🕹・game-discussion

[wintry ice]

i mean they are statistically harder than most decks

[frank grove]

green is so boring to run

[dapper zenith]

I love rough gem

I wish it was 2 bucks though

[wintry ice]

like green has very diminishing returns with how the game is played and reducing your joker slots makes eternals much more commital

[glossy mortar]

At what point is “base game” done then. Gold stake? I’ve done almost every single deck up to black stake now. At least the decks I’ve unlocked.

[frank grove]

unlocking all the jokers first is a good start

[wintry ice]

i'd say getting to like purple before doing jokerless is a good idea too

[frank grove]

yeah

[dapper zenith]

this is getting goofy now

[hybrid tendon]

I'd say orange stake lmao

[wintry ice]

unlocking jokers is the first thing you should do imo

[manic talon]

Considering challenge are very easy until the last 3, i would even say black stake

[frank grove]

yeah

cruelty is kinda just fine

[hybrid tendon]

Getting every deck unlocked and trying them all at least

[frank grove]

yeah

that makes sense

[tropic widget]

As in unlocking every joker and doing gold stake

[wintry ice]

i did all challenge decks after getting c+ or c++ i think

i just enjoyed the base game more

[frank grove]

real

[dapper zenith]

Id say base game is beating everything ong old stake once no

[tropic widget]

Ngl I just fucked around on white stake a bunch before I locked in

I was getting Es before I even got to gold stake lmao

[dapper zenith]

guess everyone has their way

[cyan sparrow]

my favorite joker is trading card joker he is cool

[dapper zenith]

my current 'running' of the game

is getting up to orange stake on everythiung

then gonna do as many gold stakes back to back

[hybrid tendon]

I got my first naneinf while I was still doing blue stakes lol

[manic talon]

Got C+ before doing the challenge, not a good idea, way too easy, even the last 3 is like, 1 or 2 tries

[dapper zenith]

No... don't do this to me...

I don't want to let go of rough gem ;w;

[wintry ice]

i tried for naneinf after doing c++

[tropic widget]

Invisible? Bro thinks he's solid snake

[wintry ice]

i got too little steel

[tropic widget]

Same I got c++ then I got naneinf

[dapper zenith]

I have to risk it

[tropic widget]

With a nat negative brainstorm too

[wintry ice]

and just didn't bother with it anymore because endless sucks

[dapper zenith]

im destroying idamond joker

[manic talon]

Same, but i just do the perkeo naneinf cuz its faster

[tropic widget]

Endless sucks on any stake but white imo

[tropic widget]

I meant unseeded

[manic talon]

Burglar naneinf is mind-numbingly slow

[manic talon]

Well yea, its unseeded

[dapper zenith]

nvm its not risky

[tropic widget]

Ngl my first naneinf was on mobile, on plasma, with perkeo cryptid

[zealous zinc]

perkeoless naneinf unseeded tho?

[manic talon]

I used brainstorm to get a perkeo start, because the alternative is manually holding R anyway

[tropic widget]

I dont think I need 80+ kings in my hand to naneinf on plasma...

[zealous zinc]

its been a long time

i dont remember the numbers on plasma lwk

[dapper zenith]

????????

this is my craziest pre ante 8 run ever

[zealous zinc]

i found this fun but would never do it again

[dapper zenith]

probaly not literally itys just SILLY

[zealous zinc]

looks inside ahh run

[dapper zenith]

I don't even know what to do here lol

[tropic widget]

I think its like 30-40 something kings on plasma, depending on your setup

[dapper zenith]

I think I have to stop memeing and let go of rough gem...

[zealous zinc]

probably drop constellation???

[dapper zenith]

goodbye dear friend

[manic talon]

Anything that isnt selling photochad wins

[zealous zinc]

it depends what constellation is at

[tropic widget]

Kill the gem for a business card its better

[brittle kernel]

How he has this cool looking cards?

[dapper zenith]

cosnt is uhhh

x3.2

ante 6

[manic talon]

Honestly selling one of the photo or chad would still win

[dapper zenith]

I really wanted to take rough gem to the end but

[zealous zinc]

i mena

[wintry ice]

go to options and deck costumisation

[zealous zinc]

id drop const

im negl

[brittle kernel]

And then

[zealous zinc]

if ur fixed for diamonds

[tropic widget]

You can change what your playing cards look like in collection or settings

[grizzled yew]

Choose a deck to use for each suit

There’s a lot

[wintry ice]

that's where the card skins are

[dapper zenith]

I just don't see where rough gem is better than any of these options haha

[grizzled yew]

I think it’s 5 for each suit

[dapper zenith]

even if im all diamonds

[tropic widget]

Also does anyone actually not use high contrast cards

[zealous zinc]

money for rerolls + hanging chad + blueprint

[grizzled yew]

I don’t use em

[tropic widget]

Ew

[grizzled yew]

Why should I

[tropic widget]

They look cooler

[grizzled yew]

I know what everything is

[dapper zenith]

Hmmmziesss

[brittle kernel]

I don't see this type of cards

[zealous zinc]

u can just farm 5 dollars for every non winning hand with a high card if ur fixed for diamonds at minimum

[manic talon]

For the funny colors go to settings>game>and enable high contrast cards

[wintry ice]

for me it just looks better

[zealous zinc]

if ur whole deck is diamonds somehow its probably more

[dapper zenith]

faaaa

my brain cant handel teh concept of selling const

but it makes sense

[severe umbra]

What is the optimal copy?

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[wintry ice]

1 on each

[zealous zinc]

idk like constellation is just 3.2x, a photo copy is prolly getting u far more than 3.2x is anyways

[manic talon]

Technically i dont even need to use high contrast card cuz theres only 2 suits anyway

[dapper zenith]

beautiful

[zealous zinc]

and rough gem can get you more money for better jokers

[severe umbra]

I have almost exclusively Red Seal Steel Kings, does that change it?

[brittle kernel]

Oh ye ty

[grizzled yew]

What

[serene forge]

ewwww

[tropic widget]

If its red seal steel then its both on baron

[serene forge]

get it off my screen

[wintry ice]

no

[dapper zenith]

DON'T TALK ABOUT ROUGH GEM LIKE THAT

[serene forge]

no rough gem is good

I was talking about photo

[grizzled yew]

But that’s good

[zealous zinc]

photo is awesome

idiot..

[tropic widget]

Wait actually it'd be the same score mb

[manic talon]

They dont understand context

[wintry ice]

photochad is good

photo by itself is eh

[dapper zenith]

9 millie

ante 6

[zealous zinc]

imagine not taking a naked photo

wait

pause

[wintry ice]

rough gem is decent

[tropic widget]

Chad by itself is goated

[wintry ice]

erm

[serene forge]

checkered bloodstone user really tryna lecture me smh my head

[grizzled yew]

Speed Up

[zealous zinc]

you know what i meant

[serene forge]

I look like shit

[zealous zinc]

a photo on its own

oml

[dapper zenith]

.....

[grizzled yew]

What do you look like

[zealous zinc]

what are we ... ing

[dapper zenith]

ECTOOOO PLEEEEEASE

[sturdy jackal]

The most funny sceenshot i have of the game

[dapper zenith]

ECTOOOO I NEEEEED YOUUUUU

[serene forge]

sell photo get burned

[wintry ice]

i'd only take it if i was either completely directionless or if most of my scoring came from planets

[tropic widget]

You could do a very funny high card buils

[dapper zenith]

Photo is eternal

[zealous zinc]

joke

[serene forge]

I don't care sell it

[dapper zenith]

okay

[wintry ice]

rough gem might have to go

[serene forge]

not who I want to be

[dapper zenith]

I looove using burn to do high card builds

high card is soooo satisfying

[grizzled yew]

Hornet?

[wintry ice]

it with bp and chad is a lot of money

[manic talon]

ad hominem ass argument

[wintry ice]

actually it depends on if your hand is easy to draw

[serene forge]

well no but I wouldn't mind looking like that

[dapper zenith]

eh Ill just take the stuck unlock and stop memeing

I want to take rough gem to the end

[tropic widget]

Hornet irl would probably look weird

[serene forge]

talking like you didn't start with ad hominem

[grizzled yew]

Humanity isn’t advanced enough to make you hornet
Get vrchat I guess

[stark karma]

I will never EVER tolerate fortune teller slander

[serene forge]

vagabond

[zealous zinc]

roffle when he sees fortune teller

[grizzled yew]

Banan

[tropic widget]

Fortune teller is nothing without vagabond

And you know it

[serene forge]

fortune teller is so fucking bad when you don't have the best tarot gen in the game yknow

[stark karma]

Fortune teller is amazing even without vagabond

[grizzled yew]

It’s good though

[serene forge]

it's like

[grizzled yew]

What’s vagabond do I forgor

[serene forge]

bottom 3 mult scaling probably

[wintry ice]

fortune teller is mediocre at best without vagabond or purple seals

[manic talon]

Mfw photo is good in context then someone say its not 🤯

[stark karma]

Or purple seals??

Lmaoooooo

[zealous zinc]

mult scalers that dont benefit from playing pairs = garbage and i hate them

[stark karma]

Constellation is soooo bad without planets dude

[tropic widget]

I think egg and swash are better than vagabond ngl

[manic talon]

Atleast fortune teller is retroactive, thats something

[grizzled yew]

Is it weird I just don’t like diamond at all
Not just the look of diamond but just diamond in general

[serene forge]

what

those aren't comparable at all

[grizzled yew]

[wintry ice]

well planet packs are very easy to come across

[tropic widget]

Wait I meant fortune teller

[stark karma]

Purple seals are literally viral which give fortune teller almost exponential scaling

[zealous zinc]

i think they meant vagabond + fortune

[serene forge]

it also can get perishable

[wintry ice]

idk where the equivalence comes from

[zealous zinc]

nvm

they meant fortune only

[frozen swan]

BRO

[serene forge]

I see

[zealous zinc]

everything does

[serene forge]

punished for using bloodstone

[wintry ice]

you still need to draw them and get stuff to copy them

[serene forge]

non retroactive scalers can't

for good reason

[wintry ice]

doing that much isn't possible early on

[zealous zinc]

oh yea

[serene forge]

that's one part of why supernova is worse than other scalers

[zealous zinc]

im actually being a cow rn

mb

[wintry ice]

which is why the other scaling mult jokers are better

they help you early on

[serene forge]

moo

[zealous zinc]

or horse

[tropic widget]

Also I cant use my goat obelisk with supernova

[zealous zinc]

yea

[serene forge]

yea

[zealous zinc]

do you guys take public transit or use uncreative colors

[tropic widget]

What

[serene forge]

what

[wintry ice]

what

[potent tree]

what

[lament hornet]

what

[tropic widget]

Okay so the first on is bus...

[zealous zinc]

ride the bus or green joker 🙄

[grizzled yew]

what

[tropic widget]

Oh dhmis reference

[wintry ice]

bus has less of a cost

[serene forge]

wtf is uncreative color

[grizzled yew]

Green

[zealous zinc]

green is not a creative color

[frozen swan]

...

[wintry ice]

green joker vs bus

[potent tree]

green is not uncreative

[serene forge]

anyway bus is better

[manic talon]

Oh now i get it, i explode

[tropic widget]

Take the bus

[zealous zinc]

it is uncreative

smh

[serene forge]

95% of the time

[tropic widget]

Bus is better you can discard

[serene forge]

discards are better than faces

[zealous zinc]

its close though

the issue of rtb is that if u dont have discards and u have a face in hand

it is not easy to remove it

[serene forge]

faces aren't useful for pairs unless midas (sad) or parking (you're not playing the faces so whatever)

[tropic widget]

Simply beat your face cards to death with hammers

[zealous zinc]

like it can be but u might be dealing with -1 hand size for a few hands

it ends up working out cause pair lobotomy though

so i prefer it

[serene forge]

ideally you would not be in that situation to begin with

[zealous zinc]

but it makes me sad cause i hate pairs

[serene forge]

by playing throwaway cards

[dapper zenith]

Guys do I sell chad or blueprint please send help quickly

[serene forge]

this does become tougher if you use burger though

[manic talon]

Hold R

[serene forge]

photo

[wintry ice]

bus only cares if thebface card is scored

[zealous zinc]

im aware

[tropic widget]

Then just play a pair

[stark karma]

Btw I’m attempting 100% from a fresh file while win streaking

[zealous zinc]

sell everything and play high cards

[wintry ice]

it's another case where playing before discarding is optimal

anyways i'm going to bed it's almost 4

[tropic widget]

If you're actively avoiding face cards you shouldnt have a hand full of them

[dapper zenith]

after taking all your advice into consideration things have worked out!

[zealous zinc]

im gonna watch drspectreds video on balancing and work a bit on my balance mod

brb

[wary zodiac]

trying to force baron mime on plasma, natural negative trib from a spectral?? 😭

no bp brainstorm as far as i can see

and plant is like

[dapper zenith]

sounds like its forciong you

[tropic widget]

Could've been a perkeo too

[wary zodiac]

ante 13

[wary zodiac]

yeah

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[wary zodiac]

i didn't get a picture but i did pivot to baron with this

[glad viper]

i hate shrimp

the food

[wary zodiac]

i think this build was more fun though

[tropic widget]

Ngl shoot the moon is better than baron imo

[wary zodiac]

ante 8? yes

endless? fuck no

[tropic widget]

Im more talking about winning runs

It is good for setting up baron though

[wary zodiac]

and shoot the moon is awesome for that

!!

i kinda wanna try shoot the moon, raised fist, mime

it would be a pretty fun little build

[sacred pike]

pulled Yorick...only need 2 rounds to activate...boss is 0 discards...lose...

[grizzled yew]

How do you all just remember what every joker does
There’s at least 11

[wary zodiac]

sobbing

[manic talon]

If you have STM you dont really need raised fist or vice versa

[tropic widget]

I love that you can drag the scoring card for raised fist to the left and it scores before the steel

[manic talon]

Common yorick L

[frank grove]

Uhhh a lot of hours playing and their names are fairly unique bar some of the hand specific commons

[wary zodiac]

about 100 hours of gameplay did it for me

[zealous zinc]

alright time to make the empress give 5 mult instead of 4 mult

[frank grove]

Like i know droll is the chips flush one but i dont know what the mult flush one is

oh

[tropic widget]

This dude would be fucked if he ever played tboi

[frank grove]

droll is the mult one 😭

[grizzled yew]

What’s that

[tropic widget]

The binding of isaax

Isaac*

[grizzled yew]

Oh definitely

[wary zodiac]

i would've never thought about it had i not seen it in a video a few weeks ago, but yeah, the extra control it gives you over the build is awesome :3

[tropic widget]

I some how remember what every item does even though theres over 700

[manic talon]

Crafty's the chips

[frank grove]

yeah

[wary zodiac]

i think there's also tech with raised fist where you can like

move your lowest ranked card to the left

🥹

[grizzled yew]

Play rock paper scissors
Trust

[tropic widget]

Yeah thats what im talking about lol

[wary zodiac]

and have it score before steel

[frank grove]

yeah

[wary zodiac]

i thouvht you were talking about shoot the moon

i might be stupid

❤️

[frank grove]

its the same for shoot the moon

[wary zodiac]

yeah

[frank grove]

card order is so hard to understand early on in this game

but it like eventually sticks and then its like oh yeah

[wary zodiac]

localthunk should add more in hand scoring and utility effects in the next update

💥

[tropic widget]

I think they should make it more clear in the tutorial that everything scores left to right

So your xmult should be after your +mult

[dapper zenith]

Localthunk needs limbus company collab

[frank grove]

i think a joker that if you play a 5 card hand it draws 3 cards or something from your deck before scoring to make blue seals or steel more viable with 5 card hands would be SO NICE

[distant thunder]

[dapper zenith]

card that makes you depressed

[grizzled yew]

Isn’t dbd and clover pit collabs enough

[tropic widget]

Blue seals are already over powered though

[frank grove]

yeah but not with like straights

[tropic widget]

I'd still argue they are

[frank grove]

oh yeah

[tropic widget]

Since you get way more scaling leveling straight than like high card

[frank grove]

but like its fine if they're strong

[manic talon]

If this happens there should be a 3rd sorting options where the new cards get put on the rightmost instead of shuffling your hand everytime, because its annoying to reorder your cards everytime you play a hand

[frank grove]

but it would be nice if they were stronger for those other hands that are harder to use

[tropic widget]

I wont be surprised if they're nerfed some how lmao

[vestal copper]

thunk should nerf photochad next update

unluckily this wont happen

[glossy mortar]

Who said to do ghost deck blue stake?!?

[grizzled yew]

What is that

[serene forge]

blue seals only work with straights because saturn is super strong

[frank grove]

yeah

[vestal copper]

photograph+hanging chad combo

[frank grove]

other 5 card hands are even worse than straights

[vestal copper]

gives a lot of xmult

[frank grove]

for planet scaling

[serene forge]

blue seals are really weak for like flush because they're already nerfed because of a big hand and jupiter sucks

[frank grove]

yeah

[edgy whale]

how can I maximize the potential of ceremonial dagger? pls somebody help me...

[zealous zinc]

iirc its 3x better than flush scaling

[zealous zinc]

saturn, that is

[glossy mortar]

YOU

[serene forge]

2x

[wintry ice]

it"s odd how both things that contribute to pair's dominance are blue

[serene forge]

30/3 vs 15/2

[glossy mortar]

YOU ARE A LEGEND

[wintry ice]

blue seal and blue stake

[grizzled yew]

Get jokers you don’t want for the slaughter

[glossy mortar]

I DID IT!!!

[frank grove]

yeah

[grizzled yew]

your did it✨

[zealous zinc]

isnt that 3x

[tropic widget]

See ghost deck is goated

[serene forge]

chips are most important part of a planet

[zealous zinc]

15*2 = 30, and 2*1.5 =3

[zealous zinc]

its still 3x

better

though

[idle kernel]

spectral

[zealous zinc]

2*1.5=3

[serene forge]

that's not what people mean by that

[edgy whale]

can't it used be as additive joker first then multiplied by any other multiplicative joker?

[vestal copper]

ghost is very powerful

[zealous zinc]

ive always said it this way idk man

[tropic widget]

Mmm ghost deck hologram my beloved

[glossy mortar]

I got both an clone and a chromatic at the very start in the shop. Held it until after the first boss when i found a throwback. Throwback i usually hate but i realized that this was my one and only shot to finally do it. The speedrun!

[zealous zinc]

3x better just makes sense

[grizzled yew]

It kills jokers and benefits from murder
This is all you need to know

[serene forge]

nobody says jupiter is 2x better than mercury because it has 2 mult instead of 1

[frank grove]

yeah

[vestal copper]

my next gold stake will be anaglyph

[glossy mortar]

I then found a blueprint right at the end and used it to ensure a win.

[vestal copper]

will it be silly

[zealous zinc]

they dont because they care about the chips too

its chips and mult that scale

[tropic widget]

Take the negative tag always.

[glossy mortar]

That was insane. Skipping every single round after that was terrifying.

[zealous zinc]

and overall the saturn planet is scaling 3x better

[vestal copper]

checks out

[serene forge]

I mean it doesn't really matter

[zealous zinc]

yea

[serene forge]

tldr saturn good jupiter trash

[zealous zinc]

point is that saturn is much better than flush

[vestal copper]

either investment tags rare tags or negatives will be insane

[frank grove]

yeah

[tropic widget]

Ohhh did you have throwback?

[edgy whale]

Yeah straight poker scales much greater

[vestal copper]

using throwback is throwing

hot take

[tropic widget]

Not for speedruns

[wintry ice]

i mean i would say that straight scaling are 3x better than flush because it's one of the like 3 hands that can be used without a +mult joker of some kind

[frank grove]

not hot take at all

[vast badge]

insane riff raff pull

[tropic widget]

Also depends on the skip

[grizzled yew]

[vestal copper]

flush is just the easy option

[tropic widget]

Straight flush >

[glossy mortar]

Yeah lol. I’ve never really used it because it sucks. But getting it that early when i was holding those specific spectral cards was a match made in heaven for finally doing the speed challenge.

[zealous zinc]

another way to look at it this way

[grizzled yew]

Hard option

[glossy mortar]

It also unlocked me 4 tags I’ve never got before xD

[zealous zinc]

is that 15*2 = 30, and 30*3=90

[tropic widget]

But the funny option

[zealous zinc]

and 90 is clearly 3x bigger than 30

[grizzled yew]

How is it funny

[tropic widget]

Because

[frank grove]

straight flushes are just fun weird hands that dont get played that much

[wintry ice]

it's funny because it's bad

they're hard to make work so it feels good to make them work

[grizzled yew]

It’s not weird tho

[tropic widget]

I love a good straight flush build on checkered deck

[grizzled yew]

If it’s funny cuz it’s weird flush five is a comedy

[frank grove]

with wilds getting buffed maybe in the future straight flushes will be less horrible ... but i doubt that

[tropic widget]

Literal hardest hand to hit in the entire game, it is a weird hand to go for

[frank grove]

its funny because its so much worse than flush five

which makes it weird to go for

[grizzled yew]

Nuh uh

[zealous zinc]

you gottem

YALL WHERE THE FUCK DOES THE GAME CALCULATE EMPRESS MULT

I JUST WANT EMPRESS TO GIVE 5 MULT

PLEASE

[tropic widget]

Idk

[grizzled yew]

What’s empress do

[vast badge]

there's no way im fumbling this run fr

[edgy whale]

do u guys know straight flushes can be made with this joker also? it's sort of different,
straight + flush runs individually counted...

[frank grove]

yeah

[grizzled yew]

That is unnatural and wrong

[wintry ice]

mult card

it's redundant by ante 4 usually

[tropic widget]

You can also play pairs in a flush with 4 fingers which is funny

[peak plinth]

Perkeo blueprint goes crazyyyy

[zealous zinc]

the humble death card

[frank grove]

you can make straight flushes with 4 fingies and shortcut and smeared but thats why its bad, it requires a lot of deck fixing and if you have enough you might as well do flush five anyway, or you can just play pairs and not waste joker slots 😭

[grizzled yew]

Ohhh
I thought you were talking about jokers mb

[tropic widget]

What

[edgy whale]

not wrong, game files read this hand as straight + flush individually, both the requirements checks,

ignoring the overlapping fact of normal straight flush

[tropic widget]

Depends if you get stuff that synergises with it

[grizzled yew]

Morally

[tropic widget]

I've done a lot of runner bloodstone runs before

Very fun but also terrifying

[frank grove]

yeah

[grizzled yew]

Do y’all think flush house or flush five is harder to get

[tropic widget]

Flush five

[vestal copper]

flush house

[frank grove]

flush five

flush house just requires one suit changer

[frank grove]

yeah, its not impossible to do just worse than kinda anything else right now

[edgy whale]

bruh

[wintry ice]

well 5oak is harder to get than full house

so

[grizzled yew]

Ok so checking further
Four fingers makes secret hands way easier to get

[frank grove]

slightly?

not 5oak it doesnt do anything there

but flush house and flush five can be made with only 4 of the same suit instead of 5

[heavy heron]

wait a minute

with 4 fingers

if you have 4 cards same suit

it’s a flush five?

not a 4oak?

[frank grove]

no

its a 4oak

[heavy heron]

mmm

[frank grove]

if you have one more not of the same suit

then its a flush five

[heavy heron]

i see

[tropic widget]

Pants should scale with 4oak

[vestal copper]

true

[wintry ice]

the game defines two pairs as a hand with 2 distinct pairs

[tropic widget]

There is technically a 2 pair in there

[zealous zinc]

i hate modding this game

[wintry ice]

and it also wouldn't make a difference

[frank grove]

yeah

[zealous zinc]

its a balance mod to implement the ideas from this video

[edgy whale]

how can I maximize the output of square joker? I can't use it tho im hearing it's considered meta now....

[tropic widget]

Balatro mod probably

[zealous zinc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA_DiPpJkX8

[frank grove]

is there a way for you to count the times a card with empress is triggered and then just add that number on as kinda sudo making it 5 instead of 4?

[zealous zinc]

id like to make this a mod and see if the changes really help

ok

[tropic widget]

You gonna stop him lmao?

[grizzled yew]

If royal flush had a planet card what would it be

[zealous zinc]

no

?

my pc is dying randomly

[surreal spruce]

No there isn’t

[frank grove]

neptune²

[vestal copper]

neptune 2

[tropic widget]

What is bro yapping about

[surreal spruce]

Nep2ne

[tropic widget]

Mmm neptuna

[grizzled yew]

Tbh I’d assume it would be one of plutos moons or something

Or another dwarf planet

[tropic widget]

You can tuna nep but you cant tuna piano

[zealous zinc]

no its cause i said i hate modding this game

i dont really hate it august

[wintry ice]

play 4 cards when possible

[grizzled yew]

[wintry ice]

they don't need to score

[zealous zinc]

its just not intuitive and hard to diagnose errors

[tropic widget]

Wdymmm isnt lua so fun

[zealous zinc]

thats all

[wintry ice]

also it's not meta it's just good enough to cover for a chip deficit

[frank grove]

yeah

[edgy whale]

wb TITAN?

[tropic widget]

Who?

[grizzled yew]

If they added another secret hand what could it be

[zealous zinc]

no more dandadan pfp

[surreal spruce]

I ain’t ever had a Dandadan pfp

Whar

[zealous zinc]

yea discord is a trahsh app the lag is immense

[tropic widget]

The none hand from cryptid would be funny

[grizzled yew]

Titan is one of Saturns moons so maybe that idk

[frank grove]

uhh who knows but idk i cant think of one that wouldnt add 6 card hands

[edgy whale]

even if u do the roi is not great +4 chips only?

[surreal spruce]

+16 a round is good

[grizzled yew]

So literally just nothing?

[tropic widget]

Yes

[wintry ice]

what

[frank grove]

the roi is having 150 chips by the end of the run which is good enough

[tropic widget]

You just click play hand without selecting cards

[grizzled yew]

0chips
0mult

[tropic widget]

Well you'd still be able to level it up but the scaling would be terrible

[grizzled yew]

Still gets affected by black hole
Just adds 1mult

[vestal copper]

wait space can level up nothing?

[grizzled yew]

No

We’re being silly

[tropic widget]

Pretty sure in cryptid it levels up by +0.5 mult

[edgy whale]

do u get +4 per played joker or +4 for all the 4 cards totally?

[surreal spruce]

+4 a hand, 4 hands a round, +16 a round

[frank grove]

read the jokers description

[grizzled yew]

Well I have no idea what that game is

So I’m gonna look it up on steam

[tropic widget]

Cryptid is a balatro mod

[frank grove]

its a mod for balatro

[tropic widget]

A fairly popular one that basically breaks the game

[grizzled yew]

=0

[vestal copper]

cryptid is funny but gets boring quick

[frank grove]

yeah

[tropic widget]

Its 7am and it sounds like theres CHICKENS OUTSIDE MY WINDOW

WHH

WHY

[frank grove]

cluck cluck cluck cluck !!

[grizzled yew]

Are there?

[zealous zinc]

it depends on the person

i got like a few weeks of fun at least

[edgy whale]

my ass thought it provides +4chips totally per round, my bad :(

[tropic widget]

Idk theres something that sounds like chickens

[vestal copper]

well ywah

[surreal spruce]

Nah, it’s very reliable chip source

[kind blaze]

just got my c++ but steam wont give me the achievement

[tropic widget]

Win a run

[grizzled yew]

.ha

[tropic widget]

It'll update

[kind blaze]

i JUST won

[frank grove]

yeah

[tropic widget]

No i mean

[frank grove]

you have to sometimes wake steam up

and just win another

[surreal spruce]

Win another run

[tropic widget]

Just play a white stake run

[edgy whale]

so what should I focus on? Both two pair and 4oak?

[frank grove]

on white staek or anything

and it'll figure it oujt

its weird like that

[wintry ice]

the cards don't need to score

[surreal spruce]

Game checks for achievements BEFORE it clocks new sticker updates

[surreal spruce]

Pair

[wintry ice]

you just need to play 4 cards

[surreal spruce]

^^^

[kind blaze]

unbelievable

[surreal spruce]

Just 4 cards not 4 scoring cards

[kind blaze]

good thing this game is easy on yellow deck

[tropic widget]

I had to do the same for c+ and c++

[grizzled yew]

HEY
did y’all know jimbo is in cloverpit
I didn’t
So is there a cloverpit reference in balatro

[surreal spruce]

Game is also just easy on any deck on white stake

[kind blaze]

white stake counts>

[surreal spruce]

Yes

It’s ANY run

[kind blaze]

oh boy!

[surreal spruce]

You just want the game to check the achievements again

[frank grove]

yeah

its weird

[surreal spruce]

Cause it does it before it clocks stickers so you basically just run it back

[hard jewel]

omg this is insane

im doing a straight run

i have the one with gaps

do i get this or no

if yes who am i getting rid of

[grizzled yew]

Yes

[frank grove]

probably not worth it?

you already have shortcut

[tropic widget]

If you're doing straight builds you dont need anything but shortcut

[grizzled yew]

Get four fingers anyway

[frank grove]

you dont really need to make straights any easier to play

[grizzled yew]

Four fingers is funny tho

[edgy whale]

1 easier is enough ig

[frank grove]

plus 4fingers can accidently make you play unleveled up straight flushes when you've been playing straights all game

[tropic widget]

Nuh uh

[hard jewel]

straight flushes are upped too

[surreal spruce]

You don’t need 2 flat mult scalers tho

[grizzled yew]

But it makes secret hands easier

[tropic widget]

Like what?

[frank grove]

it makes secret hands easier to unlock, but doesnt change how easy they are to play really

[grizzled yew]

Flush five and flush house

[hard jewel]

so....am i getting it??

and replacing fib??

[tropic widget]

No

[grizzled yew]

o noes
Time has passed how time is supposed to pass
Good night peoples

[grizzled yew]

do it

[hard jewel]

okay thank youuu

[frank grove]

is your straight flush leveled above straights if so

do it its fun, but if its not, uhh probably not?

[hard jewel]

it is

okay

i'll get it in place of fib

[surreal spruce]

Why on earth would you replace fin

Fib*

That one is putting in like

The most woke of your + mult

[frank grove]

16 mult maybe

[hard jewel]

i really like fib too :(

[edgy whale]

what is better madness or ramen?

[surreal spruce]

Supernova is NOT doing ts

[tropic widget]

How much is your fortune teller on?

[tropic widget]

Madness because it scales

And it scales real fast

[frank grove]

if you're below black stake then madness is really tough to work around though

[hard jewel]

tarot is on +18

con is 2.3

[tropic widget]

Man kill odd todd

[edgy whale]

destroys my whole build tho 😭

[frank grove]

you've been playing straights and straight flushes with only 18 tarots used thats insane

[hard jewel]

odd todd is poly :(

[tropic widget]

Just get eternals

[hard jewel]

cause theyre not in shop :(

should i replace supernova instead

[frank grove]

what deck?

[edgy whale]

white base difficulty 😭😭

[hard jewel]

black

[wintry ice]

madness is better past black stake

[tropic widget]

Then yeah ofc ramen is better in that situation. I thought you were asking which was better in general

[tawny mantle]

So like

[wintry ice]

ramen is better for the lower stakes

[tawny mantle]

Any tips for black deck orange?

[tropic widget]

Survive.

[hard jewel]

should i get rid of supernova for 4 fingers instead or drop this idea entirely

[tawny mantle]

Fair enough

[frank grove]

im probably doing it over supernova or todd, but todd being poly is nice

[hard jewel]

OKAY THANK YOU

SUPERNOVA IS LEAVING AND FOUR FINGERS IS COMING ON MY JOURNEY TO 16 ANTE

YIPPEE

[edgy whale]

why are there no diamonds and clubs exclusive deck like checkered?
like inverse-checkered or smh? 🤔

[frank grove]

inverse checkered would be neat

[dapper zenith]

inverse abandoned

only face cards

[tawdry rock]

spades and hearts are based

[edgy whale]

auto win ahh shii

[tawdry rock]

a club and diamond deck is hell for me i hate clubs and diamonds

[dapper zenith]

Im really anxious and excited for ajny possible updates

[tawdry rock]

thank you localthunk for appreciating hearts and spades

[dapper zenith]

1. excited for new crazy stuff

[frank grove]

the simple onyx just wins runs on inverse checkered

[dapper zenith]

2. anxious it messes up this rather dope balance that exists

[dapper zenith]

aint nothing wrong with powerful decks as a base

[severe umbra]

Hmmmm..... To take Photograph over my 150 Flashcard?? Hmmm...

[frank grove]

also it would just get killed by plant

[tawdry rock]

thunk completed C++ just so he'd have the perspective of a player, he's not going to mess the game up or unbalance it

[peak plinth]

Double certificate is op

[tawdry rock]

he knows way better than all of us what is balanced and unbalanced

[dapper zenith]

the undefeatable plant vs early ante or voucher

[frank grove]

it would be really tough with only face cards to get enough aces or other nonsense to play around the face bosses on face only deck

[edgy whale]

why r u thinking about just urself? What about the person who prefers diamond and clubs? just the opposite of u? 🤔 it ain't fair enough...

[frank grove]

its not only plant

[dapper zenith]

nyeh

[frank grove]

its also face cards face down

[dapper zenith]

I understand the argument

lots of peak players can fumble balance

[zealous zinc]

this took too long

[frank grove]

that one IS tough with only faces which would make it interesting to play

[tawdry rock]

sorry im diamondist and clubist

[dapper zenith]

even balatro was amde with a lot of multiple perspectives

im not SUPER worried

face cards all face cards down deck sounds fun

very limited number of cards but also still that risk

[hard jewel]

even steven is inherently better than odd todd

since its flat mult vs flat chips right

but my odd todd is poly :(

[frank grove]

not really

[hard jewel]

oh poo

[edgy whale]

12 cards only ig?

[tawdry rock]

odd todd is awesome

even steven is like okay but

[frank grove]

odd todd is really good but with straights and striaght flushes chips dont really matter at all

[hard jewel]

everybody loves odd todd

[tawdry rock]

odd todd cool

[hard jewel]

okokok

[dapper zenith]

hmmm, maybe make it 24 adn double the amount

n ot sure

[frank grove]

what face would you double up ? nvm this is stupid

[tawdry rock]

i can assure you nobody in the whole wide world cares about straight flushes

[pearl junco]

even steven is far superior

[sly bolt]

hello chat I'm pretty new to the game, how do I unlock the scribbled joker?

[dapper zenith]

LOL

[frank grove]

the person asking is playing straight flushes right now

[dapper zenith]

the quick edit

[tawdry rock]

they dont exist unfortunately

[dapper zenith]

ive played straight flushes before

veryfun

can get it realtively easy on checkered

[tawdry rock]

the government is spying on us and lying about the viability of straight flushes

[frank grove]

its fun but god is it a chore to build a deck around

[wintry ice]

i'd say todd is better because chips are scarce

[dapper zenith]

for me the thing i wish I was better at building

is high card

SO FUN when it works

[tawdry rock]

i love square joker

squoker my goat

[subtle drum]

ew

[frank grove]

square joker is so good

i LOVE castle though

[edgy whale]

it gives u THAT serotonin hit 🤤🤤

[dapper zenith]

shout out to castle

castle and ancient joker combo lets go

dance of doom

[frank grove]

did you know you can deck fix for castle?

[dapper zenith]

yuh

[high shuttle]

i wish ancient worked with deck fixing too

[tawdry rock]

castle considers your deck??

[frank grove]

YEAH!!

[tawdry rock]

castle my goat

[dapper zenith]

ancient with deck fixing too stronk

[frank grove]

its AMAZING

[high shuttle]

but it would be so awesome

[dapper zenith]

just better idol at that point

[frank grove]

idol is 2x though

[tawdry rock]

better bloodstone

way way way way better bloodstone

[dapper zenith]

still better bvecause getting the same color is a looot easier than same card

[frank grove]

yeah

[dapper zenith]

and like, it opens up idol + ancient

[zealous zinc]

damn you balatro university

[dapper zenith]

which would be rather silly willy

[frank grove]

what are you working on now ?

[edgy whale]

context?

[zealous zinc]

you tell me that as part of balance suggestions you want new jokers

i am not creative

or im lazy

pick ur poison because im not adding that rn

[dapper zenith]

x1000000 high card joker

[dapper zenith]

called bimbo

[zealous zinc]

maybe ill copy paste in werewolf from extra credit idfk

[frank grove]

idea from me blerp but maybe insane so idk

[analog estuary]

hello hi

[tawdry rock]

top 10 saddest

[high shuttle]

+1 chips joker he tries his best

[subtle drum]

square joker fans be like

[zealous zinc]

this i can do

[high shuttle]

so real actualy

[dapper zenith]

+1 chip joker that only scores +10000 chips on ante 8 final boss and ignores debuffs

[sleek agate]

what are we doing here

[dapper zenith]

hand

[sleek agate]

i might skip this one

[dapper zenith]

straights more fun

[high shuttle]

replace +10000 with +0

[dapper zenith]

this assumes he gives up after trying his best

I refuse such connotations

[frank grove]

buisness card gives you so much money for a few rounds and then its worse but still fine

[high shuttle]

he's just taking time off

[tulip aurora]

Prolly buisness card

[high shuttle]

work life balance is important

[analog estuary]

yeah cuz you havent seen me after i lost my pet foot thumb finger nail that shit was sad

[tulip aurora]

Bc money🤤🤤🤤🤤

[subtle drum]

u have dice so def business card

[tawdry rock]

top 10 sentences

[sleek agate]

eternal

i skipped

[tulip aurora]

Boooo

[subtle drum]

yeah but still

[frank grove]

you can take an eternal econ joker you know?

[sleek agate]

i got this now

[frank grove]

like thats allowed

[sleek agate]

i know

[tulip aurora]

It was like 2 seconds the fucj happened

[dapper zenith]

well

[sleek agate]

its just not an amazing econ

[dapper zenith]

cl;early worked out when he didn't

he tha goat

econ joker + econ scaling joker

ez dubz

[analog estuary]

"oh damn! i didnt get homeless london citizen on ante 8 round 23 this run, let me hold R"

[tulip aurora]

I guess it works when you get a normal one anyway LMAO

[frank grove]

yeah

[sleek agate]

its yellow deck

[dapper zenith]

exactly

this guy gets it

[kind blaze]

YIPPEE!!!!!

[tawdry rock]

8 ball should be a 1 in 2 chance or at least at the very least 1 in 3

[dapper zenith]

the unassailable arrow

[analog estuary]

boooooo

[tulip aurora]

It should be 1 in 8

[analog estuary]

8 ball my beloved

[tulip aurora]

Think abt it

[frank grove]

tarot cards are just so powerful so 1/2 seems broken but 1/3 seems fine

[dapper zenith]

8 ball should actually have an exclusive animation where it gets nuked as soon as it enters my screen

[subtle drum]

crazy achievement, congrats

[analog estuary]

i think it shouldve made me have 8 balls

think about it

[tawdry rock]

how did you.. get that on white stake?

what

[zealous zinc]

what would you prefer?

[analog estuary]

the duality of man

[dapper zenith]

what was the last card

[tawdry rock]

am i crazy

[frank grove]

you have to complete a run after finishing last gold sticker sometimes

[edgy whale]

why can't we see jokers that goes alongside with aces? i mean there are plenty of jokers which amplifies the ability of face cards? this ain't fair??!

[tawdry rock]

oh okay

[kind blaze]

to the moon

[tawdry rock]

makes sense

[dapper zenith]

getting 15 bucks at the same time would literally make me tear up

[analog estuary]

WHAT IS THAT REWORK

[tulip aurora]

A stroke

[kind blaze]

got the last sticker on gold stake but then had to beat another run to update steam

[dapper zenith]

probably not literally but def would be fun

anwyay too many mults in the world

make it chips or cash

[frank grove]

the 15 dollars would be kinda sick honestly

[zealous zinc]

hey thats easier to program

tbf

[tawdry rock]

great job now put c++ in your name to assert your dominance

or even cooler Rathstink++

[tulip aurora]

Flower pot my LEAST favorite card

[kind blaze]

true...

[analog estuary]

"would you rather have a slightly more useful flower pot or make it give 5 quintillion chips and make you have infinite money"

[tulip aurora]

I wish there weren't 4 boss blinds to nuke wild cards

Their so cool

[dapper zenith]

me as soon as I see 8 ball

[analog estuary]

real ones dont talk ill of flower pot

[zealous zinc]

stilll need 4 suits for that

but i dont recall

[dapper zenith]

would nuke 8 ball for bus fare and walk home

[zealous zinc]

if it includes unplayed suits

[tawdry rock]

get fucking pouch reacted

this is blasphemous

[zealous zinc]

if it does 15$ is OP

[tulip aurora]

W 8ball stray

[analog estuary]

my 8 ball hits more than my dad hits me

[rich mauve]

put c++ in your name to assert dominance

[dapper zenith]

8 ball hits as often as a dad who left for cigarettes and milk

[tulip aurora]

Aint that a good thing

[zealous zinc]

does flower pot proc if u didnt score a suit in your hand

eg high card but i have 4 suits

[fathom pagoda]

No

[rich mauve]

you are no peasant now

[zealous zinc]

it has to be 4 scoring suits correct

[frank grove]

yes

[tawdry rock]

so bad

[fathom pagoda]

Correct

[zealous zinc]

if so i dont think 10-15$ is insanity

[frank grove]

which is why splash and flowerpot is ... doable

[tulip aurora]

Rate the gold stake magic deck win🥹

Random bs go

[zealous zinc]

still worse than mail in

thats my bar

lol

[frank grove]

yeah but you're doing the nerf ro rebate right?

[dapper zenith]

guess you missed and hit the stars

[tawdry rock]

this message was more fire when it was yeah but you'

[analog estuary]

ok

[tulip aurora]

Bars

[kind blaze]

https://klipy.com/gifs/fire-writing-2

[zealous zinc]

bu didnt say that in the video. Shrug

[analog estuary]

hold there ima make a tier list

[dapper zenith]

more lucky card cards

[frank grove]

I swear he did am i dreaming that?

[zealous zinc]

idk

its 3 am

idk

would u rather have 400 chips from flower pot or 15 dollars

or make it so its easier to get xmult

[frank grove]

400 chips does the same problem than right now

[dapper zenith]

15 DOLLAR

[zealous zinc]

kind of yea

[frank grove]

where you have to play around 4 suits for your scoring hand whilst the 15 dollars allows you to make money when you can which is useful

[zealous zinc]

thing is that it is still having a better niche as a chips joker

the reason i think flower pot is so bad is because its far worse than the options

[frank grove]

yeah

400 chips is still kinda worse than other chips options because its so conditional compared to something like square, runner and castle

[zealous zinc]

if it was +400 chips its a high risk high reward joker now and it isnt easy to get any other chips joker that high quickly

[edgy whale]

ideas to make lovers (tarot) card to make it more impactful in the run?

[frank grove]

yeah

[zealous zinc]

i can get like

basically any xmult and match that 3x

from flowerpot

[frank grove]

yeah

whilst getting 400 chips is tough but doable with castle and wee harder with runner almost impossible with square

[zealous zinc]

stuntman is the only thing that comes close to rivaling flower pot basically

[latent egret]

buff flowerpot

[zealous zinc]

in terms of chip amount

[latent egret]

and make it immune to bosses

[zealous zinc]

unless u get a really good scaling chip build

[latent egret]

it doesn’t matter what they do, if they are still bosses vulnerable they will stay ass

[frank grove]

making wilds immune to bosses does solve the problem a little bit

[zealous zinc]

the idea is to just make flower pot different from seeing double ig

[latent egret]

even if you make the lovers tarot change 5 cards

[zealous zinc]

hey u got here at a perfect time

[frank grove]

yeah i guess the 400 chips is better

[zealous zinc]

what would u prefer between these two

[frank grove]

i like the idea of 15 dollars however

[zealous zinc]

would u rather flower pot be nearly the same but easier or become very distinct from seeing double and not even give xmult as its reward

[frank grove]

just cause somewhat minigames for money is nice thats kinda not a thing right now other than satalite i guess?

[zealous zinc]

matador

[frank grove]

thats mostly rng

[zealous zinc]

even mail in

[latent egret]

its the possible crossover of flowerpot and seeing double that coud be annoying

[zealous zinc]

i mean like if it changes how u play i call it a minigame

[frank grove]

matador doesnt really require you to do much to make it work it just works or doesnt

[latent egret]

if it stays x mult

[zealous zinc]

thats why im leaning making it chips or money

[zealous zinc]

good point

400 chips for 4 suits lwk feels cool

[frank grove]

yeah

[gentle basalt]

I think the problem with flower pot is that wild cards are weak
And a wild card rework would fix that (2 wild carss per tarot, and more importantly, not being disabled by suit bosses)

[latent egret]

chips being rare is good, id say money would be more

[frank grove]

i wouldnt hate the idea of it being like exponetially scaling, like the first option with chips instead

[gentle basalt]

Even a x10 would not make me use flower pot if i knew just one bad boss makes me lose

[edgy whale]

do u guys expect an Usagi YoJIMBO crossover? 🤔🤔

[frank grove]

like, 50 chips with 2 suits, 150 chips with 3, 400 with 4

or something like that

[latent egret]

also if y’all didn’t know smeared makes seeing double work with high card spade or club

which i find funny

[zealous zinc]

lmao

[frank grove]

yeah thats weird, also probably being patched out at some point

[zealous zinc]

ok ill make flower pot 400 chips for now

[sleek agate]

money

[frank grove]

i love glass joker

[tulip aurora]

Im curious what you got rid of for blueprint

[zealous zinc]

prolly the card sharp

[frank grove]

yeah

[tulip aurora]

I was gonna guess glass joker

[sleek agate]

glass joker

[sleek agate]

its 1x

[zealous zinc]

sad

[tulip aurora]

Boom

[frank grove]

thats sad

[zealous zinc]

ahhh fair

[frank grove]

glass joker is so fun

[edgy whale]

why tf blank voucher does nothing...?

[sleek agate]

agreed but i only had 1 glass

[tulip aurora]

Yea glass joker isnt goof w that run, he has half joker so less value playing 3 cards max

[sleek agate]

its one of my favs too

[frank grove]

it doesnt !! it allows you buy the tier 2 of it later!!

[tulip aurora]

Hard to scale that way

Especially w no dice

[frank grove]

you dont need dice for glass joker?

it helps

[tulip aurora]

That is simply not what I said😭

[edgy whale]

tier 1 is total scam tho 😭

[tulip aurora]

THAT is what I said

Whole nothing burger over there

[tulip aurora]

Worth

[sleek agate]

tier 1 is okay if u hv money

[fathom pagoda]

It's investment towards an entire new joker slot, using only easily replenished cash. Other method usually require lots of luck, reductions in hand size, or Black Deck.

[sleek agate]

i dont generally buy tier 1 myself

unless ive got $35 or more

[zealous zinc]

uh does anyone here know how to edit localization in vanilla joker

the modding chat lwk dead and i might sleep soon

[edgy whale]

basically u r paying $20 for +1 joker slot even if it's not asssured

[sleek agate]

tier 1 and 2 are asking for $20 which isnt what black deck could usually do

[sleek agate]

yes

well you pay a $10 deposit

[latent egret]

which is more than worth

[fathom pagoda]

Black Deck was specifically an example of what it'd take to get an extra Joker Slot without taking the Blank

[frank grove]

an extra joker slot in endless is almost necessary for good runs

[edgy whale]

right about

[sleek agate]

ah