🕹・game-discussion

[vocal rose]

which is game winning

[peak plinth]

My Cavendish 💔💔💔

[vocal rose]

it isn’t next to them

it’s below them

[tawdry rock]

i meant same tier

[queen current]

it can however the problem is actually getting it to appear

[crude fiber]

Why do people hate kn party joker

[tawdry rock]

throwback?

[vocal rose]

it’s a rare joker

[tawdry rock]

honestly i dont hate the guy hes good

[vocal rose]

it’s the same rarity as any other rare

[exotic orchid]

I have a bad news for you.

[eager prawn]

Best when ur rushing ez win

[crude fiber]

Or whatever its called

[sharp plank]

It forces you to play like 50 unique hands

[crude fiber]

Ye

[vocal rose]

10-13*

you play like 14 pairs

and then you play EVERY other hand

[tawdry rock]

putting it ABOVE BRAINSTORM in the tier list is genuinely mental hospital levels of insane

[vocal rose]

it isn’t that hard

[vocal rose]

no it really isn’t

[crude fiber]

First blind is very skippable you dont make much money in early antes

[vocal rose]

once you start realizing the value gen and comparing them in gold stake context

[sharp plank]

Too much to ask of a flush five and pair spammer

[vocal rose]

bruh

[eager prawn]

Anyone who mainly plays high card and flush five?

[tawdry rock]

youre telling me you'd rather have an obelisk appear in an ante 20 run with baron mime than a brainstorm

[sharp plank]

Me

[vocal rose]

so we aren’t reading anymore

^

[crude fiber]

Also I always take neg joker skips

[vocal rose]

OH MY GOD YES

[tawdry rock]

still man at gold stake

[vocal rose]

FINALLY

[queen current]

bro

[tawdry rock]

its insane to have brainstorm below obelisk

[vocal rose]

no it isn’t

lmfao

you’re endless pilled

[crude fiber]

2/10 bait

[obsidian patrol]

if i dont have brainstorm in ante 20 i am dead

[queen current]

gonna be $2 per discard watch

[tawdry rock]

im correctpilled thank you very much

[vocal rose]

this isn’t bait

[tawdry rock]

with a showman i mean

[sharp plank]

Brainstorm and blueprint are the two best jokers in the game

[obsidian patrol]

i dont think obelisk is above brainstorm but i can see it

[eager prawn]

Who even use spare trousers

[vocal rose]

they aren’t

[obsidian patrol]

they are only as good as the things they copy

[sharp plank]

Me

[eager prawn]

Gay

[vocal rose]

blueprint doesn’t even touch top 3

[obsidian patrol]

rebate is easily the best joker in the game

[vocal rose]

and brainstorm doesn’t touch top 10

[crude fiber]

They can copy a lot of good shit

[vocal rose]

they’re still amazing jokers

[tawdry rock]

-50/10 bait

[sharp plank]

Pan. I’m actually pan

[vocal rose]

don’t get it twisted

[acoustic kettle]

Rebate is rebate

Rebate tier

[queen current]

nvm obelisk, whats blackboard doing there?

[vocal rose]

you’re getting ignored if you aren’t gonna say anything of value

[crude fiber]

Worst bait ever, asked to leave the propaganda convention

[obsidian patrol]

speaking of endless i got a new high score time to not touch it for several months

[acoustic kettle]

Best 3x mult behind cavendish

[sharp plank]

I can understand that

[vocal rose]

3x mult

[queen current]

is it?

[obsidian patrol]

its one of the best xmults??

[acoustic kettle]

It is

[vocal rose]

with one of the easiest conditions to activate it

[crude fiber]

Goes hard on flush runs

[tawdry rock]

okay before i say this next thing keep in mind im not arguing and instead having a Civil Discussion about Ranking Gold Stake Jokers

[vestal copper]

quog

[vocal rose]

it’s practically cavendish

[peak plinth]

I just lost my run because Cavendish went extinct

[eager prawn]

On fire

[vestal copper]

bp is joated

[tawdry rock]

blueprint and brainstorm are as good as the best joker you can think of

[acoustic kettle]

Cavendish without the chance of it breaking

[crude fiber]

Damn

[sharp plank]

Once you deckfix

[exotic orchid]

You pay money to discard. 🔥

[vestal copper]

crazy

[vocal rose]

idk the blueprint doesn’t support the idf

i don’t think

[obsidian patrol]

you need 1 world and or the moon card

[acoustic kettle]

You don't need deckfixing for blackboard

[vocal rose]

you don’t need any deck fixing if you’re running pairs and using discards properly

[queen current]

idk, every time i use blackboard i end up having a terrible hand and it never works

[acoustic kettle]

Well you can to make it even more free

[sharp plank]

Still a good idea to do so

[obsidian patrol]

just dont play flushes

[acoustic kettle]

Play pairs

[crude fiber]

Support the what

[obsidian patrol]

just stop playing flushes

[vocal rose]

if you’re running flushes or full house

[eager prawn]

Why

[vocal rose]

yeah

it’s ass

[tawdry rock]

jupiter is my most used planet card

[vocal rose]

noob trap

[tawdry rock]

i CANNOT stop using flushes

[obsidian patrol]

its a bad hand

noob bait

[tawdry rock]

it hurts me physically

[eager prawn]

What about high card?

[acoustic kettle]

Pairs scale harder

[vocal rose]

viable

[sharp plank]

My goat

[crude fiber]

Blueprint AND Flush slander?

[vocal rose]

but pairs are better

[obsidian patrol]

its good but pairs are better

[acoustic kettle]

Almost the same hit rate

[crude fiber]

What has society come to

[eager prawn]

I just addicted

[vocal rose]

nobody is slandering blueprint

it just isn’t top 1

it’s top 5

which is VERY good

[proven ember]

I hate playing straights

[acoustic kettle]

Blueprint is good but with ass jokers it is ass

[queen current]

i need to get into this pair meta wtf

[crude fiber]

Thats slander

[exotic orchid]

High cards are risky with obelisk. What if you dont have a hand and out of discards. Pairs are safe.

[vocal rose]

ok

[crude fiber]

Dont pair it with ass jokers

[tawdry rock]

blueprint is as good as the best joker you can think of

and so is brainstorm

[crude fiber]

Its about the potential

[vocal rose]

Not brainstorm

[acoustic kettle]

You can't always choose

[crude fiber]

And even with ass jokers its still good

[crude fiber]

Well yeah in that case obelisk is more ass

[vestal copper]

bp is kinda just doubling all of your jokers if done right

[queen current]

actually id like to argue something

[obsidian patrol]

all the flush levels are before i was competent at the game

[eager prawn]

Abandoned deck user's nightmare

[queen current]

why is flower pot not in d

[vocal rose]

the way brainstorm works makes it unoptimal for copying when you have +mult and xmult (you usually do)

[acoustic kettle]

? What's the correlation?

[crude fiber]

Why are pairs so praised

Whats the build

[vocal rose]

just by how it copies

[vocal rose]

scaling jokers

[queen current]

flower pot is so cheeks id argue its the worst joker or at least bottom 5

[acoustic kettle]

It can work

It is bad

[vocal rose]

it can work

[acoustic kettle]

But not like

Idol level

[vocal rose]

but it is cheeks

[crude fiber]

Because you cant always choose what hands tou play too

[obsidian patrol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA_DiPpJkX8 this video explains it well

[tawdry rock]

can we all just unanimously agree

baron is so bad

[acoustic kettle]

Ye

[queen current]

ok well idol is way worse

[vocal rose]

please don’t give a shit take

OH HE DIDNT

[tawdry rock]

im awesome like that

[vocal rose]

yes

[crude fiber]

Baron

[obsidian patrol]

i cant believe it

[crude fiber]

Its not THAT bad

[obsidian patrol]

yes it is

[crude fiber]

But I never take it

[queen current]

uh which one is baron

[acoustic kettle]

Just anything but pairs

[vocal rose]

it is

[acoustic kettle]

That's it

[tawdry rock]

f tier joker

so bad

[eager prawn]

Only if you could use it in wrong way

[obsidian patrol]

1.5x mult for each king held in hand

[vocal rose]

1.5x mult per king held in hand

pre scoring jokers

[queen current]

oh i just call that one king

[acoustic kettle]

Baron is way more valuable than idol though

[queen current]

yeah that thing is bad

[vocal rose]

but it’s not uncommon :(

[tawdry rock]

you can literally do NOTHING with that until youve got really good deckfixing and a mime which is being copied by blueprints

[obsidian patrol]

trash vs garbage

[acoustic kettle]

True

[queen current]

somehow baron is my only white stake joker

[crude fiber]

Its only good for those crazy white stake runs

[vocal rose]

yeah so that don’t matter

it’s sum cheeks

[tawdry rock]

okay heres an antarctica level take

FUCK seance

[eager prawn]

Vampire + Midas mask combo?

[vocal rose]

tbf I could move it and throwback to like D tier

[acoustic kettle]

You can stumble into a baron run for ante 8, not with idol

[vocal rose]

but

they’re ass

[vocal rose]

we love yorick

[sharp plank]

Agreed

[vocal rose]

and we love glass joker

[vestal copper]

its true

[tawdry rock]

seance is TERRIBLE

[sharp plank]

Peak combo

[tawdry rock]

DOGSHIT

[queen current]

i love glass joker but it never shows up for me

[exotic orchid]

Bloodstone slander.

[tawdry rock]

wtf pareidolia in f

[sharp plank]

Horse shit

[acoustic kettle]

Well throwback got indirectly buffed by orange stake

[eager prawn]

Y'all hating photograph these days? T.T

[acoustic kettle]

It has some uses

[vestal copper]

nobody ever uses seance

[obsidian patrol]

slander like it isnt only decent with oops

[vocal rose]

very good

[obsidian patrol]

what does it even do

[sharp plank]

Not me

[vestal copper]

midas mask rn:

[vocal rose]

I think this is roughly decent but you have hit the road at d tier

which is crazy

[vestal copper]

canio rn:

[sharp plank]

Enables photochad hack

[vocal rose]

has some usage cases

which doesn’t make it useless

[tawdry rock]

mfw i get a straight flush on accident and seance comes in with the hot flaming incantation

[obsidian patrol]

a few niche ones

[vocal rose]

and it’s uncommon

[obsidian patrol]

its not useless

but its not good

at all

[vocal rose]

yes

yes and yes

but we have things like idol

[obsidian patrol]

it makes midas mask slightly better

[acoustic kettle]

Triboulet in B for based

[vocal rose]

which have ZERO usage cases

[obsidian patrol]

it makes canio about the same

[vocal rose]

the fact that it actually has some “decent” value puts it in like C tier

[obsidian patrol]

you NEED ONE FACE CARD FOR PHOTOCHAD

YOU DONT NEED

[tawdry rock]

who uses incantation btw

[obsidian patrol]

PARADIOILIA

FOR

PHOTOCHAD

[tawdry rock]

other than for hologrammaxxing

[eager prawn]

What you guy usually use like the world, the star,the moon or the sun?

[vestal copper]

idol is gonna be reworked isnt it

[vocal rose]

the world

[vocal rose]

probably not

[acoustic kettle]

The spade one

[eager prawn]

The word!

[acoustic kettle]

Thunk said he hated it

[queen current]

glad people realized chicot is actually quite decent

[tawdry rock]

depends on what jokers i get, i dont choose the suit balatro chooses for me

but my personal favorite is spades

then hearts

then clubs

[vocal rose]

it’s amazing

[tawdry rock]

then FUCK diamonds

[eager prawn]

I just felt weird when my deck is full of Queen of Spade

[sharp plank]

The sun

[queen current]

im more of a clubs guy

[acoustic kettle]

Hearts has the worst suit joker though

[queen current]

i like onyx

[obsidian patrol]

depends on what suit boss ive seen but usually the world

[acoustic kettle]

It is blacks then diamond and hearts

[eager prawn]

Bro is stand user

[sharp plank]

So please fuck my diamonds so hard

[vocal rose]

chicot in A tier is weird since it’s amazing, cloud 9 below golden joker, rough gem, business card

[tawdry rock]

Leave the room.

[vocal rose]

stencil above lucky cat, vampire

[sharp plank]

No

[vocal rose]

like these are some rough picks

[tawdry rock]

Exit the building.

[vestal copper]

idol is actually the worst in the game ngl

[obsidian patrol]

look its an old tier list i didnt check everything

[vocal rose]

yeah that’s fine

but I assume you posted it for some critique

[sharp plank]

Go fuck your self

[obsidian patrol]

yeah

let me change it a bit

[tawdry rock]

Evacuate the premises.

[sharp plank]

Smd

[vocal rose]

I mean just keep posting it until you like it

you’ll still get slander but you can probably defend your choices

if you can’t then it can be moved which is good

[tawdry rock]

Expel yourself from the territory.

[eager prawn]

[obsidian patrol]

yeah

[eager prawn]

[fathom leaf]

Who is asking about the spell? I can teach you one

[vocal rose]

i’m pretty solid in my tierlist

there are some minor nitpicks that can be changed

[sharp plank]

Stfu and suck a big black dong

[tawdry rock]

Set sail from the area.

[tawdry rock]

Vacate the district.

[sharp plank]

No u

[tawdry rock]

Abandon the region.

[median gust]

I’m doing my part on this run

[sharp plank]

Suck a dick

[median gust]

Trying to win

The ank clones dusk if I delete everything but dusk

[vocal rose]

yes and you lose

[tawdry rock]

Desert the expanse.

[vocal rose]

if you do that

[median gust]

yeah that’s what I was thinking tbh

But what if I delete dusk? Then I could have another x3

Right now, I just got the negative Midas mask so i could have 3^4

Times mult

[tawdry rock]

sorry are you suggesting

[tired silo]

I can't remember if BP works better on Chad or Photo. I think its Chad right? I haven't used this combo in a while since its so free but I need to beat this stake

[tawdry rock]

you sell all your jokers but dusk

just to ankh the dusk

[median gust]

I sell all jokers even dusk

[tawdry rock]

what why

[median gust]

so that all 3 negative jokers are x3

and I get another x3

[tawdry rock]

?????

x3 of what

[rapid mortar]

You guys, what are you gathered here for?

[vestal copper]

on photo its better

[tawdry rock]

ohhh

yeah dont

dont do that

[median gust]

ok ok thanks

[tawdry rock]

just find a showman

[median gust]

showman 😎

thanks!

[tawdry rock]

hes fucking terrible he'll probably give you copies of himself

[rapid mortar]

表演者

[tawdry rock]

but way better than throwing out most of your jokers to get another measly x3

[forest scroll]

Where am I!!

[glossy mortar]

Holy shit! That was the tightest game of my life! I was 100% going to die to Violet Vessel but then at the last second found a Cavendish which secured a barely possible win.

However that isn’t the most insane part. The most insane part is INSTANTLY after beating the boss Cavendish EXPIRED!!!

I hit a 1/1000 chance on this game on the last round!

[crude fiber]

You could go for a flush house build

But it might be too late idk

[radiant mason]

What triples!

[warm igloo]

What kind of thing did you encounter?

[glossy mortar]

I feel like there should be an achievement for that.

Like I’m sorry but hitting Cavendish should give you a reward. That is more rare than catching a shiny Pokémon nowadays.

[terse basin]

Go away

[timid pendant]

parallel universe

[reef gulch]

Wormhole shuttle

[prime umbra]

What did you say

[median gust]

No worries i managed to lose anyway

[peak plinth]

Balatro making it easy for me😌

[peak plinth]

A shame I didnt find a negative skip

[dapper oyster]

Let me see how many of you win at most once

[obsidian patrol]

changed it a bit if anyone gaf

[red spindle]

You can't win

[coral sonnet]

Gambler, it's almost dawn

[crude fiber]

Why is triboulet a tier

[queen elbow]

Aren't you people sleepy?

[obsidian patrol]

cause it isnt that good

i mean its good

but not S tier good

[dreamy birch]

Whatever the hint, she has made it clear to you

[crude fiber]

Time zones

[pine schooner]

I saw it, who said to perform?

[crude fiber]

Id say s tier not s+

Its strong with face card build especially with glass cards

[spice scaffold]

Hi, how are you

[white topaz]

Which of you has seen the sea

[obsidian patrol]

I forgot to respond but this message made me mad cause every tarot is a stand not just the world

[crude fiber]

Got 3-4 billion per hand in ante 11 on purple stake

[crude fiber]

Who are you moana

[granite coyote]

guys what are we taking?

[obsidian patrol]

the hologram gambit

[peak plinth]

Im taking holographic alll day

[river pulsar]

Bring nothing

[crude fiber]

Holographic

Easy mult

[granite coyote]

alr alr, we will see how it goes

[rapid umbra]

buy the 7 dollar one

[peak plinth]

Hope youre good at surviving 1st ante without scoring jokers

[crude fiber]

Should be fine

[rough cipher]

What kind of card is this?

[crude fiber]

You gotta get those asap though

[crude fiber]

Adds x0.25 per joker added to deck

Just open standard packs

Or use dna

[peak plinth]

Marbel joker 🙂

[crude fiber]

Yeah nice synergy

Wait no

I thought of another joker

[peak plinth]

Marble*

[granite coyote]

34GU3ZVT seed if anyone is interested

[crude fiber]

Still nice synergy

[obsidian patrol]

certificate goat

[peak plinth]

Certificate is goated

Adding value cards to the deck always

[crude fiber]

I havent even unlocked that one yet

[fresh pebble]

Madness deck when?

[crude fiber]

Isnt it bad for deck fixing

[fresh pebble]

Yes but seals are op

[sick steppe]

What did you change?

[fringe nebula]

certificate pair build beloved

[obsidian patrol]

seals are overpowered

just play pairs

[fresh pebble]

^

[crude fiber]

True

[solar cradle]

Are there any more powerful cards?

[fringe nebula]

vagabond

[fresh pebble]

Ok everyone favorite jokers is madness right?

[fringe nebula]

mine is vagabond

and blackboard

[fickle quail]

How powerful are you?

[fresh pebble]

Vagabond credit card woosh

[obsidian patrol]

yeah every vagabond run is very fun

[fresh pebble]

Oh just beat ghost on Gold stake

[fringe nebula]

nice

how many decks left

[fresh pebble]

All except plasma

I beat plasma too

Lowkey I think a madness deck would be cool

Madness is my favorite joker

[quick cloak]

is this rhe order if i wanna maximise burnt

the blueprint copies storm which copies burnt?

or does it not work like that

[fresh pebble]

Wouldn't storm copy burnt?

Since burn is all the way to the left

[quick cloak]

yeah

mistyped

wud blueprint copy burnt like this ?

or wud it js gain storms ability

[fresh pebble]

Does it say compatible?

Blueprint

[quick cloak]

yeah

[fresh pebble]

Then ges

Yes*

[quick cloak]

okay ty

[fresh pebble]

Also fellow rocket enjoyer

You get so much money I love rocket so much

[quick cloak]

yeah i never rly used it

till now

but damn

it is giving me bank

i underestimated it

i was so sad u cudnt copy rocket

infinite money glitch fr lol

[kind creek]

do I deja vu my 2 of clubs and copy it with death?
do I cryptid to get more 2s?
or do I ankh my rocket because the wee is rental?
Rocker was here since ante 1, we beat window (debuffed diamonds) together.

[kind creek]

next up is the wall, my only level is lvl2 two pair. chat, am I cooked?

[untold onyx]

Mhhh well maybe yeah with 0 money

[kind creek]

well I would get 6 extra for both small and big blind if I ank rocket

12 total

this is the shop after window

before small blind

[untold onyx]

Ah right, thought the next blind was wall

Mhh scale your wee I guess

Copy 2s

And get some decent mult in the meanwhile

[kind creek]

this has GOTTA be the smoothest sailing from here if I actually beat wall

no

nvm

wee is rental, it just turns my rocket off for now

[untold onyx]

Idk what to tell you this seems like a pretty dry run

[kind creek]

oh I just realised the voucher is heiroglyph

I am going double rocket

this solves all of my problems

[untold onyx]

Yeah best choice probably, didn't see the rental sticker

[kind creek]

weakness on the wall

Rocket scailing (×2)

hell yeah

I got walkie talkie and +chips for two pair

If I just play 10 10 4 4 I can oneshot it

[untold onyx]

Eeh you probably have something going yeah

[sleek agate]

one of the most vile decks ive played

straight up steamrolled the entire game

only played 26 hands in the entire run

[kind creek]

would a rental campfire be funny with 2 ante 1 rockets?

also I got grabber

[royal bobcat]

average blackboard const rrun

[royal bobcat]

thats a brainless pick

in my humblest opinion

[sleek agate]

it's that and stuntman

early stuntman and a wheel just hit the 1.5x on it

was hitting 20k on a single hand in ante 3

[stiff ore]

.... t think im okay with this lol

[hardy fable]

I heard my name

[oak axle]

Should I take Baron??
Optimized run 1st pic current run 2nd pic last run imo

[quick cloak]

whats hr deck like

[royal bobcat]

do you play the same seed multiple times

also no

[oak axle]

2nd time since I got lucky

[royal bobcat]

is that hack natural negative

[oak axle]

Skip

Lol

[royal bobcat]

not very optimized 😔

[oak axle]

But this

Should I take Baron?

[royal bobcat]

still no

you play 5 kings

with 8 hand size

baron would be like 5x

its not

nearly enough to be valuable

not to mention the overall bloatedness of the deck

i guess if it's 3 kings with red seals it'd be x24 on top of the trib

but even then you're better off trying to find an invis joker or idol or stuntman

[shell dagger]

I hope you took that sock

[oak axle]

Better to print with DNA than nothing lol

[oak axle]

?

[royal bobcat]

erm scroll up more

☝️

[shell dagger]

oops

early in the morning

[oak axle]

Hmmm?

I have some red steel kings

[royal bobcat]

baron isn't going to make you live longer

not to mention trib scores more than baron in general

[oak axle]

But I only got my poly red seal glass just this ante

[royal bobcat]

going both into baron and trib is pointless

they want completely opposite things

you'd have to split your ressources for mid results

instead of leaning in the exponential scaling of going all in trib

[shell dagger]

i mean baron is also exponential scaling

but ye u don’t want to mix the 2

[royal bobcat]

yeah but they alr have neg trib

going baron with a neg trib would be blasphemy

[shell dagger]

still the move if you want a high score

[royal bobcat]

is baron better than trib? really?

[shell dagger]

for high scores ofc

[royal bobcat]

i thought idol runs had higher peaks than baron runs

[shell dagger]

trib is only better until you start doing hand size shenanigans

[shell dagger]

lol definitely not

[royal bobcat]

due to being able to use more ectos

[shell dagger]

the brainstorm highest score of e460000 is a baron cryptid ankh ecto build

unseeded high score is also baron mime

[royal bobcat]

i mean sure you can make 600 cryptids

[iron barn]

the base handsize difference isn't really that much
usually baron rerolls for serpent anyway

[royal bobcat]

hm i guess

i still think using 600 cryptids is a shady way to prove baron is better

"better" you get what i mean

[shell dagger]

you asked for peak performance…

[royal bobcat]

its true

but i didn't expect to go in that field

im not saying youre wrong

im saying thats not what i imagined

[shell dagger]

anyway im pretty sure the seeded records use acrobat for scoring

if you’ve got 400 blueprints you don’t need anything else for scoring in the first 39 antes

[royal bobcat]

how do you get 400 blueprints and get to live 39 antes

[shell dagger]

be drdreamo

make money -> roll shop for cola -> get negative copy jokers -> make more money

repeat

[royal bobcat]

no but like genuinely how the fuck you get this many bps without ankh ecto spamming

cola rolling?

[shell dagger]

yes

[royal bobcat]

hm

[shell dagger]

then negative tags

[peak plinth]

Guess what flush im trying to get

[royal bobcat]

thats probably extremely time consuming

[crude fiber]

Shit happens every time

[royal bobcat]

not playing pair strikes again

[oak axle]

@royal bobcat

Do u have any vodka for me

[humble dune]

A story of a man going crazy

[oak axle]

Should I take?

[shell dagger]

no

[oak axle]

Why

I thought this joker gud

[royal bobcat]

it is

not for what youre doing

[oak axle]

??

I'm doing flush five build

[royal bobcat]

youre more after kings than flushes

[oak axle]

??

huh

[royal bobcat]

sure take it whatever

make 10 kings of each suit

[oak axle]

;-;

[royal bobcat]

thats whwat youll have to do if you pick it up

for 1.5x

when trib is 2x

you're better off making your deck ready for idol than taking ancient joekr

[vestal copper]

somebody needs to make a resource pack that makes all names literal

[royal bobcat]

i cant code :(

[vestal copper]

😔 me neither

[crude fiber]

Why would you do that

[shell dagger]

to throw

[royal bobcat]

because they want to take ancient joker

so that's what theyd have to do

[vestal copper]

baron rot

[royal bobcat]

i hate baron on god

[crude fiber]

Doesnt the ancient joker stay at one suit if all your cards are of one suit

[royal bobcat]

no

[crude fiber]

Or is it just idol

Oh ok

[royal bobcat]

its deck agnostic

its the only joker that does this iirc

[crude fiber]

I thought it was like idol

Its completely shit then

[royal bobcat]

castle, rebate, idol only pick cards/suits you have

[oak axle]

Isn't it specific??

Like ancient is gonna choose

On what cards u have

Mm

??

[royal bobcat]

ancient joker will still select spades even if you have no spades

[royal bobcat]

no it's actually really good

not the effect

but the joker

its bloodstone but it works twice as often on average and cannot fail you

[crude fiber]

Can you lock the rank of idol though

[vestal copper]

baron fucking sucks

[royal bobcat]

yes

to you both

no ambiguity here

[crude fiber]

Wym

[royal bobcat]

ancient joker is a really good joker

probably one of the best ones out there

[crude fiber]

I guess if you’re doing a rainbow build

[lost vault]

meow

:3

[royal bobcat]

not even

[crude fiber]

But with flushes isnt it a 1 in a 4 chance

[lost vault]

polychrome build?

[lost vault]

what

[royal bobcat]

you know what ancient joker wants before the round even starts

just try to go for the flushes it wants

[lost vault]

ancient joker is really good with vanilla esque decks

an even spread of 4 suits

you dont need wilds

[royal bobcat]

ancient joker asks very little of you

[lost vault]

you dont need a 1 in 4

[royal bobcat]

which is why it's so good

[lost vault]

you can always hit 5 times a hand

[royal bobcat]

ancient joker wants nothing but flush levels

[lost vault]

fuck off

[crude fiber]

All suits

[lost vault]

true

[lost vault]

well yeah

[royal bobcat]

bloodstone wants only hearts, an oops all sixes and flush levels

[lost vault]

ancient joker is one of those jokers you build into

[crude fiber]

Yeah but what if your whole deck is one suit

Isnt that what you want for a flush build

[royal bobcat]

that doesn't happen often

[lost vault]

then dont take it 5 head

[royal bobcat]

also just because a joker is good doesn't mean you'll always take it

[lost vault]

tbh i dont really run flushes unless i have the ancient jorker

[royal bobcat]

trio is really good

you're not going to take it while doing a straight run

[lost vault]

triboulet is good

but

[crude fiber]

I guess its nice with 4 finger

[lost vault]

what if your deck has already lots of face cards removed

[lost vault]

??

[vestal copper]

trib on abandoned

[crude fiber]

Cause flush

Easier

[lost vault]

hot take

[crude fiber]

If you have multiple suits in your deck

[lost vault]

flushes dont rly need to be easier

[crude fiber]

What im trying to say is

[lost vault]

anytime i have aj i have never missed

[vestal copper]

does he know?

[crude fiber]

Ancient is nice with flush builds right

[lost vault]

sometimes i need to spend hands to get the hand

but i dont fully miss

the provlem with 4 fingers on ancient is that you score less

[crude fiber]

But for a flush build you need to have a majority of cards of one suit no?

[lost vault]

no

[crude fiber]

Otherwise getting a flush is hard

[royal bobcat]

not with aj

[lost vault]

its pretty fcking easy thh

tbh

[royal bobcat]

just find other ways to cycle your deck

[unreal topaz]

flushes can be alright with tarot gen

[lost vault]

idk what to tell you

just like

[royal bobcat]

merry andy

burger

[lost vault]

discard the cards that arent the right suit

[unreal topaz]

bc you can get suit changers more reliably and pivot to flush houses later

[royal bobcat]

discard vouchers

hand vouchers

[cloud kiln]

Do you all see Mime broken?

[royal bobcat]

troubadour

juggler

[lost vault]

if i have decent tarot gen id much rather just run 3 or 4 oaks

[crude fiber]

Now thst I think about it yeah I guess you dont need to get all your cards into one suit for a flush build

That what I’ve been intuitively doing

[unreal topaz]

ofc, it's rarely neccesary but it is fun

[cloud kiln]

Mime is only broken on low card hand build

[lost vault]

false

[cloud kiln]

👀

[lost vault]

mime is good on many builds

[vestal copper]

mime is what can make b*ron viable ig

[lost vault]

all builds benefit from gold carss and vlue seals

[unreal topaz]

extra gold card and blue seal value is absolutely huge

[royal bobcat]

mime is what makes me live

[cloud kiln]

Ah 😅

[royal bobcat]

people think they want baron

but what they really want

[vestal copper]

but yeah mime is goated

[royal bobcat]

is a mime

[unreal topaz]

mime is such a good value generator

[lost vault]

who needs baron dude just get steels

[unreal topaz]

also sometimes scores points in a pinch

yeah

[royal bobcat]

shoot the moon mime steel runs

ive won twice like that

[cloud kiln]

I ask this cause I got a voucher idea that strengthens editions and card enhancements

[unreal topaz]

what they really want is shoot the moon

[unreal topaz]

only twice?

[cloud kiln]

Editions in playing cards can be triggered held in hand

[unreal topaz]

i've won with quite a few shoot the moon runs

[royal bobcat]

well usually i don't keep shoot the moon past ante 3 icl

[lost vault]

whst does this even mean

[unreal topaz]

funny enough they rarely die to the plant bc of blue seals and steel cards lol

[cloud kiln]

😅

[crude fiber]

What is shoot the moon

[unreal topaz]

its the water or the needle that actually sucks

[lunar zealot]

ooooooooooooooooooooo im blinded by the lights

[cloud kiln]

If you have a foil card in hand, it will trigger it when hand played

[royal bobcat]

playing cards held in hand will trigger their editions

mime but worse

[lunar zealot]

that feels

completely dogshit

[unreal topaz]

oh! so broken gold seal farming

[crude fiber]

Why tf did you react but not explain

[lost vault]

that would be a really silly voucher

bad silly

meow

:3

[royal bobcat]

meow

[cloud kiln]

And an upgraded voucher is
Card Enhancements can both triggered in scoring hand and held in hand

😅

[lost vault]

they already can though?

ig

oh

[royal bobcat]

i don't think you can do both at once

[crude fiber]

Oh its the queen joker

How do yall remember joker names

[royal bobcat]

make the voucher retrigger editions instead

methinks

[lost vault]

feels out of place for a voucher

[royal bobcat]

but thats not a "voucher" effect

[oak axle]

Beautiful

[cloud kiln]

Alright 😅

[royal bobcat]

but TO MY DEFENSE the base voucher also is not a good voucher effect either

[lost vault]

the only voucher that directly contributes to score rn is observatory and i'd argue that feels out of place

its a cool voucher tho

jus feels different

[oak axle]

Beautiful

[cloud kiln]

My bad then

[unreal topaz]

playing a lot, it sticks when you either realize how good it is or how bad it is

[unreal topaz]

grabber contributes for sure

pair spam

[royal bobcat]

idk i probably couldn't give you all 150 joker names rn

[lost vault]

if i play any roguelite game for long enough i could tell you what every single item is and does from memory

[unreal topaz]

+25% points

[royal bobcat]

but i'd know which jokers you're talking about

[lost vault]

yeah but not directly

[royal bobcat]

skinky give me all common hand related joker names rn

[lost vault]

not in the same way as observatory

[tawdry rock]

holy shop

[unreal topaz]

ig so

yeah

[royal bobcat]

holy slop

[crude fiber]

I call throwback party joker

[royal bobcat]

i call throwback shit

[lost vault]

i call throwback nothing because i neglect him

[royal bobcat]

dagger fodder

maybe

[vestal copper]

i call throwback never buy joker

[crude fiber]

Why

[royal bobcat]

campfire fodder

[vestal copper]

who tf skips bruh

[crude fiber]

Why are you hating on my goat

Me

[royal bobcat]

throwback is SO bad

please make it better

[lost vault]

you skip way too much

[crude fiber]

I mean

[lost vault]

stop skipping, you will win more

[royal bobcat]

make it .5 and it still wouldn't be great

[vestal copper]

no good players skip

[crude fiber]

When you have good econ and a good build

[royal bobcat]

no actually you do skip

[tall owl]

dude im so mad my clipping software wasnt just on

[crude fiber]

Might as well skip a few times and get the mult

[royal bobcat]

but its either early or a good planet tag

[crude fiber]

And some bonuses

[unreal topaz]

when you skip, every future round is about 50% more points (on higher stakes)

[royal bobcat]

you'd take early investment

[unreal topaz]

similar effect on gold stake

[tall owl]

i got a brainstorm from a judgement 😭

[royal bobcat]

a planet tag that hits the hand you want

[unreal topaz]

think about that

[royal bobcat]

and if you play anaglyph

[vestal copper]

🔥

[crude fiber]

Wait I didnt know about that

[vestal copper]

well yeah

[unreal topaz]

do you gain enough value from a skip to give you 50% more points?

[lost vault]

throwback just doesnt reward you enoigh

[tall owl]

fire setup 🔥

[lost vault]

you didnt know that skipping blinds advances the game?

[unreal topaz]

bc scoring requirements roughly double each ante

[royal bobcat]

throwback shoulkd really be .5 but even then it would be worse than madness which is supposed to have a drawback

[crude fiber]

I didnt know it increased the points requirement

[unreal topaz]

so they double in like half the time if you skip

[crude fiber]

For the next round

[royal bobcat]

skipping is really cool in idea

[lost vault]

the games points requirements are always increasing gng

[royal bobcat]

but its not good or impactful enough

[wanton breach]

very gay vagabond

[crude fiber]

Wait

[tall owl]

vagabussy

[crude fiber]

I know that

[unreal topaz]

i dont want throwback to be good anyway

i like playing rounds

[crude fiber]

Why does that matter if you have a decent build though

[oak axle]

should I even take? Natural Nega banner?

Should I atke

[crude fiber]

You were gonna need to meet the point requirement anyway

[tall owl]

ehhhh

[royal bobcat]

throwback doesn't scale as fast as the score requirements

[crude fiber]

Am I missing something

Im off 3 hours of sleep so dont mind me if I act dumb af

[vestal copper]

are you a white stake player

[tall owl]

idk not really unless you dont think you want an invisible

[lost vault]

if you have a build thats good enought to skip to the end you dont need the mult from throwback do you

[unreal topaz]

well the round that might kill you comes one shop sooner

[royal bobcat]

which wouldn't be an issue IF IT DIDN'T MAKE YOU SKIP SHOPS

[wanton breach]

why not
temperance value

[crude fiber]

Purple

[vestal copper]

guh

[crude fiber]

No actually orange

Passed purple yesterday

[vestal copper]

qell skipping is usually not very optimal

[royal bobcat]

what stake you play on is irrelevant

throwback is bad all the same

[unreal topaz]

so you have less time to generate value, and less time to cash in on said value

which is a big deal

[crude fiber]

What why would I not need a mult

4 skips is x2

[royal bobcat]

itd give options

[crude fiber]

Isnt thst good

Yeah you skip shop

[lost vault]

winning by a bigger margin is the same as winning by a small margin

its still winning

[crude fiber]

But again if you have a decent build for the ante you maybe dont need it thst much

[lost vault]

if throwback rewards winning then it is just pointless

[crude fiber]

And you get packs and shit from skipping

[royal bobcat]

4 shops are worth so much more than a x2

[unreal topaz]

4 rounds and shops most likely more than double your score

[lost vault]

you wanna know where else you can get packs

the

fucking

shop

every shop has 2

[vestal copper]

throwback is green scrap

[lost vault]

true

[crude fiber]

You also grt the mult

[unreal topaz]

by spending the money you earn by playing a round

[crude fiber]

For party joker

[wanton breach]

yes, you can find x3 mult jokers in 4 shops

[lost vault]

it is not enough to excuse skipping

[crude fiber]

So you tell me you dint skip when theres a negative joker skip?

[wanton breach]

shop makes you stronger, skipping shops makes you weaker

[unreal topaz]

no?

[crude fiber]

Damn

[lost vault]

one of the worst skips in the game

[crude fiber]

Free neg joker

[lost vault]

yeah im not taking

wrong reply

[lost vault]

skipping is not "free"

[unreal topaz]

random negatives almost never contribute in any meaningful way to your build

it's wayyyyy too risky

[twin rune]

There are 150 jokers in the game, what is the actual likelihood the one the negative skip happens to land on actually helps

[crude fiber]

Yeah still

[unreal topaz]

unless you want gold stickers

[unreal topaz]

that's the only time it's justifiable

[wanton breach]

for what? negative zeny joker?

[lost vault]

people will defend negative skips with their life and then complain when the joker they get is a rental that adds nothing to their build

[royal bobcat]

when you get to gold stake, only 1 in 3 jokers will not have a tag (debuff) attached to it

skipping for free jokers is terrible because the odds of the free joker being bad skyrocket

[unreal topaz]

*eternal rental negative zany

[wanton breach]

especially in gold stakes, the negative joker can become rental or perishable

[crude fiber]

So you’re telling me the tribe is not good?

Because x2 mult is not good?

[royal bobcat]

the tribe is not great

[lost vault]

do you always get the tribe?

[wanton breach]

not that good early

[royal bobcat]

its fine

i guess

[crude fiber]

If im doing a flush then yes

[lost vault]

no you dont

it doesnt appear every run

[crude fiber]

Yes

[royal bobcat]

you don't choose your jokers 😭

[unreal topaz]

flushes as a hand are just weak already, tribe is alright but like flush builds themselves are the problem

[lost vault]

especially not from negative skips

[wanton breach]

plus drawing flush is not that reliable

[crude fiber]

If it appears i take it I mean

[lost vault]

no shit

guys if soul appears i take it

well

[crude fiber]

Yes but throwback is like the tribe after 4 skips

[lost vault]

sometimes not

[royal bobcat]

hey jimbo can u give me yorick first arcana dawg? thank you

[lost vault]

but whagever

[royal bobcat]

bro out there playing artifact of command in balatro

[unreal topaz]

can maybe play 2 flushes per round reliably, a good chance you can only play one in a round on blue stake+

[lost vault]

4 skips thats 2 whole antes

[twin rune]

Difference is 4 skips actively hurts your run

[unreal topaz]

on the other hand, you can play 4 pairs in a round reliably

on every deck

[royal bobcat]

someone should make the artifact of command mod for balatro

it would get so many views

[crude fiber]

But it happens so often that the stuff in the shop is shit

[shell dagger]

except black 😔

[crude fiber]

I often dont buy anything from the shop

[unreal topaz]

true

mb

[royal bobcat]

"this NEW balatro MOD is INSANE!! ante 89??!! balatro command mod"

[wanton breach]

4 shops can give you tribe and photocard, and the order, and the black board, and blueprint, and brainstorm, and

[lost vault]

so wouldnt you rather see more shops so that you see less shit

[shell dagger]

U know you’re just pushing back the shit shops when you skip

[oak axle]

What's the Opmitizal joker setup for Trib 2 bp 1 brainstorm and Sock and bussin?

Wata the Opmitizal joker setup?

[shell dagger]

You still see them

[crude fiber]

I started playing less than a month ago though so idk much

[twin rune]

That's most likely a result of not knowing the strength of certain items, and even if there are a load of shit shops the way to get good ones is not skipping

[royal bobcat]

if i close my eyes hard enough the problems will disappear

[oak axle]

All copy on Sock or 1 on trib

[royal bobcat]

peekaboo

[wanton breach]

i play on gold stake and i learned my lesson to not rely on flush

[royal bobcat]

with the problems

[oak axle]

??

[crude fiber]

What im saying is that shops didnt seem thst valuable

[lost vault]

mfs will say "the shop is shit" and the shop has like an obelisk

[shell dagger]

reevaluate them

[crude fiber]

Obelisk is shit dawg

[royal bobcat]

i love obelisk

[crude fiber]

Guys wtf

[lost vault]

exactly my point

[royal bobcat]

obelisk is so peak

[oak axle]

@lost vault

[crude fiber]

Am I doing exactly the opposite of what im supposed to do

[wanton breach]

come on, I'm the foolest person here, you wanna take my title now?

[shell dagger]

2 trib 1 sock

[royal bobcat]

like most new players

dw about it

[oak axle]

Huh why 2 on trib?

[shell dagger]

balance scores and triggers

[crude fiber]

I will revolutionize the strategy chat

No more shops skips inly

[royal bobcat]

we got the new doc chat

[lost vault]

what strategy

[crude fiber]

Boss only run

[shell dagger]

rn you have 1.5 scoring effects and 2 triggers

[lost vault]

yeah man goodluck fullskipping black deck gold stake

[shell dagger]

before jokers

[royal bobcat]

dcspectrd retirement

[sleek agate]

there needs to be a joker that lets you throw cards at the boss blind

[royal bobcat]

i never know how to spell his name

[sleek agate]

like a boomerang

[shell dagger]

my irl father beat black deck gold stake with double throwback

[royal bobcat]

there needs to be a joker that lets you win

[shell dagger]

not kidding

[royal bobcat]

oh wait thats yorick my bad

[sleek agate]

makes sense

[lost vault]

wowie

i mean double throwback is a decent reason to skip

quadratic scaling

[shell dagger]

yh

[wanton breach]

my irl father didn't play balatro

[royal bobcat]

double throwback would make me reconsider

[unreal topaz]

wild, what else did he have?

[shell dagger]

vampire

[royal bobcat]

see, one throwback sucks

2?

[lost vault]

but how often does douvle throwback appear

[royal bobcat]

i might

[unreal topaz]

okay

[shell dagger]

and like random +mults

[unreal topaz]

so he was dead to violet vessel

prob

[royal bobcat]

your dad is better than most balatro players

[shell dagger]

yeah

[unreal topaz]

fair enough

[crude fiber]

My irl dad lost the boss ante (our house) at irl balatro (poker)

[shell dagger]

it was not a consistent strategy I just thought it was funny

[crude fiber]

Jk

[unreal topaz]

yeah, it is

[unreal topaz]

if the needle shows up he's cooked

[lost vault]

my irl dad is okay with my gayness :D

[unreal topaz]

skipping so much

[royal bobcat]

my irl dad is not