snow plover]

Any screenshots this and next month

[errant brook]

Amphy tell you what, I like to think that you at least don't hate me at the moment. Send me a seed and I will try it on the deck / stake you did and I will not look at it ahead of time. I do need to step away for 15 minutes though so I can do it when I get back.

[snow plover]

Start helping out

[glossy mortar]

I mean straights are the worst hand in the game. Ehhh… okay 2nd worst. I used a specifically bad example, but the same logic applies even to things like pairs. Sometimes you just get no pairs, nothing you can do to fix it, you are just screwed. So many games die that way.

[keen sleet]

straight is not the second worst hand

[frank grove]

bait used to be believable

[keen sleet]

unbelievable

[slow iris]

sobquestion

[ebon condor]

walk into chat
amphy spouting some bullshit
must be sunday

[gentle basalt]

Amphy is top tier ragebaiter

[glossy mortar]

?

[slow iris]

?

[glad aspen]

OH i didnt realize that legendary jokers could spawn with editions until a couple days ago, i had a foil legendary spawn in, pretty rad

[glossy mortar]

I have not yet seen a Legendary spawn with anyting of the sort xD one day I’m sure

[glad aspen]

Do you have a swash to go with you?

[gentle basalt]

Egg is great on its own

[ebon condor]

i somehow got a nat negative chicot that saved my run once

that was pretty cool

[slow iris]

chigoat

[glad aspen]

IT WAS A FOIL CHICOT

[keen sleet]

2 worst hands in the game should be strush and full house

[glossy mortar]

Egg is solid in most circumstances. I like egg.

[ebon condor]

worst hand in the game is 5oak what are yall wafflin abt

like its not even close

[frank grove]

yeha 5oak has no benefits apart from wee

[keen sleet]

ok i can see that

ngl

[ebon condor]

well i mean it not that not close but whatever

[glossy mortar]

I completely forgot about Straight Flush! Omg I’m sorry! Okay I take it back. Strights are 3rd worst.

[glad aspen]

For sure but i enjoy its synergy with with swash

[frank grove]

whats your ranking of hand types amphy?

[glossy mortar]

Lol i have never once played that hand it’s so bad and forgettable.

[gentle basalt]

What is the ranking of strength of hands on gold stake?

[glad aspen]

Never played = Bad

[vestal copper]

sflushes are fun on painted

[humble gulch]

Queens

[glossy mortar]

Uhhh. Give me a sec to think about a proper full ranking.

[gentle basalt]

I think its like
Pairs, high card, straights, 2 pair, 4 of a kind, flushes, 3 of a kind, full house, straight flushes

[glossy mortar]

I only really have the top and bottom thought out.

[keen sleet]

3oak > 4oak

[ebon condor]

its like pair >>>>>>> straight ~ hc ~ 3oak > 2pair ~ 4oak > everything else

[frank grove]

Yeah

[glad aspen]

Hot take here but i see the vision

[ebon condor]

~ is about equal to im not gonna get super into what specifically is better there

[frank grove]

flushes and full house are like bottom of the barrel hanging out with 5oak

[keen sleet]

same

[frank grove]

at least they're good for the first ante

[gentle basalt]

Pairs are very consistent
4 of a kind are very rewarding
3 of a kind is in between where its not very rewarding, and not very consistent either

[ebon condor]

all the secret hands are kinda shit for a8 too

[frank grove]

yeah

[ebon condor]

and strushes are strushes

[frank grove]

i wish strushes were good

[keen sleet]

3oak is alot more consistent than 4oak atleast

[long tapir]

send more runs, we need more runs for an experiment

[wise cliff]

deadass got planet merchant as my voucher in the shop 3 times in a row

they really gotta change vouchers so they won't show up again for a bit

[ebon condor]

honestly wouldnt be a horrible change

[humble gulch]

Bruh

[ebon condor]

at least so they cant appear twice in a row

[gentle basalt]

Why care about vouchers though? They are just an extra bonus, not something you depend on

[frank grove]

no but its kinda annoying to see planet merchant for 3 antes in a row

[gentle basalt]

The game is telling you to take it

[keen sleet]

some vouchers are game winning

i feel like

[gentle basalt]

What vouchers?
Only telescope might be game winning, but its quite far really

[ebon condor]

vouchers are probably even more swingy than spectrals which is really funny bc spectrals are supposed to be swingy

[glossy mortar]

1. Pair
2. 4 OAK
3. High Card
4. Flush
5. Flush 5
6. 5 OAK
7. Flush House
8. Two Pair
9. Full House
10. Straight
11. 3 OAK
12. Straight Flush

[gentle basalt]

Maybe with some specific set ups, like magic trick + hologram

[glossy mortar]

Okay I think that makes sense.

Honestly though some of those are very situational and interchangeable.

[frank grove]

Hand vouchers are always good to take if you can

[ebon condor]

yknow this honestly isnt terrible though straight and 3oak that low is comedic

[keen sleet]

3oak being that low is

[candid niche]

world's greatest ouija... on a perishable sixth sense...

[terse vale]

hhhhh

[wise cliff]

not when you're going for naneinf lol

[frank grove]

3oak being so much lower than 4oak is interesting why?

[keen sleet]

[terse vale]

two pair below flush

[glad aspen]

Full house 2 pair, and 3 oak being so low speaks volumes

[glad aspen]

You get ut

[gentle basalt]

Personally speaking, why try for naneinf? I did it, it was boring, i will never do it again

[glossy mortar]

3 OAK is bad, like genuinely so bad. It needs to be buffed like really really badly.

[vestal copper]

flush as 4th is ragebait

[terse vale]

??? no

[keen sleet]

nope

[wise cliff]

so I can say I did it

[keen sleet]

3oak is great

it scales pretty well for the amount of deck fixing needed

[vestal copper]

3oak is decent bruh 😭

[proper pollen]

3oak is worse than full house, because full house has a higher score.

[ebon condor]

like 3oak isnt as good as this server was saying like a few months ago but its still ok

[glossy mortar]

3 OAK scales like shit. If you are playing this game you are likely going for pairs, and if you are going for pairs, building the deck towards more of that same card is likely what is happening, however switching from pairs to 3 OAK is bad because 3 OAK has really bad scaling for how hard it is to play. Instead you should just focus on pairs and take Mars when pairs don’t show up in packs, then eventually when you have enough you switch to 4 OAK. In the rare chance you get enough deck fixing you instead switch to one of the unlock hands instead like 5 OAK or even Flush 5.

[slow iris]

1. pair
2. four of a kind
3. straight
4. tree of a kind
5. two pair
6. hgih car d

other hands aren't actually real sorry :/

little thought was put into this btw

[frank grove]

why are you deck fixing to one rank to play pairs?

[vestal copper]

taxevasion~1

[keen sleet]

why would you switch from playing pair to 3oak??

[ebon condor]

the benefit of pairs is that you dont have to do that

[frank grove]

exactly

[humble gulch]

Just in case, I've been there...

It can be a seal tho

[ebon condor]

the cool thing with 3oak is that its solid if you cant get any pair activators early enough

[frank grove]

i mean yeah sometimes youll make more purple seals or blue seals and gold cards and stuff

[glossy mortar]

2 pair suffers from the same issue straights do where it’s unreliable to pull it. 3 oak is just bad scaling, and full house has the issue of both of those combined. However they aren’t ordered that way because more often then not you can play them as you build for something else.

[frank grove]

what

[ebon condor]

with like a venus or 2 as backup you can get 3oak rolling pretty easily

[frank grove]

how are you missing 2pair draws ?

[glossy mortar]

… are you also hard of reading?

[terse vale]

3oak has fine scaling what

[frank grove]

is that your only argument?

that they cant read your statement that doesnt make any sense to begin with

[glad aspen]

"2 pair" and "unreliable" in the same breath oh im done interacting

[keen sleet]

switching from pair to 3oak is definitely not something someone should do

[vestal copper]

you friendly neighbourhood amphy's sunday ragebait

[proper pollen]

amphy is a division 1 troller I believe

[terse vale]

“3oak bad because you can’t pivot from pairs”

[terse vale]

no its real he blocked me

[glossy mortar]

Yes… which is why 3 OAK is bad. You can’t build off it. I can’t tell if you are agreeing or disgareeing with me. Can I get some tone indicators here?

[glad aspen]

Guys what deck should i gold stake next

[frank grove]

guys 3oak bad because you need to use your discards to find one

[errant brook]

I just got back, Straight is not even close to the 2nd worst hand in the game

[ebon condor]

admittedly that is its issue

[vestal copper]

zodiac

[errant brook]

3OAK is better than Full House most of the time

[keen sleet]

do i have to agree? do i have to disagree?
why should you care

[ebon condor]

and also the issue with pretty much every hand in this game

[errant brook]

Full House is the worst of the main hands

[frank grove]

that is an issue but not like ... bottom 3 hands worth of an issue

[glad aspen]

This makes sense but i dissagree

[errant brook]

What is the worst one then?

[vestal copper]

sflush

[glad aspen]

Probably full house

[errant brook]

Oh wait yes

[vestal copper]

????

[errant brook]

Straight Flush is worse than Full House

[proper pollen]

wrong. Consider that full house scores more than a high card.

[glossy mortar]

I mean. You don’t. It’s just you are being confusing so I’m trying to understand your point. But if you aint have a point, that’s fine. I don’t mind either way.

[ebon condor]

straight flush has some applications tbh every so often you get a straight build that goes into a strush build

[frank grove]

Yeah

[ebon condor]

i genuinely have no idea what youd have to be doing to go fh

[vestal copper]

"i disagree that full house is the worst" "whats the worst then" "prob full house"

[frank grove]

straight flush is fine cause it atleast scales very fast

[ebon condor]

like how do you get into that situation

[errant brook]

The issue with Straight Flush is if you're doing what you should be doing, you probably leveled up Straight enough that you wouldn't want to play Straight Flush by the time you can

[frank grove]

whilst full house does nothing

[proper pollen]

full house is genuinely close to being in the top 10 best hands in this game

[glossy mortar]

I got 101, though those for some stupid reason don’t count challenge runs, if you included those I’de probably be at like 250 lol.

[glad aspen]

I dislike that straight flush and royal flush are categorized as different hands

[errant brook]

Wait you have 100 regular wins and 150 challenge wins?

[ebon condor]

oh please not this

[frank grove]

LMAO

[keen sleet]

my point is that 3oak is something you go for at ante 3-4, once you got some deckfixing and planets to go for it

I'm surprised you even came up with that because switching to 3oak while you're already commited to pair is just bad (most of the time)

[glad aspen]

Is this a thing im sorry 😭

[keen sleet]

so yes

i disagree

[ebon condor]

yeah ive heard this a lot and the argument falls apart instantly

[errant brook]

3OAK is the perfect example of a "Roll with what the game gives you" hand

If the game gives you Venus cards early and you have the 3x mult when playing 3OAK joker, yeah play 3OAK

[proper pollen]

yeah switching hand type when you have invested a bunch of resources into your current one Is Bad. we are innovating the balalro discussion space.