🕹・game-discussion

[rancid gull]

In a sense

[molten thicket]

up to a certain point

but yeah

[cloud sinew]

sure you can have easier runs, but you'll never really have a run where luck decided your fate more than your actions.

[ebon condor]

it would be if removing the luck didnt end up making every game boring asf

[red briar]

it's over

[rancid gull]

Exactly!!!

You playing pairs or three of a kind

Oh wait

This boss

[viral raft]

mmmmm mostly

[rancid gull]

Yeah thiss boss ain’t good

[gentle basalt]

There are definitely runs like that
Unbeatable ante 1s (blind)

[cloud sinew]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[brittle smelt]

What can I do? I think this is my max but I only have one ante left

[viral raft]

mods

<@&1133519078540185692>

[frozen tendon]

because why ride the bus when i can do the same with supernova, not restrict my deck, get a couple extra chips, and i mean i guess not risk mult resetting but like you're kinda dumb if you crash the bus. i guess green joker technically is worse but it would probably depend on your strength while scaling it. at the end of the day all three are realistically about equal, i would just rather have green and supernova over bus. you're acting like i'm just saying scaling jokers are bad, all i did was say rtb is my least favorite of the bunch 😭 does my reasoning not make any sense to you? curious on your thoughts about them

[cosmic sun]

fast ahhh wpm

[molten thicket]

did you try looking in the shop for anything to survive this

[cloud sinew]

find me a single seed that is unbeatable a1 then

[frozen tendon]

i was bouta get paid

[rancid gull]

There’s pros and cons to each scaling joker

[red briar]

yes, it was just stuff for other hands

[rancid gull]

Supernova is countered by eye

Ride the bus is a flat mult

That works for any hand

[frank grove]

Yeah supernova having a hard counter boss sucks

[red briar]

more of this bogus

[frozen tendon]

that is a good point actually

[red briar]

i can tell there is nothing in that buffoon pack either

[rancid gull]

Supernova is amazing

[gentle basalt]

Supernova cons : you cant use throwaway hands to scale since they score too much when you have planets

You are overly dependent on one type of hand, and will die to the eye and lose money to the ox

[molten thicket]

hmm

[ebon condor]

counterpoint: bootstraps and fortune teller

[rancid gull]

But it does have its countered

Everyone fears the plant

But with ride the bus

[gentle basalt]

You cant use the mult elsewhere in case you need to pivot

[rancid gull]

Plant doesn’t do shit

[fervent wolf]

Full skip gold stake random seed

[molten thicket]

yeahhh i think youre kinda cooked

[fervent wolf]

Who fears the plant

What

[rancid gull]

I see a lot of people new here who fear the plant

[cosmic sun]

ngl how many times have you ignored a bus when you had no scalers

[gentle basalt]

Like an obelisk is free win with any other mult scaler

[rancid gull]

Sorry I shouldn’t generalize and say everyone

I was just saying

[viral raft]

if high stakes had the +1 discard would be just a better game, instead of just force players play just pairs, 3oak or even two pairs

[cloud sinew]

you can't do the same with supernova though.

• supernova scales slower as it's for a specific poker hand, so if you play different hands your scaling gets spread out.
• supernova is perishable 30% of the time
• supernova is hard countered by Eye. you can't just play a different hand and keep the mult youve been scaling, as the scaling is specific to each poker hand
• "risk resetting" is entirely a skill issue. ive had it reset 6 times in 1000 hours, and all but 2 were skill issues and the 2 that werent were on ante 1

[red briar]

and the run is already over

nothing good in the shop to save me

[molten thicket]

plant is a very minor inconvenience for the "meta" playstyle

[ebon condor]

fearing the plant is more of a playing for fun kinda mindset

[red briar]

time to reset

[ebon condor]

rather than a gs mindset

[hasty harness]

yeah gs is mainly just pair or hc sa

[cosmic sun]

I will never trust ppl who say they play for fun

[plain herald]

this is gonna be an interesting run

[hasty harness]

*spam

[cosmic sun]

biggest red flag in gaming discourse

[rancid gull]

Dude don’t give up so easily

[hasty harness]

commence pair spam

[rancid gull]

What ante are you even on

[rose trout]

Man I died to the LAST BLIND of blue stake AGAIN

[ebon condor]

what the fuck kinda opinion is that

[molten thicket]

why are we having this argument though if you see a scaler you take it

[plain herald]

is that the best one to go for

[molten thicket]

theyre all good

[fervent wolf]

I play for fun after I accomplish everything

[red briar]

ante 1 pants i think we're saved

[cloud sinew]

you are the worst kind of person /hyperbole

[ebon condor]

like actually what the hell are you talking abt 😭

[frank grove]

video games are entertainment at the end of the day people do play for fun ??

[red briar]

i might actually win a white stake red deck run

[cloud sinew]

let people argue if it's civil

[hasty harness]

yea

[cosmic sun]

I'm telling you real funmaxxers don't need to say that

[maiden hollow]

I play Balatro

[cloud sinew]

"stop fighting"

[viral raft]

omg is Blue Baby

[rancid gull]

I play Balatro for the comp

[cosmic sun]

They're calling it the most performative for fun playing of all time

[rancid gull]

I use the misprint tech

[maiden hollow]

Yes : D

[viral raft]

how ar u going

[frozen tendon]

that is fair, didn't think about the eye. i don't think scaling is different from the other jokers though since most of the time you're playing pairs so it would be pretty unlikely to not find pairs.

[hasty harness]

with a voucher skip btw and 4 colas

no blank or directors cut

in ante 18

[red briar]

it's all i got :C

[hasty harness]

:/

[frank grove]

yes but you cant pivot away from pairs even if you wanted to

[rancid gull]

Ride the bus doesn’t lock you into just only playing pairs

That’s the advantage of it

[fervent wolf]

I play to do stuff like this

[frozen tendon]

can't use throwaway hands with bus either tbf as well but i understand wym

[cloud sinew]

yes you can

[rancid gull]

Grimbo you can’t discard, but you can play any hand

[cosmic sun]

I think people just use this statement to shit on others ngl

"I play for fun"

[gentle basalt]

What? You can...like you throw in a high card which scores much lesser

But it scales up bus

[maiden hollow]

Playing Balatro and isaac because I’m blu beibi

[rancid gull]

Ride the bus you can discard, but you have to be careful what hand you play a little bit

[cosmic sun]

Nah nah I see through it

[cloud sinew]

you can play faces, you just cant score them. you can play a pair of any non face rank + up to 3 different faces
you can also play aces with up to 3 unique faces

[icy fable]

Swashbuckler runs are soo fun man

[rancid gull]

And supernova is retroactive

[brazen jolt]

should i brainstorm hanging chad or photograph?

[rancid gull]

And you can spam one hand gracefully

[lunar fjord]

photo

[frank notch]

greedy joker

[rancid gull]

Each have their strengths and weaknesses

[icy fable]

Photo

[night turret]

Ghost deck blue stake done!

[cloud sinew]

one on each

[gentle basalt]

One copy photo, one copy chad

[cloud sinew]

they each have advantages and weaknesses, but there is a general heirarchy still.

[cosmic sun]

Oh so if they play for fun then everyone else plays for pain and suffering

type shi

[viral raft]

that's cool me too and also Mewgenics

[rancid gull]

How would you rate the scalers? All the scalers? Including scaling chips

[frozen tendon]

that's true good point

[brazen jolt]

this seemed to be the right move, thx!!!

[gentle basalt]

What do you think of grimbo vs supernova? I think its closer but still fairly easily, grimbo

[rancid gull]

Not including planet cards

Just joker scaling

[cosmic sun]

Grimbo because of Obelisk and better matchups

[cloud sinew]

grimbo is better because it's nowhere near as vulnerable to Eye, can't be perishable, and scales faster

[maiden hollow]

I Don’t have a pc but in april I’m going to bought a laptop : )

[red briar]

how do i even deckfix for spare trousersx

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to

[frank grove]

you dont need to

[rancid gull]

Two pairs are easy to make

And it’s a fast scaler

[red briar]

but i almost died because i didn't have two pairs

[maiden hollow]

And the first step is play isaac

[frank grove]

you dont always need to play two pair

[maiden hollow]

[frank grove]

play two pair to scale it, play something else to score usually

[rotund igloo]

Honestly getting the discard voucher is probably enough for two pairs

[viral raft]

that's nice, mewgenics is really fun, weird asf but really well done

[frank notch]

joker and son

[cloud sinew]

trousers is runner but for mult, it scales from a specific hand but it doesnt require that hand for it to contribute to scoring

[frozen tendon]

yes, i know that. they can't be scored but can be played. i was just thinking throwaway hands for seals but most of the time you're saving your discards during throwaway hands so what i said actually didn't make sense

[red briar]

i don't have anything else to score with

[rotund igloo]

Sounds like you need blue joker

or some other chips joker

[viral raft]

truthnuke, literally pants is one of the few reason twopairs is played

[rancid gull]

It also never goes away, there’s no condition that removes the mult ever

[gentle basalt]

For chip jokers, wee > castle > square > runner > bull

Square and runner are close imo

[frank grove]

wheres castle

[hasty harness]

castle 💀

[red briar]

my luck won't allow it

[gentle basalt]

Oops

[viral raft]

square is easier to make it online imo

[worthy tinsel]

Or full house if life gave you Earths only

[frank grove]

castle is easily better than square most of the time yeah

good

[cloud sinew]

i disagree

[hasty harness]

i heavily disagree

[cosmic sun]

ehhh worse than square

[viral raft]

imo no

Castle is just OK

[cosmic sun]

maybe somewhere above bull perchance

[frank grove]

okay ... in most of my runs castle gets to like 350

[gentle basalt]

Yeah ofcourse
You can get +15-24 easily per round

[red briar]

i can't come across any of those cards

[viral raft]

i'd rather one hundred times Square or runner

[red briar]

just fodder like more +mult

[cosmic sun]

Not saying Castle is something terrible you should never pick up btw

[maiden hollow]

You are a winner bro

[rotund igloo]

Square and runner are better. Caslte is not bad it's just not as good as those two

[versed sable]

in plasma white stake i agree
in gold stake i would assume square since there's a lot of good "no discarding" jokers

[cosmic sun]

if you need chips then you need chips don't be foolish guys

[gentle basalt]

How are you not able to discard at least 5 of one suit....

[viral raft]

you too blue baby :D

[maiden hollow]

You speak spanish?

[gentle basalt]

And its scaling scaling chips too just like wee (rate of scaling increases with time)

[frank grove]

Yeah and you can deck fix for castle so it can hit something you have a lot of more often

[viral raft]

yes

[red briar]

ante 5 and still no xmult

[hasty harness]

id rather have square because you have less discards then hands most the time

[red briar]

walking into another inevitable loss i guess

[hasty harness]

and its easier to scale early

[worthy tinsel]

El papu la grasa equisde

[cosmic sun]

Worse than Square but overhated

[cloud sinew]

english please

[cosmic sun]

Castle moment

[frank grove]

square is easy to scale constantly the whole run i guess

[gentle basalt]

Why are you acting like one discard is the same to a castle as a hand is to a square

A discard can be worth upto 15, and usually at least 9

[worthy tinsel]

dw

[gentle basalt]

Square hands are always 4

[rancid gull]

Man, look. Getting down on yourself will not help you win

It’s good to have humility

But you need to have some love for yourself

[hasty harness]

you might not be able to use all your discards to scale castle if you need to find your best hand or you might just draw bad

i prefer squares consistency

🤷‍♀️

[cloud sinew]

castle tends to limit your hand digging in favour of keeping more of a suit in hand to maximise your scaling per discard

[hasty harness]

yea

[frank grove]

castle does have problems

[red briar]

it's every run i lose

[hasty harness]

bean bug run i just need vouchers now

[red briar]

i cant win a run

[hasty harness]

i got everything else pretty much

[rancid gull]

How long have you been playin my man

[gentle basalt]

How many of one suit do you keep?
4?
I would rather discard the 4
3? Well you are still playing 5 cards

[gentle basalt]

Also note that square also slightly limits how much you see of your deck

[red briar]

i started playing months ago

really

[wintry ice]

you're realistically never whiffing your suits that often

[red briar]

i'm still only barely scraping by the blinds

[true thunder]

is it me or does the scaling for antes 9+ just jump up to obscene levels

[frank grove]

and castle gets much better as you have it

[gentle basalt]

Dude then, do something so that you win

[true thunder]

actually it's more like ante 11

[gentle basalt]

I.e. watch better people

[worthy tinsel]

Yes

[frank grove]

cause you can start to work around it and deck fix for it if you want

[glad smelt]

Do I even take blueprint?(Challenge, 4 joker slots)

[gentle basalt]

And understand the game

[cloud sinew]

no shit

[worthy tinsel]

Welcome to endless

[cloud sinew]

??? nothing statement

youre not helping by saying "do something so that you win" "understand the game"

[cosmic sun]

Square is just more consistent cause 4 card hands aren't hard to do and Castle's suits can also just get debuffed

[red briar]

people say get experience and i must've played 200-300 games by now

[rancid gull]

Dude, that’s okay

What stakes are you on

[red briar]

250 of those losing in the first 3 antes

[wintry ice]

"hi guys how do i win"
"just win cuh it ain't that deep"

[red briar]

white stake

[gentle basalt]

The main suggestion is watching other people play

[cosmic sun]

Sure the ceiling on castle is higher but that never matters in these discussions

[gentle basalt]

Which helps you understand the game

[cloud sinew]

you didnt say that at all though

your initial advice was meaningless

[red briar]

aaan danother run lost

[gentle basalt]

Read

[rancid gull]

Okay, what is your general strategy? What jokers do you like

[red briar]

i don't have one because i lose too early to build a strategy

[rancid gull]

We gotta have a growth mindset

Buddy please

[red briar]

even at like ante 4-5 i still dont have a plan

[rancid gull]

You gotta have some favorites

[cloud sinew]

you should always have a plan

[red briar]

i can't because i'm so unlucky when it comes to roguelikes

i never get what i plan on going fore

[gentle basalt]

In case you cant read, #🕹・game-discussion message
Also fuck off, you keep doing this to me

[cloud sinew]

luck has almost nothing to do with it

[rancid gull]

I don’t think you’re unlucky man

[red briar]

i think i am

[rancid gull]

All your runs are winnable

[wintry ice]

my advice is take what you can get

[rancid gull]

Give me a seed and I’ll win it on white stake

[sand cliff]

what do i do here, are dna or chad safe bets or should i keep going with stuntman

[cloud sinew]

you just said "read", i didnt know which specific message you were referring to. also relax, take a break or stop responding to me if i'm somehow getting to you

[wintry ice]

don't stress over expensive, hard to set up jokers

[brittle umbra]

anyone here actually saw Cavendish die ?

[red briar]

because you build econ better

[rancid gull]

Well okay, if you know your problem is Econ

[red briar]

and can just roll endlessly for some reason

[frank grove]

a couple times yeah

[rancid gull]

Work on your Econ

[cosmic sun]

It probably helps that when people try stuff they don't just write it off from one game

[red briar]

my problem is everything to do with the game

[rancid gull]

Get your cap to 25

[cosmic sun]

Which is how you get "rtb bad" comments

[rancid gull]

Get your 5 bucks of interest

[red briar]

every seed i load into i can't win

[rancid gull]

Money is what gets you into making the powerful plays

[wintry ice]

interest control is essential

[rancid gull]

Arcana packs

Spectrals

Ideal vouchers

[cloud sinew]

which means it's something you're not doing that other people are

[red briar]

even when i open packs i don't get anything useful in them

[viral ledge]

bad joker idea: lockpick
doing the unlock requirements for a joker summons a negative version of that joker (i.e discarding a royal flush spawns a negative brainstorm, playing an all gold card hand spawns a negative golden ticket ect.)

[rancid gull]

Everything is useful

[gentle basalt]

@red briar is clearly ragebaiting, just ignore

[cosmic sun]

chiblee where is my justice card chiblee

[red briar]

this is what the average ante 1 store looks like

[cloud sinew]

which packs are you opening, and when?
you shouldnt really be opening anything other than buffoon packs until youre at $15+ pretty much

[gentle basalt]

He doesnt want to listen to anyone, its best to not respond

[cosmic sun]

I need to scale glass joker chiblee

[rotund igloo]

Buy abstract and see what's in the buffoon pack

[wintry ice]

abstract is pretty good

[viral ledge]

abstract and then take whatever from the buffoon pack

[red briar]

kindly go fuck yourself, just because i didn't want to listen to your boof half-assed advice doesn't mean i'm not trying to learn

[wintry ice]

you can check the buffoon pack first

[sand cliff]

any insight on this would be cool before i keep going

[echo sphinx]

holy

[rancid gull]

I don’t wanna ignore jugger

[gentle basalt]

Early abstract is great

[cloud sinew]

do not attribute to malice what can easily be explained by incompetence

[wintry ice]

to see if you can save up for grabber

[rancid gull]

I wanna help them

If I can

[red briar]

for +0 mult? great

[cloud sinew]

abstract is +3 on its own

[frank grove]

its +3

[wintry ice]

for +3 because it counts itself

[red briar]

buffoon pack has runner and juggler

[viral raft]

i mean i helped alot of people with that statement, is good to see what is happening instead of just doind random garbage until it works.

[cloud sinew]

take runner

[gentle basalt]

Thats a really good start...

[rotund igloo]

runner is great

[gentle basalt]

Take runner, scaling chips already

[wintry ice]

runner abstract should get you past earlygame easily

[red briar]

i won't be able to make straights though =w= guaranteed

[viral raft]

damnnn

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to

[wintry ice]

you just need to draw like 1 per round

[rose niche]

I did a thing

[wintry ice]

and then you can forgo them

[viral raft]

looks cool

[cloud sinew]

runner is scaling chips but doesnt require you to keep drawing straights to get the chips youve already scaled

abstract is unconditional +mult

[red briar]

sigh

[echo sphinx]

five nights at balatro

[cloud sinew]

you have a +6 abstract and one of the best +chips for this stage of the game

[rose niche]

Bear 5

[red briar]

i'll still lose

i'll just take a break and come back to it later

[wintry ice]

well where's the harm in trying

[cloud sinew]

instead of expecting yourself to lose you should try and pay attention to what you think caused you to lose in the past, and see if there's something different you could do in future

[red briar]

i lose because i don't get any good cards dude

[rancid gull]

Believe in yourself my man

[red briar]

idk what to tell you

[cloud sinew]

no you don't

[wintry ice]

if someone claims that, it's usually because they're way too picky with their jokers

[echo sphinx]

u dont necessarily need good cards to win

[wintry ice]

this isn't a game where you can spawn the exact build you want

go with the flow of the seed

[cloud sinew]

you said you have bad luck with roguelikes

[rancid gull]

Exactly

[cloud sinew]

but i think you just dont know how to play roguelikes /gen

you shouldnt be trying to force builds, you can't really be that picky with what you take

[echo sphinx]

guys idt we need to dogpile that hard

[cloud sinew]

you take the best option out of what is offered to you

[wintry ice]

most runs aren't baron runs for example

[rancid gull]

We’re not dogpiling

[mighty hare]

I might be cookin

[frank grove]

This isnt dogpiling, they're giving genuinely pretty good advice

[cloud sinew]

how is this dogpiling

[rancid gull]

We’re being nice to the dude

[echo sphinx]

ig

[rancid gull]

Being mean will never help

[echo sphinx]

gros mihael

i love this joker

ITS GONE LMAO

[wintry ice]

average ante 1 gros

[echo sphinx]

blehhh

[cloud sinew]

honestly thats fine, it gave you a dollar

[echo sphinx]

ok thank god there's riffraff

[cosmic sun]

I was drunk. I'm drunk right now.

I brought drunkard

[echo sphinx]

wdym riffraff gives a dollar

wait no

gros michel

[frank grove]

it saved you a hand

cause you one shot

[cloud sinew]

it let you win in one hand vs 2+

[echo sphinx]

ig.

[red briar]

i lost the run

[cloud sinew]

where did you lose the run and why

[echo sphinx]

rip what happened

[cloud sinew]

and dont say "because i didnt get xmult" or "good jokers"

[red briar]

ante 3 i couldn't score enough

[echo sphinx]

is ok cuz

[cloud sinew]

ante 3? you had runner abstract

[wintry ice]

what was your money at

[echo sphinx]

lol scoring

[cosmic sun]

perhaps I can get a glass proc for the last hand

[echo sphinx]

at least its holo so i can oneshot for quick buck

[mighty hare]

3rae4zuw skip first blind in ante 3 after defeating ante 2 reroll 3 times Im helping you here On magic deck btw

[echo sphinx]

or make a straight flush. cuz yes.

[cosmic sun]

no break, disappointing

[red briar]

i told you i have a way to lose

[cosmic sun]

[rancid gull]

What huh

[wintry ice]

but what was your money at

[echo sphinx]

whats runner abstract again

is it the straights guy

[wintry ice]

could you not affoard anything to support your scoring

[cloud sinew]

those are two different jokers

[wintry ice]

like even just a splash to scale abstract?

[cloud sinew]

runner and abstract

[bleak hemlock]

men lovers

[red briar]

unfortunately i didn't get a splash

[cosmic sun]

I was dwunk. I'm dwunk right now.

[wintry ice]

the debuffed by 6 boss blinds build 🔥

[bleak hemlock]

are you dwunk?

[wintry ice]

or any other common joker?

[cloud sinew]

the first arcana in ante 1 has a soul btw lmao

[wintry ice]

and again

[mighty hare]

Ik

[wintry ice]

how much money did you have by the end for that to happen

[mighty hare]

That's why I said to skip that blind

Cause it gives a soul

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to take the charm tag

[echo sphinx]

ic
(but what si Abstract)

[cloud sinew]

just open the first arcana in shop

[faint linden]

+3 mult per joker you have

[frank grove]

+3 mult for every joker you have

[cosmic sun]

bruh I thought they skipped investment tag 💀

[echo sphinx]

huh
thats like better than 50% of starts

[red briar]

i didn't have alot of money

[wintry ice]

weird

[cloud sinew]

you had very good scoring early and decent scaling, how did you not have a lot of money

[wintry ice]

that should have let you go without spending anything until the ante 2 boss on gold stake

[echo sphinx]

ig he forgot to scale

[cloud sinew]

where did you spend your money

[red briar]

apparently not being able to find straights is a me issue

[cloud sinew]

you dont need to find straights consistently with runner

[red briar]

buffoon packs, celestial packs, etc.

[cloud sinew]

why did you open celestial packs

[wintry ice]

they should be easy to find once per round with 3 discards

[cloud sinew]

you shouldnt really be opening any packs apart from buffoons until $20+

[red briar]

to get levels? am i missing something

[frank grove]

did you not take any of the jokers from the buffoons for abstract?

[wintry ice]

don't open celestial packs below 25$ unless you desperately need the scoring

[rancid gull]

For your max interest

[wintry ice]

it's generally not worth it to hurt your interest for that

[rancid gull]

Your interest will pay for your packs

[fleet gyro]

can someone watch mi balatro stream

[cloud sinew]

you already had good scoring, you needed to focus on getting your interest up

[fleet gyro]

pls

[primal heath]

even if you get the planets you need all the time, it is usually better to use the money on tarots and jokers

[red briar]

i suppose i'll wait until the next time i get such a good start to do that then

[wintry ice]

interest is like a third to half your econ in the vast majority of the time

[fleet gyro]

hey does anyone wanna watch my balatro stream? i got some mods but i havent played to actual game that much

[red briar]

🟦

[fleet gyro]

lol

[cloud sinew]

stop begging twin

[cloud sinew]

take square

[frank grove]

ooh squareee

[wintry ice]

holo square is pretty much an instant win

[red briar]

how??

you need 4 card hands to scale it

[cosmic sun]

pair

[cloud sinew]

and?

[wintry ice]

it's chips and +mult for 0 cost

[cloud sinew]

just play pair with 2 throwaway hands

[gentle basalt]

pair with 2 throwaway counts

[faint linden]

Orange Stake Erratic Deck run last night

[cloud sinew]

also it's +10 mult right now, even if it was any other joker it'd be worth

[wintry ice]

you don't need all 4 cards to score

[frank grove]

you only need to play 4 cards they dont have to score, so pair, hc, 3oak, 2pair all work

[wintry ice]

the game usually specifies it if it's the case

[frank grove]

and 4oak

[red briar]

huff

so what am i to do

[cloud sinew]

TAKE

SQUARE

[red briar]

just play pairs with 2 extra cards?

i already TOOK square that much was obvious

[faint linden]

The Chad died just after Amber Acorn

[primal heath]

crazy start 🔥

[cloud sinew]

play any 4 cards, but focus on pairs yes.

[wintry ice]

you can also take the buffoon pack

actually

nvm you can't affoard it

[cloud sinew]

i wouldnt

[frank grove]

yeah i wouldnt either

[cloud sinew]

square on its own gets them through a1

and quite easily through a2

[red briar]

so how long should i wait until buying anything?

[frank grove]

Probably after ante 2 boss on white

[cloud sinew]

that depends what you get, but unless it seems really worth it like buffoon packs or particular jokers in shop you should probably wait until max interest

[wintry ice]

you can just buy scaling +mult jokers, buffoon packs and econ jokers for now

[echo sphinx]

square letsgo

[wintry ice]

getting any consistent xmult is good too

[frank grove]

but if you see anything thats worth picking up then of course grab em

[red briar]

i don't see how square is that good though

surely +4 chips every hand won't scale fast enough

[cloud sinew]

it's very easy scaling chips and it's +10 mult

[frank grove]

right now its mult to help you one shot the next two or three blinds

and also scaling chips

[wintry ice]

it usually gets to like +200

[cloud sinew]

"fast enough"? fast enough for what

[narrow scroll]

basically 16 chips every round if you use it well
really good

[wintry ice]

though that's on high stakes where the higher scoring limit lets you play more hands

[primal heath]

It scales fairly fast on its own. And if you get more hand based scaling jokers its busted

[cloud sinew]

rn it's more like +8/+12 because it's holo

[tardy vigil]

Straight son or Flush daughter?

[wintry ice]

but that also means you don't need as many chips

[red briar]

to be viable later on?

[narrow scroll]

true

[frank grove]

yeah holo does make it a little harder to scale but its still good

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt need to be

it just needs to let you live for longer

[frank grove]

of course if you have good planet scaling and outscale the square enough you can sell it for something else later

[red briar]

alright i'm at ante 2 boss blind

[cloud sinew]

how did you get there so fast

did you skip at all

[red briar]

by playing hands

[cloud sinew]

and did you just ignore the shop completely?

[red briar]

no?

[cosmic sun]

General rule with hand scalers like Square @red briar If you can play worse hands like high card to scale it (because even pairs sometimes win too fast) then you can scale it more.

[red briar]

i looked in the shop but didn't really buy anything because i didn't see anything of use

[cosmic sun]

Something you probably didn't know.

[cloud sinew]

you should show us your shops probably, you wouldn't have taken square which means you aren't that great at knowing what is worth

[red briar]

i'm worried i'll just lose from getting chips too slowly

[cloud sinew]

sorry that was a bit blunt

[red briar]

i'm sure there's something of worth here

[cloud sinew]

i would reroll

standards are not what you want rn

[narrow scroll]

is the voucher the discard vuocher

[frank grove]

is overstock the voucher

[red briar]

that did alot

[narrow scroll]

oh that one

[frank grove]

i see

[cloud sinew]

faceless is incredible econ wdym

[faint linden]

Listen to her. She knows her shit

[wintry ice]

seemed like directors

oh i was right

[primal heath]

faceless is good econ

[frank grove]

yeah

[red briar]

if i get lucky enough to get there

[cloud sinew]

???

[narrow scroll]

directors might be a take

[cosmic sun]

Ante 10 holo square still carrying

[cloud sinew]

you have 4 discards

[cosmic sun]

Then you use faceless to get more money

[wintry ice]

where does all this pessimism come from

[faint linden]

I would take the voucher tbh

[frank grove]

i wouldnt take the voucher, not unless you pickup faceless and have enough

[cloud sinew]

losing a lot, but they really should chill out with it

being so pessimistic isnt helping

[red briar]

if i play 200 rounds of balatro and lose 180 of them in the first 3 antes then of course i'm going to think that way

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[gentle basalt]

you can think that there are some things i need to do to get better
what personally worked for me was watch doc as i told you...

[red briar]

what about here?

[cosmic sun]

so thinking negatively even though you are still in the process of learning

[vestal sequoia]

guys does anyone know if brainstorm is better here

[frank grove]

😭

[cosmic sun]

is that helpful or not

[serene forge]

mult joker and econ

[cloud sinew]

I lost 700 runs before I won my gold stake gauntlet. difficult things take a while, and it's a learning experience the whole time.

[latent ravine]

today i learned, you don't get the "flushed" achievement if you play a flush house

[narrow scroll]

yeah way better

[primal heath]

duo is a good pick

[serene forge]

you don't need the mult actually

[echo sphinx]

yes

[faint linden]

What color sticker do you have it? I hate it and mine is red

[serene forge]

holo square

[vestal sequoia]

thanks

[serene forge]

regrettably, gold

[cloud sinew]

it does specify that it has to be a "Flush"

[echo sphinx]

duo

[red briar]

you already know the game by the time you're on gold stake

[narrow scroll]

put it on the photograph probably

[faint linden]

C++ be like

[cloud sinew]

beating gold stake does not make you a perfect player

[cosmic sun]

no

[cloud sinew]

nowhere near a perfect player in fact

[red briar]

should i take anything or not

[frank grove]

Yeah

[echo sphinx]

im on gold stake and i still make dumb decisions

[cloud sinew]

take duo and grabber

[wintry ice]

duo is good to have

so is grabber

[faint linden]

I'm trying Gold Stake on my second deck and I'm STILL learning stuff

[latent ravine]

still, took me 9 antes to get all the lovers cards needed

[frank grove]

i would do this on magic it helps a little bit

[cloud sinew]

I've won gold stake well over 300 times atp and I'm still nowhere near a perfect player

[red briar]

i don't wanna ask for every single shop but

i just have no clue

[cloud sinew]

then it's completely fine to ask

that's what we're here for rn

[latent ravine]

guess on what deck im on

[red briar]

i have splash in the shop but considering i score perfectly fine i don't feel like i need it

[cloud sinew]

i wouldnt take it

[faint linden]

Eventually, you'll find yourself having to ask less and you'll get an instinct of what to take when

[narrow scroll]

does anyone have any tips for zodiac deck

[red briar]

i also have 2 spectral packs

[rotund cloud]

What voucher i get after 10 blank vouchers?

[primal heath]

Take duo because it gives 2x mult if you have a pair in your played hand and pairs are the go-to with square joker

Take handy because you get to scale your square faster and you get +$1 at the end of the round

[cloud sinew]

Antimatter, +1 joker slot

[faint linden]

Antimatter

[frank grove]

oh.. hopefulyl next run goes better

[rotund cloud]

Woah

[cloud sinew]

probably open both packs

immolate, trance and familiar are the main 3 spectrals you wanna see rn

[crimson hinge]

Welp, rip for me

[red briar]

i guess skip?

[cloud sinew]

talisman on your king

[red briar]

why ?

[frank grove]

money

[devout reef]

Why not?

[cloud sinew]

it's better than skipping

[red briar]

out of 52 cards there's not a likely chance i'll see it

[primal heath]

you get +3 dollars if you play it

[cloud sinew]

it's better than skipping

[frank grove]

you have 5 hands and 4 discards

you almost see every card

[red briar]

wraith and deja vu

i'm clueless when it comes to spectrals

i suppose putting a red seal on a card wouldn't hurt

[frank grove]

yeah

[narrow scroll]

putting gold on it would be nice if you get a devil too later
since you're playing pairs/hc

[frank notch]

bones miscalculation

[narrow scroll]

💔

[cloud sinew]

shouldve done the math

[red briar]

do i take anything?

[cloud sinew]

acrobat probably

[red briar]

i wouldn't suppose so since my scoring is still decently strong

i could

[frank grove]

I would open one of the arcanas to see for hermit probably

[cloud sinew]

acrobat is needle defense

[red briar]

this run is luckier than most

[frank grove]

acrobat is a good pickup though

[red briar]

no hermit

[cloud sinew]

it might be, but that doesn't mean that's why you're winning

[gentle basalt]

acrobat for the safety

[cloud sinew]

that isnt the only useful tarot

[narrow scroll]

he has faceless

[cloud sinew]

delgrat is horrible here

4 discards faceless

[gentle basalt]

oops

i cant see, my bad

[red briar]

i can assure you nothing was worth picking

it was either like

stone card

or convert 3 into clubs

[cloud sinew]

no you cannot

[primal heath]

stone cards are strong

you should take them

[red briar]

eh

[frank grove]

stone cards are decent with square

[red briar]

what's done is done

it's not exactly a deciding factor in the game

[narrow scroll]

stones are okay
better than nothing

[narrow scroll]

true

can be though

[red briar]

is it worth taking castle this late in the game?

[cloud sinew]

every optimisation you can do improves your chance of winning

[primal heath]

the little things compound

[cosmic sun]

Why do you think you know

[cloud sinew]

don't discount anything automatically

[cosmic sun]

Have you ever thought about that

[red briar]

well

[cosmic sun]

Sometimes you gotta hit yourself with that eternal student mindset gang

[red briar]

i've had similar bad decisions in the past and still miraculously won from them

[cloud sinew]

winning despite making bad decisions does not mean it's okay to make those bad decisions again. getting lucky doesnt mean it was "fine" to make those decisions

[red briar]

by that logic, i guess i lose?

[primal heath]

on the long run, you're gonna end up losing some runs in the future

[red briar]

?

[cloud sinew]

if you don't play as best as you possibly can, you will lose runs eventually because of it

[primal heath]

I'd go to the next round

[frank grove]

I probably wouldnt do anything here

[stark karma]

Joker Idea: Art Gallery
Common
Earn 1 dollar for every other owned joker at end of round

[cosmic sun]

Chariot could be worth considering for a possible Steel Joker

28 - 3

[hasty harness]

no way

[devout reef]

You can feasibly get castle rolling with 4 discards but you already have a square so it’s not really necessary

[cloud sinew]

if you made it include itself it'd be fine

[stark karma]

okay!

[devout reef]

Showman did the thing

[stark karma]

I didn't want it to be straight up more powerful than golden but I suppose it's fine since it isnt constant

[stoic isle]

tall balatro gaming

[cloud sinew]

and it starts out significantly lower

[stark karma]

yup

[red briar]

check the buffoon pack ?

[primal heath]

yes

[cloud sinew]

yes

[frank grove]

Yeah

[red briar]

is half joker worth taking here

[narrow scroll]

maybe todo list if it's on something easy
and if buffoon packs has nothing

[cloud sinew]

yes

[stoic isle]

no

[devout reef]

lol

[primal heath]

if you need it for scroring

[red briar]

it's on four of a kind lol

[primal heath]

but dont skip

[cloud sinew]

they have no +mult besides half's holo edition

[frank grove]

Yeah i would take half

[primal heath]

you can always pick a joker and sell it

[red briar]

if i need to scale, i'll just play 4 cards, but if i need to score high i can just play a pair

[cloud sinew]

you can't scale square while also scoring with half, but that's fine. winning is better than maximising scaling all the time

[devout reef]

I feel like swash is also not bad here

[cloud sinew]

swash is also an okay take, but i'd take half personally

[red briar]

should i start checking celestial packs for pairs too

[devout reef]

It’s less mult but less constaints

[frank notch]

i wish i didnt edition all of my jokers

[cloud sinew]

atp yes

[devout reef]

But conditional scoring is always a plus

[frank grove]

you dont really need to with square but you can if you have the extra money

[red briar]

and if not pairs i can skip right?

i don't want high card to get too high

[frank grove]

i would scale something like two pair or 3oak or 4oak

[cloud sinew]

if you have a better card on your fool yes

[frank grove]

or if you have something better in fool then yeah dont do anything

[red briar]

what do you mean by this

[stark karma]

another joker idea:

Wanted Poster
Uncommon
Each [rank] of [suit] gives $5 and self destructs when played
card changes at every round

[primal heath]

seems pretty powerful

[cloud sinew]

fool copies your last used planet/tarot card. if the card you last used is worth keeping as your fool target over what you will get now then you shouldnt use it

[frank grove]

so if you last used hermit for example i would skip a 3oak level to not ruin the fool

[red briar]

i don't have a fool at the moment

[stark karma]

ehhh

[cloud sinew]

twin, let me explain

[stark karma]

I feel like it's moderately powerful

[cloud sinew]

your fool target stays even if you dont have a fool

the next time you get a fool it WILL be the last tarot/planet you used

[red briar]

i can't remember what the last tarot i used was so

[cloud sinew]

you can check in collection

[stark karma]

I think early on it's probably very hard to find and play a specific card

[primal heath]

i dont see a problem with this. nice joker

[frank grove]

you can check by going collection, tarots and hovering over the fool

[stark karma]

Thanks! sort of a deck builder idol

[devout reef]

In essence it’s a trading card that can be triggered more times. It’s pretty strong.

[stark karma]

if it lands on a card you want to have in your deck you're screwed a little

[red briar]

i didn't have anything

[stark karma]

true but it does need deck fixing

[red briar]

i'll just move onto the next blind

[echo sphinx]

id say its too op
but mailed rebate exists
so its all good

[stark karma]

which I guess it provides

[cloud sinew]

have you not used a single planet/tarot this game?

[cloud sinew]

it's not OP at all

it's 1 card in deck per round at base

[vestal copper]

it seems mid ngl

[stark karma]

it does get better over time tho

[narrow scroll]

upgrading 3oak might also be okay too
protection against that one boss blind that doesn't allow you to play repeat hands

[red briar]

nope

[devout reef]

What the

[shell dagger]

It’s slightly slower than trading card but doesnt waste a discard, i like

[vestal copper]

why

[stark karma]

okay cool :)

I'm glad we like it

[rancid gull]

Hey guys

[devout reef]

How many tarot/planet packs have you opened

[vestal copper]

thats a good concept tho that is us true

[echo sphinx]

ig
there's like 6 tarots that help with proccing this

[cloud sinew]

you skipped the arcana pack when you literally hadnt used a single tarot/planet yet. theres almost no reason to do that without red card

[red briar]

no clue

[cloud sinew]

cryptid a face

[primal heath]

cryptid is good

[rancid gull]

This is a really good setup

[vestal copper]

cryptid a king

[red briar]

did that

open another celestial?

[stark karma]

I wonder how crazy a joker that makes all xmult effects happen last would be

[rancid gull]

Keep scaling your square

[stark karma]

that's stupid lol

[echo sphinx]

4 of each suit, strength, wild

[cloud sinew]

it would be quite strong

[stark karma]

yeahhhh

also idk how a photo chad would function

would it get retriggered? hard to say

[cloud sinew]

wdym you dont know, it would just make it happen "last"

[vestal copper]

8x mult stored would be kind nuts

[stark karma]

seems like a poor idea

yeah lmao

[cloud sinew]

it's a good idea, just not an original one

[stark karma]

and then glass/steel

ah I see

[narrow scroll]

stores your xmult
then unleases it at the end?

[echo sphinx]

probably queued, looks strong

[stark karma]

I suppose

feels like it has little detriment

[red briar]

arcana?

[stark karma]

other than taking a slot

[echo sphinx]

id say the biggest strength is that it nulls Acorn boss blind

[cloud sinew]

it doesn't need to have much detriment other than taking a slot

[shell dagger]

New joker that makes +chips happen last (uncommon)

[narrow scroll]

probably uncommon

[stark karma]

lmaoo

[vestal copper]

i mean yeah scaling problems

[cloud sinew]

acorn is a non-issue

[stark karma]

yeah lol

[cloud sinew]

acorn is the easiest showdown blind

[stark karma]

fs

[cloud sinew]

arguably the 2nd easiest boss in the game

[dire sage]

NOOOOOOZIALDKAOO19RUFJDK1

[red briar]

anything useful in here?

[rancid gull]

Glass and mult cards

[cloud sinew]

do you have glass joker unlocked

[stark karma]

maybe something more like on card effects trigger last is more interesting?

[narrow scroll]

what's your easiest boss blind?

[cloud sinew]

serpent

[red briar]

probably not

[dire sage]

GIVE ME THE NEGATIVE ETERNAL BRAINSTORM

[rancid gull]

Glass is always a nice touch to have

[cloud sinew]

then put glass on your ace

[narrow scroll]

ahh
yeah that makes sense

[vestal copper]

serpent is free that is true

useful to the player, even

[stark karma]

not always

some builds suffer

[red briar]

do i need to use the glass ace to get the card

[stark karma]

bad ones lol

[cloud sinew]

this is true of acorn too

[echo sphinx]

bad builds suffer

[cloud sinew]

what

[red briar]

like

[rancid gull]

No you don’t need to use glass

[vestal copper]

?

[stark karma]

but I mean it does limit the cards you see

[red briar]

if i have glass joker locked

[rancid gull]

You just have to have one in your deck for it to appear

[stark karma]

regardless

[red briar]

huh

[stark karma]

so it does hinder value generators

like rebate

[cloud sinew]

they dont have it UNLOCKED

wrong reply

[rancid gull]

Oh fugg

[hasty harness]

ante 39 potential?

nat negative dna

and i got a bean bug

[stark karma]

lol

[rancid gull]

Potentially yeah

[echo sphinx]

thats true ig
if blue stake wasn't forcing pairslop serpent would be harder on average

[narrow scroll]

glass joker runs are super fun
you should unlock it

[cloud sinew]

blue stake makes serpent harder on average anyway

[stark karma]

seems like it might be the case

[cloud sinew]

because it's -3 cards seen in deck

[stark karma]

why didnt you bean bug again here?

[devout reef]

Oh ok

[stark karma]

I suppose it's a bit scary

[hasty harness]

if i hit it it will be the 3rd time ive ever hit ante 39

[rancid gull]

I’ve never been scared of a serpent tbh

[hasty harness]

:p

[cloud sinew]

photobait

[hasty harness]

no retcon

💀

[red briar]

still no clue what tarots are good

[echo sphinx]

idt pairslop/hcslop is affected by hiding cards

[devout reef]

I mean is it thoooooo

[cloud sinew]

you dont run 4oak enough then

[narrow scroll]

scary

[vestal copper]

polychrome invis is crazy

[stark karma]

had this run a bit back I fumbled

[echo sphinx]

worse comes to worst u play one or 2 steel

[stark karma]

took too many ectos lol

[hasty harness]

i got past plant with luchador

[rancid gull]

Well on black deck ++ it’s been harder for me to get stuff off thr ground

[cloud sinew]

yes it is, just less than other builds

[hasty harness]

but it might come back around

atp

[rancid gull]

I’m speaking from recency

[cloud sinew]

yes it is

[lyric wave]

devil is really good here because devil is money

[devout reef]

Can you explain why

Interested

[rancid gull]

I love gold cards!!!!!

[cloud sinew]

you have square green space invis by ante 3, photochad just opens you up to more bosses

[echo sphinx]

devil and put it on the 9 or smth

[lyric wave]

esp with that red seal ace

[rancid gull]

All of the enchantments are really good

[lyric wave]

yeah

[ancient gyro]

and less agnostic open joker space

[devout reef]

Yeah I guess that’s true

[lyric wave]

bonus cards are a bit lacking and mult cards are too past earlygame but

the others are pretty fuckin good

[red briar]

good thing i took devil regardless

[frank grove]

I love campfire

[cloud sinew]

wilds and stones are miserable wdym

[devout reef]

I so rarely ever run photograph anyways

[red briar]

should i take photograph or is there no point

[ancient gyro]

one of them gets bricked by a few bosses

[echo sphinx]

stone not that bad wym

[rancid gull]

Well except wilds

Sorry

Most of them

[lyric wave]

I forgot about wild and stone ngl

[rancid gull]

I think stones are fine

Kinda

[ancient gyro]

well stone is good

[lyric wave]

stone has value

[stark karma]

it's funny there's no robot joker

[echo sphinx]

stone advantage is that it doesnt get bricked by boss mechanics

[lyric wave]

wild is just... eh... at best

[rancid gull]

I actually hate wild cards

[echo sphinx]

so its the ol reliable

[rancid gull]

They’re never worth taking over other enhancements

I’d rather have a suit changer than a wild

[red briar]

i'm starting to worry just a little about my scoring here

[cloud sinew]

yes they are

[lyric wave]

wild cards:

[ancient gyro]

outside of some non meta specific builds and card tracking

[lyric wave]

wild cards get bricked so hard by bosses

[cloud sinew]

you said other enhancements

[primal heath]

Think about the benefit of having a photograph and compare it to the loss of any of your current jokers

[echo sphinx]

unless its like
whatever the "played before in the ante" blind boss it is

[stark karma]

fr...

[vestal copper]

wilds are bad and then you find an ancient

[red briar]

i don't really need faceless joker at the moment

[vestal copper]

and then 🪟

[cloud sinew]

stones dont change pillar at all*
pillar is played, not scored.

[red briar]

and x2 mult would be nice

at the end i'm not sure

[rancid gull]

Yippee one specific and rare joker

To make wilds good!!!

Yayuhhhh

[lyric wave]

and now you have to have at least like 10 wilds in your deck to make sure you can draw your flush

[red briar]

i would personally take it but that's probably wrong

[vestal copper]

yeah

[primal heath]

The 2x mult activates when the card is played

so it activates before half joker

and the holo

[vestal copper]

buff lovers 😭

[echo sphinx]

still can be debuffed aiya

[lyric wave]

I'm pretty sure a wild card buff was confirmed

[cloud sinew]

sure but that's not a unique property of stone

[vestal copper]

i usually literally never care about suits ngl

[cloud sinew]

it has been confirmed

[rancid gull]

It has been

I’m excited to see it

But right now

Wilds are ass

[cloud sinew]

it's not the worst enhancement anymore

[vestal copper]

why dont lovers affect 2 cards

[red briar]

well then i'm entirely not sure about my scoring

[lyric wave]

likely making it so that boss blinds don't fuck with it anymore

[red briar]

because it feels like it's too slow but i have no clue in the end

[lyric wave]

good question

[echo sphinx]

whats the buff like

[rancid gull]

I don’t know if it’d be good if it was two cards

[frank grove]

i think its been confirmed that buffed lovers still wont affect 2 it will only affect 1 at a time

[rancid gull]

Foe lovers

[ancient gyro]

it no longer needs to after 1.1

[lyric wave]

only a few things I believe

[ancient gyro]

also two wilds don't make the enhancement much better

[lyric wave]

oh

you edited it

yeah we have no idea what the actual buff is

[cloud sinew]

we have no idea

[echo sphinx]

oh

[rancid gull]

Yay, speculative flushes or strushses

Or ancient

[frank grove]

flower pot value

[rancid gull]

Or f5

[vestal copper]

flush house

[cloud sinew]

thunk doesnt like revealing stuff because it means people get disappointed if it isnt what he said it would be

[frank grove]

also cause it would just get modded in anyway

[echo sphinx]

imagine if they buff it by adding boss blinds which bricks non-enhanced cards or smth and give wild something to stand out

[cloud sinew]

which is why we know like 4 things about 1.1 so far

[rancid gull]

That’s fair

[flat warren]

Anybody got a dollar 😔

[lyric wave]

things will be changing due to balance or whatever whatever

[ancient gyro]

5 if you count new smeared joker art 🗣️

[lyric wave]

you would have a dollar if you didn't buy anything ante 1

[frank grove]

we also know about loyalty card stuff maybe the new animations for it

[fiery nymph]

i have a cool idea of a wild card buff

[lyric wave]

because on plasma

[cloud sinew]

• chicot bug fixed
• crimson handsize bug fixed
• serpent rework
• smeared joker art slightly changed
• wild card rework
• matador rework
• blue stake rework

[plain herald]

i lost this run at the ante 8 boss blind cause the game decided to not put a single xmult joker anywhere in the shop what a waste of a great setup

[cloud sinew]

not an exhaustive list

[rancid gull]

Nooooo not my chicot bug

[stark karma]

Plantain joker

[lyric wave]

we also know about the new banana

[devout reef]

Me when I lie

[lyric wave]

yea

[lyric wave]

me when I don't lie

[stark karma]

And potentially a lollipop joker ?

[cloud sinew]

we dont know it's a plantain for sure

[echo sphinx]

gros michel 2???

[fiery nymph]

i wish chicot would reverse the boss effect instead of simply disabling

[cloud sinew]

all we know is it's a new banana

[red briar]

my scoring is starting to fall off here, what am i to do?

[lyric wave]

gros michel 3

[stark karma]

It’s the stand in name

[serene forge]

gold stake needs a buff, ngl

[devout reef]

Source

[cloud sinew]

so we don't know

[echo sphinx]

sorry i forgot cavendish exists

[rancid gull]

Telescope is good

[cloud sinew]

ragebait /lh

[rancid gull]

Also you gotta transition out of halfsies

[leaden dragon]

uh

any joker ideas for my mod?

[stark karma]

I heard somewhere Chad and rebate are getting nerfed?

[rancid gull]

You have the square

[frank grove]

you have quite a lot of money you can reroll for stuff

[leaden dragon]

its called strokelatro

[cloud sinew]

that is not confirmed at all

[lyric wave]

this is just from searching localthunk's messages

[stark karma]

Fair!

[cloud sinew]

localthunk has actually spoken out AGAINST a chad nerf

[stark karma]

Hmmm ok

[fiery nymph]

argil was right there

[rancid gull]

I don’t think it needs a need

[plain herald]

why would chad need a nerf

[rancid gull]

Nerd

[fiery nymph]

auraz

[frank grove]

in his dev build he said he has rebate at 3 dollars