🕹・game-discussion

[twin rune]

Not when you're down a discard because of blue stake

[surreal pier]

I do think full house was always 3rd, no?

Lemme check

[royal bobcat]

full house has worse planets than the uhhh saturn

earth is worse

[lost vault]

yes yes yes i agree

although

[subtle drum]

but if ur playing some ass hand like a pair or something how r u gonna score when you have virtually no base score to start with

[surreal pier]

Ok it's exactly the same seemingly?

[royal bobcat]

idk about base score from hands cuz u always want planets anyway

[lost vault]

big hands are fun but they sure arent meta

[somber barn]

Stone cards or half joker plus mults

[surreal pier]

Straight was beneath flush and full house was above flush and beneath 4oaK

[subtle drum]

ew i hate stone cards and half joker

sorry

impulse reaction

gag

[lost vault]

im sorru but pairs are highkey the best hand type

giod scaling

[surreal pier]

It's so sad when the boring stuff is the best

[lost vault]

i dont love playing them

[royal bobcat]

more than highkey

[surreal pier]

Like diamondback in TF2

[lost vault]

theyre just

[royal bobcat]

hey pairs arent boring

[subtle drum]

fine, i'll try it

[surreal pier]

It's OP but sooo boring like

[lost vault]

in the current blue stake

[somber barn]

Smh, that's why my high cards average 100k chips up to ante 12

[royal bobcat]

they only are boring because you only play them

[subtle drum]

but i still have my doubts

[surreal pier]

I get rewarded for changing nothing about my spy playstyle

[lost vault]

they are just so much better

[royal bobcat]

if pairs were just another type of biuld theyd be fine

[surreal pier]

Ye cuz they're the best

[lost vault]

5 card hands can easily flop cuz blue stake is evil

[subtle drum]

spy?

[lost vault]

fair

[royal bobcat]

look at how happy new players are to use what we'd use pairs for but they use high card instead

[surreal pier]

Yeah, spy in TF2 has two mechanics that are relevant for this: Backstabbing (instant kill) and Sapping (deactivates and destroys buildings)
The diamondback is a weapon that grants you crits (3x base damage, which is A LOT) for just backstabbing and sapping stuff

Massive reward for 0 playstyle change

It's OP, but boring

[subtle drum]

oh i see

i played like one game of tf2 ever

lol

[surreal pier]

Trust me Diamondback is an issue to this day

So it's like pairs in a way, they're just the most effective tactic available

Aka, Meta

[strange panther]

🔥

[calm furnace]

HtR hard carry lets go

[lost vault]

what was the throwback at

[calm furnace]

0.25 💀

throwback and smiley face are there

because i didn't have a single dollar last 3 antes thanks to the ox

[lost vault]

peak

[calm furnace]

my strategy of always making 9s and jacks keeps paying off

[strange panther]

jackin it til u hit cloud 9

[calm furnace]

idc what top players say

what dr dpectered say

what roffle does

9s and jacks are the best ranks

[lost vault]

idk what the best rank is

im partial to 8s

[calm furnace]

and my decision to make more of them always pays off

[lost vault]

but 5s are probably objectively better

fibo, hack

[strange panther]

i like 8s because stanley parable referendce

[lost vault]

not face card

[calm furnace]

HtR can be insanely clutch

[royal bobcat]

Why eights

Fib

Okay

[lost vault]

i like 8s because 8ball

:3

[royal bobcat]

But no retriggers tho

[subtle drum]

not 1.25 but 0.25 lol

[lost vault]

fair

[royal bobcat]

5 is prolly the best rank in the game behind queens maybe

[calm furnace]

and cloud9 is like the best econ not called mail in rebate

[lost vault]

like i said they probably arent the best

[lost vault]

queens are iffy but i can see it

they do have a lotta joker

but the boss blind

[calm furnace]

re trigger is endless brainrot

[subtle drum]

hehe balls

[royal bobcat]

Shoot the moon, all the face card thingies

[lost vault]

retriggers can be good in ante 8 runs

[calm furnace]

can

bif emphasis there

[royal bobcat]

Retriggers are NOT endless brainrot

[lost vault]

yes, can
in balatro, it is never always

[strange panther]

fr i wanted to go flush 5 build but i got a natural double mime baron by ante 6

[royal bobcat]

Retriggers are BASED

[strange panther]

and now im playing ding ding ding simulator

based on what

gotcha

[royal bobcat]

Chad is my HUSBAND

[lost vault]

retriggers are pretty awesoke

[royal bobcat]

And I bounce on it

And by it

Well, ahah

[somber barn]

Could you say

Chad is

Hung?

[royal bobcat]

I mean the retriggers

[calm furnace]

chad is good because it retriggers any rank

[royal bobcat]

So does seltzer and dusk

[strange panther]

copying the mime rn for farming e16

[calm furnace]

chad is my most used joker in gold runs but sock and hack are whatever

[royal bobcat]

[strange panther]

one hand of copying king is e36

[calm furnace]

i would rather build towards 9 and find cloud 9

than buold towards face or 5s and find hack sock

they are all uncommon

[royal bobcat]

You don't build into 5s to get hack

[lost vault]

dusk and seltzer do that too

[royal bobcat]

You build into 5s because they have a lot of jokers, one of them being hack

[royal bobcat]

🐌

[lost vault]

true

:3

[calm furnace]

yeah so do 9s minus the retrigger

[lost vault]

errm sock and busk do that with pareidolia 🤓

[royal bobcat]

9s have cloud nine and odd todd

[old saffron]

what other jokers do 5's have?

[royal bobcat]

Don't get me wrong cloud nine is really good

But you 9s don't have as much support

[royal bobcat]

Fibonacci, hack, odd todd

[strange panther]

spooky

[calm furnace]

cloud9 alone is enough

[strange panther]

-11/10 screenshot

[calm furnace]

money is king

[dire sage]

if you choose to delete the arm or violet vessel which do you choose

[old saffron]

fibonacci is pretty goated for sure

[strange panther]

screenshot of the nat neg 6s by showing everythbing but the joker

[royal bobcat]

Also I need to say

[strange panther]

its peak comedy

[dire sage]

fibonacci works when your 2 and 3 and 5 are already pretty buffed

[royal bobcat]

Having BOTH fib AND odd todd is awesome

[strange panther]

next roll another nat neg wtf

[royal bobcat]

One rank gives both mult n chips

[calm furnace]

fib is an 8$ card that does +40 on a hand full of its ranks 😩

irrelevant card when you can play the easier and vastly superior agate

[royal bobcat]

Which is a lot of mult for very little effort

[strange panther]

i have a single 6 left in my deck, gonna pop the 6s and get triple crypid dont ask me how im not cheating

[lost vault]

3s op

omg

[calm furnace]

big effort to play a full hand of fib ranks

[royal bobcat]

Agate is literally harder to play

[lost vault]

how did i forget about twos

[calm furnace]

huh

[lost vault]

twos have wee and fib

[royal bobcat]

Fibonacci covers more cards than agate

[lost vault]

wee is good

[royal bobcat]

By the way~

[calm furnace]

covers less hands

[old saffron]

why would not build towards aces in runs then? cause i love scholar, sure hack doesn't work on it but as i was typing i realise you lose a retrigger so it's better to have a hackable card

[calm furnace]

the only way you getting 5 fib cards in one hand is full house

the worst hand in the game

[strange panther]

dont hate them just cause u cant be them

[royal bobcat]

if fibonacci is bad because it wants full house then pants are also bad lol

[calm furnace]

aces are goated

[royal bobcat]

do u realize where ure going with that kind of argument

[calm furnace]

pants dont want full house

lmao

[royal bobcat]

no but they want the second worst hand in the game

so like

[old saffron]

yah but i hear the retrigger argument, you lose one for hack if you build towards them

[calm furnace]

its way easier to get a flush and 5 clubs in one hand than getting 5 fib cards

[royal bobcat]

when you haven't heard of strength

[calm furnace]

yeah its very easy to get a flush give build

[royal bobcat]

if you think agate is good (which it is) then you can't say fib is bad lmao

[calm furnace]

like there is no argument that agate is better

[royal bobcat]

"erm i think green joker is very good but bus is bad" ahhh moment

[calm furnace]

very irrelevant

lmao

factually its easier to play flushes

[royal bobcat]

thats exactly what you're doing though

[calm furnace]

factually full house is the worst hand

factually its very hard, bad and inconsistent to get 5 fib cards in one hand without a lot of deck fixing

and if you are deck fixing, factually its easier to deck fix for clubs

[royal bobcat]

you're taking two jokers that are about as powerful as one another, are as easy to use as one another, and you're saying that one is bad while the other is good solely to prove a point and say that nines are better than fives

[calm furnace]

also fib is not bad, its not flower pot or showman

but between agate and fib its not even a question

[royal bobcat]

no no it is

[calm furnace]

+8 is still +8 even for pairs it does a job

im not saying its bad

im just saying for its price its not that great and not something i would build towards unless its my only scoring option

[quick umbra]

I think this isn't too bad a run

[royal bobcat]

the mult difference between a 4 card fib hand an agate flush is 3 mult

even if you play one less card the difference is minimal

[calm furnace]

the math physics and rules of the universe dictate that playing 2 flushes of clubs is easier than playing 2 hands of fib crds

[lost vault]

the fuck you mean the "math physics and rules of the universe"

its called statistics

[royal bobcat]

we're doing all of this just so you can walk away satisfied than 9s are better than 5s

[calm furnace]

whats stastistics

[royal bobcat]

this is worthless

[calm furnace]

idk i like to argue

[lost vault]

wait then why are 9s involved

fuck

[calm furnace]

because they are the goat

[lost vault]

agate

why is agate involved

mu brain

what does agate have to do with 9s

[calm furnace]

oblgiatory fuck bloodstone

[royal bobcat]

because i said that fives were good because fib is very strong

[lost vault]

okay?

i still dont see where agate comes in qwq

[royal bobcat]

so they said "fib aint that good i mean theres agate"

[lost vault]

well maybe but you cant just summon jokers

if i see a fib im taking it and running 5s

or 8s

because im craazy

[gloomy swallow]

nun too shabby

[calm furnace]

i always summon jokers wym

[lost vault]

feet

[calm furnace]

8ball value >>>>

[lost vault]

fr

[calm furnace]

8ball is vagabond for rich people

[gloomy swallow]

you are set up for tarots AND spectrals

by technicality

[royal bobcat]

idk usually i run both fives and eights when i have fib

[lost vault]

wouldnt the best technically be 5s and 2s

[calm furnace]

next update hack should retrigger aces

[lost vault]

in hopes of the Wee

i love scholar

[calm furnace]

my too me too

also i love walkie talkie

those 2 saved so many early runs

[royal bobcat]

i'm hoping for the mid yet very realitic 8ball instead of the good yet wild and outlandish wee

[strange panther]

yes but when my deck already looks like this

[calm furnace]

NEGATIVE JJ

ITS SO PRETTY

[glossy forge]

Vessel claims another

[strange panther]

another on the pile

[calm furnace]

why is ramen before green

[glossy forge]

It was being copied by brainstorm sitting after green

[calm furnace]

ah fair enough

[royal bobcat]

balatro estrogen edition

[calm furnace]

ante 1 cartomancer and license

and duo from judgement

yet no flat mult

now i find campfire

god damn it campfire + cartomancer seems like a good combo but need mult

[lost vault]

sell duo

[calm furnace]

i passed on it

[lost vault]

👀

o

[calm furnace]

no planet levels

except venus at level 3

keeping duo and shoot the moon is the boring way out

omg now i find trio

what is this luck with planets

if i had few more venuses i would go full venus mode

[peak plinth]

Im sturggling with this perkeo gold sticker. everytime I get it, i either get unlucky with a boss that destroys my setup or not able to utilise it properly

[autumn prairie]

wait what

[quartz ember]

sold showman?

[calm furnace]

if Venus has million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Venus has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Venus has no fans, that means I'm dead.

[autumn prairie]

i sold after it debuffed does it still apply to the next shop?

[gloomy swallow]

3oak has to be one of the most underused hands ever

not as common as a pair, not as bulky as a 4oak

compares strength to that a bit higher than the flush when it comes to level ups (which isnt a lot) and only one joker ever really gives you a good reason to just play a 3oak instead of a full house

half joker

[autumn goblet]

yeah 3ok is proly my least played hand other than like royal flush

pretty sure I've played more flush 5/5ok than 3ok cos of certain builds haha

that might be an exaggeration though I wouldnt know for sure without checking

[somber barn]

3oak is the goat

[gloomy swallow]

evil

[autumn goblet]

I will forever be in debt to 4OK cos it allowed me to beat jokerless on my first ever attempt xD

[weak relic]

Same

[quartz ember]

there is some sort of bug(?) with it so that this sometimes happens, I'm not sure of the details though

[calm furnace]

scales so nice, easy to build towards, not hard to draw

if checkered deck didnt exist, 3oak would be my most played hand after pairs

[gloomy swallow]

scales comparable to that of a flush, easy to build towards doesnt always mean its more convinient or versatile to do so, harder to draw than a pair and when you draw 3oak consistently, lets be honest, you draw 4oak consistently

[fringe nebula]

how do you deckfix for 3oak anyway

[gloomy swallow]

same why you would deck fix for any oak really

[autumn goblet]

same as 4ok I guess

[calm furnace]

3oak is still way easier than 4oak

[calm furnace]

not really

4oak you focus on one rank

3oak you focus on multiple ranks

[gloomy swallow]

only really when it ccomes to the early on part

the rest of the game if you build towards 3oak,, you build towards 4oak

[calm furnace]

and 3oak doesnt suffer as much as 4oak from deck bloat. i run hologram + 3oak a lot

like pick 2-3 ranks to rotate

[gloomy swallow]

which..?:

• scales better
• has more cards to retrigger
• has more versatility towards other builds

4oak obviously

[calm furnace]

scaling better is irrelevant when its harder to draw and harder to deck ifx for

[gloomy swallow]

ah my brother, but allas you dont wanna be adding cards to your deck, you wanna be destroying them...

[calm furnace]

3oak becomes almost as easy to draw as pairs when you have extra discards or/and handsize

[gloomy swallow]

same goes for 4oak when you build towards it properly instead of relying on a limbo of a hand?

[calm furnace]

idk as i said, venus is one of my most used hands on gold stake and hologram is my most used xmult and i never struggled building towards 3oak with a bigger deck

4oak needs a thinner deck

[gloomy swallow]

and you say you dont have any problem building towards it with a specific joker

where is the versatility in that

[calm furnace]

that joker is notorious for bloating the deck

and making anything other than paird hard to draw

[shell dagger]

2 pair beats both lowkey

[gloomy swallow]

not when you actually decide to have free will over what cards you draw

im not drawing a 2 for an extra 0.25x

[calm furnace]

huh

does your version of balatro let you order your deck before each blind?

[calm furnace]

2 pair having pants >>>>

[shell dagger]

Even without pants I’d rather 2pair than 3/4oak

[calm furnace]

but 2 pair doesnt work without a flat mult joker

3oak scales it doesnt need flat mult

[shell dagger]

on abandoned maybe I’d 3oak

[calm furnace]

painted makes 3oak trivial

[gloomy swallow]

EXACTLY

• same amount of chipss when it comes to building asa 3oak
• more cards to retrigger
• actually more consistent to draw no matter what the hell you do???
• less mult problem is fixed when you ACTUALLY HAVE JOKERS TO PLAY THE GAME!!!!

[calm furnace]

level 15 2 pair is 5k
level 15 3oak is 10k

[shell dagger]

yeah it scores half as many points

it’s not all sunshine and daisies

2pair shines on the hard decks like black and plasma tho

[gloomy swallow]

thats because the level gives 2 mult instead of 1 mult

and if you have had enough time to build towards a lvl 15 hand, you have had enough time to make the mult difference between those two meaningless with your jokers

[calm furnace]

2 pair is a decent hand

[gloomy swallow]

more reasonable than 3oak thats for true

[calm furnace]

not really. both are context depending pivots from pairs

you still wanna do pairs unless you are given a reason not to

[shell dagger]

in a vacuum i definitely think 3oak is stronger than 4oak but because of 2p and pair being so strong it eats into the niche of 3oak a bit

like if you force 3oak in gold stake you’ll probably win more often than forcing 4oak

[calm furnace]

the nature of gold stake with the -1 discard and all makes 3oak better

[shell dagger]

although 4oak beats 3oak on plasma

[autumn goblet]

pretty sure I beat all my gold steaks other than checkered with pair lmao

[calm furnace]

thats how 99% of humanity does it

[shell dagger]

ive won with every hand but 85% are pair runs

[tiny temple]

I'm just a scrub who just got up to purple stake but I was doing ok on it until I got to black deck. Damn am I struggling with the early game on black deck. Feel like I need to rethink my early game entirely

[calm furnace]

even on checkered

[fringe nebula]

yep, that's black deck earlygame

[autumn goblet]

urghhh black deck

[calm furnace]

endless is the reason pluto is there

[tiny temple]

I must be being too greedy in terms of trying to accrue income early on?

[fringe nebula]

who knows

[tiny temple]

I feel like I've lost more times just doing black deck on purple stake compared to ALL my prior runs thus far lol

[dapper sequoia]

This is the first time I've seen Jokers line up this perfectly in Anty 2...
(I play on PC too. The only mod I use is Joker Display.)

[tiny temple]

Holy cow

[calm furnace]

also on my most 3oak builds, if i dont have telescope and i open a pack without venus ima always pick mars

on 3oak builds its not hard to pivot to 4oak

[rose wolf]

proud to be of service

[tiny temple]

Just a general question but how are you guys effectively shaping your deck to facilitate 3 or 4oak without a ton of discards? I rarely feel like i have that much control over my deck but I may be thinking too narrowly or something

[calm furnace]

3oak you just focus on couple of ranks, you see a strength or two and focus on those ranks

and you rotate the ranks with hands played

so with each 3oak you play 2 more cards

[spark kernel]

WHAT

[calm furnace]

gotta be concinounce about what you play and discard

[autumn goblet]

eternal throwback yummy

[tiny temple]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by that?

[last wren]

which card is blueprint worth copying assuming all face cards?

[autumn goblet]

problem is you dont have another joker for throwback to copy haha

[somber barn]

Hanging Chad in my opinion

[autumn goblet]

errrr hanging chad proly

guarantee'd 2x mult like 5 times

6 with sock and buskin actually

i think

[calm furnace]

you find your first strenght, strengthen a pair, now you have 6 cards of that rank.

next time you find a strength you cannot guarantee that you can strength to the same rank, so you strength another rank, now you 6 copies of 2 different ranks and those are the ranks you rotate towwards

each other death and strenght goes into making more of those 2 ranks

[autumn goblet]

one from photograph, two from chad, two from blueprint, one from s&b

[tiny temple]

Got it, yeah. Ok that is what I have been doing, it just feels not super consistent. But maybe I'm aiming for more consistency than necessary for it to work

[calm furnace]

its not as consistent as pairs, but with the less econ on gold stake and all the rng and all that you try to focus on 2 and maybe 3 ranks for 3oak

and when you open packs you buy cards of the ranks you focus on, or something you can strengthen to that rank

i personally build towards jacks and 9s on all builds, 3oak or not

[tiny temple]

Yeah, ok. That was more or less what I was aiming for. Makes sense

[tiny temple]

Wait why? I get jacks for hit the road

[calm furnace]

when you hover over the deck with your mouse it shows what cards are left

[calm furnace]

9s for potential cloud 9

[tiny temple]

Interesting that that is more valuable than the 10/4 card for example

[calm furnace]

8s also decent

[tiny temple]

Or aces

[calm furnace]

8s get 8ball and easily become 9s for cloud 9

[calm furnace]

early game aces are king

[surreal pier]

Far away

[calm furnace]

also aces have the advantage of the spectral that summons 2 aces

[last wren]

is the dice worth it? and if so who to replace?

[tiny temple]

Appreciate the thoughts. Will continue to try to incorporate it

[abstract light]

chat wil i get atleast e200 with ts?

[autumn goblet]

errr depends what your deck looks like I guess

[autumn goblet]

like do you have a lot of heart cards?

[last wren]

yep

[autumn goblet]

errrr hmmmm

[calm furnace]

sell photo

or chad

[autumn goblet]

gosh I dont know what you'd get rid of

[calm furnace]

i would sell photo

[peak plinth]

Hell yeah, lots of new gold stickers

[autumn goblet]

I guess you've gotta decide whether you wanna play bloodstone or photograph

[rose wolf]

i wish you luck

[calm furnace]

triggering lucky cards with bp copying chad will generate money

[abstract light]

ye ty

i got e164 anyway.

[rose wolf]

you're welcome

[last wren]

alr thanks

[autumn goblet]

no clue tbh, my highest is like e102

[abstract light]

.

[weak relic]

I became gradually worse in this game after taking a break

Now c++ seems impossible

For me

[last wren]

do i still blueprint chad? or switch to sock since photograph is gone?

[calm furnace]

c++ is just a matter of patience

[abstract light]

bloodstone

.

[rose wolf]

i've never gotten a score with an e 😔

[calm furnace]

depends on what you are playing

a hand with 3-4 lucky face cards

sock

[weak relic]

Yeah I lost so many runs with game winning joker comps

[calm furnace]

one lucky card, chad

[last wren]

alr thanks

[abstract light]

whenever u got a playcard mult joker and a retrigger,always copy the playcard mult

unless its glass

🙏

+poly also

[patent sail]

riff raff is actually the goat

[autumn goblet]

was gonna say no real jokers but its only ante 2

yeah riff raff is indeed goated

[patent sail]

bus?? supernova?

[shell dagger]

bus is real

[autumn goblet]

gets you cards you want and you can sell the cards you dont for econ

[patent sail]

blue aint bad

[shell dagger]

bus + blue carries up to ante 5

[autumn goblet]

orange stake, so they wouldnt carry you

[patent sail]

not truth...

[autumn goblet]

but like I said I didn't realise it was early game

[patent sail]

bus carry

[marsh dove]

Why take the guaranteed win when you could ankh blueprint and gamble it all on finding hanging chad

Pivot time 🔥

[patent sail]

might get out of raised fist soon idk

[autumn goblet]

raised fist is probably the weakest one there yeah

[shell dagger]

it’s slowing down bus scaling

same with supernova

[patent sail]

super got sold as soon as bus spawned

i like bus more

SQUARE

riff raff i love you

can i kiss him

[autumn goblet]

omg square + supernova

the pair build is real

[shell dagger]

square and bus >

[patent sail]

super is gone 😭 bus i love tho

[autumn goblet]

oh

rip

[patent sail]

i wanna kiss him rn i love riff raff so much

[autumn goblet]

need a canio now so you get buffed when you destroy face cards hehe

[marsh dove]

W

[autumn goblet]

isnt it more beneficial to copy chad than photo?

[patent sail]

update: i fucking died

[autumn goblet]

wat

how come?

[patent sail]

not wnough score

[marsh dove]

No 👍

[autumn goblet]

righteo then, carry on

[marsh dove]

Well I guess technically I get 20 more chips

[patent sail]

but i still wanna kiss riff raff

[marsh dove]

If I move one blueprint over

[autumn goblet]

well well well

no real jokers

jk unlucky

[patent sail]

if i kept fist or misprint id survive

but i gambled riff raff 🔥

[autumn goblet]

things like this make me question if im actually any good at this game 💀

[somber barn]

Riff raff is either a godsend or a curse sometimes

[patent sail]

no 😭😭😭

4^3 > 2^5

[marsh dove]

It’s equal for mult

[patent sail]

?? copying photo is 2x more i believe

actually you get 1 copy on each if you have two

[marsh dove]

2 base triggers + 2 triggers from Chad
3 photographs
4x3=12
If you move one over it’s the same
6x2=12

[autumn goblet]

wait yeah 3x3 is 9 vs 1x7 i suppose

if that's right

3xphoto 3 times cos of chad

vs 1x photo 7 times cos of chad

if you were copying chad

[marsh dove]

Technically +20 chips makes one more on Chad better but like let’s be real

20 chips means nothing with any decent planet scaling

[patent sail]

both on photo is 8^3 which is x512, one on each is x1024

❤️‍🩹

[marsh dove]

2 base triggers

Not one

I have red seals

[autumn goblet]

balatro

[patent sail]

well that part i just didnt know

[somber barn]

The Numbers, Mason

[marsh dove]

2 base triggers

[patent sail]

i didnt understand what any of that math means

[marsh dove]

You have to make it so triggers * mult effects is as high as possible

6 triggers x 2 photographs = 12
4 triggers x 3 photographs = 12

[patent sail]

so i assume its 8^4 vs 4^6

[autumn goblet]

errrrrrr balatro

[marsh dove]

Easier to think about it in terms of balancing triggers and mult in a game

Takes 2 seconds to count

It’s a good method

[somber barn]

Otralab

[patent sail]

the same, i counted

i guess you are right

[autumn goblet]

glorious

[patent sail]

i still prefer doing that through doing multiplication rather than counting triggers idk 😭

either way works

[marsh dove]

You can express stuff like 2^3^4 as 2^(3x4) instead of 8^4 if it makes the math easier

[patent sail]

(4096)

[marsh dove]

That way you don’t have to evaluate it you can just see the exponent and base are both equal

[patent sail]

i mean i googled the answer anyway and got the number instantly

so

[somber barn]

Google?

This is a Bing house

[patent sail]

you can just search up like "4^8" or something and it will just give the answer

[marsh dove]

I meant for doing it mentally since I don’t usually bother with a calculator

Using a calc is fair though

[patent sail]

i mwan im on a computer anyway, i might as well

either way 🎉🎉 yeah its equal

without red seal its better to have one on eacj

[marsh dove]

I only use calc when I’m in the final step of trying to hit naneinf and I’m trying to figure out if I get there lol

[patent sail]

with seal its equal

[marsh dove]

I cannot calculate baron mime stuff mentally the numbers get crazy

[patent sail]

i mean that one is fair 😭

no ones calucatung 1.5^whatever in their head

oh i was missing hit the road

well i didnt know

not anymore i guess

[marsh dove]

Yeah especially to e308 lol

[shell dagger]

You don’t need to calculate

Just remember that 1.5^1751 is e308

[patent sail]

🎀💗 hell yeah thanks twin

now i need to count my triggers

[knotty void]

Rate this run?

[royal bobcat]

Pants out of ten

[calm furnace]

spaceman almost triggered 60% of yhe time here 💀

not gonna sepl for nova

even nova is better than bus here

[patent sail]

i picked up green joker with hit the road

smart play

[calm furnace]

god would you look at that

preemptively making my suits black and making more jacks pays off another time

shocked-pikachu.jpeg

[calm furnace]

past 30 mult you can discard with green joker

[patent sail]

its at 0 🔥

[spark kernel]

HOLY PEAK (its a canio)

[calm furnace]

i should try to beat my streak record on yellow

shit seems free

[unreal topaz]

htr is good with a pair/high card enabler

[patent sail]

well it takes discards

[unreal topaz]

yeah

[patent sail]

and green joker doesnt like that

[unreal topaz]

you dont need it now

you need the xmult maybe starting ante 6? later if you find another xmult joker or blue seals

[patent sail]

i didnt even think picking up green, i just was like "oh thats a good one"

[old saffron]

I needed 253 points........

[calm furnace]

balatro is a simple game

you sell square joker and you win

[strange abyss]

square joker is good wdym?

[calm furnace]

me when i play 5 hand to be as half good as a single mercury

its good i just love to hate on it

[strange abyss]

It's a slightly worse mercury for all hands

[calm furnace]

i use the same logic for runner

runner is not a straight joker

because a single saturn is 2 runner hands

[patent sail]

yeah he looks gay

[strange abyss]

yeah it's basically a worse saturn for all hands

[calm furnace]

well do the math for square

[vagrant pike]

was this setup good or nah (im about to die btw)

[calm furnace]

saturn vs runner
mercury vs square 💀

i like square with brainrot builds of spamming hc

[vagrant pike]

and this was one of the highest runs I've gotten

[patent sail]

cpuld use xmult

you only got flat +mult

no scalers either

[old saffron]

you definitely needed a x mult joker

[patent sail]

scaling chips/mult ✅

[vagrant pike]

whats the difference? i dont really know alot about balatro

[patent sail]

xmult is x2

[vagrant pike]

but thanks tho

[patent sail]

+mult is +2

[vagrant pike]

oh

[patent sail]

xmult is any multiplicative mult

you usually want to have some +mult and then some xmult

[vagrant pike]

oh thanks

[patent sail]

also scaling mults are very very good too, like ride the bus, green joker, red card, flash card etc

[vagrant pike]

ohhhh that makes so much more sense

[patent sail]

and chips i guess

and xmult

anything scaling

its fine to take set flat mult/chips early on but you want strong xmult and/or anything scaling long term

[vagrant pike]

thanks

[patent sail]

red card here is very good btw

[calm furnace]

ugh half joker + blackboard aint it

[vagrant pike]

yea it has +45 muti

[patent sail]

one of the best scalers imo

[vagrant pike]

and with gros Micheal that'd other +15 muti

but i had a flush build

and I cant make other hands other than high card

[patent sail]

flushes are good, but pair is THE most optimal hand

which is a shame because thats borinh

but it is what it is

[vagrant pike]

yea my first win was a two pair build

[rose wolf]

my first win was a pair build iirc

[vagrant pike]

tuff

[patent sail]

two pair is okay, but i wouldnt go for it if i dont have the pants jonkler

[rose wolf]

hold on lemme find what i used for my first winning run

[patent sail]

yup pants are fire

another tuff scaler

[vagrant pike]

what does it do again? I forgot

[patent sail]

and square omg

you got the good ones

[patent sail]

+2 mult per two pair played

[vagrant pike]

oh thanks

[patent sail]

scalers are a must ✅✅✅✅

[vagrant pike]

yea ur right lmao

[late oasis]

i won three times just using two pairs lmao

[rose wolf]

i had loyalty card, half joker, jolly joker, sly joker, and mr. bones. admittedly not that great but i was new to the game at the time

[patent sail]

try to get out of non scaling stuff as soon ad you can tbh

its good early but doesnt do much long term

[vagrant pike]

tuff

[late oasis]

was also quite new, so yeah

[patent sail]

and look for any xmult available, something like constellation/cavendish/blackboard/hologram/card sharp

[vagrant pike]

also do u think misprint is a good joker for any build

[patent sail]

nah, its okay as a starter tho

[late oasis]

only for early game

[vagrant pike]

oh alr

[late oasis]

id sell it at ante 3 or 4

[vagrant pike]

fair

[patent sail]

also i hope you already know what happens after gros michel dies, right?

[autumn goblet]

Cavendish my beloved

[late oasis]

what happens again

[vagrant pike]

yea it let's cavendish spawn right?

[patent sail]

x3 mult cavendisj

[patent sail]

yup

[vagrant pike]

yea

[late oasis]

k

[vagrant pike]

imma just play a high card ace

[patent sail]

take gros early if possible, if it dies you get a chance at free decent xmult

[vagrant pike]

thet was useless i didn't even get over a 1000 score

[calm furnace]

oh

sheesh

adding jacks and making my deck black sucks

i will never win gold stake doing that

[vagrant pike]

well I gtg

cya

[patent sail]

cya 🎉🎉

[calm furnace]

i scored 4 times what VV needed with one hand 💀

i didnt even get lucky with the draw

only discarded 5 jacks out of 13

[cerulean spoke]

what are stone cards used for

[late oasis]

gives you like 50 chips

i never use them lol

[calm furnace]

to win

[cerulean spoke]

im watching yt and the guy got tower and said its amazing

[calm furnace]

tower?

[cerulean spoke]

i dont really get why

[somber barn]

I mean, it can be

[cerulean spoke]

ye

[calm furnace]

what the hell is tower

[somber barn]

A card that can make a stone card

[calm furnace]

ah the tarot

[late oasis]

only like anythings with 4 cards played max

[calm furnace]

its godlike

gives 50 chips, blocks a card from rebate

[cerulean spoke]

wym blocks a card

[calm furnace]

stone cards have no rank or suit

rebate cannot pick a stone card

[unreal topaz]

what jokers did he have?

[calm furnace]

4 stone cards with stone joker and a single played stone card is worth 40 hands of square joker 💀

[late oasis]

it has to be the stone jocker i think

[unreal topaz]

if he had idol then it's because turning a card stone removes it from idol's consideration

[unreal topaz]

stone joker sure, maybe

maybe doing plasma and chips only

[calm furnace]

chad + stone card is almost all the chips you need

stone cards are really really really fucking good

[unreal topaz]

yep

which is why tower only makes one

[cerulean spoke]

baron mime acrobat invis and fist

[calm furnace]

gold > lucky > stone > everything else

[terse vale]

bonus gotta be in there too

[calm furnace]

early game sure, but a single stone card is worth almsot 2 bonus cards

[cerulean spoke]

so did he like the stone card cuz it gets a lot of chips from nothing with a high mult from baron?

[unreal topaz]

so it could be removing the rank from a future mail in rebate's consideration, it could be just to get chips if high card is low level

or both

[calm furnace]

stone cards just add a lot of utlity for both beating ante 8

[terse vale]

i’m not saying bonus cards are better but should still be on there

[calm furnace]

and for potential endless

[calm furnace]

yeah i love me some bonus cards

[unreal topaz]

fs, they're underrated

[calm furnace]

early game bonus cards are insanely clutch when you dont have mercury

[late oasis]

id go with them sometimes but only with reapeating jokers for more rng

[unreal topaz]

bonus/stone cards have also def helped me beat violet vessel multiple times

[misty karma]

trying to go for a new highscore, do i keep mail in reate or go for midas mask? (photochad, mime, dna, mail. ante 9)

[calm furnace]

yeah lack of chips options made stone and bonus goated

[misty karma]

ive lowk never used stone cards

[calm furnace]

one of the best enchanements in the game 💀

[unreal topaz]

dna can make more purple seals ig, maybe mime goes and you just use the money to find blueprints and baron first

[calm furnace]

oh also stone cards are easy scaling for mr vamp

[unreal topaz]

dna prob gets sold soon bc the purple seals can do its job without taking up the joker slot

[misty karma]

lowk didnt consider that 🤔

[unreal topaz]

as long as you get enough

which you should be able to somewhat quickly

[misty karma]

im guessing i keep dnaing the purple glass cards

[unreal topaz]

well midas is there

[calm furnace]

destroy all kings

make jacks

win

[unreal topaz]

so they become purple gold

[misty karma]

but no hands 🥀

[unreal topaz]

which is prob better

at that stage

[misty karma]

alr

i still need to play a 2 glasses tho to beat antes

[cerulean spoke]

why did u merge enchantment and enhancement in one word

[calm furnace]

power of dyslexia

[misty karma]

alr so ill remove mime for midas

wait

but then the glass becomes gold

[unreal topaz]

mime does give you money i guess

[unreal topaz]

is that bad?

do you need the points?

[misty karma]

i cant hit 220 otherwise tho

cause im just playing gold cards

this build aint got it to get 220

[silk tapir]

I forgot to move Pants but +50 is probably negligible with so many Kings in hand lmao

[royal bobcat]

i would put many many things above stone

steel
gold
lucky
glass

are all above stone

[unreal topaz]

so you do need the glass then

[misty karma]

yea nah idk how u even get this good

[unreal topaz]

yep

[royal bobcat]

idk why this was sent

[calm furnace]

not really

what will glass do when your base mult is shit

or steel

[misty karma]

yea

[calm furnace]

for winning ante 8 stone is better

[silk tapir]

double investment skip greed

[royal bobcat]

and what will stone do when your chips are already good

[misty karma]

how would u score 220k without glass cards atp?

[calm furnace]

its like there is very few chips options in the game

[royal bobcat]

if you always take the scenario where x thing is bad then yeah sure in that one situation its bad

[unreal topaz]

glass is good for card removal early

[misty karma]

im prolly playing like stupidly unoptimal so theres a lot of ifs and buts

[calm furnace]

its nice to have

glass would be much better if spectrals destroying glass counted for glass joker

[royal bobcat]

it'd be like saying burnt is bad because burglar exists like come on bro

[unreal topaz]

also glass is a compelling reason to try to play stuff like 4 of a kind

[calm furnace]

but this is not fixed yet

[royal bobcat]

planets?

you get planets every run

and if you don't then you should

[misty karma]

lvl.20 straight ❤️

[misty karma]

im saving that

[calm furnace]

yes planets are always guaranteed to give you your most played hand because telescope is on by default

[royal bobcat]

this isn't twitter and thats not what im doing but whatever

[amber heart]

i did it !!!!!!!

[unreal topaz]

like one glass doesnt do that much but if you can play 2 or 3, maybe with some steel, sometimes a chad

[misty karma]

holy w

[royal bobcat]

i think it's really interesting how people all agree that blue seals and planets are the strongest things in the game then go around saying glass and steel is worse than stone hmm

really makes a man ponder

[calm furnace]

glass and chad is basically what photograph wishes to be

[amber heart]

extremely clutch btw

i was being outscaled this ante

[misty karma]

how would i get a build that gives me the mult without using glass?

[amber heart]

but this is the ante where i found burglar and retcon

[unreal topaz]

blue seals earlier

[misty karma]

and u scale straights?

[leaden reef]

dawg im crying

[unreal topaz]

4oak is easier once you get more tarot cards, i've done straights temporarily before but 4oak is usually easier

[patent sail]

ight i assume acrobat dies? havent used him once

[misty karma]

just piulled up a dr spectered nane inf vid wtf mans got everything already done

[unreal topaz]

what deck/stake are you doing btw?

[calm furnace]

sell square its doing nohitng

[misty karma]

white

[calm furnace]

+20 💀

[patent sail]

twin

[misty karma]

im just trying to get a new high score

[unreal topaz]

what deck?

[misty karma]

gotta have the highest in the group

plasma

[unreal topaz]

plasma i'd think

[strange compass]

It's sad that Twitter now isn't the ONLY place where this happens

[calm furnace]

acrobat is a clutch

[calm furnace]

fr

[strange compass]

Rlly?

I think it's kinda mid

[calm furnace]

x3 is x3

[patent sail]

its either acro or blue, blue does things rn and acro doesnt yet

[calm furnace]

if acrobat is your only xMult yeah its mid

[unreal topaz]

yeah usually you can be like really greedy on plasma white, and 4 of a kind is feasible

[calm furnace]

but acrobat + already existing xMult

[misty karma]

oh atp they usually have baron and the red seal golds in hand can beat it for u

ic

[strange compass]

It isn't active for 3 out of 4 of the hands

[calm furnace]

thats like x9 and more on hte last hand

[unreal topaz]

i dont hate flush five if i get earlyish hand size but four is easier

[strange compass]

When you're playing those 3 hands you basically have -1 joker

[patent sail]

man idk im killing acro, that will probably come bite me in the ass but its whatever

[calm furnace]

acrobat is like a slightly worse card sharp

[unreal topaz]

you should also be able to fix for idol in case baron is shy

[misty karma]

well looks like im balling it

[strange compass]

It's way worse

-1 joker for every hand until the last

[patent sail]

acro is like totem of undying

[unreal topaz]

at least it's less vulnerable to bosses

[patent sail]

well not reaslly

mr bones

[unreal topaz]

acrobat is more like insurance

[patent sail]

but

[torpid bridge]

Acrobat is for oneshot builds

[patent sail]

still

[misty karma]

would i try sdcale 4oak atp? or nah (3oak was bcs i had 100chip if 3oak before)

[calm furnace]

x3 on the last hand is HUGE if you have other xMult options

[strange compass]

Ig thats something

[unreal topaz]

yeah, it just scales extremely fast

[misty karma]

alr

[strange compass]

I'll try playing with it more often

[calm furnace]

just dont count on it being your only xMult

[patent sail]

fuck you immolate bro ate my blue seal

[twin rune]

There is seldom a better feeling than Acrobat or Burglar letting you outright mog The Needle

[misty karma]

well i gtg

[calm furnace]

also its BBC value

[misty karma]

ty kinda sirs

[patent sail]

i got a blue seal back crisis averted

[unreal topaz]

also if you have an early enough blue seal and get enough mars cards you can score without jokers for a while on plasma white

which is really nice

[misty karma]

Might have to try this out next naneinf run

One day Il get it 🥀

Well I've only 'tried' twice

More like just get in the E range

[unreal topaz]

i'll send a drspectred vid that covers the naneinf pacing

if you want

[misty karma]

Sure

[unreal topaz]

its loooong but informative

[misty karma]

Is it the 5smth hr one

[patent sail]

man why doesnt black hole count for constellation

[misty karma]

I saw someone mention it on the reddit guide

[unreal topaz]

https://youtu.be/drSH2ofiRcc?si=DpAbUP9QMw9o3Z4w

[misty karma]

Absolutely unplayable

[unreal topaz]

yea first part is 3 hours

[patent sail]

well i just got black hole

[vocal rose]

because it’s a spectral card

[unreal topaz]

it's a spectral card

[misty karma]

How is there so much to talk abt

[sullen aspen]

why would it tho

[patent sail]

i still took it over planets because its funny

[misty karma]

Or is it that long for consistency

[vocal rose]

it’s just that long

[patent sail]

top 10 things that will come bite me in the ass later when im 1k short

[misty karma]

Eg not just like 'get mime and baron by ante 4' thanks for watching remember to like and subscribe

[vocal rose]

he explains his thought process throughout the vid

[misty karma]

😭

[unreal topaz]

theres at least 26 antes in a naneinf run, and you generate so much money that each consecutive ante spends even more time in the shops

[vocal rose]

with the nature of roguelikes

[unreal topaz]

also its drspectred so he's grinding out every little bit of value to set a good example

[misty karma]

So its not 3hrs of just talking

[vocal rose]

this isnt that viable

[misty karma]

Like it's not that hard

[vocal rose]

it is

he’s talking the entire time

[misty karma]

Son

Get this man some water

[unreal topaz]

there's moments of waiting, he just about always has something to say tho

[calm furnace]

3 hours of

Maaaaaaaaaaybeeeeee

[misty karma]

Didn't know naneinf was that deep

Also should try do a jokerless run

[patent sail]

FUCK YOU HOOK my fucking green joker and blue seal

[calm furnace]

hook is nasty

[patent sail]

i hope hook gets sent to hell where its nothing but chicots around him

[misty karma]

Abandoned deck has gold stake

[hallow zenith]

Yo chat

Is green deck good on gold stake?

[calm furnace]

why wouldnt it be

[patent sail]

my runs about to be ended by ante 7 wall 🥹

[unreal topaz]

it's one of the most difficult imo

[autumn goblet]

i dunno I didnt find it that bad

I guess econ is slightly harder cos of less discards?

[misty karma]

Income would be hard no

[calm furnace]

green is not great

but its not bad

[unreal topaz]

later on econ is harder bc of no interest

[calm furnace]

easier than plasma and black for sure

[autumn goblet]

yeah I dunno I mean its not the easiest but I don't think its that bad

[unreal topaz]

i find finding xmult for violet vessel harder bc of this

[autumn goblet]

well black is the hardest one tbf

[misty karma]

Ironic plasma becomes so hard

[hallow zenith]

Cuz interest is extremely important on gold stake??

[calm furnace]

the freedom of not worrying about unwoke non sense like interest is great

[unreal topaz]

usually it's worth the money to discard to find stuff like gold cards, blue seals, etc

[autumn goblet]

not worrying about dropping below $20 is a freeing feeling

[misty karma]

Lol true

[unreal topaz]

and even worth the $2 per hand to burn hands later on

[autumn goblet]

true, pros and cons

[unreal topaz]

bc of this it feels more like having one and a half extra rentals later for me

[hallow zenith]

Ohh ok got it

[unreal topaz]

usually

[hallow zenith]

Thanks 🙂

[patent sail]

fuck you wall

I SCORE 140K theres a chance

[autumn goblet]

why's your supernova on +0

did u only just buy it?

[unreal topaz]

no hand selected

[patent sail]

its on +44 actually

[autumn goblet]

oh mb

ive never used a mod that lets me see those stats before

[patent sail]

i fucking killed the wall

[unreal topaz]

also not how supernova works

[autumn goblet]

true

[hallow zenith]

Your names a lie I hate flower pot more

[autumn goblet]

im tired af rn thats my excuse haha

[opaque ice]

You gotta be kidding me. This is my 5th run and I won due to an anti 3 brainstorm and a anti 4 photo chad. This is my first gold stake win

[patent sail]

cerulean bell finisher, may be over may be not

praying

[hallow zenith]

Speaking of green deck on gold stake.

[autumn goblet]

verdant leaf actually being a pain haha

[autumn goblet]

what did u sell to debuff verdant leaf?

[opaque ice]

I sold off my rental gold joker

[autumn goblet]

ah easy choice then haha

[patent sail]

rental gold joker 😭

+1 dollar

[opaque ice]

Yeah

[autumn goblet]

I love getting $1 a round

[opaque ice]

Hey money is money

[autumn goblet]

eternal rental egg

[opaque ice]

Swash bulid

👍

[patent sail]

im scoring 300k per hand the bell is DEAD

[calm furnace]

i thought i had levels in full house and lmost died

[opaque ice]

And i got Hella lucky with a sigil and got alot of hearts face cards and sun tarots

[amber heart]

the game doesnt like it if you try to keep playing after hitting naneinf apparently

[rich mauve]

swash build

[opaque ice]

Yep

[autumn goblet]

it's weird how much easier the bell is to like every other ante 8 boss

[opaque ice]

Where gift card

[patent sail]

bell suffered a horrible and painful death that it deserves

[autumn goblet]

like the difference between hitting the bell on gold stake and hitting crimson heart or violet vessel is insane

[unreal topaz]

amber acorn is even more free

verdant leaf is usually not bad

[rich mauve]

every boss is free until you lose

[amber heart]

now that ive done naneinf and ive done c++ what should i do next

[rich mauve]

I mean showdown ones

[unreal topaz]

winstreak

[autumn goblet]

Every boss is free when the goat Chicot has your back

[patent sail]

play minecraft

[unreal topaz]

thats what i did

[amber heart]

ooo ok

my best is like

3 i think

lmao

[unreal topaz]

also just play casually and enjoy the game

[amber heart]

nvm its 6 which isnt bad

[unreal topaz]

you can do better if you go for it

[calm furnace]

i fucked my streak ughh

[unreal topaz]

i'm sure

[amber heart]

yea i just usually like working with a goal in mind, like how i was trying to sticker midas a couple days ago

[calm furnace]

maddness </333

alsdjfkl

[sullen aspen]

does ectoplasm work on the typecast challenge?

[unreal topaz]

what i would do is make a new profile for specifically ante 8 gold stake winstreaking

so you can track stats there

which is interesting

[amber heart]

ooh

id have to start over but hm

[sullen aspen]

unlock everything

is an option

[unreal topaz]

you can just unlock all

[amber heart]

could be interesting

[opaque ice]

LORD HAVE MERCY ON MY SOUL

[patent sail]

bloodstone

[opaque ice]

my bulid is around hearts

[patent sail]

copy photo

[somber barn]

Lord have mercy

[patent sail]

actually no nvm

maybe bloodstone makes chad worth

meh actually idk

[light brook]

i love this game

[unreal topaz]

i mean it is prob better to copy photo until you actually need the bloodstone to start hitting

just to be safe

probably it doesnt matter

[patent sail]

yeah copy photo

[light brook]

blah blah blah photocopier joker here

[patent sail]

[light brook]

but can we address the facts

[patent sail]

my best hand is still 29,250 according to my stats

and my best ante is 5

[drifting gorge]

true
that's why violet vessel is prob the boss with the highest gap between how hard i feel it is and how hard it really is
i just always have good runs going into violet for some reason

[pine swift]

Shall i get the baron when i have natural negative dusk

[drifting gorge]

related question: why isn't a four of a kind counted as containing a two pair???

[rich mauve]

no

[rich mauve]

because you need 2 different pairs

[patent sail]

rebate trolling me today

not a single card of the rank when i had discards, after i used all discards it drew 3 of them

[drifting gorge]

ah ok

[quick cloak]

bro what have i acquired

[dusty void]

Yo quick question

[quick cloak]

its just shit

🤣🤣🤣

[dusty void]

Literally 😭

[somber barn]

Caca

[dusty void]

Can you get a soul in the shop with ghost deck

[quick cloak]

seems i must build steel kings now

[patent sail]

i hope psychic blind dies in a horrific car accident

[dusty void]

Nobody talks about the fish enough

[patent sail]

how does one achieve this build

[dusty void]

That mf ends so many of my runs

[patent sail]

its tasty