🕹・game-discussion

[terse vale]

soon I guess ?

[patent sail]

spectral pack = instant open for me icl

[terse vale]

I would just save

[exotic orchid]

When you have chips and mult to support it.

[tawdry rock]

holy fuck hot water after listerine is NOT a good combination AT ALL

[patent sail]

YEAHHHH

light em up

[exotic orchid]

Immolate

[patent sail]

light em up

light em up twin

[tawdry rock]

immolate THEN deja vu

[patent sail]

and dejavu yeah

[tawdry rock]

do not do deja vu then immolate

[glossy forge]

Does Hanging a glass card count towards Glass Joker?

😔 thanks

[carmine spoke]

I might just sell ankh now

[tawdry rock]

as a professional "ive tried that before"er i can tell you my expert opinion is no

[vagrant wagon]

Which card?

[exotic orchid]

King

[patent sail]

king? idk

[tawdry rock]

kingatron

[exotic orchid]

Unless you wanna do a 8 ball run.

[vagrant wagon]

Which king 🫠

[patent sail]

heart is better cuz diamonds are

mid

[tawdry rock]

that one

hearts ofc

fuck diamonds

so much

[exotic orchid]

Heart is usually my default choice. But i don't have many logic other than bloodstone

[tawdry rock]

anything except hearts and spades can go die in a bottomless pit with walls of fire

[patent sail]

like diamonds are just a rectangle bro 😭 other ranks are better looking

[calm furnace]

balatro is a funny game

[tawdry rock]

clubs are so bad

i havent unlocked onyx agate just because i hate clubs so much

[vagrant wagon]

Should I hex my straight joker?

[exotic orchid]

Also you can choose the suit for which you already have beaten the boss.

[calm furnace]

if i didnt have bus canio would be at 8x :/

[patent sail]

erotic deck or whatever its called

[exotic orchid]

Erotic 😳

[calm furnace]

+18 deck

[tawdry rock]

what if im 0 and that adds 18 to my age (complete false hypothetical i am NOT 0 if this is reported please ignore it discord)

[livid temple]

reported

[calm furnace]

you cant because balatro is a gambling game and you have to be 18 + to play it

[tawdry rock]

please dont

discd is so bad at readig reports

[livid temple]

alr

[patent sail]

listen, my friend Infra had a rated level in gd called "Erratic" and ALL the comments were just copy+pasted "EROTIC BY INFRA" 😭 i stole that joke from there

[livid temple]

is it gen that bad

[tawdry rock]

so fucking bad

[terse vale]

no

[vagrant wagon]

In my country its is for 13+💀💀

[patent sail]

make it gay

[livid temple]

onyx was the last suit joker i unlocked

[tawdry rock]

who up gayin they straight jokers

[vagrant wagon]

So hex yes or no 🤔

[exotic orchid]

How would you type this sentence if you were a 0.

[patent sail]

TRUE no one fucking ever does clubs

[tawdry rock]

nah wait for a better one

[terse vale]

no !!

[patent sail]

only if you plan on keeping it

[livid temple]

i unlocked the rest passively but i had to force myself play clubs to unlock it

[patent sail]

if not then dont

[terse vale]

(do not plan on keeping it)

[tawdry rock]

hmm i should try erotic deck

[ancient gyro]

too bad the game represents them the most out of any other suit

[vagrant wagon]

How do i deck fix enough for a straight build

[tawdry rock]

i didnt even mean to type erotic

[exotic orchid]

I think ghost deck has that hex only for gold stickers.

[tawdry rock]

fuck you ashy eroticizing my vocabulary

[exotic orchid]

So i get some value from a completely worthless pick

[glossy forge]

GG glass run o7

[patent sail]

i should make my language pack and give things dumb names

[tawdry rock]

gotta try to unlock these clubs

[ancient gyro]

cut off end ranks
slightly inflate middle ranks
smaller overall deck size
5-J rank distribution

[exotic orchid]

Cut off the tails. Inflate in the middle.

[cloud sinew]

god. vessel would be terrifying

[exotic orchid]

Or get shortcut and save bunch of money

[ancient gyro]

wattesigma

[mystic bear]

i am currently on a run where Space Joker has proced 3 of 29 hands

[still geyser]

where mult 💔

[ancient gyro]

planets

[cloud sinew]

Dont need it

[livid temple]

most useful space joker

[patent sail]

i ate

[exotic orchid]

Highest number of times it has proced in history

[ancient gyro]

and plassma

[still geyser]

[vagrant wagon]

So i try to deck fix so i only have A-5 or what?

[cloud sinew]

Ive had space joker miss 26 times in a row

[patent sail]

j-5

[vagrant wagon]

Oh ok

[ancient gyro]

didn't even read my message 🥀

[exotic orchid]

You didn't play a random throw hand. It would proc immediately

[livid temple]

ive had space joker proc twice in a row on straights (world record)

[vagrant wagon]

I read it but i miss understood it 🫠

[terse vale]

?

[ancient gyro]

what happened to reading

o

[still geyser]

??

[ancient gyro]

fair enough

[cloud sinew]

~1 in 200,000 btw

[terse vale]

she just doesn’t need mult

[tawdry rock]

me when i dont need mult

[still geyser]

well swith to xmult would help lol

[livid temple]

nah, not that useful on plasma

[cloud sinew]

I have 570 chips on base straights and I have juggler shortcut runner, my straights are scaling very well

[ancient gyro]

do space copies follow a queue for activation similar to lucky cards or is it independent from other luck activations

[cloud sinew]

It is, just not for this run

[ancient gyro]

or for most runs in the matter

[cloud sinew]

it follows a queue

[ancient gyro]

nice

[cloud sinew]

so itll proc regardless of the hand you play

[still geyser]

well baron and mime on plasma on high score run says otherwise

[vagrant wagon]

Do I Take one of these

[ancient gyro]

so bp/bs will extend the queue

how fun

[tawdry rock]

wheel i guess

[ancient gyro]

sir this is gs

[cloud sinew]

thats high score, not A8/GS

[cloud sinew]

they have independent queues im pretty sure

[rancid niche]

Mult on plasma is better

There are way too many options for xmult than for chips

[cloud sinew]

Not for this run

which was the context

[rancid niche]

And they scale faster

[still geyser]

yes but op generalized the sentence to plasma only

[rancid niche]

Yeah that's the most important thing lol

[ancient gyro]

I'm not sure how you're personally measuring "easier" and "more consistent." Personally, I use win rate as the measurement.

At the end of the day, the scoring requirements on the Plasma Deck are twice as big.

Planet Cards give 10 times as much Chips compared to Mult. Jokers generally give 5-7 times as much Chips compared to Mult. If you have Bus and Ramen, you're getting +2 Mult per hand, which is half of the Chips you'd get from Square Joker. The only way you "get ahead" on Mult is with more than one Mult Joker.

"A good Mult build" may get enough Mult to be at least equal to Chips. Notably, when your Chips and Mult are already equal, no benefit is gained from the Plasma Deck, but the scoring requirements are still twice as big. A 150k hand on another deck, easily clearing the final boss in 3 hands, might only score 170k on the Plasma Deck, failing to reach 800k even with all 4 hands. Builds which win on other decks are actually very likely to fall short on the Plasma Deck.

Notably, your definition of a "good" build may be different from mine. Sure, if you're scoring 500k per hand with Photo and Chad, that's going to work just fine on the Plasma Deck, but I prefer to win all my runs, not just the "good" ones.

[cloud sinew]

which this run is on, but its also on gold stake and within ante 8.

[ancient gyro]

here's a shitpasta from chips vs mult from a doctor

i found for plasma scoring

[rancid niche]

That's bangin

[still geyser]

so it depends on the context!

[ancient gyro]

which was already given yes

crazy how that works

[cloud sinew]

I was tempted to take luchador but i think i scale enough...

[rancid niche]

I'm not reading all of that.
Good for you tho, or sad for you Idk the context

[ancient gyro]

bs space copy proc while space with no copies didnt

[tawdry rock]

im so close

i neeeeed onyx agate

[ancient gyro]

yeah misinformed ppl can't read it's alright

[rancid niche]

Wym misinformed?

Why am I misinformed

[ancient gyro]

read and find out

or dont

[tawdry rock]

hey guuuuuys lets not fight

[ancient gyro]

not everything has to be answered

[still geyser]

look man im just trying to say that the sentence given was "nah, not that useful on plasma" is missing context 😭

[pale wolf]

"sorry, i'm actually functionally illiterate."

ftfy

[still geyser]

chill down

[ancient gyro]

i havent used fighting words yet I'm just giving an infographic on plasma play style in terms of consistency

[pale wolf]

its a rude thing to say

it deserves a rude response

plus i believe it

[ancient gyro]

take it from doctor plasma

[cloud sinew]

how does that show anything either way

[cloud sinew]

its a reference

[pale wolf]

ik but its being used genuinely

if you use that it still doesnt excuse just ignoring the message content

[rancid niche]

Look friend I just win more consistently when I find xmult scaling on plasma, it's not that deep

[rancid niche]

It's a joke

[ancient gyro]

well i assumed the space joker triggers are from a queue similar to other probability based activations

[pale wolf]

so you read it

[rancid niche]

I did

[pale wolf]

👍

[ancient gyro]

yeah but that's statistically inaccurate from what requirements need to be filled throughout the course of the run

[cloud sinew]

LETS GOOOO

[ancient gyro]

since chips have a higher overall number source

o

is this ggs

[cloud sinew]

likely

[ancient gyro]

and requiring 2 x mults to outpace raw chips is a lower probability of

happening

[edgy whale]

guys I just watched the recent unseeded ante 39 video of roffle, the last 30 mins, how tf is he so broken in the game? and i can't even get pass 12 wtf 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[ancient gyro]

a39 isn't necessarily a skill indicator so no need to be concerned

its more of a btd6 freeplay thing

if that makes sense

frying your computer

[hardy fable]

[rancid niche]

Well how many chips do you need to beat the ante 8 boss blind? it's a little bit less than 1800 chips right?
How are you gonna get that much?

I'm geniunely asking

[still geyser]

hey stuntgod remember me

[hardy fable]

no

[still geyser]

im gm08 lol

[hardy fable]

still no

[cloud sinew]

humbled so quickly, i underscore by like 10k

[still geyser]

cmon man 😭

[ancient gyro]

oh

[edgy whale]

that's still a lot of dedication tho...

[cloud sinew]

not really

[tranquil cedar]

this is just me

[cloud sinew]

its one run

[ancient gyro]

planets, money, retriggers, etc

[vagrant wagon]

What is The best idea here

[hardy fable]

sitbp

[ancient gyro]

chip value requirements for plasma
(violet vessel requirements in parentheses)
1 hand: 1789 (3099)
3 hands: 1033 (1789)
4 hands: 895 (1550)

[vagrant wagon]

?

[raw whale]

the great poly stone gambit

[hardy fable]

stuntman in the buffoon pack

[cloud sinew]

what the hell is this setup

[tranquil cedar]

rocking that shi

[edgy whale]

well btd6 is still understandable...
but those numbers overwhelms me tbh...

[vagrant wagon]

Unlucky

[cloud sinew]

gift is huge wtf

[raw whale]

flush 5 speedrun

[ancient gyro]

a8 is also a last resort concern, I can think of more threatening obstacles before that point

[cloud sinew]

take gift, sell hex, take swash

[hardy fable]

take gift sell hex get swash and we ball

[still geyser]

synergy! synergy!

[rancid niche]

Yeah what I'm saying is, on plasma we either go mult or chips we don't need to scale both, so it makes more sense to go with the one with multiplicative options

[tranquil cedar]

take shift say gex take slash

[ancient gyro]

similar to reaching a39, it's just a playground mode not really attached to a significant form of skill as intended to be

[tranquil cedar]

i can mult anything

[vagrant wagon]

I hate it to not play flush 🫠

[edgy whale]

sell hex

[cloud sinew]

which is not viable on some runs. always going for mult will kill you, same with chips.

[tranquil cedar]

that's what I said, say gex

[ancient gyro]

x mult is only better when given the opportunity to pivot and have multiple sources to work on.

it is far more taxing to consistently build towards than just going for money, chips, and planets.

the example with the bus ramen vs square per hand kind of summarizes the problem given

[rancid niche]

I agree on going with whatever the more sensible option for the run

[wintry ice]

well there's less of a point in multiplication as a primary strategy when the base is much lower

[cloud sinew]

blue seals are incredible on plasma because of how much it enables pivots

[ancient gyro]

chips work better in early game and are more frequent on low bar runs

yeah

[tawdry rock]

HELL YEAH

[cloud sinew]

and its a source of chips until then

[tawdry rock]

FUCK YOU AGATE

[rancid niche]

You're gonna take planets either way

[vagrant wagon]

Every time a fricking photo

[ancient gyro]

can't concern yourself about late game if you're

never going to get there

[rancid niche]

I don't take +mult or xmult jokers in the early antes because they score less points but when given the opportunity to pivot into pure xmult in the late game then that's what I'm gonna do

[cloud sinew]

straight run again :3

[latent egret]

could i ask why did you get the joker role ?

i was there for the zebra one

[ancient gyro]

yeah of course, multiple x mult jokers can be a better alternative. its just not as frequent as you claim it to be when the argument is mainly because "chips can't keep up"

[cloud sinew]

thunk thinks i deserve to be blue

[latent egret]

ah okay great

[ancient gyro]

thunk thinks it's cool to play switch balatro with a mouse

[cloud sinew]

ya

[latent egret]

there also was the spinny odd/even debacle

[cloud sinew]

THIS WEEK!

[raw whale]

ok i think we pivot

[ancient gyro]

can't wait to not see it 🥀

[wintry ice]

jesse, why are you blue

[ancient gyro]

lilo why are you zebra

[vagrant wagon]

Just keep going or do i take something here

[ancient gyro]

she said the gamer word 🥀

[cloud sinew]

:( NO

[ancient gyro]

oh noes

[cloud sinew]

im not taking obelisk when i have shortcut and level 5 straights by a3

[wintry ice]

strush pivot time question mark

[ancient gyro]

erm

[rancid niche]

I didn't claim that chips can't keep up! I won with some copies of bull and rebate lmao, I won with stone joker and marble joker and copying jokers

[ancient gyro]

oh

[cloud sinew]

fuck

[ancient gyro]

that's a shame

[raw whale]

we did not in fact pivot

[cloud sinew]

i dont even need to say

+$10 :3

[ancient gyro]

ironic considering my current argument about x mult

[cloud sinew]

HUGE

bull please bull please

[ancient gyro]

oh boy

[white flint]

guys

do i go for photochad

or bloodstone sixes

[marsh swan]

Just rip it

I don't think its worth selling anything

Considering the photo is eternal

[white flint]

also

invis hit sixes

so i sold it

it hit photo

[marsh swan]

Wow worst outcome rip

[white flint]

so like i respawned the shot

[marsh swan]

Oh wait

[white flint]

and got photo

so im keeping it

[marsh swan]

Oh you save scummed

[white flint]

and bloodstone would be mid cuz im using mostly spades

so ill still sell bloodstone later

[tawdry rock]

its an okay run and i really dont care that i lost but i clubmaxxed here so hard that i finally got onyx agate

[white flint]

im doing my 1st goldstake tho

[marsh swan]

Why arent you trying to make hearts then

[white flint]

i made them spades before cuz i had arrowhead

but it was perishable

and didnt think ill hit bloodstone

[raw whale]

oog

[tawdry rock]

awesome now use 7 strengths to make it a king

:3

[raw whale]

perkeo next shop trust

[white flint]

i might swap my cards colours tho

[tawdry rock]

flash card is so good

flash card my goat

[raven fjord]

bean bug lite 🥲

got to 13 from 8

[vocal rose]

what'd you do to live

[raven fjord]

9*

[tacit quail]

man

im tryna get baron gold sticker rn

so hard to do deliberately

im trying erratic deck and spam r for kings

or ghost deck ouija attempts

sucks

[raven fjord]

had bull to get like 120k points then sold bull and carried by high card level 32

like 30k per hand

pr smth

[white flint]

CRAZY

[cloud sinew]

AAAH

[white flint]

SIXES CAME BACK

IM SO GOATED

this will be prob my 1st gold stake lol

[tawdry rock]

unlocked AND discovered in the same day

fuck you clubs

im never touching you again

[tacit quail]

whats ur texture

[tawdry rock]

#1412350576762814501

[rocky delta]

https://i.imgur.com/YALb59F.jpeg sell one of the socks?

[tacit quail]

i dont like it its too dramatic

[vagrant wagon]

What us the best idea here

[tawdry rock]

oka!

[glossy forge]

All my homies hate Agate. This post was made by the Rough Gem gang

[cloud sinew]

abstract

[raw whale]

WHY IS EVERYTHING GOOD HERE

[tawdry rock]

take it all

hope this helps

[cloud sinew]

bye troub

[raw whale]

so i guess like invis and cert?

[tawdry rock]

say bye bye to troubador

[cloud sinew]

why are you not taking photo?

[raw whale]

what am i getting doe

[tawdry rock]

take photo obviously

and then invis

[raw whale]

this is white stake

[tawdry rock]

sell dusk or faceless iunno

[cloud sinew]

yeah?

[raw whale]

cert would be better longterm, no?

[vagrant wagon]

What do i take

[marsh dove]

SYNERGY SYNERGY SYNERGY SYNERGY

[marsh swan]

Use hex and take smiley face and open one of the celestial packs

[cloud sinew]

"longterm"? youre going for faces and you have good econ and util right now (faceless and carto, as well as dusk+chad for luckies or gold seals)

[marsh swan]

Maybe buy the emperor

[white flint]

stupid verdeant leaf

[tawdry rock]

im sorry why are people not horse reacting

this is a very horseable thing

[white flint]

i could've gotten an extra sticker on raised fist

[raw whale]

could dna 6th sense canio paraedolia work actually

[white flint]

but i have to sell it

[deft beacon]

hi

duck

[white flint]

since its the only not usefull to the build

[marsh swan]

Raised fist is easy to get a sticker on anyway

[white flint]

😭

yh but im doing gold stake

[marsh swan]

You can always replay it

[vagrant wagon]

do you guys think I could get a flush house build going?

[exotic orchid]

Sure

[marsh swan]

Hows your deck looking like

[exotic orchid]

A bit bruised ngl.

Oh you meant deck.

[marsh swan]

💔

[vagrant wagon]

Run just started so i start now on fixing it

[marsh dove]

w canio scaling

[vagrant wagon]

My shop now

[marsh swan]

Flush house is really unreliable but sure

[marsh swan]

Buy the arcana packs

Open emperor first

[carmine spoke]

😭

What do i replace

[vagrant wagon]

Lovers and Strength

[marsh swan]

Goodbye oops

[marsh dove]

madness canio synergy 🔥

[marsh swan]

Open the arcana packs and strengthen 10s into jacks if you have 2 10s

[carmine spoke]

Where will i put my blueprint tho i wanted it on bloodstone

[marsh swan]

Oh wait you don't have the deck fixing for baron*

?

[carmine spoke]

Not really

[marsh swan]

Probably the photograph then

[spark kernel]

How much will i suffer if i play gold stake black deck

[vagrant wagon]

I think much

[marsh swan]

I'm already losing my mind on orange stake with it so yeah

You'll lose your sanity

[marsh dove]

was my first gold stake its fire

my stategy for my first gold stake win was to simply get lucky, might work for you as well

[marsh swan]

Probably just open the judgement

[white flint]

i got my 1st gold stake on blue deck so sigma

[marsh swan]

Or temperance if you like money

[vagrant wagon]

Its a Dusk

[white flint]

photochad carried me thru purple, orange and gold stake 😭

[marsh swan]

My 1st gold stake was on green deck

[marsh swan]

Pretty good actually

If you find right jokers

[white flint]

also like i got it in like 80 hours

of playtime

ik its prob bad

but i didnt really care about gold stake in the start

[tawdry rock]

square joker

[raw whale]

do i abandon dusk

[tawdry rock]

and flash card

[spice warren]

wow

[vocal rose]

dagger

nobody be talking about it

[tawdry rock]

dagger too

he cool

[vocal rose]

hit the road

underrated too

[marsh swan]

Probably supernova or fortune teller

[vocal rose]

I mean supernova is known to be good tho

[ancient gyro]

astro

[marsh swan]

Idk i just love it so much

I had to mention it

[carmine spoke]

I didnt check the blind😭

[spice warren]

i think scholar and supernova seem underrated

to be fair this is the only joker you would prolly use for the first 4 antes then sell for something later

[vocal rose]

its a mid x mult joker

[ancient gyro]

nova has actual pair lobotomy reasoning

[vocal rose]

imo

[ancient gyro]

stencil is too expensive for its intended lifespan

scholar 🥀

[white flint]

abstract funny

[marsh swan]

Yeah supernova is decent sometimes

[spark kernel]

Holy shit thats rare

[marsh swan]

Take the banana

[ancient gyro]

level up what 💔

[spice warren]

i was talking about stencil blud

[marsh swan]

Son you edited the message

Ok nvm

[raw whale]

it would be if rare skip wasn't a thing because i swear speculative rare skip is 50% of the time a HtR/DL

[marsh swan]

I replied to the wrong one

But yeah stencil is great

Especially on black deck

[vocal rose]

so how does the rare skip correlate

[ancient gyro]

meh

[vocal rose]

you'd think so

but not really

[marsh swan]

It can carry early game

[raw whale]

no blueprint = dissapointment

[vocal rose]

it can do that on the other decks too

[ancient gyro]

yeah no reality is full of disappointments

[white flint]

istg anicent joker so goated

my fav joker fr

[carmine spoke]

Gg

[royal bobcat]

The galaxy build

[spark kernel]

What is my luck

[white flint]

i js realised

[marsh swan]

Ancient is really situational

[royal bobcat]

Ancient is so good

[white flint]

gold stake yet no full collection 😭

[ancient gyro]

its

[marsh swan]

Since a lot of the times its better to have no deck fixing for it

[vocal rose]

thats not uncommon

[royal bobcat]

That's why it's good

No deck fixing required

[vocal rose]

???

[tawdry rock]

why do you have baron

this is a question we will ask for generations

[marsh swan]

The only deck fixing for ancient are red seals and wild cards

[carmine spoke]

Uhh

Cuz baron

[tawdry rock]

???

[ancient gyro]

a joker incarnate of the problem child in the family

[tawdry rock]

its a shitty card

[vocal rose]

you want to cut down the deck for ancient deck

and sometimes add wild cards

I feel like both of those count as deck fixing

[ancient gyro]

adding wild cards on your most inflated suit for example

[raw whale]

the consequence of petroglyph

[marsh swan]

Yeah but sometimes your deck can end up uneven

[spark kernel]

Did i just find a really peak seed this cant be real

[tawdry rock]

"i use linux btw" typa screenshot

[marsh swan]

And boss blinds can mess ancient if you're not careful

[vocal rose]

add wild on the the suit with most cards, and trim down the cards evenly

[vocal rose]

yes thats true

[marsh swan]

Yeah thats the play

[vocal rose]

but 4 of them can be countered by skipping

[white flint]

also like

gold stake yet no trib

[vocal rose]

its arguably the hardest joker to like

be "good" at

[marsh swan]

A boss blind forcing you to skip is already pretty bad honestly

[ancient gyro]

ok

[vocal rose]

its not ideal but dying is pretty bad

probably worse id reckon

[ancient gyro]

not getting hard countered is something I

yeah

[marsh swan]

Yeah it's a bit more unfortunate

[white flint]

(ive gotten perkeo more than 10 times i feel atp)

[raw whale]

nahh

[ancient gyro]

among the initial problems of getting a specific flush

[vocal rose]

blue stake rework is ancient joker upscale

[white flint]

and i missed the 400$ to have by 1 dollar

😭

[vocal rose]

my favorite joker

[white flint]

i had 399

[tawdry rock]

i knew it

im just that good

[vagrant wagon]

Is it a good idea to take bp

[vocal rose]

uhhh

yes

[marsh swan]

Is smiley important

[vocal rose]

probably

[raw whale]

satellite > cloud 9 tbh

[vocal rose]

woah

[ancient gyro]

what

[white flint]

i mean that was my only close attempt to getting satelite tho

[vocal rose]

ive actually never heard that take before

[vagrant wagon]

Yes because i play five of a kind with face cards

[white flint]

i dont really have THAT high of economy

[vocal rose]

cloud 9>>rocket>>satellite

[marsh swan]

Rocket becomes meh in the mid game

[vocal rose]

satellite over c9 is crazy though

[raw whale]

nah rocket scales slow, it's only that good if you get it in like ante 1-3

[marsh swan]

Like ante 4-5

[royal bobcat]

Satellite over cloud nine is fucking mental

[ancient gyro]

I've had enough runs with satellite to overcome an "average" c9 payout but not vice versa

[raw whale]

c9 is kinda deck unfixing, satellite is pretty free and plays well with constellation

[vocal rose]

when are you going to do gsg

[quick cloak]

when the acorn is stupid as shit so u js play one hand and refix all ur joker

🤣🤣🤣

[ancient gyro]

satellite is not free

[quick cloak]

bro cudnt shuffle for shit im cryn

[marsh swan]

You don't have constellation every run

[vagrant wagon]

So do i take bp? 🫠

[white flint]

ngl erratic deck is so mid

[ebon maple]

Hi guy, I have a hand size of 3, can I do anything other than selling the stun man?

[vocal rose]

"deck unfixing"

and also

[quick cloak]

3...?

[royal bobcat]

Satellite isn't like bad (mostly because const exists) but c9 is just better golden joker and golden joker is better than satellite so like

[vocal rose]

you need to invest into satellite for it to work

it is NOT free

[neat ore]

Obelisk good?

[ebon maple]

Double ecto and stunt man

[white flint]

i'd rather play black deck than erratic 💔

[royal bobcat]

Is that even a question

[raw whale]

free in terms of drawbacks

[ancient gyro]

satellite requires you to lose money via micro transactions in order to scale your payout

[neat ore]

So no good?

[ancient gyro]

that's not how that works

[royal bobcat]

I think having to spend that much money for it to pay is a drawback in itself

[vocal rose]

yeah I dont know what that means

[royal bobcat]

No it's very good

[raw whale]

astronomer

[royal bobcat]

Ah yes I always get 2 specific uncommons in a run

[ancient gyro]

astronomer pays for itself in fewer payments/rounds

[royal bobcat]

[ancient gyro]

and still has an initial downpayment

[marsh swan]

Astronomer shouldnt cost $8 man

[ancient gyro]

i can understand it

[marsh swan]

It just doesnt get enough value

[ancient gyro]

what I don't understand is 8 dollar stencil

[raw whale]

OOG

do i take it

[vocal rose]

I think doubling down on this take by adding other jokers to bolster the value of it compared to singular joker

[royal bobcat]

Oh right, sorry.

Just get 3 specific uncommon jokers every time you get satellite, my bad.

[vocal rose]

for lack of better words cope

[marsh swan]

Buffoon and trading card

[raw whale]

i just don't like c9 tbh

[ancient gyro]

16 dollar investment 🗣️

[vocal rose]

thats okay

[royal bobcat]

That's totally fine

[raw whale]

c9 just has zero synergy in scoring department

[vocal rose]

I hate rebate (best joker in the game)

[marsh swan]

C9 is just an alternative to gold joker

[ebon maple]

Is there any way around the psychic?

[vocal rose]

but it IS the best joker in the game

[ancient gyro]

you don't like free money 🥀

[ebon maple]

Facts

[vocal rose]

play 5 cards

[vocal rose]

I mean

an econ joker

[ebon maple]

Hand size of 3 :(

[vocal rose]

is gonna give me econ

[marsh swan]

Huh?

[vocal rose]

sell stuntman?

that'll work

[ancient gyro]

no way

[ebon maple]

Yeah ik, just prolly wont score enough, though there was maybe an alternative

[vocal rose]

infuriating

[raw whale]

compare that to golden ticket, mime, oa6, rebate, etc.

[marsh swan]

Black deck got the abandoned treatment

[ancient gyro]

typical

[vocal rose]

none of those give scoring apart from mime

[ebon maple]

i dont have It sadly and yeah luchador caught me

[raw whale]

they synergize with scoring is the point

[ancient gyro]

three of those require a prerequisite condition

[cloud sinew]

not really

[vagrant wagon]

Should i sell The family?

[vocal rose]

they dont

[cloud sinew]

its a stretch to say econ is scoring

they dont directly contribute to scoring

[raw whale]

retriggers are scoring, oa6 is a gateway to more +20s and lucky cat plus bloodstone

[vocal rose]

mime isnt an econ joker, neither is oa6

[cloud sinew]

Oops is utility, not scoring

[ancient gyro]

also prerequisites

[cloud sinew]

it can assist scoring

[vocal rose]

hiker goes bye

[ancient gyro]

what a sad day

[raw whale]

All i'm saying is that c9 has no room for growth

[distant vault]

Ughhh

🙄

[ancient gyro]

that is not how c9 works

[marsh swan]

Is hiker the worst scaling chip joker

[vocal rose]

if you fundamentally understand how c9 works this is just wrong

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely does, you just make more 9s

[vocal rose]

yes

[raw whale]

Growth in terms of build

[cloud sinew]

c9 is a scaling golden joker for most runs

[ancient gyro]

its intended purpose is to scale with an initial floor as golden. a good bare bones econ generator

[cloud sinew]

This is incredibly vague

[vocal rose]

fuck

[distant vault]

We love poly skip

[vocal rose]

this was probably my way of winning

[ancient gyro]

ok

[cloud sinew]

blueprint c9 synergy lmao

[marsh swan]

Honestly not horrible

[sullen lintel]

Put friend on balatro and watched him drop rebate for scary face in real time

[marsh swan]

You couldve gottena perishable delayed gratification

[distant vault]

True but its bad

[ancient gyro]

its really funny how often I get to have runs discrediting other people's "questionable" opinions in the discussion

[raw whale]

I can't build around c9 as the core joker, if i take it i probably will be dumping it later, and then it feels bad to spend deckfixing on them just to abandon it later

[ancient gyro]

check my black deck run though

i might have more

[vocal rose]

I died

I scored 987

[ancient gyro]

oh

[distant vault]

I did still win tho

[vocal rose]

round 4 SUCKS

[marsh swan]

You don't need c9 to be a core joker

[vocal rose]

if I one tapped the first boss blind I would've lived

because acrobat was $1 away

[marsh swan]

Jolly joker is goated don't diss him

[ancient gyro]

:3

[cloud sinew]

rebate isnt a "build around" joker and is one you want to drop later, but its an INCREDIBLE joker.

[vocal rose]

and I had a 74x4 flush

[distant vault]

I prefer sly joker

[ancient gyro]

oh that will do it

[empty orbit]

so I just did hear the best take on the game for beginners ... skip blinds allot

[ancient gyro]

I prefer not dying

is that a hot take

[raw whale]

yeah but rebate benefits from any deckfixing instead of forcing you into a specific bad one

[cloud sinew]

$1 a round for every 9 isnt a bad direction for deckfixing...

[vocal rose]

I hope you realize the same deck fixing you do for c9 benefits what rebate is doing as well

[distant vault]

12.6k pairs

[empty orbit]

?

[raw whale]

I'm not saying c9 i objectively bad, i'm just saying that's why i don't enjoy doing it

[hollow folio]

hi

[ancient gyro]

so c9 just loses that benefit all of a sudden

make it make sense

[cloud sinew]

woah

like 50 away from me

[marsh swan]

Campfire dies

[hollow folio]

ts is tuff?

[distant vault]

Let's not go off track

[cloud sinew]

yes twin

[hollow folio]

yeah

i sold a fucking triboulet

[distant vault]

Good choice

I always do

[marsh swan]

Triboulet is a boring joker

[distant vault]

Trib ruins my day

[ancient gyro]

woah

[lunar zealot]

Triboulet is fine

[ancient gyro]

its

[distant vault]

Gimme yorick

[ancient gyro]

probably the most interactive legendary joker in a sense

[hollow folio]

flush player:

[distant vault]

Yorick or canio

[raw whale]

You're misunderstanding what i said, i meant that i can say build toward 5oak, flush 5, or even flush house and just take the rebate as a side piece. C9 in this case you can build towards, sure, but once you drop it you're left with a bunch of 9s you have no use for

[hollow folio]

yorick

[cloud sinew]

I wish trib wasnt the worst legendary :(

[empty orbit]

I mean except the joker unlock 🫡

[cloud sinew]

"No use for" you can build towards "of a kind" hands same as with rebate

[bitter schooner]

I gave up on vouchers and spec card. Couldnt find any so i sold perkeo and just grab mime 🗿just wanna make sure was this the right choice

[ancient gyro]

you're misunderstanding your own explanation of what benefits it yields from deck fixing when you compared it to rebate when it OBVIOUSLY HAS A BENEFIT

from inflating ranks

[raw whale]

there are no retriggers and no scoring jokers for it, literally your best bet is a goddamn odd todd

[wintry ice]

cyclical reasoning

[ancient gyro]

this conversation is fucking stupid

im gonna do a black deck run

[vocal rose]

hmmm

im two pairing right now

[distant vault]

I hate obelisk, its awesome!

[vocal rose]

it'll make it easier to two pair in the future

[lunar zealot]

Ello ello

[ancient gyro]

o

[vocal rose]

but I think I can live without the extra discard for now

idk if I should take though

[ancient gyro]

i would

[cloud sinew]

"No scoring jokers" specific to 9s besides todd, sure. that doesnt mean no jokers will work with your deckfixing.
also youre wrong about retriggers, theres always chad.

[ancient gyro]

if you're gonna use it for the next 3 rounds

[hollow folio]

man

[vocal rose]

rocket is at +3

[hollow folio]

fuck miss click

[vocal rose]

this might be a flash card angle

idk

[cloud sinew]

you can always take it and just not use it until its safe

[wintry ice]

it's the same as saying "why would you deckfix for wee? There's no reason to do so but it and fibbonacci"

[ancient gyro]

i guess 😐

[raw whale]

my point is that i don't like it because 9s feel kinda left out in that regard

[wintry ice]

and comparing any econ joker to rebate is unfair to the former

[ancient gyro]

fyi this was the initial statement in question

[raw whale]

well yeah

[ancient gyro]

fuck off

[vocal rose]

if it wasnt both i'd take it

[ancient gyro]

oh

[vocal rose]

buffoon is the way I feel

[ancient gyro]

what's in the buffoonery

yeah

[cloud sinew]

that was not clear at all, and you stated things that were about balance, not how fun it is or how much you like it

[vocal rose]

some weirdness

[raw whale]

thanks, a resaonable reaction to someone saying they don't like a card 👍

[vocal rose]

Im sorta regretting that eternal trading card a tiiiiny bit

[ancient gyro]

what a pile of feces

and bruhnt

[distant vault]

[deft sandal]

this seed is crazy, i just got a trib after I sold a yorick I got a few antes ago

[vocal rose]

eternal flash might've been my doom in all honesty

[wintry ice]

a reasonable reaction to someone moving goalposts when they feel that their stance is incorrect*

[distant vault]

The yorick disrespect

[ancient gyro]

liking something wasn't the initial statement in question. it was ignoring a clear function that a joker already has

[deft sandal]

I'm gonna sell the trib too lmao

[raw whale]

again, i'm trying to explain why it doesn't feel good

[distant vault]

Hell yeah

[raw whale]

and i never moved the goalpost, i was trying to formulate my point clearer

[ancient gyro]

and then when proven otherwise, they go into a more sentimental area of discussion to benefit their line of subjective thinking

[wintry ice]

saying that a card has no room for growth is no way equivalent to saying that you don't like using it

[ancient gyro]

which was what

[cloud sinew]

that was because you were being unreasonable and changed your position to "i dont like it", from "its not good" [not verbatim] when you couldnt justify your position

[ancient gyro]

you made like 5 of them

[vocal rose]

decisions

[ancient gyro]

let it be known this conversation started with satellite

[vocal rose]

I lost two pair levels from the arm

[wintry ice]

and you did so by saying something with a completely different meaning to the original claim?

[ancient gyro]

did you move goalposts yes or no

[vocal rose]

I will die without aces hitting likely

so im thinking burglar

[safe flower]

Wish that using a wraith had more scenarios where it was worth it, one of my favorite spectrals

[vocal rose]

over banana?

[ancient gyro]

probably

oh

prob not

yeah no

[cloud sinew]

I think wraith should be -$10 instead of setting your money to 0

[vocal rose]

that runner is so tempting

[cloud sinew]

Not really

[vocal rose]

but

I dont think I can live

[cloud sinew]

losing $25+ for a random rare is usually not worth

[vocal rose]

I have no chips other than scholar

minimal deck fixing

[ancient gyro]

this looks like inevitable death with a random high roll

[distant vault]

New boss, All jokers disabled until you play a straight flush

[tawdry rock]

this boss appears on every deck except checkered deck btw

[distant vault]

Great minds

[ancient gyro]

all your face cards are bottom decked

[fringe crest]

peter

[deft sandal]

great, now I can maybe go for naneinf

[cloud sinew]

there are times when wraith is worth, but i dont think it should be so detrimental

[fringe crest]

hi zoahl

[distant vault]

I take wraith when im already broke

[vocal rose]

yeah I think my big mistake was eternal flash card

lmfao

[distant vault]

Never if not

[vocal rose]

since I thought my econ and scoring would've been sorted out sooner rather than later

yeah im dead

[vocal rose]

hi

[raw whale]

that 9s don't have synergy with most of the jokers, take deckfixing power to be better than golden joker, and are pretty hard to pivot out of. There are just much better cards to build toward even speculatively so most of the time i end up ignoring c9.

[ancient gyro]

how did I get here

[fervent quarry]

Fiiiinally!

[wintry ice]

you need to recognize that rank synergies don't matter that much

[raw whale]

yeah but they feel good

[wintry ice]

again, nothing from this statement is opinionated

[cloud sinew]

ignoring c9 when you dont already have good econ / more than just interest means youre under utilising it

[shell dagger]

There’s already a reason to build into 9s (or any specific rank) and that’s to enable 4oak

[ancient gyro]

ranks in the game mean fuck all in the macro scale of things. its main benefit is the scaling econ you get to the point of it being obtainable in any stickered condition.

which is a good thing

[vocal rose]

I hate when I get a 296 FLUSH

[raw whale]

and because it's uncommon it's fairly rare to not have decent econ by the time you see it

[vocal rose]

I could've opened this shit

[fervent quarry]

Yeah, so I've heard. It was pain for me to beat blue stake. Not sure if this is universal if I did something wrong strategy wise.

[vocal rose]

oh my lord

[ancient gyro]

not needing to rely on other jigsaw puzzles is better than needing to

[cloud sinew]

Rarity does not matter here*

[vocal rose]

and the boss blind is the hook

[shell dagger]

It would’ve had 4 eternal rental

[cloud sinew]

Its actually a benefit for c9 because of baseball

[deft sandal]

almost fucked the run

[prime monolith]

wa

[ancient gyro]

I didn't forget about the satellite conversation where you valued it above c9

[raw whale]

well yeah

[prime monolith]

what do u guys rate balatro

[ancient gyro]

15

[vocal rose]

like a strong 8

or 9

[shell dagger]

i out of 16i

[raw whale]

in my opinion satellite feels better because you don't spend deckfixing on it

[prime monolith]

whats ur fav card chat

[vocal rose]

this wins

[ancient gyro]

wtf

[vocal rose]

pretty sure its worth winning

[ancient gyro]

the second one

[prime monolith]

fucking amoungus

[fervent quarry]

Like, if blue stake is theoretically always beatable with perfect strategy. The thing too is that black stake didn't feel nearly as tough. That missing discard really did something

[raw whale]

i dislike c9 specifically because of deckfixing

[cloud sinew]

it starts at 0 and youre rarely taking more than a few unique planets before taking satellite

[prime monolith]

nice

[shell dagger]

is deckfixing really something you spend

seems to me like it’s something you only benefit from

having more of any rank is nearly always good

[raw whale]

you get limited tarots

[shell dagger]

without c9

[ancient gyro]

I've never had a run that ended with an unfixed deck before

[cloud sinew]

what? you get limited planets too by this same argument.

[ancient gyro]

its obvious where the personal bias comes from

[shell dagger]

might as well use them on money AND deckfixing then

[raw whale]

yeah but they don't interfere with each other

[cloud sinew]

what do you mean "interfere with each other"

[prime monolith]

fuck is jokerpoker

[ancient gyro]

one is directly more econ hungry for a more delayed payout

[vocal rose]

oh my fucking god

[rich mauve]

it's balala

[cloud sinew]

very old balatro name

[ancient gyro]

balatro in alpha testing

[cloud sinew]

K, 10, 9, 3 and hope you draw a flush

[prime monolith]

ah

[cloud sinew]

Joker Poker, it was never balala

[wintry ice]

yeah it's an uncommon so it's baseball synergy on top of everything

!

[cloud sinew]

Oh that was balala i think

[deft sandal]

WTFFFF, THIRD SOUL THIS RUN

[vocal rose]

holy

[cloud sinew]

LETS GOOOOO

I helped!!!

[shell dagger]

sqoare

[deft sandal]

I SOLD YORICK AND TRIB, AND A THIRD SOUL APPEARED

[marsh swan]

I swear this game wants me to feel like such a loser

Like holy crap

[wintry ice]

as in?

[deft sandal]

RICK IS BACK AGAIN

[ancient gyro]

elaborate

[marsh swan]

I'm just so baffled by how much this game is taunting me

[ancient gyro]

wow I died

[cloud sinew]

thats black deck for you

[raw whale]

ok honestly moving on

[ancient gyro]

however could that have happened

[deft sandal]

keeping it for the temperance value, wait for a better joker then sell it

[ancient gyro]

oh

[cloud sinew]

4 people asked you to elaborate, you said nothing, so we're moving on now ig /s

[vocal rose]

oh I have lab in 20 minutes

I forgot

[cloud sinew]

gl

[ancient gyro]

i love self awareness

[vocal rose]

balator moment

[ancient gyro]

don't forget to finish your prelab

[shell dagger]

don’t forget your lab in 19 minutes

[vocal rose]

thats done

[ancient gyro]

don't forget your goggles

[raw whale]

planet cards you can buy & use immediately and planet packs help with diversity, only pressing matter is the money

[vocal rose]

they're in my locker with my coat

[ancient gyro]

and your lab setup routine

[shell dagger]

im deliberately sleeping in instead of going to my wendeaday lab

can’t wait

[vocal rose]

this is actually a rough choice

[wintry ice]

don't forget your lab in 19 minutes

[vocal rose]

I have paint brush in the voucher waiting

[ancient gyro]

only pressing matter happens to be the most consistently impactful decision maker of the game

[vocal rose]

deck fixing or nonstickered joker

[wintry ice]

what does that change about it being a much lower reward?

[vocal rose]

im mainly playing two pairs

[ancient gyro]

what am I looking at here

um

[vocal rose]

I think the deck fixing would benefit me more

[wintry ice]

1 strength is +2$ and a better time setting up 4oak

[raw whale]

yooo synergy

[wintry ice]

1 death is +1$, whatever enhancement was on the 9, and an easier time setting up 4oak

[ancient gyro]

moving goalposts pt3

[wintry ice]

you can also look for 9s in standard packs

[raw whale]

ok this is what i get lmao

[ancient gyro]

i go judgment looking at that lineup

[earnest pelican]

Riff Raff is great

[vocal rose]

my reward

[wintry ice]

buying and using a planet for sattelite is +1$ and scaling on a hand you'll most likely never use

[ancient gyro]

well

[ancient gyro]

i guess

[deft sandal]

I just sold the rick for a reserved parking

[ancient gyro]

👅

[earnest pelican]

mmmmm yummy planets

[vocal rose]

holy fuck

[cloud sinew]

if the pressing issue is money then satellite is worse than c9.
starting at $0 and costing ~$3+ per $1 a round, with a ceiling of $9/$12 vs
starting at $4 and costing ~$3+ per $1+ a round, with no ceiling

[wintry ice]

alongside that, sattelite's growth is much more limited than on the joker you already claimed to be limited in growth

[ancient gyro]

what @raw whale thinks the value will end up being like

[earnest pelican]

new run and my first joker is a negative Burglar wtf that's amazing

Grimbo and Square where you at

[vocal rose]

I have lab in 14 minutes

[cloud sinew]

satellite starting at $2 would fix it imo

[wintry ice]

you have lab in 13 minutes

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[earnest pelican]

Just make it so it doesn't appear in shop until you level 2+ planets by default, a la stone joker and golden ticket etc.

[vocal rose]

FUCK

okay no more balator

[wintry ice]

you have lab in 12 minutes.

[cloud sinew]

not appearing until youve used 1 feels more intuitive

[ancient gyro]

well I'm more interested in the speculative play aspect of it for how engaging it is when you plan on keeping it

[earnest pelican]

Probably

[deft sandal]

W reminder

[ancient gyro]

or have it scale based on unique poker hands above lvl 1 over unique planets used

[marsh swan]

I wanna do horrific things to myself.

[vocal rose]

22 dollars

[ancient gyro]

11 minutes

[wintry ice]

honestly i don't think making it overpowered with black hole and mediocre otherwise would change things

[cloud sinew]

per planet used would require a nerf to the scaling i think

[marsh swan]

Thats why i hate this

[earnest pelican]

I still wish Throwback scaled based on the amount of skip tags used, not skips themselves. It wouldn't make it really powerful, but it would help it slightly and also make it pretty good on Anaglyph.

[marsh swan]

You have to make such unoptimised plays to survive

[ancient gyro]

unique planets I meant

[cloud sinew]

it would hardly make a difference besides with double tags from cola and skipping anyway

[earnest pelican]

Well yeah, but that's the point

it still slightly helps it

lots of people like to skip or sell sodas

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt change it being a bad joker though

[ancient gyro]

as in have it count from burnt, space, orbital, black hole, etc

[cloud sinew]

theres just a situation its slightly better

[cloud sinew]

I would rather it be per planet used than by levels

[ancient gyro]

instead of what it currently is atm to have it stand out a little more for its niche of econ

[wintry ice]

throwback already suffers from there being no real reason to skip blinds

[earnest pelican]

Jokers are allowed to be bad, I just think the way it's implemented is a bit clunky and unintuitive anyways tbh. It's based on continuing a run but gives you something for skipping blinds.

and it should be a bit better

[ancient gyro]

sorry let me rephrase that sentence

[cloud sinew]

how does that relate to your suggestion though

they dont seem related at all

[earnest pelican]

They're not but it still at least makes it worth taking. It's arguably the most useless joker for a standard gold stake run because unless I use a soda, I never get skip tags.

or an ante 1 investment

[cloud sinew]

showman:

[ancient gyro]

unique poker hands above lvl 1

[cloud sinew]

what

[cloud sinew]

thats MORE confusing

[raw whale]

yall is first round coupon tag a good skip

[shell dagger]

it’s not the worst

[vocal rose]

no

[cloud sinew]

not on gold stake

[rotund tapir]

had a great run. kinda sad the idol landed on the 3 of clubs (my blue seals i forgot to remove)

[ancient gyro]

not really

[deft sandal]

No

[shell dagger]

less value than investment so not worth taking

[deft sandal]

not even yellow deck

[wintry ice]

too erratic

[vestal copper]

satellite is not that bad

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[raw whale]

what's the ceiling then? black stake?

[vestal copper]

the only thing that is needed is rebate nerf ngl

[ancient gyro]

it just has its

quirks

[vestal copper]

make rebate give 3$ per discarded card ngl

[wintry ice]

it's around 20$ or less of random value instead of being 25$ that you can spend on whateber you want

[vestal copper]

why does it give more than fucking todo list

[raw whale]

ok we kinda ball actually

[cloud sinew]

you dont think idol needs to be reworked? matador? blue stake? etc

[ancient gyro]

mostly gold

[vestal copper]

i meant for econ jokers

forgor about mata

[ancient gyro]

since there is a failure rate

[vestal copper]

blue is fine idfk

[wintry ice]

honestly +2 per discarded card might be balanced after the blue stake rework

[ancient gyro]

i was fine with 3

[vocal rose]

still the best econ joker

[shell dagger]

even if it would I doubt it would happen

[deft sandal]

take temperance and get $0 first

[cloud sinew]

thunk has plans to nerf it, it just might not make it into 1.1.
he suggested $3 but would need to be playtested

[vocal rose]

actually midas might be better

[raw whale]

what am i doing in this situation? death a face? devil? wheel?

[tender quarry]

$3 was playtested and it was strong 🙂

[vestal copper]

dont wheel

[shell dagger]

devil

[cloud sinew]

how do you know

[ancient gyro]

oh no it might be $2 🥀

[shell dagger]

$1 per discarded card

[raw whale]

but my potential +$1 on temperance ;-;

[vestal copper]

buff wheel

[deft sandal]

how about lose $1 per discarded card

[shell dagger]

my nickname in hs

[vestal copper]

make it a chance to apply negative 🧌

[tender quarry]

But seriously it does depend on what you want to do, it’s a bit weaker if it’s significantly harder to make the hands you want

[tender quarry]

Just a joke on the fact it was $3 for the first 4 months before 1.0.1 and then received a totally unneeded buff

[signal brook]

I feel like ragebaiting the balatro community again

[cloud sinew]

ragebaiting is cringe, you should not do that.

[ancient gyro]

take note if rebate is in a meta where 5 card poker hands are dominant, how often would you go out of your way to find the said rank for what we presume as less money per card discarded

[signal brook]

Ragebaiting is fun especially when they do it back

[ancient gyro]

rule 10