🕹・game-discussion

[glacial galleon]

Ueah planet card for 4x

Allows you to win without jokers

[green apex]

Gold Stake: Plasma, Ghost, Red
Orange Stake: N/A
Purple Stake: Yellow
Blue Stake: N/A
Black Stake: Blue, Erratic
Green Stake: Green, Magic, Checkered, Zodiac, Anaglyph
Red Stake: Black Deck, Nebula, Abandoned, Painted
White Stake: N/A

@glacial galleon

[glacial galleon]

Only concern is building an Econ?

[green apex]

completions

[frank grove]

not really there isnt much to buy but arcana packs and tarots and planets which are fairly cheap

[glacial galleon]

I mean if your profile is busted and can’t get achievements I guess there’s no point but might as well restart then @green apex

Man I love anaglyph!

Also yellow deck is free elo

[green apex]

eh i got all of the achievements that dont relate to high numbers

[glacial galleon]

Wdym

[green apex]

elo in what sense, wins or..?

[glacial galleon]

What achievements?

[glacial galleon]

Yeah

[heady minnow]

do I have to show all the pages or?

[glacial galleon]

No no, just like a sense of what all you have.

[green apex]

like achievements for certain increments of score, antes, unlocks, anything to do with the main little game

[glacial galleon]

What cant you get now

[heady minnow]

honestly I'm not very sure really

[green apex]

there's nothing i cant get

[glacial galleon]

Thought you said your game is broken?

[green apex]

no my game is fine

the stats are thats it, just a bit irregular

[frank grove]

yeah

[glacial galleon]

Oh ok

[frank grove]

i have a second profile for random brainstorm runs

[glacial galleon]

That makes sense

[green apex]

and i fucking made the mistake to do it in one profile

[frank grove]

like recently ive been trying to do fun high cloud 9 runs

[glacial galleon]

That’s ok! Keep playing you’ll unlock the cards

[green apex]

i forgot profiles existed

[frank grove]

my currently highest is like 132 i think

but scoring with 9s alone is kinda tough

[glacial galleon]

Just wait until you get blueprint and brainstorm

[green apex]

dusk idol dna question mark

[frank grove]

you can only get about most of the way through ante 15 not on plasma

[heady minnow]

I can totally win now already I just made one stupid mistake that ended my run

[green apex]

is that what you would do?

[frank grove]

ive been copying glass/gold half and half with red seals and dusk and idol yes

[heady minnow]

literally if I just placed that one card I would've won

[green apex]

ah cool

[frank grove]

and using cryptids to get 100+ 9s

[glacial galleon]

All good learn from it and you’ll keep winning

[green apex]

cryptids?? hmm

[frank grove]

the problem is dna isnt that good with idol early on

[green apex]

so ghost deck huh

[frank grove]

yeah with perkeo

[green apex]

or filtering perkeos

ah cool

[glacial galleon]

Is there a spot to learn how this mod functions?

[heady minnow]

I guess I need to REALLY look at what cards I have in my hand before I play it from now on, it's really the hard way to learn such a thing isn't it?

[green apex]

it just scans seeds according to the info you feed it

[frank grove]

and you want idol by ante 10 or earlier, and you need to find red seals and dna and copy jokers its a lot to line up to get cloud 9 going its annoying

but very fun

[glacial galleon]

Also you’re going to want to not run flush all that much @heady minnow

Not that it’s bad, it’s just hard to scale and work around

[heady minnow]

I try to avoid it but I end up upgrading it a lot

[glacial galleon]

It’s good for early, harder later on

[frank grove]

this was the best ive done and it was really really early

[green apex]

this is what it would look like for ante 39 runs

[green apex]

oh it just says 132

epic

[frank grove]

yeah it just says numbers past i think 52?

[glacial galleon]

Do you think it’s possible to go more?

[green apex]

fair enough

[green apex]

probably

[frank grove]

oh yeah easily, it just requires copy jokers pre ante 8

ive been getting unlucky and getting blueprint in ante 9 or something

[green apex]

there is probabyl a seed out there dedicating to cloud 9 value

[glacial galleon]

Can you feed it something that has more or is that not possible

[green apex]

you can do more

[ember rampart]

holy money 🤑

lmao

[frank grove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1478943650623918161/image.png?ex=69aa3d1b&is=69a8eb9b&hm=61a16868beb652e66a9f2943e611260bdb53bb18a82fc30b6924aa4f00e752b1&

this was my most recent run

[glacial galleon]

I wish I understood the math more behind this game. My brain just can’t comprehend certain things lol

[ember rampart]

which deck was this?

[green apex]

filter for certain vouchers, tags, negative blueprints, and other stuff

[frank grove]

ghost

[green apex]

you do know how to copy jokers effectively right..?

[glacial galleon]

Wdym

[green apex]

thats the only maths thats important

[frank grove]

i probably should do plasma runs for fun high cloud 9 runs since they can last much much longer but plasma is less fun to play around with spectral copying with perkeo

[green apex]

knowing how many copies for triggers vs score

[glacial galleon]

lol no I don’t know the math for it, I know how many are supposed to be on each

Equal amounts for things

[green apex]

thats maths

good enough

[ember rampart]

i still gotta unlock erratic deck but im too dumb for purple stake

[green apex]

only maths you probably do need to know...

[frank grove]

yeah the only real math you kinda want to know is what one shots first blind apart from that you should be able to eye ball it

[glacial galleon]

Numbers in my brain are squiggly 😅

[green apex]

keep going

[green apex]

eyeball it?

i spend like 3 seconds calculating first 😭

[ember rampart]

my first purple stake run i got to the damn showdown blind on ante 8 before i died 😭

[frank grove]

just kinda get a grasp of your score

it does just kinda come with playing a lot though

[glacial galleon]

I mean yeah I know what beats based off of repeatedly playing but if someone was to ask me to explain it to them I can’t.

[lofty quarry]

nor always true

[green apex]

i do know the lowest straight that can beat small blind is Q-J-10-9-8 and flushes the numbers should be equal or greater than 40

[glacial galleon]

Like if you gave me a flush of numbers I couldn’t tell you if it wins instantly

[glacial galleon]

Yeah I know that

Not the flush just learned that rn

[green apex]

thats like basic basic

[glacial galleon]

Sorry Nan inf

Way beyond ante 8

[glacial galleon]

Fun to learn for the flush one thanks

[green apex]

i mean i would probably be calculating how much i can go into retriggers for money

[frank grove]

full houses can one shot if the cards add up to 35

[green apex]

thats also something yeah

[glacial galleon]

Yoo lowkey thanks for that lol the more you know

[frank grove]

however thats only really useful on abandoned where the other methods dont really work

[green apex]

so x3 Face/10 and 2 2s is not enough

[green apex]

still useful on other decks too

[lofty quarry]

basically you have c copiers
let c1 be on baron and c2 on mine
triggers = 1(base)+(red seal)+(number of mimes)+c2
and scoring = 1(base)+(steel)+(number of barons)+c1
So we have triggers+scoring= constant since c1+c2 is a constant
Now according to the AM-GM inequality we want to make x=y if we want to maximize xy under x+y=constant
So we make triggers equal to scoring

[frank grove]

somewhat but going for flushes is usually more consistant than full houses

[green apex]

plasma two pairs of face cards can clear the first 2 blinds

[green apex]

yeah

[frank grove]

on abandoned you take the gamble anyway cause you have to use two most of the time so you might as well try to one shot

[lofty quarry]

So if you have red seal steels wih one baron and one mine it happens to be that you copy both equally but if you have red seal golds you actually put two extra copier on baron if you have even number of copier

[green apex]

if that is not possible however, you would lean slightly more towards scoring UNLESS you are playing glass, where you will have to account for that

[glacial galleon]

lol you’re speaking something I wish I could understand but i just don’t lol

[green apex]

i dont understand from this, i just count what scsores how much (1.5x/2x) and just ocunt how many times its going off

actually looking back its fine

[lofty quarry]

This is basically the same thing

[green apex]

steels 🔥

one's more technical

[glacial galleon]

Well if you’re trying to Nan inf you’re wanting money up until ante 24

So gold cards are more important

I haven’t got to Nan inf but I also haven’t tried anything but unseeded

Maybe one of these days I’ll play a seeded run for fun for anything

[frank grove]

I want to do another fun naneinf, i want to do photochad naneinf

[fringe nebula]

is it possible on black stake? with ecto and ankh on eternals

[frank grove]

yeah

thats the method

[glacial galleon]

Only because it’s eternal it doesn’t destroy the others? When you ankh?

[frank grove]

you could technically do idol naneinf

yeah

[glacial galleon]

Man this games mechanics are fun for many different reasons

[jolly relic]

should i be ripping knots out of my hair or is there a better way

[green apex]

nat neg trib naneinf exists from that one seed with a nat neg perkeo

perhaps...

[glacial galleon]

Good luck with y’all’s games. Im finally gonna try to sleep

[frank grove]

yeah, i mean you do need some retriggers to make it more possible but yeah its totally doable

[molten thicket]

can you?

[frank grove]

yeah black stake anhk ectos

[molten thicket]

idol is lowkey ass for naneinfing

[frank grove]

yeah of course but like so is like 99% of the jokers in the game

you could do chad naneinf with enough of them

[molten thicket]

you would need an obscene amount of retrigs & idols for that to even work

the reason baron mime is that powerful is bcs you can hold basically a trillion kings in your hand

[frank grove]

yeah of course

[molten thicket]

if you play idol you get 5 cards to retrig and proc x2

[ebon maple]

Akward combo but worth it right?

[molten thicket]

its so little

[frank grove]

im not saying its the best way to do it, but its fun

[ebon maple]

Like the -1 gets countered by the +1 of the level

And you get chips

[molten thicket]

im saying its impossible without insane luck

[fringe nebula]

ship it

[royal bobcat]

shoot the moon there for style points only

[frank grove]

yeah you still need perkeo, anhk and ecto and red seal polychrome glass but its totally doable

just would take a LOT of time

[fringe nebula]

remember guys, trading card is bad because you have -1 discard

[ebon maple]

I do take it right?

[royal bobcat]

trading card is bad indeed

[frank grove]

and you only need like 50 idols which isnt that much actually

[royal bobcat]

its amazing that you managed to win despite trading card

[fringe nebula]

found trading card at ante 2 btw

also took hieroglyph

[green apex]

that plant changed your entire run xD

[fringe nebula]

wrong

[green apex]

wrong?

hmm?

[fringe nebula]

i never add steel enhancement on face cards

i have trust issues with this game

[green apex]

yk what

i should be playing aces instead

[fringe nebula]

or 10s

[green apex]

10s might be better

to shift into jacks once you pass the plant or something idfk

[fringe nebula]

if you do steel aces, you want to manually move them to the right side so the mults you get from shoot the moon/fist will get multiplied by steel

[green apex]

oh thats also something

yeah

[green apex]

typical gold stake

😭

[gilded trellis]

Fr 🥲

[fringe nebula]

you should play yellow deck

[green apex]

typical every deck except yellow deck

[ebon maple]

Fuck

[fringe nebula]

can i have the seed

i'm curious

[ebon maple]

Its really good i think

Sad that i didnt draw my planet but once

Man its so close, 20k

WAIT

I AM ALIVE

I MISSCALCULATED

[green apex]

Ws

[ebon maple]

WHAT

[fringe nebula]

nice

[ebon maple]

Lesgo

But what

175+20+40 of the wee

[fringe nebula]

i'm assuming you're using the death on glass card?

or not?

[ebon maple]

OH

The polychrome

Completemy forgot about it

[ebon maple]

Yes

20x1.5 30k

Yeah i am stupid

What was harder to sticker, satellite or jolly?

[manic talon]

Satellite is an uncommon, which is not only rarer, uncommons also has more jokers in the pool

[ebon maple]

We will go with satellite then

Tysm<3

[manic talon]

Isnt that weird? Youd think there would be more commons than uncommons

[green apex]

wow

there are more uncommons?

how many commons and uncommons are there..

[manic talon]

64 uncs 61 commons

[green apex]

wow

not that big of a difference so its relatively split

but to think that 83% of the jokres are uncommon/common

[frank grove]

Ehh not really given that uncommons show up wayy less in shop

[green apex]

rares are pretty damn rare

[stone shell]

eh, could be rarer

[frank grove]

about 25% of jokers in shop are uncommon compared to 70% for commons

[green apex]

oh yeah

they have weights for shop appearances

[frank grove]

yeah

[manic talon]

Finding a specific uncommon is only like around twice as likely as finding a specific rare

Its a bit less than twice but you get the idea

[ebon maple]

Yeah, was surprises

[stone shell]

is this distribution intended or just a funny thing to point out

[manic talon]

Honestly idk

[royal bobcat]

That's a lot of uncles, Vayn

[echo sphinx]

what do i even do lmao

[knotty zodiac]

i imagine jokers were probably balanced around by power/rarity and then thunk came up with too many cool powerful ideas

[random lark]

riff raff is a common joker

[knotty zodiac]

ya its should probably be nerfed or uncommon

problem is riffraff would suck in later antes

kind of a dead joker if it doesnt really show up early

[random lark]

riffraff saves money in early antes so you can get good econ but yeah it's not good in later antes

[knotty zodiac]

so ya it should probably just be nerfed. a good start would be allowing the gen jokers to be perishable/rental

[manic talon]

They should turn the uncommons into commons to balance the game

[frank grove]

i dont think nerfing riff raff would be fun

[manic talon]

Common card sharp

[stone shell]

take luchador and sell for money in boss blind

[random lark]

only thing i can think of that isn't too much would be making it uncommon

[frank grove]

Yeah

making it uncommon would be fine but just do we need more uncommons?

[fringe nebula]

I'm unironically thinking about replacing runner with juggler here

i have telescope and my straight is level 11

[knotty zodiac]

riffraff is just not very interesting decision-wise. it's basically an instant take when you have empty slots. it makes the round more fun but the shop less so

[frank grove]

its somewhat interesting decision wise, like can i risk selling a scoring joker to get other stuff etc

[ebon maple]

Do i take obelisk? I am very bad with it

[fringe nebula]

not really, i like riff raff because you have to score with whatever riff raff give you

[frank grove]

exactly

[fringe nebula]

with burnt? nope

[stone shell]

tbh i would

[fringe nebula]

burnt joker don't go well with obelisk

[ebon maple]

Oki, tysm

[stone shell]

runner in straight runs is usually just 1.5x on average

[random lark]

makes sense since straight is a high scaling 5 card hand

[knotty zodiac]

making riffraff gen jokers able to be perishable / rental keeps this dynamic alive. just makes it slightly worse at econ, which makes more interesting shop decisions

[vocal rose]

riff raff loses value midgame+

[simple radish]

:ashbaby:

[vocal rose]

something over centralizing like rebate is what needs to be nerfed

[knotty zodiac]

rebate also needs a nerf sure

[frank grove]

i guess the problem with that is that most things that you want from riffraff cant be perishables anyway

[vocal rose]

since you ARE likely being unoptimal if you don't take it no matter what

riff raff has alot more cases where you shouldn't take it

[knotty zodiac]

$3 is probably about right

or $10 per 2 matching cards (no partials)

[random lark]

but i already have seed money + to the moon tho, what more could i possibly want

[frank grove]

yeah either you nerf rebate to 3 or buff everything to the moon

[vocal rose]

making everything else as good just makes the game easy

[stone shell]

how good was rebate even when it was uh

[vocal rose]

I think the game needs to be harder

[stone shell]

it was $4 before right

[vocal rose]

you can get half that value in a round with solely rebate

which is crazy

[knotty zodiac]

yep rebate is my #1 picked joker, 50% more than #2

its broken

[frank grove]

i think a food joker that is econ would be kinda neat

[vocal rose]

but I don't think riff raff is close at all to be needing a nerf

top 2-3 early game pick

[knotty zodiac]

ooh i like this

[vocal rose]

but beyond that it loses value exponentially

[random lark]

an apple a day keeps drspectred away

[knotty zodiac]

the first two antes are the hardest. thats why its so op

(specific decks are exceptions)

[frank grove]

yeah but it being good doesnt mean that it needs a nerf though

[vocal rose]

but it isn't nerf worthy

[random lark]

(specific decks are even worse earlygame)

[stone shell]

tbh i dont like the idea balancing wise

[vocal rose]

its definitely fine as it is

[stone shell]

since a strong econ early will persist thanks to interest

[frank grove]

yeah but like any econ joker does that?

[stone shell]

i would argue more but split attention rn

[random lark]

i genuinely don't know if reserved parking does this

[knotty zodiac]

sure. for ex. black deck with riff raff and black deck without are basically two different decks

[random lark]

good earlygame vs horrendous earlygame

[stone shell]

eh the difference is you always have the choice to either greed that econ or sell out of it eventually

a food econ would mean its a strong eocn that'll pivot itself out

it basically plays itself

[frank grove]

true

[echo sphinx]

if i pick ankh will they eat each other

[stone shell]

yes

[analog estuary]

yeah

[echo sphinx]

fric

[frank grove]

i guess i just want more interesting ways to get money that has a downside, like maybe it should be $4 at end of round for 5 rounds but your chips cant exceed x number or whatever like that one challenge

[analog estuary]

its like a lesbian relationship

[stone shell]

immolate is there at least

[analog estuary]

hard to have madness non eternal

[random lark]

immolate angle

[analog estuary]

or without eternals

[knotty zodiac]

been thinking about this one. how about temporary hands?

Groceries: +3 hands, -1 hand every round

[frank grove]

yeah that works pretty well for scaling as well as econ

[analog estuary]

green deck wet dream

[random lark]

green deck after getting burglar/vagabond

[knotty zodiac]

though it might be too much of a power spike. its better than burglar if you roll right before a8

but 2 rounds is just so short for a food joker

[frank grove]

yeah, its a small boost not a giant boost

[echo sphinx]

ik but itll be reall funny

[stone shell]

its fine since thats not extremely likely

plus seltzer is a no condition full hand retrigger anyway and nobody complains about that being stronger

[analog estuary]

how about misprint? lets you see the next card that you will draw

[random lark]

but you needa lock in (even though this is green stake blue deck)

[echo sphinx]

no need
the deck itself shal carry me

[analog estuary]

easiest deck on easiest stake (anything below blue)

[unreal topaz]

bean is a big power spike for builds like straights, 4oak, etc

those builds just aren't that common

[knotty zodiac]

ok i concede that my idea isnt too op. thank guys xD

[stone shell]

bean is strong in general

but at least its yummy

[random lark]

game difficulty spikes on green stake then blue then purple then gold, the other stakes are usually irrelevant

[unreal topaz]

fs, it's just especially strong when you want to draw a specific hand

[pseudo forum]

This gotta be bait

No way i take it right?

[random lark]

straight builds after getting bean (they're skipping to ante 8 boss):

[stone shell]

trib trust also why do you only have 6 cards

[unreal topaz]

whats the final boss?

if you can take it and survive go for it

[pseudo forum]

Bell

[fringe nebula]

maybe worth considering for golf sticker

gold*

[pseudo forum]

Hung man mega arcana

[minor portal]

⛳

[pseudo forum]

Idk if i can doe

[stone shell]

ah

[pseudo forum]

My deck is mostly lucky heart face cards

[random lark]

flush lv?

[fringe nebula]

can you do it without dusk?

[vocal rose]

how much do you score with one flush only chad

[pseudo forum]

Probably actually

Dusk is getting sold

[unreal topaz]

how much have you been scoring?

with dusk

[pseudo forum]

Like 2 mil

[hidden bear]

Should I take this br in 2k9h9hn

[unreal topaz]

dusk is like 5 extra triggers, which is about x7.6

[pseudo forum]

Its 1.5^5

[unreal topaz]

excluding glass and stuff

[pseudo forum]

So im probably good

[frank grove]

yeah

[knotty zodiac]

ya get the gold sticker if you can live. i'm 107/150 and 1/5 legendaries. dont be me xD

[unreal topaz]

yeah

[fringe nebula]

how???

[random lark]

i think it's time to get rid of the rebate

[pseudo forum]

yesss

[hidden bear]

I meanmn hmm maybe your right

[analog estuary]

basketball - cards have a 25% chance of going back to your hand after playing them, each card now has a 25% chance of giving no chips at all, 25% of giving double chips, 20% of giving triple, 15% of giving 6 times the chips and 15% of permanently increase the card's chip value by 5

[pseudo forum]

What are the fkn odds

[analog estuary]

i know i know im a genius

[pseudo forum]

Trib

[knotty zodiac]

either no souls or i didnt take souls srsly until 50-60 in and have only found 1 since then.

dont remember exactly

[unreal topaz]

what legendaries have you gotten gold stickers for?

[pseudo forum]

Always worth it

[frank grove]

well if you havent stickered trib and every other leg is stickered its just trib if you have its 1/5

[pseudo forum]

I win if

[unreal topaz]

why is that?

[frank grove]

I dont take souls in some ante 8 runs just cause they seem to show up for me kinda late in runs when they usually wont do too much

[pseudo forum]

I got gold only on rick

[unreal topaz]

sometimes you cant afford to give up the joker slot but usually i have a value generator i can sell

[pseudo forum]

Black and orange on others

[unreal topaz]

for a soul

[knotty zodiac]

i open all the arcana packs i can afford and that's most of them post ante 2. idk

[unreal topaz]

maybe i sell my chip joker bc blue seals took over

[hidden bear]

TY the ante 15 ecto hit a bp

[unreal topaz]

yeah but why not take soul seriously

[knotty zodiac]

i think i was focused on c+

[unreal topaz]

i get getting rolled by the odds but like

[knotty zodiac]

i finished c+ with around 50

[unreal topaz]

legendaries help with that

usually

[knotty zodiac]

i prob undervalued souls on the climb up

i think my first impression of getting trib on my bus builds a few times didnt help

[lyric karma]

is there a page to check what things a seed has?

like, what jokers, what blinds and stuff

[unreal topaz]

look up blueprint seed analyzer

[lyric karma]

Thanks

[fringe nebula]

L68SU9WS, checkered deck gold stake

i tried this seed after seeing doc's vid on it, and it's genuinely cursed lmao

[stone shell]

i'll take a look at it

any heads up info or nah

[fringe nebula]

play it blind

for the funny

[frank grove]

i tried it too and .. its so horrible

[pseudo forum]

Sell bloodstone for cola gold sticker? 👀

[fringe nebula]

absolutely not

[rotund sigil]

I’m kinda new but I thought this was kinda cool

[glad shore]

Wheel of fortune

[fringe nebula]

ancient on checkered deck.....

[stone shell]

checkered deck is so sad

[rotund sigil]

I emphasize the (kinda new)

[pseudo forum]

50/50 you survive

[rotund sigil]

Yes I learned the next ante

[stone shell]

they'll fix the deck into normality trust :copium:

[glad shore]

I got poly chrome form a Wof

[rotund sigil]

Danggg

[glad shore]

And it didnt hit banna

[pseudo forum]

Cola angle to get gold sticker

I think its wise no?

I can survive with trib and chad

And sell dice too

Thoughts

[fringe nebula]

play it safe

don't greed

well

[random lark]

smeared jokee angle

[fringe nebula]

maybe taking popcorn is worth it

[pseudo forum]

But i got flush house kings and queens

[frank grove]

popcorn is 100% worth getting out of the way

[pseudo forum]

Exactly

[fringe nebula]

take only popcorn

[pseudo forum]

Popcorn and cola id still make it

[fringe nebula]

you can do cola later

[pseudo forum]

I got red seal kings

[fringe nebula]

or

[frank grove]

i mean you can take both unless you have luckys, what is oops doing

[fringe nebula]

ok

yeah

take both

[rotund sigil]

dosent that just make the 50/50 an even more 50/50 bcuz hearts are spades

[stone shell]

unrelated but can i fq you

[noble shuttle]

If you're doing C++ and have all Gold Stake jokers in your slots just take it cause if you don't and win, you get nothing :3

[pseudo forum]

Everything lucky pretty much but i got some red seal steel kinds

[fringe nebula]

what is fq?

[stone shell]

friend request

[random lark]

no it makes it so hearts are also diamonds and spades are also clubs so you either go spades ina round or hearts in a round

[fringe nebula]

i'm always open

[rotund sigil]

Ohhhhhhhh ok ok

[frank grove]

yeah take both

[maiden gust]

Well, thanks mister bones. It’s my first gold bet win

[rotund sigil]

Then yea smeared
Joker would have been great

[fringe nebula]

gg

[lyric karma]

I just looked it up

What atrocious shops

[fringe nebula]

I KNOW RIGHT

holy shit

[frank grove]

yeah its genuinely down to luck for a few blinds there

[unreal topaz]

ahhhh

tough decision

[fringe nebula]

oof

credit card in buffoon pack

[ancient gyro]

minus

[unreal topaz]

i'm taking midas

i've decided

[stark charm]

why dont credit card debt have interest for funsy

[stone shell]

wouldve taken square but idk yall are better than me

[ancient gyro]

well they're not in immediate danger

[fringe nebula]

midas is really really good

[ancient gyro]

midas has a far better econ snowball that can translate into more options later

[unreal topaz]

if i survive i'll be in a good spot

couldn't find other scoring

had a buffoon pack miss

[stone shell]

tbh i ignored that it was blue deck and thought they were in immediate scoring danger

[pale wolf]

waoh is that balatro

[stone shell]

no its silksong

new update

[pale wolf]

i lov balatrizmo

[simple radish]

no it's minecraft

the fuck?

ASUKA

[hidden bear]

Is burglar and golden ticket a good econ strat for 2k9h9hn I haven't added the red seal on my polychrome queen yet

[hidden bear]

Yes me

[edgy stone]

Idol my beloved

[unreal topaz]

yeahhhh i had to take square

unfortunate

i really wanted midas to work

[hidden bear]

Ripp

[simple radish]

man i like balatro

it's fun

[unreal topaz]

you would have lived

good on ya for being safe

[stone shell]

safe but no econ 😔

[edgy stone]

Hope for vampire, just believe

[fringe nebula]

the greed is strong

[stone shell]

we should do a balatro gold stake tier list

for members

[unreal topaz]

start of ante 3 had trading card

so you woulda had econ soon enough

[turbid smelt]

Do ppl actually use obelisk

[fringe nebula]

yes

[unreal topaz]

yep!

[stone shell]

yes

if you say it sucks

[fringe nebula]

obelisk is literally one of the best xmult you can get

[turbid smelt]

I hate it

[edgy stone]

Joker or deck?

[stone shell]

just dont zone in on a specific hand

[turbid smelt]

It always resets

Eventually

No matter what u do

[unreal topaz]

skill issue

[turbid smelt]

It can screw u over

[frank grove]

well yeah eventually it will but like just dont start scaling it until just before you need it and then you're fine

[fringe nebula]

heh

[stone shell]

the inevitability of obelisk toppling doesnt matter if you win beforehand

[unreal topaz]

the blinds outscale me every time, even when i think i'm doing a risky setup

[turbid smelt]

It sucks for endless

[unreal topaz]

even with stuntman i've made it work pretty damn well

[fringe nebula]

obelisk isn't meant for endless at all???

[frank grove]

90% of jokers in the game suck for endless

[unreal topaz]

yeah, it specializes in carrying gold stake runs over the finish line

[stone shell]

then youre putting obelisk in the wrong situation

[turbid smelt]

I feel I always rely on it as my xmult

[peak blade]

umbrellas are also bad at putting out fires, that doesnt mean they are useless

[fringe nebula]

almost every single joker in balatro sucks for endless

only retrigger-able ones can survive

[turbid smelt]

And then it screw me over late game

[echo sphinx]

its kinda like saying idol is good in 8 ante cuz its good for endless

[stone shell]

umbrellas are good for fencing trust

[peak blade]

balatroinely

[unreal topaz]

by late game what do you mean?

[turbid smelt]

Like ante 7-8

[unreal topaz]

oh so you either didn't set it up properly or didn't play enough of a variety of hands

[fringe nebula]

^

[edgy stone]

You are just baiting me

[peak blade]

i would say obelisk is the hardest joker to utilize correctly but it has a lot of potential

[turbid smelt]

It always evens out

The hands

[turbid smelt]

100%

I always use it on

[fringe nebula]

i think utilizing flower pot is harder lmao

[turbid smelt]

I’m on an obelisk run rn

[turbid smelt]

Flowerpot+paintbrush

[edgy stone]

Skip blind if u dont wanna be out hand

[frank grove]

obelisk is not that hard to uise

[frank notch]

Not Yorick again

[frank grove]

just look at what hands you have played

[peak blade]

flower pot is more of an rng check unless you have smeared or something to assist it

[fringe nebula]

obelisk is not that hard to use yeah

[frank notch]

and the eye is the next blind

[stone shell]

after youre done play monolith

[fringe nebula]

especially when you have played 20 pairs or something

[turbid smelt]

Is won’t scale then

[stone shell]

you need an obelisk tutorial

[frank grove]

it also wont reset!!

[turbid smelt]

I know how to use it

[echo sphinx]

may i introduce u to splash flowerpot

[stone shell]

just play 3 wildcards every hand

[echo sphinx]

||(still bad cuz its 2 joker slots)||

[fringe nebula]

splash is a cheatcode

i meant actually using flower pot

[echo sphinx]

gambling for enough wilds

[fringe nebula]

or do 2 pair gamba 🗣️

[echo sphinx]

i havent learned how to build around obelisk yet

[echo sphinx]

[frank grove]

the only problem with wilds is they dont really work cause they get fucked by too many boss blinds

[stone shell]

surely the next update will buff them hard enough

[fringe nebula]

depends, do you go the easy route by playing 15 pairs, or do you go the extreme route by using obelisk after playing 7 pairs

[frank grove]

if they still get debuffed by bosses then they are useless if they dont get debuffed then they could be kinda nice

[echo sphinx]

imagine if the next update is "rare, x1.5 for every different symbol"

[echo sphinx]

rip. right

forgot abt ante 1 and its 4 variations

[hollow nebula]

I wanna play black stake and get blue stake so I can get Plasma deck today

Wish me luck

[echo sphinx]

do i take planets on an obelisk run tho

i feel like i shouldnt and just span tarots on the deck

[stone shell]

isnt blue deck one of the first decks 😭

[fringe nebula]

absolutely

especially 3oak

[hollow nebula]

I meant black and blue stake

[frank grove]

yeah

[simple radish]

recently @unborn flax unlocked the magic deck

she's sleeping right now tho

i use her account to play bc i dont have it/can't afford it on my own

[fringe nebula]

also, you can use stone cards/hierophant if you need chips

[hollow nebula]

Would help, I'm pretty sure you cna just switch between two hands in an obelisk run

I'm pretty beginner at the game so correct me if I'm wrong

[echo sphinx]

huh

[upbeat burrow]

where the fuck was the mime bro🥀

[frank grove]

when scaling it you can bounce between a couple hands as long as its not the most played one ofc

like 2pair, full house, 3oak

[echo sphinx]

most played hand can be tied
if pair and high card is played 8 times
playing either breaks the thing

[fringe nebula]

you can't

[echo sphinx]

but i like the thinkijg

[echo sphinx]

huh

i thought the more econ efficient option is to add more card enhancements and jokers instead of planets

[frank grove]

stone cards for 50 chips goes a long way when you need chips with obelisk, bonus cards are nice as well for chips when you havent scaled many ahnds

[echo sphinx]

h m

[hollow nebula]

Ohh

[fringe nebula]

both are good

[hollow nebula]

Yeah that makes sense

Thanks

[echo sphinx]

yw

[echo sphinx]

if i can only take one which should i opt for (that isn't a joker)

[unreal topaz]

guess i'll be getting the best legendaries out of the way huh

vagabond+canio is also a combo

[echo sphinx]

holy deck

[fringe nebula]

you have to use both

[stone shell]

gotta use everything the game offers

except if youre the doc who doesnt need jokers on black deck

[echo sphinx]

does gold stake even offer enough cash for that

[blissful fog]

If you manage your econ enough

[ancient gyro]

ideally you'll like to have a backup/pivot option

[ancient gyro]

o

[echo sphinx]

die

5 dollar interest per round is barely enough for anyhtn

[stone shell]

its enough for a pack tbf

and those are pretty useful

[blissful fog]

Or just saving the money

[ancient gyro]

i beg to differ

[echo sphinx]

fair

can it afford 2 tho

[mystic ledge]

i want to keep merry andy for completionist but it seems dusk is the play to secure the win T_T

[stone shell]

do you need a pack every shop

[echo sphinx]

econ joker spotted
also wtf deck. cracked

[echo sphinx]

ideally for planets and tarots

[ancient gyro]

you don't need those every round

[echo sphinx]

ill think twice with a joker packet

[ancient gyro]

buffoon packs usually have the best opportunity value for its cost

early

[echo sphinx]

i should probably switch out of black deck

[ancient gyro]

black deck comes after you have nothing else to learn from the game

[echo sphinx]

should i tackle the challenge decks

[ancient gyro]

up to you

[echo sphinx]

wp

where cash

[ancient gyro]

they don't have too much to teach other than maybe monolith and jokerless for specific optimization improvements

[echo sphinx]

wait
how

[ancient gyro]

how what

[echo sphinx]

negative fifty seven gold

[ancient gyro]

yeah

just a couple of rentals

and 🦷

[echo sphinx]

o h

damn

vagabond is holding the run together om

[vale widget]

Wee joker I love you but I just removed 3 2s from my deck

[ancient gyro]

what vagabond

[vale widget]

But tbh I might still try

[vocal rose]

so add back 2s

[echo sphinx]

rip

[vale widget]

Wee is that good tbh I should just ditch smiley

Risky choice but it'll turn out well TRUST

[echo sphinx]

mistaken burnt for vaga oops

🤦

[keen vine]

❤️

[echo sphinx]

🔥 🔥

[woven spire]

is black deck the boss of balatro 😭 ???

[echo sphinx]

-1 Hand

[deep meteor]

Ah yes, the ever so famous "ChadChadChadMailPhotoPhoto" combination

[woven spire]

i know what it does yeah

[echo sphinx]

(but u get a joker slot)

its hella bad

most decks are "here, have something"

black deck takes it away and makes an empty promise in the form of +1 slot

[turbid smelt]

Thinking about making a improved blueprint ui website would anyone help with hosting?

The ui kinda makes it unusable

Especially on phone

[frank grove]

I would just contribute to the blueprints site

[grim escarp]

Roffle video be like

[turbid smelt]

Like donate

?

[frank grove]

they're open source with a github

[grim escarp]

Yeah

There's multiple ones even

[frank grove]

yeah blueprint is one of the better ones

[turbid smelt]

The ui sucks tho

[grim escarp]

I think it's probably the most downloaded one lol

[frank grove]

the ui is good enough for the people that need to use it

[grim escarp]

Agree

Like

[frank grove]

its a niche thing to use anyway

[grim escarp]

What else would you do to it

[ancient gyro]

the challenge deck that's not the challenge decks

[frank grove]

the default look is a little "ooooh padding" so fix that but other than that? idk

[turbid smelt]

I would prefer like it looks like the actual Balatro game

[frank grove]

that would be horrible for ux

[turbid smelt]

It’s a lil complex

[grim escarp]

Yeaaa

[frank grove]

there are way too many buttons that would need to be implimented and balatros font is borderline unreadable at a certain font size

[turbid smelt]

There’s no re roll button

That’s so needed

Instead of scrolling through the joker pool

[frank grove]

that would be horrible ux what?

it makes sense to show what shows up in the shop in order

rather than 2/3/4 at a time

[turbid smelt]

Is there a mod to see my seed before ante 8

[terse vale]

the only problem I have with balatro ui is navigating to challenges

but like thats it

its a tiny bit tedious

[turbid smelt]

We are talking about blueprint

[ember plinth]

yeah its a fucking pain

[frank grove]

this is specifically talking about the seed analyzer blueprint

[terse vale]

ooohhhh

mybad

[frank grove]

but yeah this blows

[grim escarp]

Mhm

[turbid smelt]

Anyone beat joker less here

?

[royal bobcat]

yes

[frank grove]

Ive beat it like 4 times

[turbid smelt]

It’s so hard

[ancient gyro]

a lot of ppl

[turbid smelt]

Harder than gold stake

[royal bobcat]

its definitely not lol

[ancient gyro]

no lol

[ember plinth]

jokerless is just

boring

[royal bobcat]

thats so not true

[frank grove]

its very slow going

[royal bobcat]

ure lame

[grim escarp]

You just gotta figure out the strat and you win

[royal bobcat]

you hate tarots ure lame

[frank grove]

like runs take a while cause every decision matters

[spark kernel]

Holy shop

[frank grove]

which is fun

[edgy stone]

Anyone beat jokerless gold stake?

[ember plinth]

like i feel like theres not much difficulty to jokerless aside from clicking r

[royal bobcat]

id play jokerless gold stake if it had the rules of the jokerless challenge

otherwise the shop is bloated with jokers

and that would be 2 hard 4 me

[frank grove]

the differences are less pronounced on jokerless cause the shops are still good

[sullen aspen]

there is no way I just killed my drivers license with dagger

[ancient gyro]

sort of

[sullen aspen]

[royal bobcat]

gj

[frank grove]

i think i did like 1.1m on jokerless once

[edgy stone]

I knew its hard but do you know anyone have beated it?

[ember plinth]

and hoping you get to scale your planets or get a blue seal or if ur super lucky an early tele

or like you somehow always live through glass

[ancient gyro]

a good amount of ppl

[edgy stone]

Holy molly!!

[royal bobcat]

yeah

dr spectred did it on black deck too

[grim escarp]

Oh btw chat I need help with somethingggg

[ancient gyro]

gs jokerless is just purple stake jokerless and depending on your availability, with/without joker bloat

[karmic skiff]

https://giphy.com/gifs/flower-whimsical-meowl-lollipop-m436TxEZ6kRRy8LNoo

[frank grove]

a couple people have done black deck gold stake jokerless without the rules of the challenge (jokers still showed up in the shop but they cant take them)

[edgy stone]

Which deck dđi u use?

[ancient gyro]

blue

[royal bobcat]

idk that just sounds horrible to play

[frank grove]

yeah with the rules of the challenge would be more fun

[ember plinth]

i mean that's the point

[royal bobcat]

reset land

jokerless isn't horrible to play

jokerless is fun

[ancient gyro]

500 reset hours

[ember plinth]

i feel like people doing that are just masochists

[frank grove]

yeah but with jokers still clogging shop it sucks more than usual jokerless

[grim escarp]

Should I get invis and then search for DNA? Or do I keep going? ( My max score with this set up is e50)

[ebon maple]

@fringe nebula BCF65NC6
The seed

[ember plinth]

anyways hardest challenge is probably like

needle?

[royal bobcat]

like runs where you need to reroll to win are just bad

golden needle maybe

[ancient gyro]

in terms of consistency yeah

[royal bobcat]

probably

[frank grove]

yeah

[royal bobcat]

it is

cruelty aint too bad

[frank grove]

curelty is fine

[ancient gyro]

if you're going to do a challenge run gauntlet, gn will end the most of your runs

[royal bobcat]

when you played gold stake

cuz you need 1/4 of the scoring

and yuo can ez do that with 3 jokers

[ancient gyro]

blast off is deceptively difficult

[royal bobcat]

whats blast off? the rocket constellation run?

[ancient gyro]

yeah

2 hands

2 discards

[frank grove]

and only 2 free slots for jokers

its a toughy

[royal bobcat]

the only challenge i died in other than jokerless and golden needle was fragile cuz im stupid

i like fragile

its a cool challenge

not very replayable

[ember plinth]

i had a rly funny moment in my run of that challenge that doesn't let u take jokers past ante 4 where i was using tele + stencil

[royal bobcat]

but challenges arent rly meant to be replayable

[edgy stone]

Any new challenge in next update?

[ancient gyro]

a few hinted

[frank grove]

maybe?

[ember plinth]

and i got to thr challenge point and all of a sudden i had 0 mult and no joker

[royal bobcat]

wheres the banan challenge where everything is banan

[frank grove]

what has been hinted so far?

[ember plinth]

i do wonder

if we are getting black deck buffs

[frank grove]

we arent

[ember plinth]

and maybe toning down plasma scaling

[royal bobcat]

nah

[ancient gyro]

just more challenges. will probably be rearranged based on difficulty with the exception of jokerless being the last challenge

[frank grove]

i think thunk has already said he likes black deck being the difficult deck

[royal bobcat]

i think decks r fine rn

[ember plinth]

makes sense

[edgy stone]

Black deck is amazing for endless run

[frank grove]

i would LOVE some new decks though

[ancient gyro]

meh

[ember plinth]

just nerf rebate n we good

[royal bobcat]

i think theres room to make silly runs

[ancient gyro]

nebula is the only deck that should warrant a change

[ember plinth]

id love if checkered was made more dynamic

[edgy stone]

No

[ancient gyro]

plasmas gimmick is fine, it's the only deck that doesn't default to pairs

[ember plinth]

but i understand why not

[pale wolf]

Pen Cannoc

[ancient gyro]

rule 2

[frank grove]

nebula is so unfun to play

[ember plinth]

i hate that rebate is so good that it makes it a must take as a normal

[pale wolf]

who r u

[ember plinth]

i love nebula

i like having consistent chips

[ancient gyro]

you but cooler

[royal bobcat]

i hate nebula

[pale wolf]

if i was a chair people would sit in me

[ember plinth]

in?

[royal bobcat]

actually decks aren't fine i wish thunk would remove nebula from the game

[ember plinth]

tf kinda chair u are

[pale wolf]

you sit in a chair yea

i think

[frank grove]

nebula has such good art for it being so unfun to play around

[pale wolf]

in a seat? on a chair?

[ember plinth]

isnt it on i might be drunk

[edgy stone]

Yes and it got nerfed in blue stake

[pale wolf]

hmm

[tepid lava]

lets go migraine

[ember plinth]

yeah and its still way better than every other econ joker together lol

[frank grove]

yeah but blue stake is getting reworked so rebate will be insane again and its already the best econ in the game

[pale wolf]

rebate will probably be $3 though

[ancient gyro]

"consistent chips"

inconsistent celestial pack frequency
no direct early game setup to kickstart deck benefits
greater risk to certain boss blinds
less room for pivot
less blue seal value
-1 consumable slot is shit

[frank grove]

-1 consumable slot is so boring you cant do anything fun like tarot or planet block

[royal bobcat]

we HATE nebula for real it cant pivot

[pale wolf]

-1 consumable slot is like -50% efficiency for card blocking

[royal bobcat]

i hate nebula because managing tarots is fun and nebula hates that

gr

rrr

[ancient gyro]

while still being the best joker in the game to the point where a lot of ppl are well aware it's not gonna get away scotch free

next patch

[frank grove]

yeah but still blows

[ember plinth]

i think its just a default run with a layer of extra consistency which feels chill for me

[pale wolf]

nebula could get removed from the game and i wouldnt notice for a while

[vestal copper]

the most sus sentence ive ever seen

[royal bobcat]

not to mention you start with telescope but oNLY HAVE ONE SLOT FOR OBSERVATORY

[ember plinth]

i mean like what else would u do as a chair

would u rather people not sit on you

that'd make you an useless chair

[edgy stone]

I think blue stake dont need reworking. It's just hard in blue stake when we dont get used to it

[pale wolf]

yea and kanjikun is a chair

[ancient gyro]

consistency isn't exclusive to being locked into one play style and nerfing one of the most acclaimed planet sources in the game (blue seals)

[royal bobcat]

i need to be a chair

idk if blue seals are "acclaimed"

[pale wolf]

they're revered

worshipped

[royal bobcat]

i can easily find blue seals haters

[ancient gyro]

thankfully we have someone else in charge of balancing

[royal bobcat]

isn't dr specterd a blue seal hater

[frank grove]

people hate blue seals the same reason people hate rebate its too strong

[royal bobcat]

you dont get blue seals every run

[ember plinth]

i think blue seals are way too important for how inconsistent to find they are

[royal bobcat]

so like

[pale wolf]

the people most used to blue stake are the ones that know it needs to change lol

[ancient gyro]

he hates good things for how stale it warps your games into a here win

[royal bobcat]

its fine

i dont get blue seals every run

id say i get relevant blue seals once every six or seven runs

[pale wolf]

rough

[royal bobcat]

hald the time i have blue seals i cant find em

[frank grove]

yeah of course, but the ones you dont get blue seals on are the ones that are interesting or at least tough

[royal bobcat]

skill issue probbaly

but still

[ancient gyro]

it's not a do you get it every run. it's when you see one, you always take it kind of deal

[royal bobcat]

its only as strong as you're good at the game

[ember plinth]

also it kinda makes spectral feel rly shit

[frank grove]

to be fair most spectrals dont help too much in ante 8 anyway

[ember plinth]

bc you either get immo or blue seal and ur run is great

[royal bobcat]

nerfing blue seals also nerf spectrals also idk how you could nerf blue seals and not make them feel like shit

[ember plinth]

or you wasted money

[royal bobcat]

ankh and hex and ecto crying

and medium

[frank grove]

you dont nerf them youj make them do something else

[ember plinth]

probably making it so spectrals aren't awful

[ancient gyro]

there was already a change hinted while thunkard saying that it'll still be the strongest seal if the blue seal change becomes final

[royal bobcat]

ouija needs to be just changed

like make it a whole other card

nobody every uses ouija

[frank grove]

ouija can still do it what it does just the hand size is a tough sell for that

[manic talon]

luigi doesnt need the -1 handsize debuff honestly

let people play 4oak

[royal bobcat]

i mean immo has no downside why would ouija have one

[ancient gyro]

for your immolate trance pulls, you have the ouigi sigilyph spectrals on the other end of the spectral

[royal bobcat]

thats true actually remove the downside

[ember plinth]

also

[manic talon]

Immolate's downside is that you get 20 dollars

[pale wolf]

thunk is legit

[royal bobcat]

FUCK

[ember plinth]

riff raff should be an uncommon

[royal bobcat]

i HATE money cue the ussr anthem

[manic talon]

its a red card blue seal, its not even that bad

[ancient gyro]

it killed all of my blue seals 🥀

[turbid dove]

Look whos back yall

[royal bobcat]

gold blue seal on a red card with blackboard 💔

tuff deck

[ancient gyro]

we have suit changing technology

[royal bobcat]

suit changers aren't real

[ember plinth]

me wildcarding to suit change

acrually

we gotta be getting wildcard buffs right

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[frank grove]

yes, we have no idea what they are

we do know that they probably wont act as all ranks though

since thunk said thats confusing

[ancient gyro]

that's been ruled out

[ember plinth]

watch it be you turn two cards into wildcards instead of one

[ancient gyro]

no

[frank grove]

that also has been ruled out iirc?

[vestal copper]

just making them undebuffable would be great

[ancient gyro]

wild cards will still suck and it's already given that it will only need 1 enhancement

[ember plinth]

its fine if thry are bad

its just rn they are worse than bad

they are probably more detrimental than help you in average lol

[ancient gyro]

not according to the man behind the pen

[manic talon]

sources tell me theyre gonna be wild

[ember plinth]

r they gonna impact cards too

[royal bobcat]

impact this

[ancient gyro]

tarots/enhancements should provide some form of dynamic play and wild cards do not perform as such in the majority of conditions

[frank grove]

I cant imagine how insanely active this channel is going to be once 1.1 hits

[ember plinth]

tbf theres a few jokers that do benefit from it

but the level of deckfixing needed to make it work

is ridiculous

and unfeasible

[ancient gyro]

applying 2 wilds wouldn't make a dramatic difference either without it being "dynamic"

[frank grove]

I hope once they get buffed in some way there is a few more jokers that works well with them

[ancient gyro]

waiter waiter more suit jokers

[vestal copper]

really fucking active

[ebon maple]

Do i take it?

Going down money with 2 rentals scares me

[ancient gyro]

sure

[vestal copper]

just hit temperances :clueless:

[ancient gyro]

doable

[ebon maple]

Man i wish temp wasnt affected by rentals

[frank grove]

yeah its going to be a lot.. 😭

[vestal copper]

if your entire joker layout isnt rental you arent using true vaga

[edgy stone]

Do ya guys think campfire is only strong in Gold Stake?

[manic talon]

campfire is insane on any stake

[frank grove]

Its slightly less strong on other stakes but still great

[manic talon]

the rental thing is just a slight buff

[terse vale]

if its strong on gold stake its strong in any stake

[umbral fable]

Guys, whats the crystal ball voucher??

[frank grove]

adds an extra consumable slot

[umbral fable]

Ooo ty

[terse vale]

split and spilt fucks me uuuup

[vestal copper]

campfire is s+ tier

[echo sphinx]

its pretty good i think

without it its duo but gimmick

[ancient gyro]

rental plus 15 dollar rerolls 🗣️

[ebon maple]

Busted combo

[vestal copper]

chigoat momento

[ebon maple]

Man i am repenting so much taking the straights

😭😭😭

[ancient gyro]

it came at a rather hilarious time

[royal bobcat]

[royal bobcat]

Conversion therapy

[vestal copper]

why did u kill a brainstrom for it tho

[royal bobcat]

Church be like

[ancient gyro]

didn't need it

[solemn sonnet]

[vestal copper]

gg chad

[frank grove]

when my photo chads

[vestal copper]

roffle energy

[jolly relic]

love that i realised i can just hate my parents

[edgy stone]

But campfire need a joker slot reserve, right?

[ancient gyro]

this is not how you revive chat

[ancient gyro]

no

[jolly relic]

what

[ancient gyro]

consumables are campfires main fuel source

[frank grove]

you can sell consumables so no not necessarily

[ancient gyro]

and money

a decent econ joker can make up or improve the campfire cap for each ante if/when needed

[frank grove]

yeah plus a ton of tarots and planets arent going to be super useful when you need campfire scaling anyway

[ancient gyro]

you're not in complete control of what tags each joker comes with

[frank grove]

yeah

is eternal sticker chances the same as the other two?

[upbeat burrow]

negatives yet i cant find chad or a jupiter

[ancient gyro]

rentals can apply to any joker. perishables can't be applied to non campfire/htr proactive scalers. eternals can't be applied to natural perishables via food and selling effect jokers. eternals and perishables cannot coexist. otherwise it's a flat 30%