🕹・game-discussion

[modest thicket]

well yes obv

[unreal topaz]

the shop queue had hermit and wheel, i took hermit, bought arcana and fooled that

and wheel hit grimbo from the buffoon

and devil makes it even better

[sage zodiac]

praying for brainstorm

[mystic pollen]

Bye bye gluttonous jojer

[slim turret]

its gonna be hit the road

[vocal rose]

sigh

sad to see

[vocal rose]

not a bad hit

htr is decent

[slim turret]

true

[sage zodiac]

not for my current setup

[slim turret]

true

[knotty zodiac]

F

[slim turret]

dang

[vocal rose]

why are you skipping?

you cannot hold another joker

you should be saving up money

[white flint]

im bored so

a little under 100 hours and this is my progress

[sage zodiac]

I can only survive with serpent

so I'm forced to skip

[vocal rose]

oh

you’re cooked then

[sage zodiac]

god give me antimatter please

[mystic pollen]

First 100.000.000 chips

[white flint]

haha no paint brush

[fringe nebula]

i keep getting a good run again and again and again from white stake to purple

genuinely wtf is this

[strange abyss]

Shiny red card

[slim turret]

skip for red card value

[wicked sable]

rip me

[mystic pollen]

Sadly, that challenges dont do the progress

[vocal rose]

hex is gonna have to carry for now

[mystic pollen]

Where photo

[vocal rose]

not enough econ to support

[hollow grove]

Can I get help guesstimating whether to reroll violet vessel?

I have 13 hands, debuffed pair / high card were both scoring about 40-50k - wasn't able to test my scoring because clubs were debuffed in ante 7

And I'm not 100% sure how to arrange them to maximise it - just dupe one each, or both targeting mult?

With 13 hands I am guaranteed to draw all my cards (though not all at the same time)

I think I'm probably going to reroll for safety, but it would still be good to know in advance whether I can beat it

I have a 2 red seal glass kings in deck which I have never played yet

Square on +248 chips, green joker on +77 mult

No other scoring jokers

Probably just assume these numbers for ante 8 boss because I don't want to undershoot

I have one re-roll

I think I roll, right?

Because all other options are probably less dangerous?

[strange abyss]

You need to look inside

[fringe nebula]

got a business card so it's fine

[green apex]

first goldstake completion woo

[mystic pollen]

In the reflection of my window, i only see gigachad face

[somber barn]

6 Ls in a row, call it balalalalalala

[warped moth]

Well done!

Ancient my beloved

[green apex]

first time really deck "fixing" into it

[grand lynx]

k

[tawdry burrow]

whiteboard

[knotty zodiac]

What would you do for amber?

[lunar zealot]

what the fuck am i doing

[twin shuttle]

is this a ramen angle

wee is on 256 chips
vampire is on 2.5

[tawdry burrow]

wee

[lunar zealot]

gg?????

1MR92GVN

[twin shuttle]

is it ever ramen sell brainstorm? brain is only giving 3 hands or 15 mult

[tawdry burrow]

what the fuck

[warped moth]

Gaming out of your mind

[lunar zealot]

chat play towards king of spades

im genuinely curious to know if you can get idol online within 8 antes

you get invis rocket and rebate

so econ is never a problem

[hollow grove]

Could go down to 1x speed and figure out exactly which joker was which with like 2-3 of my 13 hands

[spark kernel]

Are we deadass im starting a new run

[hollow grove]

Ohh wait I might not get 13 hands because of the shuffle

I don't know the order of operations there

Hmmm

In that case I'd have to assume 7 hands

[manic talon]

you get all the hands

[royal bobcat]

👐

[hollow grove]

Okay amber would be fine then, good to know, thx

[royal bobcat]

all them hands

[manic talon]

burger works when blind is selected so it goes before amber shuffles it

[royal bobcat]

burgers so cool

burger working with bp bs is awesome

i wished merry andy also did

[manic talon]

it doesnt look like it works like that but it does

[royal bobcat]

i hope 1.1 makes andrew compatible but i know it wont

[fringe nebula]

crimson heart sucks

[latent egret]

the fact that stuntman can get copied makes it not completely impossible

[hollow grove]

Logically then it would have to work for troubadour as well 💀

[hollow grove]

Wait what? I've never seen that

So you get more than -2 hand size when copied or just the extra chips

[latent egret]

if i remember its just the extra chips

[royal bobcat]

thing is, andrew's effect would have to be reworded to: "-1 hand size. When blind is selected, gain 3 discards"

[latent egret]

but dont quote me on that

[royal bobcat]

blueprint never copies the harmful effects

so far

you dont lose handsize from stuntman

you already lost ur discards from the first burglar

it doesnt get eaten when copying a food joker

[hollow grove]

Wouldn't it be better to just dupe vampire over ramen, since vamp is already x2.5??

Am I missing something?

[glossy mortar]

I’m shocked but photochad losing twice in a row is insane. I thought it was basically an easy setup, but no even when you have it it’s still an extremely high chance you lose.

Like before today photochad had never once ever failed me.

But failing not once but twice in a row is wild.

I’m not gonna discount it entirely but if it fails again I may have to rethink using it in the future.

[fringe nebula]

lol the stars are aligned

[hollow grove]

Yeah it's good but not great

It can lose to needle or no repeat hand types, etc ; depending on the build

Needs a lot of planets to be good since the multication happens before any of your +mult jokers

[royal bobcat]

you should refrain from using phtoochad not because its bad but because its lame

[royal bobcat]

gays in the castle

[fringe nebula]

lol good one

[knotty zodiac]

i think they need the +mult from mystic

[hollow grove]

Wait luchador has appeared in the shop and he doesn't have any sticker yet

I think I could sell brainstorm and be fine

[glossy mortar]

I mean it’s not even the bosses that kill it. The issue is it just scales like shit. It relies 100% on you having other on-play trigger jokers which sucks. Like it’s hard enough when you get one to find the other, but then to try and find an on-play jokers to accompany it just makes it so unreliable. I’m probably just going to avoid it from now on because it’s so unreliable. Then again nothing else is reliable in this game anyways so what difference does it make xD

[fringe nebula]

get blue seals

[vocal rose]

it isn’t unreliable

it’s VERY easy to pilot and make it an easy win con

[glossy mortar]

The RNG of the game is starting to take effect on me ngl. I wouldn’t be shocked if I stop playing alltogether within the next few weeks. Like the early stakes were great but the later stakes are just RNG hell.

[vocal rose]

you need to deck fix and scale 3oak

[vocal rose]

you’ll get better

it isn’t RNG hell

[fringe nebula]

3oak is a pretty good hand for photochad yeah

[vocal rose]

you just aren’t at a good enough level yet to know all the optimal choices

or most

[glossy mortar]

The 2nd photochad run had 3 blue seals, not one of them ever showed up no matter how hard I tried for them xD again, RNG is the real enemy here. No matter what you do, most runs are just destined to die.

[minor portal]

the optimal choice of purchasing magic trick

[vocal rose]

not true

[fringe nebula]

whoa, let's not go to the extreme conclusion

[vocal rose]

there hasn’t been a discovered UNWINNABLE seed

[glossy mortar]

Anyways I’m gonna go back to the reset hell that is starting a run ;.;

[knotty zodiac]

its not just rng

https://youtu.be/IuDjUhYTTgQ

[hollow grove]

I think the line here genuinely might be just sell brainstorm and not reroll the blind

Selling luchador would mean no sticker (yet 👀) but means I wouldn't need to hit the massive score from vv and could just play normally

Edit: I guess I could try to calculate whether I could sell green or square instead but that's too much work and I wouldn't want to lose to a miscommunication like that

[fringe nebula]

chat, would you sell the hex and open the second buffoon pack in this situation

whatever i'll do it anyway

[vocal rose]

@glossy mortar

[glossy mortar]

Well that was quick xD run started with photo and next shop had chad. I guess we go for a 3rd time now.

Lets see if this photochad fails like the last 2 did xD

[knotty zodiac]

whats inside

[fringe nebula]

perishable chaos the clown

[tranquil steppe]

Ampharos is a GOAT Pokemon

[knotty zodiac]

5 free rerolls. not bad

[hollow grove]

Which joker is that again? 3oak mult?

[vocal rose]

slippery slope you’re about to run into

[glossy mortar]

No fucking shot xD

[vocal rose]

don’t jump to the conclusion photochad is bad if you lose

[fringe nebula]

ok run is dead at ante 1

go next

[slim turret]

3oak is a pretty good hand from what i’ve played im kind of suprised i dont see people talking about it too much

though thinking about it now i guess it just gets overshadowed by 4oak

[glossy mortar]

Okay so unless a get fucked by a boss here, there is so way this fails.

[vocal rose]

I don’t think it does

[glossy mortar]

I got Micheal on the following shop, got it, killed it, then immediately got cavendish.

[vocal rose]

3oak is a gate into 4oak

[glossy mortar]

I now have photochad and cavendish.

[mighty swallow]

holy no joker space...

[vocal rose]

3oak serves its own purpose very well

[glossy mortar]

All i need is something to supplement the photochad.

[vocal rose]

tf is pareidolia doing

get rid of that

[mighty swallow]

abandoned deck

still no face cards

[vocal rose]

o

in 6 antes?

no deck fixing?

[mighty swallow]

yup

[vocal rose]

yikes

[mighty swallow]

i've bought every tarot pack

[fringe nebula]

we need a sample

it's hard to understand what you're struggling with unless you show us a seed or smth

[vocal rose]

deck fixing and scaling

[hollow grove]

Face card build on abandoned deck is a bold choice

[slim turret]

i suppose thats true

[vocal rose]

3oak

[vocal rose]

I’ll be blunt

the guy makes alot of claims out of frustration

[mighty swallow]

||explain bold choice as a non-native english speaker please||

[vocal rose]

which so far have all been skill issue complaints

nothing wrong with it but that’s jusr what i’ve noticed

[oak axle]

Guys do I anhk Golden Tick

[vocal rose]

nah

you hold onto ankh

[oak axle]

Until?

[shell dagger]

a confident choice with high risk and high reward

[oak axle]

What

[vocal rose]

an actual useful joker

[mighty swallow]

thanks

[vocal rose]

assuming naneinf grind so

a copy joker or a rebate maybe

[mighty swallow]

but actually, im'm skipping brainstorm, right?

[shell dagger]

yeah

[hollow grove]

Abandoned deck starts with zero face cards, and it looks like your scoring revolves around your cards being considered face cards

It's a bit surprising, feels like the sort of thing you'd do in order to flex or see if you could

Dubious but also fun(ny)

[torpid bridge]

Golden ticket with retriggers actually make more money than rebate

[shell dagger]

the only consideration for brainstorm is that it’s better than blueprint against acorn

tbh

[mighty swallow]

xD

[shell dagger]

for that reason you probably swap it just to get the ante 8 win

[vocal rose]

look at his jokers

[torpid bridge]

I mean if he finds a retrigger he can ank the golden ticket

[shell dagger]

also they only have 3 hands

[oak axle]

I dies to play only 1 type

[hollow grove]

Probably yeah

Blueprint is better anyway, and they're only as good as the best non bp/bs joker they can copy

[oak axle]

Lol

[vocal rose]

how?

[oak axle]

The run starts with double -1 ante vouch

[oak axle]

I played straight and didn't got much discard/hand cuz of the vouch lol

[neon jackal]

blueprint and brainstorm are both basically the same except for placement

[vocal rose]

eh not really

[mighty swallow]

i didnt even think of that as a "challenge" or "flex" tho. It looked as a good way to secure synergy

[vocal rose]

blueprint and brainstorm aren’t the same in terms of viability

[mighty swallow]

blueprint is actually a bit better

[neon jackal]

how

[mighty swallow]

sometimes a lot better

[vocal rose]

blueprint is 100% better than brainstorm

[royal bobcat]

the abortion build is real

[vocal rose]

by a decent bit too

[vocal rose]

because of the way it copies

[hollow grove]

So you could win gold stake with no jokers other than bp/bs?

[neon jackal]

doesnt brainstorm work the same way?

[royal bobcat]

yes

[vocal rose]

strawman

[royal bobcat]

you could win gold stake with no joker so

[vocal rose]

never claimed that

but to answer your question

yes I can

[mighty swallow]

when you have +Mult and xMult you want to copy xMult but you have to place it at the start so +Mult is now doesnt really have value

[vocal rose]

no?

[shell dagger]

If you have 4 brainstorms you can only copy one thing, if you have 4 blueprints you can spread them out

[royal bobcat]

zoahl flexing time

[neon jackal]

makes sense

[neon jackal]

also makes sense

[shell dagger]

Also brainstorm copying an xmult if you also have a +mult is suboptimal

[neon jackal]

thank you all for educating me

[vocal rose]

the way brainstorm copies unfortunately makes it not all that for a standard gold stake setup

being mult and x mult

however brainstorm is still

"holy fuck I got brainstorm"

[neon jackal]

yeah

[vocal rose]

not "aw its not blueprint"

[neon jackal]

thats how i usually react

[round marsh]

Ello everyone

[royal bobcat]

idk im not hyped when i get brainstorm

[hollow grove]

I believe blueprint is strictly better - jokers activate left to right

Brainstorm must copy the joker in the leftmost slot, blueprint just copies whatever is to its right

[mighty swallow]

for some reason i get better reaction for brainstorm than blueprint

[vocal rose]

im more hyped seeing brainstorm than blueprint bc its fun

[mighty swallow]

true true

[neon jackal]

yeah makes sense

brainstorm looks cooler

that's why

[shell dagger]

it’s not strictly better

[vocal rose]

the only screenshot we need to explain blueprint>brainstorm in most cases

[shell dagger]

eg if the copy joker has a polychrome edition and is copying a +mult joker

but 99% of the time it’s better

[torpid bridge]

I want a double dice run

[neon jackal]

double dice all lucky card run

[knotty zodiac]

fire up some fragile

[neon jackal]

fragile is the bane of my existence in terms of challenges

I cannot manage cards whatsoever

[mighty swallow]

yayyy first strength. Way to face cards

[neon jackal]

double copy photo?

[mighty swallow]

yes

[neon jackal]

i thought it was optimal to copy 1 chad 1 photo

[maiden citrus]

prolly yeah

[vocal rose]

everytime im at this point

its usually a win more

[mighty swallow]

wait, wasnt the change for wheel 1 in 6 all the time? am i missing something?

[maiden citrus]

on abandoned deck tho

[vocal rose]

the copying is usually not too important

[vocal rose]

no

1/4

[maiden citrus]

i thought it was

[neon jackal]

i'm not a pro so ill go with your word

[neon jackal]

it was always 1/4

[maiden citrus]

for 1/6

[mighty swallow]

what a mandella effect...
What was 1 in 6 then?

[vocal rose]

I mean im not giving good advice im just lazy

[vocal rose]

gros michel

[royal bobcat]

it's a 1/4

but the odds of getting polychrome specifically is 1/6

[neon jackal]

cavendish

lmao

[vocal rose]

cavendish is 1/1000

[mighty swallow]

okay...

weird but okay

[royal bobcat]

its michel

[neon jackal]

yeah i know lol im kidding

[maiden citrus]

yall wanna play multiplayer

[knotty zodiac]

double dice cavendish, when you're feeling a lil risky

[royal bobcat]

the odds for wheel are
foil: 3/6
holo: 2/6
poly: 1/6

[neon jackal]

risk taking randy over here

[maiden citrus]

plasma deck white stake

[mighty swallow]

actually, yes, it is more optimal. About 3 times more optimal

[maiden citrus]

for multiplayer

[knotty zodiac]

balatro needs a rimworld storyteller

[neon jackal]

damn didn't know that

alright

[neon jackal]

yes

indeed

[royal bobcat]

how come

[neon jackal]

im genuinely feeling so dead right now

besides the point

[neon jackal]

2x2 is more than 3x1

[mighty swallow]

fuck.

[neon jackal]

you get 2 more retriggers

[glacial galleon]

if I am attempting a nan inf run, I have two mimes already, but picked up invis do I sell one and hope it hits blueprint this time?

[neon jackal]

2x2 is 4x more mult

[mighty swallow]

I've bought reroll voucher but forgot about it

[neon jackal]

idk how 3x more optimal

[royal bobcat]

what

[glacial galleon]

cause I only have one blueprint rn

[neon jackal]

tho

[knotty zodiac]

if you have some glass you might survive selling the pareidolia

[mighty swallow]

i dont know man. triple photo gave me 80k score, double photo and chad gave me 270k

[neon jackal]

man idek anymore

[mighty swallow]

none =_)

[knotty zodiac]

gggg

[mighty swallow]

idk, maybe mult cards

[neon jackal]

if it works ig

[mighty swallow]

welp, im done

[royal bobcat]

4 retriggers on 2 photos is 2x2 2x2 2x2 2x2
2 retriggers on 3 photos is 2x2x2 2x2x2

so it's 2^8 when copying chad and photo versus 2^6 when only copying photo

[neon jackal]

my brain isn't working right now

[vocal rose]

made zero glass cards?

[mighty swallow]

yes

[vocal rose]

yikes

you had alot of time to do so

[mighty swallow]

i mean.. i had a chance

but decided not to

[neon jackal]

you had no director's cut?

[mighty swallow]

for some reason

[mighty swallow]

I HAD

i forgot about it

🙂

[neon jackal]

😭

[knotty zodiac]

glass cards are good for photochad plant xD

[mighty swallow]

So... i just lost fucking perfect synergy...

okay

[knotty zodiac]

rip. youll get the next one

[royal bobcat]

its only green stake

[glacial galleon]

🙂

[neon jackal]

stale

[mighty swallow]

yeah..

[royal bobcat]

youll get back there

dw

[mighty swallow]

struggle on orange stake with blue deck tho

[neon jackal]

yeah i guess

[neon jackal]

rerun the seed

do EXACTLY what you did

and remember to use director's cut this time

[royal bobcat]

whyd you do that

[mighty swallow]

if only i remembered what i did

[royal bobcat]

it doesnt give you progress

[neon jackal]

for funny

[mighty swallow]

yeah.. i can enable progress with mods but thats kinda cheating

[glacial galleon]

thanks @neon jackal it hit

[neon jackal]

no problem

[glossy mortar]

Okay just got to ante 8. This is a slam dunk absolute massive W

[tawdry burrow]

plasma deck violet vessel on gold stake is like 2 400 000 chips right

[mighty swallow]

seems like i didnt really lose a lot

[vocal rose]

holy fuck man

[tawdry burrow]

free mult if you're not pivoting to a face card build on abandoned somehow

[vocal rose]

this shit is NOT a 1/7

im literally playing the fish

[tawdry burrow]

the shit

[neon jackal]

that's pretty good

[mighty swallow]

yo...

[neon jackal]

holy

[vocal rose]

I JUST DREW TWO MORE

[neon jackal]

LMAO

[vocal rose]

okay this boss blind is very easy but

it actually brings me the most rage

[mighty swallow]

how can you even explain that shit

like...

[hollow grove]

Got the win on violet

Sold luch only after it became clear I wouldn't reach the 1.2m

Did end up selling brainstorm to get luch

Selling it triggered the win because I'd already hit the normal score requirement ; that was a first

[tawdry burrow]

nice

[knotty zodiac]

ranksuitranksuitranksuitranksuit

[tawdry burrow]

violet on violet

[knotty zodiac]

nice going! ya selling luch instant win is a fun mechanic

[hollow grove]

You immediately win, and if you have a blue seal in hand, it spawns a planet from the last hand you played

[knotty zodiac]

oh thats a cool interaction i never know about

[royal bobcat]

someone, one day, sent a clip of them using luchador on vv with a WWE cast playing on the background

[glossy mortar]

3rd times a charm. 2 photochads fail in a row. The 3rd one in a row wins.

10/10 seed.

And with that, I now have my 2nd ever orange stake run.

[fringe nebula]

so many options i can take..........

[round marsh]

Please don’t kill perkeo 😔

[fringe nebula]

square is very important btw because i have no chips

[knotty zodiac]

perkeo: what is my purpose?
rick: you are +20 mult

[fringe nebula]

dagger is at +66 so maybe i can stop

[vocal rose]

bro this game feels fucking easy mode when im not on black deck

[knotty zodiac]

triple digit or bust

[fringe nebula]

i know right?? who would've thought that good decks are easier to play

[vocal rose]

im playing nebula deck lol

[hollow grove]

I'm so looking forward to getting through black

Just cleared purple, now on orange

[round marsh]

Pointless egg 💔

[fringe nebula]

nebula is fine imo, i'bve changed my mind

[knotty zodiac]

swashbuckler value xD

[fringe nebula]

you just.... need to play around it

[hollow grove]

Temperance doesn't care if it's rental

[vocal rose]

nebula is actually good

but im too lazy to explain why

[fringe nebula]

nebula is good you just need to use less tarots

[knotty zodiac]

telescope good

[manic talon]

if you think about it, nebula is +1 joker slot for -1 consumable slot if youre playing pairslop

[vocal rose]

very good

[manic talon]

which you're gonna do that

it sorts the chip problem in pairslop

[round marsh]

Why do you hate yorick ?

[manic talon]

cuz he sucks

[vocal rose]

beautiful

[round marsh]

1x mult for every 23 cards discarded?

[knotty zodiac]

nows the time to get the discard royal flush achievement

[fringe nebula]

what did you do here?

[hollow grove]

Shame you don't have seance here, specifically

Very cool though

[fringe nebula]

cryptid is not enough for this

[round marsh]

They have 0 discards 💔

[mighty swallow]

I've lost it btw.

[vocal rose]

sigil

[mighty swallow]

FU

[fringe nebula]

i mean the handsize

oh

[mystic pollen]

Minus traveler?

[fringe nebula]

nvm

serpent

i forgot to read

[mystic pollen]

Or el primo jojer?

[undone depot]

Is there anything i can do here? Runner is 135 chips, canio 1x, lucky cat 1.5x so far

[manic talon]

Why are you copying seance

[undone depot]

Im not going to lol

What do i do

[shell dagger]

copyingrunner might be slightly better than copying cat

[manic talon]

Copy cat and hope you hit mult, dont think youre surviving if the mult dont hit anyway

[undone depot]

But my only mult rn is coming from cat and lucky cards

[knotty zodiac]

copying the dice might proc the cat upgrade a few times? but prob copy cat is still better?

[undone depot]

Incompatible

[mystic pollen]

Then you are dead

[shell dagger]

actually the bonus red seal makes runner copy worse

[manic talon]

Not how dice works

[manic talon]

Also sell or use one of yer tarots if you wanna get value from the blue seal

[undone depot]

Myes

[knotty zodiac]

i mean, dice increases luck activation, which triggers the xmult increase more than at base chance

[undone depot]

You cant copy dice

[fringe nebula]

found an ecto so the ritual continued

[knotty zodiac]

oh...

[manic talon]

Not how dice works

[undone depot]

Ait imma do cat

Wish me luck

[hollow grove]

gl

[vocal rose]

you cannot copy dice

or any passive effect

[manic talon]

Rule of thumb if its a passive blanket effect with no definite trigger time, its incompatible with blueprint/brainstorm

[undone depot]

Noooo

So close

26k

Ts game so hard

[hollow grove]

Bah 🙁

[manic talon]

Damn maybe shouldve just shoot the blue seal with hung men

[undone depot]

Why?

[manic talon]

2x

Canio

[undone depot]

Ohhhh

Bruh i didnt think of that

[slim turret]

did neither of the lucky cards hit?

[hollow grove]

Okay well done for spotting that line

[ebon condor]

getting rid of a blueseal like that is rough tbh

i wouldnt have done that either

[manic talon]

Yea thats why i didnt suggest it first

[ebon condor]

best i wouldve done is playh 3oak instead and kill the lucky jack

but everythings easier in retrospect

[manic talon]

I cba calcing it if it was enough or not without killing the blue seal

[royal bobcat]

i might have to, chat

lol nevermind

[hollow grove]

Anyone know how idol interacts with marble joker? Wiki either doesn't say, or I missed it after checking both joker pages

I'm guessing it's bad but I have the opportunity to get both in first shop after foil skip

[manic talon]

Stone cards are exempt from the idol card pool

[hollow grove]

Thx

[royal bobcat]

okayyyy im back on a streak

he says before losing the next run really quickly

[undone depot]

One

[royal bobcat]

red card first shop is kinda iffy isnt it

its fine but it won't be used for a while

esp without econ jonklers

idk how i feel about RAW red card

well I can hex it

for immediate gains

ill need another intermediate scoring jonkler tho

i could greed and look into the buffoon pack but if theyre all eternals and or rentals i won't be able to purchase red card

[undone depot]

Mid

[royal bobcat]

i think im buying the red card and hexing it

worst case scenario it's a 1.5x joker

its better than to greed and lowroll and die

i might be learning

[glossy forge]

Ecto angle?

[hollow grove]

What's the ante 1 boss? But that alone would be fine for most of them

[royal bobcat]

hook (bad)

[hollow grove]

Oof that's scary

[royal bobcat]

eternal jimbo WOULD guarantee survival

but it's like

jimbo

😭

i bought a pack and skipped

i should be fine now

aight

[hollow grove]

gg

[royal bobcat]

OKAY if i survive long enough for invis joker to be active ill be fine

[cosmic star]

i choked dna and blueprint

[ebon condor]

pretty easy to do tbf

you kinda gotta focus with dna bc its really easy to over-greed

[royal bobcat]

not the easiest run ive had icl 😭

[cosmic star]

wdym overgreed

[ebon condor]

spend too much effort trying to get value from dna that you fail to score enough

[hollow grove]

Am I really about to pass up a jumbo spectral pack so I can buy telescope next shop on this weird idol run that probably dies by ante 5 anyway?

How important is telescope really?

I guess drunkard makes telescope a bit less necessary because I could dig for blue seals

Edit : I bought the spactral pack and got a purple seal

[royal bobcat]

oh my god im so bad

early red card might be bad actually

well its not the best but im also bad

[hollow grove]

If it makes you feel any better I recently declined a first shop red card and lost anyway

[royal bobcat]

free doble tag

[hollow grove]

Or I could simply get the telescope next shop anyway because the purple seal spawned a business card

[jolly relic]

yummy egg

[ebon condor]

pretty standard stuff

obv wheel is high but nothing like exceptionally bad other than that

[hollow grove]

You don't value card removals enough or you are a magnet for trading cards

[fringe nebula]

i still really hate crimson heart

Let's go gambling

[fringe nebula]

@molten thicket there

[molten thicket]

sweat

that was like what

1 day?

[hollow grove]

What was your source of money here to be able to take eternal rental campfire and make it good without an econ joker

[fringe nebula]

1 day yeah

[royal bobcat]

inshallah

wow okay it only gave me 80k

i should've sold a joker earlier to benefit from my glass

its my fault

[fringe nebula]

i have cleared yellow, black, nebula magic, ghost, painted, plasma, and erratic on this savefile

which deck should i clear next

[royal bobcat]

i mean out of 4 runs theres 2 wins and 1 final boss loss

surely im not terribly bad at this game

[cosmic star]

5.6m and win

[fringe nebula]

i don't think you're "terribly bad"
for me, being terribly bad means being stuck with white staker mindset

[hollow grove]

Something you don't like or are less comfortable with, to get it out of the way?

[fringe nebula]

already did? (plasma and black)

[solemn saffron]

What scores more the red seal or polychrome?

[somber barn]

That's entirely dependent on what built you have going

[fringe nebula]

probably flush five

or 5oak?

[somber barn]

Yeah, leave those steels in hand and play the other kings

[solemn saffron]

4oak

[hollow grove]

Polychrome by far??? Red seal is only on a gold card

[fringe nebula]

the real play is to keep the gold card at your hand for money

[warped herald]

What deck should I try to win higher stakes on to unlock the other decks? I have all the decks in order,up to ghost deck

[solemn saffron]

Didn't matter lol GG's

[fringe nebula]

blue or ywllow

[hollow grove]

Blue is always a safe bet

[molten thicket]

insane

[ruby thunder]

Does anyone want to play multiplayer?

[molten thicket]

how does one even clear that fast

[fringe nebula]

x16 gamespeed

[molten thicket]

yeah but don't you have to likr

think

[fringe nebula]

most of my decisions are uhhhh

automated

lmao

[vocal rose]

blue or yellow

[manic talon]

checkered 🙂

the correct answer is blue or yellow

[fringe nebula]

maybe magic if you want something spicier

[manic talon]

oh wait checkered is after ghost deck in order

[proven ember]

What to copy and discard? Pair of Aura Glass Aces?

[royal bobcat]

o7 thank you for your service sir

[hollow grove]

Maybe you can teach me anaglyph then

It's the only deck I haven't touched

I'm sure I'd easily bet it on white but it seems so weird

I don't like basically being forced to skip that often

[royal bobcat]

you know what

WE DONT ABANDON FALLEN COMRADES

WERE BRINGING YOU BACK HOME

YOUR KIDS ARE WAITING FOR YOU

slaps the card YOU HEAR ME?

[vestal copper]

our fallen comrades are face cards

[hollow grove]

It is still missing its golder sticker if I'm seeing that right 👀👀...

[vestal copper]

abandoned is fucking peak

[royal bobcat]

its not

[fringe nebula]

i'm not sure if i'm the right person to teach you anaglyph lol

sometimes i just straight up beat anaglyph gold stake without making use of the double tags at all

[royal bobcat]

LIEUTENANT, TELL JESSICA WE GOT HER HUSBAND BACK

[manic talon]

its almost like the anaglyph gimmick is kinda ass

[neon jackal]

holy

[vestal copper]

anaglyph is cool but yeah sometimes it just goes blank

[neon jackal]

yeah

it is

[hollow grove]

Hearing that just ignoring them is still somewhat consistently viable is honestly helpful

[vestal copper]

skipping to use the ability

[royal bobcat]

also for some STUPID reason if your club is debuffed, seeing double will NOT trigger

[fringe nebula]

yeah

that happens

[royal bobcat]

but we got midas back

it's okay

[fringe nebula]

because you need to score with clubs

[royal bobcat]

though i think jessica is going to be quite mad that mr dracula sucked her husband dry for five rounds

but hey

at least hes alive

[neon jackal]

that sounds

awful

did jessica just sit and watch

??

[royal bobcat]

she wasnt on the battlefield

[neon jackal]

oh okay

thank god

[royal bobcat]

to be fair it was a necessity

we needed the MORALE

[hollow grove]

Sock and buskin, knife the legendary

And all future jokers until econ is online from lucky / gold cards

Then knife business card???

[neon jackal]

i hate dagger with every fiber of my being

[royal bobcat]

idol ante 4 </3

[neon jackal]

okay im going to go finish my english assignment now

bye

[hollow grove]

This was a first shop idol after foil skip

Still haven't drawn the correct card once

[fringe nebula]

you can stop once dagger bas reached like, +60 mult no?

[royal bobcat]

idol </3

[fringe nebula]

and look for a joker to fill the fifth slot

[hollow grove]

I guess that's true yeah

[royal bobcat]

i would eat chicot tbh

[hollow grove]

Never done dagger really as you can see though

[royal bobcat]

usually selling him is not worth ten bucks

but here you get 20 mult

thats huge

is there a boss you're afraid of?

if so how many

[fringe nebula]

anything, anything to make me not face needle and the eye

[royal bobcat]

i guess its good for violet vessel

and needle

yeah if u can keep chicot

[nocturne frost]

Hey combos

[fringe nebula]

i always keep luchador/bones in my pocket for these reasons

[royal bobcat]

if i see a bonesperson i buy them

bones is so good

underrated

even one more round can clutch

also mr bones saved me against VV like three times lol

[hollow grove]

Needle probably

Ummm

That's the first thing that's coming to mind

[royal bobcat]

vv too

i think its best to keep chicot if u can

if you need a bump of scoring eat him but hes more useful alive than dead

[hollow grove]

vv should be fine with this much money, if I take sock

I can just reroll into a joker of my choice sometime in ante 8

[royal bobcat]

hopefully

why cant i streak

i win twice

[hollow grove]

Or even without that, have enough glass cards that it doesn't matter

[royal bobcat]

then lose

then win

then lose

then win twice

LET ME STREAK

4 gold stake streak is kinda lame

[sleek agate]

how strong is this deck

[royal bobcat]

for someone at 280h

yellow is rly strong

though i'm personally a ghost fan

[hollow grove]

Because some seeds are really hard or force you to make weird choices?

[royal bobcat]

nah i throw

half the time

that one double poly red card run was just abysmally complicated though

[ruby thunder]

YMXEN

[fringe nebula]

among the tops

[ruby thunder]

to join my lobby

[fringe nebula]

i think strongest decks in balatro are blue, yellow, magic, abandoned

[royal bobcat]

i think the top 3 is like blue abandoned yellow

magic before ghost is crazy

[sleek agate]

what about ghost

ghost gives 1.5x early

[manic talon]

Ghost deck is very winmore

[hollow grove]

Correction

20 mult (soon) AND temperance value 😎

[royal bobcat]

i disagree

an early purple seal or blue seal is amazing

that hex can let you survive longer before needing to find xmult

immolate is a really good econ starter

[fringe nebula]

sometimes it clogs the shop, sometimes it gives you blue/purple/immolate

honestly, i'm not sure

hologram is very strong on ghost deck though

ngl

[royal bobcat]

i'd agree with you if you said ghost deck starts can be rng

but winmore? idts

aura can also be good

but really the innate hex is what helps the most

[fringe nebula]

magic deck is atleast alot more consistent in giving you some value than ghost

[royal bobcat]

ghost can really just be a blank deck sometimes

but so can magic

so like

[fringe nebula]

how?

[royal bobcat]

if you don't find a good tarot at some point you'll have to cave in and use fools on suboptimal consumables

[manic talon]

You'd still need to roll into it so you need money first, while the other decks have upsides that is consistently always there

I mean i also feel like magic is kinda mid

[royal bobcat]

well ghost's upside is that theres always the hex

[manic talon]

But it is more flexible

The hex is just okay on gold stake

[royal bobcat]

the hex saved me multiple times

though again i play 90% of my runs on ghost

ghost can turn any joker you want into a scoring joker for the entire run

not a great scoring joker

but you know you're going to get some bang out of your buck

sure around 10-15% of the time you sell hex because theres no good target

[fringe nebula]

sometimes selling hex for $2 can let you buy more things at the first shop too

[manic talon]

thats just worse yellow

or tbh worse blue too

[fringe nebula]

but how else can you use your hex

[royal bobcat]

ghost is, with green and yellow, one of the few decks that can buy 9$ jokers in the first shop

[royal bobcat]

it would be worse yellow if that's the only use it had

but it can use hex for money, scoring, scoring on money

what deck would you put above ghost even, green? zodiac? red?

[fringe nebula]

magic

[royal bobcat]

blergh

[fringe nebula]

xd

[vocal rose]

nebula

[royal bobcat]

trolling

[fringe nebula]

nebula is nicer than you think

[royal bobcat]

nah

nebula was the deck that took the longest to gold stake after black

[vocal rose]

nebula is actually decent

[royal bobcat]

getting a cap on tarot and planet gen is rly bad

[vocal rose]

it’s not as bad as you think when you start with telescope

i’m doing a nebula c++ rn

[royal bobcat]

cartomancer, worse arcana packs, worse shops because no consumable blocking, worse vagabond, emperor and the planet tarot are worse

so many things are just hindered by consumable slots

[vocal rose]

you can live without having to min max the consumable blocking absolutely, cartomancer and vagabond generate one tarot per condition met

carto is hurt more because you can’t carry in

[royal bobcat]

vagabond is hurt a lot because you can't even block a single tarot

[hollow grove]

Or maybe 46 👀

[royal bobcat]

im not saying nebula is trash

[fringe nebula]

i think not being able to hold hermit/temperance sucks alot when you're doing vagabond

[royal bobcat]

but placing it right below yellow or abandoned is eh

also you can't hold a fool as easily

[fringe nebula]

but then again, i don't really use vagabond on nebula lol

[manic talon]

blue, yellow, checkered, abandoned, then magic, red, or ghost

[fringe nebula]

checkered?

damn

[royal bobcat]

checkered hm

[tender quarry]

I’d have checkered 3rd too at the moment

[vocal rose]

syn goat

[fringe nebula]

severely lacking in xmult department

[hollow grove]

Makes first 2 antes a lot easier and you can transition out of flushes after that

[vocal rose]

people don’t put checkered in their top 5 for decks

which sorta baffles me a little

[tender quarry]

The consistent earlygame is very appealing and enough people have done well enough on it to give some empirical evidence

[tender quarry]

A lot of the higher stakes learning curve is that flushes are bad

So makes sense I suppose

[hollow grove]

Yeah I'll replace business card with an xmult joker eventually

Haven't been offered one yet

[manic talon]

checkered has the easiest earlygame rivaling plasma or some erratic seeds, but it doesnt have the downside of 2X blinds from plasma

[vocal rose]

abandoned ghost and zodiac are usually rated over checkered

by people who are also past that learning curve

I get that part but it’s just so consistent early game

I can’t ever put it below ghost and zodiac

abandoned I find them interchangeable

[tender quarry]

Being honest almost no one has the experience to properly rate all of the decks

[vocal rose]

that is true

[fringe nebula]

true

[manic talon]

true

[vocal rose]

true

[manic talon]

i had a fuckton of experience on ghost prior to one-tricking checkered, but i might need to play it again

[sacred maple]

Forgot to put burglar next to blueprint before starting blind 🥲 still won tho so I'm not really complaining.

[hollow grove]

Does it matter if BP targets sock or business card?

[fringe nebula]

yes

[hollow grove]

Well done for winning anyway

[hollow grove]

What's better?

[fringe nebula]

need more money? copy business
need more score? copy sock

[sacred maple]

One more win and I can access challenges!

[tender quarry]

I lowkey don’t enjoy ghost anymore

[manic talon]

same, thats why i stopped lol

[hollow grove]

This was for money. I wasn't sure if they'd just be the same - aside from the lower scoring to milk more money

[slender dove]

what would be the best copying setup for this hand purely in terms of score? i think it would be copying the baron twice bc then it would be 87x1.5^246 but idk if i messed up calculating it

[tender quarry]

It feels like going through the motions on a strong seed and hitting can sometimes feel unearned (“oh there happens to be an immolate ante 1, guess I win now”)

[fringe nebula]

correct

[slender dove]

yay

[tender quarry]

Its also a bit frustrating compared to the best decks because the safety net is so much weaker

Hex doesn’t do much in seeds that have limited offerings and does almost nothing if you’re just offered bad stickers (which are the seeds that are difficult anyway)

Childhood is idolising Ghost Deck, Adulthood is when you realise the humble Blue Deck makes more sense

[fringe nebula]

what about retirement age

[shell dagger]

abandoned

[calm furnace]

i officially declare myself the greatest balatro player to ever exist

[shell dagger]

then you become a ghost again

[fringe nebula]

lmfao

[calm furnace]

if that run was recorded it would be put in a museum

[mighty swallow]

seems like i'm about to cook

[calm furnace]

sKiPinG iS bAd

[fringe nebula]

i feel overstimulated just from seeing this

[calm furnace]

i should retire when im on top

[fiery crescent]

help- do I take it?

[shell dagger]

no

[fiery crescent]

was planning on selling chad for it

hmm

[manic talon]

still got it, somehow, the only spectral worth taking was the first ecto, jokers and telecope did the heavy lifting, the hex helped a little bit but the first 2 antes are all perishables
this seed would win on the other decks, which is fine

[fringe nebula]

foil rebate is being really useful here

[tender quarry]

I’ve been wondering a bit about hexing perishables on ghost deck

[fringe nebula]

i love foil jokers

[fringe nebula]

stronger earlygame adds $1 to joker value

[tender quarry]

I think it makes sense just for very early tempo and getting out quicker but it feels very bad

[manic talon]

i cant hex the perishables in this seed cuz its space joker and i want the round to last long

It does feel so bad, but i guess its also delayed 2 dollars

[fringe nebula]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[craggy hearth]

Ban

[solar meteor]

bang

[craggy hearth]

She shot me

She shot me

[fringe nebula]

i think i'll go for checkered

haven't played checkered in a long while

[glossy forge]

I broke double digit win streak on gold stake!!

[fringe nebula]

gg

[shell dagger]

congrats

[weak relic]

Pls not canio or trib

[hollow grove]

This is where I lose, right?

Accidentally knifed my blueprint 😭

fool on hanged man, ancient joker on diamonds

Idol ace of clubs so irrelevant

[ruby thunder]

YMXEN to join my multiplayer lobby

Standard

Red Deck

white stake

[weak relic]

Yo! Rick

[hollow grove]

I forgot about the plant 😭 maybe should have kept the legendary

Oh well

[weak relic]

Better than nothing type shit

[hollow grove]

Is best scoring line 7 of diamonds or ace of spades and pray for lucky hit

I'm guessing both are better than debuffed pair

High card level 4, pair level 16

[hollow grove]

I accidentally had polychrome to the left of the dagger until now so my scoring might be a bit better after moving

[hollow grove]

Did indeed lose

Ah well

[sullen aspen]

why tf would u not want canio

[light brook]

holy htr erratic

[mighty swallow]

guys, im trying to beat baron mime ante 1 seed on black stake checkered deck. It was 4th try and im dying before ante 6. Skill issue?
VX1E6L1R

[shell dagger]

probably

[light brook]

ante 1 is really early for any baron build

not enough kings

[mighty swallow]

i mean... yeah but it doesnt seem like there is better way to score anyway

[visual niche]

my jaw dropped

when i got sock and buskin

[fierce tiger]

guys will balatro work with this joystick

[visual niche]

honestly it just might

there's a select button and directions

[fierce tiger]

hell yeah lmao

[mighty swallow]

hell yeaa, there is no way it doesnt work

[fierce tiger]

i think steam input will help me a lot

[visual niche]

[manic talon]

hit the road build REAL

[visual niche]

HOW GOOD IS THIS RUN????

THIS NEVER HAPPENED TO ME

I WAS GETTING DUNKED ON OVER AND OVER AGAIN BY PREVIOUS RUNS

WHY IS MY BALATRO THIS GENTLE TO ME WHAT

[unreal topaz]

it looks like you're skipping too much

if you took a negative skip

[fierce tiger]

get ready for Plants arrival, worm

[unreal topaz]

those have extremely low expected value

generally you need better jokers, not more jokers

so extra shop is more options

[visual niche]

thats what i gathered from BalUniv, but old habits die hard

also, i'm actually getting a shitton of money now

[unreal topaz]

yeah

faceless kinda does that

[icy nimbus]

Couldn't get observatory

[unreal topaz]

its underappreciated

[willow frost]

what the fuck is that

[mighty swallow]

sorry for playing the same game as you

[visual niche]

honestly i think i'm fine

[visual niche]

oh wait

[vale shale]

Luchador named El Mucho:

[visual niche]

is it the boss that deactivates faces

[vale shale]

What's your build

[visual niche]

okay this one might end me,

[visual niche]

face, mult, flush and checkered

[vale shale]

Did you acquire brainstorm ?

[visual niche]

nevermind

[visual niche]

i just did yeah

[vale shale]

Like right after?

Oh good

You're fine against the plant.

Just copy tribe.

[sullen aspen]

wait why on God's green earth are u copying sock

[visual niche]

if i somehow get gold ticket after that... i think i'm like

[manic talon]

Checkered diff

[vale shale]

Might have lucky cards.

[visual niche]

lmaoo

[sullen aspen]

even then

tribe copy is better

[visual niche]

perhaps

i'll try that now

what do i do with those?

do i keep them or is it not worth it?

[manic talon]

this would never happen if you know what youre doing

[spark kernel]

W blueprint

[visual niche]

daaamnnn
this is oddly similar to my first 100M run

which was like 2 days ago

[atomic trout]

Blaaaaaack!

[lunar comet]

Is Abstract joker your plan if the plant shows up?

[bleak hemlock]

geh

[tough swift]

This game has a sense of humor sometimes

[weak relic]

No

[lapis lion]

parradolia + midas mask + golden ticket = not so sufficient econ

Good econ for the price of sacrificing your entire econ if you get the plant and losing 3 joker slots is

actually bad

[cloud sinew]

thats what you get for taking a joker tag

[drifting phoenix]

I hate this deck

[willow frost]

youre at ante 9 you can leave now

[weak relic]

Watch me die to it

[drifting phoenix]

Yeah ik i finally beat it

[lapis lion]

has anyone here ever gotten cavendish extinct

[drifting phoenix]

Me

[willow frost]

damn

[drifting phoenix]

I bought it

Hell yeah

[vale shale]

I have never seen it go extinct for me.

[brave goblet]

red card players don't do that

[vestal copper]

red card players are gold stakers

[brave goblet]

realest

[mystic pollen]

Should i take mime?

[lapis lion]

wtf is a red card

[mystic pollen]

Bad card

[cursive lion]

Common joker where you gain 3 mult

When you skip a booster pack

[lapis lion]

Oh

that one

[cursive lion]

One of the best common jokers

[drifting phoenix]

How many gold/steel cards do you have?

Oh I'm dumb

[mystic pollen]

3 steel cards

[visual niche]

it went well! :)

[visual niche]

i forgot what abstract joker is

[weak relic]

Doomed Yuri again

[brave goblet]

a sports thing in soccer to signal a penalty

[visual niche]

lmao alright

[brave goblet]

in pokemon if you hit an opponent with a red card, you have to swap out

[visual niche]

anyways
new game

[mystic pollen]

Director cut?

[drifting phoenix]

I don't think it's worth

[mystic pollen]

Ok

[visual niche]

OH

you're right

well i already started over but yeah

[mystic pollen]

YOU HAVE DIRECTOR CUT AND YOU DONT USE IT AND START A NEW RUN

[brave goblet]

the run's already won

[visual niche]

no i won the purple stake

and now i'm playing orange

i'm trying to get gold on checkered

[mystic pollen]

Oh

Ok

Then fine

[visual niche]

[mystic pollen]

Baby, oooooh

Damn

Who i need to sell

[brave goblet]

poor hiker

or you can ditch the arrowhead lol

objectively cooler choice

[lapis lion]

we need more number specific jokers that only do things when a number is played like walkie talkie

[brave goblet]

diluting the joker pool

[lapis lion]

wee joker is one of them

[weak relic]

The yuri was doomed from the start

[mystic pollen]

Chad, white&black face, pareidolia and hiker is good synergy

[weak relic]

Yes I replayed black deck cuz

[lapis lion]

white&black face??

[brave goblet]

sock and busin

[weak relic]

Buskin

[lapis lion]

r u talking about sock and buskin

[brave goblet]

white and black face

[mystic pollen]

Idk their names

[lunar comet]

Its called sock my buskin

[brave goblet]

I used to not remember any of the jonker names or any of the tarots or planets but now I know them in my sleep

[lapis lion]

when she hangs on my chad till I photocard

[weak relic]

Early wraith and ankh

[mystic pollen]

Rock my cuckin

[vale shale]

I should play balatro again

I forgor the strategies.

[brave goblet]

play the mahjong roguelike instead

[vale shale]

I'm gonna play Gambonanza

🤑 🤑 🤑 🤑

[mystic pollen]

So i need to sell hiker?

[hollow grove]

When perishable to do list has the nerve to start on a straight flush, simply draw a straight flush 😎

[brave goblet]

wtf a chess roguelike

insane

[nova junco]

eeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[vale shale]

Is gambonanza out yet I'm kinda living under a rock

Also when is balatro uodating

[nova junco]

Demo is out I think

[vale shale]

Still living under a rock

[lapis lion]

sleeping roguelike

[brave goblet]

It says release date 2026 idk

no reviews yet

[vale shale]

Welp

[lapis lion]

Roguelike for every human activity

[vale shale]

I can wait.

[mystic pollen]

Balatro 2?

[brave goblet]

the sifu developers iirc said they were making an American football roguelike or something

[lapis lion]

yo when are we getting poker but with a lot of jokers

[nova junco]

Yes

Fr

[patent sail]

ight who dies

[vale shale]

Nobody will be the same as balatro but I would think that it's up-to-par to balatro

[patent sail]

swash?

[mystic pollen]

Or new dlc, what named "afterrelease"?

[nova junco]

If flash card has enough mult then swash, if not maybe certificate?

[brave goblet]

post seed clarity

[nova junco]

Gambonanza is a game

[brave goblet]

ALWAYS keep the certificate

[patent sail]

ill kill swash yea

[mystic pollen]

Oh

[patent sail]

ITS CANIO

[nova junco]

Not by localthunk

[patent sail]

OH MY GOD i finally get to scale him

all 4 times i got him before bro stayed at X1

[brave goblet]

connect four roguelike

[nova junco]

At this point I believe it exists

[brave goblet]

nope doesnt' exist yet

[nova junco]

Connect4-Alatro by Uneven Pixel https://share.google/OEv98P97O2jZjtt88

[brave goblet]

no way

[weak relic]

Cert?

[patent sail]

swash died

[brave goblet]

no screenshots or details though

[weak relic]

Who was it

Trib