🕹・game-discussion

[sharp junco]

bad draws kills most of my runs

[red briar]

every seed is winnable by a perfect player sure

[steady marten]

Yo wsg guys I have a question

What’s the easiest deck for goldstake outside of abandoned and ghost?

[cursive crater]

blue

[steady marten]

Is there a type of hand that usually is better than the others?

[cursive crater]

pair outshines everything in gold stake

[steady marten]

Pairs? Fr

Is there an explanation?

[fiery nymph]

if you see people like balatro uni he just consistently wins gold stake seeds it baffles me

like back to back win streaks

they teach me so much

[fiery nymph]

easy to draw and play, have access to more handsize for steel, gold, and other hand card effects. have a bunch of joker synergies and just overal very consistent

[cursive crater]

no deckfixing needed, most of the scaling jokers push towards pairs, more cards in hand=more gold, steel and blue seal value

[median grove]

is 3oak better than pair? and is 4oak better than 3oak?

[cursive crater]

and many more things

[cursive crater]

what wise

[median grove]

generally

[cursive crater]

playability?

scaling?

[median grove]

im just not sure what i should do here

[red briar]

this run got me rcrine

[median grove]

or what path to focus on

[steady marten]

Another thing: is there a best rank to play? Aces helped me beat both of my gold stakes

[robust lance]

9s

Cloud 9

(The best money joker)

[sharp junco]

kings generally but theyre higher risk higher reward due to the boss blinds

[hidden lance]

it was such a good start too

[fiery nymph]

pairs require less fixing, but 3oak and 4oak have better planet scaling which would be long-term better for more bosses but the fact that they require some layer of fixing turns off some players... i would recommend 4oak over 3oak as well

[cursive crater]

plant claims yet another victim

[fiery nymph]

since the 4oak planet scales very well

[red briar]

i need chips to win

my setup is ALL mult rn

[fiery nymph]

i like 10s and aces because they are boss proof

i wouldnt do face cards as often since 2 bosses affect them badly

[cursive crater]

cant wait for the card rank boss in 1.2

its coming trust

[median grove]

so what jokers are best for 4oak? i have rtb and ceremonial dagger right now

[red briar]

xmult and chips bro please

[robust lance]

DNA trustttttt

[fiery nymph]

honestly really similar to pairs you just dont need chips

[median grove]

oh very true

[sharp junco]

i used to think celestial dagger was so baller for like my first 2 seconds of playing and then i started disliking it

[median grove]

but what jokers are best for pairs? i dont really know either

[fiery nymph]

and you have access to the 4oak, and 3oak xmult jokers are nice

[fiery nymph]

just scaling mult

a decent xmult

[median grove]

like x4 mult

[fiery nymph]

and chip source

[median grove]

like ramen?

[cursive crater]

yeah ramens fine but its only 2x

[fiery nymph]

not even you could do somewhat well with 2x

3x mult is sufficient

[cursive crater]

a hologram is what ur looking for since bloated deck doesnt matter for. pairs

[median grove]

what are good chip sources?

[median grove]

im playing 4oak

i think

[cursive crater]

oh

[red briar]

if i got a good xmult rn

id be set

[fiery nymph]

you dont need it for 4oak btw

[cursive crater]

yeah mars is more than enough

its 30 chips a level

i think

[tropic mulch]

F L U S H
I
V
E

[red briar]

yeah

yall cannot be telling me every run is winnable

when i have gone 4 antes with zero chip scoring jokers

[fiery nymph]

you dont need chips

[red briar]

i am playing pairs

yes i do

[fiery nymph]

if you were playing a diff hand

you would be winning

[red briar]

BUT I'M NOT

[tropic mulch]

Every run is winnable if you believe

[red briar]

i have pairs

[fiery nymph]

thats why ever seed is winnable but you chose a bad path

[tropic mulch]

Believe in the cards

[red briar]

and i cant pivot at ante 6

[cursive crater]

nat negative obelisk incoming

[red briar]

green stake sucks

[sleek valley]

Obviously looking for a S&B would help, but what else could I improve on this build?

[fiery nymph]

i stickered this today

i love obelisk

🙏

[red briar]

just lost to not scoring enough because a certain someone doesn't know how to play anything but pairs and flushes

[cursive crater]

same i had THE obelisk run yesterday

[cursive crater]

prolly never doing it again though👍🙏

[cursive crater]

eternal chaos is... something

[robust lance]

Swashbuckler and vampire carry

[cosmic sun]

a free reroll every shop is great

and notice it's the only eternal

[cursive crater]

yeah but like eternal though

and thats only like 5 bucks a round

[cosmic sun]

How will you get C++ if you can't play with eternals

[cursive crater]

well you still won so im not saying anything

[terse vale]

you dont need all four slots to score

sorry five slots

you dont need all five slots to score

[red briar]

i genuinely cannot win early blinds on green stake

fml

[cursive crater]

i know

[red briar]

the scaling is too harsh to keep up

[median grove]

how do i get more seals / card effects?

[cursive crater]

spectral packs

[vale mist]

standard packs for seals, arcana packs for card effects, spectral for both

[red briar]

green stake SUUUCKS

for a player like me

cant even get past ante 3

pmo

i might be the worst player

[fringe nebula]

Dude!? Insane pull

[true thunder]

Can anyone who has knowledge on the topic explain to me why games such as balatro or cookie clicker can exceed the 32/64 bit integer limit?

[frank grove]

They just use different numbering systems, balatro uses double point precision binary64 iirc

[red briar]

yeah im just gonna quit atp

lost a completely good run to one stroke of bad luck

[frank grove]

what was the bad luck just bad draws?

[red briar]

namely the eye

on my pairs build

[true thunder]

thanks for the insight, that's really interesting where can I learn more?

[fringe nebula]

ante 5-6 eye are usually the hardest to deal with

[red briar]

i just

dont know if i wanna keep playing anymore

i'm not learning anything or getting any better

[stark charm]

Anyone play one of a kind?

[fringe nebula]

me

[red briar]

you mean high card?

[true thunder]

Hmmm I feel similarly, the runs were fun in the beginning, but i know so much about the game now. And now my runs are sucking a lot.

[fringe nebula]

this is the part where replaying a seed can help

[red briar]

my runs aren't even fun in the beginning anymore

[true thunder]

Possibly because my runs are filled with ridiculously stupid risky decisions

[gentle basalt]

i think ante 7 is the worst, because you are more likely to have invested too many planet levels to the point where other hands are not that viable

[red briar]

because i always die in the beginning on green stake anyways

[finite heron]

Negative five of a kind is meta because baron mime works well with it

[true thunder]

i meant beginning as in when I first got the game. Runs suck in the beginning now haha

[red briar]

i only got the game a few days ago

300+ runs and only 18 wins

[true thunder]

it's just "FLUSH FLUSH FLSUH AHHHHH I AM GONNA FLUSH IM A FLUSHER"

[frank grove]

yeah but with some glass cards you can clear that easier than an ante 5 eye

[sleek valley]

Lost this run on ante 8 big blind

[stark charm]

It is a bit hard to build score on gold stake but it is one of the chillest build out there

[red briar]

if i cant even beat green stake how am i gonna do anything else

[true thunder]

dawg

[fringe nebula]

can you show me your stats?

i'm curious

[sleek valley]

Just 6k short because I chose to chase the flush 5 and missed

[true thunder]

feel like you should be experimenting more
also yeah I want to see those stats too.

[gentle basalt]

how? you need four of a kind glass, and retriggers with that, or very strong xmult
its not that easy...

[livid scroll]

failure and misunderstandings are part of your life, no one is born with all competences acquired and no one is expected to be perfect at the very beginning. It's a matter of seeing all of your losses as a step ahead and never backing down. You will keep learning and you will surely improve, can confirm as i was similar to you. It actually only ends when you quit, not when you fail.

[fringe nebula]

how about joker stats

[sleek valley]

I was like that at first. Keep going, you'll get there.

[frank grove]

if you've invested a lot of planets then your base hand level mult will be more than in ante 5 usually, thats when glass is useful

[stoic isle]

because PEOPLE were just TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO

michael

[true thunder]

Ah a pair slopper... I see the issue here now

actually a lot of these jokers are kind of ass

[red briar]

pairs are the only way i can win on anything above white stake and even then i get handed pair builds

[fringe nebula]

hmmmmm

do you like

always force a pair build on every single game

[red briar]

im terrible at deckfixing for anything else

[true thunder]

do flushes

well try flushes

[red briar]

flushes haven't worked for me like ever

[true thunder]

are you serious right meow
they're so easy it pisses me off

[red briar]

it's not unless you get some good joker

[stoic isle]

always do flushes

because you don't ever buy jokers

[gentle basalt]

flushes are definitely one of the weakest hands

[livid scroll]

i think they meant straights

[stoic isle]

you literally need like 1 chip joker and 2 mult jokers

[true thunder]

A high enough flush can earn you 75 chips which is enough to one shot the first blind

[red briar]

yeah

then what?

[true thunder]

Flushes are the strongest early game hand

and flushes can easily beat ante 8

[frank grove]

flushes do win early game, but that only works for an ante or two

[gentle basalt]

when somebody says "play flushes" i dont mean in ante 1

[true thunder]

ehhhh a bit past ante two
then you gotta work on them if you want to stick to them

[red briar]

i always get pair builds for some reason or another

[gentle basalt]

what does "easily beat ante 8" mean?
is this on gold stake? if not, anything can beat white stake, how is that relevant

flushes scale the same as pairs, which is why they are not as good since you can easily play more pairs than flushes

[red briar]

game constantly feeds me pair related items

[true thunder]

means it's not egregious to build around them unlike straights or full houses.

[fringe nebula]

there are lots of pair related stuff yeah

[gentle basalt]

straights are way better than flushes dude

[candid gust]

second try for naneinf

[frank grove]

straights are worth playing around unlike flushes though

[true thunder]

I WISH!!!!

[livid scroll]

that's what i'm saying

a single saturn scales better than a jupiter

[gentle basalt]

1 saturn is same as 2 jupiters, wild

[livid scroll]

not really

[true thunder]

i hate flushes, but i love straights, even so without good deck fixing or ONE SPECIFIC JOKER straights are just...VERY hard to play around

[stoic isle]

straights should be even better

[red briar]

even on blue deck white stake i cant get a build up

[livid scroll]

it's 2 saturns = 3 jupiters

[frank grove]

yeah

twice the chips one more mult

[stoic isle]

because it discourages just making every card the same and going crazy flush five mode

[gentle basalt]

i think the chips is more important
its easier to get mult from other sources

[fringe nebula]

ok so the issue is joker synergy then

how many jokers have you unlocked again?

[true thunder]

i don't think that makes up for how uncommon they are to pull off

[red briar]

its already just giving me pair items 😭

[fringe nebula]

take fist

[frank grove]

well fist can be a high card run sometimes

[true thunder]

raised fist is not a pair item

[red briar]

kind of

[gentle basalt]

he was talking of square i presume

[fringe nebula]

fist will help you survive earlygame

[true thunder]

raised fist has potential, double the mult of the lowest ranking card in hand

[true thunder]

i thought he meant both tbh

also hey
square joker is more like a four of a kind joker :trolge:

[livid scroll]

it goes from situation to situation, but yeah

[red briar]

this run is gonna die

because i wont find anything

[gentle basalt]

congrats!

[fringe nebula]

did you take fist?

[gentle basalt]

true, you wont

[true thunder]

well thats not very polite

[rancid gull]

My man, you gotta believe

[gentle basalt]

i hate people who are unnecessarily self-demotivating

[rancid gull]

Don’t have the regressive mindset

[red briar]

it's happened 300 times beforer

[fringe nebula]

dying while getting ante 1 fist has to be the funniest thing i've heard

[true thunder]

you must hate beginner artists then 😂

[red briar]

ante 1 doesnt mean anything for fist? its not like it scales

[gentle basalt]

fist is a scaling joker

[frank grove]

somewhat

[fringe nebula]

fist is one of the best earlygame carry

[gentle basalt]

with more steel cards, it keeps getting better

[opal pivot]

Ik I'm horrible at playing, but a natural blueprint and brainstorm is a first for me.

[versed sable]

-# baseball carrying

[red briar]

doesnt help me to find stuff later on though

[true thunder]

idk this is pretty fine besides the baseball throwing

[frank grove]

it gives you money

[fringe nebula]

that is why you need money

[frank grove]

because you one shot the next few blinds

[gentle basalt]

how are you winning 💀 where is your score coming from

[red briar]

im consistently above interest cap

[rancid gull]

One shotting early blinds and earning money from hands is good though

In a sense fist is an Econ joker

[opal pivot]

Chips atp (i lost during that play)

[rancid gull]

If you play it right

[true thunder]

everytime i don't one shot the first blind I lose a bit of my soul

[rancid gull]

Real

[true thunder]

it gets on my nerves a lot, uneccesarily so

[opal pivot]

Got it from the tarot

[gentle basalt]

just play yellow deck

then it doesnt matter that much

[red briar]

dud

[fringe nebula]

i have some deep hatred towards misprint

[fringe nebula]

red card

[cursive crater]

whenever i score 290-300

[red briar]

red card is fine but still

[gentle basalt]

congrats on the win!

[fringe nebula]

buffoon pack and arcana

[livid scroll]

why is this here

[true thunder]

JUDGEMENT CAN GIVE ETERNALS??????

[stoic isle]

BUY MORE JOKERS

[red briar]

i guarantee it wont happen btw

[rancid gull]

You need some chips

[rancid gull]

You need chips now

[true thunder]

WHAT THE HELL
WORST FUCKING TAROT CARD EVER

[cursive crater]

no

[fringe nebula]

red card on lower stakes is a free win most of the time

[frank grove]

just wait until you open a spectral pack 😭

[fringe nebula]

it's just that good

[opal pivot]

I think idk (or i probably brought it i'm stupid

[versed sable]

no

[rancid gull]

Real

[gentle basalt]

it is hard to lose from that point on white stake anyways
skip every pack, even 100 chips + 80 mult, x3 wins on non violet vessel

[versed sable]

judgment and riffraff are no-sticker

[red briar]

where am i gonna get 100 chips from

[frank grove]

levels

[true thunder]

So how did this guy get an eternal baseball from a tarot?

[rancid gull]

Planet levels

[true thunder]

What tarot card did that?

[rancid gull]

Square

[red briar]

i wont because all my hands are mult

[rancid gull]

Runner

[fringe nebula]

by having money and rerolling until you find chips ofcourse

[frank grove]

stone cards work too

[rancid gull]

Even a blue joker would be vital rn

[cursive crater]

he lyin

[true thunder]

if they did sticker they would just be the root of all evil

[opal pivot]

I said i might have brought it thinking i had some uncommons 😭 🙏

[true thunder]

ah

i wouldn't do an eternal baseball ever tbh

[rancid gull]

Really?

Baseball is nice

[red briar]

and my flush is down to lvl 1 because of the arm

[livid scroll]

that one time i pulled an ecto, an ankh and a hex together

[cursive crater]

THE obelisk run oat???holy shit

nat negative btw

[true thunder]

ok in all fairness i haven't played much on those stakes but i can't really imagine ever doing it

[rancid gull]

Yeah this is why chips jokers are really good

[red briar]

my scoring is abysmal

[fringe nebula]

did someone said....... natural negative obelisk??

[opal pivot]

Off topic but bojack banner

[rancid gull]

Say that again???

[gentle basalt]

speculative eternal baseball is fine as long as you don't have rare/common eternals

[red briar]

it'd help if i COULD get any chip jokers

[rancid gull]

Chips jokers are common

[frank grove]

mostly

[livid scroll]

the ones not related to a specific hand aren't really

[true thunder]

if it's going to be eternal, then i sure hope it's going to be good for later
Baseball cannot hold out if it's eternal because I can't gurauntee i will use uncommons if more suitable commons or rares show up. the chance it just ends up being a wasted joker slot is too high for me

[cursive crater]

mine was ante 1😛

[rancid gull]

Dude!? Insane pull

[gentle basalt]

i think its too strong to pass up, and one wasted slot is not the worst either
you only need like 3 jokers to win

[fiery nymph]

its such a cool negative too

[rancid gull]

True

[fiery nymph]

and you can use it in a bunch of runs

sometimes a saver

thats why i hate supernova

[true thunder]

i suppose it's not as bad as a eternal bean

[red briar]

im about to lose gg

[livid scroll]

can confirm

[gentle basalt]

bean cant be eternal

[gentle basalt]

[true thunder]

thats the one that increases Xmult for every hand played thats not your most played hand, but resets when you play your most played hand, right?

[rancid gull]

Can bean be eternal and frozen forever please?

[fringe nebula]

when you're in a desperate situation, there are times where you have no choice but ruin your interest for survival

[gentle basalt]

yes

[true thunder]

i didn't know some jokers were excluded from being eternal, i guess that makes sense

[livid scroll]

ah yeah

forgot that

lol

[rancid gull]

Is this green stake?

[fringe nebula]

green stake

yep

[red briar]

its white stake actually

and im still gonna lose

[fringe nebula]

bruh

[true thunder]

oof, not particularly fond of that joker
i kind of hate it actually

[rancid gull]

You’ll grow to like it

[gentle basalt]

its my favourite, and one of the strongest

[rancid gull]

I think a lot of people start off hating it

I hated obelisk in my flush era

[fringe nebula]

i didn't

😎

[rancid gull]

Bro is the real hanging chad

[cursive crater]

everybody does at first

[candid gust]

THIS IS MY BEST RUN SO FAR OMG

[cursive crater]

but then you see the potential

[frank grove]

MY SAVIOUR

[livid scroll]

think i meant to send this instead

[cursive crater]

w deckfixing

[keen pilot]

If I got a gift card and Perkeo, do the copied consumables inherit the price of the original?

[candid gust]

w

[rancid gull]

Good question

[fringe nebula]

yes

[rancid gull]

I don’t know

[gentle basalt]

lol, nice
stencils are always funny

[rancid gull]

Goated

[true thunder]

well what if you use it to a point where all your hands have been played the same number of times?

[fiery nymph]

its good when you get better at the game

[cursive crater]

resets

[gentle basalt]

play 10 pairs, never play pairs again, play everything else
you wont have this issue in ante 8 runs

[rancid gull]

If you’re just trying to get to ante 8, you most likely won’t reach that

[fringe nebula]

copied consumables from perkolator do inherit the original price + 2

[true thunder]

Ah yeah

[rancid gull]

You gotta have a good pivot point though

Like good amounts of chips

Mult

And maybe another xmult

[cursive crater]

why cant we have nat negative consumablea though

[rancid gull]

Obelisk fucjs dude

[cursive crater]

i want to blockmaxx

[rancid gull]

It’s not going to get ya to ante 10

But it’ll win ya

[fiery nymph]

its an amazing gold stake joker

for sure

[livid scroll]

you can't expect to go to war if you don't have weapons with you

[gentle basalt]

why not? ante 10 is not that hard

[livid scroll]

write that one down

[rancid gull]

Well if it’s GS

I don’t play endlessmuch anymore

So tbf I don’t even try lol

[fiery nymph]

why even play endless gs 😭 🙏

[fringe nebula]

runs past ante 8 don't exist

[fiery nymph]

why play endless at all

[errant bolt]

why play

[keen pilot]

The safe way to play obelisk is to play like 15-20 of one type of hand and then start scaling.
(Meanwhile Doc winning an obelisk run with most played hand at 4)

[fiery nymph]

start a new run after winning

🙏

[cursive crater]

i only try endless if i get a good trib or perkeo setup going on which is never

[gentle basalt]

15-20 is really overkill imo

[true thunder]

i guess thinking of jokers less about their endless potential and more about their ante 8 potential is just better for my mental health

[random lark]

wonder what hand you're playing...

[gentle basalt]

there are only 2 builds with endless potential, so yes

[fringe nebula]

nice spot for obelisk is 11-12 i'd say

or 10

[true thunder]

i thought there was more

[frank grove]

its pairslop time!!!!! (i did like 20 hc to scale bus for a bit)

[pallid bone]

No reroll voucher and no voucher tags, i am going to go insane

[cursive crater]

baron baron, and also baron

[rancid gull]

There’s like technically 3 or 4?

[fringe nebula]

find a luchador

[gentle basalt]

i guess perkeo observatory also counts
but its mainly baron mime, idol retrigger

[true thunder]

naneinf without baron is it possible chat?

[fiery nymph]

yes

[pallid bone]

on it yeah

[rancid gull]

Yes

[gentle basalt]

you can even do it with stuntmen

[rancid gull]

Baseball card naninf is a thing

[keen pilot]

Stuntman naneinf

[rancid gull]

Doc did it

[fringe nebula]

stuntman? stencil ankh?

[fiery nymph]

balatro uni my GOAT

[cursive crater]

well technically, you can level up pluto like 4 quantillion times to reach nane inf instantly but nobodys doing that

[fringe nebula]

baseball?

[rancid gull]

Ankh and exton

[pallid bone]

perkeo observatory with idol for example

[rancid gull]

There’s the bean bug

[gentle basalt]

no, you cant

[rancid gull]

That’s a technicality

Well that needs baron mimethough

[gentle basalt]

at some point, it will not increase the points scored due to precision error

[frank grove]

yeah

[true thunder]

i saw that, and i guess i knew the answer to ,my own question but i was still curious ffor other answers

[keen pilot]

There is only one way without legendaries

[fiery nymph]

this is why baseball card is superior

[red briar]

i got so lucky

[frank grove]

i love petro on ante 8 its so funny

[fiery nymph]

everywhere

[robust lance]

It’s called BALLING

[true thunder]

oh also naneinf is one thing but what about ante 39? its technically different

[rancid gull]

Yea you get to do two finishers blinds

[gentle basalt]

well bean bug allows some more ways (because you have lots of ectos)

[rancid gull]

lol

[frank grove]

like doesnt this just look so scuffed LMAO

[red briar]

so incredibly lucky dude

[rancid gull]

You honestly don’t need fist much anymore

[fringe nebula]

ok what's the boss blind

[fiery nymph]

i saw this exact thing save someones run a couple minutes ago

[rancid gull]

You can replace that

[fiery nymph]

😭

[red briar]

didn't matter at all

useless win really

[fiery nymph]

wait it isnt green

[red briar]

i can just play any card and win

[fiery nymph]

noooo

[red briar]

no it's not green

[fiery nymph]

:(

[red briar]

because if it was green i would've died in ante 3 due to not scoring enough

[fiery nymph]

600k plant i think

[fringe nebula]

yeah you need to spend more money

in that case

[rancid gull]

If you’re trying to get better you gotta try

[red briar]

i was at like 20-30$ most of the game

[pallid bone]

We are so back

[fiery nymph]

i forced myself with gold stake

i was fighting battles

[fringe nebula]

if you're in a dangerous situation, spend more money

[red briar]

i cant even beat green stake let alone gold

i wasn't in a dangerous situation because it was white stake

[rancid gull]

Green stake isn’t that much more scoring tbh

[fringe nebula]

surviving is more important than keeping interst

[rancid gull]

It’s a jump yeah

But it’s not that bad

[frank grove]

didnt save mine unfortunately

[fiery nymph]

or the beloved vagabond

[fiery nymph]

nooooooooo

[red briar]

when it matters nothing usable is in the shop

it's all either hands i don't have levels in or econ jokers

[rancid gull]

That can’t be true all the time

[robust lance]

Hyuck hyuck hyuck

[red briar]

it's true alot of the time

[fringe nebula]

beloved vagabond indeed

[red briar]

for me only about 10% of runs are winnable

[fiery nymph]

i love it when vagabond hyperfixates my run

and makes my deck extremely fixed

[robust lance]

Spaceman carried so hard here he has a broken spine and can never walk again

[fringe nebula]

you shouldn't always force the same build every single time

make use of what the game gives you

[rancid gull]

Common vagabond W

True

Also

[deft anvil]

I got 2 souls before I took 5 of any spectral on my new acc

[rancid gull]

This chat taught me the power of 3pm

3oak

That’s a really good hand to use

[red briar]

the game just so happens to give me pair stuff

[deft anvil]

3oak is actually good?

[fringe nebula]

yes

3oak is just that good

[robust lance]

3 of a kind is literally the best hand in the game

[fiery nymph]

its like pair but better long term imo

you have to fix so little

[red briar]

how is 3oak even sustainable

its hard to find 3 of the same card

[fiery nymph]

fixing

fixing

[red briar]

in earlygame anyways

[robust lance]

It’s pair but one more

Think about it

[fiery nymph]

its like finding a full house but easier

[fringe nebula]

3oak is something you deckfix into

[frank grove]

the gamblemax pack

[heady narwhal]

don't play it in the early game??

[fringe nebula]

not something you do in earlygame

[fringe nebula]

8ball

[red briar]

most of my runs end in the earlygame so i need to get stuff up quickly or i will just lose

[heady narwhal]

i start playing 3oak after 1 strength and 1 death

or so

[fiery nymph]

one cryptid

[frank grove]

yeah i took 8 ball

[fiery nymph]

🔥

[heavy heron]

3 am is better than 3 pm because it’s time for krabby patties

[robust lance]

No 3 am is the time to record clickbait videos

[heavy heron]

3oak is amazing though yea

[heavy heron]

LOOLLL

[fiery nymph]

4oak is also good you just have to fix more

[heavy heron]

the great thing about 3oak is

[fiery nymph]

but the 4oak planet is built diff

[fringe nebula]

8ball on abandoned deck sounds cool

ngl

[deft anvil]

Ok but why deckfix to 3oak when 4oak or full house

[robust lance]

PLAYING BALATRO AT 3 AM CHALLENGE (GONE WRONG GONE SEXUAL 7 DEAD)

[heavy heron]

having 5 hand size to spare when digging for it so you don’t need hand size voucher, AND it scales 2 mult per therefore it gives steel and glass an actual purpose

and because sm hand size remaining

steel becomes

[heady narwhal]

• less deckfixing required
• discard more cards and hold more cards in hand

[heavy heron]

much more practical

[fringe nebula]

you don't usually have enough resources to deckfix into 4oak in 8 ante run

[deft anvil]

Oh damn

[heady narwhal]

• it's not full house

[fiery nymph]

i feel like it removes all the downsides of pairs

[frank grove]

full house blows

[robust lance]

Dr house would be mad

[robust lance]

But… we can settle down in a full house after a long adventure together

[pallid bone]

Another bad boss another luchador grind i am in pain

[heady narwhal]

tautological because pairs have no downsides

[red briar]

i never have any deck fixing options until i have tons of money and am on like ante 6

[fiery nymph]

die less to needle stuff

and wall

[heavy heron]

the remaining hand size is the biggest seller for 3oak; it gives you so much space for blue seals, steel

and gold

[fiery nymph]

like the bosses is what im talking about

[heady narwhal]

are you taking every booster pack once you're above interest?

[heavy heron]

for smth that scales 2 mult per planet, these are amazing perks that come with it

[red briar]

yes

[fiery nymph]

even though pairs dont get affected much

[heady narwhal]

and you just don't see any hanged men, deaths, strengths, etc etc?

[heavy heron]

like if you have a flush and dig for blue seal, you can only dig 3 cards at a time for it

vs 3 oak you can still dig 5

[fringe nebula]

oh right

3oak is blue seal friendly

i forgot about that

[fiery nymph]

say that to my 8 card deck

[fringe nebula]

how could i

[heavy heron]

that’s a small deck

my deck is way bigger

[balmy ocean]

I genuinely can’t believe I’m saying this but I have to sell the legendary

[heavy heron]

yup

sell it

[red briar]

not on this run

[heady narwhal]

i think if pairs get nerfed in 1.1, 3oak meta is pretty likely

[red briar]

because i have such little everything

[balmy ocean]

I mean at least someone’s on board with the idea

[fringe nebula]

or high card meta lol

[fiery nymph]

either that or hard card

bro what did i type

hard card??

😭

[heady narwhal]

hard card

[heavy heron]

hard card😳

tower moment

[fiery nymph]

im gonna call it 1oak now

[frank grove]

ooak

[heavy heron]

oak wood

[fiery nymph]

wee joker is honestly a good pick for any pairslop run

[heady narwhal]

i mean i would assume any changes that nerf pairs would also nerf highcard

[heady narwhal]

barring +5 chips +0.3 mult mercury or something

[fiery nymph]

you hardly have to fix to wee

to get sufficient value

[lime swan]

if you insist

[wintry ice]

so the names we have for high card are

hard card

and oak

[heady narwhal]

you see half your deck each round so wee is 16 chips per round

same as square and runner and castle

[light brook]

shop of absolute beauty and perfection

(i love consty so i would gen die for ts)

[twin lantern]

[red briar]

gg game lost

3oak is fraud territory

[fringe nebula]

seed?

[fiery nymph]

are yu forcing the 3oak

dont force a hand

[red briar]

what else am i meant to do

magically let it come to me?

or play pairslop

[fiery nymph]

no you pick the hand the game offers you at the start

[red briar]

2RJXAPQX

[fiery nymph]

at least thats how i do runs

[red briar]

i had 2 3oak cards

but couldnt get 3oak hands

[fringe nebula]

blue deck what stake

[red briar]

white stake

because i cant play anything else

[terse imp]

actually happened to me btw

[red briar]

or i lose ante 2

[narrow scroll]

it's right there...

but i musn't!

[fringe nebula]

ok???

[red briar]

how am i meant to maintain 3oak

and deckfix

whilst skipping enough packs to make red card good

im just not good enough to get that much econ

[fiery nymph]

😭

[fair sapphire]

js don’t use red card bruh

[fiery nymph]

no i think the answer is dont use 3oak

[fringe nebula]

ok this seed is NOT a 3oak seed

this is a pairslop seed

[red briar]

i don't want to play pairslop anymore

it's boring and the same build every time

and it doesn't do anything for me

score is mid too

[pallid bone]

all seeds are pairslop on gold stake tbh

[fiery nymph]

do flush slop on early stakes

!!!

[red briar]

every time someone asks for my seed

its just "let me show u how much better at the game i am than u"

[fair sapphire]

do NOT give me your seed

pause

[red briar]

i wouldnt i dont know you like that

[fresh jasper]

I play straights and flushes more than pairs.

[light brook]

father jimbo getting cracked tn

[red briar]

i think the issue is

[pallid bone]

had to sell DNA because no reroll voucher still, i am in turbo pain

[red briar]

i get stuck on one hand type too much

[fiery nymph]

yes i would take each seed with an open mind

[red briar]

even mid-seed though

[fiery nymph]

in low stakes you have that type of freedome

[red briar]

can't pivot properly yet

unless its very specific circumstances

[hidden lance]

YOOOOO

[pallid bone]

RIP

[terse imp]

at least you can score

[red briar]

im just not good enough to win white stake i guess

[pallid bone]

true

i give you that

[rocky helm]

DNA

[fresh jasper]

Who here had beat gold stake on red deck?

[pallid bone]

not with that boss

[terse imp]

the dna did not trigger and i lostt

[rocky helm]

Oh

[atomic cargo]

It’s ok

You will get better

Once you figure it out everything below black stake is free

[digital pewter]

oh you love to see it

[red briar]

how much time would it take

[fringe nebula]

no, you just made the wrong decision

[red briar]

because clearly playing games isn't doing it for me

[fringe nebula]

and that's it

[atomic cargo]

Uhhhh

[digital pewter]

X9.75 hologram with a level 37 pair hand

[atomic cargo]

How long have you played

[red briar]

liiike

a week i think

about 350 games

19 wins

[atomic cargo]

Wait

U have 19 wins

So you have won

[red briar]

all of them were either lucky or pairslop

[atomic cargo]

Oh

To be consistent you have to care about econ

[red briar]

i only win 6% of games i play statistically

probably less

[digital pewter]

i mean, "pairslop" is still just decent strategizing

[atomic cargo]

And take every photograph and hanging Chad

[red briar]

not really

[atomic cargo]

No skill but it works

[fringe nebula]

when the game gives you a clear win condition, it's better to take them instead of forcing to not do pairslop build

[red briar]

playing pairs is just finding mult then levelling pairs alot

until you outscore everything

[digital pewter]

and that's a winning strategy a decent amount of the time, yeah

[red briar]

it doesn't take any amount of effort to pull off though

and it's not consistent

[digital pewter]

effort is dubious for sure, but i wouldn't say it's not consistent

[fringe nebula]

it is consistent yeah

the moment you get early scaling +mult you just know what to do

[digital pewter]

most of the game is still econ management though, it's not like you win just by going pairs

[fresh jasper]

Yeah, you can go straights and without joker management, you're still doomed.

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstonr

[digital pewter]

aghhhhhh

nearly there

[fresh jasper]

I'd go checkered deck, play flush and get your first gold stake there. that's basically what I did to learn the game.

[serene forge]

uhh

thats literally why pairs are best

they're the most consistent

and the bosses that are hard for pair runs are generally hard for everyone

[abstract venture]

guys should I sell the extra mime to try and trigger crimson bean mire

[fresh jasper]

What's with the super blunder?

[calm glacier]

is square joker steam trading card ever getting fixed 🥀

[abstract venture]

See I'm probably gonna get a disable on it anyways but I really don't want to risk it

ts stressing me out so much

[fiery nymph]

this is a truth nuke

[abstract venture]

and the +4 hand size too would probably be insanely beneficial

And make up for

what the mime loss

[red briar]

maybe i just wont play balatro for a while

it just makes me feel terrible for losing every time i play

losing 50 times then getting a lucky run that ends in an unsatisfying win just doesn't do it for me

[rancid gull]

Okay it just sounds like you’re not enjoying the game man

[abstract venture]

js study up on win strats

[rancid gull]

Take a break

[red briar]

if i don't enjoy the game right now

[rancid gull]

If even when you win you’re not happy

[red briar]

how am i ever gonna enjoy it in the future

[fiery nymph]

winning games

[serene forge]

yeah

[red briar]

my wins are incredibly luck reliant and not satisfying

[serene forge]

I played a flush run of all things today

[opal delta]

I hate bloodstone

[fiery nymph]

same!!

[serene forge]

me too!!!!

[red briar]

i don't even feel like i'm winning the game, just getting it handed to me

[ancient gyro]

clearly there's something you learn for every loss accumulated

[abstract venture]

I got the bean exploit and then it disabled my Baron on the final hand

[fiery nymph]

i mean ur gonna give me aj first thing ofc im stickering it

[red briar]

not really

i couldn't tell you a single thing i've learned from losing

[ancient gyro]

wh

what could you have done better

[rancid gull]

I mean, you shouldn’t view your wins as luck reliant, the jokers you got were good

That one hologram and dna one

Yeah you can say it’s a little luck

But you had the Econ to do that

[red briar]

all jokers from base shops

[vernal breach]

Gotta keep digging to find the diamonds

[rancid gull]

You had the levels to do that

[red briar]

all the jokers were base shops

my rerolls didnt yield anything good

[rancid gull]

I mean we can say every single run anyone has ever won is “luck reliant”

In a sense

[red briar]

no because theirs relied on skill

[ancient gyro]

you could consider lessons or walkthroughs from certain balatubers

[red briar]

i got great jokers early on and rode it through to ante 8

that isn't skill at all

[red briar]

it's hard to sit through a 2 hour lesson from balatro university dude

[ancient gyro]

his videos aren't that long

[fringe nebula]

sounds like you'd enjoy doing obelisk with 6 max

[rancid gull]

Watch a roffle video

[ancient gyro]

gasp

[rancid gull]

He narrates what he does

[ancient gyro]

rofl isn't much better

[fiery nymph]

roffle never helped me

[ancient gyro]

in terms of derivative

[red briar]

i've watched alot of roffle videos

[frank grove]

roffle heavy videos are somewhat short

[marble cliff]

If my sole goal is improvement, what would be the best deck to do that with?

[red briar]

still havent learned anything

[frank grove]

and thats most of the part that matters

[ancient gyro]

makes sense

[fiery nymph]

roffle wont teach me how to shoot the moon

[fringe nebula]

replay the seed you've failed on and try to understand what you could've done better?

[ancient gyro]

rofls derivative isn't about teaching anyways

[vernal breach]

Lets be honest some runs have such an obscure specific winning strategy most ppl wouldnt find

[brisk bluff]

black

[serene forge]

onyx agate is cool

[fringe nebula]

not on white stake for sure

[rancid gull]

True, but I can’t say it hasn’t helped me just a little

[ancient gyro]

depends what deck you like to play

[red briar]

it's just impossible to learn unless you go through the pain of grinding gold stake

[serene forge]

maybe yellow

[rancid gull]

Anecdotally roffle helped me get more into it

[red briar]

or playing literally thousands of runs

[fringe nebula]

it is possible

[fiery nymph]

the better bloodstone

[rancid gull]

Which motivated me to watch more stuff in the community

[red briar]

for a couple dozen wins

[rancid gull]

Balatro university is just a solid watch

[marble cliff]

Could you explain why

[ancient gyro]

he taught me how quickly he died ignoring 3 saturns and shortcut in a2 and later died playing flushes on stream

[red briar]

the videos are too long

[fringe nebula]

again, replaying a seed you failed to clear is a good way to learn

[red briar]

been there done that

[vernal breach]

If balatro university put subway surfers at the bottom I would watch him

[rancid gull]

LOL

[serene forge]

should I post this onto reddit and watch everyone fume at me picking eternal matador

[red briar]

didn't do much except prolong my death for maybe 2-3 rounds

[frank grove]

yes

[rancid gull]

I mean, that’s kind of the whole game no?

Getting game pieces to prolong you death?

[fiery nymph]

yeah

[red briar]

nothing substantial

maybe balatro isnt the game for me ig

[brisk bluff]

Its the hardest deck

[fiery nymph]

unless ur running some throwback BULLSHIT

[ancient gyro]

they're usually shorter than the "alternative"

also x2 speed exists outside of balatro

[rancid gull]

I mean, I think it’s the mindset you have man

You keep going into every run predetermining your own fate

[fringe nebula]

yep, it's the mindset for sure

[ancient gyro]

the mindset of I don't wanna put in the work of improving

[fresh jasper]

This game beats me like a 1950's wife but I still love it.

[marble cliff]

ok but why is that good for learning? How am I supposed to play this? What am I supposed to be taking out of it?

[ancient gyro]

so I'll just keep talking about getting stuck

[serene forge]

I don't think black deck will help you get better unless your fundamentals are rock solid

[red briar]

i have done hundreds of runs over the past couple of days

with college and work

[fiery nymph]

new mindset should be forcing you to play black deck until you gold stake it

[red briar]

and only a handful of wins

[brisk bluff]

Playing at the hardest will force you to play better

[random lark]

green deck for learning scoring i guess, red/blue for learning econ management

[ancient gyro]

followed with a statement of not learning anything for every loss

[brisk bluff]

So when u move onto the other decks theyre super easy

[rancid gull]

Yeah I think that’d make any new player quit lol

[ancient gyro]

and refusing critical advice

[serene forge]

it's not that simple

[red briar]

i guess bro

[serene forge]

you'll just keep losing and not really understanding why

[serene forge]

and then eventually luck into a win

[random lark]

this is the equivalent of playing master mode terraria on your first playthrough

[ancient gyro]

you're given advice while not taking it, it's definitely a mental roadblock that's forced

[serene forge]

yeah

[rancid gull]

That’s why a growth mindset is important. I made the losses I suffered “fun” by using it as a way to fuel my improvement

[marble cliff]

I definitely understand the basics, I know what the cards do, I know how to play my hands optimally like 70% of the time, econ management and joker building is what I think I need improvement on. Learning what cards to buy and when, what hands I should focus on building, that type of stuff.

[rancid gull]

Tbf I do like sucking at things

[marble cliff]

I have 0 issue with losing, I just want to improve

[rancid gull]

Because getting “good” is worth it

[ancient gyro]

tbf that was my first hand experience

[red briar]

I don't like losing 1000 times just to have one tiny win

[serene forge]

I played expert my first time

it was brutal at times but honestly not terrible

[ancient gyro]

you can stick to a deck you like and start from there, excitement makes the neurons go

[fringe nebula]

have you ever tried to do pivot btw?

you have been playing this hand, and then when you find that one joker, you're starting to pivot towards another hand

[frank grove]

yeah playing a deck you dont like wont help you improve imo

[ancient gyro]

how do you discard/play hands

[marble cliff]

I already have 90 hours in Balatro and like, 60% of that has just been checkered deck

[red briar]

normally those things come on ante 5-6 where it's too late to pivot

[rancid gull]

I legit think you should just go only ghost

[red briar]

i already have one hand very much levelled

[rancid gull]

And learn the game

[serene forge]

I was basically doing stuff blind because my friend was useless and told me that you can get crystal serpent from gold crates

[rancid gull]

Or another deck you like

Yellow

[fringe nebula]

i meant ante 2-3

or 4

[opal delta]

once a terraria player tries expert mode its hard to go back to classic

[fresh jasper]

Yellow is nice. that extra money is really useful.

[red briar]

i don't have enough econ to pivot then

[ancient gyro]

idk about ghost as a core learning benefit but if you prefer to have fun then why not

[serene forge]

I only play master, even expert is just way too easy to me now

[fringe nebula]

having $10 at ante 2 is fine

[serene forge]

I think blue/yellow is best for beginners

[ancient gyro]

i play infernum

[fringe nebula]

you don't have to save money all the time

[rancid gull]

I say that because hexxing a rtb is a amazing first joker

[ancient gyro]

excluding dog

[rancid gull]

Hexxing a lot of things is very useful

[serene forge]

the most "plain" decks that do have good advantages

[red briar]

i dont have interest cap at ante 2 anyways

[rancid gull]

That can kickstart your scoring

And make “bad” joker takes more viable at the beginning

[ancient gyro]

seeking specific spectrals can stunt or affect your general learning experience if someone wants you to pick out a learning deck for them

[fresh jasper]

Save money when you can save it. If the run is floundering, spend to survive.

[red briar]

i've been doing this

[rancid gull]

I guess yeah

[red briar]

even after taking all the advice into account i still suck balls at the game

[rancid gull]

Then either blue or yellow

[serene forge]

when you have scaling jokers do you sandbag to scale them

[rancid gull]

You gotta stop saying bad things about yoself

[red briar]

it's true, no?

[rancid gull]

It’s true if you believe it so

[red briar]

winrate of less than 5% making bad choices and losing over and over

[rancid gull]

Don’t believe that you are only destined to suck

[ancient gyro]

i don't pity dump onto other ppl irl, that's not a good characteristic to have over self improvement

[red briar]

i went into this trying to get better

and i wanted to get better but it just isn't happening

i've only seen very minor improvement since i started playing

the rest was just getting lucky

[ancient gyro]

so i just make time for learning whether that can be first hand or second hand with like yt videos for like how to install a new toilet bowl or whatever

[rancid gull]

I don’t think it was really being Lucky dude

[red briar]

it was?

if you look at any of my previous runs

[rancid gull]

You see a good joker in the shop, you take it

[red briar]

i got insanely good luck for those 19 wins to happen

[rancid gull]

That’s literally what everyone does

That is not luck

[red briar]

it's lucky for that joker to show up to begin with

i normally dont have econ to do many rerolls so i have to get lucky or i just won't get the jokers i need to win

[rancid gull]

That’s why the first antes are easy enough to jumpstart your Econ

[frank grove]

But like even fairly mid jokers to new players can win and clear easily

[rancid gull]

Also don’t undervalue an investment tag

Investment tag is an amazing skip early

If you can win ofc

[red briar]

on the runs i do happen to get good econ i don't get anything worth taking in the shop

[fresh jasper]

Replay a seed and you'll see this game is rarely luck. You're given options on how to proceed.

[opaque yew]

scale of the dragon

[rancid gull]

You gotta take what you can get

[digital pewter]

GRAHHHH

i got bloodstoned

[rancid gull]

Everything can have its use

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[red briar]

if all i get are cards completely unrelated to the cards i already have then obviously i'm not going to take it

[rancid gull]

That’s how you get better

You adapt to the cards you see

[ancient gyro]

what's your joker stats looking like, curious question

[rancid gull]

Rather than the ones you expect

[serene forge]

oh no

[red briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1483569150885630075/image.png?ex=69bb10f0&is=69b9bf70&hm=83d8e4217ab64b7d0b9f887bdf408015efab13d964fe9ea456e8ffd81522a6fa&

[fresh jasper]

I have bashed my head on red card gold streak for about 50 games. I've made it to the final boss four times and lost. My skill just isn't there yet.

[ancient gyro]

like for example, all of these jokers (ignore stm) have unconditional scoring so it's not reliant on specific draws

[ancient gyro]

not too bad

[red briar]

it's all pairslop really

[ancient gyro]

yeah

that's a good sign

[red briar]

those are like the only wins i can get

is it???

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[fresh jasper]

Supernova is a good card, but it requires sticking to a certain type of play to be maximized.

[red briar]

i think it's the sign of someone who's restarted many runs to eventually get good cards to play pairs with

[serene forge]

nah

most jokers are pair jokers

[fallow shadow]

what does bloodstone do

[marble cliff]

well my stats look quite a bit different.

[ancient gyro]

idk I haven't unlocked it yet 🥀

[red briar]

i never get good enough rolls to play photochad

[serene forge]

1 in 9.5 chance of 0.44x mult per scored heart

[ancient gyro]

that's probably for the better

[fallow shadow]

that sounds stupid why would that be in the game

[ancient gyro]

ignore photoslop

[red briar]

that's the problem

[light brook]

1 in 2 chance of 1.5 mult per scored heart

feels like a 1 in 8

[red briar]

by the time i have a decent card in my lineup it's too late and score has outscaled me

[serene forge]

for the same reason idol and blowman exist

[fallow shadow]

that sounds stupid why would that be in the game

[marble cliff]

almost all of my playtime is checkered so it's usually very easy to force an arrowhead + photochad build

[ancient gyro]

who paid you to say this

[light brook]

amazing question

[fallow shadow]

showman ahahahaha i forgot about showman ahahahahahaha

[light brook]

big heart

[fresh jasper]

Checkered is where I got my first gold stake.

[serene forge]

1.5 mult is pretty terrible, even jimbo gives 4 mult

[light brook]

they pay me more than big chip

[serene forge]

god bloodstone sucks

[light brook]

exactly that’s why hearts are the worst suit

diamonds fo lyfe

[narrow drift]

Photochad

[stoic isle]

i LOVE arrowhead!!!

[atomic trout]

Diamonds are good with Rough Gem

[red briar]

so how do i win then

[light brook]

i’m glad we all agree grimbo is the worst joker in the game right guys 😀

[serene forge]

jesus alt

[light brook]

ts is rage bait btw it’s in my top ten

[ancient gyro]

i advice watching through a random gs video from drspectred

[narrow drift]

I like green joker

[red briar]

how would gold stake help me if i can't utilise eternal jokers and the like

[fringe nebula]

ok so for ante 1, i usually try to find early +mult to one shot the blinds

[light brook]

rtb grimbo and supernova when it comes to being goated +mult

[red briar]

i already do this

[ancient gyro]

wdym can't utilize eternals?

[light brook]

ewww bad take

[red briar]

there are countless strategies with eternal jokers

that are op

[ancient gyro]

that's not required

[hidden lance]

well it was a pretty good start but i missed the 2 most important vouchers and no ecto

[ancient gyro]

you shouldn't go into a run seeking something specific

[narrow drift]

Madness madness madness madness madness madness madness madness madness

[red briar]

i don't get what everyone's obsession is with teaching new players to play exclusively gold stake

when they don't have gold stake unlocked and most of the stuff doesn't carry over to earlier stakes anyways

[ancient gyro]

it's not gs specifically, it's just the decision making that happens to be played on gs

[serene forge]

what

[fringe nebula]

they do

[light brook]

teach the pairslop young 😔

[gentle basalt]

what? the basic principles carry over

[red briar]

right

[gentle basalt]

its just easier to do on white stake

[red briar]

i'll go watch a 2 hour video and come back having learned very little

i guess

[narrow drift]

Pairs is actually goated

[gentle basalt]

doc is how I learned

[pallid bone]

white stake and gold stake are almost two different games

[ancient gyro]

like whats the point of giving white stake advice if they're going to move into harder difficulties

[gentle basalt]

it is upto you what you want to do, but it is very effective

[light brook]

i never said it’s bad i just don’t like playing them because i don’t find pairspam fun

[narrow drift]

Roffle is how I unlearned

[red briar]

should i start here or what

[rancid gull]

Sure

[woven spire]

looks good

[pallid bone]

BU my GOAT

[red briar]

lemme sit through this 1 hour

[fringe nebula]

actually

https://youtu.be/ZC0QyPOSMFc

how about starting from here