🕹・game-discussion

[pure schooner]

Yo uh

[naive moss]

quit

[drowsy rain]

sell wily and mad, get two open joker slots for riff radf

[pure schooner]

Would it be viable to pivot to mime-

[ancient gyro]

willy is better used in the aftermarket

[tender quarry]

Too early to decide, but you're selling all but the Jolly for Riff-Raff now

[frozen tendon]

i really bottom decked a 4oak kings with 15 kings/45 cards on the water

[tender quarry]

That is, leaving Jolly and Banana

[pure schooner]

Shld i do it

Im so confused rn

[median grove]

but why is jolly so much better than mad joker?

dont they synergize together

[tender quarry]

There's an argument to sell Banana instead of Mad but people aren't ready for that

[drowsy rain]

Keep Jolly and Banana, play pairs, farm jokers with riff raff until you get two that you can build into pairs with

[ancient gyro]

jolly is more versatile

[median grove]

no way!

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[median grove]

okay thanks

[tender quarry]

You shouldn't listen to me on that part though that's tryhard consistency optimisation stuff

[drowsy rain]

Although early game make sure you play high chip hands like flushes so you don’t lose prematurely before you get mercury’s or a chip joker

[tender quarry]

If you're on red stake pretend you heard nothing

[drowsy rain]

Even two pair would work

[median grove]

okay gotcha, even though i want to make it to ante 13

[naive moss]

공포

[median grove]

okay thank you

[median grove]

like square joker / wee joker?

[drowsy rain]

square, runner, castle all work great on red stake

[median grove]

but all the jokers for pairs give chips, how do i get mult if i want a pair build?

like all of those you named only give chips

[feral needle]

There's mult-granting pair jokers too

and there's those that score unconditionally

[drowsy rain]

if you see a joker that scales mult, like red card, flash card or ride the bus, then it’s very easy to scale while playing pairs

jolly and michel will hold you over until you roll into one

[pale wolf]

so i just got this game and was wondering how i play the scribbly joker like i see on youtube

[feral needle]

Brainstorm?

[drowsy rain]

Riff raff may or may not give you one

[median grove]

okay thanks, and in general when you say pairs do you mean two pairs or pairs?

and is two pairs generally better than pairs

[drowsy rain]

pairs, unless you have a joker like spare trousers that wants you to play two pairs

[drowsy rain]

Two pairs is a stronger hand but pairs is much more favorable because you can draw it basically every hand

[ancient gyro]

they were referring to gs specific value optimizing

[drowsy rain]

and the difference in strength is very minimal

[median grove]

and do you think its too late to use my hex...

[drowsy rain]

I would say you don’t need it

[median grove]

okey

[drowsy rain]

red stake it’s not very important to use it

[ancient gyro]

generally you want to use it on the first joker you plan on keeping long term

[median grove]

i see

yeah i figured i missed the window

shrug

oooh i got the baron joker

[ancient gyro]

yuck

[median grove]

is that still good with pairs? or should i switch my whole thing to get lots of kings

[brave goblet]

I love pairslop

[median grove]

because someone said baron + mime is the best thing in the game

[ancient gyro]

baron requires a lot of things for it to be "usable"

[brave goblet]

Yea

[lunar fjord]

mostly deckfixing

[tender quarry]

It depends on your goal

[median grove]

i want to get to ante 13+

but this is also my first red run

[lunar fjord]

then barron mime

baron mime

[ancient gyro]

yeah baron can get you there

[drowsy rain]

It is if you can get it online

[median grove]

yippeeeeeeee

[lunar fjord]

or photochad

[drowsy rain]

but you need a mime first lol

Or steel

[lunar fjord]

u just need deck fixing

thats it

[median grove]

maybe ill get a mime with riff raff

[lunar fjord]

mime is uncvommon

riff is only for common

[drowsy rain]

riff raff gives only common jokers

[median grove]

oh dang

well ill try anyway

[ancient gyro]

deck fixing, planets, boss safety, money, a whole lot of each department

[median grove]

maybe baron is still good on its own

[lunar fjord]

not rly

[ancient gyro]

it's not

[drowsy rain]

not really

[median grove]

ill give baron a shot

[tender quarry]

Most of the advice that you've just got on playing pairs is "winning consistently", Baron Mime (or more generally, xMult on Trigger + Retriggers) is far better for "scoring very high"

[robust lance]

“Pairslop”

hard carried by flash card

[lunar fjord]

on its own its kinda bad

[ancient gyro]

it's one of the worst jokers in the game ante 8 wise

[drowsy rain]

Yep depends on the goal

[median grove]

but the chance i get baron is lower than the chance i get mime, so i feel lik i should try

[median grove]

but i want to have fun and get e

[ancient gyro]

so youre practically given a split path

[median grove]

and then ill use the pair advice for the next round

[brave goblet]

+48 for each

[robust lance]

See

[ancient gyro]

what kind of advice do you wanna seek for

[brave goblet]

but what about the chips part 🧠

[ancient gyro]

i got hungry

[median grove]

ive only had the game for two days so any kind of

[robust lance]

You’re supposed to eat chips

[lunar fjord]

[drowsy rain]

Then yes hold onto baron, you should find a video on how to build into baron tbh because there’s a lot of parts to it if you want to hit e

[median grove]

nah ill try on my own first

[willow frost]

just try win a few runs first

[ancient gyro]

i would just discover stuff on my own first without too much outside influence

[median grove]

is 4oak / 5oak the best with baron mime?

[tender quarry]

The one big piece of advice I will give is that everything will go through econ

[brave goblet]

think, why would you want to play cards on a build that revolves aruond cards held in hand

[tender quarry]

Having a lot of money solves most problems 🙂

[ancient gyro]

money makes everything easy

[median grove]

oh true

so i guess pairs

[brave goblet]

Actual reason to play on gold only, cause on white you literally get to do whatever you want

[drowsy rain]

think even harder

[median grove]

high card

!

[ancient gyro]

yeah

u can save pairs for like gs

or whatever

[median grove]

okay maybe ill keep with the pairs because i want to win on red

and the next time i play on white ill play baron

mime

[brave goblet]

yeah pairs is fine to beat it with

high card is like a long long term plan

[drowsy rain]

pairs will keep you afloat until you get enough setup for high card in endless

[brave goblet]

I think he's just trying to win lmao

win first, endless later

[feral needle]

There is an unlock at reaching Ante 12 for some reason

[median grove]

but isnt high card bad on endless because it gives the lowest bonus

[rich mauve]

this run looks promising

[feral needle]

or was it 10

i forgot

[brave goblet]

Ante 12 is like the highest ante before the scaling gets really stupid I think

[feral needle]

ah

[median grove]

and do i want to use the hang man when i am going for pair builds? no right, because i need to keep all my cards

[ancient gyro]

high card has the most straightforward benefits with the specific jokers and components required to reach naneinf

[median grove]

oh because of steel cards

[drowsy rain]

If you want to use baron in endless you actually NEED hanged man to get rid of low cards and aces

[lunar fjord]

or high card

[ancient gyro]

i made a tldr shitpasta about how to naneinf

[lunar fjord]

or death

[median grove]

but ace is the highest card in the game

[lunar fjord]

but it doesnt help baron

[brave goblet]

me when I couldn't find DNA so I added shit cards to try to death into kings 💔

[ancient gyro]

what does an ace do in a baron build that looks for kings

[brave goblet]

It actually worked pretty well that one time but I held onto the burglar too early and too long so cooked the run

[ancient gyro]

the only relevant vouchers you need are paint brush, retcon, antimatter, and overstock (preferably). ideally, dodging planet voucher and tarot tycoon is best to avoid extreme shop bloat. 44 red seal steels on the final hand for burger tech.

e70ish scoring for ante 24 boss. burger tech earlier than that likely kills boss blind too fast for naneinf.

joker requirements are 4 copies of bp/bs, baron mime, rebate, parking, or ticket depending on farming strat, dna ante before point scoring is required and ante 24, cola sells for voucher skip and reduce rng.

money should usually always be in the 4 figures. spend about half as much as you make each round when you're not at risk of dying.

[median grove]

okay fuck it ill play baron!

[drowsy rain]

You’re building into kings
Strength tarots can potentially turn jacks/queens into kings
Aces turn into twos and clog up a high card slot if you want to play lower rank cards with enchancements

[willow frost]

thanks im keeping this

[median grove]

true true

baron is terrible what the hell

[lunar fjord]

its not

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[lunar fjord]

u just have to build correctly

[ancient gyro]

baron in regular play requires an excessive amount of resources to rely on it

[lunar fjord]

early game baron is prolly worse than ramen

[ancient gyro]

in gs a8, baron only has a few jokers worse than it

[fringe nebula]

??????

how is ramen bad

[lunar fjord]

idk

i just dont like ramen

i like discarding

[sleek valley]

Fuck ramen

so irritating

[median grove]

i died

[fringe nebula]

incredible

[lunar fjord]

plus u lose money from hand

s

[cosmic sun]

You just have to be extremely desperate and/or already have kings set up from a possible Steel Joker pivot or from having Devils on Kings

[lunar fjord]

it does last pretty long tho

[cosmic sun]

1% of my GS runs are baron I bet

[fringe nebula]

you know you can just do a no discard gameplay right

😧

[lunar fjord]

but i like discards

[ebon condor]

dont

[fringe nebula]

this image will scare you

[ancient gyro]

me too

[cosmic sun]

real talk if you are building correctly then like 99.9 times out of 100 you are not building for baron

[mighty hare]

Does idol buff a specific suit or specific card

[lunar fjord]

both

specific card in ur deck

[ancient gyro]

yes I would've died without grimbo

[quasi vale]

If I strengthen a king to an ace it is still considered a face card right?

[void lintel]

nope

[lunar fjord]

no

face is j q and k

[ebon condor]

im curious how many screenshots do you have?

[eager summit]

finally beat up purple stake

[ancient gyro]

900

[lunar fjord]

w

[robust lance]

I mean i heard my professor count ace as a face card

[ebon condor]

jfc

[robust lance]

But that was for a math problem

[lunar fjord]

well

u cant spell face without ace

[eager summit]

the free wee kinda lowkey saved my run

[void topaz]

i genuinly dont know how to pivot from chips to mult on plamsa

plasma

[quasi vale]

I feel like the ace was considered a face with the boss blind all face cards drawn upside down

[lunar fjord]

once u have a good source of chips and find smt like blood stone and a retrigger

[void topaz]

no?

[lunar fjord]

pivot

[fringe nebula]

anyway, ramen is good

it gives x2, and you don't really need discard when you're doing high card/pair build most of the time

[eager summit]

scaling chips joker soft pivot is easier than hard pivoting

[mighty hare]

What's the easiest deck to win on?

[fringe nebula]

blue

[ebon condor]

yellow or blue

[fringe nebula]

or yellow

[ebon condor]

on white stake probably plasma tho

or checkered

[ancient gyro]

easiest probably yellow
best is blue

[eager summit]

anaglyph depending on your tag luck

[fringe nebula]

ok but when talking about consistency in giving good results, you shouldn'-

[void topaz]

insane draw

[eager summit]

i'm lucky getting seeds with neg tags, so it's pretty easy for me

[ebon condor]

well even negative tags fall off on higher stakes

[fringe nebula]

^

[ebon condor]

cuz stickers

[eager summit]

you might get good jokers as negatives, like my current run with merry andy and brainstorm, and even if the jokers are meh, negatives have the best temp value

[fringe nebula]

yeah i'm out

[ancient gyro]

getting lucky doesn't carry you through a 93 gs ws

[vestal copper]

eternal rental tribe from a rare + neg skip

[ancient gyro]

ill stay, need gym rage fuel

[fringe nebula]

you'll end up getting negative rental bloodstone and rental superposition instead

trust

[median grove]

is half joker good with jolly joker?

[fringe nebula]

not really

[flat warren]

It turns him into a just-okay joker

[fringe nebula]

half joker is usually enough to carry the earlygame

[vestal copper]

i dont see why not but thats aint a particularly stellar combo

[median grove]

turns which joker into which joker

[flat warren]

Woosh

[fringe nebula]

half joker is very strong earlygame carry

jolly joker is fine

[vestal copper]

both jolly and halfsies are early game killers mainly

[median grove]

i feel like i have really good jokers this run!

but i dont know which hand i should lean into?

[vestal copper]

you dont rlly need both

[eager summit]

my wee is all foiled up

[halcyon hazel]

"oh man a legendary i hope it's triboulet"

[ancient gyro]

whar

[vestal copper]

yeah nat neg hallucination is very good

[vestal copper]

gg chigoat

[ancient gyro]

a better naneinf joker🗣️

[ebon condor]

that run is NOT getting naneinf

[median grove]

which kind of hand should i lean into? or should i not decide yet

and i dont really know what to use dna on other than my golden aces

but i know its good

[fringe nebula]

dna on gold cards is fine

preferrably dna on blue seal

[ancient gyro]

generally pairs have the safest balance of jokers that work with it and not being affected by a lot of bosses

[median grove]

okey

[ebon condor]

you need chips atm tho

[vestal copper]

be a 3oak chad

[median grove]

yeah i like 3oak

[ancient gyro]

whatever value cards you have in deck
blue seals, gold cards, etc

[vestal copper]

and not a pair chud

[ebon condor]

so pairs may not be quite strong enough just yet

but you can aim for them

[median grove]

how would i get chips, wee / square joker?

[ebon condor]

any chips joker or just planets

its why blue seals are so good

[ancient gyro]

planets, retriggers, jokers, or specific enhancements

[fringe nebula]

dna is a chips joker (if you have blue seal/bonus/stone cards)
dna is an econ joker (if you have gold card)
dna is an xmult joker (if you have glass)

[ancient gyro]

jokers and planets are the more universal options

[ebon condor]

yeah but theyre gonna be using it on gold cards

so its not a chips joker yet

[fringe nebula]

true

[errant bolt]

mad world challenge is fun

[median grove]

is it best to dna aces? or face cards?

oh i have one blue seal queen

i guess ill dna that

[vestal copper]

yeah

[fringe nebula]

dna blue seal

def

absolutely

[median grove]

and then i will go for a 3oak / 4oak chad

[vestal copper]

making it steel or gold could be good too

[median grove]

true

okay this run has potential

[cosmic sun]

putting these out of order cause how am I supposed to get big obelisk otherwise

[slender mauve]

how do you handle this sort of thing? skip? i think poly might not be worth it even if it lands on baron?

[ancient gyro]

grim

[ebon condor]

skip or grim

[fringe nebula]

grim or skip yeah

[ebon condor]

but i don't think grims amazing here either

[fringe nebula]

$2 at ante 3 is...... something

[mellow surge]

Happens

[ancient gyro]

i will hold my grin for now

[slender mauve]

yeah, not going well if i'm honest

[median grove]

my scores are very low right now... should i play higher hands or just upgrade pair?

i feel like pair is so weak

compared to full house or 3oak or something

[vestal copper]

pair has pretty powerful scaling

[median grove]

even though my jokers are really good

[ancient gyro]

well it depends what you have

[cosmic sun]

too little yet still too much

[ancient gyro]

shrimpy obby

[fringe nebula]

my obelisk usually end up at x4-5 because i no longer see any point in scaling further lol

[ancient gyro]

i had a similar problem

[ebon condor]

that deck is a monstrosity

[wicked sequoia]

Holy moly will I pull it off

[median grove]

i just have to lookout for square joker, runner, wee joker, and bull right

[median grove]

or anything that gives chips

and maybe like a + mult or xmult

[vestal copper]

those could be quite good

[ebon condor]

if youre dnaing blue seals hopefully it should be enough soon

[ancient gyro]

always go for the record

[ebon condor]

but def still lookout for chips n xmult

[median grove]

oooh i got pants, so i think ill go for a two pair

[median grove]

do you think thats a good pivot

[halcyon hazel]

i quitted the game out of disappointment and it didn't save so now I don't have chico thank god
but the game still put him in the collection thats weird

[heady narwhal]

pants is about as good in a 2pair build as in a pair build imo

[fringe nebula]

nah, double skipping to ante 8 boss is the way

[vestal copper]

you can play some 2 pairs and still scale the pair by blue sealing on it

[ancient gyro]

if you have chip problems still while having universal mult scoring options, it's not bad to use higher ranking hands that have better base chips

[heady narwhal]

if you level up 2 pair then you can't scale pants 4 times per round (overscoring)
if you level up pair then you can't scale pants 4 times per round (need to play at least one pair)

[heady narwhal]

i'd say pair is maybe the better choice because of blinds like mouth

[ancient gyro]

o

[median grove]

so i shouldnt get pants?

[ancient gyro]

wh

[heady narwhal]

could you screenshot your current run

[median grove]

i have good jokers but i dont know what hand i should lean into

[cosmic sun]

the trib glaze needs to be studied

[ancient gyro]

this is where dna starts to show it's flaws

[heady narwhal]

either pair or 2pair is fine, maybe do pairs since you already have levels

scale pants either way

e.g. play 3 two pairs and then finish the round with a pair to get the blue seals

[ebon condor]

you def need a backup for when michel dies

and pants can be that

[heady narwhal]

i don't know if it's worth using dna here

even though you can copy blue seals

[median grove]

my points are absolutely abysmal though

[ebon condor]

i don't think it is

[median grove]

i might die on this hand

[slow iris]

gold stake idol build real

[vestal copper]

dont forget to place pants to the left of the jolly when you want to kill the blind

[ebon condor]

i think they just don't have enough chips to scale pants atm

[ancient gyro]

they can end it on a pair if needed

[median grove]

oh true

[ancient gyro]

depending on what their first hand scores

[ebon condor]

how much is a pair scoring for u rn?

if my math is correct, around like 3000 i think?

[median grove]

am i dead

[median grove]

yes

[slow iris]

thanks showman! just what i needed

[median grove]

noooooooooooo

[ebon condor]

play the blue seals if you have to do so to live

[median grove]

im alive!

[serene forge]

here, win

[vestal copper]

yeah squimbo shop 1 is a here, win for sure

[median grove]

its really hard to level up two pair, and also win for me right

now

[unborn cliff]

mime in the buffoon pack

(also rental)

[median grove]

should i drop pants and just focus on pair?

or keep playing two pairs and hope i can win

[charred sierra]

i got copies of brainstorm like ante 2 and proceed to get nothing

[unborn cliff]

dude there's minors in chat, come on...

[ancient gyro]

pants can still be a pair joker

[median grove]

but my two pair is lvl 1 right now... so any time i play it im asking to lose

you know what i mean

[robust lance]

Throwback

[median grove]

or maybe play pairs and then use my blue seals on atwo pair!

to level up two pair

[red wing]

guys do you have any tips for beating red deck gold stake if i didn't play since a long time

[charred sierra]

i was already at boss when i got it

[robust lance]

Oh

[charred sierra]

and i went to 0 hands the round before

[ancient gyro]

i mean normally I go the other way around but that can work too

[median grove]

but im too far up the ante almost to play two pairs

because its lvl 1

and my pairs are lvl 7

[ancient gyro]

you'll scale pants less during the short term maneuver

[robust lance]

If there’s pants where’s shorts

[charred sierra]

i shall not fail

[void topaz]

HOLY VAGABOND

[robust lance]

Throwing it back at maximum velocity

[fiery nymph]

i love flush 5 pivots

[serene forge]

no

[robust lance]

(You’re gonna die btw)

[charred sierra]

its all i have

oh no i started a new run i was cooked

[slow iris]

i did the impossible

[fiery nymph]

sidon pfp

[slow iris]

gold stake idol build

[spring jungle]

its not worth taking dna here right?

[charred sierra]

thank you

[fiery nymph]

how????

😭

[spring jungle]

is it worth selling sum for dna?

[unborn cliff]

oh my god bruh

[void topaz]

nah you gotta pop an ecto soon

[robust lance]

That card stacking like that threw me off

[spring jungle]

yea

[slow iris]

ante 1 ouija with trading card and some immolates

[rich mauve]

loyalty card done

[fiery nymph]

wow

[robust lance]

Least obvious cavendish carry

[fiery nymph]

im just now changing from pair runs to more fixed runs

[slow iris]

i think i found like 3 immolates

[fiery nymph]

its honestly so satisfying to not play pairs

im finding a lot more joy in playing things like 3/4oak and flush5

[ancient gyro]

if only vic could do this

the joy of doing pairless++

[unborn cliff]

holy shop 1 joker

[fiery nymph]

whats the most used hand there?

[robust lance]

Three of a kinds 🔥 🔥 🔥

[slow iris]

what's vic doing

[ancient gyro]

painting

[robust lance]

OBVIOUSLY flush :3

[ancient gyro]

high card

[frank notch]

ok bro

[slow iris]

i'm also going for painted++

[fiery nymph]

flush house++ when

[robust lance]

TRUE

[ancient gyro]

what would that even be

[unborn cliff]

checkered deck putting in work

[robust lance]

Try to get flush house asap and then only using that

[fiery nymph]

flush house is honestly the worst hand imo

[ancient gyro]

that doesn't sound like a cool challenge

uh

[fiery nymph]

sounds miserable

[ancient gyro]

I can think of far worse hands

[robust lance]

It’s even worse than high card

[unborn cliff]

foak only

[ancient gyro]

i

[fiery nymph]

oh

[robust lance]

Fuck only?

[fiery nymph]

yeah 5oak is worse

[unborn cliff]

five oak

[void topaz]

so close to making it out of the plant

[slow iris]

oh yeah i've also done a straight flush build on gold stake recently

[unborn cliff]

summon luchador and just win

[robust lance]

Say it’s full name

[unborn cliff]

Five of a Kind

[robust lance]

Nicknames are for friends and your ass is NOT a friend of five of a kind (neither am I)

[ancient gyro]

i don't think i did a single one on black++

[unborn cliff]

hello beautiful

[ancient gyro]

pluh

[robust lance]

Madness carry

[rich mauve]

I can't even say the green goblin line

it's madness

😭

do it

[robust lance]

:6pmest:

[rich mauve]

go photochad

[unborn cliff]

read my name

[spring jungle]

is it worth popping a ecto for the invis?

[unborn cliff]

what do you think i took

[thorn thistle]

unlocked golden ticket on airplane mode

[hidden lance]

didnt know crimson worked like that with stuntman, its pretty cool

[robust lance]

Madness

[void topaz]

if your winning then defo

[frozen tendon]

what am i getting rid of

[unborn cliff]

bad news

[spring jungle]

i am getting e25 in ante 12

[unborn cliff]

two pair level

[robust lance]

FUCK!!!!

[void topaz]

youll propably be fine

[median grove]

are you talking to me?

[unborn cliff]

yeah

[fiery nymph]

red stake

[median grove]

any help scaling this build? im definitely going to lose soon

[fiery nymph]

whats the hand

[median grove]

what should i replace it with?

[median grove]

my two pair is level 5, my pair is level 9

if thats what you mean

[unborn cliff]

you are not selling anything

[median grove]

i shouldnt sell anything?

[unborn cliff]

nope

[mellow surge]

Sell green

[median grove]

but im only getting like 10,000 points per hand

[ancient gyro]

roll down, if you find an undesired planet, open some celestials

[vernal breach]

I lost my first unseeded naneinf run cuz I forgot to reroll into serpent...

[median grove]

whats green

[spring jungle]

do i sell invis for dna?

[fiery nymph]

bro what is pants on

[mellow surge]

Wrong person whoops

[void topaz]

i lowkey dont know

[spring jungle]

alright

[void topaz]

i wouldnt

but like maybe thats wrong

[spring jungle]

is there someone here that knows what would be the best thing to do?

[median grove]

• 20

[spring jungle]

alright!

[frail canyon]

what are some tips for a new player who can't get past the 3rd anit

[median grove]

should i keep scaling it? or no

[vernal breach]

I would

[spring jungle]

ill trust u then

[fiery nymph]

always nice

[spring jungle]

bcof the terry davis pfp

[fiery nymph]

idk how you have it scaled that slowly ante 7

probably the reason why you arent winning

[median grove]

i couldnt really play that many two pairs earlier because i didnt buy enough space cards

so do you think i should primarily play pairs, or two pairs with this build?

[karmic garnet]

I'm one stake away from gold stake

[median grove]

now that they're around the same level

whats better?

[nova junco]

i feel lobotomized

[median grove]

i guess two pair to scaler

[fiery nymph]

i usually take my time scaling the mult and play pairs or something aside from two pair

you kinda messed up by scaling so slow

[slender mauve]

i think that's rage quit for me, thanks

[void topaz]

this is good

[ancient gyro]

well youre better off with 2 pair atp

[fiery nymph]

yeah you are

[median grove]

but then why does anyone play a pair build... isnt two pair objectively better

[fiery nymph]

nah

pairs are more consistent

[zenith raven]

Yeah for sure, with what you got in your deck now. Needs more fixing. Also, throw every copy joker on DNA on your first turn, and you’ve immediately got a hand that’s 4 cards higher than it should be when you play your next hand.

[fiery nymph]

and more hand size

a lot of things

[frank notch]

deadly synergy combo

[strange delta]

isnt there something bad about pickup up a negative invisible?

[median grove]

true

[void topaz]

nope

[ancient gyro]

2 pairs have a higher failure rate from drawing out of your deck and has some specific joker hindrances and held in hand effects

[frank notch]

absolutely no consqeueces to it

[fiery nymph]

its just really nice to have

[zenith raven]

You also should not be putting every copy joker on mime, you’re gimping your score. Put the blueprints on Baron, and the brainstorm on mime.

[frank grove]

if you sell it to copy a joker you would have to sell two jokers to make room for another one cause it removes the negative effect so you'll have 6/5 joker slots filled

[frozen tendon]

temp value

[vernal breach]

Dna in that situation is useful if you have retcon for serpent farming although idk if ante 13 is too late for that. Other than that the invis joker hit would prolong you like 1 or 2 antes.

[median grove]

am i dead here

[frank grove]

what hand are you doing for?

[zenith raven]

Why would you wanna retcon for serpent? With a set up like that, you’re not going to need to hit serpent.

[ancient gyro]

objectively better is not what I said. pairs works with the MOST amount of jokers/bosses/card draw variance effects that are handed to you every run. some runs can dictate alternative poker hand direction like stuntman/shortcut/aj/etc

[zenith raven]

At least not at ante 8

[median grove]

i see

[zenith raven]

Not until like 16

[median grove]

two pair i think

[void topaz]

am i cooked

guys

what if it breaks

[zenith raven]

Or are you saying his deck isn’t bulky enough yet for ante 16 serpent

[ancient gyro]

why do you still have dna is my question

[median grove]

oh i dont know

but i won!

what should i replace it with?

[ancient gyro]

you still have room for jokers so just replace it when you wanna buy something in place of

[median grove]

okay ill buy blue joker

[void topaz]

should i pick up showman cause like what if i get another baron

or another reserved parking more likely

[tardy spade]

Why isn't to-do list seeded when literally everything else is?

[void topaz]

ok just did the math i dont need raised fist anymore

[tidal lily]

I hate this game sometimes

[tardy spade]

Double nat negative and you can't take either one

[fiery nymph]

credit card in the buffoon pack

[tardy spade]

Unless... Credit card in buffoon pack

[fringe nebula]

me, of all people actually doing photochad flush build 🐴

i sold luchador because of plant btw

[fiery nymph]

booooo

[tidal lily]

There wasn't, otherwise I wouldn't have posted it 💀

[fiery nymph]

💔

[fringe nebula]

it's fine, photograph is still not in the top 10

[void topaz]

negative faceless isnt bad

baron mime mogs idol anywa

[fiery nymph]

thats good

[tidal lily]

Yeah that's not the issue here 😂

[fiery nymph]

rtb first is peak

i love bus

!!

i avoid bosses and get mult!!

pairslop pairslop pairslop

[void topaz]

does the extra negative idol make retriggers stronger than baron mime

[fringe nebula]

did someone said..... pair?

[median grove]

should i replace dna with hanging chad?

[fringe nebula]

do you have glass cards

or something

[ancient gyro]

well you have an extra slot

[median grove]

im kind of struggling, i might beat ante 8 but i might lose

oh true

[fringe nebula]

and yeah you have extra slot

[median grove]

lol

[ancient gyro]

I'll sell it regardless

[fiery nymph]

okay why is eris below neptune

[median grove]

but isnt a glass card a bad first trigger

or bad first retrigger

[fiery nymph]

is this like constellation scaling

[median grove]

because it only gives me + 4 mult essentially

2x2

[fringe nebula]

very worth it with hanging chad

[ancient gyro]

f5 isn't a widely obtainable poker hand on gs

[void topaz]

SUDDENLY WERE IN THIS

[median grove]

oh can i move hanging chad to the right of my jokers?

[void topaz]

were not really in this

but like its cool

[median grove]

yis

[fiery nymph]

i find it easier to get to than straight flushes

[fringe nebula]

what is your planet level again?

[fiery nymph]

by quite a bit

[median grove]

two pair is level 15

[frail canyon]

what are some tips for a new player. (I honestly don't know what strategies to use)

[median grove]

but do you know what i mean? if glass card is the first retrigger, without any other mult it only gives me 2x2, which is 4 mulkt

[fringe nebula]

copy glass card and then use hanging chad for 2 pair glass

[median grove]

am i right about that

[rancid gull]

How new we talking

[median grove]

okay

[frail canyon]

Like bought the game rn new

[median grove]

wait i have no glass cards lol

[fringe nebula]

well

[rancid gull]

Just play the game tbh

[median grove]

DANG

[rancid gull]

For right now

[frank notch]

you'll learn

you dont need help right now

[rancid gull]

Like it’s hard to talk strategies if you don’t know what jokers exist

[fringe nebula]

steve, i have sinned

[rancid gull]

What did you do

[fringe nebula]

photochad flush build

with luchador sold because of the plant

[frail canyon]

Unlock the blue deck and some jokers but that's really it

[rancid gull]

I legit thought this was going to be a bloodstone screenshot

But this is amazing too

[rancid gull]

Blue deck is a good one starting

[frail canyon]

But I'm still confused if should discard some cards or play them

[median grove]

ooh i have lucky cards, maybe thats good with hanging chad

obviously not idea but still

[rancid gull]

Well you can discard to find the bigger hands

At first

[desert tinsel]

game handed me a free win so i might as well get the most out of it

[nova junco]

what do I even take

[strange delta]

I won\

[rancid gull]

And then depending on the jokers/planets you can play a variety of had types

[slow iris]

invis

[nova junco]

I'm unironically considering the card lol

[slow iris]

you can get away with taking invis this early on plasma

[nova junco]

I'll try

[frail canyon]

Ah okay

[slow iris]

or you can take and sell for money

[fringe nebula]

i have done bl**dstone build before

[novel rain]

Any tips for how to use Obelisk?

[frank notch]

bloodstone AND photochad build

[fringe nebula]

make a pair bank

[frozen tendon]

is it crazy to pass on ts?

[slow iris]

no

[frail canyon]

What does the blank voucher do or does it really do nothing

[frozen tendon]

i have no econ and am trying to scale red card

[nova junco]

spam A LOT of pairs

[fringe nebula]

don't

[nova junco]

and then profit

[frozen tendon]

i'm gon be so broke 💔

[frank notch]

it actually does nothing. but redeem it 10 times and you unlock tier 2 which gives an extra joker slot

[fringe nebula]

rental at $0 is a death sentence

don't take

[frozen tendon]

oh i thought you said don't pass

thought so

[frail canyon]

So only buy if I have extra money to spend?

[frank notch]

buy it always

to unlock it

[frail canyon]

Ah ok

[ancient gyro]

me too

[median grove]

is it too late to scale square joker on ante 9

[slow iris]

...yes

[median grove]

lol

[slow iris]

very late

[median grove]

dang

[fiery nymph]

the one time i take booodstone was because of an ante 1 dice + stone

[slow iris]

way too late

[ancient gyro]

well if you're going past a8 I have other priorities

[median grove]

any chance im getting to ante 11, eh?

[ancient gyro]

no

[median grove]

noooooooooooooooo

ill try

maybe ill get baron mime

[ancient gyro]

not with that kind of econ

[frail canyon]

What are some good cards I can unlock early in the game?

[ancient gyro]

you're not on the right deck to seamlessly roll with that naneinf specific build anyways

[void topaz]

where the freak is mime fr

[quartz mirage]

i was expecting to get naneinf what happened here lmao

[void topaz]

ante 13

[rapid galleon]

Is this gud?

[frail canyon]

what is even happening here...

[quartz mirage]

stockpiling cryptids since ante 6 😭

[frank notch]

mult is too high

did your mult hit -nan?

[distant thunder]

today i got an eternal vagabond run , found bloodstone in shop , and an oops all 6 from a judgement , on gold stake ✌️

[quartz mirage]

3/4 of the way through the mult just stopped rendering so i guess so?

[fiery nymph]

this is why vagabond is so good

[distant thunder]

yup gotta give credit where credits due

[deft anvil]

Well I'll be damned

3oak of all hands

[median grove]

is zodiac deck legendary?

[calm furnace]

stone joker carry

[median grove]

it sounds really good

[calm furnace]

its one of the strongest

[ivory portal]

Holy shit

Straight flush first hand

[calm furnace]

also lol the story of anaglyph

[ivory portal]

@lost vault

🥹🥹🥹

[void topaz]

no negatives huh

[wicked mango]

I have 50 money and I'm not about to lose. Ante 4. How do i improve my econ to the point where i can fish for my desired jokers from this point on?

[calm furnace]

thats the worst skip tag 😭

[void topaz]

baron at 292 with a full red seal hand

WHERE IS MIME BRO

[median grove]

is two ancient jokers good?

or is that useless

[calm furnace]

great

lmao

ancient is free win

[median grove]

oh lol

[calm furnace]

thats 15x on a hand

[novel rain]

Is 27 pairs enough to start playing other hands with Obelisk? Start of Ante 5

[median grove]

so ancients are good with an even flush build, right?

and maybe like photograph?

or any retriggers?

[calm furnace]

yes anything above 15 is enough

[heady narwhal]

are you fishing for specific jokers?

[calm furnace]

its only good for flush

[rancid gull]

One strategy you’ll like probs is photo Chad

[calm furnace]

find hack or sock dusk and chad

[wicked mango]

Marble for the gold sticker yeh

[rancid gull]

The classic

[void topaz]

yall aint playing wild card kings flush five

[rancid gull]

Level up pairs and have a photo Chad or something

Or 3oak

[median grove]

and get card modifications?

right

[calm furnace]

unless you have boss reroll wild cards make ancient joker worse

[calm furnace]

lucky and glass go wild with it

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[serene forge]

way more than enough

I had a run yesterday where I pivoted at 15 in like ante 3 and nothing even came close to that

[void topaz]

im barely beating these blinds bro someone grant me a mime

[frail canyon]

What are some good cards I can unlock early in the game?

[hidden lance]

what a shame

[fiery nymph]

i feel like stencil is a little too good

[fringe nebula]

it's better to use those double tags for money

especially on gold stake

[void topaz]

right under a photo of someone losing

[fringe nebula]

card sharp

[serene forge]

nah

[fiery nymph]

i feel like its too easy to win with it

[void topaz]

what is the relation here

[serene forge]

stencil is only particularly good if you get multiple of them

[ivory portal]

I like you

[fiery nymph]

2 stencils wins the game

[serene forge]

and even then crimson heart probably just kills you

[fiery nymph]

its literally scale planets and win

[serene forge]

which you can't always do

you can't just pull an ankh out of your ass whenever you want

[fiery nymph]

even without 2 stencils

[serene forge]

a single stencil will be good early game and progressively get worse as you go further

[slow iris]

damn

[hidden lance]

clearly not

[calm furnace]

stencil is 2x with 4 jokers and thats good enough

[fiery nymph]

when it comes to going to ante 8 i feel like its very strong

[vernal breach]

Stencil is so clutch sometimes

[calm furnace]

can carry stencil as backup plan and sell econ joker before last boss to clutch

[fringe nebula]

stencil with +mult joker and x3 is usually okay

chips from blue seal

[serene forge]

you know whats better than 2x with 4 jokers

2x with 5 jokers

[calm furnace]

yeah if you have chips + mult + 3x mult and stencil at 2x it can beat viollet vessel

[fiery nymph]

or this

[serene forge]

stencil also becomes worse when you use jokers for utility

[calm furnace]

its only better if one of those extra jokers is xMult. if its econ who cares stencil is better

[void topaz]

WHERE IS MIME IM GOING TO LOOOOOOSE

[lost vault]

wassuh

[serene forge]

which is not great

[median grove]

is bootstraps good with ancient joker?

[calm furnace]

stencils biggest problem is that it makes crimson a bigger devil

[median grove]

or do i only want retriggers, lucky cards, and glass cards

[calm furnace]

no\

[lost vault]

they dont interact

[calm furnace]

flat mult doesnt help on score builds

[serene forge]

bootstraps is not good period

[lost vault]

image of no correlation graph

[fiery nymph]

bootstraps is underwhelming for the amount of money it takes

[fringe nebula]

+2 mult for $5 is such a bad trade

[serene forge]

anyway

[calm furnace]

baseball card fodder

[lost vault]

5 dollars that you dont even spend you just have

[serene forge]

I did win black gs for the first time with double stencil

[fiery nymph]

flash card is better

[serene forge]

and stencil is better on black

[calm furnace]

boots and flowerpot are 1.5x when im desperate and i have baseball

[serene forge]

but realistically I can't call it that great

[lost vault]

at least flash card gives you 2 mult for spending it and getting something out of it

[serene forge]

it's not bad though

[lost vault]

straps just like

[frank notch]

vglhornet ragebait

[lost vault]

stinky

[fiery nymph]

if you have straps econ, just play red card or flash card

[median grove]

okay thnaks

[fringe nebula]

i want to have another flash card + midas mask run

[slow iris]

@serene forge will love

[fiery nymph]

ur just getting more outta ur buck

[fringe nebula]

shit's so good

[serene forge]

bull is just bootstraps if it was remotely usable

[serene forge]

I love hrt

[lost vault]

3 antes later, run dead to the plant

[calm furnace]

bull is great because chips are not easy to come buy

[median grove]

can a card be wild and foil? or no

[serene forge]

luna I got a x34 yorick earlier today

[lost vault]

yeah

[calm furnace]

boots is whatever i can settle for half card lmao

[novel rain]

Monolith challenge done

[frank notch]

i won this run

[fringe nebula]

edition and enhancement are 2 different things

[slow iris]

insane

[lost vault]

okay

[median grove]

can it be steel and wild?

[lost vault]

no

dude the game tells you this

[fiery nymph]

how many discards does copying andy do here

[void topaz]

im gonna have to start using my cryptids cause theres no mime in this seeeeeed

[lost vault]

each card can have one enhancement, edition, and seal

[calm furnace]

you cant copy andy

[lost vault]

if you cant remember which is which, check the collection

[fiery nymph]

whaaat

[void topaz]

blueprint before mime are we serious

[fiery nymph]

this feels like something you should be able to do

maybe not with hand size

[calm furnace]

its like troubador cant be copied

dunno why but kind makes sense? idk

[serene forge]

passive effects cannot be copied

as a general rule of thumb

[fiery nymph]

:(

because the positioning isnt passive

[serene forge]

burglar's hands are not passive though because they proc at the start of a round

[fiery nymph]

makes sense

[calm furnace]

burglar is not passive?

[lost vault]

it makes a lot of sense

[serene forge]

so burger is copyable

[calm furnace]

oh

[lost vault]

the wording

[fiery nymph]

copying andy would be fun

[lost vault]

"when blind is selected"

means it is not passive

[calm furnace]

hell yeah

[noble shuttle]

14th Gold Stake
Black Deck tipz plz :3

[calm furnace]

i love discarding

[void topaz]

let me tell you about this thing from your nightmares

its called blue stake

[noble shuttle]

Give black deck tipz plz :3

[calm furnace]

my nightmare is crimson heart

bluestake is whatever

[lost vault]

get good

[fringe nebula]

money

you really really really want money on black deck

[ancient gyro]

2 pair occasionally

[lost vault]

do not run 2 pair

[fringe nebula]

yeah, 2 pair is good on black deck

[lost vault]

theyre just pair but with extra steps

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[fringe nebula]

2 pair is good on any deck actually

[serene forge]

2 pair is ok sometimes

[stoic isle]

i LOVE arrowhead!!!

[atomic trout]

Pareidolia and Reserved Parking 😺

[calm furnace]

bloodstone if it was good

[serene forge]

pair is obviously better usually but sometimes you need the chips or the card procs

[noble shuttle]

Mean 3:<

[lost vault]

well yes but doesnt that go for most things in the game

[lost vault]

hows that mean

[calm furnace]

sometimes you just keep finding uranus and you go full 2pair mode

[stoic isle]

i always go for two pair over pair because

haha uranus funny

[lost vault]

if i tell you to improve at something i am not insulting you

[serene forge]

idk showman is pretty much always trash

[lost vault]

MOST

[serene forge]

quantify most

[lost vault]

everything but showman and idol

:3

[calm furnace]

everything but boots and flowerpot for me

[lost vault]

bloodstone can be usable i wont be hearing your bias

[fiery nymph]

what ante do you guys lose the most on

[ancient gyro]

on black deck, 2 pair has more occasionally better niche joker options on black where fib/even/onyx/smiley or odd/arrow/scary has twice the procs. and in occasion better planet chip scaling

[fringe nebula]

ante 1

or 2

[lost vault]

probably like 3 or 4

[ancient gyro]

it varies

[stoic isle]

showman rework that has been said like 500 times already:
make the things that you already have more likely to show up

[fringe nebula]

most of my death are at ante 1-4

yeah

[lost vault]

1 and 2 are easy enough to clear with basic scoring jokers but 3 and 4 are when the scoring catches up to you

[calm furnace]

usable at the cost of raising cortisol

[serene forge]

throwback

[lost vault]

okay fair

[fringe nebula]

i like photochad

[calm furnace]

throwback at 1.5x sometimes is all you need to get over VV requirements

[median grove]

how should i deckfix with sock and buskin and ancient joker?

just delete all the number cards?

[noble shuttle]

Faces

[fiery nymph]

i overall just dont like strategies that use face cards to score, i see them as vulnerable

[lost vault]

when cro

[void topaz]

i guess im doing a mime-less naneinf

[fringe nebula]

having less cards on your deck makes ot easier to draw flush

[calm furnace]

you have boss reroll?

[serene forge]

I usually get fucked by wall or needle or something on 4 or 5

[median grove]

no

[median grove]

okay thanks

[median grove]

is it bad to use death card, because then i have an unbalanced amount of one suit?

[calm furnace]

copying wild face cards is great but it puts you at a bigger risk when facing suit debuff bosses

[fringe nebula]

see? that's where the fun part comes

i literally had a run an hour ago where i sold luchador for plant

you can also make numbered glass cards

[median grove]

because im duplicating the suit too

[fringe nebula]

and also this

[fiery nymph]

they sure are fun and nice to do i just dont like losing these runs 😭

[calm furnace]

literally all you need when doing photochad. always make glass numbers

photochad doesnt get walled by the plant like baron and stm

[fiery nymph]

the glass cards does work

[ancient gyro]

stm is pretty fun for its gimmick workarounds

[fiery nymph]

oh i use stm a lot maybe im a liar

😭

[serene forge]

I disagree

[atomic trout]

Damn you 🪴🌿🌱

[atomic trout]

Haha

[fiery nymph]

holy plants

[atomic trout]

You're on Gold plant

[calm furnace]

what is stm doing here?

[serene forge]

nothing

and I still won

lol

[calm furnace]

how high was HC?

[serene forge]

i don't remember

like 20 or something

[void topaz]

truly a horrific sight

where is mime

im so poor

[fiery nymph]

shoot the moon

it makes its way into my runs for no reason

most of the time i dont think it does anything

😭

but its cool

[fringe nebula]

it does something

[atomic trout]

This is awkward..

[fringe nebula]

sometimes, stm gives way more mult than your average scaling mult joker

[fiery nymph]

not in my runs in particular

[ancient gyro]

stm is one of my favorite skill check jokers

[fiery nymph]

ik it gives a lot of mult i just dont make it do that much

[fringe nebula]

most of the time*

[fiery nymph]

im pretty sure thats the way to get the highest amount of mult?

base mult no xmult

nevermind i used it a lot here

[ancient gyro]

stm being brainstorm xmult compatible is something I found nice to have in the background recently

[void topaz]

some people get gifted the ever gracious mime and pull shit like this PLEEEEASSEE

[fiery nymph]

are you still looking for the mime

[void topaz]

yes bro

ante 20

[fiery nymph]

is ur econ fried

[void topaz]

this is what im doing

i make like 60 ish bucks a round

[fiery nymph]

😔

[void topaz]

ive found 2 invis's and both hit perkeo

[fiery nymph]

thats nice

[serene forge]

I feel like stm appears every time I play for my girlfriend

[fringe nebula]

i will shoot the moon just for you

[ancient gyro]

nobody is more dedicated than me

[atomic trout]

Yay 😹❣️

[void topaz]

women love women or some shit

[atomic trout]

Highest Card 🕯️

[void topaz]

guys its absurd at this point

ive found the mime repellent seed

[vernal breach]

Dumb question but all the tarot gen jokers can create fool right?

[void topaz]

its got everything else for naneinf

[void topaz]

yea

[slow iris]

was really hoping for a joker i hadn't got a sticker on yet

[formal oriole]

Biggest PMO of my life

[fringe nebula]

parking and jimbo are pretty good no?

[ancient gyro]

they want more stickers 🗣️

[void topaz]

im pretty sure as soon as i find mimei can get naneinf

bum ass game bruh

[humble gulch]

The same happened to me...

[median grove]

can anyone help me get to a higher ante?

what jokers should i replace / lookout for

?

[fringe nebula]

idol

baron mime

sock

dusk

hack