🕹・game-discussion

[pale wolf]

actually balatro is getting cancelled in 2

You won't be able to play it anymore

[fiery nymph]

whattt!!

[turbid smelt]

Wait guys so u didn’t answer my question if I theoretically had nan inf dollars can I use bull joker to naninf

[shell dagger]

oh

[fiery nymph]

nooooooooo

[fiery nymph]

i guess bro

[pale wolf]

pretty sure yeah

[turbid smelt]

New Nan inf method

[fiery nymph]

you cant really grow money exponentially

[frank notch]

you cant have infinite money

[turbid smelt]

Mods

[pale wolf]

I think it would just be nan dollars

not sure tho

[turbid smelt]

How many nans does it take to naninf

[frank notch]

bull would give 0 chips with nan money

[fiery nymph]

🦨

[turbid smelt]

A nan inf is like 3 nans right

[frank notch]

theyre the same

interchangeable

[pale wolf]

they're both exceptions, they aren't numbers

[willow frost]

bull naneinf is not the most exciting thing if youre using mods

[frank grove]

well on plasma you wouldnt need nan money for bull to nan right?

[pale wolf]

you wouldnt need it anyways

[turbid smelt]

Is there Balatro mods on mac?

[frank notch]

i wish i could play cryptid/entropy but it accidentally unlocked all on my main profile twice and i had to reset

[pale wolf]

just under

[slow iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1368056683913543690/KY3Jgat.mp4?ex=69c152d2&is=69c00152&hm=fbe4380e75751aac1b19e1909a6a0e4f4fcf7d493ce79997db62858f3d7b0d98&

idk why people just don't do this

[turbid smelt]

OMG I was just talking about this

[fiery nymph]

😭 😭

[frank notch]

naneinf is an infective number, numbers which are compared to it become it

[visual niche]

should the next deck i beat on gold stake be the Black deck? or is that one of the final things i should do

i have like 7 others left

[slow iris]

seems way easier than baron mime

[shell dagger]

It’s not even a number

it’s in the name

[frank notch]

value

[fiery nymph]

wait what are these hands and discards lmao

[turbid smelt]

Wait how does -1 discards work

And how do I play half a hand

[light oak]

should I take ecto or nah (I already got a paint brush)

[turbid smelt]

Is it like half the score

[slow iris]

don't mind the hands

[willow frost]

correct

[turbid smelt]

Ugh pair slop is fire

[fiery nymph]

really isnt

its boring to play

[turbid smelt]

Local thunk

This is the only glitch I like

But it’s annoying when it soft locks you

[heavy heron]

oops all 10s and 4s

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[visual niche]

this round 4 is going reaaally well

[ember linden]

I hate Ceremonial Dagger

[summer horizon]

Third gold stake!

Cloud nine with a starting 9 nines was an autowin

And the joker in the middle just enabled 5 of a kind

[light oak]

should I js sell dusk

[heady gyro]

KILL dusk

NOW

[mossy shell]

What should I sell for bloodstone? I have level 21 flushes

[fiery nymph]

you didnt need the walkie, trading card, or acrobat for this 😭 crazy work

[slow iris]

why do you have burglar

[fiery nymph]

honestly ive never seen a flush house run WITH mime

[light oak]

I copy with brainstorm for more hands

[serene forge]

white stake emote

[slow iris]

why though

[heavy heron]

i needed the trading card and acrobat all run mostly

before mime was

[light oak]

so I can more likely get my winning cards

[heavy heron]

dusk and chad

[fiery nymph]

for the fixing yeah but im mostly talking scoring

yk

[heavy heron]

so the mime was just for the funsy final play

but in reality

chad dusk acrobat

was 1.2 million

i just took mine for the funny final hand

since i had sm steel

and hand size from skip + troubadour

[fiery nymph]

walkie talky also doing like

a fraction of planet levels

[heavy heron]

LOOLLL yea

i needed him in the beginning

and it gave me direction

[fiery nymph]

hes solid he prompts you to fix to tens

or 4s

[heavy heron]

with dusk chad he carried very hard, when i had no flush house levels

so walkie was important

[fiery nymph]

honestly with that layer of fixing i wouldve gone for flush fives

[ember linden]

Gold Stake

[heavy heron]

nahhhh

flush house scales better

although flush five easier to make probably

[fiery nymph]

yeah its easier

[heavy heron]

well maybe not

you can strength 9s and 3s for flush house

flush five you can only strength the rank below

[serene forge]

why not hit the new run button

it would give you the same result while saving time

[fiery nymph]

that is true, but ur trying to increase your odds of two seperate ranks at the same time

trying to keep it balanced enough for the flush house

[heavy heron]

trading card just

fixed everything for me

[fiery nymph]

fixing just wins games

[heavy heron]

yeaaaa

[fiery nymph]

an early trading card or dna is very likely to win

[heavy heron]

maybe not DNA

trading card yes

DNA you need a good card to copy first

[mossy shell]

I haven't unlocked the joker that needs 100,000,000 points yet, this is the closest I've gotten with 16 million chips

[fiery nymph]

this was a dna run i did today

[heavy heron]

trading card increases your odds of drawing ALL the cards you need, vs DNA only increases your odds of drawing ONE card you need

[fiery nymph]

you can tell the difference honestly

a lot more if the card you want but it doesnt skim the deck

[heavy heron]

that’s a lot of aces…

[fiery nymph]

heres the contrary with trading card

i personally like trading card more

because destroying cards is way better than adding more

[upper spade]

I have no idea where I'm going with this.

[heavy heron]

my latest aces build

[heavy heron]

yup! 100%

[fiery nymph]

idk how you do flush builds with steel cards 😭 😭

[heavy heron]

LOOLLL

when you have a tarot generator of some kind, you’re not always guaranteed the tarots you may want

however

you’re guaranteed ONE kind of tarot you may ewant

for example

if i find no deaths

i may find a lot of chariots and justices instead

[heavy heron]

so i lay them down (and pray i find a juggler)

[fiery nymph]

speaking of tarots

[heavy heron]

discard the glass for later use

however if i don’t find chariots or justices, maybe i find more deaths or fools

and that in itself is a workaround

so like

i always end up with steel or glass builds because

[fiery nymph]

fair enough honestly, i just dont worry about the steels though

[heavy heron]

you’re almost guaranteed 1 or the other in some way if you have ONE source of tarot generation

whether it’s purple seals or a joker

[fiery nymph]

like my goal is ante 8 so why bother going so overboard

thats how i see it at least

[slow iris]

for fun

[heavy heron]

this was like 3 runs ago

[fiery nymph]

yeah exactly its for fun

[heavy heron]

eternal hallucination

BEST choice

ever

[fiery nymph]

peak

[heavy heron]

half of those steel cards were from 1 single chariot

and some deaths but when i couldn’t find deaths i found gold

or more chariots

[heavy heron]

so it’s kinda… always in your favor

[fiery nymph]

hallu is very nice

[heavy heron]

i think my favorite common joker

it actually 100% is

[fiery nymph]

it just rewards you for doing what you would do anyways

[heavy heron]

exactly it’s such a game changed

[heavy heron]

how have you found more blueprints than chads

[fiery nymph]

i just pick up less chads

[heavy heron]

or rather, completed more rounds with blueprint than chad

that’s funny

[heavy heron]

HMM fair

[lunar zealot]

Good morrow gents

[fiery nymph]

but yeah hallu just helps you fix

and you dont have to do much except just have it there

and i hardly find the 1-2 chance to be a problem tbh

[wintry ice]

for some reason that's the most kami pokemon

[fiery nymph]

fr

[edgy stone]

How can you combine Green and Rebate?

[lunar zealot]

i would have thought it was ogerpon since i've had it as a pfp for years

[fiery nymph]

green doesnt disable ur discards

and also, i dont always use them together

[lunar zealot]

It is inherently anti synergistic but rebate is so good it's worth it

[fiery nymph]

and in a lot of cases rebate offers more than a single mult

[lunar zealot]

always weigh the pros and cons

[fiery nymph]

like if you have 2 10s in hand and rebate is on 10s

[lunar zealot]

and if the pros outweigh the cons then good shit

[fiery nymph]

especially when considering how much a single mult is

compared to 10$

[turbid smelt]

Trib my beloved

[slow iris]

losing 1 or 2 mult becomes less relevant the more you scale green joker

[turbid smelt]

Not bad for ante 5

[fiery nymph]

matters early game if anything

[harsh relic]

wheres green

[lunar zealot]

you only need like +30 mult on any +mult joker

What matters is you get your flat values up enough for it to be actually raised by xmult

[fiery nymph]

and honestly as long as ur scaling 2 mult a round with grimbo once ur more settled with like 30 mult ur completely fine

[tranquil steppe]

Okay jokerless wasn’t even hard. Beat it on the 3rd try. Golden needle was much harder

[fiery nymph]

i usually get rid of grimbo after planets anyways

[lunar zealot]

not really recommended?

planets aren't everything per se

It's good if you want stickers though

[harsh relic]

both took me hours 🥀

[lunar zealot]

just more consistent to keep a joker you already have

[fiery nymph]

depending on what i see ofc, sometimes if i get the right stuff to pivot and its overall better than pairs

[slow iris]

i beat cruelty, golden needle, and jokerless first try

[fiery nymph]

other cases i just stay on grimbo for the rest of the run

but if im scaling 4oak planets that could be pivoted

[edgy stone]

This is my greenboy. +80mult thanks to burglar

[lunar zealot]

Well yes!

[lunar zealot]

I'm surprised that wins

well it beats everything except maybe crimson heart

[slow iris]

500 hands

[edgy stone]

My best hand is 80k score. And yes could be trouble if crimson

[fiery nymph]

and i honestly always get mars planets in my pair runs

because its a great hand

[gentle prism]

did roffle just scored naneinf in gold stake

[slow iris]

did he

[gentle prism]

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hz7Qbn2g6Y

[lunar zealot]

Oh my god

Crying sound effect

vomit sound effect

what level was pair at

[compact gazelle]

either 2 or 20
place your bets now

[wet burrow]

Is it possible to do bean bug after scoring naneinf? Or will i get cooked by crash?

[lunar zealot]

If you get naneinf, back out and back in

if you play a hand your game crashes

[edgy stone]

I played 2 pairs. I couldnt find any blue seal so just spamming and hope

[lunar zealot]

aka you cant do bean bug

[compact gazelle]

so
what hand type then

[wet burrow]

Nah but i got naneinf at ante 25 and im wondering if i can beat 32

[whole wyvern]

Chat what the hell is this

[lunar zealot]

Two pair

you idioy

you abdolute buffon

[slow iris]

it's peak

[fiery nymph]

thats actually really good

[compact gazelle]

lmfao im a brick

[wet burrow]

Temperance booster

[fiery nymph]

temperance value!!

[ember linden]

[fiery nymph]

probably better that what usually comes out of those tags

[compact gazelle]

in my defense
it reads as “i played 2 (the number) pairs (the hand type)”

:3

[lunar zealot]

Buffoom

[compact gazelle]

spelling “buffoon” correctly
attempt 3 for kami

[lunar zealot]

i don't have to spell correctly

Also my nails are too long

[night turret]

Amazing balala man does it again

[compact gazelle]

yea you do
otherwise how are we supposed to read what you typed incorrectly

[compact gazelle]

skill issue
dagger them

[frank notch]

challengeA: naneinf on black deck gold stake

or nebula

[compact gazelle]

black arguably makes it easier than some other decks

after you clear the early game

[green meteor]

Obviously take it

[frank notch]

nebula then

[lunar zealot]

the hmuan biarn can atculaly raed mssgeaes lkie tihs bausece it wrkos on ptteran rocitiegonn

[compact gazelle]

now that’s cancer

[green meteor]

Indestructible temperance value

[slow iris]

painted deck naneinf

[compact gazelle]

sure but now you’re making me do extra steps in my head before i can misread your message

[frank notch]

what a delightful booster pack

[fiery nymph]

personally i would skip

[compact gazelle]

look synergy

[fiery nymph]

and do the next round

[frank notch]

REALLY???

[wintry ice]

i'd take the straight chip joker

for safety

[frank notch]

i was gonna take triomult and die on ante 2 small blind

[wintry ice]

actually the other guy would actually help here

because

abandoned deck

[compact gazelle]

both are better here

[frank notch]

i skipped

[fiery nymph]

actually 3oak is nice nvm

okay..

[lavish gazelle]

Yeah 3oak

[fiery nymph]

too bad they skipped

i should play more abandoned

seems like my type of deck

[compact gazelle]

it’s peak

[fiery nymph]

its pretty much a fixed deck from the start

[frank notch]

i dont like abandoned deck since i cant make an ace-high straight

on ante 1 round 1

and win in 1 hand

[quartz salmon]

What was I supposed to do in this situation? I found no voucher skips and couldn’t find retcon or directors cut

[fiery nymph]

makes up for the fixed deck

[turbid smelt]

Bro I just hit e11 on ante 5

[frank notch]

whats fixed about it

[turbid smelt]

What the fuck

[fiery nymph]

all the face cards

are gone

[frank notch]

i like face cards tho

[lunar zealot]

make fhouse

[fiery nymph]

i typically dont like using face cards to score

[frank notch]

pairs solo

[gentle prism]

what are your jokers

[frank notch]

(in general)

[lunar zealot]

No you buffoon

[gentle prism]

if you're playing idol or baron ur cooked

[lunar zealot]

make full house on round 1

[gentle prism]

yeah

cooked

[turbid smelt]

Yo did I break a world record

E11 on ante 5

[rocky canopy]

What is the ideal joker situation in vanilla? Like what set of jokers would be the optimal set for any situation?

[fiery nymph]

you didnt

[lunar zealot]

Depends on deck and game state

[gentle prism]

maybe you could try to roll a few suit changes

[lunar zealot]

generally a scaling +mult joker, a scaling +chips joker, an econ joker, and then xmult

[frank notch]

i wish abandoned deck gave you 10 eternal negative madnesses to make up for ante 1 round 1

[quartz salmon]

I can’t even make the score requirement it’s ante 26 I need retcon for serpent

[gentle prism]

look the seed to see what you get

[gentle prism]

can't you survive 1 ante

[quartz salmon]

No

[gentle prism]

hopefully you roll retcon

kek

[quartz salmon]

Past ante 24 u can’t win

[gentle prism]

you didn't even find directors cut

[quartz salmon]

No

[gentle prism]

it's gg

[frank notch]

honestly i might go abstract here just to survive

or space

[gentle prism]

take flower pot

[frank notch]

FUCK no

[lunar zealot]

Take abstract here brother

[gentle prism]

nah you can survive it's ante 1

[lunar zealot]

Well actually you could

and it's not eternal

[frank notch]

flower pot sucks

[lunar zealot]

play straights

[fiery nymph]

abstract is nice here

[lunar zealot]

Anecdotal

[frank notch]

either bp or abstract

[lunar zealot]

flower pot is surprisingly great for straights

Basically uncommon the order

[frank notch]

i never play straights

[fiery nymph]

you take blueprint ur dying probably

[frank notch]

i force my builds into pairslop

[lunar zealot]

it's just for ante 1

[gentle prism]

so ur gay

[rocky canopy]

Let's say I managed to get 5 before the first Boss Blind, deck hasn't been modified yet. What then?

[lunar zealot]

just play pot until you can sell out of it

[gentle prism]

straights is the best build

most fun

[lunar zealot]

+mult, +chips, econ, xmult

[frank notch]

i dont play gays either

[fiery nymph]

blueprint is high risk high reward abstract is just consistent and good

[lunar zealot]

that's really the bread and butter

[rocky canopy]

I was more wondering about exact cards

Also what is econ

[frank notch]

took abstract

[lunar zealot]

Econ is anything that helps you get money in some way

[rocky canopy]

Oh

[lunar zealot]

money is everything in balatro

[cloud sinew]

$ balance, $ generation, and $ supplementation

[lunar zealot]

so having a strong economy is also everything

[worthy tinsel]

yeah is mostly a straight joker, until splash

[lunar zealot]

fpot splash isn't real

just deckfix and draw better

[worthy tinsel]

[heady gyro]

"balatro is a economy sim larping as a poker game" - that one power point guy

[fiery nymph]

the humble vagabond

[lunar zealot]

Vagabond works because it's so strong

it's an outlier in that regard

[fiery nymph]

i love vaga for that

[lunar zealot]

even then you still want a stable economy with vagabond

with end of round econ

[fiery nymph]

it also generates you a lot of money after each round

[lunar zealot]

A la gold cards and cloud 9

[fiery nymph]

like i sometimes get 80+

by lucky cards

enough for vouchers and packs and spectrals

[lunar zealot]

You can't spawn jokers out of thin air

work with what you get and decide what is and isn't good for your build at the moment

[rocky canopy]

I mean yes but just like hypothetically

[lunar zealot]

There's 150 jokers and you want me to narrow it down to 5

what's the criteria

gold stake or endless

[rocky canopy]

....damn, I didn't think about that

I know nothing about any stake or deck except the white stake and the red deck.

[heady gyro]

thats what smart people who dont take riff raff think

[lunar zealot]

Beebee bolagaga bababalahe

[heady gyro]

its ok it took me 6 months to get to gold stake can't get worse than that

[lunar zealot]

Eh play the game don't let us police your experience

do watch drspectred though

best balatro content creator on youtube

lets you learn the game better than how anyone here can teach you

[rocky canopy]

Well I also added on a mod and I'm trying to get a hang of the mod so I'm sticking to the easiest stake. Not going to anything harder until I win at least one game with the mod on.

[frank notch]

get to or beat

[lunar zealot]

He's also lowkey fine as hell but don't tell him i said that

[heady gyro]

get to

[frank notch]

always play pairs when possible

[fiery nymph]

the goat 🥹

[frank notch]

pairs are the best hand

[heady gyro]

eeeeeh....

i find more succsess with flushes

but what do i know

im bad

[frank notch]

it is the best hand this is nonrefutable

[rocky canopy]

Honestly I have trouble watching people play Balatro for extended periods. Something about the game is just so boring when I'm not the one playing. Like watching someone play poker IRL, it's just not my kind of thing.

[lunar zealot]

Anecdotal

it's counter intuitive to believe but pairs are like

Great

[fiery nymph]

the gold stake meta

[frank notch]

pairs are easy to form and synergize with a lot of jokers

[lunar zealot]

you have to understand that if you think from the perspective of gold stake players then a lot of hands just fall off a cliff

[lunar zealot]

mainly because of blue stake

[heady gyro]

i dunno, i just get sharp dopamine hit whenever i see saturn and jupiter

[rocky canopy]

I have never gotten anywhere with pairs unless I had some overpowered joker combo already in place.

[frank notch]

it also beats out high card due to a 33% chips advantage

[lunar zealot]

So are you going to listen to us talk or talk about your fried dopamine receptors

[rocky canopy]

When I was playing pairs a lot I would kinda fail at ante 2.

[lunar zealot]

It's hard to understand at first

[lunar zealot]

on white stake just play whatever

You'll win 100% of the time

[frank notch]

pairs are better mid late game

[lunar zealot]

drspectred talks about pairs

roffle talks about pairs

a lot of people here talk about pairs

[fiery nymph]

the pair PROBLEM

[rocky canopy]

Flushes I win 80% of the time. Pairs, I have to hope that ante 2's big blind is the end of the game instead of ante 8's boss blind.

[heady gyro]

didn't think it was a problem

[lunar zealot]

pairs alone can't beat a blind

that's what jokers are for

and pairs have an insane amount of joker synergies

let's start from the beginning i feel

Why do we lose balatro runs

because we don't score enough to beat the boss blind

[worthy tinsel]

my most used planet is jupiter and mercury second, but Jupiter is first because of Ancient Joker

[lunar zealot]

this can happen for 3 reasons

and only 3 reasons

[frank notch]

wee here or no

[rocky canopy]

My losses are mainly big blinds

[lunar zealot]

1. Your jokers aren't good enough

[tranquil oasis]

flushes

[lunar zealot]

2. the boss blind counters you

[heady gyro]

same man...

[lunar zealot]

3. You can't draw your hand

see how pairs get around all 3 of these criteria?

[rocky canopy]

What if the loss is frequently on a big blind and the problem is getting enough score

[frank notch]

your jokers aren't good enough

[fiery nymph]

thats because your jokers arent good enough

[lunar zealot]

getting enough score due to?

reason 1

[true thunder]

do you guys know how roffle says "perkeo"?

what if that's how we pronouced pokemon

[lunar zealot]

idk i pronounce it per kay o

[tranquil oasis]

per KAY o

[fiery nymph]

same

[heady gyro]

i always said it "perky-oh"

[tranquil oasis]

perk E o

I say it like that

[true thunder]

yeah just like him

[lunar zealot]

pairs have wonderfully good joker synergies, are resilient to much more boss blinds and are child's play to draw

The problem is getting to the point where pairs are self sufficient, because pairs can't win on their own

get like

ride the bus

or something

gg

[frank notch]

i pronounce it "purr key oh"

[tranquil oasis]

yeah but like

[frank notch]

rhymes with kirkeo

[rocky canopy]

This is why I play mainly flushes, pairs just don't do enough with the jokers I tend to get. I tend to go for like... Misprint, Hanging Chad, Odd Todd or Even Steven, Gros Michel, and then whatever random thing I get that works at the time.

[tranquil oasis]

flush

[fiery nymph]

dont tell a new player to ride the bus 💔 they DEPEND on face card scoring

green joker

[heady gyro]

charlie charlie kirky tryna pop a perky-o

[lunar zealot]

flushbros tend to undervalue scaling +mult jokers because jupiter scales by +2 mult per

[fiery nymph]

it works just no one wants to follow it

[lunar zealot]

but mercury only scales by +1 mult per

[mossy shell]

For score you need chips and mult, mult is almost entirely given by jokers, and for chips pairs levels scales extremely better than straights or flushes

[lunar zealot]

and most +mult jokers scale at that speed or faster

[rocky canopy]

Oh I overvalue them, I go for those exclusively and get screwed because it decides to only give me chips Jokers

[lunar zealot]

Because you play flushes and can't scale them

remember to use all 4 hands

[tranquil oasis]

has someone done a run where they utilize royal flush is my question

[worthy tinsel]

mfw

[lunar zealot]

$1 to +1 mult is a great trade

[rocky canopy]

I tried, it was just impossibly difficult to line up

I managed about 3 hands in a row and that was it

[lunar zealot]

watch drspectred my friend

[fiery nymph]

aka balatro university

[rocky canopy]

Scale?

[fiery nymph]

does he have a discord

i think i should join it

[heady gyro]

i love flushes....

i also love clubs

[rocky canopy]

I level up my hands, is that scaling

[fiery nymph]

the only flush i like is flush five

[heady gyro]

my sticker...

[lunar zealot]

To scale is to become stronger

[rocky canopy]

I mean yes

[lunar zealot]

a scaling joker is one that can become stronger over time

[rocky canopy]

You can level up a flush

[terse vale]

aww feferi

[lunar zealot]

for example

green joker

[fiery nymph]

but ur missing the jokers

[lunar zealot]

+1 mult per hand

[terse vale]

wait

[rocky canopy]

OH! But then what do you mean by scaling a flush

[heady gyro]

holy shit

[lunar zealot]

and that makes it one of the strongest jokers in the game

[terse vale]

is that

[lunar zealot]

By playing flush you score too high

because flushes on average score more than pairs

[rocky canopy]

Isn't that the point though

[lunar zealot]

which means you win the round too fast to scale scaling jokers

[heady gyro]

isnt the point of the game to score high

[fiery nymph]

you dont want to score high

you want to scale

[rocky canopy]

What? But like... they do scale.

[fiery nymph]

so you dont score less later

[lunar zealot]

use resources effectively when you get the chance to

[rocky canopy]

The jokers do scale even if you win

[lunar zealot]

let's make a concrete example

Let's say we have green joker that scales +1 mult per hand

if we play a flush to win the round we get +1 mult

but we have 3 hands remaining

if we play all our hands via a weak hand like pairs

we get +4 mult

[rocky canopy]

I don't think I've seen that Joker before

[fervent pebble]

is it bad to always be buying in the ante 1 round 1 shop

[heady gyro]

i have no idea what any of this jargin is i just play until i get lucky

[lunar zealot]

quadrupling the amount of scaling we could get

[lunar zealot]

On yellow deck i assume?

[fervent pebble]

just any deck

[lunar zealot]

Buy the joker pack

[heady gyro]

oh i love yellow deck, its what i have gold stake on

[fervent pebble]

okay'

ouh

[heady gyro]

holy shit A FLUSH JOKER

TAKE IT

NOW

[lunar zealot]

I love an early obelisk but are you sure you can win early without early scoring

[wary flicker]

obelisk

[lunar zealot]

be careful

[wary flicker]

red stake

[lunar zealot]

That's orange stake you buffoom

[heady gyro]

i've never used obelisk in my life its to ominous and forboding

makes me scared

[rocky canopy]

Settings > Colorblind Mode > On

Sorry to break it to you

[lunar zealot]

obelisk is really good but just unappealing for new players

[fervent pebble]

if i get enough to score what hand do i spam

[night turret]

Might wanna go to the eye doc buddy

[lunar zealot]

first impressions are everything

[lunar zealot]

pares

[fervent pebble]

too early to highcard right

[lunar zealot]

Pairs

[fervent pebble]

yeah

[lunar zealot]

2 of a kind

[heady gyro]

ol reliable

flush!

[fiery nymph]

dont spam highcards because that risks a reset for obelisk

[lunar zealot]

i haven't had an obelisk run in a hot minute

just unlucky

I've seen yorick more than obelisk this past month ffs

[fervent surge]

Guys, sorry for interupting yall, im kinda new, i need help, wich do i sell for verdeant leaf?

[fiery nymph]

i always find it in my runs where i cant pivot

[lunar zealot]

First of all copy constellation

second of all sell hallu

[night turret]

Scary face or Halu

[worthy tinsel]

me too but mostly with AJ or 2 of the uncommon gems
rip +8 onyx agate

[lunar zealot]

Sell it DURING the boss blind

[frank notch]

unprecedented non-pairslop run (it was 2pairslop)

[lunar zealot]

Do not sell it now

sell it DURING the boss blind

[fervent surge]

Ik, thanks

[lunar zealot]

Okay good

[heady gyro]

this is just cruel…

[lunar zealot]

chad

[worthy tinsel]

chad

[night turret]

Roffle would love this

[fervent surge]

Photochad pog

[worthy tinsel]

photo by itself is meh

[heady gyro]

well no duh but like c'mon why they seperating them

[fiery nymph]

photograph is horrible

its a really bad joker without retriggers

[heady gyro]

my forbbiden yaoi was never meant to be...

[night turret]

Forbenende yuri

[heady gyro]

you get me

[night turret]

once had a brainstorm and a blue print in the same shop

[fiery nymph]

2x mult at the start of ur hands is genuinely tragic

[night turret]

Only had the money for one...

[fervent pebble]

perishable mystic summit 2 shops in a row 💔

[fiery nymph]

mystic is nice early

[night turret]

Taht summit really wants to be used

[fiery nymph]

i used to hate on it

[frank grove]

i hate drivers license so much

[fiery nymph]

but its like a gros

[wary flicker]

man I got bullied

[fervent pebble]

i mean any early +mult beats it

[fervent surge]

@lunar zealot thanks

[wary flicker]

sry I didnt open the pic up haha

[heady gyro]

i know its a pretty good card but me too

[wary flicker]

yh id pick the flush joker than

[worthy tinsel]

ye

[heady gyro]

the more i think about it the more i realize drivers lisense is a worse hologram

i love hologram...

i would marry that card

[lunar zealot]

They're not the same thing

hologram is scaling and license is static

[wary flicker]

hologram makes me sad because it is too strong

[worthy tinsel]

not the same
drivers is more like a cavendish

[wary flicker]

and not fun to use

[heady gyro]

yes but one only gives me x3 mult for for 16 cards and the other gives me a balatriollion points for literally no good reason

so...

hologram yum

[fiery nymph]

license is one of my least fav

[heady gyro]

i've only actually gotten cavendish only once now that i think about it

[lunar zealot]

Jesus christ what's even the point of talking to you

[heady gyro]

well thats awfully rude

[wintry ice]

so what's the context this time

[worthy tinsel]

kinda agree ngl

[wintry ice]

one gets activated from tarots and the other scales from deck bloating

not different in the slightest

(trust)

[worthy tinsel]

[heady gyro]

mhm

[fiery nymph]

i just feel like i either dont have enough enhancements or by the time i do i just dont need it

[wintry ice]

3x mult is 3x mult

[fervent pebble]

im alive somehow

[lunar zealot]

i wouldn't call license scaling at all

It's conditional

[fiery nymph]

yeah its 100% conditional

[heady gyro]

playing runner with no striaghts is fucking insane

[fervent pebble]

why would i play straights

[stable lion]

I got to like 10 X multiplier or 11 X with hologram because I had DNA and certificate

[fiery nymph]

?

[lunar zealot]

Time to pivot girl

You're at 20

when will you pivot

next run?

[fervent pebble]

is that enough

[fiery nymph]

runner is a pairs joker

[lunar zealot]

You should have pivoted when you are at 14

[heady gyro]

when i get runner i always just spam straights and pray

[stable lion]

Hologram my goat it won me my first win too

[lunar zealot]

14 is the magic number for obelisk

[fiery nymph]

runner chips are useless when straight planet scaling exists

[worthy tinsel]

runner with 0 chips and only for the holo is funny

[fervent pebble]

desperate for multi

[lunar zealot]

Yes that's why runner is a pair joker

[versed sable]

runner is there for chips into other hands

[worthy tinsel]

yeah but not in that build lol

[rancid gull]

I like to run straights with runner sometimes

[heady gyro]

i dunno man im a casual player i just do what i think would be cool

[heady gyro]

guess thats optimal

i wouldn't know tho

i dont play enough

[fervent pebble]

do i just go for any hands

idk how to play obelisk well

[worthy tinsel]

if you are on white stake is fine, anything can work
but on higher stakes well

[pale wolf]

obelisk showed up for fun i guess

[fiery nymph]

my fav thing to do with obelisk is go from pairs > 3oak > 4oak

and it wins

[heady gyro]

im trying to win gold stake with yellow deck and its mostly just me praying to get lucky

[fiery nymph]

i really like to pivot from pairs to 4oak

maybe flush five

[fervent pebble]

whats the average of misprint

[fervent pebble]

ill try that

[fiery nymph]

if you have less time just go to 4oak

pick up mars

[lunar zealot]

Play the highest possible hand you can plau

then go down the line

just go crazy my man

For this run specifically prioritize straights

[fervent pebble]

alright

[lunar zealot]

11?

it's 0 to 23

[fervent pebble]

is this ggs

[terse vale]

noe…

wait

pants sorry

[fervent pebble]

why do i still have sly

[terse vale]

I think so

I mean

ice cream could prolly go

[whole wyvern]

What's the easiest deck/combo to get the nest egg achievement? ($400+ in bank)

[terse vale]

anaglyph

thats it

[flat tiger]

when these happens in the same section lol (I died before vamp got going)

[mossy shell]

[rustic swallow]

cavendish?

swash is at +56, constellation is at x2.2, throwback is x2.75

[rocky tiger]

sell giftcard or swash

[rustic swallow]

ok

[flat tiger]

the "sell consellation just to get stickers on icecream & ramen" moment

[zinc sigil]

I fucking beat purple stake for the first time

This shit took so long

[fervent pebble]

have fun with orange man

❤️

[frail ingot]

Gg no baron

[tranquil oasis]

I mean

if your just getting stickers get rid of trading card prolly

[flat tiger]

i didnt even got photochad at all until red stake, but then I get like 10 PhotoChad run I amd starting to get tired of it

[zinc sigil]

[frail ingot]

Bruh i can't use the spectral

[cinder pulsar]

Yo guys whats yalls favorite card combo

[flat tiger]

cert hologram

[cinder pulsar]

Tuff

[flat tiger]

• marble

its funny build, not endless tough

[dusty void]

Guys I have a stake idea

[cinder pulsar]

I love astronomer and constellation

Goated combo

[flat tiger]

planets are not expensive tough

[cinder pulsar]

Still

Saves money

[flat tiger]

if it buffs planet chance then its an actual combo

if anything astronomer combos campfire better

[cinder pulsar]

I was going to add campfire too lol

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[serene forge]

punished for taking photograph

[dusty void]

True

[flat tiger]

everyone love blood stone when it high roll and get you through, everyone hates bloodstone when it low rolsl and screw you

[serene forge]

i hate bloodstone all the time

[dusty void]

Bloodstone just sucks without 6s

[serene forge]

bloodstone just sucks period

[viral raft]

Bloodstone is always bad, incosistent asf

[dusty void]

Not fully cause I've won a few runs with it but even then

I'd rather ancient

With wilds

[viral raft]

Even in white stake i hate bloodstone

[dusty void]

Anyways

[flat tiger]

except you cant really control what joker spawn, you get what you can get

[serene forge]

ancient jonkler is what bloodstone wishes it could be

[dusty void]

I have an idea for a stake

Above gold

[serene forge]

which is why it's really fucking bad to use a joker that depends on another one to be functional

[viral raft]

Truthnuke🔥

[dusty void]

Basically

Jokers can be pre owned/used

And any number value it provides is halved

[noble nebula]

broken combo?

[dusty void]

E.g. baron would 0.75x instead

[dusty void]

Pretty good

Also certificate

And DNA

[flat tiger]

you get bloodstone when you get no better options, its like the early game jokers, you are never excited to see them you just get by with them and ditch when better stuff show up

[viral raft]

Is way better certificated with hologram🔥

[serene forge]

at least when i pick up jimbo i know i am getting 4 mult

and that i know i'm not building my run around jimbo

[fervent pebble]

setup to lose all my jokers in one round 🥹

[dusty void]

Guys what do we think about my beautiful idea

[viral raft]

Which one?

[dusty void]

This is like...
40k score?

[flat tiger]

i am still getting bloodstone (when heart) over jimbo if they are in the same pack

[dusty void]

I just sent it...
But I'll repeat it alr

Basically if they made a stake above gold

[frank grove]

im only doing this for the extra 2 dollars

[dusty void]

Where jokers can be "used"/pre owned

[serene forge]

also

[dusty void]

And any number values are halved

[frank grove]

there is no purpose on taking bloodstone with the intent to use it if you havent already got an oops

[dusty void]

Other than probabilities

[serene forge]

it really says a lot when you're comparing this joker that's obviously designed to be a win condition, to page 1 jokers

[frank grove]

😭

[viral raft]

Let me see

[dusty void]

I-I wrote it!

[flat tiger]

well most of the suit jokers (maybe except arrowhead) are just early game options

[dusty void]

I wrote it for you!

[dusty void]

Here!

[queen kindle]

i wee'd myself

[frank grove]

open box jokers 😭

[dusty void]

That was weezy

[serene forge]

what

onyx is an early game option to you

lol

[viral raft]

Imo can be good idea but some jokers would be just act weird with that

[serene forge]

lmao even

[viral raft]

Something like matador

[noble nebula]

?

[viral raft]

Which some work and other dont

[dusty void]

Matador would give $4 would it not?

[noble nebula]

wdym

[dusty void]

Hmm let me think

I guess vagabond

Would be weird

[flat tiger]

+35 late game is just okay no?

[dusty void]

Cause below $2?

[viral raft]

I mean passive joker per example, thoses jokers would act weird as hell in thoses situations

[noble nebula]

ts what its at rn

[viral raft]

Is really specific if you think about it

[dusty void]

Such as?

[serene forge]

uhhhhh no

[dusty void]

I just wanna know to see if I can refine it or some

[serene forge]

sell throwback

[cinder pulsar]

Yo chat what deck and build should i do? Lowkey bored

[serene forge]

abandoned

[noble nebula]

why

[cinder pulsar]

Alr

[flat tiger]

one day I will win with throwback by just skipping

[serene forge]

its bad

[noble nebula]

its at 3.5x

[serene forge]

why

[cinder pulsar]

What build tho

Should i do

For the funnies

[noble nebula]

bc i skip

[frank grove]

do a straight build if you can

[serene forge]

forcing builds is not a thing

[serene forge]

why

[noble nebula]

bc its good

for throwback

😃

[cinder pulsar]

Ik but what should i try and go for

[serene forge]

lesbian flush

[queen kindle]

wee was around 1k chips by the end

[serene forge]

skipping is not good and throwback is not good

[cinder pulsar]

Peak alr

[frank grove]

skipping is so bad even with throwback skipping is not worth it

[serene forge]

skipping for throwback is thus not good

[serene forge]

0.25x per skip lmfao

it's so comically bad

[flat tiger]

skipping only for 0.25 is not good enough

[frank grove]

it scales so slow for you missing the entire game

[serene forge]

throwback so bad you'd think it's a modded joker

[serene forge]

bro rerolled twice

[flat tiger]

0.5 multi per ante is so.... bad?

[frank grove]

yeah

you miss most of the entire game

[flat tiger]

it may actually start being an option if its 1X per ante

[frank grove]

even then

[serene forge]

Hi big nerd here time to run down some of the numbers of how much every single skip as a baseline loses out on to even be considered an option:
As an idea of just how much you lose per skip:

• Without vouchers or rerolling, the 2 shop slots is already $5 to see, let alone if you include the packs and voucher, or potentially rerolling
• Scaling from jokers
• Hand money (usually $3)
• Interest money (Hopefully $5)
  Idk man a butt ton of lost value for what is ultimately, something you already see on the shop 90% of the time, in the case of most to not say all skips

[frank grove]

you're missing 2 shops, interest building, hand money, scaling, blue seals and tons of packs

[flat tiger]

i still skip very first small blind ante 1 at times tough, after that its not really a consideration

[noble nebula]

who should i sell for bull (i dont wanna sell throwback bruh its on 4.5

[flat tiger]

$25 ante 1 is bigger then what I can usually get

[frank grove]

Yeah investment ante 1 is one of the rare times skipping is worth it

[worthy tinsel]

I mostly skip if interest, free shop or rare joker at ante 1

[edgy stone]

Fibo maybe

[flat tiger]

or on a bad streak I just say fuck it and skip for negative/foil free joker, you only get $3 if you draw a high flush anyway

[frank grove]

i hope 1.1 adds tag skip stats that would be neat

[zinc sigil]

Is this joker just horrible

I feel like I shot myself

[noble nebula]

whats telescope voucher

i got nebula deck

[zinc sigil]

Most played hand appears in all celestial packs

[frank grove]

I really like castle some people dont

[flat tiger]

ante 1 is almost as inconsistent as bloodstone

[zinc sigil]

How do you even play that

[noble nebula]

oh hell yeah im gonna get that high card

[fervent pebble]

which one

[zinc sigil]

The reset button

[noble nebula]

is photograph hanging chad the op one with high card?

[flat tiger]

bus as first joker usually got me killed in ante 1-2

[fervent pebble]

it only works if your hand level is high

[frank grove]

I try to play hands (usually pairs) to get 3 or more of the castle selected suit in my hand and then discard them and do that again

[noble nebula]

ohhh

cool cool cool

[worthy tinsel]

eh, at gold those are not soo good

but before orange sure why not

[noble nebula]

nebula deck heh

[heady fable]

Guys how does obelisk work

If i have 2 hands at the same amount of times played and I play one will it kill the obelisk or be fine

[flat tiger]

play a bucch of hands you dont plan on doing (like spamming high/pair) then start doing only the hands that you build for (flush/345 of a kind, etc)

[manic talon]

It will kill it, if you have 2 hands with the same highest amount it means both of them is your most played

[finite heron]

Obelisk will kill you

[flat tiger]

it can get you through ante 8 at times

[manic talon]

Skill issue

[finite heron]

User issue

I will reset the game if I see it

[fervent pebble]

delayed grat with ride the bus is so nice

[flat tiger]

obelisk is great when pivot happened and can happen at some point

[tranquil oasis]

why have 1 bitch when you can have 5

[worthy tinsel]

nah

[heady fable]

Yeah it did

Picked it while doing a pair build

Mistake

[worthy tinsel]

if you cant play anything else than pair then yes

[heady fable]

This was my first pair build today

[flat tiger]

you only lose $1-2 if you sell it

[heady fable]

Yeah I did the moment it reset

[edgy stone]

Sth I did forget and play pair, and opp!

[worthy tinsel]

I still dont remember when I did 9 two pairs but it worked

[flat tiger]

didnt realize at first but campfire is so much easier to use then obelisk lol

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[worthy tinsel]

yes, is just buy and sell

[serene forge]

noob

[serene forge]

how mistake

[lunar zealot]

Campfire is not the same kind of joker as obelisk

[serene forge]

obelisk is great for pair build

unless you have like 67 mercuries

[lunar zealot]

obelisk is your primary scaling joker you play towards

[worthy tinsel]

prob not enough mult and chips from jokers

[heady fable]

Well pair was already almost my most played hand

So

[lunar zealot]

campfire is a wincon joker

[serene forge]

yes

thats what you do with an obelisk

[edgy stone]

My best campfire is X8, with Obelisk is X13. Tough to use but it worth

[serene forge]

you want pair to be your buffer and not high card lol

[lunar zealot]

you buy obelisk when you can play towards it with hand agnostic jokers and want a consistent strong joker

[heady fable]

I didn't have anything to pivot to

[serene forge]

yes you did

[lunar zealot]

you buy campfire when ohhhhhh my goddddd im going to looooooose pleaaaase balatro i need this my mom is kinda homeless

[serene forge]

you could pivot to:
high card
two pair
3oak
literally anything that isn't a pair

[heady fable]

And the only other xmult was duo and I didn't have deck fixing for anything else

[lunar zealot]

Play the maximally difficult hand you can play whenever you can

[heady fable]

All of those hands but 3oak ended up being at the same amount of times played as pair

[lunar zealot]

you don't pivot to a hand with obelisk

you pivot out of a hand to literally everything else

[serene forge]

how

lol

[heady fable]

Yeah I picked it up too early to do that

[edgy stone]

Do you guys think Obelisk is best with Checkered Deck?

[serene forge]

that sounds like you didn't stack enough pairs

[lunar zealot]

Mmmm

maybe

[heady fable]

Yeah cause I picked it up too early

[lunar zealot]

flush is easier to buffer than pair if and only if obelisk is all you have

Otherwise obelisk is pretty deck agnostic

[serene forge]

you don't have to scale immediately

[lunar zealot]

Hell you could play painted obelisk

[worthy tinsel]

maybe?
didnt touch that deck in a long time

[lunar zealot]

abandoned obelisk

Erratic obelisk

obelisk's worst deck is black

[serene forge]

obelisk's worst deck is plasma because plasma is cringe and poopy and crappy and makes everything garbage when it enters a 50 mile radius of it

[edgy stone]

I think any joker is worse in Black, maybe Acrobat is not

[lunar zealot]

googoo gaga

[serene forge]

I don't have your bottle

[flat tiger]

praise the obelisk

[lunar zealot]

abstract

Stencil

Bbc

[serene forge]

gift card

[worthy tinsel]

dusk

[frank grove]

riff raff

[serene forge]

sw*shbuckler

[heady fable]

Hey I'm using him right now

[finite heron]

Hey man Frick you

[serene forge]

sorry I have a girlfriend

[fervent pebble]

didnt pair slop hard enough

[finite heron]

Bruh

[fervent pebble]

😔

[finite heron]

Uh

Detest

Detest

[edgy stone]

I hate Bloodlust

[serene forge]

I hate Geometry Dash

[robust lance]

Geometric run

[edgy stone]

Barely full 6 jokers. Like a poor Vagabond couldnt buy anything

[heavy heron]

ugh.. joker scoring

[crisp perch]

What a goofy 4oak build 😭

Won through the boss blind

Only got anaglyph plasma n erratic left to gold stake

Basically all at 0 tho 💔

[noble nebula]

the face card build

[void lintel]

[fringe nebula]

round 4

[potent tree]

bro...all i wanted was some econ and you give me this??

[edgy stone]

All we need is vampire

[noble nebula]

whats vampire

[potent tree]

removes card enhancements, adds xmult

0.1 per enhancement consumed

[edgy stone]

best scaling xmult with Midas and Paredolia

[heavy heron]

how the hell did you get exact

[fringe nebula]

421 chips x (115630 + 6 from red card)

[heavy heron]

fascinating

[frank grove]

many jombers

[pastel hatch]

ive finally hit a pretty decently sized wee

[wet burrow]

How do I escape this? 😭

[versed sable]

don't score naneinf during the run

[wet burrow]

i needed it for the stats page lol

wait my best hand says 0

??

[versed sable]

yuup

[wet burrow]

no way

[frank grove]

yeah it resets

[void lintel]

that's normal

[versed sable]

this game does not like naneinf very much

[frank grove]

cause nan means not a number

[wet burrow]

yeah

wait is it gone gone?

[versed sable]

gotta redo it

[wet burrow]

nahhhhhh

[frank grove]

yeah you start at 0 again so next run any highest score you get will be "high score"

[wet burrow]

😭

[heady fable]

Not a number sets your score to zero, but zero is a number, is the game stupid?

[versed sable]

you do naneinf once for the sake of showing it off in one screenshot and after that you just
score high without naneinf