🕹・game-discussion

[feral needle]

white stake scoring lets you get away with a lot

[echo sphinx]

least strongest econ

i keep underestimating it cuz wdym its $5 dollars when discarding a certain rank

[lunar zealot]

what the fuck is this joker

[echo sphinx]

and its 5 dollars

[lunar zealot]

you don't understand because dagger and holo are so greedy

[echo sphinx]

per card of that rank

[echo sphinx]

i know

dagger wants joker fodder and holo wants playing card packets

[flat tiger]

dagger still sucks when I get Riff-Raff + dagger ante 1

[echo sphinx]

skill issue

[feral needle]

Dagger has such an unusual playstyle that there's even an entire challenge dedicated to learning how to play around it

it's cool

Other challenges teach general concepts and then there's dagger having a challenge for itself

[keen pilot]

Joker idea: At the end of round, you earn money equal to the current ante
It's like a rocket, but worse! The upside is you don't have to scale it, and to balance it perhaps make it common?

[echo sphinx]

fair

tho dagger challenge is abit om

its forced to the left

imo its similar to Red Card scaling

[keen pilot]

Ig the best comparison would be golden joker since both would be common, and one would be better in the first 4 antes

[wary zodiac]

is the naneinf really worth it

i think my game is sentient because sending me a 4oak in my first hand is insane work on this boss specifically

[echo sphinx]

we love more econ jokers (this one is competing with reserved parking in a Straights build)

[feral needle]

didn't you have a stronger hand you could've played (via leveling)?

[keen pilot]

Why would you play a 4oak into this boss..?

[wary zodiac]

i cannot read

[keen pilot]

fair enough

[wary zodiac]

all i saw was money

it was a 4oak of kings

all not gold yet

[echo sphinx]

lol

[wary zodiac]

if i hadn't greeded and read the blind

i could've still got them as gold and moved on

[echo sphinx]

balatro players when they have to read the boss blind

[wary zodiac]

😔

[keen pilot]

One time recently I lost to this boss, because I accidentally played a straight flush instead of a flush

[echo sphinx]

same om

[wary zodiac]

SAME

[feral needle]

I usually level straight flushes when I'm playing flushes because of that potential scenario where I draw one lol

[echo sphinx]

i lost the 3/4th chance for the 2 missing card ranks

[feral needle]

Ofcourse I'll level flushes first if I can

[wary zodiac]

i might need to learn to read just for this boss blind

[feral needle]

but if not and I get straight flush planet it's never a bad pick unless you have fool

[slow iris]

playing a flush instead of a straight flush

[keen pilot]

I was just thinking about the fact that there is currently not a single joker that interacts with the ante number
My first idea was scaling xMult per ante, but that would potentially just be a better madness that requires no scaling beforehand, and so to balance it, the scaling would have to be so small it'd not be worth it probably

[feral needle]

also Neptune has ridiculous scaling, you don't need that many planets for it to catch up with the Flush Leveling

One neptune is about two jupiters

[slow iris]

it has the best scaling in the game

tied with flush house

[keen pilot]

And probably wouldn't be that interesting anyway, most xMult jokers are at least a little involved

[green meteor]

This was completely avoidable…

[echo sphinx]

crazy how flush house ties straight flush despite imo flush house easier to deckfix into

[feral needle]

Straight Flush does have the advantage that if you have one of the suit-changing tarots (The World, The Star, The Sun, The Moon), you can likely force a Straight Flush just by holding on to it

Flush House needs rank-fixing and suit-fixing

[echo sphinx]

(and straight flush doesnt? cmon)

[feral needle]

it is 2:17 AM

I should be sleeping

I meant Straight Flush lmao

[echo sphinx]

om

[feral needle]

wait I did type correctly

[echo sphinx]

wait what

kek

[feral needle]

Straight Flush in theory lets you get away with it more is what I mean

Your deck already consists of 4 of each of the 13 ranks

you could change most of your deck to one or two suits if you try hard enough, either with the right tarots or with sigil

[flat tiger]

i need more exp to even beging to think about trying to build straight flush

[echo sphinx]

for me since i gamble on card packets and Death it a few times over, flush house makes more sense to me

[feral needle]

okay, that figures

Straight Flush does feel like the hand whose entire purpose is to just one-shot, even with low planets

but it kinda loses that purpose if you level other hands stronger than it

[digital pewter]

straight flush build is something you basically never go, given how annoying it is to build a majority of the time, and how it just falls into viability

[echo sphinx]

consistent strushing involves trimming the whole deck down to 6 ranks of 2-3 copies each, and changing all their suits to 1

flush house can also use Strength to cut whatever rank the deck wants, and can proc trigger-based jokers more often

[feral needle]

doesn't need much to catch up though

[echo sphinx]

flush house with 8s and 2s was so fun

[digital pewter]

ironically straight flush can be a nuisance if you've built straights and leveled saturn but not neptune

[echo sphinx]

i gain lots of tarots and wee joker scaling

kq triboulet also goodge

[digital pewter]

the sheer amount of scaling on straights often overshadow straight flush very fast

[feral needle]

that's very true too lol

[digital pewter]

i mean there's a joker that literally just makes spectrals for playing straight flushes

it's not really meant to be "built" like most other hand types

[echo sphinx]

lol

four finger smeared shortcut would go ham with that one

[feral needle]

Seancè can also be copied by Blueprint and Brainstorm

[digital pewter]

i mean yeah, but then you're spending 3 joker slots on just playing the hand type

[feral needle]

which means you could get two spectrals out of it if you happen to align those stars

[echo sphinx]

thats winning imo cuz neptune scaling is so omega high

and 0 deckfixing required

just gamble playing cardpacks to one's pleasure

[digital pewter]

no there is definitely deckfixing required

[feral needle]

💭 does changing suits count as deck-fixing

[digital pewter]

yes

[echo sphinx]

(after four finger smeared shortcut, nah)

but yes

[digital pewter]

well yeah after you already have the setup of course it's easy

the problem is finding the jokers to start setting up in the first place

[echo sphinx]

true, that's 3 whole uncommons

[flat tiger]

my most ambition build so far is just 4 of a kind

[digital pewter]

like, imagine if you needed a certain joker to play 5oak/flush 5

not just the deckfixing to make the 5oak/flush fives

[flat tiger]

i never even think to go flush 5 or even 5 of a kind

even with Ouija

i barely made 4 of a kind work

[digital pewter]

flush 5/5oak is pretty alright if you're going endless

but that usually needs something real good to help it out, plus a bit of decent luck with finding deaths

[feral needle]

I remember struggling to unlock the Flush Five planet because the game wasn't rolling it on packs so eventually I decided to just create one with a blue seal I got from a card pack, was funny

ok imma sleep bye

[digital pewter]

easiest way is erratic deck

[flat tiger]

i almost lost even because I thought Luchador works if you sell in during that ante

[digital pewter]

oof, lol

yeah it's only during the current boss blind

also

[flat tiger]

turns out it was literally useless for me here

[digital pewter]

if it's debuffed it does nothing which is really funny

like

imagine crimson heart lands on it

you sell the joker to disable the boss effect

it does nothing

anyways i'm just basking in the glory of now having c++

[echo sphinx]

dna is such an easy sel

[digital pewter]

zero idea what i'm gonna do lol

[echo sphinx]

rip tho

[flat tiger]

somehow 3 joker was enough

[echo sphinx]

daym

[keen pilot]

interesting start

[flat tiger]

I got 4 of a kind to lv9 so it helped

maybe I should have kept vaga instead of DNA

both are rare tough

does baseball card count itself btw

[void lintel]

baseball is rare

[keen pilot]

HOLD
I got an econ engine

[echo sphinx]

yes, but its Rare, so it doesn't apply

[echo sphinx]

holy

win

[keen pilot]

Okay, can't really do vagabond with that xP
What about sixth sense tho 🤔

rip burger?

[flat tiger]

why do i keep thinking its uncommon

i mean 1.5x is just a Polychrome tough...

[keen pilot]

this is so tempting..

[echo sphinx]

yeah thats like 3 polychromes for freeee

ok not free but uk

totalling 3x for a joker slot and a bunch of uncommons

[echo sphinx]

u know u want it

lets go gambling lucky cards

or just replace reserved with cert and call it a day

[keen pilot]

This is what I got lul

[echo sphinx]

its my most hated joker

lets see how long it lives this time

[keen pilot]

Less goo

[echo sphinx]

onz

2 rounds

lets go

LOL

[keen pilot]

lol

[keen pilot]

niiice

[echo sphinx]

unlimited blue works

[subtle drum]

it is my pleasure to announce that i have now beaten every deck on orange stake

[keen pilot]

lost my previous run due to a slight miscalculation of my score =w=
Got a new run and I'm now literally spamming high card with no scoring jokers, thanks to a single blue seal that I somehow keep drawing in my 57 card deck xP

[echo sphinx]

letsgo

my goat is there

but Midas

[manic talon]

I LOVE BLOODSTONE GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH (for some reason trance stops working so i cant be pink anymore)

[plain briar]

holy money machine

[echo sphinx]

crying rn

[smoky niche]

wtf

1 point

💀

[ripe hull]

I hate the plant

[echo sphinx]

bloodstone!!!!!

its so fuckn ass lol

and lost

om

[keen pilot]

pluto-maxxing

[dark mural]

how to lineup this on maximum multi with red tags?

[latent egret]

how high is const

what type of hands

what cards (glass?)

[mental bloom]

if every black deck run was this easy it would be awesome

[flat tiger]

why is yorick 23 cards btw, just balance reason? 23 is a random number

[mental bloom]

yupp

[mental bloom]

as you get in average 3 discards per run i think it's for the fact that it won't give X1 every round that its this high

unless of course you get discard vouchers

easy run anyways, would've prefered Triboulet tho

early photochad, 2 invis jokers landing on chad

[flat tiger]

i know I am getting Trib when I get to Red Abandoned Deck

[mental bloom]

oof 😭

thats harsh

[flat tiger]

all you need is 200 strength, its not that hard

[mental bloom]

right right

early perkeo will go very hard

[flat tiger]

monkey use strong card get stronger

monkey use 200 strong, lost the run

[keen pilot]

It's gotta be red seal..

[flat tiger]

gamble immolate, always gamble spectural

[keen pilot]

no :D

[echo sphinx]

trance om

[mental bloom]

déjà vu my beloved

trance my beloved

immolate my beloved

[shell dagger]

historical reason

[mental bloom]

wraith my beloved

best spectral pack ever

[echo sphinx]

$83 for a random Rare doesn't seem worth

[mental bloom]

True true

but gambling seems so good rn

[shell dagger]

deja vu

[vague elbow]

wraith is a random rare joker. but $83 could be anything. it could even be a random rare joker

[mental bloom]

uses wraith
loses 83$
obelisk

[flat tiger]

first time taking it pays off

[mental bloom]

holy ouija

I love gambling

[echo sphinx]

holy ouija

[foggy pond]

Any to tip to gain illusion voucher fast?

[vague elbow]

to be fair you had a... 5/13 chance to get a good outcome, which is pretty bad, but not horrible.

[flat tiger]

i may take ouija every time from now on, unless its like ante 5 or something

[echo sphinx]

(what ar ethe 5 ranks again)

kqj82?

[vague elbow]

2 3 5 8 ace

[mental bloom]

you have to gather lots of money first, and if you feel like it you can skip blinds to try to get voucher tags for a chance of illusion, but you have to get magic trick first

[echo sphinx]

oh breh its fib

me not think

[flat tiger]

if suit jokers is +4 or +5 instead of +3 maybe they wont suck as much

[mental bloom]

true

[echo sphinx]

fax

[mental bloom]

good early but useless later

[echo sphinx]

why does Smiley get +5 when suit is +3

[flat tiger]

fib actually give you enough

[mental bloom]

no idea, balanced i guess

[vague elbow]

fibonacci is an uncommon though, it should be compared to say onyx agate

[flat tiger]

why does club get onyx and Seeing Double

[echo sphinx]

yep

[vague elbow]

it needs it

[echo sphinx]

meanwhile heart is Bloodstone

[foggy pond]

I tried about 5 hours yesterday... without good effect 😡

Its last item to full colection

[vague elbow]

rough gem <3

[echo sphinx]

gambling 1 in 2
xmult procs before +mult jokers lol

[mental bloom]

crap... you just wanna unlock it for your collection?

ooooh

[mental bloom]

true

[flat tiger]

just skip all + mult 4Head

[echo sphinx]

lose

l

[vague elbow]

cards that multiply base mult can be good

[woven remnant]

disco elysiums 'architecture is autism' rant but change architecture with showman

[vague elbow]

like, you just need planet scaling

[echo sphinx]

ig

all hail blue seal

[vague elbow]

yeah, or telescope

[echo sphinx]

rip observatory

[vague elbow]

i mean, ancient joker is good, and it's basically the same as bloodstone, and it's like slightly more consistent

[echo sphinx]

it should make a neg copy of a planet instead

[woven remnant]

Never win a single ante 8 with an ancient joker outside of white scale

[vague elbow]

when i say good i don't mean meta i mean good. obviously it's not as good as spam pairs

[woven remnant]

It just finds me at the least convinient times

same goes for perkeo

[vague elbow]

its not like, amazing, but it's good

you just need to play into it hard

[vestal copper]

slightly more like way more

[vague elbow]

bloodstone has the benefit of not being shut down by boss blinds as often, which offsets it imo, and allowing deckfixing to one suit, which is a lot easier than making a bunch of wild cards (which makes boss blinds even scarier)

[flat tiger]

some say this is the most expensive noob trap that I fell into

[vague elbow]

its still less consistent (without oops) though imo
with oops bloodstone > ancient but that is 2 jokers over 1

[mental bloom]

NOOO DONT

[vestal copper]

aj is flush five joker

[vague elbow]

if you can manage to deckfix your ranks while keeping all suits even then good for you

unless youre mixing it up with the idol

idol is flush five joker

[mental bloom]

booo idol mentioned

[flat tiger]

"I need x mult let me make room" loses the run

[mental bloom]

Gaaaah

It's fine

[flat tiger]

the play should be selling blue joker tough right?

[vague elbow]

no

wait wheres your mult coming from, photo or swegg?

[flat tiger]

swash is a big number

[vague elbow]

yeah, but is it bigger than x2 on top of photo retriggers?

[flat tiger]

it sure is since I lose after going for it

[vague elbow]

ah wait you already lost?

sad

yeah if you didnt have high enough base mult i suppose the photo was just kinda doing nothing

[flat tiger]

I managed to lose 2 photo chad back to back

[mental bloom]

darn

plant moment

[vague elbow]

i dont think you necessarily lose here

[vestal copper]

damn

[foggy pond]

Yes. I want it very much 😁

[vague elbow]

if you sell photochad your stencil is back in business

[flat tiger]

wait....

[mental bloom]

well good luck in finding it !

[flat tiger]

WTF

that was the play

[vague elbow]

stencil provides

[foggy pond]

I tried found it with deck that give double tag after defeating boss

But maybe i change to deck that started plus 10 usd

[mental bloom]

anaglyph!

hmmm idk

the most important thing is to have enough money to get magic trick and then illusion

[flat tiger]

the first time ever I got photo chad I won easily with pants, then lost 3 photo chad after that, 2 of them from plant...

[vestal copper]

+10 usd 🔥

[flat tiger]

but stencil could have actually saved me

[ebon condor]

the #1 tip i can give for photochad runs is to always put a few glass on numbered cards in case of the plant

the glass can replace photo in scoring when you need it

[flat tiger]

it was 49 before heat death

I think I lose anyway because the main cause of death is me only drawing used cards in the Pillar

[spark kernel]

W

[mental bloom]

ggs

goofy build but gg

[flat tiger]

you take eternal chicken in gold?

damn

[dusty void]

Ehe

Ehehehehe

[mental bloom]

😭

[mental bloom]

r we deadass

[dusty void]

Im sorry 😔

[mental bloom]

eh dw

[dusty void]

Yes yes violet vessel did come to my doom

[mental bloom]

WW

[vague elbow]

this does work pretty well, yeah. you can actually do something similar with steel cards and baron-mime runs

honestly steel + mime is probably just better than baron mime in some scenarios cause unlike glass, you can just safely have steel

[flat tiger]

everytime the boss is gonna kill you the game dont give you the Director's Cut

or everytime you see Director's Cut you see something better to buy and that ante boss is not threatening

[woven remnant]

yum yum

[novel rain]

Five-card Draw challenge complete

I actually got so lucky with what Crimson Heart disabled

It disabled Card Sharp on my first hand and Red Card on my second

[mental bloom]

Niceee indeed

was that duo or trio ?

[novel rain]

Trio

And Joker Stencil behind the You Win! text

[mental bloom]

Oh indeed

[novel rain]

It's actually so annoying finding undiscovered cards in challenge decks ToT that and getting achievement requirements (the only time I've gotten 100,000,000 chips in a single hand was in a Trib run on the Omelette)

[mental bloom]

7 jokers slots is part of the challenge ?

[novel rain]

Yeah

[dull crescent]

Hi, this is an unseeded PB for me, I'm wondering if my joker placement was optimal?

[mental bloom]

Yeah I feel you 😭

[mental bloom]

Yeah, this is pretty good, though I have no idea if it's better to copy dusk or idol

I'd say maybe balance both ?

[noble mango]

At what point do i pick up the idol

[mental bloom]

if you have a good way to deckfix yur deck

[noble mango]

What point of deck fixing i mean

[flat tiger]

how does copying cards affect idol and ancient picking cards

[dull crescent]

Ty, I'll take note of that. I have little experience with late game runs with multiple blueprints/brainstorms so I'm learning

[noble mango]

Like 23/31 ?

[ebon condor]

the more of the same card you have in your deck, the more likely idol is to pick it

as for ancient, it doesnt look at your deck at all so

[noble mango]

Or do i have to make it 100% same copy of a card before going for idol

[ebon condor]

if you have room it doesnt hurt to pick it up but dont kill your scoring for it

[mental bloom]

No worries!!

I'm glad to help

[mental bloom]

Too early

[mental bloom]

that's what I'd recommend

it may take long but I hate idol so much for that

it's able to pick a card I don't use and mess up all my run

[dull crescent]

The run I just posted I bought idol pretty early cause I used oujia and landed jacks, so I knew I wanted to go for Flush Five. I was also on white stake plasma so clearing blinds was really easy. It depends I think

[noble mango]

Well bru

Thought i could just discard the extras

[mental bloom]

Niceeee

Ouija is goated

[ebon condor]

uhhhhhhhhh

i beg to differ

[mental bloom]

trust

[noble mango]

I hate the permanent -hand size cards

[mental bloom]

yeah thats a downside

idk why its there

[flat tiger]

even with Ouiji i only dared to do 4 of a kind, it takes al ot more fixing to do flush 5 it seems

[ebon condor]

(its probably like the worst consumable in the game)

[dull crescent]

Yeah but I like gambling

[noble mango]

Especially there's no permanent +hand size other than the 2 vouchers

[ebon condor]

bean bug:

[noble mango]

Chicot manacle

[blissful fog]

2 brainstorm on Idol and BP on dusk

[dull crescent]

I SWEAR the oujia is gonna land on kings during my baron mime run TRUST

[mental bloom]

grrrr

[dull crescent]

Ooh tyty

[noble mango]

Yeah but outside the bug there's no actual legit way yknow

[ebon condor]

they hated him because he spoke the truth

[mental bloom]

yeah thats what i thought, balancing is better

[mental bloom]

its truly not the best i have to agree

[flat tiger]

how much harder is purple scaling compared to red

[noble mango]

Anyways

How good is 8 bucks
What can i even buy from it

[blissful fog]

Very much

[mental bloom]

the -1 hand size is just so stupid

[dull crescent]

Taking notes for the next run 🖊️🖊️🖊️

[blissful fog]

Take note of the scoring part and the retrigger part

[ebon condor]

in my entire 400+ hours of playing this game i have used oujia a grand total of 21 times

for context ive used soul 4x that many times

[mental bloom]

i'll check mine

if i can

[noble mango]

Never used it more than once

I hate it

So much

[flat tiger]

all card look same, beautiful, enough reason for me

[mental bloom]

yum ok

[noble mango]

Cryptid is goated ngl

[mental bloom]

factual

[ebon condor]

naneinf moment

why is immolate so low

[mental bloom]

unfortunately i got -nan

[ebon condor]

rip

[mental bloom]

idk i always use it when i can

[noble mango]

I wanna ask

What score is plasma deck's violet vessel boss blind on gold stake

[mental bloom]

2,400,000 I think ?

I'm not sure I've never reached it

I might be wrong

[noble mango]

Im not going gold stake like ever

-1 discard so ahh

[mental bloom]

blue stake grrrr

voucher moment

[noble mango]

Plus the rentals
Eternals

[mental bloom]

ez

[ebon condor]

gold stake is rough for sure

[noble mango]

Eternal 😭

[ebon condor]

it always takes a while to be able to beat your first gs

[noble mango]

And the score ramps crazy

[ebon condor]

ante 5 and 6 moment

[noble mango]

But still that -1 discard is already pain

[mental bloom]

truly

[polar orbit]

didn't know i needed that

[mental bloom]

wtf are misprint and abstract doing here

[noble mango]

[mental bloom]

also blue joker wtf

[noble mango]

Early game jonklers

[mental bloom]

im not that crazy am i

[mental bloom]

yeah i guess

[noble mango]

Trust they good for early antes

Only early antes tho

[mental bloom]

yeaaa

[noble mango]

Higher ones got insane score ramp

[ebon condor]

blue joker is good

[mental bloom]

ho ho ho well i wonder what type of runs are my favorites

[ebon condor]

its in my top 10 too

[mental bloom]

why no royal flush planet tho

[polar orbit]

oh yeah heres my joker setup btw

[noble mango]

Eris not on your top huh

[mental bloom]

nat negative photo was goated

[polar orbit]

ikr

[mental bloom]

noooo but i love it

i just rarely get the chance to do ff runs

[noble mango]

Except on certain seeds

[mental bloom]

yup

[noble mango]

10 spades goes crazy

[polar orbit]

lets just hope the window doesn't show before ante 8

[mental bloom]

oh yeah lol

[mental bloom]

damn right

would that impact your scoring that much ?

[polar orbit]

i have a +170 red seal lucky diamond ace

[noble mango]

Chad hikers with good grades took photos?

[mental bloom]

oo damn nice

so yeah i guess it'll matter

[noble mango]

I forgot what the +mult on diamonds named

[mental bloom]

take some glass cards if you need to survive the window

[noble mango]

Ironic . . .

[polar orbit]

im also scoring 300k

[mental bloom]

greedy

[mental bloom]

o damn

[noble mango]

What if boss blinds can merge

[mental bloom]

o no

mark + plant

fucking me cant type properly

[polar orbit]

lets go we got the psychic

[noble mango]

Actually it wasn't all that bad imo

[ebon condor]

needle + water 🔥

[noble mango]

1 boss blind is already annoying on its own if it directly hits your setup

[mental bloom]

yeah there's worse

[noble mango]

Ok that's just evil

[mental bloom]

fr

[noble mango]

Ox and needle

[mental bloom]

ox and eye

[ebon condor]

tooth + psychic

[polar orbit]

chat do i take blueprint here or is it just not worth

[mental bloom]

o HELL NO

[ebon condor]

flint + wall

[mental bloom]

GAAGAGAHAH

[mental bloom]

hmmmm

[ebon condor]

hook + serpent

[mental bloom]

do you play a lot of face cards ?

[polar orbit]

eye + ox

[mental bloom]

darn how do you come up with the worst ones

[cursive crater]

bro bp is never "not worth"

[noble mango]

Oh flip if only one of your hikers wasn't gay

[mental bloom]

fish and psychic

[polar orbit]

but what would i sell is the issue here

[cursive crater]

diamond joker

[ebon condor]

fish + house

[noble mango]

Amber acorn + Verdant leaf

[cursive crater]

obv

[noble mango]

Go ahead, sell a joker you don't know

[mental bloom]

fr

[waxen fable]

hello my bros

[mental bloom]

or just have a peak build that doesn't require any jokers

[mental bloom]

hoi!

[noble mango]

At least discards a thing

[cursive crater]

needle+water

[mental bloom]

• water

[noble mango]

Or chicot is there

[cursive crater]

the ultimate run killer

[waxen fable]

replace the scholar

[noble mango]

Fish on water . . .

[ebon condor]

manacle + manacle + manacle + manacle + psychic

[cursive crater]

just kill me bro

[polar orbit]

all of the final blinds together

[mental bloom]

true, true

[mental bloom]

HELL NAH

[noble mango]

Violet vessel + wall + flint + needle

[mental bloom]

[polar orbit]

i think i should replace greedy bc im mainly playing this one specific ace

[mental bloom]

yupppp

[polar orbit]

thats at 210, lucky and red seal

[tacit stream]

laughs in abandoned deck

[mental bloom]

W abandoned deck

[polar orbit]

but who to copy is now the question

[mental bloom]

photochad if you play face cards

[noble mango]

Chad

[mental bloom]

or else uhhhh

idk

[polar orbit]

395k

[edgy whale]

hit the road or obelisk?

[polar orbit]

and then we got ecto on the scholar

[noble mango]

I wonder how busted would it be if you can put a red seal on a joker . . .

[smoky niche]

tfw you forget to move ceremonial dagger and it kills your xmult joker

[mental bloom]

Laughs in eternal

[noble mango]

Banana needs to die by itself for cavendish to appear right?

[polar orbit]

holy million, didn't even use any of the steels or the good ace

[mental bloom]

Hit the Road

Easier to understand

[noble mango]

Blueprint op

[noble mango]

Choose

Easy to use, or higher power potential

[edgy whale]

latter

[noble mango]

Easy to use go with road
Higher power potential go obelisk (you had to pay attention to what you play er else it went poof)

[polar orbit]

cool beat black deck, got amber as the final blind

second invis joker trust

[edgy whale]

yuh, you need to play a shit ton of high cards just to make sure the pivoting safe

[polar orbit]

chat i got another chad

[noble mango]

Meanwhile me with

(I played so many high cards)

[polar orbit]

what is my luck (3 wheels in a row and all on holo)

[noble mango]

Not polychrome tho . .

[polar orbit]

but still, 3x in a row without oops

[noble mango]

1/4 *1/4 * 1/4

1/64

Dang

[digital pewter]

that's just for hitting the wheel in the first place though

chance for all being mult is higher

[polar orbit]

needle is coming up soon i think ante 11 gets me

[noble mango]

All being holo. . .

I hate needle . .

[polar orbit]

yep i think ante 11 is where the run ends

[blissful fog]

What's your highest score on that run?

[spark kernel]

Are we deadass

[vestal copper]

yeah thats skip tags for ya

[spark kernel]

The jokers in the packs also had trap stickers on them 😭 🙏

[vestal copper]

taxevasion~1

[spark kernel]

Shoukd i just start a new run if my shop was this awful

[vestal copper]

you can ig

aint winstreaking and shi

[fossil rover]

it seems like the game is taunting me

[vestal copper]

bait

[still current]

Ahhh you too??

[fossil rover]

lmao

[stone shell]

hey at least the buffoon packs are free

[digital pewter]

started on my second profile and this is quite silly

unprecedented most used jokers lineup

to be fair though i've only played and won two runs so far

[fervent plover]

damn

took risk of rare joker

1st ante looking good

[spark kernel]

I swear glass joker prevents glass cards from breaking

[obsidian patrol]

thats bait

[dreamy girder]

Im going to go insane

[fervent plover]

well.... then this is a bait too

[echo sphinx]

lets play retriggers

[obsidian patrol]

baron doing nothing for all 8 antes

[dreamy girder]

Chat, do i pivot to photochad?

[dreamy girder]

2LS8VDQD this is the seed

[earnest goblet]

just lost my best ever run, finaly scored an E number

[echo sphinx]

tri-yorick owo

[fervent plover]

crazy build

why do i have three hand based mult jokers/

[obsidian patrol]

here bro win

[stark charm]

this is so attractive

[noble shuttle]

Orange Stake done of the last deck needed(Black)
Wish me gold luck!

[brave goblet]

I love pairslop

[stark nimbus]

what joker do i use the blueprint on?

[noble shuttle]

Photo

[stark nimbus]

why

[noble shuttle]

Because when you have retriggers you typically want your scoring joker copied.

I can almost guarentee photo is better than constellation.

[stark nimbus]

photograph or photo chad?

[noble shuttle]

Photo

[stark nimbus]

the one on the left?

[noble shuttle]

Yes

[stark nimbus]

okay

thx

[noble shuttle]

Np!

:3

[brave goblet]

copying the photo you'll be getting a x16 xmult

[noble shuttle]

Don't forget potential red seals :3

[stark nimbus]

WOAH

big number

[noble shuttle]

Told ya :3

[stark nimbus]

what about here though

shouldn't i use it on hanging chad since it's a glass card?

[viral raft]

Hanging if you want mimmax, you can also photo if you want 2^3 xmult (x8), and if your contellation have >x8 mult just go conste

[viral raft]

Yes

[shell dagger]

Constellation needs to be 64x to be better

[viral raft]

In that situation yes

[noble shuttle]

I DID ITTT
COMPLETIONIST +!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[viral raft]

Like conte could be only good if the card doesn't have any effect

[viral raft]

Welldone!!!

Now C++!

[noble shuttle]

I know! :3

I so happy

[viral raft]

Idk who the hell ar u but i'm proud of u

👍

[noble shuttle]

Thanksss

:3

I gotta rebeat Paint and Erratic cause I did that on my phone GS not PC.

So for the Steam Ach

I need to do that.

[viral raft]

Uhhhh i see

Good luck with thay

Erratic just go easy with it

[noble shuttle]

I know :3

I've beaten it GS before.

[viral raft]

Not R spam until you spawn +10 kings

[noble shuttle]

I know :3

[brave goblet]

Actually cursed straights run (idol missed and I bottom decked)

Bean is OP

[viral raft]

Hahaha okok, in my first c+ i used to just spam R with erratic until a good pool of cards spawned

[noble shuttle]

Nah, I take one where there like

7

of the same

Or

A shi ton of the same suit

[viral raft]

Ohh i see

I always try not to use R key

I think that every run is posible if i just play it good

[noble shuttle]

R key?

What

:0

[brave goblet]

r key is auto restart

on pc

[noble shuttle]

WOAH

I never knew that

[brave goblet]

I've beaten my fair share of runs that had horrible starts

[viral raft]

Just hold R and you will restart

[noble shuttle]

Wowow

But yeah

[brave goblet]

I hate erratic deck, I like doing my own deck fixing

[noble shuttle]

Now I can have an opinion lol

[viral raft]

I knew that R = restart in isaac in the bad wsy

Like i was in mid run really op

[noble shuttle]

It actually took me less than 24h to do black :3

I feel like... plasma is harder.

[viral raft]

And my friend told me: if you hold R key you have better map vision

[viral raft]

Plasma is trash because you need to pivot hard Xmult after early antes

[noble shuttle]

I did it with Flush Five bonus and a sock

[viral raft]

So you depend on only chips, planets and xmuot

[noble shuttle]

Red seals too.

[brave goblet]

Nah you can beat it with just chips

You will, however, have a pretty stressful time

[noble shuttle]

It's really hard regardless.

[brave goblet]

You'll need to use all your hands

[stark nimbus]

i got all this before ante 4

[noble shuttle]

Plasma was my fifth deck Gold Staked.

[viral raft]

Yes but you need especific jokers to make it work

Like Wee or Stunt

[noble shuttle]

Checkered Ghost Erratic Painted Plasma Red Anaglyph Magic Yellow Blue Zodiac Abandoned Green Nebula Black

[stark nimbus]

i keep getting photo and hanging chad

[brave goblet]

Nope, just need runner or bull

Stunt isn't even that great on plasma

[shell dagger]

ive done chips only with just blue seals before

[viral raft]

True but still, you can't just play plasma and depend around less than 10 jokers

Is like a photochad player

You can't just play photichad every run and hope to go well

[brave goblet]

There are admittedly far less chips jokers

[noble shuttle]

Order of GS completion.

[viral raft]

Yep

[brave goblet]

But then you also have big planet levels such as from straights

Take advantage of the general levity of the first few antes to get your econ together

[serene forge]

I hate Bloostone

[serene forge]

red card

[errant bolt]

Bloostone

[noble shuttle]

Skip for red card value.

[stark nimbus]

what

[brave goblet]

I deadass breezed through a whole gold stake run yesterday with a nat neg bloodstone, then I bottomdecked my last 3 heart red seals

[stark nimbus]

that card is ass

[brave goblet]

and the blind was amber acorn

[viral raft]

That'd cool, my GS in all my C++ is weird, i go full gold deck then i just do every deck in order, to red deck to until erratic, in the deck order

[glad smelt]

I was about to finish golden needle and get water boss🗿🗿

[brave goblet]

[glad smelt]

Like why it’s not even blocked

1 hand 0 discards, thanks

[brave goblet]

find half jonker and skip to the end

[viral raft]

[brave goblet]

Just to screw you over

[fringe nebula]

wait @digital pewter you got c++?

congratulations

[stark nimbus]

it is when i have a bad economy though

[serene forge]

photochad user and being bad, name a more iconic duo

[noble shuttle]

Unspoken rules
C+ allows you to have an opinion
C++ allows you to have a valid opinion
Am I right about this?

[shell dagger]

nah

[fringe nebula]

nah

[shell dagger]

everyone has an opinion that is worth considering

[noble shuttle]

Okie

[viral raft]

Ts screenshot reallt hurts me, literally all cards are good here except Aknh and someone decided to buy Throwback of all cards

[fringe nebula]

i know someone with c++ who has an atrocious take

[serene forge]

you're always allowed to have an opinion, even c++ people have bad opinions though

[noble shuttle]

I just heard that on reddit lol

[viral raft]

True

[brave goblet]

(if you have good econ you'll eventually roll into photochad)

[noble shuttle]

Yep! :3

Here's how I endless.

[viral raft]

Photochad sucks idc, i will depend on rank cards unless i'm in early antes

[noble shuttle]

Simple scoring
Photochad
Flush five photochad
Flush five photo with sock n chad
Transition to idol(Optional)
Mime N Baron

[brave goblet]

the ever reliable bus

[fringe nebula]

i think people can start forming a valid opinion after having like what? 4 winstreak on gold stake?

nvm no

even a noob can make a valid opinion

so that is wrong

[brave goblet]

C++ has long stopped being an actual metric of skill

[noble shuttle]

How so?

[brave goblet]

If you're patient enough you will get C++ regardless of how bad you are

[viral raft]

True

[fringe nebula]

yeah

c++ is patience game

[brave goblet]

The only actual metric of skill is consecutive winstreaks (on gold stkae preferably)

[noble shuttle]

So then what's defined as skill?

[viral raft]

You can photochad until you have C++ and done

[viral raft]

Consistensy?

[noble shuttle]

Gold Stake isn't always possible though.

[brave goblet]

It is

We're just not always big brained enough to see it

[fringe nebula]

here we go again

[noble shuttle]

Didn't Doc' say it had a 30% win rate?

[brave goblet]

I think he said that before he got the 66 winstreak

[noble shuttle]

Or am I wrong?

[fringe nebula]

please don't tell me that we're going to talk about "every seed beatable" again

[viral raft]

Imo if your winrate is above 40% in gold stake that's 100% a good player

[brave goblet]

And it might have been referring to the og gold stake which was actually really hard

the og one with -1 hand size and more expensive booster packs

[serene forge]

I am aware that photochad is good

but there is a trend in noobs thinking photochad is the only good thing

as seen here

[brave goblet]

I mean that's just noobs lol

Noobs'll learn or they won't

[shell dagger]

he definitely hasn’t said that in over 2 years

[viral raft]

Yes, that seed that you only can win playing straight flush then pivot to the mime cryptid perkeo strategy it's posible to beat

[shell dagger]

his winrate is over 95%

[noble shuttle]

I'm gonna be honest here. I may get smited for this opinion.
Black deck was not as bad as many make it out to be.

[shell dagger]

mine is around 75% and im cheeks

[brave goblet]

How many times did you do it

[noble shuttle]

I've only beaten Black Deck GS once as I just got C+ like 20 minutes ago.

But going up

[errant bolt]

My issue with black deck is the early game

[fringe nebula]

really?
i have to say that 2 winstreak on black deck gold stake is harder than 11 winstreak on magic deck gold stake

i have done both

[noble shuttle]

I didn't struggle nearly as much.

[errant bolt]

Early game black deck is not fun

[noble shuttle]

Yeah, early is hard.

But

Later on

It's kinda easy

[brave goblet]

How consistently do you get out of the early game

[viral raft]

Tbh the problem with black is that easily the worst deck so people just said more garbage around that deck because "is the worst deck"

[errant bolt]

Oh no I agree, I had a very good black deck black stake run last night that made good use of trading card & canio

[noble shuttle]

Not sure, though, it took me less than 24h which is much shorter than other decks I had problems with
Green
Plasma
:3

[viral raft]

Green sucks

[noble shuttle]

Yeah fr

[brave goblet]

Green and Nebula, the wurstess

[shell dagger]

green at least has a decent early

[noble shuttle]

Nebula wasn't too hard.

[brave goblet]

Nebula isn't hard, it's boring

[fringe nebula]

also, yes. Black deck isn't that bad when you reset until you have a good start

[noble shuttle]

Ya but get chipz and halfsies and the early is taken care of.

[viral raft]

Nebula is just the straight and pair build

[brave goblet]

Ironically, Nebula, the space themed deck, makes blue seals worse

[shell dagger]

u can’t just choose what jokers u get

[fringe nebula]

but when talking about consistency, black deck is just ugh

[shell dagger]

chips + half solves early on every deck

[brave goblet]

Ironically, magic deck, the one that's supposed to be about tarots, also makes blue seals better

[noble shuttle]

I know, I'm just sayin, get a few jokers and boom.

[shell dagger]

that applies to every run

[noble shuttle]

For black deck I shoved all the jokers in my slots and slowly upgraded them.

Took every ouce of scoring available.

[vestal copper]

☠️ ⬅️ 🟰 ➡️

[noble shuttle]

Oh yeah, my heart was beating out of my chest as I beat Black Gold Stake 2nd try.

[fringe nebula]

no wonder why you think black deck isn't that bad

[noble shuttle]

Fair lol

[fringe nebula]

i'd suggest you to play it more

[noble shuttle]

No thanks!

The runs I did lose on were brutal

Even in the Gold Stake run I won.

Twas brutal

Gonna say it tho

Black made me learn that credit card isn't THAT bad

[fringe nebula]

there was one time where i was so desperate, i had to take both hieroglyph and petroglyph to survive on black deck gold stake

i won but wtf

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[lime remnant]

i forgot to look at the boss blind

this run is gone

[noble shuttle]

Lmao

[fringe nebula]

reroll

[green bluff]

hey yall has anyone here had problems where balatro refuses to display borderless windowed properly

[lime remnant]

i cant survive

its e77

i relied on serpent before ante 24

[noble shuttle]

Evil and intimidating polychrome egg.

[hasty girder]

I might be cooked here, guys.

[lime remnant]

give this gal a swash

[noble shuttle]

-# +Euphoria

Pls do give swash :3

Earlygame solved

[lime remnant]

a dagger would be nice too

[noble shuttle]

Ya

tho it's more long term

[hasty girder]

I LIVED?!

[lime remnant]

well you suck everything from temp

[void topaz]

holy bloodstone cook

[hasty girder]

i got to almost 400k xD

[lime remnant]

rare bloodstone w

[hasty girder]

phew!

[fringe nebula]

bloodstone didn't betray you

i see

[hasty girder]

😅

[glad aspen]

Day one goatstone defender

[hasty girder]

tbf i was copying it with both Blueprint and Brainstorm but PHEW

also those were the ONLY hearts i had left that werent face cards

[mellow surge]

Can’t believe you took all the bloodstone hits from the rest of us 😭

[stark nimbus]

13/13 jokers🤤

[lime remnant]

do i need pallette + dna to survive ante 24

[versed sable]

-# real c:

[noble shuttle]

I'd like to take a moment to announce that Green Deck and Black Deck Gold Stake for the first time would not have been possible without Ante One eternal Space Joker.

[errant bolt]

Oh what do y'all think of canio I never see him mentioned here

[noble shuttle]

He's uh...

Okay.

Gold stake?

He's good.

[errant bolt]

I think he is really good with trading card

[versed sable]

my least favorite legendary tbh

[noble shuttle]

White?

[versed sable]

but still good

[noble shuttle]

He's bad

[errant bolt]

glass faces are also a good play with him

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[stone shell]

typically a sign your run will lack hanged men

[mellow surge]

Canio gets outclassed by yorick it’s just easier to use your discards

[errant bolt]

I think you kinda need some method to at least semi-reliably destroy faces for canio to be good

Which is why I really like trading card with him, it's free xmult

[rich mauve]

all I hear is "I don't know how to generate/block tarots"

[noble shuttle]

Screw The Wall.

[serene forge]

both are good

[serene forge]

good

[mellow surge]

It’s a legendary ofc both are good but I’d much rather have yorick than canio

[stone shell]

nah canios a burst scaler while yorick is passive

different use cases imo

[serene forge]

too bad you don't get to choose ig

[noble shuttle]

I hate love this game :3

[dusty valve]

FINALLYYYYY I HAVE THE BEST DECKKKKK

Checkered deck goes crazy😎

[stone shell]

plasma is not that good past purple stake gg

[rich mauve]

gg

[vestal copper]

gg worst deck

[pale trout]

i will not take this disrespect of plasma

[noble shuttle]

Plasma was the deck it too me the longest.

[worthy tinsel]

He is good

[pale trout]

plasma was my first

[rich mauve]

I could swear gold stake plasma is harder than black deck but I can't prove because I don't play black deck

[mellow surge]

It’s close

[noble shuttle]

Me too

[stone shell]

i think plasma is still better because the difficulty is at the lategame

[serene forge]

no

[stone shell]

so with a strong enough econ you'll hopefully find the big scoring break you need

[serene forge]

I hate it for that exact reason lol

you get teased in the first half of the game just to get crushed by insane blind scaling thats super hard to meet on purple

[pale trout]

it's easy if you do a mult build bro

[rich mauve]

everything is easy if you can do a build

[serene forge]

which is difficult because mult doesn't work early game

thats kind of the point

[stone shell]

goodluck finding that much xmult regularly 💔

[lunar zealot]

x2 is one hell of a thang

[serene forge]

of why it's difficult

[foggy pond]

2 games and... i have it 💪

[rich mauve]

both black and plasma kill you before you can do something

the difference is plasma does that later

[foggy pond]

Only 3 hardest achievements left🤣

[serene forge]

yeah black deck usually kills you in ante 1 or 2

which can be annoying but at least you're not wasting more time

[noble shuttle]

Oh no... I just realised...
C+ and C++ will be divided when blue stake nerf because there will be some people who go "Your C+/C++ is invalid as it was after the nerf".

[stone shell]

nah it depends

[rich mauve]

silksong ahh response

[stone shell]

blue stake is getting a rework so difficulty is hard to gauge

[rich mauve]

you're 100%ing the game

[noble shuttle]

Never played it tbh, I've played a little Hollow Knight.

What do we peeps thing Blue Stake rework should be?

[rich mauve]

-1 discard, -1 hand size

preferably add -1 hand too

[noble shuttle]

. . . . . . . . . . . .

Do you...

know what the old Gold Stake was?

[stone shell]

what if rerolls costed 1 more dollar

[noble shuttle]

Hm...

Good idea!

[rich mauve]

ye

[noble shuttle]

Then why would you bring it back?

[mellow surge]

I think it would make sense if the rerolls were 2$ more (it’s the equivalent of a voucher)

[visual niche]

did the blue deck on gold stake (6th deck)
Still no yorick.

[noble shuttle]

My solution to blue stake rework:

[rich mauve]

idk about y'all but I'd rather have that instead of rentals

[noble shuttle]

Remove blue stake

[pale wolf]

balatro

[noble shuttle]

bump gold down

[visual niche]

true

[noble shuttle]

and then have gold be a specialized

stake for your deck

[visual niche]

Green joker is actually goated after blue stake actually

it was givin around +65 mult each time

[noble shuttle]

So like- gold decks gold stake would be start with $5 instead with $10

[visual niche]

if you're a pair player that is
I wasnt, but i'm starting to become one on gold stakes lmao

[noble shuttle]

Just an idea

[visual niche]

hmmm maybe

[noble shuttle]

Cause like

Deck unique stake for gold stake

Isn't that bad.

[visual niche]

also
i saw someone say that in a youtube video but it's such a good idea

Perishable jokers rework : make them negative once they get debuffed

[noble shuttle]

Stencil broken later stakes

If ya do that.

[unreal vine]

Does this win chat?

[visual niche]

that way you don't get them in the shop again if you don't like them
and you can still sell them like before but they have more money now so its actually worth it
and you also can do crazy combos with, yeah, stencil

but you gotta find still it in the first place you know

[visual niche]

no clue! good luck

[stone shell]

that is so unnecesary

[strange compass]

What about halving the increase of chip and mult from planets?

[stone shell]

perishables are fine as is

[unreal vine]

Should I copy mime to be sure?

[visual niche]

might wanna uhhh
Put blueprint on dusk just in case

or yeah mime

[noble shuttle]

That's a lot worse than you think that is.

[unreal vine]

Ok thanks man

[strange compass]

Maybe you can make it so it only applies on the first 4 antes?

[noble shuttle]

That doesn't make it any better 😭

[visual niche]

however :
Rentals "suck" cause you lose money

but you can still get their benefits and sell them before paying

Eternals "suck" cause you can't get rid of them

but you can use Madness, you can Ankh and do other stuff thanks to that

but perishables? They're just perishable. no upsides

[noble shuttle]

The earlygame is where they matter

[pale wolf]

terrible idea lol

[stone shell]

i still think this nerf to perishables is just unneccesary

[vestal copper]

why the fuck would they be negative

[stone shell]

not every sticker needs to have clear up and downsides

[noble shuttle]

Negative makes C++ too easy

[visual niche]

riight

okay thats actually fair

[stone shell]

man i was thinking negatives makes perishables goated because they sell for like 3 extra dollars

[pale wolf]

perishables already give you a decision point on how much value you can get in a limited amount of time
people complaining they lack depth simply cant adapt

[visual niche]

i saw a C++ bring this idea up on youtube

[pale wolf]

5 extra dollars buy value, 2-3 sell

[noble shuttle]

Real.

[vestal copper]

the temperance buff 😭

[strange compass]

Perishables are definitely the least interesting joker to play with out of all 3

[frank grove]

Yeah i also think that for c++ perishables already have their niche for some food jokers

[vestal copper]

perishables are cool

[strange compass]

Not rlly. You can't use Ice cream or ramen fully

[pale wolf]

purple stake lacks depth 🦓 its just a numbers increase, thats not real difficulty its shallow /s

[vestal copper]

new purple stake: -1 discard

🔥

[wanton hare]

Hi guys which deck is good for c++

[mellow surge]

blue

[vestal copper]

anaglyph can work good

[pale wolf]

Early on, anaglyph for negative tags
throughout entirely, blue/yellow/whatever you personally do best on

[visual niche]

first time i played Purple i was struggling by a lot

[strange compass]

Whatever deck you like. Just take negative skips if possible.

[mellow surge]

Anaglyph is one of hardest decks on gold

[stone shell]

i think perishables still open up interesting play decisions

[vestal copper]

i was able to beat gold anaglyph without that much problem

[stone shell]

like imagine you get a brainstorm on ante 4 or 5 and that pushes your scoring just enough to beat a VV final boss but its perishable

[pale wolf]

it is not one of the hardest, it's like middle of the road
and the ability to get like 10 jokers at once outweighs the win rate difference

[visual niche]

why?

haven't tried it on red stake even yet

[vestal copper]

at worst its just a blank deck

[fringe nebula]

whatever deck

I would recommend you to learn how to do 3 carry 2 deadweight setup instead of doing anaglyph for c++ honestly

[strange compass]

Do you guys think red stake can use rework too?

I feel like the difficulty spikes too much between white and red

[fringe nebula]

red stake killed black deck

[stone shell]

red stake needs no changes

[mellow surge]

You just don’t get anything major from it often, especially early game

[stone shell]

its just an econ check

[crimson granite]

new blue stake start with 0 discards 1 hand

[pale wolf]

I don't think difficulty spikes between the stakes are much of a concern, just the end state of gold stake meta when everythings combined

[fringe nebula]

red stake is one of the the biggest reasons why black deck stinks so much actually

[strange compass]

No econ from small blind is brutal

[frank grove]

Its fine on a lot of other decks cause even if you dont get out in one and get out in two you're usually fine

[stone shell]

blue stake should be halved rewards from big blind/j

[strange compass]

No red and blue clearly stand out

[wanton hare]

Ive heard someone says yellow deck is good for c++ but no luck i guess lol

[pale wolf]

I've literally never heard anybody complain about red stake except as a joke

[vestal copper]

its pretty consistent

[versed sable]

yeah but that's just because it's easier to play in general

[wanton hare]

No fun with yellow deck

[echo sphinx]

red and blue is so much tougher than everything before then imo

[vestal copper]

its quite fun actually

[strange compass]

That's a you thing then

[vestal copper]

purple is what makes blue tough tbh