🕹・game-discussion

[fringe nebula]

econ issue

lmao

[lyric wave]

you can run out of money, not rerolls

[shell dagger]

I hacked my balatro

[cloud sinew]

it does actually

[wintry ice]

it does if you don't undervalue economy

[fringe nebula]

besides, you can stop when campfire is strong enough

[serene forge]

get super blundered noob

[hybrid tendon]

just econ appropriately smh

[cosmic sun]

mashallah we must make an example out of his noobery

[loud adder]

ooh im so sad some idiot on discord gave me a sticker saying im wrong

[wintry ice]

and also paradoxically value baron highly despite it needing a far higher economic cost than campfire does

[terse vale]

your reasonings are just not good tho

[wintry ice]

what's the explanation for this?

[astral mist]

ok man

[terse vale]

please get better points

[cloud sinew]

please get more score

[wintry ice]

terrifying blunder reaction

[astral mist]

BRO HE LEFT

LOL

[fringe nebula]

please actually clear gold stake

[cloud sinew]

thats cool

[shell dagger]

it’s so peak

[astral mist]

hell yeah

[cloud sinew]

zodiac my beloved

[fringe nebula]

madness

[wintry ice]

he was, infact, sad some idiot on discord gave them a sticker saying they were wrong

[north spindle]

ok campfire is not doing all the heavy lifting there lol

[lyric wave]

campfire goes insane as hell oml

I've never seen a campfire that big

[cloud sinew]

fork is the smartest idiot ive ever seen

[wintry ice]

she is though

[astral mist]

im ngl magic deck is kinda underrated

[fringe nebula]

agree

[lyric wave]

highest I've gotten is... 12x? 12.5x?

[shell dagger]

it’s not but imagine I didn’t have 5 eternals

[serene forge]

weakest campfire run

[north spindle]

i mean yeah it certainly COULD be lol

[serene forge]

get hyper blundered noob

[north spindle]

i've definitely pumped it to like
5-6x before for the win

[wintry ice]

the scaling has transfered to the next ante

[astral mist]

i only play white stake usually

[serene forge]

@astral mist please send me that hyper blunder emote

[narrow scroll]

campfire is better on gold stake
cause of the 1 dollar cards
which makes gold stake the easiest deck i think

[astral mist]

uhh its from the chess simp discord

[wintry ice]

my biggest campfire is like 12x

[north spindle]

thats not crimson heart, its perishable

[wintry ice]

oh

[astral mist]

but honestly i just think gold stake is unfun

[hybrid tendon]

she my most favourite smartest idiot ever

[serene forge]

thanks

[fringe nebula]

i'm impressed at how someone can talk about stuff they have no idea about with confidence

[serene forge]

lmfao

[wintry ice]

anyways i'm gonna play tf2 to calm down

(stupid idea)

[hybrid tendon]

play terraria

[narrow scroll]

it depends
i like gold stake but i feel like you can do more random stuff on white stake without being punished

[serene forge]

[wintry ice]

idk i like playing terraria for longer sessions

[fringe nebula]

nice sinergy

[wintry ice]

and it's like

almost 11

[astral mist]

i actually think black stake is the most fun stake

[hybrid tendon]

oh fair

[lyric wave]

couldn't have come up in a later stake? ;-;

[astral mist]

bc its like right in the middle between super easy and super hard

[light pagoda]

blue stake is absolutely terrible

[hybrid tendon]

if blue didn'T exit gold would be my fav

[cosmic sun]

idk I like medium steaks

[north spindle]

i wish there was a version of gold stake wo the -1 discard

[narrow scroll]

black deck below blue stake is probably the most fun ever

[lyric wave]

localthunk is changing it in the update when it comes out

[astral mist]

yeah i hope it gets revamped soon

[lyric wave]

he said it wasn't a buff or a nerf, so really wonder what the cahnge is

[light pagoda]

rental jokers i feel like aren’t even as punishing for gold stake

[narrow scroll]

blue stake buffed to -2 discards

[lyric wave]

kek

[light pagoda]

never going above it again

[lyric wave]

blue stake buffed to free, negative eternal burglar

[cloud sinew]

im so glad i stickered trib because it means i wont get trib from the first soul on my black deck C++ profile until ive stickered every other legendary

[light pagoda]

go -1 hand size for blue stake

[cloud sinew]

that was old gold stake and it was miserable

[north spindle]

this would be worse than the -1 discard

[lyric wave]

actual cancer for anything but pair builds

[shell dagger]

hc*

[lyric wave]

pair builds are also busted though

[hybrid tendon]

blue is the best

[fringe nebula]

that would make pairslop even more meta

no

[light pagoda]

👀 just go -2 handsize for gold stake

[shell dagger]

tbf old gold also didn’t have blue seals

[serene forge]

blue stake rework: removes photograph from the game

[shell dagger]

and hc was the best there

[lyric wave]

new photochad:

[light pagoda]

25% increase to shop cost

i need to get gold stickers on legendarys, im missing perkeo and canio i think

[light pagoda]

hmmmm

[cloud sinew]

vagabond

every time

[lyric wave]

vagabond is just better than cartomancer

[warped moth]

Gs or ws?

[light pagoda]

yeah probably just vagabond

[junior urchin]

Whatever you play

[north spindle]

is this for fun or powerlevel

[rotund cloud]

What does cardomancer do?

[lyric wave]

btw reminder that you start with 4 dollars, which means you'd also be gaining tarot generation round 1

[narrow scroll]

i mean i like vagabond
but negative rocket ship feels so good

[light pagoda]

even on gs it’s still vagabond i think

[cloud sinew]

preference

[fringe nebula]

give free tarots

[lyric wave]

+1 tarot card when you select a blind

[cloud sinew]

one tarot a round

[rotund cloud]

Thanks

Oohh

Might try to get that one

It is the Joker that looks like a tarot card?

[north spindle]

vagabond seems unquestionably the strongest to me but i think cloud 9 would be more fun to have in every game

[narrow scroll]

todo list has killed so many of my runs because i'm too greedy 😭 😭

[light pagoda]

think if i really wanted to win the run id go vagabond but if just playing for random builds id go rocket

[warped moth]

Same reason I picked rocket

[lapis leaf]

I'd pick Rocket

[lyric wave]

this run just died in the stupidest way lol I accidentally discarded my straight instead of playing it

[lapis leaf]

Ante 1 Rocket is a cracked joker

[narrow scroll]

and it's negative??
that feels so good

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[bold hamlet]

FUCK YOU BLACK DECK!!!!!

[rotund cloud]

What does vagabond do?

[warped moth]

Goated 🔥

[rotund cloud]

I think i used before

[hollow grove]

gg

[bold hamlet]

Egg swashbuckler carry

[warped moth]

If hand is played with $4 or less, spawns a random tarot

[light pagoda]

is that double flashcard

[rotund cloud]

Oh cool

Ty

[lyric wave]

holy grats, I'm currently on my way up to gold stake black deck

[light pagoda]

no wait I’m blind

[lapis leaf]

Vagabond is especially fun on Green Deck

[north spindle]

i think i prefer c9 honestly
(though its still very good as the game progresses it actually does less than golden joker until you pass ante 4)

[bold hamlet]

I had egg swashbuckler photochad foil banner and brainstorm

[cloud sinew]

negative vagabond is more econ than rocket just from tarot gen for the first 2 antes at minimum

[rotund cloud]

So is cardomancer better?

[light pagoda]

i have yet to beat gold stake black deck, this and anaglyph are the only ones i haven’t done yet

on white stake id go rare skip for the memes

[lyric wave]

you can't hit spectral, mega buffoon, or negative ante 1

[cloud sinew]

you cant get negative or ethereal or mega buffoon

[junior urchin]

My bad

[lyric wave]

sniped lal

[warped moth]

I don't rly like vagabond gameplay personally, buut I will never underestimate its game

[bold hamlet]

You’ll get it eventually

[light pagoda]

yeah i don’t like vagabond but the gold stake run i had with it was really easy

[north spindle]

that doesn't change that i would take negative as a tag white stake ante 1
it might never happen but if it did...

[lyric wave]

but yeah even though investment is objectively the best option here, I'll always take the charm tag because WHAT IF it was a yorick and my run was solved

[bold hamlet]

Every black deck gold stake run with potential had ante 1 investment tag

[north spindle]

vagabond is fine
i feel like it would get repetitive if it showed up constantly tho lol

[light pagoda]

real

[bold hamlet]

Vagabond is great on green deck esp with credit card

[lyric wave]

my current run has an ante 1 investment tag hehe

[north spindle]

especially as a starting card so there's no reason not to abuse it

[light pagoda]

how many retries did it take

[strange abyss]

you looked inside hard enough to beat black deck
Congratulations!

[rotund cloud]

Really?

[lyric wave]

green deck?

[bold hamlet]

Yep

[lyric wave]

that feels odd

[rotund cloud]

Im New on this

[warped moth]

Hey, a black deck win is a black deck win

[bold hamlet]

It doesn’t have interest so being under $25 on it really doesn’t matter

[rotund cloud]

So what the credit card does

[light pagoda]

if you don’t count the ante 1 resets i have maybe 30 real runs on black deck golf stake and haven’t managed to get to ante 8 yet

[warped moth]

I will use any strat to beat that deck

[lyric wave]

ahhh ic

[strange abyss]

Fair
black deck is pure pain

[strange abyss]

I'm so glad I'm done with it alreay

[fringe nebula]

black deck is pain both econ and scoring wize

[bold hamlet]

With credit card you can spend money up until $-20

[strange abyss]

I just have painted deck and another one then all my decks are gold staked

[bold hamlet]

So every vagabond hand gives u tarot

[light pagoda]

I’m missing black and anaglpyh

[wintry ice]

i mean blue deck is considered top 1 or 2

[rotund cloud]

Like how

[lyric wave]

it'd have to be extra hand for me. imagine black deck but without the down side, or blue deck but +2 hands instead

[rotund cloud]

I think i get now

[light pagoda]

handsize chads where

[lyric wave]

checkered deck here

[rotund cloud]

It does not take your money

[strange abyss]

I'm missing anaglyph too

[north spindle]

• 1 hand seem the best out of those options
  handsize is the most fun tho imo

[hybrid tendon]

vagabon is good on every deck:p

[lyric wave]

well yea

but I was wondering why specifically green

[rotund cloud]

Can You explain

[strange abyss]

Vagabond is phenomenal deck fixing

[sharp plank]

Ante 0 seems pretty good to me

[hybrid tendon]

overstock

[north spindle]

if overstock was an option i might pick that instead tho
shop slots are fun

[light pagoda]

i think anaglyph is gonna fairly simple, just get to like ante 4 and find an investment tag and get 75 dollars

[lyric wave]

@serene forge

[warped moth]

Arrowhead my absolute beloved

[serene forge]

onyx and arrowhead are equally good i think

[light pagoda]

arrowhead was my first gold stake clear, absolute goated joker

[fringe nebula]

play anaglyph with actually playing anaglyph

[lyric wave]

I would love to say bloodstone but arrowhead is just so good

[fringe nebula]

(aka never skip)

[rotund cloud]

Wont vote never got any so far

[serene forge]

ban everyone who voted bloodstone

[light pagoda]

real

[junior urchin]

You should do some unlock all runs on a diff profile with plasma deck just to get a better feel on the joker pool

[strange abyss]

Rough gem can be decent money
arrow and onyx are solid early game scoring and bloodstone has the highest ceiling of them all

[north spindle]

arrowhead edges it out i think just bc chips are rarer in general
it also punches above its weight class number-wise iirc

[rotund cloud]

Why a different one tho

[light pagoda]

id take rough gem in like ante 1-3 but arrowhead every other time

[fringe nebula]

bloodstone is good only when you have dice

[light pagoda]

can’t get achievements if you unlock all

[rotund cloud]

I Did not unlock all

[warped moth]

I'd argue arrowhead has very powerful scoring throughout the entirety of a run

[light pagoda]

so go different profile and unlock all

[junior urchin]

If you are grinding achievements or plan to do a legit profile with no free unlocks then you should do it on a different one so you can get achievements on your main

[rotund cloud]

K

Ty

[warped moth]

Unless you're not focusing on Spades ofc

[fringe nebula]

+250 (or more with retrigger) is nice

i never play flush though

xd

[serene forge]

that's true

[warped moth]

Covers the biggest weakness of a flush which is chips scaling being absolute ass!

Makes Flush more playable than bloodstone on gs I would dare say

[light pagoda]

the amount of runs ive had praying for a dice is absurd

[rotund cloud]

What is the best Joker on the start

[serene forge]

the amount of runs ive had praying for a dice is 1

[fringe nebula]

banana

[north spindle]

the number you get on it for flushes is sort of insane
like it's literally stuntman chips

[rotund cloud]

Ye

[lyric wave]

yeah I say this as a diehard bloodstone fan, arrowhead is just better on checkered lol

[rotund cloud]

Its good

[warped moth]

As an empath I can sense that you did not find it

[hazy hound]

Is it worth taking campfire over wee on ante 1 on black deck gold stake?

[north spindle]

imo its not even close
i want to say arrowhead is like

5x as likely to make flushes a thing you want to do

[fringe nebula]

yes

[north spindle]

i think id take wee

[rotund cloud]

Uh

Idj

Idk*

[north spindle]

like campfire is great but also i like to survive ante 2

[light pagoda]

trousers square

[hazy hound]

Paradolia and ride the bus 🔥 🔥 🔥

[warped moth]

Vampire Midas Mask! And Four Fingers Smeared

[vocal rose]

where is overstock

[stone shell]

Shortcut Smeared

[rotund cloud]

Is Ride the bus good?

[lyric wave]

only 10 poll options and I guess heiroglyph is more important than overstock

[warped moth]

Vampire Midas Mask is so ungodly cool though, I love that combo sm

[vocal rose]

amazing

[light pagoda]

yes

[fringe nebula]

four fingers smeared shortcut i fear

[rotund cloud]

Woah

What do It do

[lyric wave]

ride the bus is better than green joker

[serene forge]

nope

[light pagoda]

literally never had this combo before, i always get rid of Midas before being able to find it, midas is usually sold after 2 rounds

[lyric wave]

I had the combo one time and midas mask was perishable

;-;

it still got me some crazy value while I had it though

[junior urchin]

Green joker is like a slow burn tho it doesn’t crash like the stock market when I misplay one high card

[lyric wave]

kek

[warped moth]

Check ts out 😭🙏

[stone shell]

keep midas around for speculative parei and/or vampire

[rotund cloud]

You guys say that Ride the bus is good but what It does?

[fringe nebula]

LMAO

[light pagoda]

i mean it’s not a useful one once it gets its value on gs which is all I’ve been running recently getting joker stickers

[stone shell]

+1 mult per hand, resets when a face card is scored

[junior urchin]

Hologram with a 63 card deck 🫩

[rotund cloud]

Oh

[serene forge]

I love Midas Mask

[rotund cloud]

Uh

[warped moth]

[north spindle]

doesn't even need to be that extreme
it also likes strength and sometimes standard packs

[fringe nebula]

you...... you can actually love something?

[cosmic sun]

you love baronas mask?

[hazy hound]

I love Majoras mask

[rotund cloud]

The egg is Very good

[hazy hound]

Does that count

[light pagoda]

wait goated combo is pare faceless, that’s top 3 favorites

[rotund cloud]

Made me win once

[cosmic sun]

absolutely

[stone shell]

best combo is showman cavendish

let me cook

[junior urchin]

Has anyone here also played cloverpit

[fringe nebula]

best combo is vampire marble joker

(jk)

[warped moth]

Egg is silly
But I never find it without either eternal or rental or both and that's annoying

[stone shell]

to be fair eternal egg isnt worthless

[tulip sapphire]

Is yellow deck fair to say is the best deck

[woven spire]

perishable pack

[stone shell]

depends on the context

[light pagoda]

hmm found 2 with no debuffs today, proceeded to then find 2 temperance’s the entire run

[rotund cloud]

Ye i Got it the Joker that uses the sell price to its mult

[dusty valve]

@night turret @opal canopy I finally did it again, I now have the abandoned deck

I was saved by the death joker

[serene forge]

yes

[tulip sapphire]

Like just for gold stake consistency

[night turret]

Yippe!

[serene forge]

@hybrid tendon heyyyyyyyyyyyyy~

[light pagoda]

hmm id say blue

[rotund cloud]

What is the chance to Destroy It self?

[warped moth]

Absolutely not! But commonly not useful and definitely almost never a first shop pick in hopes that you find like, a swash or an early Temperance or smth

[rocky tiger]

3rd soul of this run bruhhh

[dusty valve]

I have beaten 3 decks, so many more decks to go😭😭

[light pagoda]

rip it

[serene forge]

sell photo

[hybrid tendon]

hiii

[lyric wave]

honestly I don't think you take it

[rocky tiger]

im selling trading

[serene forge]

wait what was the one before

[rocky tiger]

i want perkeo

[serene forge]

[stone shell]

its perkeo sell trading card

[rocky tiger]

canio

[light pagoda]

no get rid of photo

[rocky tiger]

why photo

[wintry ice]

selling photo sounds reasonable

[lyric wave]

trading card is insanely good

[hybrid tendon]

❤️

[rotund cloud]

Egg is good but i feel like gift card is better

[lyric wave]

also you sacked canio + trading card? ;-;

[wintry ice]

you already score enough with trib chad

[rocky tiger]

i dont need any more deck fixing

[serene forge]

enormous blunder

[fringe nebula]

blue

there are some cases where you get game defining jokers at ante 1 thanks to the extra money on yellow deck though

[light pagoda]

trading card to deck fix for queens/king for trib, photochad is worse than tribchad

[wintry ice]

getting more consistency is better overall

[lyric wave]

you have 45 cards

[rocky tiger]

canio was r3 trading card was r20

[tulip sapphire]

Is a polychrome eternal baron fair to take early game

[stone shell]

to be fair he already has trib brainstorm

[serene forge]

photograph is garbage

[serene forge]

no

never

[fringe nebula]

absolutely not

[stone shell]

its a won game if you dont hit plant

[rocky tiger]

already deck fixed to glass kings of diamonds

[light pagoda]

yeah and you have a brainstorm

[junior urchin]

What if there was a Balatro mod where you can use a Bluetooth but plug to connect to the game and Mr bones is replaced by Mr boners and when you die he doesn’t disappear but the plug turns on for 30 seconds

[serene forge]

its ante 9 they won already

[light pagoda]

oh, then sure

[rocky tiger]

also already hit plant

[stone shell]

im assuming the canio was before ante 8

[tulip sapphire]

Wait like really?

[light pagoda]

but in the screenshot you clearly aren’t well deck fixed enough

[lyric wave]

baron is actually trash in most cases

[astral mist]

straights

[rocky tiger]

PERKEO

[astral mist]

are my favorite hand

[light pagoda]

im picky on white stake

[rocky tiger]

TUFFF

[rotund cloud]

Devastation

[stone shell]

called it

[lyric wave]

Sure, it can get you to naneinf. but it won't if you take it round 2

[fringe nebula]

that is alot of chips

[light pagoda]

baron barely does anything unless you find mime or redseal steel

[rotund cloud]

Is that a Joker?

[tulip sapphire]

Oh thaf feels like one of those things thats relatively unintuitive for new players

[rocky tiger]

its the best joker in the game

[stone shell]

its hanged man fishing hours

[stone shell]

no its jimbo

[rotund cloud]

Oh wow what It does?

[stone shell]

duh

[lyric wave]

no it is not

[fringe nebula]

the only way to make baron work is if you have fist

[lyric wave]

that's rebate

[rocky tiger]

makes a negative copy of a consumable

every round

[rotund cloud]

Like what

[gentle island]

Fun runs

+3 gold stickers

[lyric wave]

if it's in your consumable slots, it can be copied

[vocal rose]

its not even top 15

[rocky tiger]

gold sticker chicot flex

[stone shell]

tarots, planets and occasionally spectrals

[rocky tiger]

true

[rotund cloud]

Inf fool

[vocal rose]

any consumable

[lyric wave]

it's really not a flex, chicot was in my second gold stake win

[light pagoda]

yorick still my favorite legendary joker

[serene forge]

baron more like absolute horseshit

[stone shell]

its a top joker if youre specifically going for naneinf

[rotund cloud]

Inf fool

[gentle island]

baron or idol 🤔

[light pagoda]

had one at like x50 before

[light pagoda]

ancient >

id rather build ancient than baron

[lyric wave]

trash or garbage 🤔

[serene forge]

both

[gentle island]

lol I was too focused on my last run

[rotund cloud]

Like tarots And planets And spectral?

[vocal rose]

indeed

[vocal rose]

yes

[light pagoda]

both ws and gs id rather build ancient

[rotund cloud]

Oh wow

[gentle island]

I meant idol lol

ancient is busted

[vocal rose]

copies once per round

[rotund cloud]

Might try to get that one

[vocal rose]

more with copy jokers

[rotund cloud]

How do i get It?

[light pagoda]

oh, on gs id rather build baron

[lyric wave]

it's a legendary joker

you get it from the soul

[rotund cloud]

Soul

How

[gentle island]

fair

[lyric wave]

very rare drop from arcana packs

[light pagoda]

you’re just not getting idol online until minimum ante5-6

[rotund cloud]

Hmm

[acoustic kettle]

Rare chance to appear in arcana and spectral

[lyric wave]

perkeo is the worst legendary though so like

[acoustic kettle]

Triboulet

[lyric wave]

this is with like PERFECT deckfixing. more than likely it's not online until like ante 10 or 11

[rotund cloud]

do i need to unlock soul?

[lyric wave]

no

[light pagoda]

usually you get perfect deck fixed to one card by ante 10-11 yeah

[lyric wave]

it's just a .3 chance from any given arcana/spectral pack

[rotund cloud]

Oh good

[lyric wave]

the planet equivalent is black hole, if you've ever seen it

[serene forge]

I hate The Idol

[serene forge]

treiboulet

[rotund cloud]

I Have one more question

[gentle island]

you hate a lot of things

[light pagoda]

black hole is rarer than soul istg, probably cause i skip planet packs more than tarots but

[lyric wave]

trib does things

[rotund cloud]

What are all the planet cards

[lyric wave]

there's one for each hand

[rotund cloud]

Ok

[fair sapphire]

i agree there’s no point in picking it up till hella late and even still it can mess u up

[rotund cloud]

What is the Name of it

[light pagoda]

abandoned deck + Saturn my beloved

[serene forge]

worse than perkeo

[rotund cloud]

There is 3 missing on my colection

[fair sapphire]

the only ones that aren’t default unlocked are planet x, ceres, and eris

[lyric wave]

you're likely missing planet X, eris, and the flush house one

[light pagoda]

ceres

[rotund cloud]

Flush house?

[lyric wave]

planet X wants you to play a five of a kind to unlock it, eris wants a flush five, and flush house is self explanatory

[lyric wave]

full house but flush

[gentle island]

flower pot levels of hating fr

[light pagoda]

a full house but all same suit

[rotund cloud]

Oh

[light pagoda]

flowerpot splash has saved 2 of my gold stake runs

[stone shell]

pluto (high card)
mercury (pair)
venus (three of a kind)
earth (full house)
mars (four of a kind)
jupiter (flush)
saturn (straight)
uranus (two pair)
neptune (straight flush)
eris (flush five; secret hand)
ceres (flush house; secret hand)
planet x (five of a kind; secret hand)

[hybrid tendon]

ceres

[rotund cloud]

3 same then 2 same Suit but diffrent number?

[gentle island]

might worth taking a look at the message I was replying too..

[light pagoda]

yes

[rotund cloud]

Yeah i Can do that somehow

[light pagoda]

with tarots

[gentle island]

fake hand royal flush

[rotund cloud]

I Have all tarot unlocked

[light pagoda]

my favorite thing to do early antes is to buy a suit changer and play a flush house for a one shot

[lyric wave]

I'm a fool

[fair sapphire]

royal flush build is hella tuff

[rotund cloud]

[lyric wave]

[light pagoda]

i will never build straights unless it’s abandoned deck

[rotund cloud]

Two pair is Very Easy to do

[rocky tiger]

SOCK

[gentle island]

that only makes straights like 20% easier

[rotund cloud]

Is that a Joker?

[gentle island]

its a bussin joker

[rocky tiger]

yes it retriggers all face cards

[light pagoda]

i feel like it’s much much easier

[strange abyss]

A toilet?

[heady narwhal]

cert??

[light pagoda]

who hates certificate

[junior urchin]

I find it annoying personally

[heady narwhal]

#3 best value generator certificate??

[rotund cloud]

Yes im Flushing my house down my toilet rn

[hybrid tendon]

why are cert and obelisk even on there 😭

[night turret]

Oh trust me

[light pagoda]

certificate my goat on gs

[night turret]

it took me 20 hours to beat all of them the first go

[warped moth]

Baron is a great example of how potential scoring doesn't always translate to scoring.
Baron has a maximum scoring capacity of literally infinity, which can be achieved and has been hundreds of thousands of times now if I had to guess.
However, for a run where baron actually delivers meaningful scoring, you need serious econ at first to power all the other stuff. Then, you need deckfixing to make a good portion of your deck be kings, find synergizing jokers like mime and shoot the moon and upgrade high card.
It isn't going to carry anything if it doesn't have these and will need to be carried early game, instead

[gentle island]

there are like 5 jokers that provide more for solely straights then that deck

[strange abyss]

Don't forget to wash your hands after

[rotund cloud]

Yes

[light pagoda]

that’s a joker slot

[dusty valve]

In one sitting?

[rotund cloud]

Now im Gonna flush 5 more

[heady narwhal]

2 jokers and four fingers sucks ass

[gentle island]

it will keep you alive 🤷‍♂️

[light pagoda]

or just play abandoned deck + runner

[rotund cloud]

How do You get that one?

[vocal rose]

what jokers

[light pagoda]

I don’t remember the unlock conditions, it’s probably beat one of the early stakes

[rotund cloud]

Hm

[heady narwhal]

abandoned unlock condition is win on green deck

[light pagoda]

oh, nvm

[rotund cloud]

What does green deck do

[heady narwhal]

no interest, $2 per remaining hand, $1 per remaining discard at end of round

[rotund cloud]

So more cash

[woven spire]

im just tired

[heady narwhal]

less cash actually

[hybrid tendon]

less

[rotund cloud]

Oh well

[vocal rose]

no

[gentle island]

shortcut, runner, straights x3 imo four fingers and imo seance (not too often tho)

[heady narwhal]

it's generally negative but it's fine below blue stake and it gives you a slightly nicer early game

[light pagoda]

never build seance

[vocal rose]

nothing

[hybrid tendon]

none

[heady narwhal]

i always press the endless mode button to screenshot my run and then i start over

[junior urchin]

Bro is playing Balatro but not for fun 🥀

[vocal rose]

your definition of fun in balatro isnt my definition

believe it or not

[hybrid tendon]

ante 8 is more fun than endless rng fest

[light pagoda]

on ws always, on gs most of the time I barely beat ante 8

[heady narwhal]

ante 8 has significantly more build variety than endless

[gentle island]

Now that I have achievements, I will only do it if I think I can naneinf with the build eventually

[heady narwhal]

granted it's mostly pairs but at least there are 147 usable jokers instead of 5 usable jokers

[woven spire]

tuff choice tbh

[gentle island]

what are the poor 3 🙏

[vocal rose]

idol seance showman

[junior urchin]

So if you literally had a Perkeo blueprint brainstorm observatory baron mime build in like ante 3 you are telling me you’re gonna start a new run at ante 8

[vocal rose]

how

[heady narwhal]

baron idol and showman

[vocal rose]

immolate

[gentle island]

fair

[vocal rose]

I wouldn't have that build

lmao

[hybrid tendon]

immolate dude 😭

[woven spire]

might be dead, i need score

[heady narwhal]

seance is like d- tier but it at least does something sometimes

[vocal rose]

so roll?

[vocal rose]

baron>seance

[woven spire]

alr alr ill do it

[vocal rose]

shit and shit tbf

[junior urchin]

Que

[night turret]

Oh no of course not

In total hours

[vocal rose]

I mean I wouldn't have that type of build

[gentle island]

I am more happy when a seance build works then when a baron one does

[vocal rose]

so my answer is still no

[junior urchin]

Why not

[heady narwhal]

baron setup: 7 copies of death and strength, 15 levels of highcard
seance setup: one suit changer

[night turret]

I did beat 5 of them in a row in one sitting

[heady narwhal]

unreliable value generation is way more useful than unreliable scoring imo

[vocal rose]

shit and shit so idrc

[vocal rose]

because im usually playing gold stake

so that type of build just ISNT going to happen "by ante 3"

[balmy gulch]

Does invis ever change its target joker?

[vocal rose]

or "by ante 8"

[vocal rose]

if you sell the target joker

[balmy gulch]

So if it targets an eternal, it'll always go to it?

[heady narwhal]

if you sell any joker iirc

[vocal rose]

it'll still be the target joker if you sell another one im like 95% sure

if you have joker A B C invis targets A if you sell B it'll still hit A

[balmy gulch]

Runs dead then, raised fist has doomed me

[vocal rose]

I think anyways

[junior urchin]

Unseeded and ik it’s white stake but I had zero Econ the whole run

[junior urchin]

Sub-5 poll maker 🤫

[vocal rose]

random ass jokers

3/5 of these jokers are like

S tier

[balmy gulch]

I don't hate any of those 5

[heady narwhal]

it picks a random number between 1 and (# of jokers) using a predetermined seed. for some reason it tends to pick the same number when you have close #s of jokers (so if it picks 3 of 5 it'll probably also pick 3 of 4) so it's not nearly as reliable as selling the target jokers but it still should change sometimes

[vocal rose]

I dont care

[gentle island]

they arent supposed to be "bad jokers" they are supposed to be good jokers with maybe a story behind them

[heady narwhal]

also i think if you sell a joker that you got earlier than the target joker it should be more likely to change

[vocal rose]

makes sense

[rare kelp]

Just a few minutes ago I won a game with Polychrome Madness lol

[heady narwhal]

this is based on the source code and not practical experience though

[fringe nebula]

this is....... this is beautiful

[gentle island]

Yeah I love madness

[heady narwhal]

flower pot

[ancient gyro]

uh oh it's potty

[hybrid tendon]

the omen globe 🌹

[rare kelp]

"father i crave jimbo"

[gentle island]

4$ celestial pack 🤑

[rotund cloud]

I Heard that the Joker blueprint is good

It true?

[gentle island]

nah its overated tbh

[ancient gyro]

sometimes

[vocal rose]

ye

[fringe nebula]

depends on what jokers it copies

[tulip sapphire]

I just asserted my dominance by using an ante 5 ankh on burnt joker

[rotund cloud]

How do i get it

[lyric wave]

why do you have flower pot stickered and not bloodstone

[ancient gyro]

good question

[vocal rose]

find it in the shop

[gentle island]

I just asserted my dominance by throwing the run

[rotund cloud]

It copies Other jokers???

[fringe nebula]

new savefile

[safe moat]

Will c++ become harder to obtain by 1.1

[lyric wave]

you have to win a run to unlock it, but I imagine you've already done that

[rotund cloud]

Its the Blue Joker right?

[rare kelp]

Spectral jokers need a small upgrade

[lyric wave]

6th sense doesn't destroy sixes
I thought these were buffs

[rare kelp]

In general

[lyric wave]

that's an upside to 6th sense

[vocal rose]

depends

[ancient gyro]

depends if meta changes drastically or not after other balances and reworks not yet discussed

[safe moat]

Man I’m 96% give me a break

[hybrid tendon]

I'm starting to doubt you actually have c++ brochacho

[fringe nebula]

wow ok

[vocal rose]

changing of the pair meta can either be making the game easier or harder

[safe moat]

I love his design

[rotund cloud]

It apeared once when i won as a Achievement

[vocal rose]

oooo even steven

[rotund cloud]

Oh yeah

[rare kelp]

Damn why not both

😿

[rotund cloud]

Its that one that showed up as a Achievement

[junior urchin]

Why do you not like me

[rotund cloud]

How It copies

[vocal rose]

I never said that

I just said I dont care

in regards to the topic

[junior urchin]

Chemical bromine you could habe just not replied

[vocal rose]

but I did

👀

[ancient gyro]

not replying in a social media app wdym

[vocal rose]

but I think ignoring is more rude

rather than being blunt

[rare kelp]

How old are you?

[rotund cloud]

How It works

[gentle island]

drag to move

[lyric wave]

it copies the effect of the joker to the right

[woven spire]

worked

[rotund cloud]

I dont have It unlocked yet

[gentle island]

rip

[rotund cloud]

No i Can Still get It

[rotund cloud]

But never got

[fringe nebula]

u serious?

[hybrid tendon]

chips 🤑

[fringe nebula]

maybe triple hermit in arcana pack

so i can pick both

[ancient gyro]

o tough one

[gentle island]

C++?

[rotund cloud]

Can You Tell me How it Works?

[woven spire]

roffle special

[gentle island]

it copies the abilites of the joker to the right

[lyric wave]

looks inside

[rotund cloud]

Oh cool

[fringe nebula]

on phone

[lyric wave]

did you just get that?

[fringe nebula]

but not on pc

[gentle island]

damn

[rotund cloud]

What is that yellow one?

[lyric wave]

that's negative greedy joker

[gentle island]

+3 mult per diamond scored

[rotund cloud]

Oh yeah thanks

[heavy heron]

ugh.. obelisk… boring ahh run

[rotund cloud]

I see the diamonds now

[rare kelp]

📸

[lyric wave]

white stake

[versed zenith]

i was in hell looking at heaven

[woven spire]

thats a negative greedy

[hybrid tendon]

early blueprint is bait

[rotund cloud]

Thanks

[woven spire]

torture*

[bold hamlet]

The lion takes blueprint ante 1

[woven spire]

The lion cant afford it.

[rotund cloud]

Is blueprint rare?

[fringe crest]

just finished cyberpunk and uhh spoilers ||but i dont think i saw a body so therfore david lives||

[bold hamlet]

If it makes you feel better even if it wasn’t holo you couldn’t afford it

[rare kelp]

"I have no enough money and i'm forced to choose [Next Round]"

[versed zenith]

it had holographic too 😿

[bold hamlet]

Yeah it’s def the best joker in the game

[versed zenith]

it does not

[rotund cloud]

Oh no

[rotund cloud]

Yellow deck situation

[versed zenith]

this was purple

or wsit no

[bold hamlet]

Blue

[versed zenith]

this was blue

my b thought you were talking abt difficulty

[rotund cloud]

I mean that If You had yellow deck You could get It

[versed zenith]

yeah very sad indeed

[bold hamlet]

@rotund cloud what’s your fav joker so far

[rotund cloud]

Uh

[rotund cloud]

Let me think

[bold hamlet]

All good

[rotund cloud]

Egg

[bold hamlet]

Good answer

[rotund cloud]

With swashbucker

[versed zenith]

we all know best joker is joker right

[lyric wave]

jimbo*

[bold hamlet]

Egg is awesome

[rotund cloud]

Yeah i love joker

[versed zenith]

crazy good with the dagger joker

[hybrid tendon]

jimbo

[bold hamlet]

I like it more for temperance value

[lyric wave]

dagger is just terrible, solid F-tier joker

[rotund cloud]

Yes but i would use It on the egg for Emergency

[versed zenith]

[bold hamlet]

This man has never had an ante 1 dagger with riff raff

[gentle island]

immortal rental negative egg take or leave

[bold hamlet]

Take

[rotund cloud]

Like in almost losing the run

[bold hamlet]

Temperance value

[gentle island]

now how about not negative

[bold hamlet]

Depends what ante and deck

[versed zenith]

bro nooo we do not understand the method

[bold hamlet]

Black deck I take

[gentle island]

gold yellow

[rotund cloud]

Dagger is Very good with riff raff

[ancient gyro]

it's ok

[bold hamlet]

Pfffff leave

[gentle island]

polychrome?

[bold hamlet]

Take

[versed zenith]

WE all agree superposition is best joker

[gentle island]

holo?

[lyric wave]

dagger is like an objectively worse version of red card in pretty much every way

[gentle island]

foil?

[cloud sinew]

wrong

[bold hamlet]

Foil debatably should be nerfed ngl

[ancient gyro]

4 mult every round isn't the most compelling for scaling standards when riff raff is doing most of the work

[lyric wave]

if you want to scale it, it's like max +4 per round and it takes up a second joker slot

[rotund cloud]

Riff raff gives jokers for free

[gentle island]

then you need an empty slot, and a riffraff slot

[cloud sinew]

"max +4" are you only ever buying $4 jokers?

[rotund cloud]

Yes

[gentle island]

3 slots 1 joker?

[ancient gyro]

wrong use of vocabulary. objectively it scales practically 1 to 1 money mult ratio

higher than red card

[gentle island]

doesnt it round down too?

[bold hamlet]

You only need an empty slot for dagger when you’re scaling it. Once you get an xmult you don’t really need to go past like 60ish mult on the dagger

[ancient gyro]

in terms of money to mult

[gentle island]

so 5 or less gets +4

[lyric wave]

thing is, you can't have it work with xmult without it killing your lineup

you want your +mult before your xmult

[cloud sinew]

what

[rotund cloud]

Riff raff Other joker blade and any joker made by riff raff then it Goes to the blade

[bold hamlet]

Put an eternal in between

[cloud sinew]

YOU DONT NEED TO DO THAT EITHER

[ancient gyro]

sell value rounds down indirectly hurting scaling returns while making up for doubling it's effective scaling on rentals

[cloud sinew]

you can just move dagger rightmost before you select blind

[gentle island]

yeah...

[bold hamlet]

Also it’s only when the blind starts

[cloud sinew]

it is not that difficult

[bold hamlet]

Yeah

[lyric wave]

y'know I might be dumb

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[cloud sinew]

yes

you are

[bold hamlet]

lol

[ancient gyro]

but that's ok

[rotund cloud]

I Think It works like that

[bold hamlet]

Dagger is pretty good man give it a shot

Plus it got dat baseball card juice

[ancient gyro]

it's decent

[cloud sinew]

complaining about the joker and you dont even know how to use it

[rotund cloud]

Its good

[azure ginkgo]

Dagger's good, but unfortunately it's the last joker I need for C++ xd

[gentle island]

bro when I started I was thinking blueprint was trash as I didnt know you could move them lmao

[bold hamlet]

You’ll get it eventually

[stuck finch]

Guys... I think Yorick is my favorite Legendary

[rotund cloud]

What is c++

[bold hamlet]

Yorick is awesome and so is chicot

[ancient gyro]

programming

[gentle island]

pro

[cloud sinew]

an achievement

[rotund cloud]

Oh

Ok

[azure ginkgo]

completionist plus plus, all jokers gold stickered

[gentle island]

pro gamer
programmer

[stuck finch]

I haven't gotten Chicot yet. What do they do?

[rotund cloud]

Competitive balatro

[cloud sinew]

disables all boss blind abilities

[bold hamlet]

Reverses the boss blind effect

[azure ginkgo]

doesn't reverse unless you have multiple

just disables if you have 1

[cloud sinew]

its also not intended, it has been fixed for 1.1

[bold hamlet]

Right yeah

[gentle island]

when was that?

[rotund cloud]

Does It Destroy itself?

[cloud sinew]

in the future

[cloud sinew]

no, why would it do that

[stuck finch]

Nah, I was asking Chicot, not Yorick's lol

Yorick is great when you don't want to deal with the boss blinds that destroy your card ranks.

[azure ginkgo]

no its just a permanent thing

[rotund cloud]

Its a Good joker

[ancient gyro]

chicot isn't suicidal 🥀

man

[lyric wave]

chicot is the one that disables boss blinds

[rotund cloud]

I dont have It unlocked

[lyric wave]

yorick is +1x mult every 23 cards discarded

[bold hamlet]

Tbh I think the reverse shouldn’t be taken out

[azure ginkgo]

i get why it is being taken out but yeah it is a cool little thing that makes chicot a bit neater

[bold hamlet]

Yeah

[cloud sinew]

its only really for endless/high score

[azure ginkgo]

yeah it's def not important to chicot its just funny and makes it a lot more interesting lol

[ancient gyro]

it's an unintended naneinf method and since thunkard doesn't balance around that he decided to remove it

[stuck finch]

Oh wait, lol... My bad

[rotund cloud]

Which Joker You all like The most

[bold hamlet]

My fav is Burglar

[terse vale]

steeeel

[azure ginkgo]

big fan of lucky cat

[rotund cloud]

Put your hands up

[gentle island]

stencil

[stuck finch]

Uhhhhh... The one that gives you a multiplier for every Tarot card.

[terse vale]

?

[fringe nebula]

blackboard and vagabond

[terse vale]

wait whats that one

[bold hamlet]

Use your blueprint/brainstorm on a burglar and thank me later

[azure ginkgo]

fortune teller

[ancient gyro]

the second one

[azure ginkgo]

shoot the moons cool

[fringe nebula]

fortune teller i think

[rotund cloud]

Dont have it

[terse vale]

oh the word multiplier threw me off

[azure ginkgo]

that is an incredibly interesting joker stats list LMAO

[stuck finch]

Fortune Teller is great. Probably my second favorite.

[rotund cloud]

Name?

[bold hamlet]

Forget everything you’re doing rn and discard a royal flush for brainstorm

[surreal coral]

I like hanging chad

[ancient gyro]

outside of stm, most of the other ones makes sense for gs

[rotund cloud]

Oh so that Is how You get It

[bold hamlet]

Yes

[azure ginkgo]

i love square but at #1 is really surprising, green joker is shocking to me. i respect the hell out of blackboard but im a bit surprised there, same with red card

[stuck finch]

There's too many Jokers to name, I can't really name off which ones I like.

I know for a fact I don't like the vampire one.

[gentle island]

stencil is my favorite by far

[bold hamlet]

looks inside

[azure ginkgo]

vampires awesome D:

[ancient gyro]

unconditional scoring is the name of the pair lobotomy meta

[rotund cloud]

Which one is that

[strange abyss]

Win you the game

[azure ginkgo]

yeah i just dislike green personally i think lol, much prefer halvsies and bus for pair

[stuck finch]

True.

[ancient gyro]

isnt econ intensive, isn't card draw specific, dies to the least amount of boss blinds, etc

[bold hamlet]

Green joker is awesome

[rotund cloud]

Oh that one

[bleak gale]

This is just on my phone

[stuck finch]

Negative, Polychrome, or Hologram?

[bleak gale]

Big DNA fan

[fringe nebula]

magic deck is basically yellow deck with some extra steps

[rocky tiger]

4th soul this run

[rotund cloud]

My game is on another Language

[azure ginkgo]

holy

[strange abyss]

Least pairmaxxed gold stake player

[azure ginkgo]

thats wild

[ancient gyro]

same generally, though scalers happen to have a longer lifespan which the stat page counts more for

[rocky tiger]

saw canio already

[rotund cloud]

So thats the soul huh

[flat warren]

Why is a common $10?

[ancient gyro]

polychrome is 5 bucks

[bold hamlet]

Effects make price higher

[ancient gyro]

pay up

[strange abyss]

why is egg free

[stuck finch]

Don't worry about it 🙂

[ancient gyro]

yk why 💔

[bold hamlet]

Tag maybe?

[bleak gale]

Free egg..

[rotund cloud]

Rainbow egg

[gentle island]

chicken tag

[bold hamlet]

Yeah polychrome tag

First joker in shop was already polychrome so it went to the next

[keen radish]

I can’t beat purple stake on red or blue deck

[strange abyss]

@ new tag idea

[rotund isle]

Hey guys im new here. Trying to play my first multiplayer game as a noob, how do i go about that?

[keen radish]

I don’t get what I’m doing wrong

[rotund cloud]

Did You take the

[woven spire]

.

[rotund isle]

Ive downloaded the mod but idk how to find a game with someone else who is new

[gentle island]

wait how did you even lose with those jokers

[rotund cloud]

New for what

[rotund isle]

New to multiplayer, just downloaded it

[woven spire]

only the last hand had a face card

horrible draws

[rotund cloud]

I Cant mod

[gentle island]

oh you were doing flushes not pairs

rookie mistakes

[strange abyss]

try checking the balatro multiplayer server. You can set up matches with people there

[woven spire]

wild.

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[bold hamlet]

All roads lead to two pair

[rotund cloud]

Why

[bold hamlet]

Inconsistent

[strange abyss]

All roads lead to two pair

[serene forge]

its bad

[rotund cloud]

What It does?

[serene forge]

1 in 9.5 chance of 0.44x mult per heart card scored

[ancient gyro]

not all of us play plassma

[gentle island]

all roads lead two pair

[rotund isle]

Ohhhh ok I must be in the wrong spot, thanks

[strange abyss]

1/2 chance for x1.5 mult for every scored heart card

[bold hamlet]

Im just trousermaxxed

[woven spire]

im honestly ass at building around pairs, any tips?

[serene forge]

pants is a pair joker

[rotund cloud]

Oh thats bad

[bold hamlet]

A two pair joker

[rotund cloud]

Oh

[ancient gyro]

how do we tell you about this...

[serene forge]

no it's a pair joker

you're supposed to play pairs with it

you want a weakly leveled two pair

[rotund cloud]

Its a two pair joker

[errant brook]

Almost a year later, finally got to see this for the first time

I'm excited

[strange abyss]

find chip jokers that scale (castle, square joker, runner, stuntman etc)
Some form of in hand scoring (Shoot the moon and steel cards)
Then times mult

[gentle island]

I just do two pair into full houses if I get one of them

[strange abyss]

I just realized stuntman doesnt scale

but still a good source of chips if ever

[bold hamlet]

Idk man I just play two pairs to keep scaling it

[rotund cloud]

Can i Have some money for my run?

[strange abyss]

or find plenty of mercury

[serene forge]

no it is not

[woven spire]

i see, thx

[bold hamlet]

Planet scales better

[rotund cloud]

It is

[serene forge]

you don't want uranus...

[bold hamlet]

I want Uranus

[serene forge]

ew i have a girlfriend

[errant brook]

You'd rather 2 grand than negative invisible joker?

[ancient gyro]

fr

[bold hamlet]

Square joker spare trouser bro

[bold hamlet]

They’re trying to silence the two pair

[serene forge]

are pair jokers

[serene forge]

i know what trousers does

i'm not dumb

i'm saying it's most effective with pairs

as are a lot of Jokers

[bold hamlet]

Maybe I want to scale the spare trousers though

[rotund cloud]

So its two pair

[serene forge]

then you wouldnt want uranus

[bold hamlet]

Yeah true

[rotund cloud]

Oh ok

[serene forge]

runner scales with straights yet it is a pair joker

[ancient gyro]

conditional scaling, unconditional scoring. two different things, the latter makes it a pair joker as what the current 2 year old meta dictates

[rotund cloud]

I see

[bold hamlet]

Everything depends on what deck and what synergies you have, sometimes it’s best to play pairs sometimes you end up actually scoring with the two pair so there’s no definitive best way to use

[ancient gyro]

leveling up scoring poker hands tied to the scaling requirements reduces room for scaling short term and increases dependency on one poker hand. usually harder to obtain on average than just treating it as an unconditional scoring source later on.

[strange abyss]

Every joker is useful in some situations
Some are more useful in most situations

[harsh elk]

Bludster is talking about meta in a single player game 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡

[rotund cloud]

Does every Joker Have Names?

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[serene forge]

free bottom surgery

[strange abyss]

yes

[rotund cloud]

Then what is the Name of this one 🃏

[bold hamlet]

Some have community given names. “Joker” for example is called Jimbo

[cosmic sun]

gerald

[strange abyss]

Jonathan Joe Joker

[tulip sapphire]

coming out of first shop is this just a win lol

[serene forge]

bloodstone is colloquially known as "horseshit"

[cosmic sun]

aight JoJo

[rotund cloud]

The j's

[cerulean arch]

I just had a cavendish go extinct in my first good black deck run in a while, I'm devastated.

[rotund cloud]

Its extinct

[bold hamlet]

Easiest black deck run

[strange abyss]

just find planet scaling and some more flat mult and you're probably good

[cerulean arch]

I'm extinct

[glossy mortar]

I’m gonna be honest. I’m bored of the game now. Like. Spending a total of now 6 hours on black deck and adding another hour to my time spent on jokerless getting nowhere is just so draining. This game badly needs more content. Just basing your head in one thing over and over praying for the lucky attempt is boring and idk what to do.

[rotund cloud]

Then how are You here

[glossy mortar]

Someone give me an idea.

[bold hamlet]

Mods

[rotund cloud]

💡

[glossy mortar]

?

[ancient gyro]

black++ without unlocking throwback

[strange abyss]

play the other decks at easier stakes to take your mind off of the more challenging ones

[bold hamlet]

Try black deck jokerless

[ancient gyro]

that's not fun though

or plausible

for your average challenger

[glossy mortar]

Not a single person giving me a serious response. I should have expected that xD

[fringe nebula]

take that bitch

[serene forge]

play cryptid for 1 game and you'll beg to go back to vanilla gameplay

[ancient gyro]

what I said was serious

im currently doing one rn

minus the tb part

[glossy mortar]

Sure tell me how to do that on mobile and I’ll do it right now.

[rotund cloud]

Lightbulb unflips 4 random cards If the same is flipped

[strange abyss]

Well, we are all fools here

[bold hamlet]

If you’re bored of the game play a different game man idk

[stone shell]

i like to imagine every time luchador is sold at a boss blind the blind gets slammed into the ground

[bold hamlet]

Play btd6

[ancient gyro]

play terraria

[rotund cloud]

Lets copy the Last thing then