🕹・game-discussion

[dark cairn]

i saw the achievement so yes i did

[sinful meteor]

Do I give up idol here?

[dark cairn]

egg + dagger truly is a busted combo

I would've waited longer to kill the egg for an absolutely stupid amount of mult but im starting to struggle on scoring so

[upbeat burrow]

Why Idol?

[twin lantern]

I like it

[distant vault]

My beloved

[timid maple]

feels good

[twin lantern]

No money

L

[dark cairn]

great and i die to the wall because this game blows chunks

every fucking time i get something fun

it has to spawn the shittiest boss

at the shittiest time

and give me absolutely zero ways to deal with it

thanks localthunk go fuck yourself

[unborn cliff]

just dropped FIFTY dollars on the gros michel plush

[cloud sinew]

Chill

it is not that serious

[ancient gyro]

real

I have a funny idea

[errant bolt]

That's just the nature of roguelikes/lites/etc

Sometimes rng just fucks you

[cloud sinew]

its usually not an issue of RNG but rather improper planning

[errant bolt]

Well both

Great planning can only do so much if you can't get what you need

[cloud sinew]

All runs are winnable*.
-# no unwinnable runs have been found, and its easier to prove there exists an unwinnable run than all runs being winnable

[errant bolt]

You know what I mean

[cloud sinew]

I do but I disagree

[errant bolt]

I've had runs fizzle out simply because the game refused to give me good xmult jokers, for instance

[cloud sinew]

ive never had a run where i lost to RNG rather than mistakes i made

[errant bolt]

Then again I'm still a ways away from C+, let alone C++

[dark cairn]

All runs are winnable*
*if you examine the seed prior to playing it
**or if you're playing on white stake

[errant bolt]

I feel like I'm going to struggle when I get to the point where I can't put off golds any more, I'm addicted to flush builds and they're a PITA to try and get going on gold

Might have to give in to the pairslop...

[bitter schooner]

Crazy chad run

[vestal copper]

all gold stake runs are winnable if you are doc

[pulsar rune]

I just unlocked black deck gold stake, which is the last one I need for C+. Anyone have any tips before I try this? I know it’s going to take a while regardless

[dark cairn]

Nope even he still loses semi regularly nowadays

[ancient gyro]

quote the blue deck gs loss

[strange compass]

OH NO WAY I CAN USE WRAITH ECON IS TOO IMPORTANT

[granite tusk]

do i need palette to naneninf?

or should i go for burglar now

[cloud sinew]

Thats just not what I said at all

even on gold stake without foresight the "hardest" seeds people have found have still been beaten

[cloud sinew]

He isnt a perfect player, and doesnt try to be. Even he takes things because theyre fun rather than optimal

[dark cairn]

by people repeatedly bashing their heads against a brick wall until the most obtuse unnatural strategy works?

that doesnt count

[cloud sinew]

Thats a vague rule you can apply whenever you disagree with the outcome

[dark cairn]

completions dont count if you use a specific seed

so trying the same seed again isnt viable

so if it takes multiple attempts to beat the same seed

it doesn't count

[cloud sinew]

then how can you evaluate if a seed is unwinnable lmao

[dark cairn]

not for c+/c++ standards anyway

[cloud sinew]

if you cant use a seed

[strange compass]

"Dw bro just get every 8ball proc to win this seed"

[turbid dove]

I love the rocket

[cloud sinew]

Thats not what I said at all

[dark cairn]

if i am killed for playing the way i am supposed to be playing that is bullshit

[cloud sinew]

"Supposed to be"?

how are you supposed to be playing?

[dark cairn]

oops all pairs 90% of the time depending on the context

[stone shell]

since im sure i need scoring in the future do i sell drunkard or juggler in the future

[dark cairn]

theres too much going on to explain in actual detail

[cloud sinew]

Then you have no argument

If you cant explain it

[dark cairn]

thats why drspectreds videos are so long

because he has to take like 5 minutes to explain everything hes doing

[cloud sinew]

he doesnt have to, he likes to

[dark cairn]

lalala i cant hear you ass argument

[strange compass]

Juggler cuz you're playing straights

[stone shell]

hes explaining the downsides of blueprint that might come back to bite him

[dark cairn]

"You have no argument because you can't explain the proper way to play without writing an entire essay on the ins and outs of the game"

[cloud sinew]

You said "theres too much going on to explain". You explicitly said that you cannot explain yourself

[strange compass]

Have almost never faced those downsides

[stone shell]

i mean theres considerations

especially on gold stake

[dark cairn]

I literally just did i just said that explaining in actual detail takes too long

try reading for once in your life maybe

[waxen quartz]

do you value handsize or another discard for what you're playing now/will possibly play?

[strange compass]

Oh wait juggler is size

[stone shell]

i dont know thats why im asking 😭

[cloud sinew]

if you cant, or are refusing to, explain your position then you don't have any points to be argued against.

[strange compass]

I always think he gives hand

[stone shell]

idk if i prefer raw consistency or potential gold/steel

[waxen quartz]

rental juggler is a bit painful tbh

[stone shell]

esp with ACTUAL SUPERPOSITION VALUE

[dark cairn]

that was literally the first thing i did but sure

[stone shell]

like i am playing 2 STRAIGHTS A ROUND INSTEAD OF 1

[cloud sinew]

why are you being so passive aggressive

[strange compass]

Keep juggler

[stone shell]

ITS DOUBLE THE USUAL

[strange compass]

Hand size is too important for five cards

[waxen quartz]

but you're playing straights too, you don't know which rank will get bottom decked on you

[cloud sinew]

im not engaging in this convo anymore

[stone shell]

ykw we'll cross that line when we get there

if i get more gold and steel ill sell drunkard

[strange compass]

What is this achievement

[tender quarry]

There are inevitably many seeds that optimal play doesn't win

This isn't the reason any of us (including Doc) are losing though

[granite tusk]

back to this does anyone know if i need pallette?

the guide says it's necessary but i dont see how

[granite tusk]

no rerolls

in a run

[waxen quartz]

it helps, lets you ecto again?

[stone shell]

watch all 3 glass break

just the queen wow

[strange compass]

Oh I didn't even notice. I had double polychrome constellation + ramen and baseball card

[stone shell]

this seed hates women/j

[strange compass]

It's too strong

[unborn cliff]

jimbo is misogynist

source: me

[waxen quartz]

meh. you have the $ to find burglar, but don't know if it's enough

[granite tusk]

yeah i think i'll just keep stacking till ante 31

ive been getting unlucky on the rerolls spent 500 two times in a row

for serpent

im assuming plasma serpent is the only way to naneinf without perkeo right?

[strange compass]

Yes

[waxen quartz]

it's the only reasonable way. a handful of seeds get enough copy jokers to do it

[exotic mica]

i just wasted 8 double tags on hand size 😭

33 cards in my hand tho

[stone shell]

but

why did you skip

[exotic mica]

cause i wasnt thinking

"ooh three extra handsize"

"what the FUCK"

[mystic vale]

how do you get 8 double tags

[waxen quartz]

3 baron 2 mime = 56 in hand, which I don't think is possible. 4 baron 2 mime = 45 in hand...

[exotic mica]

anaglyph deck

gives a double tag when boss blind is defeated

[hard mantle]

i should design synthetic singer jokers...

[stone shell]

lowk we went through too many cards that blind

2 cards left

in hand not in deck

i think im at a point where i want to value juggler but my deck just isnt really reaping much from him

[weak relic]

Has anyone actually utilized 8ball like building around that joker?

Like retriggers, creating more 8s or smth

[stone shell]

i have yeah

still barely procs though

[weak relic]

Much like what those mfs in r/balatro would tell you to do

Very stinky

[terse vale]

yes

maany people

mostly 4oak

[weak relic]

I genuinely despise that card

Much like how I hate baron

[terse vale]

look

[stone shell]

runs dead gg

shouldve discarded harder

[sullen apex]

You have bones tho

[stone shell]

not enough score even with bones

only got like 30k

[waxen quartz]

you can see all but 3 cards...

oh mouth. sad

[weak relic]

Had a better idea for 4oaks than just using 8s unless im forced to cuz probably erratic deck stuffs

[errant bolt]

I love retriggers

[bitter schooner]

I FORGOT TO TAKE THE PICTURE OF 3 BRAINSTORM AND 2 BP but trust this is def 2 bp 3bs 1 dna 1 sock and busin

[stone shell]

yeah my idea was to try and smuggle in bones for ante 8 because scoring 100k/300k is easy enough to do so

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstne

[stone shell]

i think its just really hard to gauge my score with all the enhancements

[waxen quartz]

how relevant is fortune teller vs straight level?

(the 1 mult = 1 tarot use joker)

[stone shell]

48 or so mult vs 18 i think

managed to play multiple straights per round

[errant bolt]

Speak for yourself, bloodstone got me a 200 mill hand the other day

[waxen quartz]

only 18? that's like level 5 or 6? straight levels give 3 mult

seed screwed you

[stone shell]

nah i think

it was a winnable run

again i just did NOT discard hard enough

[waxen quartz]

straight is good enough to win, the probably is drawing. but level 6 straight by ante 7 is just bad luck

[stone shell]

mightve just been poor econ decisions on my part

or the double rentals

[waxen quartz]

rental constellation, but with straight levels that's win too. everyone would make that choice

[random ice]

Look at this run start lmao

[weak relic]

Pairslop again? But I had ideas for 4oaks...

[unreal topaz]

you can do pairs for the first 6 antes, like thats 2 joker slots for all your scoring and 3 joker slots for value

[stone shell]

maybe i was just too greedy with superposition but tbh i think that was a great off beat run where i held back on one shotting with straights for tarot gen

[unreal topaz]

for a while

[stone shell]

just not a smart player when it comes to managing enhancements for main scoring

[random ice]

Lmao

[unreal topaz]

you did say the seed hates women

i think

[stone shell]

true

the game didnt want me to prove superposition was a good joker

[marsh goblet]

holy fuck i am so exhausted for some reason it's balala time

[brave goblet]

damn I managed to bottom deck all 9 queens

[cosmic sun]

Is hand size just card draw

[wicked rover]

by any chance is the joker where you have to discard 5 jacks at once a reference to "hit the road jack"

[random ice]

Lmao

Think I might win this one

[tall jetty]

dont count your chickens before they are hutched

[patent sail]

it is

[wicked rover]

knew it

[random ice]

No plant, only Leaf can stop me

And I can just sell Parking

[stone shell]

photochad lobotomy no wonder its easy

[stone shell]

okay tbh im tempted to do a test where i just run several gold stake eternal superposition starts (sometimes rental sometimes not) just to see how good of a pick it really is in the right hands

[spark kernel]

If pinned was a sticker in the stakes what stake do you think would have it

[random ice]

I can't see it happening tbh, messes with too many joker designs

Also conflicts with other Pinned jokers

[stone shell]

black feels most thematic to me if it were to happen but as roy said, messes with gameplay too much

[spark kernel]

Brainstorm would becone compmetly useless if it was pinned

[stone shell]

look at what-

[weak relic]

Oh- would you look at that

[stone shell]

brainstorm, copy my brainstorm

[weak relic]

Whoops I forgor

[random ice]

I mean, just adjust it in the backend

Like Food Jokers and Eternal

Or Perishable and Scalers

[spark kernel]

Time for blue stake in yellow deck this is where it starts getting rough

[stone shell]

faceless joker spotted, antisynergy with photochad

gotta pass

[spark kernel]

WE yes WE all hate blue stake

[waxen quartz]

$ is everything, it never gets tough for yellow deck

[random ice]

Yellow is one of the strongest

Also I find it funny to compare Yellow to Nebula

If you get the Telescope voucher on Ante 1

yellow is just straight up

A better version of Nebula

[spark kernel]

What would a yellow stake be like

[neon hill]

rocket is more useful than chicot here if we're keeping it a buck right

[stone shell]

start with -4 dollars

[stone shell]

you can probably sell mystic summit instead

[neon hill]

also this seed is actually demonic

if it was perkeo oh my god this is a perfect naneinf

[spark kernel]

Funny how the 3 primary colours would be the most threatining stakes

[compact jewel]

Hmm...

[neon hill]

someone i know from another server jumpscare

[compact jewel]

I've been muted from the DBFZ Discord for literal fucking months now

[spark kernel]

What challenge are you playing on

[hidden hemlock]

Finally hit C+ on my phone and it’s not recognizing it lol

[compact jewel]

I've messaged the mods they're not letting me back in none of them are responding

[ancient gyro]

money hungry run

[compact jewel]

The egg

[neon hill]

wait seriously?
what did you do lmaoooo

[compact jewel]

I don't even remember

I've been in the bottle for idk how long

I can't leave the server because I'll be banned

[weak relic]

Lost.

Couldn't draw cards I need

Ig im all washed up now

[spark kernel]

Why isnt the xmult joker in the rightmost position

[weak relic]

All I wanted to do was to stop playing pairs

[vernal leaf]

Do i take the dice this early?

[weak relic]

No

[terse vale]

why did you take eternal photograph

you have to take summit here

[ancient gyro]

scaling

winning too fast

[vernal leaf]

Why should I not take photo?

[ancient gyro]

join me as I attempt a pairless++ profile

[terse vale]

because its bad and wastes a slot

[royal shale]

its a bad joker without synergy and barely covers early game scoring

[exotic pike]

found this old screenshot lmfao

[neon hill]

blueprint stop looking at photos cards bro thats cheating

[compact jewel]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[spark kernel]

So were not going to talk about the 7

[open vale]

whats the best sett up for naneinf that doesn’t use perkio

[desert pebble]

is castle based only on the suits you have in deck or is it all 4

[open vale]

cause im struggling to get there

[exotic pike]

what 7

[terse vale]

still baron

[exotic pike]

perkeo ban

[terse vale]

I know

[open vale]

ive been using baron with mine and many retriggers while using ghost deck

[royal shale]

those in your deck, with it being more likely to choose suits you have more of

[open vale]

absolutely no luck

[terse vale]

vagabond for deckfixing is my best guess

[strange compass]

Whats the naneinf method with Perkero

[mystic bear]

what do i take here? I'm on Magic Deck / Gold Stake

[desert pebble]

ok great

[mystic bear]

i can pick 2

[terse vale]

burnt

[frank grove]

usually its copying cryptids to copy many many red seal kings with baron mime

[open vale]

steal retrigger king king spam witg dupped cryptied. pain in the ass to set up

[terse vale]

burnt and invisible why not

[royal shale]

mmm I love cropped screenshots with limited context

[mystic bear]

LOL

[loud flicker]

Wow.

[strange compass]

How early can you do it with Perkeo? And how many Cryptids

[terse vale]

and yes please stop doing this

I dont know why people do this

[loud flicker]

If you’re really rich invis could be a play

[mystic bear]

ok, fine, here. I do it because sometimes screenies get too big/busy. But all right. Magic Deck / Gold Stake. What do?

[frank grove]

depends on how many copy jokers, how early you get baron and mime up and runnning and how early you get the cryptid but you can do it fairly fast

[loud flicker]

But almost always take burnt here

Oh ye ante 2 too

Not a question

[terse vale]

still burnt and invisible

[mystic bear]

and then sell everything so invis hits burnt, i assume

[frank grove]

burnt is 100% the choice

[terse vale]

well you also still need to not die

[tall jetty]

is it better to master 1 deck or play diffrent decks

cuz idk

[loud flicker]

Oh it’s pick too I forgot

[tall jetty]

i have few on black and one on blue stack but some on white/red

[terse vale]

honestly I would sell invisible with everything else on there

[tall jetty]

and idk what to play

[loud flicker]

Ye if you have a death wish

[tall jetty]

which is better?

[terse vale]

because diamond is probably going to die soon right

sell that before you do invis

[frank grove]

i would probably feed invis to dagger just cause it has nothing to copy really

[terse vale]

or just sacrifice it

[mystic bear]

4 rounds left on rough gem

[loud flicker]

Otherwise I’d just farm econ until you’re comfortable or find something really strong and then sell it to copy burnt or dagger

[terse vale]

because dagger seems like the long term play for now

[loud flicker]

Idt with burnt and dagger you’re gonna die too soon so just focus on econ and it should be a dub

[marsh goblet]

LUCHADOR WHJERE ARE U

[terse vale]

different decks

but you should try to be great at all of them

[loud flicker]

Better for what?

It’s a singleplayer game play however you find most fun

[terse vale]

better for being better at the game I guess

[frank grove]

yeah there are things to learn on other decks

[loud flicker]

I’d try them out to see what they’ve got and then focus on one until I’m bored but do whatever your heart desires

[tall jetty]

okay ty also what are other tactics cuz i always do flush and its kinda boring

[haughty mortar]

what do i do here?

[terse vale]

farm econ by stalling the rounds if u wanna roll down

[mystic bear]

flushes will NOT work at higher stakes

[terse vale]

pairs!

[frank grove]

or anything else thats more fun

[terse vale]

I don’t feel like explaining it right now though

[tall jetty]

why

[mystic bear]

pairs/high card is how you're supposed to beat high stakes

not consistent enough

[terse vale]

mostly pairs

[mystic bear]

not enough discards

[terse vale]

weak to both mouth and eye somehow

[loud flicker]

Pairs and straights are best/most optimal imo, 4oak is good too if things align

[errant bolt]

They can work, but you need a ridiculous amount of things to go in your favor

[frank grove]

and the hand size for things like blue seals starts to matter much more

[tall jetty]

oh damn okay

[loud flicker]

I play mostly black deck nowadays though so I’m supremely biased against small hands

[mystic bear]

also this game loves giving you a 8 card hand with 4 non-suit cards despite having 40/52 cards in your favor

[tall jetty]

but at the first antees flush works yeah?

[terse vale]

find Xmult and win :?

get glass

highest priority!

[mystic bear]

yeah white stake any deck flushes are fine

[tall jetty]

i mean rounds

[mystic bear]

i like yellow deck / white stake personally

[tall jetty]

not stakes

[frank grove]

flushes work to beat first 3 rounds usually

[tall jetty]

yeah ty

[mystic bear]

oh, sorry

[errant bolt]

Flushes are great for lower stakes, but you'll find it increasingly tough to get runs off the ground as you progress towards gold

[frank grove]

but if you get any scaling mult you should try to scale them as much as possible as early as possible

unless you really really need money

[marsh goblet]

i think i saw a reroll voucher earlier this run which is the saddest part

[errant bolt]

By the time you get to gold most flush build attempts will die quickly

[azure ginkgo]

I think I already won this run after the first shop

[errant bolt]

Blue stake in particular is rough

[loud flicker]

Ye they can help you live but early on you shouldnt be loyal to any hand whatsoever, just go with whatever the game gives you both draw and joker-wise

And I mean if you had to choose one hand to spec into the better ones later on are always better to grab planets for anyway

Unless it’s pairs and you need bigger hands to score in the short term

But compared to straights I’d never take flush planet

[royal shale]

can confirm, flushes suck

:3

[frank grove]

do i take it?

runner is at 75

[royal shale]

and bus?

[frank grove]

bus is at 36

like i want canio or yorick probably those are the good hits here

its yorick

ok nice

[royal shale]

canio on abandoned.

...

[frank grove]

yeah one strength and a hanged man is kinda easy

it only needs to be like a 3x for it to be useful to me

[strange compass]

Yes get rebate or Bull out

[frank grove]

i got rid of bull

[stark karma]

That’s impossible

[strange compass]

What did you get

[royal shale]

?

[quiet plinth]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[vestal copper]

this is stupid

I GOT TRIB

[woven spire]

sell baron 🙏

[vestal copper]

this run is so cursed

nah its white stake

im doing the sillies

surely ill be fine :clueless:

[strange compass]

Getting destroyed by Madness

[quiet plinth]

me when eternals

[strange compass]

BP will be killed

[quiet plinth]

I am on painted deck, kinda have to sell madness for bp

[thorny axle]

a fun run on a fun stake

[haughty mortar]

wich one is better?

[warped moth]

Apologies to chat for accidentally stealing all your luck today

[torpid bridge]

Hack

Cuz idol

[inland island]

I finally won a game

😭😭

I'm getting better

[marsh goblet]

im washed bro

hella losses in a row

barely any wins today

[inland island]

Bro I jst got my first win

I don't need negetivity

Positivity is better

[marsh goblet]

ok

[covert steeple]

Do I go with Faceless in this situation?

[frank notch]

Put onyx before constel

[warped moth]

Why?

[haughty mortar]

do i take blueprint for something?

[warped moth]

Well done!!!

[frank notch]

Onyx gives +mult, always put +mult before xmult

[royal shale]

Doesn’t matter, Agate applies when the cards score

[warped moth]

Onyx will always trigger before the xmults

Const is 6.3X currently
And targeted by Brainstorm

Honestly idek what onyx is doing there anymore

Lmao

[brisk cave]

why is this game so peak

[warped moth]

I'm just waiting for a sock and buskin

[errant bolt]

I'd kill idol for it but idk what your build/cards look like

[willow frost]

a lot i think

[warped moth]

Because it's a brilliant, unique take on the roguelike deckbuilder genre with perfect execution of the things that make it stand out

[willow frost]

it has bright colours

[errant bolt]

It's like windows solitaire on crack

[warped moth]

That too ^

And don't forget the sfx

The sfx are just SO good

[haughty mortar]

i have alot of these aces

[brisk cave]

like i literally don't play any game 3h+ other than this and maybe cloverpit

[willow frost]

honestly i didnt get this game for th egameplay i just thought it looked cool lol

[errant bolt]

Yeah def idol then imo, don't think it's going to be doing much for you

[vestal copper]

this run had to die

its fine i knew i wont make it far

[warped moth]

I've always been a fan of this genre and so got word of the game's existence relatively quickly, demo 2 I think
Never got old. No other game managed this to this extent

[vestal copper]

fucking baron trib 😭

get out:the build

[willow frost]

scholar is literally right there lmao

[warped moth]

Amazing

[strange abyss]

Finally done with painted deck gold stake
Thank you castle for all the chips this was the first time I actually used castle properly lmao

[warped moth]

That sounds like the most sidequest run ever

[errant bolt]

Yeah but they have a lot of aces, idol is idol

[vestal copper]

yeah i did it for the sillies

[warped moth]

Yoo well done! I love castle when it actually works

[vestal copper]

maybe i shouldntve hit that ecto

[warped moth]

Aka with merry andy, Pair or painted deck 😭
But still I find it to be a very fun joker

[willow frost]

castle always works lol its goated

[vestal copper]

castle is good its just roffle fans spreading misinfo about it

[errant bolt]

I'm more of a hiker enjoyer myself

[ebon condor]

does roffle not like castle???

[vestal copper]

yeah he just hates it for no reason i heard

[ebon condor]

damn

[errant bolt]

How many chips does castle gain per discard? I think it was like 3-5?

[frank grove]

maybe loyalty card is good (i got both hand vouchers)

[strange abyss]

I got castle pretty early on around ante 2 and the trousers in the round 1 shop
These 2 carried me until I found baseball card for xmult because literally nothing was showing up

[errant bolt]

Okay it's +3

[strange abyss]

ngl it was a pretty smooth run

[vestal copper]

spare trousers are at least s tier

[frank grove]

i love castle

[warped moth]

It's very fun but I'm a very unlucky person idk 😭

[vestal copper]

are you just drawing straights when using it 😭

[errant bolt]

castle fans when blue+ stake:

[strange abyss]

one last deck stake 👀

[vestal copper]

also yeah hi fytos :3dgrineline:

[frank grove]

castle is fine with 2 discards you just need to play hands first then discard a flush of the suit it wants and its fine

[warped moth]

I never find the suits I need :( this game has a fucked up and twisted sense of humour against me sometimes

[warped moth]

Oh good tip

Noted

[frank grove]

also you can deck fix to castle

to make it hit one suit every single time

[strange abyss]

This is what I tried doing at times in my run, worked out sometimes but usually I get around 1-2 cards per discard

[frank grove]

which is SO good

[rugged bloom]

I am so scared

[vestal copper]

gl bigger numbers=better experience

[strange abyss]

Well this run died quickly lmao

[strange compass]

I used to play poker games on Facebook on my brother's phone

Balatro kinda scratches that itch for me

[frank grove]

chat what deck should i play?

[strange compass]

What is this

[rugged bloom]

The Intetionally Unbalanced mod for Balatro

[torpid bridge]

Facebook

[rugged bloom]

Cryptid

I have no idea what I am in for

[strange compass]

I thought the new update came out already

[rugged bloom]

I have no idea

I just downloaded it

[strange compass]

Yuh uh

Back then you could play games on facebook

That's where fruit ninja, vector and alot of phone games come from

[torpid bridge]

Playing games on fb sounds like a boomer

💀

[strange compass]

I am 20 😞

[strange abyss]

bala(cryptid)tro

[rugged bloom]

I am almost 19 and I can relate too

[torpid bridge]

How are you younger than me when you play facebook games

[rugged bloom]

Correct

[torpid bridge]

Not even my 15yo ass plays fb games

[strange abyss]

I used to play games on fb
when I was 7

[strange compass]

I didn't have actual games growing up so I would play flash or fb

[strange abyss]

You and me the same

[torpid bridge]

Flash is ok i also play flash

[rugged bloom]

Should I start off with every single thing unlocked or like regular balala?

[torpid bridge]

Flash games were quite fun

[strange abyss]

There were some really good games on fb back then too
Dungeon Rampage was fun

[torpid bridge]

I think me in elementary school played a word game

You guess the words

[strange compass]

I used to play that mugen game that was like smash bros but it had Goku

[rugged bloom]

Henry Stickmin started off as a flash game

[torpid bridge]

Back then my english was so bad i couldnt win a single game

😹

[strange compass]

Oh yeh Henry Stickman

[strange abyss]

The sigil card is trolling me
really? turning my entire hand into diamonds on the window

[strange compass]

I only played like 2-3 games, never the whole series but recently I saw someone speedrun all Henry stickman games

[strange abyss]

Super Smash Flash?

[strange compass]

Something like tht

[warped moth]

A fish of my luck 😔

[strange compass]

It had 2 games

[strange abyss]

Looks inside
Looks inside

[strange compass]

This is why I don't trust sigil or ouija

[rugged bloom]

already crashed

[willow frost]

ah nice

[sullen aspen]

plasma deck gold stake
easiest deck by far

thats also c+

[quartz sail]

Corporate needs you to find the difference between these pictures.

[ancient gyro]

5th restart of the profile cause I keep accidentally playing pairs on blue

[random ice]

Weird ass win

[strange compass]

Green deck gold stake is done. Honestly was easier than I thought it would be.

[strange compass]

Plasma is my next deck

[stark charm]

I forgot this deck existed

[stark charm]

Just spam chips plasma deck is so good

[drifting gorge]

yea green deck's pretty nice, makes econ quite easy

[edgy stone]

Finally with Abandoned Deck and Straight build. Get 2 last strong boons in Ante 8 and change the game

[drifting gorge]

gg

[weak seal]

"gaystorm" (other half missing though 💔)

[plain ermine]

just hit the road

[edgy stone]

Brainstorm can copy marry andy?

[quick cloak]

does it say compatible

[edgy stone]

He has 9 discards

[plain ermine]

on white stake red deck if you get the two discard vouchers and andy you can get nine discards

andy can't be copied

[edgy stone]

Oh my bad, it's white stake

[pastel hatch]

man im so bad at this game

[sleek night]

round 12 finally fall

[plain ermine]

why is it in french

[sleek night]

i am boo

[plain ermine]

sorry to hear that

[strange compass]

Do you not use mults or plasma deck stakes

[molten thicket]

damn my condolences

[velvet wyvern]

I’m intimidated and scared

[autumn hemlock]

The Marathon Build

[velvet wyvern]

Sprinter build i’m dubbing it

[velvet wyvern]

I like that more lol

[woven spire]

you wanna start with chips then ideally pivot to Xmult, but it can be done with a good chips run

[molten thicket]

well it depends

[woven spire]

wat

[inland island]

i got a question about the Ghost Deck i dont get what it does at all is it jst that you get spectral cards in shop

[woven spire]

yes is that

[molten thicket]

pivoting to xmult is kinda awkward and usually results in you dying unless it's like xmult retrigs

[autumn hemlock]

@velvet wyvern What do you think, ay?

[inland island]

is it good

[molten thicket]

its usually better to stick to chips

[strange compass]

I am getting used to it

[woven spire]

That’s the ideally i said.

[ebon condor]

spectral cards in shop, start with hex yes

[inland island]

whats hex😭

[ebon condor]

a spectral card

[inland island]

oh cool

[strange compass]

Just chips alone can clear all stakes?

[ebon condor]

give a random joker polychrome, destroy all others

[woven spire]

gives polichrome to a random joker, destroys others

[molten thicket]

yeah but you phrase it like "you should pivot to xmult but staying on chips could be done"

[ebon condor]

yeah thas correct

[molten thicket]

at least that's what i understand it as

[inland island]

ah that one

[woven spire]

yeah

because that’s it

[pastel hatch]

how do yall usually play early game on black deck i feel like if i dont get a strong +mult joker im kinda dead

[woven spire]

that’s how plasma works

[velvet wyvern]

When you get all the good jokers but went into debt for them

[molten thicket]

around 900-1000 chips is enough for gold stake

[autumn hemlock]

Ante 3 btw

[autumn hemlock]

I'm thinking about selling Canio

[weary vapor]

I have a question what does that red credit card do anyway?

[molten thicket]

i'm just saying the process of transitioning from chips to xmult is awkward and usually doesn't work out, and i usually stick to chips

[strange compass]

Do you do pair slop in this as well? I tried using pairs but didn't go that well

[molten thicket]

depends

[ebon condor]

the issue is, chips dong scale well into getting enough to wkn

[molten thicket]

i just go with whatever the game gives me

[ebon condor]

so if you CAN you should switch to xmult

[woven spire]

it’s not that awkward, for me at least, it’s much easier to win if you pivot to Xmult

[warped cradle]

Me have question

Why does the smeared joker work to unlock brainstorm but doesn’t work to unlock the suit jokers

[strange compass]

I'll try pivoting

[molten thicket]

how do you pivot to xmult? is it like pre-scaling holo/const/...?

[strange compass]

They require you to have suit cards in your deck

[molten thicket]

or is it more like xmult retrigs?

[warped cradle]

Ok but it worked for discarding a royal flush

[stark charm]

For ante 8 chips is enough

[woven spire]

Basically, yeah i always try to get an early Xmult joker or something cooking early to smooth the pivot

[weary vapor]

That it?

[weak seal]

Wait, do you have to score 100m or 100b for Daredevil?

[stark charm]

If you just need ante 8

[willow frost]

usually i just start with some insane +mult thing like stm and immediately start leaning into mult lol

[warped cradle]

I think I’m just stupid got joy understanding

[willow frost]

stuntmans 100m

[strange compass]

Royal flush is a hand made by smeared joker, the suit jokers require having 20 or 30 of their suit in your deck

[weak seal]

Ohhh

[weary vapor]

You just gotta pray for rng to get legendary cards and rare cards you want

[woven spire]

cmon they ain’t that bad

[warped cradle]

Boo

[strange compass]

Mistype 😭

[molten thicket]

do NOT diss my goat arrowhead

[weak seal]

I'm close anyway 👍 (my best hand was ~70m so far this run)

[strange compass]

I mean bloodstone is kinda....

[warped cradle]

Hologram my beloved

[woven spire]

yh i figured, but funny.

[woven spire]

fair

[strange compass]

I also feel rough gem isn't that useful

[vocal dust]

i'm missing trib for 150/150 jokers unlocked. is my best bet playing anaglyph, stacking double tags and cashing in on a charm tag?

[woven spire]

i love rough gem

[molten thicket]

if you want

most inportant thing abt c++ is to not give up before that

[autumn hemlock]

Just like having credit card debt, y'know?

[vocal dust]

i guess like on average, would this take the least amount of time to unlock the joker?

as in like is this the fastest way

[molten thicket]

it's still gonna take a lotta luck but i think so

[strange compass]

Magic Deck can also be nice I think cuz you start with Crystal Ball voucher and it's evolution gives spectre cards in arcana packs

[royal shale]

if you play well you’ll open arcana packs naturally and that’s probably faster and more consistent

[royal shale]

Soul appears in Arcana’s without the voucher, ~1/300 per card in the pack

[strange compass]

Ye I went like 2-3 weeks at 149 jokers cuz I was missing stone joker

[strange compass]

Doesn't that boost the probability

[weak seal]

HECK YEAH

[royal shale]

Technically, I don’t think so but it’s a very slim difference (just cuz of tarotblocking)

[woven spire]

why chad??

[molten thicket]

he's just here for the ride

[weak seal]

True.

[woven spire]

fair enough

[neon mural]

can someone clarify something for me on naneinf? I know you have to clear ante 24, but based on my current scoring Im not going to clear that hurdle. What am I missing? I have
Baron
Mime
4x copy jokers
44+ red seal steels. Hand size of 9 (both hand sizevouchers + 1 ecto)

[woven spire]

DNA

[neon mural]

oh I need DNA for these last few antes? got it

[woven spire]

you need more steel btw

[neon mural]

the wiki says 44

[woven spire]

how do you know you are only going to draw steel?

[waxen quartz]

which wiki where? it varies a lot depending on a couple things. ya, draw is kinda important 🙂

[neon mural]

the official wiki

[woven spire]

yeah

[shadow frost]

What would you drop for brainstorm? Playing flush 5 lucky king of hearts with red seal. Both cats are at 10x currently

[neon mural]

I understand

[royal shale]

burglar if you can force serpent, but you wouldn’t make it to A39

[neon mural]

yeah thats for A25+ though

cause you will outscore the ante before that if you try to get all the extra draw

[woven spire]

if you get DNA copy steel only

[royal shale]

DNA helps outside of that

[woven spire]

they need DNA for ante 24.

[woven spire]

no, it’s needed

[neon mural]

is it just for 24? or do you need it to clear 23 too?

[spring granite]

photo goes bye bye imo. Copy bloodstone or sock or something, idk what's optimal

[woven spire]

24, for 23 you’ll need the serpent tho

[royal shale]

32 as well if aiming for A39

[neon mural]

nah just naneinf rn

tryna get my first

[royal shale]

Question was about naneinf and not A39, they are on A20, burglar serpent would work toward that goal

[woven spire]

nah for ante 32 only way are a couple cryptids

[woven spire]

You do know that in ante 24 there’s an ante 8 boss blind?

they can’t roll into the serpent

[royal shale]

yes

it is ANTE 20

[neon mural]

Well im about to be on 22

[woven spire]

They can’t Naneinf with burglar before ANTE 24

[waxen quartz]

it's a touchy run. for the cash you have, the jokers you need can't be more than 50 deep over the 200 deep 95% chance you get what you need...

bean would also be ok?

[vestal copper]

"hi i have 2 hours into the game" ass run 🥀

[woven spire]

Before ante 24-25 the serpent doesn’t have the scaling enough to not get beaten before you get the cards needed for naneinf

[waxen quartz]

I've seen 23 done, don't remember the details

[woven spire]

they NEED DNA to get past ante 24

[neon mural]

I think my scorings just too small for ante 22, no? Blind is 2e59 and I think im clearing 58 right now

[gaunt kelp]

Chat I may have gotten a lil lucky on ante 1

[waxen quartz]

how are you copying baron/mime?

[neon mural]

equal copy

[molten thicket]

i mean if you can find burglar you can naneinf immediately

[neon mural]

2 on each

[woven spire]

count the red seals

[neon mural]

I need ante 25 to naneinf

[molten thicket]

assuming you have retcon

[neon mural]

full red seal hand of 8 cards + 1 played

[molten thicket]

OH MY GOD

[woven spire]

they do not

[neon mural]

yes I have retcon

[molten thicket]

IT'S THE SEED

wait no it isn't the seed

but anyways

[woven spire]

close enough

[open vale]

what deck should i use to get naneinf

[gaunt kelp]

Plasma

[molten thicket]

wdym

[neon mural]

I think I hve to roll for DNA now

[molten thicket]

yeah just find burglar

[neon mural]

shit

[molten thicket]

and i think you can naneinf?

[woven spire]

Before ante 24-25 the serpent doesn’t have the scaling enough to not get beaten before you get the cards needed for naneinf

[neon mural]

no you need ante 25

[molten thicket]

a lotta golds though

[waxen quartz]

if he had $5k+, pretty sure can naninf that. $2k...depends on the seed

can't reroll very deep

[weak seal]

Second time reaching A13.
Atleast I'll have some popcorn to eat before the run ends...

[molten thicket]

oh yeah the serpent needs to be big enough

[woven spire]

true

[molten thicket]

a24 i think youd need bean + dna

[woven spire]

nah

only DNA

[molten thicket]

or bean

[woven spire]

yeah

I guess that’ll work too

they need more steels tho

[molten thicket]

a lot of gold kings though

yeah

before a24 id take a rebate and just farm up money

[waxen quartz]

bean will work ante 24 if all steal. might take 2 hands

[neon mural]

yeah I just dont know if I clear Ante 22 rn

I think im one e short

[woven spire]

can u send an SS of ur copies?

[neon mural]

hand size of 9

[molten thicket]

just replace the photo with sth useful

[woven spire]

one more to baron

[neon mural]

or rly?

3 baron 1 mime?

[woven spire]

yeah

[molten thicket]

yeah

[woven spire]

red seals

[naive nimbus]

is there a mod where you can get 100% stuff without the stakes ??

[waxen quartz]

if not steel will be same score. if gold kings, will score more

[woven spire]

where’s the fuuuuun

[neon mural]

theres an unlock all button in the game if you want

[naive nimbus]

whereabouts ??

[naive nimbus]

just wanna mod the game on pc nothng else tbh

[waxen quartz]

naninf plasma no perkeo...how common does everyone think it is? like doc did a month of 12hr days on it and only did vids on 4 runs

[weak seal]

Oh yeah, also new pb hand (650 milly) thanks to a glass card I used out of desperation on like A11/A12 😭

[waxen quartz]

(I got one, but took like 20 reasonable tries)

[neon mural]

yeah im just short

[woven spire]

go to your profile and below the wins you should see a button that says “unlock all”

[molten thicket]

unfortunate

[waxen quartz]

you get there with 4 hands

[molten thicket]

wait no you dtill clear

[neon mural]

yeah I was gonna say

I can clear with multiple hands lol

[molten thicket]

just pray that you don't draw golds

[woven spire]

if you do, roll like ur life on it for DNA

[naive nimbus]

thanks man

[neon mural]

I still have my discards

[woven spire]

shit took me 4 days nonstop

[molten thicket]

in my naneinf run i got a perkeo, sold it by accident and got another one

[woven spire]

DAMN

[waxen quartz]

ya, I assume I got decent luck to get that run. no perkeo a39 runs...those have to be pretty rare. a lot of things have to go right

[naive nimbus]

anyone reccomend any fun mods ???

[molten thicket]

the gods spared me

[woven spire]

go in #⚙・modding-general they know more

[molten thicket]

basically impossible to go through a32 without perkeo

[waxen quartz]

extra credits. it's 2 mods with 45 extra jokers each that are pretty fun. there's also some challenge mods

[molten thicket]

you would need some insane luck for it

[woven spire]

true

[neon mural]

No DNA yet

shit I might be screwed

[waxen quartz]

hit a couple negative copy jokers at better then the 1/60000 usual rate 😉

[molten thicket]

even a juggler works

[waxen quartz]

troubador, couple other things

[neon mural]

troubadors not a bad idea

okay so if I have full steel do I balance retrigs or 3 on baron

[molten thicket]

3 baron

your retrigs should ideally be = your x1.5mult triggers

[woven spire]

just found this

it was HARD

[neon mural]

yeah I think im north of 50 attempts now and thats including stuff that just died early cause no momentum

This is the closest ive been

[woven spire]

By the time u get this far you know what’s needed

It won’t take you much longer

[molten thicket]

i get a bmime run like everyday but 90% of the time they die by around e35

[woven spire]

I had a pretty good run that got wasted because no burglar

got into ante 25 with 2k bucks

no burglar

[neon mural]

Im down to 5 non king of Hearts and 18 of the 63 are gold

[waxen quartz]

what's a generally good rule of thumb? equal baron/mime counting redseal as a mime?...doesn't cover all situations

knowing how the hand scores is too important, too complex to just have a single chart

[molten thicket]

equal x1.5mult = retrigs

[woven spire]

By the time you in ante 16 red seals should cover the entirety of ur deck

[neon mural]

YOURE HERE TOO EARLY MAN

[woven spire]

lmaooo

[neon mural]

holy shit

[molten thicket]

so counting steel and red seals

[molten thicket]

that's pretty early

[woven spire]

you fucking did it

[neon mural]

I only have 1k to roll on bungler + serpent

[woven spire]

Do you think it would come back?

[woven spire]

that’s the main problem right now

[molten thicket]

with 1k idk

[waxen quartz]

average is 200 rerolls

[woven spire]

yeah

[waxen quartz]

you can't afford that

[neon mural]

I would have kept the mail in if I could have cause it was farming me money on discards

[woven spire]

it’s a gamble to take on ante 25 with 1k

but there’s not much you can do rn

[neon mural]

I was gonna say I dont really have much of a choice

[woven spire]

i would take the DNA and test your luck

[neon mural]

I needed DNA

[sage bough]

Bro I cannot find Chicot bro

[neon mural]

oh ive already taken it

[sage bough]

He is the LAST Joker I need

He's like the last unlockable in the whole game that I need

[visual nova]

unseeded demon

[sage bough]

That and beating Orange Stake to get the last deck

[molten thicket]

i mean if he doesn't take the dna he's prob dead

[neon mural]

Clearing e87 with current setup so im good for a while

[woven spire]

yeah

[neon mural]

oh I just got reroll glut

[woven spire]

huge

[neon mural]

thats -2 per roll im saving right

plus the 2 im already saving from surplus

so 4 in total

[woven spire]

yeah

wich is a lot

[visual nova]

died to the club tho 😔

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[visual nova]

baron mime appeared so many times

[neon mural]

I have a very ill timed meeting cause I really wanna finish this out but work calls

[unborn cliff]

demon? like geometry dash?

[storm dome]

everything thanks to sixth sense

love that guy

[unborn cliff]

oh my goodness nephew

[molten thicket]

preach the ways of the flush

[storm dome]

joker setup (i spared sixth sense out of pure respect)

[unborn cliff]

you can sell 3 jokers

[molten thicket]

what the fuck is that joker lineup

[woven spire]

you could win just with stencil lmao

[storm dome]

but i won't!

[unborn cliff]

"yeah i'll choose to be weaker for no reason"

[woven spire]

it’s the funny thing to do tho

[molten thicket]

just sell troub and the flush +chips guy

keep sixth sense for gold dticker

[brave goblet]

i would say the pair problem

[unborn cliff]

i like this build

[brave goblet]

I broke exactly one glass card the whole time

predictably, an ancient joker appeared in the final shop

[serene forge]

hello welcome to mcdonalds may I take your order

[unborn cliff]

can i get 1 bloodstone

[serene forge]

no.

[unborn cliff]

i'd like to see your manager

[serene forge]

Karen

[gaunt kelp]

DU916P73 god seed skip first tag for rare joker

[pastel hatch]

is there a way to be more consistent on black deck? i feel like i need to have the win basically handed to me for me to perform well not sure what am i missing

[unborn cliff]

what the flip dude

[serene forge]

what's in those buffoons though

[vestal copper]

what if dna is here

[serene forge]

buffoon has plain michel lmao

[vestal copper]

lmao

[serene forge]

thats also a rental eternal mime on gold stake

[storm dome]

time to get funky

[waxen quartz]

not really, no econ = dead, you don't benefit from the extra joker slot til later. due to change in the patch anyway

[cloud sinew]

How is it due to change

[neon mural]

MY 3RD ROLL

[pastel pagoda]

Holyyyyyy

Now you just need to find a chad for 8 ball and photo

[waxen quartz]

we don't know. but also not sure if thunk sees as a prob other, it's just what drspectred has said...

[cloud sinew]

what did he say

[frank grove]

Im guessing the blue stake change but i dont really see how that changes much about the econ early on black anyway

🐌

[waxen quartz]

I don't remember the alternatives suggested, just that the loss of a hand hurts so much early

[rich mauve]

balatr

[neon mural]

okay just to clarify

• Sell DNA
• Buy Burglar
• Reroll to serpent
• Skip to boss blind copying burglar all 4 times
• single discard + play single hands non copied until I have at least 45 red seal steel kings
• 3 copy on baron 1 on mime

Am I missing anything

[ebon condor]

well i mean balauni isnt the dictator of what gets changed in the game

if thunk doesn't wanna change it, he won't

and ive not seen anything that implies he has any intention to

could be wrong tho

[cloud sinew]

Oh youre talking about what dr suggested in the pair video, not anything about black actually changing, got it.

[rich mauve]

you know, we see another example of how great is a dev 100%ing their game

[waxen quartz]

it has been said thunk wants black deck to be the WORST deck. just don't remember him commenting on it

[cloud sinew]

he said that black deck is meant to be the difficult deck

[pastel pagoda]

Good thing its not the case right now

[cloud sinew]

Black deck is the worst for winning

[ebon condor]

has he stated that that was always the intention, or that he likes it that way?

[calm moth]

So is plasma game breaking

[lyric karma]

idk what to do here

[pastel pagoda]

Not game breaking. Just the best deck for winning imo

[rich mauve]

depends on the stake

[pastel pagoda]

Except for black deck of course

[cloud sinew]

"black deck was designed to be the difficult deck"

[waxen quartz]

in endless, yes. nothing else compares. in the first 8 antes...it's probably the trickiest

[cloud sinew]

It definitely isnt at gold stake

[ebon condor]

gotcha

[calm moth]

Whats the strategy

[pastel pagoda]

Haven't had much experience there, so I might be wrong

[ebon condor]

thas rough, i wish it could be the hardest without feeling so rng at the beginning

[rich mauve]

chips

a lot

a lot a lot

[frank grove]

plasma at gold is tough because chips isnt reliable on their own on higher stakes

[waxen quartz]

not for gold stake. chips only takes very good chips jokers, of which there's only a few

[rancid gull]

Blue stake rework will def help

[pastel pagoda]

Chips only plasma deck runs are really fun ngl

[ebon condor]

fair

+if pairs stop being meta that'd def help too

[frank grove]

Yeah

[waxen quartz]

early castle is a win. bull + good econ is a win. lots of levels in a good hand progression is win. not much else is

[frank grove]

i doubt thunk does much to make other stuff much better though. pairs are very good right now and kinda tough to change much around them

[ebon condor]

well therell be new jokers

and assumedly a blue seal nerf

[rich mauve]

are pairs good or other hands suck

[frank grove]

both

[waxen quartz]

pairs are the easiest good enough hand

by far

[rancid gull]

Violent vessel

[vestal copper]

huh

[ebon condor]

i think those alongside blue stake changes would create more of a balance

[vestal copper]

why will blue get changed

[frank grove]

blue seals probably wont get changed

[rancid gull]

Blue seals are cracked

[frank grove]

he said he has an idea for a rework but probably wont happen for 1.1

[ebon condor]

if thunk doesn't nerf blue seals i will question his game design skills

[rancid gull]

Well I wouldn’t say that

[ebon condor]

bc jfc theyre so strong rn

[rancid gull]

Blue seals are fun

Blue seals are sooooo fun

[ebon condor]

i mean faiiir i guess

but i don't really think theyre healthy

[ebon condor]

something being strong tends to make it fun

hm

[vestal copper]

maybe they can get nerfed so you can never get over 1 planet per round or smth

using only them

idk how they can really be changed tbh

[frank grove]

he could make them appear less in standards and stuff and make them harder to come by instead of outright changing their behavior

[rich mauve]

1/2 chance to give the most played hand planet card

[frank grove]

doesnt change anything about how strong they are

[vestal copper]

oops all sixes buff 🙏

[frank grove]

because you just focus on making copies of them instead of doing other stuff

[ebon condor]

well he apparently has a wildcard buff that seems to not be the general community ideas so you never know

[frank grove]

basically becomes a lower hand buff

[pastel pagoda]

I want more probabilities to be added ngl

[rich mauve]

they count every rank

[vestal copper]

this gonna be so fucking broken 😭

[pastel pagoda]

Idol synergy

[rich mauve]

big hand buffs

[frank grove]

iirc he already said they wont do that because they become confusing

[pastel pagoda]

Shoot the moon synergy

Literally everything synergy

[rich mauve]

idk I wouldn't mind

[vestal copper]

i mean not being able to get debuffs is prob the best and the most appreciated change they can get

[rich mauve]

it makes easier to play big hands

so we quit pair slop

[ebon condor]

wait guys what if the condition for blue and gold seals are swapped

[pastel pagoda]

So

Gold seals are just gold cards now?

[ebon condor]

blue seals trigger when scored and gold trigger when held in hand!

[frank grove]

gold seals are just rarer gold cards then?

[ebon condor]

its a great idea

[frank grove]

but you can have like glass on them i guess

[ebon condor]

thank you thank you

[rich mauve]

to buff pairs

I know

[pastel pagoda]

Screw pairs ngl

[rich mauve]

all roads lead to pairs

[rancid gull]

Well it would also incentivize playing higher hands though

[pastel pagoda]

Never got one for valentines

[frank grove]

slightly

[pastel pagoda]

Was always a high card

[frank grove]

it would have to fit into the hand you wanted to play

if its from a standard pack and its a 3 of clubs and you're playing face cards it doesnt work

the pair player still wins

[somber whale]

Yo guys should I be copying cryptids or plutos

[rancid gull]

Actually, that is true now

I’ve been convinced

[pastel pagoda]

Depends

Actually no

[rancid gull]

Cryptidw

[somber whale]

On?

[pastel pagoda]

I think its jsut cryptids

[somber whale]

Ok

[ebon condor]

ok ok ok fine. swap blue and purple seals then

[frank grove]

on discard?

[somber whale]

Me?

[rancid gull]

Burnt joker

[frank grove]

pairs still win? just like how burnt is good for pairs not for flushes or straights or 4oak

[rancid gull]

But without the joker

[rich mauve]

maaaaaaybe

discarding really helps big hands

[pastel pagoda]

Okay guys hear me out on this one

[frank grove]

yes but discarding the big hand you wanted to play doesnt help it does it?