🕹・game-discussion

[frank grove]

like what though

[honest dawn]

For example, groker Or supernova

[heavy heron]

in the end it’s more score to pair shoot the moon

by ante 8

[vocal rose]

but that’s literally every +mult joker

you can’t go that way

[frank grove]

if you nerf gimbo and supernova that nerfs it for every hand

not just pairs

[honest dawn]

This is solved by adding more +multi jokers that benefit other hands.

[acoustic kettle]

Well

[vocal rose]

no that doesn’t solve the problem

[frank grove]

that doesnt work

[acoustic kettle]

Anything scaling is a pair joker

So uh

[shell dagger]

not really that’s 1 fewer steel held in hand and the issue of often having to play pairs of queens to even score pairs

[honest dawn]

They also need to rework the blue seal

[heavy heron]

it’s actually really crazy.. because the biggest problem w pairs is just how easy they are to draw and needing 0 deck fixing

high card is guaranteed draw but it doesn’t feel too OP

it’s just pairs

from how.. absurdly well they scale

[vocal rose]

well here’s the thing

[heavy heron]

planets are 99% source of chips

[woven spire]

what a seed

[vocal rose]

you don’t want every single hand to be the same

[heavy heron]

and mercury just gives too many

[vocal rose]

it’s okay for pairs to be better than high card

[molten thicket]

i don't think you can nerf mercury though

[honest dawn]

And that the game does something to benefit the one-shot game genre.

[vocal rose]

I don’t think you should balance the game in a way that has zero difference in hand viability

[heavy heron]

it is but the pair trade off matters; needing less mercuries for high chips compared to plutos is an entire early game difference

[shell dagger]

what if needle turned all but 1 of your hands into discards

[heavy heron]

case in point, stm does nothing if your high card is 5 chips

[honest dawn]

Yeah

They need to rework the blue stake.

[tender quarry]

+10/+0 would be balanced for pluto and meaningfully different but it does feel worse

[heavy heron]

12 chips maybe

[tender quarry]

People might not like that though

[heavy heron]

make mercury have an uneven chip count

12 or 13

[acoustic kettle]

What

[vocal rose]

controversial but I see it

[frank grove]

12 chips instead of 15 doesnt do anything over the course of a run though

[vocal rose]

the chips would have to be more though

[molten thicket]

noooo

[heavy heron]

that’s.. interesting

[acoustic kettle]

10/0 is just not

[heavy heron]

but that kills baron

[molten thicket]

that feels so wrong

[frank grove]

10/0 sucks

[heavy heron]

completely

like even in endless baron gets way worse

[tender quarry]

For naneinf not really, for gold stake mostly

[heavy heron]

1 x 1.5….

[acoustic kettle]

Pair baron mime

[molten thicket]

maybe planet scaling is reduced on higher stakes?

[tender quarry]

But also baron is already dead in a ditch for anything that isn't naneinf or multiplayer

[heavy heron]

that’s like 6-8 king triggers needed more just to reach like a mult of 6

big difference

[molten thicket]

like a flat -5 chips/planet on high stakes?

[frank grove]

10 instead of 15 isnt that crazy though

[acoustic kettle]

Maybe early game

[frank grove]

like it hurts pairs for a little bit

[heavy heron]

pluto +5 chips +2 mult

[vocal rose]

no

[frank grove]

but then it just becomes the same

[honest dawn]

No,That would kill high card, the problem is that the game gives more mechanics for even and high card, not the planet scaling itself

[tender quarry]

You lose one e

[maiden horizon]

Nah too crazy

[heavy heron]

well i’m talking endless in general, not just naneinf

[honest dawn]

That's where the full house scaling could be improved

[molten thicket]

yeah but it has to be flat to counter pair scaling

[tender quarry]

Right, but you still only lose one e

[honest dawn]

Which I think is very bad.

[vocal rose]

pluto takes over pair meta

[heavy heron]

that’d be funny

[acoustic kettle]

+2 mult is insane

[tender quarry]

You get a lot of these very quickly even early endless

[acoustic kettle]

😭

[frank grove]

yeah

[queen lantern]

hey y'all

[heavy heron]

i think you need to add decimals to make it make sense

mercury 12.5 chips

LOOLLL

[vocal rose]

ew

[molten thicket]

it still has to follow poker hand rankings

[honest dawn]

For me, the planet scaling is perfect except for Full House.

[molten thicket]

like you can't make hc scale faster than pairs

[heavy heron]

yup.. full house sure is weak..

[frank grove]

5oak is also weird

[honest dawn]

And that's straight flush, it's very complex and should give you more than flush house in my opinion.

[heavy heron]

full house not even getting 3 mult is so bad

[maiden horizon]

Full house done dirty its basically just 3oak

[heavy heron]

that’s so bad bro

[tender quarry]

It wouldn't really though, in games where mult is mostly covered by jokers I'd be more willing to use High Card over pair for better ability to hold cards/manip my hand

[vocal rose]

no that’s fine

[visual turtle]

I mean I could

[vocal rose]

the chips needs to be more

[tender quarry]

It would make them much closer to each other

[heavy heron]

full house is arguably just as hard to draw as a straight

[vocal rose]

full house is way easier to deck fix for than straights

[heavy heron]

it def deserves the mult

[heavy heron]

that is true

[shell dagger]

immolate is right there

[vocal rose]

on an unfixed deck yes

[acoustic kettle]

I mean baron only shines in endless anyway no need to kill him there too

[vocal rose]

ante 1

[acoustic kettle]

Give him some scraps

[heavy heron]

but i still thibk it deserves it

[vocal rose]

but I don’t think the mult should change

[heavy heron]

because it still requires 5 cards

[maiden horizon]

The chips difference between full house and 3oak is 5

[tender quarry]

He'd be fine in endless

[heavy heron]

and hand size exists

[molten thicket]

full house is honestly as easy to draw as flushes with any amt of deckfixing

[vocal rose]

the chips needs to be WAY more to actually have an incentive to be used over 3oak

[shell dagger]

1.1 is already killing naneinf in normal runs

you’ll all live

[heavy heron]

i… disagree

[tender quarry]

Full house should definitely be +3 mult

[honest dawn]

No

[acoustic kettle]

Then again just run 3oak or 4oak

[shell dagger]

and if you have perkeo then it’s a difference of less than 1 cryptid

[honest dawn]

Full house is harder and worse than flush

[heavy heron]

flush destroys full house

[visual turtle]

What's that going to do

[shell dagger]

20 bucks

[maiden horizon]

Flush has a lot of tarot cards that support it

[shell dagger]

and deckfixing

[vocal rose]

it having the same amount of mult as straights feels weird to me

[frank grove]

full house is nice to deck fix to because you can move to flush house but i guess if you're deckk fixing for flush you might as well just deck fix to flush five anyway

[visual turtle]

That's like 4 cards I could of used

[vocal rose]

because of the level of deck fixing for both needed to draw both

[honest dawn]

Full house If you want to do it regularly, I think it's better to play 4oak or flush house

[woven spire]

chat help, (run isnt seeded)

[frozen tendon]

i love when i have thousands of dollars with a showman to spend or i die and the best thing i find is an invis joker

[visual turtle]

also I don't think im going to deckfix

[clear mulch]

perishable

[marsh goblet]

my friend thought of a funny balatro joke before i did im pissed

[shell dagger]

wat

[visual turtle]

this time around

[shell dagger]

4 unenhanced cards

[visual turtle]

What would I even deckfix for actually

[shell dagger]

money and blue seals

[acoustic kettle]

Immolate is 20 dollars

[honest dawn]

Full House has practically the same scaling as 3oak

[visual turtle]

And if I don't get blue seals

[shell dagger]

even a strength still makes it easier to draw pairs

[shell dagger]

you still need to draw your hands

[acoustic kettle]

I don't really see immolate as a deck fixing spectral most of the time

[shell dagger]

“what if i dont need to draw my h-“ shush

[acoustic kettle]

It's just

[frank grove]

20 bucks

[acoustic kettle]

Ooh 20 dollars

[clear mulch]

do i still need scholar?

[shell dagger]

no

[frank grove]

no

[vocal rose]

37 pairs

[shell dagger]

thanks for posting everything you need to answer this question though

genuinely appreciated

[frank grove]

yeah

[fossil sky]

How many jokers will be added in the new update?

[vocal rose]

a true soldier

[visual turtle]

So why don't I take ankh to get the +3 mult again

[vocal rose]

no clue

nobody knows

[shell dagger]

20 dollars is 20 dollars

[acoustic kettle]

20 dollars

[vocal rose]

atleast one

[acoustic kettle]

At least 2

Thunk said

[shell dagger]

2 +mults is not efficient use of joker slots

[clear mulch]

thankss

[shell dagger]

the strength of red card and the other scalers is that they are all your +mult in one joker

[frank grove]

yeah

[visual turtle]

Okay then

[acoustic kettle]

Oh he just appeared on server chat

[heavy heron]

how the actual hell does a level 37 pair have 550 chips

[molten thicket]

also how would you change burnt to not be absolutely cracked for pairs

[maiden horizon]

Wait its him

[heavy heron]

i know 37 levels is a lot but damn

[frank grove]

15 * 30

[tender quarry]

Right now the priorities are getting to a point where you're consistently opening packs and to survive to that point

[shell dagger]

10+36*15 i thjnk

[visual turtle]

So now what

[tender quarry]

Oh wait wrong reply

[maiden horizon]

Thats him in server chat

[visual turtle]

There's like
4 options

[heavy heron]

last discard, not first

[vocal rose]

this

changes nothing

[molten thicket]

hm

[acoustic kettle]

Does it really change anything

[clear mulch]

15 * 37 + 10

[molten thicket]

noooo

[heavy heron]

blue stake rework

[molten thicket]

kinda??

[shell dagger]

it buffs high rank hands

[heavy heron]

no i know 😭 it’s just crazy

[vocal rose]

ah okay

[shell dagger]

actually does it even

[acoustic kettle]

A little

[molten thicket]

it can help a bit but forcing you to discard your main hand for 1 planet level is crazy

[trim notch]

-24 dolar 😏

[vocal rose]

no it doesn’t

[acoustic kettle]

You can dig befor eburnt upgrades

[vocal rose]

it actually nerfs them

[clear mulch]

i mean its working for me

[vocal rose]

since you’ll NEED to draw them again with hands

[molten thicket]

for big hands

[heavy heron]

yes that

[acoustic kettle]

But then again you discard it and you don't have it anymore yea

[vocal rose]

yeah have fun scaling straights

[heavy heron]

is the issue w burnt in general

[molten thicket]

its just way too risky

[clear mulch]

yyeah big hands aren't really strong right now

[heavy heron]

so it probably should be hand played

[vocal rose]

no the issue is pairs are too good

burnt is fine

[clear mulch]

i really want more big hand related buffs in the next update

[frank grove]

burnt is really good with lower hands thoguh

[heavy heron]

what

[vocal rose]

but that change is horrid

[molten thicket]

hand played could be decent-ish but

[acoustic kettle]

Burnt being played is something

[molten thicket]

the problem still stands

[acoustic kettle]

It is better for bigger hands

[clear mulch]

space joker

[heavy heron]

the inherent issue of burnt is discarding the hand you just looked for, and needing to find it again (pairs just being easier to find again)

so it is, in fact

an issue

so it should be space joker

a better one at that

[molten thicket]

oh yeah that guy exists

[vocal rose]

burnt is not the problem, the problem is pairs

[vocal rose]

so you use hands as discards

[clear mulch]

no, the problem is how weak the other hands are compared to it

[heavy heron]

but you’re just talking about the nature of poker, pairs are just easier to draw and always can be drawn again

[vocal rose]

what

[heavy heron]

like i discard my flush to level it up

[molten thicket]

less money, and its pretty risky too

[heavy heron]

i’m not finding another flush

it just shouldn’t be on discards

[clear mulch]

wdym what

[vocal rose]

a lot of the responses can be resolved with “nerf pairs”

[clear mulch]

??? no

[vocal rose]

the game doesn’t need to be easier

[frank grove]

nerfing mercury doesnt really do enough though

[gloomy vigil]

making game harder doesnt resolve anything either

[heavy heron]

the game needs to be more balanced

[acoustic kettle]

Burnt is fine it's just that pairs are so easy to draw

[vocal rose]

you don’t need to buff the other hands for it to be balanced

[molten thicket]

the game doesn't need to be harder either

[vocal rose]

you can do that in two ways

[clear mulch]

its not making it easier, its balancing

[heavy heron]

the game is too difficult for bigger hand types to be played consistently

[vocal rose]

I believe it does

[frank grove]

you have to nerf the jokers and other stuff around pairs to make pairs worse which in turn makes everything else worse too

[heavy heron]

so yes in fact it does need to get easier, in aspects

[gloomy vigil]

the only bar to beat is 100k chips

the main selling point is highscores

[shell dagger]

naur

[vocal rose]

you can balance in two ways, nerf pairs, or buff all other hands to be as viable as pairs

[honest dawn]

I would make the Joker that gives you +1 level by discarding (I can't remember its name in English) effective for the first hand played.

[manic vault]

what should i sell to make room for walkie talkie

[heavy heron]

playing 4oak every run and tell me how it goes; it’s not about getting easier it’s about making g something fair

[vocal rose]

making the game SIGNIFICANTLY easier in the latter

[shell dagger]

too strong

[molten thicket]

imo the difficulty of high stakes is really good

[honest dawn]

And leave spacejoker as it is.

[gloomy vigil]

reroll till negative walkie talkie

[shell dagger]

and too similar to space joker

[sand lily]

painted deck is kind of a bih

[vocal rose]

it’s not challenging enough

[trim notch]

Nothing

Xd

[heavy heron]

the game is too easy on pairs, and is borderline impossible (to win consistently) for other hand types; i think making it not borderline impossible isn’t a bad thing

[manic vault]

u sure? i dont have anything that adds chips

[trim notch]

They should make next stake -1 hand size or -1 hand

[shell dagger]

2 pair still wins consistently

and high card

[trim notch]

uhh upgrade ur hand with planets

[honest dawn]

I came up with a Joker called Robin Hood who takes you one level from the planet with the highest level and gives it to you on your first play.

[heavy heron]

look up what gold stake used to be

[trim notch]

I mean is white stake

[quartz ember]

yea the more im thinking about how to make the game more versatile, the answer is nerf pair scoring potential. I certainly do think that the game is perfect difficultywise currently so the pair nerf should be accompanied with other balancing

[honest dawn]

I don't know what you think of my concept

[trim notch]

[gloomy vigil]

would be smart to play splash high card

[molten thicket]

yeah bcs 2pair and hc are both relatively easy to draw hands

[tender quarry]

Calling other hands borderline impossible to win with consistently means you haven't tried to win consistently with other hand types enough

[manic vault]

ok

[vocal rose]

borderline impossible is

a terrible way to put it

[clear mulch]

idea: mercury is -1 chips 😍

[heavy heron]

okay so show me your 5 win streak 4oak run next time around

[molten thicket]

and also 2pair has an amazing scaler

[gloomy vigil]

=+4 +4

[heavy heron]

thanks

[molten thicket]

bars

[vocal rose]

strawman of death and doom

[tender quarry]

You don't know who you're talking to

[shell dagger]

reasonable on abandoned anyway

[vocal rose]

AND

[heavy heron]

yes, because it applies here

[shell dagger]

i have a 5 streak of 2 pair on plasma too

[vocal rose]

you say that to syn

[gloomy vigil]

can we all just play two pair yellow deck together

[vocal rose]

of ALL people

[heavy heron]

yup

[gloomy vigil]

and have cookies

that would be cool I think

[vocal rose]

which makes it even funnier

[heavy heron]

well 2 pair is next best hand, arguably

[molten thicket]

well that depends on what cookies you're offering

if it has raisins in it i'm burning you down

[gloomy vigil]

I like apple cookies

[woven spire]

"negatives are always good"

[vocal rose]

yeah I don’t want to interact if you’re going to make arguments that are fallacious

[heavy heron]

so yea show me the 4oak streak thank you

[shell dagger]

plasma is arguably the second worst deck

[gloomy vigil]

wha

[heavy heron]

well good thing i wasn’t talking to you

LOOLLL

[shell dagger]

for gold stake

[molten thicket]

since when

[gloomy vigil]

ah

[acoustic kettle]

2.4 mil vv is enough reason to not play it

[gloomy vigil]

My highest stake is green I think

[molten thicket]

oh

[vocal rose]

you’re offering nothing of value and just trolling then

[shell dagger]

specifically streaking gold stake

getting a win is easy

[vocal rose]

rage baiting is weird

[heavy heron]

you can think what you wish

[molten thicket]

yeah plasma gs is really awkward

[gloomy vigil]

I struggle

I got like 4 or 5 wins to my name at 12 hours

egg

[shell dagger]

well you can reset for ante 1 wee bull or ancient and it’ll be a fun time

[heavy heron]

i get you

dw you’re learning

[vocal rose]

that’s pretty good

[mellow surge]

Is it better to not play the 3 here? Seems really unintuitive but I think it was the right play

[heavy heron]

learning process

[honest dawn]

Do you know the problem with adding a discard and subtracting a hand?

[torpid bridge]

You were correct

[heavy heron]

well what’s your 3oak level?

[shell dagger]

better to play the 3 for sure, but also play the kings instead of the jacks

[honest dawn]

You kill him with that black deck.

[gloomy vigil]

one hand type

[honest dawn]

2 hands and 3 discards

[shell dagger]

i didn’t see baron nvm

[heavy heron]

and card sharp

pair all the way

[modern panther]

Burnt or burger

[shell dagger]

i mean still play a pair

[torpid bridge]

Playing 3 wont get fist's value

The last K will be procced

[shell dagger]

but chuck the 3 in

[gloomy vigil]

uranus

[mellow surge]

If only kings held in hand though then the fist gets triggered after th baron tho

[shell dagger]

wait I’m stupid

yeah don’t play the 3

oops

[molten thicket]

2 hands would make black deck basically impossible to streak

[mellow surge]

Just thought it was interesting bc very niche case

[shell dagger]

6*1.5^5 > 20

[honest dawn]

Yeah

[torpid bridge]

It gets trigger before baron, but it trigger the last card of the same ranking cards

Since you place fist on the left

[mellow surge]

Yeah which is kinda silly lol

[gloomy vigil]

I think plasma deck is cool

[vocal rose]

I don’t know how much this matters

[torpid bridge]

Your play was correct

[gloomy vigil]

why does it take this long to unlock it

[vocal rose]

because blue and yellow deck are so much better than the other decks

[gloomy vigil]

you cant discard with plays

[vocal rose]

if you want to streak you’d be using those two

[molten thicket]

point is the game then would be heavily reliant on luck

[vocal rose]

straights become VERY viable

[gloomy vigil]

what do streaks do besides swag

[visual turtle]

Wait i forgot to buy the card pack 💔

[molten thicket]

nothing

[shell dagger]

nothing

[sullen lintel]

Just hit 2 polychrome in a row on wheels

Landed on chad and rebate

[vocal rose]

easiest win ever

[manic vault]

is it worth it to sell photo and buy this

[visual turtle]

How do I get 1,000 chips

[molten thicket]

nahhhh

[shell dagger]

Depends on your hand levels

[molten thicket]

prob not

[shell dagger]

pray

[gloomy vigil]

pray

discard till royal flush

[shell dagger]

going into round 4 with no scoring is usually a death sentence

[gloomy vigil]

[shell dagger]

you shouldn’t have taken that rebate

and skipped the pack

[visual turtle]

It was either rough gem

enternal dagger

or mime

[shell dagger]

yea but you needed score

so you skip the pack

[visual turtle]

Well i needed a way to get money

[shell dagger]

no you needed a way to survive

[shell dagger]

that comes first

[modern panther]

In all seriousness, tho, which should I take

[queen dock]

Money is useless if you're dead

[shell dagger]

yeah sell photo

[molten thicket]

id keep borger

[visual turtle]

Well im dead

[molten thicket]

to scale supernova

[manic vault]

ok
is it better to play pair or two pair at this point btw

[visual turtle]

Yeah there's no hope

It's rocketship

or the jokers that force me to play a specific hand 💔

[molten thicket]

just accidentally killed 2 2s when i have wee on plasma

man

[vague aurora]

...

[molten thicket]

do it.

[visual turtle]

Take gratification
baron!!

[vague aurora]

OH...

[molten thicket]

my god

[visual turtle]

so what
do I choose

[shell dagger]

rocket

[molten thicket]

rocket

is that sly joker

[shell dagger]

sly isn’t bad tho but rocket is just goated

[mellow surge]

Ante 1 rocket saved my life in 1993 💪

[honest dawn]

In a painted deck, Baron is good.

[visual turtle]

Oh look, it's brian

[tawny verge]

rif raf

[visual turtle]

and the trio

but that's um

too risky

[tawny verge]

what u mean whats ur scoreing?

you need brain

[weak relic]

Mmmmm~

[tender quarry]

I'm selling rocket for the riff-raff slot here after taking brian storm btw

[tawny verge]

buy both u have money 💀

polychrom the brain

[weak relic]

From judgment btw so kewl

[visual turtle]

other card

In shop

I got brainstorm

[weak relic]

Obviously not from wraith

[tawny verge]

yeah its only ante 2 u got time

[weak relic]

And I couldn't scale it well

[visual turtle]

Oh i got the flint

[tawny verge]

what u mean?

[visual turtle]

And i have no discards

[tawny verge]

show photo

[heavy heron]

dude…

[weak relic]

No chariots, no deaths, no cryptids. Just a small x2 mult for me

[heavy heron]

it’s not flush anymore..

[vague aurora]

tuff

[weak relic]

[heavy heron]

i’ve betrayed my flushes

[weak relic]

Hmm

[tawny verge]

last hand played?

[visual turtle]

Pair

[tawny verge]

play pair

lwk cooked ngl

[weak relic]

Kinda cooked unless

[visual turtle]

Yeah i died

[weak relic]

Btw the last thing that keeps me from c+

Really shameful tbh

[vague aurora]

man😭 7AUPM64F

[shell dagger]

I swear it’s only like a 1/12 you get a copyable common econ

Can’t be worth it

[visual turtle]

Yeah, I might just hope for face cards

[weak relic]

Alr hold on

[tender quarry]

But econ is very strong either way even if you don't, and I'm looking for both a way to snowball and a way to survive earlygame here

[tawny verge]

its fine u can find somthing better next time, the thing is rifraf is too much of a gamble that why u need something that can carry (+ mult)

[visual turtle]

Nvm about midas mask

[shell dagger]

Oh they died

[vocal rose]

holy fuck

[vocal rose]

don’t sell it

[tawny verge]

dont need it econ better

[tender quarry]

It's probably fine both ways but I think just going hard into fishing is better in that case

[visual turtle]

It's too late

[tawny verge]

bro u alr have mult

have scaleing + mult is not that good

[visual turtle]

Yeah but like, this one scales

[tawny verge]

yeah that what im saying haveing scaling xmult is more important

put money in planets and finiding good scaleing x mult jokers

[heady narwhal]

scaling +mult is pretty essential i think

especially on high stakes

[vocal rose]

honestly I might just take red card

[tender quarry]

If you just couldn't play both I'd agree that flat mult + broken econ is better than flat mult + scaling mult

But also like you can just play both

You don't have to scale bus immediately

[molten thicket]

bro made a statement so ass his gang clowned him (too lazy to find the img)

[vague aurora]

avg Anaglyph run

[wild merlin]

Rate my run so far

[vocal rose]

rental perishable/eternal on gold stake

[tawny verge]

i still stand by what i said

[heady narwhal]

hallucination + redcard is pretty nice i think

[visual turtle]

Oh i got flower pot or the idol as xMult 💔

[vocal rose]

yeah and rtb can still stay for now

[visual turtle]

There's no smeared joker

[tawny verge]

both of them arent that good for idol u need deck fixing which u prob dont have and the flwer pot requiers too much work

[brave goblet]

The rare glass joker run

[tawny verge]

doesnt look that good to me sry🥀

[vocal rose]

glass joker is so good

[brave goblet]

fr

[visual turtle]

Im poor!

[vocal rose]

hallucination is so good

[brave goblet]

fr

[vocal rose]

how are you so poor on yellow deck

what have you been doing

[tawny verge]

told u bro keep midas dont need bus

[brave goblet]

spent all the money on standard packs

[vocal rose]

facts

he has fist and fib which are good enough mult options to win

[visual turtle]

Buying tarot cards
in hopes that I get justice or chariot

[vocal rose]

whilst under interest cap?

[tawny verge]

when u have a good enough + mult you should be looking for x mult whith the econ

[tender quarry]

Selling midas mask

[vocal rose]

facts

[tawny verge]

there was no need of the bus i dont like ts anyways too ass lwk

[brave goblet]

bus was my goat for C++

[tawny verge]

very stirct conditions tho

[brave goblet]

not really

[vocal rose]

not really

[brave goblet]

just don't play face cards, how hard can that be

[vocal rose]

but in this case

[acoustic kettle]

Not

[brave goblet]

build toward cloud 9

[vocal rose]

he should’ve kept with midas

[clear mulch]

yes

[tender quarry]

Bus is really good (and was even really good here)

[vocal rose]

or 8 ball

[vocal rose]

haha

[stuck crag]

Sell the photo

[shell dagger]

don’t score face cards, even easier

[brave goblet]

8 ball to farm strengths to become cloud 9

[stuck crag]

Right?

[tender quarry]

Again, all you do is just play both midas and bus

midas short term

[tawny verge]

w

[tender quarry]

bus after you're done

[stuck crag]

This might be my highest score run

Plasma deck treating me right

[tawny verge]

still is kinda strict

[visual turtle]

So do I just move on

[tawny verge]

i just dont like that

[acoustic kettle]

It is the least strict thing ever

[brave goblet]

fair

doesn't mean it isn't good

[tawny verge]

u can do anything u got no money

[acoustic kettle]

Farming tarots is great

[brave goblet]

This morning I saw a post on the sub about people debating whether obelisk is s rank or not

[acoustic kettle]

You could get hermis

[olive flax]

Its ass tbh

[acoustic kettle]

Remove the a

It is ss

[brave goblet]

REAL

SO REAL

SS RANK

[acoustic kettle]

But really though

[olive flax]

Not because its necessarily bad, but you have no freedom in playing hands

[visual turtle]

Hey so ummm

[acoustic kettle]

I like campfire more

[brave goblet]

You have lots of freedom

[visual turtle]

I have to warn you

[brave goblet]

just don't play your most played hand

[visual turtle]

About what im going to post

[vocal rose]

what

you have

should I sell out of bus now so I can still scale square as I have red card holo’d

LOTS of freedom

[rich mauve]

is this the most awful setup I've ever played? (survived till ante 7 with prayers)

[tender quarry]

It's ass (very hot and sexy 🤤)

[vocal rose]

holy delayed image post

[visual turtle]

Ummmmm
Errmmmm
What do I even do

[rich mauve]

what are these jokers bro

[brave goblet]

Yeah lol

[acoustic kettle]

Take it

[tender quarry]

Obelisk is really good

[acoustic kettle]

[manic vault]

yooooo cavendish has come to save my run

[visual turtle]

Ok but like

How

[acoustic kettle]

Just buy it

[visual turtle]

Then what

[acoustic kettle]

Stack pairs

[brave goblet]

there's a concerning number of people who have never attended balatro university

[acoustic kettle]

Like 16 of them

[visual turtle]

But I won't survive

[acoustic kettle]

Then don't play pairs anymore

[brave goblet]

while stacking pairs, find some chips jonker

stack full houses instead

[visual turtle]

Ok and if the deck doesn't give me 3 of the same card and 2 of another

[acoustic kettle]

I had an obelisk run with straights as most played

Shortcut shenanigans

[brave goblet]

mega W

[acoustic kettle]

What is your most played

[brave goblet]

I once popped an obelisk off with 9 high cards as the timer

very sweaty

[acoustic kettle]

It was a straight run but then i got obby in ante 7

Pivoted

[visual turtle]

Straights is 5
Full house is 3
Flush is 1
Pair is 1
And everything else is 0

[acoustic kettle]

Surely you can survive on pairs

You have 3 +mult

[stuck crag]

Absolute cinema

[visual turtle]

So do I play ONLY pairs?

[manic vault]

or two pairs if ur lucky

[acoustic kettle]

Stack it until like 16

[stuck crag]

Showman sell right?

[visual turtle]

So 16 pairs, in a row

[acoustic kettle]

You'll be fine

[hidden birch]

I got greedy

:+

[acoustic kettle]

Or maybe 20 if you want to be extra safe

[stuck crag]

Wait i sell the showman right???

[acoustic kettle]

It is not needed though

[stuck crag]

Or greed another blueprint?

[tawny verge]

wtf is he copying

[hidden birch]

😞

[twin rune]

Another blueprint won't do anything for you until you have more joker slots available

[tender quarry]

Should I take the invisible joker here?

[tawny verge]

prob

[deft sandal]

eternal invis is crazy

[acoustic kettle]

Yes

[stuck crag]

Scoring higher is what im looking for

[twin rune]

DNA is more score

[stuck crag]

So a natural negative burglar would go crazy rn

[deft sandal]

the best scoring joker in the game

[tawny verge]

shit dont take it 😂

[stuck crag]

Exactly

[hidden birch]

Peak shop

🤤

[visual turtle]

So anyways I died

[deft sandal]

hell yeah

[deft sandal]

imagine finding perkeo in the arcana pack below

[vocal rose]

oh my god

[tawny verge]

i told u bro finding x mult is more imporant for those higher antes

[visual turtle]

I was poor
and the only xMult was too expensive

[twin rune]

Can almost guarantee the problem there is lack of chips

[tawny verge]

thats why u shouldnt have sold midas for stupid bus

[tawny verge]

also just learn ur leson and move on gng

[vocal rose]

midas mask in the beginning

[simple jacinth]

troub and glass to go

[deft sandal]

farming bus just uses up a lot of your early econ

[visual turtle]

Okay
but last run i died from picking money

so

[tawny verge]

it aint that deep just make sure to find econ find good enough + mult and the look for x mult with ur econ

[simple jacinth]

The amount of $20 hits I got that run was nutty

I just want troubadone

[vocal rose]

so you died this run by making a learnable mistake

that’s good

now we’re a tiny bit better at the game

[tawny verge]

we?

[vocal rose]

that’s what I said to them

WE are

meaning me and them

[tawny verge]

i am not part of ts i will be ass forever

[vocal rose]

don’t include yourself if you don’t want to

I didn’t mention you

[visual turtle]

do i take him again

[vocal rose]

show more context

you likely take mystic summit instead

[brave goblet]

he has $8

[vocal rose]

okay

[tawny verge]

bro if u got uncomn take him

[vocal rose]

take mystic summit

lmao

[willow frost]

i think you get good whether you want to or not lol

[deft sandal]

there's no losing in this game, It is just win or learn

[brave goblet]

oh twice as much

[tawny verge]

open the pack

[brave goblet]

take both

[vocal rose]

no

[vocal rose]

take both

and use mystic summit to build back to up interest cap

[tawny verge]

no mystic is etarnal

[vocal rose]

that’s okay

[brave goblet]

+15 mult is +15 mult

[deft sandal]

if they going for win, eternal mystic is fine

[vocal rose]

+15 mult is really good

[deft sandal]

just pretend your banana didn't break until the end

[vocal rose]

it guarantees their ante 1-2 success

[visual turtle]

so do I like
use my discards first

before playing

[stuck crag]

What would score more?

[vocal rose]

duh

like

[stuck crag]

3 baron and 1 mime

[vocal rose]

why wouldn’t you

[stuck crag]

Mome

Or 2 of each?

[vocal rose]

what is more, 3x1 or 2x2

[deft sandal]

how you spell it wrong twice

[acoustic kettle]

3x3

[stuck crag]

When u put it like that

[vocal rose]

it’s a little easier to understand

and you’ve come to the answer on your own

[stuck crag]

Iam a little offended

[vocal rose]

which is very good

[stuck crag]

But fair play

[vocal rose]

don’t be then

it’s not condescending

[tawny verge]

what???!!!?!?!!??!!? i never thought anything other than some good econ and some rare and uncomn joker were the only exceptions for the etarnal tag

[vocal rose]

it’s just an easier way to visualize

[stuck crag]

I can't help it, it is very obvious

[ebon mantle]

What are the best jokers for plasma?

[stuck crag]

It was just a confirmation of sorts tho

[deft sandal]

if it is red sealed steel, it's the same

[vocal rose]

saving econ and that joker slot for “something better” can just be death

[stuck crag]

The value if i only had retcon

[deft sandal]

this is a great website for you to calculate your score https://efhiii.github.io/balatro-calculator/

[stuck crag]

I can only score e30's with this

[twin rune]

Any stake past black needs you to get accustomed to what is "good enough", oftentimes it will have to be an eternal with a low ceiling for potential

[deft sandal]

ante 16 with $8...

[visual turtle]

The only uncommon card I've seen 💔

[deft sandal]

take it

[tawny verge]

but then the run has no eternal ptential

[weak relic]

Eternal summit...

[twin rune]

Doesn't matter if you're going for ante 8 only

[deft sandal]

just take whatever the game gives you

[weak relic]

I legitimately forgot how to naneinf

[visual turtle]

I died doing that

[weak relic]

[tawny verge]

yeah thats the thing im never playing for ante 8 im playing for eternal

[deft sandal]

pretty easy ngl, you do this and this and that and watch the number go brr brr and Bam, naneinf

[vocal rose]

take it

[visual turtle]

Oooh i got soul card

[deft sandal]

ChiGoat

[visual turtle]

You're correct

[deft sandal]

HELL YEAH

[vocal rose]

easy ah win

[weak relic]

I could've preferred getting canio but cool nonetheless

[visual turtle]

Oh no not canio

[vocal rose]

yorick>

[deft sandal]

rick: yo

[weak relic]

Or yorick

[vocal rose]

canio still amazing

[acoustic kettle]

The rick

[rich mauve]

lilith mentioned

[manic vault]

how do u cull ur hand down to this few cards

[visual turtle]

Do i splash

[weak relic]

No

This might sound harsh but your run is kinda going nowhere

Unless

[visual turtle]

Unless...?

[weak relic]

Im also 94% completion too

[serene forge]

easy game

[weak relic]

So kewl

[stuck crag]

What are the odds i get brainstorm?

Would it make it worth it?

[acoustic kettle]

Yes

You don't even have the slot

[serene forge]

sell dna

and ecto

what the

what are we doing with 6 dollars in ante 17

[stuck crag]

But dna gives me an extra king for score

[stuck crag]

Exactly

Im dirt broke

[serene forge]

how

[weak relic]

Ecto hitting dna surely it is

[acoustic kettle]

Pretty sure there's not enough handsize to survive with ecto

[stuck crag]

I suck at econ with baron mime

[visual turtle]

I love being broke

[acoustic kettle]

Gold cards

It's not hard

[serene forge]

??????

[visual turtle]

ok but what if

[stuck crag]

Dude

[serene forge]

you have 3 mimes what happened

[stuck crag]

At the point i get mime

[weak relic]

Idk. Eternal summit is just not it

[lost vault]

literally just get gold cards

[visual turtle]

You can't find gold cards

[stuck crag]

It's already the e20s

[serene forge]

skill issue

[weak relic]

You don't even have that much uncommon

[serene forge]

roll more

[visual turtle]

And if you still can't?

[lost vault]

whats that gotta do wtih gold cards

[serene forge]

get rebate or something

[stuck crag]

I prioritize score to survive then

[lost vault]

oh

[woven spire]

good negativeeeeee

[serene forge]

holy hell

[stuck crag]

Plus i go crazy on rerolls instead of trying to get interest build up

[weak relic]

[stuck crag]

And i haven't played in a while

[serene forge]

bruh

[stuck crag]

So i forgot i even had observetory

For the extra 3 plutoniums

Iam soo washed up atp

🫩

[north spindle]

holding for interest will let you get more rerolls in the long run

[serene forge]

observatory is trash without perkeo

3 instances of 1.5x is nothing

[lost vault]

yep

[stuck crag]

It's an extra two e's

In my case rn

[lost vault]

no it isnt

[visual turtle]

I don't think I can skip without dying so

[stuck crag]

It is

[lost vault]

i dunno if you know how math works

[visual turtle]

Sorry negative tag 😔

[weak relic]

No...

[stuck crag]

Bruv

[serene forge]

literally how is that possible

[stuck crag]

I used the calculator

[lost vault]

but 1.5^3 is ~3x mult

[serene forge]

that's a 3.3x multiplier

[weak relic]

That's not how math works

[lost vault]

on plasma

[serene forge]

lmao

[lost vault]

its about 1 e

like almost exactly

[stuck crag]

I forgot to specify

[lost vault]

10x

[twin rune]

Never take negative skips anyway

[lost vault]

well not evem

[stuck crag]

Idk walt

[serene forge]

damn I cant math

[lost vault]

cuz plasma divides hy 2

[weak relic]

Never take any

[lost vault]

so nvm

[serene forge]

im a balatro player

[stuck crag]

You've been seeming a lil sus lately

[visual turtle]

I died either way

[stuck crag]

Don't lie to me walt!!

[weak relic]

Figures

[stuck crag]

You sussy baka

[serene forge]

what happened to your econ

[serene forge]

do you have seed

[visual turtle]

No

[serene forge]

aw

[visual turtle]

Sold it for a planet card

[stuck crag]

In my case

If i had observetory

It would be barely enough

For 2 more e's

[visual turtle]

ok good news
Arcana gave me brian storm

[serene forge]

show your work

[stuck crag]

My initial score is 9.2 e44

And plutoniums would give me 1.0 e46

[lost vault]

brian storm?? like family guy??

[lost vault]

thats pretty much one e, like i said

[robust lance]

True

[strange compass]

Second Legendary

[stuck crag]

It is, but it's not

[visual turtle]

Oh look, it's hanging chad

[strange compass]

I didn't know Legends can have foils

[serene forge]

uhh no

that gives you about 3e45

[stuck crag]

Talk to the calc

[serene forge]

I literally just calculated it

[lost vault]

yeah (1.5^3)^2 is ~11X mult

[lost vault]

its not 2 es

[stuck crag]

Did u do 3 pluto?

[serene forge]

yes

[lost vault]

it is 1 e and 1 tenth of an e

[stuck crag]

Bruv

[visual turtle]

Ooh eternal dagger

[stuck crag]

Ik it's technically one e

[visual turtle]

Should I um

[stuck crag]

But in the larger scheme

[lost vault]

if you multiply 9 by 11.3 you get roughly 100

[serene forge]

this is fruitless anyway

[visual turtle]

Get it

[stuck crag]

It's 2

[serene forge]

try again and make your econ better this time I think

[lost vault]

yes

[stuck crag]

No perkeo, no naneinf 😢

[lost vault]

this does not mean 11.3x1 is 100

[serene forge]

you don't need perkeo

it helps but it's not needed for plasma

[stuck crag]

( No serpent and burglar either )

[lost vault]

which would be an increas of 2 es

[serene forge]

burger is useless until ante 25+

[stuck crag]

Ngl the odds of it on plasma to get the build i have rn is soo steep

Especially because you're overestimating my capability as a balatro player to heavily inflated margins

Iam a dumdum

[serene forge]

you didn't have antimatter you might have been screwed anyways

tbh

did you get blank or retcon by that point

[stuck crag]

I have blank

And a dream

[stuck crag]

No retcon

[serene forge]

directors cut?

[stuck crag]

No directors cut

[serene forge]

yeah you were probably screwed

[stuck crag]

No naneinf

[serene forge]

you need ecto and antimatter by 24

and retcon by 25

[stuck crag]

I did get retcon

But decided to avoid it

[vocal rose]

what

[serene forge]

????????

[stuck crag]

As in

It was in shop

[vocal rose]

no

[normal sparrow]

i thought u said u didnt have it

[stuck crag]

But didn't buy it

[lost vault]

thats just endless brah

[serene forge]

why not??????

[normal sparrow]

why not

[vocal rose]

just to mess around or?

[normal sparrow]

retcon is easily one of the best vouchers

[stuck crag]

I was trying to beat it quick

[serene forge]

also hang on you said you didn't have dcut either

[stuck crag]

To increase in stakes

[vocal rose]

it’s okay

[serene forge]

how did you find a retcon

[stuck crag]

Sorry misunderstanding

[normal sparrow]

what vouchers would u say are better?

[vocal rose]

they mean they’ve had it in a different run

[stuck crag]

Retcon is the upgrade right?

[serene forge]

yea

[stuck crag]

Yeah

Swap the names

[serene forge]

well ill say you should probably start a run with the goal of reaching naneinf

[vocal rose]

discard vouchers, hand size vouchers, hand upgrades, overstock vouchers

just off the top of my head

[serene forge]

you kinda can't just shift into a naneinf run on a whim

[normal sparrow]

fair, i forgot about overstock

[stuck crag]

Lowkey was js tryna test how hard plasma deck is compared to ghost deck

[vocal rose]

I prefer the reroll vouchers too

[serene forge]

I love Reroll Surplus

[normal sparrow]

but retcon provides so much value that it pays for itself

[ivory portal]

Is it better if I brainstorm mime

[stuck crag]

It is White stakes sooo..

[vocal rose]

…?

[normal sparrow]

boss blinds usually are the peoples worst enemies

[vocal rose]

retcon gives you zero value

[ivory portal]

Or do I play five of a kind

[vocal rose]

you literally lose value from using it

lol

[serene forge]

retcon is overkill for standard runs

[ivory portal]

Do I play five of a kind or high card

[serene forge]

dcut is useful

[normal sparrow]

you know there are other forms of value right?

[stuck crag]

Retcon would be very useful with my 17 dollars

[serene forge]

you don't reroll the boss blind unless it kills you

[normal sparrow]

being able to switch to a boss blind that wont kill u is already value

[serene forge]

and dcut usually suffices for that

[north spindle]

yes

[serene forge]

which dcut already does

[north spindle]

oh or 5oak?

[normal sparrow]

dcut can still screw u

[north spindle]

idk depends on hand levels

[ivory portal]

Alright thank u

[vocal rose]

on regular runs

[visual turtle]

What if it switches you to another boss that kills you

[vocal rose]

typically not

[normal sparrow]

u can roll into another boss blind that can still screw u

[serene forge]

unlikely

[normal sparrow]

maybe ive been screw by it before too many times

[vocal rose]

if your run is crippled by two bosses then you probably are doing something wrong or the scenario is VERY unlikely

[normal sparrow]

that i just take retcon anytime i see it

[north spindle]

card sharp:

[serene forge]

tbf that applies to carp sharp

but yeah

[stuck crag]

Triboulet da real goat 🔥🔥🔥😤😤😤🕊️

[visual turtle]

Do i take red card

[normal sparrow]

i make a lot of wrong stuff lmao

[serene forge]

most things don't have that many lethal boss blinds

I feel like

[visual turtle]

It doesn't sound like it, but ok

[vocal rose]

the unlikely part for card sharp

[stuck crag]

Trib da best music

[torpid bridge]

F the eye

[sullen lintel]

I take sock here?

[normal sparrow]

if u have an eternal next to dagger, does it just add mult or does it need to actually be destroyed?

[sullen lintel]

over duo

[normal sparrow]

show us the deck pls

[visual turtle]

It needs to die to gain mult

[acoustic kettle]

No

Dagger has to eat

Unlike madness