🕹・game-discussion

[distant coyote]

Won my first game thanks to Mr Bones

[lunar zealot]

wrong server

[distant coyote]

Everyone say praise Mr Bones

[lunar zealot]

677777777

6777777777

[ancient gyro]

the small

[wintry ice]

rus in plague inc dies

[lunar zealot]

fork

[serene forge]

kami

[wintry ice]

what did she say

[viral rivet]

best deck for it luckily

[harsh relic]

huh

[wintry ice]

nothing would surprise me at this point but what did she say

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[wintry ice]

i'm actually losing it

[quick cobalt]

best time to pivot

[lyric karma]

i love it when the game gives you atrocious sinergy

[viral rivet]

im just gonna take it because of the holo

it can be useful some antes

[lunar zealot]

girl fuck you

[ancient gyro]

I see the synergy

[wintry ice]

erm ain't you taken and monogamous

[lunar zealot]

my anger consumes me

i'm like anakin but gay

[hybrid tendon]

:p

[serene forge]

[hybrid tendon]

so true

[wintry ice]

i don't watch movies who's one of a kind

[lunar zealot]

what

[hybrid tendon]

I'm one of a kind 😎

[serene forge]

i love one of a kind 😎

[grand shadow]

man, this is why i hate red card, i'm too stupid to know how to choose between hang man or skipping for 3 mult

[wintry ice]

3 straights in 1 round what is this

[viral rivet]

this game is just making fun of me at this point

[hybrid tendon]

it's bad anyway

[brave goblet]

Ghost deck looking ahh run

Doomed yuri after

[serene forge]

99% of the time skip

[coarse pollen]

The orange bet is harder than it should be, man

[wintry ice]

i almost ended the run in the dumbest way possible against the mouth

okay game

[serene forge]

hanged man won't be that useful unless you got blue seals or something

[wintry ice]

i think i could have gotten runner to +400 if i wasn't using grimbo

[pale wolf]

balatro

[ancient gyro]

you didn't put enough soul into your run

[wintry ice]

free run

[wintry ice]

well yeah i didn't get a legendary

[wintry ice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1145164338823442463.webp?size=48&name=bluh&lossless=true

[serene forge]

[covert steeple]

Love Celeste, it's such a good game

[digital pewter]

every day i want to beat blue stake to death with hammers

i'm not even playing blue stake im on gold

i just hate the -1 discard

[manic zealot]

me too

[digital pewter]

i don't think i initially realized how long completionist++ is going to take

[manic zealot]

yeah...

it will

[woven spire]

yo what was that texture mod that makes jokers have shade and moe details

cant find it

[fringe nebula]

took me a month and half

after getting my first gold stake win

[ancient gyro]

takes like 50 or so wins

[rancid gull]

It took me like 6 months

I wasn’t grinding hard for it

Just popping on for one or two wins and getting off

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt really take that long

its just that it'll take a bunch of runs

but time wise it's not that much

[idle tinsel]

plasma black stake is killing me

[serene forge]

I hate Plasma Deck

[ancient gyro]

2 months on average assuming you win a run every day

[frank grove]

Yeah c++ didn’t take me too long the second time around, but the first time I did it I knew almost nothing so I was just throwing shit until it worked and that took a while until I learned

[gentle island]

Fun runs only +1 gold sticker

[covert steeple]

Sounds like what Im doing

Im still getting used to the game

[rancid gull]

Keep going

Think of the mining for diamonds picture

[covert steeple]

This game is so addicting

[rancid gull]

Don’t quit before you strike tic

Rich

[covert steeple]

But Im also a trophy kinda guy who always goes for plats once the first trophy pops

And C++ is needed for plat, so I knew I was in for the long run

[quick cobalt]

How close to C++ are you?

[rancid gull]

C++ was like my ankle weights

[covert steeple]

90/150 Jokers already

[rancid gull]

I refused to use any mods before I did it

[frank grove]

Did yall do c++ before doing all the challenges

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[quick cobalt]

what’s your favorite joker so far?

[manic zealot]

lowkey yes

[frank grove]

I did all the challenges like at the very last

[rancid gull]

I did the challenges before C++

[ancient gyro]

I didn't bother with the challenges after the 3rd c++

[covert steeple]

Honest answer is probably Misprint

[serene forge]

no

[rancid gull]

Jokerless is pretty fun

[frank grove]

I really like jokerless, I still do really like playing it

[covert steeple]

You can either get really lucky or unlucky with Misprint

[quick cobalt]

that is such a valid choice

it was my favorite for the longest time

[manic zealot]

got a wacky setup for obelisk but it's working so hey I'm here for it

[brave goblet]

💀

[rancid gull]

Misprint is so hit or miss obv

[covert steeple]

Oh yeah, Obelisk is also really good

[tropic mulch]

Ya love to see it

[cloud sinew]

aha

[still pike]

Left or right bufoon packs?

[serene forge]

so true

[tropic mulch]

Right

[subtle drum]

left always

[cloud sinew]

i figured out why luchador makes manacle give 9/8

[still pike]

I picked the right pack

Now what?

[rancid gull]

Left

[subtle drum]

left

[serene forge]

down

[rancid gull]

Foil?

[tropic mulch]

Left

[quick cobalt]

left

[rancid gull]

Absolutely left

[serene forge]

left

[rancid gull]

No question

Skip for red card value

[subtle drum]

correct me if i’m wrong but doesn’t red card value only start once you pick up red card

[hasty onyx]

Is there a joker that supports red card

[rancid gull]

Yes lol

[subtle drum]

oh ok lol

[cloud sinew]

both packs contain the same thing btw

[subtle drum]

gaslighting

[cloud sinew]

it didnt matter which one you picked

[rancid gull]

No

Red card is the only joker in the game

[subtle drum]

huh

[frank grove]

Yeah

[hasty onyx]

Oh ok

[cloud sinew]

buffoon packs work in a queue. if you see 2 cards in a buffoon pack it just shows you the first 2 in a queue. the packs dont have unique contents

[subtle drum]

oh i see

[frank grove]

Yeah

[cloud sinew]

so that means sometimes its better to open up a jumbo/mega before a regular, or vice versa

[frank grove]

Yeah

[hasty onyx]

Is it the same for the other packs

[cloud sinew]

yes

[subtle drum]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

every pack works like that

[manic zealot]

funny way to upgrade trousers when I'm not allowed to play anymore two pairs

[rancid gull]

Is the queue static? Or does it change every ante?

[cloud sinew]

it changes every ante

same with the shop queue

[hasty onyx]

mm chip

[hasty onyx]

How are you actually meant to use obelisk properly it just seems inconvenient to me

[eager summit]

mmmmmmmmmmmm

[cloud sinew]

stack one hand then play anything but that hand

its very simple

[rancid gull]

You have to have a good chips and multi scaler

[eager summit]

by selling it

for campfire mult

[subtle drum]

by getting rid of it

[frank grove]

To be fair you do need chips for the lower hands but if you work on being able to play the higher hands then you should be fine

[hasty onyx]

But then you have to play one hand a shit ton of times

[cloud sinew]

not really

[hasty onyx]

And a hand that you dont want to play

[rancid gull]

Like a good runner and ride the buss can help you transition to playing another hand

[cloud sinew]

12-15 is enough for most runs

[frank grove]

Yeah 15 is usually where I move to scale obelisk

[rancid gull]

Spare trousers and a good chips joker

[hasty onyx]

Thats still 15 entire hands wasted on a hand you dont like

[subtle drum]

i am #1 obelisk hater

[cloud sinew]

its not "wasted"

[subtle drum]

that’s what i’m saying

[rancid gull]

Obelisk is actually amazing

[hasty onyx]

RONG

[frank grove]

You can play pairs 15 times and then two pairs and then full house and then you just win

[rancid gull]

I like the little mini game aspect to it

[cloud sinew]

the only thing its "wasting" is supernova mult

[spark locust]

do i drop the chad for the sixth sense? my flush is lvl 15

[fringe nebula]

"wasted" is a word

[manic zealot]

it's so fucking good

[cloud sinew]

everything else isnt a waste

[rancid gull]

Well that’s why I don’t like supernova into obelisk

If you have green joker

Or ride the bus

Or spare trousers

[cloud sinew]

obelisk is top 5 scaling xmults in the game

[rancid gull]

Or red card

It’s so much better

[frank grove]

or !! Flash card !!

[hasty onyx]

lalala i cant hear you

[grand shadow]

if you think obelisk is bad it's a skill issue, tbh. it's one of the strongest cards in the game

[cloud sinew]

ignorance is idiocy

[hasty onyx]

How many scaling x mults even are there

[frank grove]

Yeah it’s one of the stronger jokers to see I’m almost never picking it up

[hasty onyx]

call yo uber

[frank grove]

A lot …

[grand shadow]

it's not good in every single situation, but it's good in a ton of spots

[fringe nebula]

obelisk also makes stone cards/hierophant soo much more valuable because you need chips

[rancid gull]

I don’t like having hierophant/stone in my deck

But yes

True

[cloud sinew]

14 i think

id say its top 3 tbh

[hasty onyx]

Whats your top 3

[frank grove]

Yeah it’s definitely top 5

[cloud sinew]

yorick, canio, obelisk

[frank grove]

too 3 is tough

[still pike]

Do I take

[exotic pike]

obelisk sucks

[hasty onyx]

💔

[exotic pike]

boooooo

[manic zealot]

my deck rn for my current obelisk run

[fringe nebula]

absolutely

[rancid gull]

Oooooh, my top three scaling x mults is 1. lucky cat

[hasty onyx]

“Canio” wrap it up

[rancid gull]

I love lucky cat

[exotic pike]

caino

[frank grove]

Because glass joker is also very good and can usually get to the same level of average obelisk (at least in my runs)

[cloud sinew]

i like winning

[frank grove]

Canio is great ??

[fringe nebula]

canio is good though

[rancid gull]

Two is like yorick

[subtle drum]

i’m sorry canio’s goated

[serene forge]

canio is good

[manic zealot]

hologram, obelisk, blackboard

[serene forge]

u r nub

[cloud sinew]

disliking canio and obelisk is telling tbh

[rancid gull]

Three is hologram

[serene forge]

blackboard isnt scaling

[frank grove]

Yeah

[manic zealot]

oh I read it wrong

[grand shadow]

canio has carried the shit out of me the only times i ever got it, but i guess you could get really unlucky with it

[exotic pike]

my favourite scaling jokers are yorick, steel joker, madness (on eternal runs) and throwback

[eager summit]

gee, i do wonder how this will go

[frank grove]

Steel joker is INSANE ??? And throwback ???

[rancid gull]

Steel joker is good

[frank grove]

It’s … fine

[cloud sinew]

throwback should not be in your top 5 let alone top 10, it's probably the worst scaling xmult in the game

[exotic pike]

photochad merchant/j

[subtle drum]

oh nooo 😟 lmao

[rancid gull]

Throwback is not my fave

I don’t like skipping

[exotic pike]

boooooo

[cloud sinew]

i like winning

[exotic pike]

its funny in lower stakes

[cloud sinew]

and skipping makes you win less

[subtle drum]

boooo

[exotic pike]

booooooooo

[serene forge]

my 3 favorite scaling xmults are like, constellation madness campfire

[frank grove]

Yeah skipping sucks in anything but white stake

[exotic pike]

i like throwback bc it gives flat x2 or x3 mult sometimes and i like thst

[serene forge]

i love glass jonkler and obby too

[rancid gull]

Has anyone in the history of all time ever taken the reroll starts at 0 dollar tag?

[exotic pike]

im simple

[cloud sinew]

if you skip 4 or 8 times then yeah lol. but you shouldnt be skipping that much if youre focused on winning runs

[frank grove]

Bros playing half the game

[manic zealot]

it's the worst xmult joker bar none, even worse than hit the road which can have its moments here and there

[still pike]

I will take constellation because i got astronomer

[cloud sinew]

baron and idol exist

[exotic pike]

only on like, white stake or red stake

[rancid gull]

I think hit the road is nice

[eager summit]

went as expected

[weary whale]

I have it at 7

I’ve used it more than Blueprint

I’ve skipped a lot

[exotic pike]

on gold stake i never rly use throwback

lemme see my gold jokers so far

[eager summit]

this is my first black stake win

[frank grove]

7th most used jokers of all runs ?? That’s insane

[subtle drum]

based

[manic zealot]

I kind of view them separately but yes they exist and I forget all the time lol

[cloud sinew]

same

[subtle drum]

blueprint throwback goes so hard

[cloud sinew]

idol doesnt exist until i see it

and it sucks

[manic zealot]

best thing about idol is probably using it for baseball card lmao

[fringe nebula]

hit the road starts to become relevant once you reach ante 6 or amth

smth

[rancid gull]

Thoughts on campfire?

[frank grove]

What .. that many michel rounds is kinda insane actually

[fringe nebula]

very strong

[frank grove]

Campfire is so sooo strong

[subtle drum]

i used to think it was pretty bad but now i think it’s decent

[grand shadow]

wow, are you all filthy photo chad abusers like that

[frank grove]

I hate selling a bunch of stuff because it’s kinda slow to do but it does just win games

I dont think ive ever lost with campfire

[fringe nebula]

no, i'm a pair slop spammer

[rancid gull]

Photo Chad is a good strategy

[weary whale]

Really good only if you have Econ. You have to spend to get it and you have to do it at the start of every round

[rancid gull]

TRUE

I like campfire

[exotic pike]

odd todd, half joker, ride the bus, baron, card sharp

blue joker, scary face, blueprint, hanging chad and photograph

[subtle drum]

that’s insane

[cloud sinew]

you can hold consumables at the end of an ante to ensure you have xmult immediately

[exotic pike]

i had ride the bus + baron in the same run

hehehe

[cloud sinew]

also you should be saving more towards the end of an ante with campfire

[frank grove]

Yeah

[fringe nebula]

campfire is even more stronger on gold stake because you can buy rentals for $1 and sell them for $1

[frank grove]

Saving jokers to sell and consumables is kinda the method

[upper spade]

I think I might get a lot of crap for this.
But screw it.

[frank grove]

Because you don’t need it to be a 5x unless you’re going against vv and even then 3x is usually enough

[rancid gull]

My favorite campfire run was when I got a ante 1 rocket

So goated

[subtle drum]

ancient joker my goat

[frank grove]

Yall have so many Michel rounds wow

[manic zealot]

ancient is fantastic

[exotic pike]

could be worse

[weary whale]

All respectable choices except for the one in 5th place who’s name I don’t remember

[fringe nebula]

midas mask campfire is a cool combo ngl

[upper spade]

Mystic Summit.

[rancid gull]

I LOVE MIDAS MASK

[tall owl]

gg ez

[cloud sinew]

mystic summit is incredible early game

[weary whale]

Let me guess, a lot of Checkered Deck runs?

[exotic pike]

i LOVE mystic summit its basically free mult

[rancid gull]

I LOVE EVERYTHING ABOHT MIDAS MASK

[subtle drum]

yeah summit isn’t great

[exotic pike]

nope

[frank grove]

Midas mask is easily one of my favourite jokers

[exotic pike]

my most played decks are red and ghost

[frank grove]

Red is shocking

That is so .. forgotten by people

[lyric karma]

midas mask + gold ticket is the best combo

[cloud sinew]

photograph above chad means you take prospective photograph more than you take prospective chad

[upper spade]

I've always liked Mystic Summit after getting to Blue Stake and above.

[cloud sinew]

which is bad

[subtle drum]

fair enough

[exotic pike]

idk girl i just like photograph

im satisfied with having 2 gold stake decks

[cloud sinew]

its a very mid joker without chad

[frank grove]

Chad is my most used by quite a far margin iirc I think it’s like 700 above my second place (which is rebate)

[weary whale]

Really? Huh. Whenever I play checkered I always play flush builds. Lusty & Wrathful are amazing there

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[upper spade]

A lot of people usually complain about how Abstract is my most used one.

[subtle drum]

true but like you are very likely to get chad

[rancid gull]

you hate everything

[exotic pike]

i won my gold stake checkered run by playing high card

[fringe nebula]

you don't pivot towards other builds on checkered deck???

[lyric karma]

Abstract is good tho

[cloud sinew]

sure, but their stats show that photograph is higher than chad which means they take prospective photograph more than they take prospective chad

[serene forge]

no i don't actually

[eager summit]

yumyum in my tumtum

[manic zealot]

it was fun pivoting out of two pair and comfortably into flushes and straights this run, also s/o stone cards and hierophant cards for the chips

[subtle drum]

yeah fair point

[exotic pike]

lalala i dont care

[cloud sinew]

brainlet mindset

[frank grove]

😭

[eager summit]

do you like this, shiba

[serene forge]

terrifying blunder emoji reaction

[subtle drum]

yes

[exotic pike]

i Love photograph i Love being mid at the game

[serene forge]

black stake

[exotic pike]

i have infinite time to improve

[manic zealot]

to be fair, photo is my most played joker above chad even. I think I just liked it a lot as a new player? I have no idea

[exotic pike]

its not a race

[lyric karma]

That's a fallacy

[digital pewter]

are you kidding me

[exotic pike]

who knows, maybe ill get to c++ in three years time

[digital pewter]

i lose if i take it

[cloud sinew]

no you dont

[exotic pike]

im sorry i dont speak reddit

[serene forge]

no actually you have 50-51 years on average to do so

[exotic pike]

yeah yeah memento mori and all

[weary whale]

Not really. You’re basically guaranteed a flush per hand if you reroll correctly, and there’s a lot you can still do around it.

If I get something like The Duo or Trio, that’s a bonus on top of the flush.

[lyric karma]

im not even a reddit user wdym

[rancid gull]

unus annus reference???

[exotic pike]

something something ad hominen fallacy

[frank grove]

I’m usually playing like flush house later on checkered deck I’m shocked you stick with flushes the whole time

[rancid gull]

nahhhh the kamoshida is dirty lmao

don't do that

[eager summit]

this was my first black stake victory

[still pike]

Might be my first black stake win

[cloud sinew]

"usually" is interesting, @manic talon how often do you run flush houses on checkered?

[still pike]

If I dont mess up from now on

[eager summit]

this should make you happy then

[digital pewter]

congrats

[weary whale]

Checkered is the only deck I’ve beaten Gold Stake on. That’s lets you know it’s ol reliable for me

[manic talon]

Only if i see obelisk, so like, very rarely

[cloud sinew]

cool

thought id get a take from the checkered expert

[frank grove]

I mean like that’s what I usually end up doing, but I don’t play it a lot tbf

[lyric shore]

how often is it flushes the whole time tho

[lyric karma]

ok but seriously i think im going to leave balatro for a while

college starts tomorrow and i have to focus on it

[exotic pike]

wait i didnt actually mean to make fun of you /gen

[rancid gull]

I think I like chad

[grand shadow]

guys, what are the acceptable skips on first blind of a run at gold stake? i assume the $25 after boss? anything else?

[weary whale]

Considering there’s only two separate suits you get them a lot

[subtle drum]

nice… square joker tho!?

[lyric karma]

thats unrelated, but i know, dont worry

[rancid gull]

square is good chips scaling

[manic zealot]

it's really good on gold stake

[frank grove]

Square is decent chips scaling

[weary whale]

CARD SHARP APPRECIATION

[subtle drum]

i never thought i’d hear anyone say that but okay

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[exotic pike]

anyways i have a long time to improve. i dont play many other games anyways + i play balatro whenever i can, esp since i do all of my vanilla stuff on my phone

will my opinions change? lol yeah

[serene forge]

calling someone a reddit user as an insult then immediately posting this is insane to me ngl

[manic zealot]

it's the common consensus among experienced gold stake players

[frank grove]

I mean, I feel like it’s a fairly cold take. Square has been decent for a whileee

[still pike]

What do I get or do so I can sell a joker and win my first black stake?

[weary whale]

It’s easy to work with. Two pair, four of a kind, and you can always throw in an extra non-scoring card or two if the hand is less than 4

[lyric shore]

4oak??

[upper spade]

I'm dying trying to Gold Stake the Nebula Deck.

[exotic pike]

i HATE two pair

[ancient gyro]

pair*

[exotic pike]

i never get anything good with it

[subtle drum]

y’all know i love my 5 card hands tho

[rancid gull]

good luck, i hate that deck

[exotic pike]

its awful

[frank grove]

Nebula is sooo annoying

[digital pewter]

if you think about it, couldn't you just resend this back? like an infinite loop?

[lyric shore]

nova is probably good atp, dont sell unless you gotta

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[still pike]

What do I sell on the boss then?

[grand shadow]

@still pike well hanging chad is useless if everything is debuffed right? so that would be a sell. i hope you're not relying on it to win though

[ancient gyro]

nothing really

[digital pewter]

"i portray you as the seething wojak user, looking for wojaks to insult me. just let me find the wojak to insult you of that first..."

[rancid gull]

you...

[weary whale]

New Joker idea

Three’s a Crowd; Earn x3 mult if hand contains a 3OAK of 3, 6, or 9.

[cloud sinew]

i would sell chad for supernova and just not sell anything against the boss

[still pike]

Only if burnt wasn't eternal

[exotic pike]

meet potential hand

❌️ reliable drawing
✅️ slow scaling

"just wait until immolate"
"two pair goes crazy on checkered deck"

give me strength
give me fire
give me spare trousers
or i retire

[subtle drum]

everything is hypocrisy

[ancient gyro]

did you not...

[serene forge]

trio but objectively worse

[rancid gull]

Don't white stake me again...

[cloud sinew]

just seems like a more niche trio

[ancient gyro]

buy the nova 💔

[gentle island]

how do you get +mult reliably in a madness run

[lyric shore]

bro ur cards are unenhanced why does it matter

[cloud sinew]

planets

[still pike]

I sold chad

[spring granite]

has anybody ever said two pair goes crazy on checkered deck

[gentle island]

ok

[exotic pike]

no im just making shit up

[still pike]

Not all just the ones shows no far

[digital pewter]

the eternal abstract joker, clearly

[serene forge]

planets and play straights or something

[weary whale]

Completely forgot about Trio

That lets you know how little I do 3OAK

[digital pewter]

also this yeah lol

[exotic pike]

3oak used to be my 2nd most played hand but now its prolly pairs

[serene forge]

if you don't get a mult joker out of the gate you should start building for a bigger hand

until you can find one

[ancient gyro]

find any decent eternal mult scaler

[exotic pike]

my most played is a tie between flush and high card. if i can get a burnt joker early, its always high card

[ancient gyro]

or great flat mult

[frank grove]

My most played is pairs by a lot I think

[digital pewter]

anyways, two new gold stickers is pretty nice with cloud 9 and bootstraps

[still pike]

I won my first ever black stake

[exotic pike]

high card is the hand i scale by default bc of its reliability

[gentle island]

OK but like reliably that is hard

[serene forge]

why not pair

[digital pewter]

that ankh sucked though lmao

[exotic pike]

combine it with burgular + green joker and you've got good stuff

[serene forge]

i have like 8000 pairs played

[grand shadow]

congrats

[gentle island]

like "find 10 eternal negative blueprints"

[exotic pike]

cus high card is easier for me lol

[frank grove]

I have over 20k pairs played across both my profiles

[serene forge]

is it

[ancient gyro]

not like the alternatives are much better. you're also more likely to keep an eternal mult scaler

[exotic pike]

for me yeah

[weary whale]

I had a burglar/green joker run earlier today and omg it was good

[exotic pike]

it depends on synergy

[serene forge]

you listed pair jokers

[gentle island]

fair

[serene forge]

for your synergies

[lyric shore]

what if there was a hand that was 99% as reliable but has way more synergy and scales better

[exotic pike]

those r also good for high card too

[serene forge]

they are

but pairs are better

[viral rivet]

hi

[frank grove]

Yeah, like shoot the moon is a more high card oriented choice

[serene forge]

they scale better

[still pike]

Im passed small blind

[subtle drum]

hi

[ancient gyro]

it's a pair joker

[exotic pike]

i like high card

[ancient gyro]

I would know

[spring granite]

shoot the moon mentioned

[exotic pike]

why do pairs get so much glaze in the balatro community anyways 😭

[serene forge]

i didn't ask if you liked high card or not i asked why do you think high card is better than pair

[subtle drum]

idek

[frank grove]

Because they work

[ebon condor]

op

[frank grove]

Consistently

[serene forge]

because theyre good

[spring granite]

truly, flush is better

[serene forge]

like insanely good

[weary whale]

Satellite & Astronomer would be an amazing Econ synergy setup

[grand shadow]

@exotic pike i mean, the best balatro player in the world who never loses at gold stake literally spams pairs, so maybe that's why

[subtle drum]

i feel like you’re just looking for people to argue with atp

[serene forge]

it's insane how effective they manage to be

[rancid gull]

pairs are extremely easy to build for

[spring granite]

you can play 3 more lucky cards!

[serene forge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA_DiPpJkX8

[exotic pike]

reminds me of this meme i saw

[rancid gull]

almost every joker supports them

[frank grove]

Caps at 12 and you need to play all 3 secret hands so it’s not that great

[rancid gull]

five card hands just don't hold as much of a candle to them

[spring granite]

what if you just don't play pairs

[fringe nebula]

colin actually using pair build wow

this world is moving towards a difection

[gentle island]

I mean with satellite the problem is not buying the planets its finding them

[ebon condor]

and pretty much every skilled balatro player agrees pairs are easily the strongest hand in the game

[serene forge]

that's a failure in game design then

[spring granite]

what?

[fringe nebula]

pair and 3oak players eating good

[spring granite]

I mean just don't play them, play something else

[exotic pike]

i know LOL

[serene forge]

you can't just have one thing blatantly be overpowered and just never do anything about it because "oh you can just pretend it doesn't exist"

[gentle island]

every single run im playing a flush not every single run im playing a pair

[exotic pike]

its so silly

[ancient gyro]

the problem is the amount of rounds it takes to profit from scaling it in the first place

[still pike]

Im at ante 10 I hope I can keep going

[gentle island]

but I do agree pairs are better

[ebon condor]

great job we're all so proud of you <3

[spring granite]

i think you misunderstood my point. Any player can just ignore it because it's not their job to fix the problem

[gentle island]

yeah

[manic talon]

i feel like its just not worth the squeeze, and unlike strush, consistency is made solely from deckfixing cuz you dont have support joker for full house. its fine to play if you need a little score boost, but actually having it as your main game plan feels ass

[serene forge]

that's irrelevant

[frank grove]

Oh yeah you can ignore the problem but like this is the balatro discord talking about what’s strong is fairly useful

[spring granite]

no

[still pike]

Win?

[serene forge]

i don't care that random players aren't tasked with balancing the game

[spring granite]

you aren't forced to play pairs just because it's the strongest

[serene forge]

that is literally not the point of discussion

[cloud sinew]

then youre playing worse to fix something that shouldn't be there anyway

[weary whale]

I’m just trying to think of good synergies I haven’t seen a lot of

Drivers License & Certificate

Ramen & Burglar

Rocket & Bootstraps

Certificate & Vampire

[cloud sinew]

you are if you want to win

[ebon condor]

but youre asking players, especially ones whose goals are to win (either for streaks or completion), to intentionally nerf themselves, and while making the game more fun, stifling their own potential to win

[grand shadow]

i mean, it's not a secret that the game isn't perfectly balanced, next update is going to try to address some of it

[serene forge]

stuntman blackboard

[fringe nebula]

midas mask and campfire

[spring granite]

this mindset is off putting

[fringe nebula]

this is a strong combo trust

[still pike]

Noooo my run lost

[ebon condor]

players want to win at the game fork found in kitchen

[cloud sinew]

winning is what most people strive for actually. losing runs tends to be the "bad" result

[spring granite]

I obviously can't break through what you've forced yourselves to believe

[serene forge]

horse

[cloud sinew]

you haven't even attempted to do so

[frank grove]

We all play the game ??

[cloud sinew]

you just said "you can just not do that" and then said "this mindset is off putting"

[spare canopy]

Losing in small blind is the meta tho

[still pike]

Time to do blue stake zodiac deck

[serene forge]

"we've tried nothing and all options have been exhausted"

[ancient gyro]

im open for better implementations for fh and 5oak builds that involve joker variety like wee and fib rather than straight up planet fuel

[spring granite]

you can just not force yourself to play pairs

[eager summit]

well, that's gonna be my personal best for a while

[frank grove]

But we’re not ???

[cloud sinew]

i'm forced to if i want to win

[frank grove]

That’s not what’s happening

[spring granite]

do you see what they're saying.

[grand shadow]

it's silly to expect players to enforce limitations on themselves and purposely increase their chance of losing for the sake of variety. the game itself should encourage said variety. but also game balance is hard

[lyric shore]

we play it because its the best way to win and thats the goal

[weary whale]

I have no idea how controversial this will be, but I have never, ever gotten any use out of Superposition. It’s just a severely worse Cartomancer & Hallucination

Hell, 8 Ball is still probably better

[frank grove]

What’s happening is that pairs are so consistent so you might as well play them because they work, you can do other stuff and a lot of people do, but pairs do work

[cloud sinew]

I want to win.
How can I "not play pairs" if I want to win?

[frank grove]

And the game can somewhat force your hand into stuff

[serene forge]

hold on are we sure lucky card gambler is able to read

i heard theyre a balatro player

[cloud sinew]

youre pretty much saying to play suboptimally so that youre not forced to play optimally

[cloud sinew]

like yeah, no shit.

[molten skiff]

Hi, need an advice
Is it better for me to take the photo insted of one of the chads? And in general is it better to have more retiggers or xMult cards?

[manic zealot]

not considering what your build is rn, no. what you have is stronger

[terse vale]

tldr gambling in this game is suboptimal and playing optimally wins you games

[ebon condor]

people arent forcing THEMSELVES to play pairs, they are trying to reach goals that require winning consistently (things like c+, c++, or high streaks), and are therefore forced to play the meta if they want to achieve those goals, at least without spending inordinate amounts of time or subjective themselves to rng

[spring granite]

I think I just fundamentally play this game differently. I have never had to play pairs to win.

[grand shadow]

basically the benefit of bigger hands is supposed to be their planet scaling, but pairs let you play so many and have more synergies that they just end up scaling in different ways. so it's more reliability without the intended drawback

[terse vale]

did I get that right

[cloud sinew]

if you dont win much then your logic doesnt really apply

[spring granite]

It's incredibly strange to see such pushback in favor of the meta.

[frank grove]

Yeah but you probably don’t have the highest win %

[cloud sinew]

it's like if i never took cavendish and then said ive never been forced to take cavendish to win. it's because i never even consider taking it in the first place

[ebon condor]

nobody is saying that they like playing the meta, or that pair meta is good for the game, or that you NEED to play pairs to win, people are saying its the best if you want to win CONSISTENTLY

[serene forge]

you're just spitting out words at this point

[molten skiff]

Aight, appreciate the advice

[pale wolf]

playing pairs is the highest winrate option, though, its not about being unable to win without them
its about winning the most with them

[rancid gull]

wait can someone catch me up

if u don't mind

[frank grove]

Like you can win with straights or even full house if you want but like are you going to be able to win 9/10 gs runs with full houses? No of course not

[serene forge]

"hmm, i don't really feel like using rebate or square today. they're too strong, i'm just gonna skip here i think"

[spring granite]

I was never against winning consistently. I was simply saying if they consider it a problem they can simply play "suboptimally" as they said as an alternative.

[frank grove]

😭

Rebate bad because it uses my discards guys

[ebon condor]

ok but what do you think these players goals are

[cloud sinew]

but people don't want to play suboptimally, they want the optimal strategy to not be so repetitive in a roguelike

[frank grove]

How will o get my 4oak in ante 2

[weary whale]

I see both sides.

Yes it’s fun to win, but can it really be considered fun if you’re going the same route with the same results over and over again?

There’s only so many times I can watch people do a Mime+Baron red seal steel King build before it just gets boring.

It’d be the same playing. Obviously some was of playing are better, but a want a unique variety in playing.

[manic zealot]

other builds work in the game considering what the game GIVES you. I just did a run where I played two pairs with trousers and then picked up an obelisk and shortcut, switching to straights. this is just one example where you do not have to ALWAYS play pairs to win gold stake. it's just the safest thing you can do to win in most cases.

[spring granite]

I really don't understand why this became an argument

[frank grove]

It’s not the same route ??

[serene forge]

you made it one

lmao

[pale wolf]

🤨

[terse vale]

lowkey I do this sometimes cus I know it would be a boring game
keyword sometimes

[pale wolf]

very good observation

[grand shadow]

i mean, even if you spam pairs, the jokers add variety to how you play the game, it's not like every run feels the same

[ebon condor]

people who promote pair meta arent the kind of people who play this game just to mess around and have fun

[serene forge]

yeah sometimes i do but if i'm trying to win i obviously don't lmfao

[frank grove]

Yeah

[serene forge]

that's the whole thing

[terse vale]

yeah

[spring granite]

If that's how you see it. I was confused by how you responded and have repeatedly been trying to clarify what i meant.

[cloud sinew]

a lot of runs feel the same if youre playing optimally

[serene forge]

if winning is important to you you do whatever you can to do that

[covert steeple]

Well, time to watch videos on getting better at this

[eternal kestrel]

What the shit there’s a meta

[ebon condor]

these peoples GOALS are to win

[cloud sinew]

of course there is

[pale wolf]

Balatro University and nobody else :p

[rancid gull]

there's a meta for everything

[cloud sinew]

there'll always be a meta unless there's like no difference in how things work

chess has a meta lol

[eternal kestrel]

I thought the goal was gamble

[eternal kestrel]

Yo

[strange delta]

For someone trying to do C+ what are the hardest decks to start with?

[ebon condor]

black n plasma

[fringe nebula]

plasma/black deck

[weary whale]

The goal is “Number Go Up.” Big difference there

[pale wolf]

the goal is not gamble

[eternal kestrel]

Plasma deck and black deck

[eternal kestrel]

True

[grand shadow]

card game players want to win the card game, fucked up if true

[molten skiff]

Right after this ante I got The plant as a boss blind lmao and no disable or change boss blind xd well there goes my best rng run

[strange delta]

I did black deck

[covert steeple]

Watching them rn

[cloud sinew]

black deck, plasma, nebula

[strange delta]

How the fuck does plasma work?

[manic zealot]

damn well sometimes it do be like that :/

[frank grove]

Nebula is annoying, erosion can be a little tough occasionally

[eternal kestrel]

Equalized chips and mult

[cloud sinew]

2000x2 becomes 1001x1001

[spring granite]

I just hope you aren't losing out on fun because of it.

[terse vale]

just because balatro is poker based does not mean that gambling is key !!!

[strange delta]

Explained enough thanks lol.

[frank grove]

Yeah so usually early game chips are very very good late game multiple sources of x mult are better

[pale wolf]

adds chips+mult at the point it would normally multiply them, and then divides that number in half and squares it

[fringe nebula]

i'm sorry but you're talking to a balatro player here

[ancient gyro]

alternatively, 6x5 becomes 5x5 (it rounds down lol)

[weary whale]

In the words of the great Stupendium

“If you’re ever in the dumps or feeling stuck in a rut. Then you haven’t had the fun of watching number go up!”

[strange delta]

That doesnt even sound fun.

[slow grail]

2 pairs supremacy (+1 gold sticker)

[eternal kestrel]

It actually is

[pale wolf]

its strictly a higher number

[cloud sinew]

I am losing out on fun by the game being repetitive, but it would be less fun if I lost.
the best solution is just for the game to have less of a stagnant meta (which is being addressed in 1.1, but that's not out yet)

[pale wolf]

bc of math

[eternal kestrel]

Very excited for 1.1

[strange delta]

I just finished erratic deck. I got a few left.

[frank grove]

Yeah also playing different decks can make pair spamming less samey

[eternal kestrel]

I only play ghost deck because that’s the only deck I have gold stake fun on

[manic talon]

I LOVE BLOODSTONE GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[ancient gyro]

plasmas default best hand is two pairs so if you're really furious of the pair lobotomy meta then there's your plasma derivative

[frank grove]

I have gs fun on all the decks bar nebular honestly

[grand shadow]

ghost deck is fun, encourages me to ride out with jokers i normally wouldn't because i want the hex value

[strange delta]

I play whatever hand the game wants me to play.

I used to be a flush player then i kept losing.

[lucid glacier]

im doing gold stake checkered deck and got bloodstone

[frank kraken]

anyone know how to do the trick with the vouchers to get both tier 1 & 2 in the same shop

[stone shell]

yes because gambling is the lock and the key is your common sense

[frank grove]

Slow the game down in the settings

[stone shell]

or rather the lack of

[frank grove]

You need to buy 1st tier before the rest show up iirc

[frank kraken]

thats it

ok

thanks

[strange delta]

Enjoy the win lol.

[ancient gyro]

it gets creative when you're at the point where you say you had fun doing black++ (me)

[lucid glacier]

if i get oops all 6s

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt work with multiple voucher tags, just with the first voucher in shop and then the next vouchers from tags can be the tier 2 of that first voucher

[ancient gyro]

the same argument ppl bring up why black deck isn't fun (losing a lot)

[strange delta]

Or a retrigger joker.

[eternal kestrel]

True

[strange delta]

THE HEAD

[frank kraken]

i see thx for the information

[manic zealot]

hack is about to obliterate

[cloud sinew]

you can get to ante -1 that way though

[weary whale]

My set up for gold stake checkered

[eternal kestrel]

True

[lucid glacier]

WE PRAY THAT THE HEAD DOSENT SHOW UP

[cloud sinew]

its 1/3840 on yellow deck im pretty sure

[manic zealot]

delicious

[frank kraken]

also

[ancient gyro]

tbf you're forced to play suboptimally when doing c++

[cloud sinew]

this is true

[eternal kestrel]

THE HEAD SHOULD QUIVER WHEN THE SOUL AWAKENS THE RED GENERAL

[frank kraken]

it does work with vouchers past the first

[cloud sinew]

optimal becomes different for C++

[frank kraken]

i just did it

[cloud sinew]

i mean that you cant buy the vouchers after the first before the next ones spawn

[frank kraken]

oh

mb

[ebon condor]

brief period of time where anaglyph is a good deck 😨

[lucid glacier]

The Head Runs away in fear when chicot loses his temper

[cloud sinew]

quite brief

[cloud sinew]

i still think that blue/yellow/abandoned are better than anaglyph even in early C++

[lucid glacier]

Yes

[cloud sinew]

because of how consistent they are

[eternal kestrel]

What does anaglyph even change in gold stake

[frank grove]

Yeah

Blue is usually my go to for like consistency

[strange delta]

It's gonna show

[lucid glacier]

no

[eternal kestrel]

Also btw FUCK Violet vessel

I’ve lost SO many runs to it

[lucid glacier]

True

[ancient gyro]

fr

[quick cobalt]

that is the greatest depiction of all time

[cloud sinew]

i be eating plants all the time dawg. they dont hurt me at all

[eternal kestrel]

Look at your face

[strange delta]

Are they good?

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[strange delta]

Nom nom

[ancient gyro]

I've paid my tributes

[cloud sinew]

fruits are awesome

[lucid glacier]

I like photochad

Perkeo is fro seeded runs

[eternal kestrel]

True

[manic talon]

only good build that dies to plant is like photochad, and all you need is one glass card to stop it from killing you, plant is just endless' problem

[terse vale]

the worst part about photochad is how its not actually a bad combo

[lucid glacier]

its a good combo when it gets going

[ancient gyro]

plant counters trib builds if you want to get into the conversation about what the best joker that gets fully countered by plant is

[idle kernel]

this is fun

[weary whale]

If the face card is holographic or has the Empress +4 mult, it’s even better

[ebon condor]

i mean if we're talking best joker that gets fully countered by plant thats midas mask

[terse vale]

eh

[ebon condor]

but obv thats pretty much completely irrelevant

[ancient gyro]

worst part about it is that it can still be a pair of pair jokers

[spring granite]

Why I said the mindset was off putting is mainly because of the lack of charitability in replies. As if any dissent or disagreement must immediately be shut down, with the addition of toxicity, without considering the alternative. The meta is expressed as being so overwhelming; it seems like a prison.
My perspective obviously seems strange to you, but it exists as an option. Looking back at it, it's just disappointing that it became an argument, and I should've said what I meant and left it there. I think that's all I have to say, and I'll gladly move on.

[weary whale]

This just made me realize Plant & Canio would be best friends

[covert steeple]

This is so fricking confusing

[viral rivet]

is abandoned deck the easiest deck to beat? because i think im dumb or something

[ancient gyro]

it's within the top 3

[frank grove]

I would say blue/ghost is

[ancient gyro]

ghost isn't even in the top 5

[frank grove]

i find ghost soo easy

[ancient gyro]

yeah but there's easier

[night turret]

Kill me

[lucid glacier]

Blue ang ghost are my 2 favorite decks

[frank grove]

What is your top 3

[brave goblet]

ghost and yellow are the two easiest decks for c++

[spring granite]

I find a lot of success with magic deck and yellow deck. They're very forgiving for early on.

[ancient gyro]

blue, yellow, abandoned

[frank grove]

oh yeah yellow I always forget about yellow

I almost never play yellow deck

[manic talon]

in white stake or in general?

[ancient gyro]

blue holds the 93 gs win streak record so ofc its at the top

[frank grove]

Yeah

[ancient gyro]

yellow is more rental forgiving

[spring granite]

well don't say that, the next blind might ablige

[frank grove]

I like ghost for the early money lead

[ancient gyro]

blue and yellow are better at doing that

[frank grove]

But I did just forget about yellow so mb

[ancient gyro]

and magic technically

[frank grove]

Magic is pretty good

[ancient gyro]

same default ev

[frank grove]

I like being able to one shot big blind with like a util joker however

[slim turret]

probabky my luckiest run ngl https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/885726947135606848/1475267299203092551/Screen_Shot_2026-02-22_at_3.05.29_PM.png?ex=699cdd3d&is=699b8bbd&hm=cf3b54f751d7852ecc6a704185f95b64686eaf536fed79b9cdc5c7ff4021934c&

[spring granite]

observatory early?

nice

[slim turret]

was thinking “i should find some xmult” then observatory showed up ante 8

[lucid glacier]

Time to pray for hanging chad

[slim turret]

perkeo early 😛

[spring granite]

well yeah that definitely helps

[slim turret]

yep

[spring granite]

the hanging chad is always right around the corner

[ebon condor]

dude the issue is that youre doing the equivalent of telling minecraft speedrunners that theyd be having more fun if they built a house instead. yeah, youre probably right, but their goal is to beat minecraft as fast as possible. why would they do something which is directly opposed to their goals?

im like 90% sure that pretty much everyone here has intentionally not played pairs on purpose in order to have fun, like youre suggesting, including myself. however, when they are playing FOR THE PURPOSE OF WINNING, for whatever reason, they are going to play the optimal strategy. people have done challenge runs where they dont play pairs before, but if its not a restriction for your goal, why make it harder for yourself?

[viral rivet]

im doing white stake

[terse vale]

can I have the seed after you’re done

[lucid glacier]

Sure

[night turret]

WHATS ONE MORE HAND SIZE ANYWAY

[grand shadow]

how often do you guys buy the boss reroll voucher? only if you're super rich? seems like a good buy if you have photo chad already

[cloud sinew]

depends, but i would say i skip it more often than i buy it.

[lucid glacier]

when im using face card build

[spring granite]

I understand this. I wasn't intentionally directing that point at people who care about winning. I was moreso just putting my perspective into the ether.

[ebon condor]

its generally a smart idea to buy it if you have the income to spare

[manic talon]

blue or abandoned is pretty good, not like you need more money when small blind gives you free money then (technically plasma would be the best but i'm assuming you havent unlocked it yet)

[night turret]

If I know I will have more then 10 bucks before hitting boss bind

[rancid gull]

should I skip for celestial pack?

[night turret]

Just in case’s

[night turret]

Fuuuuck no

[dapper pond]

Is there anything i can do 🫩✌️

[terse vale]

i’d buy it at like 25 dollars maybe
also get glass for plant

[viral rivet]

yeah i alr done blue, but idk why i cant beat abandoned

[terse vale]

so chad triggers the glass

[viral rivet]

im stuck with it

[frank grove]

Yeah if I have like 20 over interest I’ll get it but usually it’s just to protect for card sharp but i skip it a lot

[ebon condor]

naw dw, i dont think anyone directly doesnt understand your mindset, its just not how they play the game, and the way you were talking kinda implied that you were suggesting that they stop playing the game in the way they prefer

if you play the game to have fun, more power to you

[ancient gyro]

abandoned is too versatile in terms of deck refinement and finding value cards. it's also the most hand diverse deck out of all of them which says a lot in a stale pair lobotomy meta

[ebon condor]

but 'fun' doesnt really fit into discussions of the meta

[spring granite]

Given it's a public channel, I don't get to choose who responds to it or finds an issue with it. I just had to roll with the punches.

It fuels discussion at the least

[vocal rose]

I honestly take it alot if i’m able to hold full interest on big blind

[ancient gyro]

ik a fun discussion when I see one

[frank grove]

I play a lottt of abandoned and zodiac and I love them both but abandoned is just sooo 🤤🤤

[ancient gyro]

if my build dies to vv I'll take it

[ebon condor]

i mean tbf, you were basically just, at least initially, saying "dont play the meta" with very little to back it up

[vocal rose]

anything that’s a violet vessel deterrent if I know I can’t score crazy i’m taking it

[lucid glacier]

i lost on the seed i can give you it but its not good

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstoen

[terse vale]

give it 2 me

please*

[lucid glacier]

EQ5LHMP4

[spring granite]

That's an issue I struggle with. I don't properly articulate my point all in one go, and instead jump to short sentences.

[serene forge]

good buy in general unless you're immune to every boss

[terse vale]

what deck & what stake !

[serene forge]

there are ways to get around plant nonetheless

[spring granite]

Violet Vessel 😁 → 😣 pipeline

[lucid glacier]

Ghost on purple

[terse vale]

k

[ancient gyro]

I made this work on a streak run of all things

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[viral rivet]

what do u recommend me to build with abandoned, im struggling to beat it

[ancient gyro]

anything really

default is still pairs

[lucid glacier]

Ride the bus

[grand shadow]

abandoned is good for straights if you get support

[ancient gyro]

that's just any non plasma deck

[terse vale]

wtf

[frank grove]

Beautiful run

[terse vale]

seems like a good seed already 2 me

[spring granite]

Straight builds are easier and scale really well

[terse vale]

I’ll just wait to poly burglar

[viral rivet]

which jokers are good for pairs besides the chips and mult one when you use a pair

[calm furnace]

flushes dont scale my my flush has as much mult and chips as the average pair build with groker/bus and square 💀😔

[frank grove]

Any scaling mult and scaling chips works

[calm furnace]

also hone is terrible with campfire

[terse vale]

bro

[serene forge]

i hate people who say bus is only good on abanoned

[terse vale]

this seed is goated

[serene forge]

here win

[calm furnace]

im never picking up hone again

[serene forge]

hone is a voucher that reads "waste 10 dollars"

[calm furnace]

makes purchasing non rentals to sell them way too expensive

[terse vale]

lowkey I suspected it would be goated

[ancient gyro]

new vocabulary unlocked 🔥

[grand shadow]

early bus is always good

[calm furnace]

like last ante i lost potential 4x just because of hone

[serene forge]

so that's what you meant huh

[frank grove]

Hone is fun to get shiny cards in standard packs apart from that it’s just -$10

[calm furnace]

quite a few of them tbh

[ancient gyro]

it took you that long to figure it out

[serene forge]

i'm not very smart

[ancient gyro]

guess im not surprised :3

oh

[frank grove]

LMAO

[serene forge]

man shut yo bitch ass up

[calm furnace]

yeah and to get poly on jimbo at ante 8

[frank grove]

Troooo

[serene forge]

bio

[ancient gyro]

if that happens I'll have to make a third account

[idle kernel]

2 DNAS and a holograph + hanging chad

[calm furnace]

hone being worst voucher is i think valid

[ancient gyro]

its

[serene forge]

planet tycoon:

[lucid glacier]

what is seed

[unborn cliff]

kid named magic trick

[ancient gyro]

not good but not the worst

[idle kernel]

not a seed, my run

[serene forge]

magic trick is ok

[calm furnace]

blank has upside

[calm furnace]

lvl1 voucher

[serene forge]

magic trick is probably the best bad voucher

[rancid gull]

how many ante's can i survive scoring e39 per round?

[calm furnace]

godlike for constellation

[unborn cliff]

magic trick is good like 3% of the time

[tranquil steppe]

Abstract nice!

[lucid glacier]

Can you tell me the seed when yoou die on iy pllease?

[rancid gull]

on plasma

[idle kernel]

yeah

[calm furnace]

who the fuck put question marks

[serene forge]

i would not take tycoon with constellation, way too much shop clog

[unborn cliff]

i misread is as "abstract incel"

[calm furnace]

so you wouldnt take magic trick for hologram?

it bloats ever worse

[subtle drum]

people do that when they disagree with you because they like being condescending

[spring granite]

it's quite funny isn't it. I think it's a chess.com emoji

[serene forge]

objectively wrong

[tranquil steppe]

That’s a good combo

[ancient gyro]

magic trick doesn't cost me an arm and a leg and extreme shop bloat

[serene forge]

planet tycoon planet weight is like 8x higher than that of magic trick cards

i'm not even joking

[spring granite]

haven't seen the ultra blunder in a while

[frank grove]

Bloat doesn’t really matter with hologram you’re going to get bloat no matter what

[calm furnace]

const planet tycon is good

[frank grove]

Cheaper bloat is always welcome

[idle kernel]

got blueprint

[unborn cliff]

here win

[ancient gyro]

magic trick shop weight is 4
merchant shop weight is 9.6
tycoon shop weight is 32

[tranquil steppe]

Yes

[calm furnace]

also const + clearance sale is great for campfire

[subtle drum]

pop off

[calm furnace]

and tycoon

[serene forge]

for reference default planet weight is also 4

[unborn cliff]

now we simply replace chad with a brainstorm

[idle kernel]

10.5x on holograph

[frank grove]

Tycoon is level 2 planet right? I see almost no reason to take almost ever

[idle kernel]

it'll only get bigger

[calm furnace]

why do i care about shop bloat at ante 7 when i have my jokers setup and i can get faster scaling for constellation?

[serene forge]

you got a positive reaction from cruiser i would reconsider that statement

[spring granite]

gonna ace this one

[tranquil steppe]

You’re good at googling

[subtle drum]

mm i love constellation

[calm furnace]

like some poeple disagree for the sake for disagreeing without taking the contextuality of the game itself

[ancient gyro]

wow two specific vouchers for one specific consumable hungry joker

[unborn cliff]

🥫

[ancient gyro]

you can't Google this

it's in my notepad

[tranquil steppe]

Yes you can

[calm furnace]

wow like if that doesnt exist in the game in countless other forms

guys ever heard of photochad?

[frank grove]

It is in the Balatro wiki but it is not super easy to parse over there

[ancient gyro]

find it for me please

thank you

your welcome

[unborn cliff]

yeah like when you compared hologram magic trick to constellation planet tycoon

[serene forge]

false equivalence

[slow iris]

no not really tbh

[ancient gyro]

what

[unborn cliff]

no not ever

[calm furnace]

is constoellation + tycoon always good? hell no

is tycoon useful in some edge cases? yes

[unborn cliff]

yeah thats how like every bad card works

[tranquil steppe]

Game set match

[serene forge]

you cannot compare a combo of two common jokers to a rare joker and two VOUCHERS and still pretend your argument is in good faith

[frank grove]

Yeah but like so is like illusion in edge cases I guess ? But there sure are better options for those edge cases

[calm furnace]

did i say its better than hologram + trick?

[unborn cliff]

illusion is literally like never good

its the "sure why not" voucher if anything

[ancient gyro]

okay, by default it's worse and we're going for default cases as every run uses different variables and averaging them out is a better balancing topic to disincentivize bias

[tranquil steppe]

You’re welcome succulentsupplecheeks

[slow iris]

i mean if you can take planet tycoon then aren't you already winning

[frank grove]

It can be very rarely good with vampire and I mean extremely rarely

[slow iris]

idk

[calm furnace]

its xmult if you have hologram

[serene forge]

??????

[unborn cliff]

magic trick

[ancient gyro]

the 6 dollar for 1 card voucher 🗣️

[serene forge]

so can you not read or???

[calm furnace]

you dont take speculative magic trick

[tranquil steppe]

You got owned

[frank grove]

There is no point in getting illusion if you’re just doing it for hologram because it increases the prices

[serene forge]

i don't think anyone ever takes illusion without specifically trying to get it in the collection

like you have to really try to pick it up

[spring granite]

true

[calm furnace]

i play balatro i cant read

[unborn cliff]

truth

[serene forge]

we know

[ancient gyro]

sextupling my card prices while being bugged is something I don't wanna do

[calm furnace]

illsuion works?

[subtle drum]

hater

[serene forge]

I hate Throwback

[slow iris]

not entirely

[ancient gyro]

no lol

[unborn cliff]

illusion is the most "sure why not" voucher of all time

[serene forge]

it doesnt generate seals

lmfao

it's bugged

[frank grove]

Yeah it literally doesn’t do its 3rd function lmao

[unborn cliff]

IT'S SUPPOSED TO???

[frank grove]

Yeah !!

[serene forge]

it's literally in the description

bro

read

[calm furnace]

i took once to complete collection

[ancient gyro]

yeah I can't imagine what the seal prices would be like

[frank grove]

If it did, maybe it would be slightly and only ever so slightly better

[calm furnace]

but always read that its bugged

[unborn cliff]

folk

[serene forge]

why can nobody readddddd

[frank grove]

I’ve used it quite a few times

[tranquil steppe]

So yea, google-able bruh

[ebon condor]

planet tycoon can hypothetically be good if:
-you have const
-its NOT scaled up enough (you havent already won)
-you dont need ANYTHING else from the shop for the rest of the run

[unborn cliff]

HOLY SHIT IT DOES SAY THAT

[ancient gyro]

awesome anecdote

[frank grove]

But like only for weird vampire nonsense for fun

[serene forge]

getting a blue seal from that would be interesting but also like you're never ever getting illusion early so its whatever

[calm furnace]

cool

[ancient gyro]

ikr

[ebon condor]

thats such a rare scenario that its hardly worth considering