🕹・game-discussion

[serene forge]

the only super broken one is yorick

[astral mist]

unbalanced is fine turning the game into waiting and bookkeeping isnt

[lost vault]

perkeo has the potential to be game breaking but like
so does turtle beam

[astral mist]

perkeo just isnt fun

[pine dragon]

They win the game by themselves most of the time

[serene forge]

yorick just wins the game on the spot if you get it any time before ante 8

[pine dragon]

That's game warping

[agile pebble]

I remember doing some photochads when starting the game and winning ez because I didn't have much jokers unlocked so the same jokers would appear but like, it's been a LONG time since I've played with them

[lost vault]

chicot isnt run winning

just really good

[pine dragon]

Chicot is still game warping

Turns every boss blind into a big blind

[acoustic kettle]

It is run winning

[pine dragon]

It literally

[astral mist]

yeah but game warping is fine auto playing for you isnt

[acoustic kettle]

Especially if you're just scraping by

[pine dragon]

Warps the game

[acoustic kettle]

It just kills vv

[agile pebble]

boss clinds barely do anything with an average pair build anyways

[tacit stream]

I remember hitting good synergies and scaled Yorick to X21 before final boss. It ends up useless at the finisher blind though.

[distant vault]

Abk on

[pine dragon]

Needle

[astral mist]

thats why i dont play pair builds as much ngl

[acoustic kettle]

Violet vessel

[pine dragon]

Most bosses don't do anything to most builds

But there's still weaknesses every build has

[acoustic kettle]

Hi

[pine dragon]

They're still annoying however

[agile pebble]

it hasn't killed me yet

[distant vault]

Hello abk the goat

[acoustic kettle]

[pine dragon]

The needle kills pairs pretty often

[acoustic kettle]

1.2 million is high

[manic zealot]

judgement just gave me a nat negative hallucination

bruh

[agile pebble]

yeah

[autumn goblet]

two new pbs in one day

[tacit stream]

free tarots

[manic zealot]

fr

[pine dragon]

Give me your seed

[cyan sparrow]

i wonder which joker can lift the most

probably hiker joker he is probably buff

[acoustic kettle]

Based

[agile pebble]

el luchador maybe

[distant vault]

@acoustic kettle I died

[cyan sparrow]

oh yah

[pine dragon]

You're playing a dangerous game

[acoustic kettle]

Skill issue

[limpid gate]

Nat negative hanging chad + photograph ante 1...

[distant vault]

No it's the game

[pine dragon]

Plant ante 2

[limpid gate]

I lhoavtee this game

[limpid gate]

Nope hook

[astral mist]

Stuntman is bad design because it removes the need to think about hands at all

[limpid gate]

wish it was ante 2 though, that would be best case scenario tbh

[tacit stream]

*Ante 7 and no glass cards or director's cut or luchador/chicot at all.

[pine dragon]

Do I need to show you 90% of jokers?

[agile pebble]

I guess if you are playinjg stuntman you didn't care about your hands anyways

[astral mist]

No. But the fact you could is kind of the point.

[distant vault]

If no one got my back abk got my back

[pine dragon]

And actually it heavily incentivizes pair

Or two pair

[serene forge]

I hate Photograph

[acoustic kettle]

Stuntman is great

I love it

[pine dragon]

Stuntman literally makes bigger hands less effective

[astral mist]

yeah it nudges you there but once its online the difference barely matters the joker is doing the thinking not the hand choice

[distant vault]

Stm haters in shambles

[acoustic kettle]

3x multing

[distant vault]

[pine dragon]

Shoot the moon is just good

[astral mist]

truth

also i really like stuntman i was just seenig how many hot takes i could get away with on this server

i do think its a litte unbalanced though

[pine dragon]

I think it's balanced pretty fairly

[distant vault]

Stuntman + baron run next

[pine dragon]

The downside is pretty harsh

[astral mist]

oh hell nah

[acoustic kettle]

If you want to get engagement just make a tier list

[distant vault]

You underestimate me

[pine dragon]

I'll be making tierlists on Thursdays when I start recording prob

[acoustic kettle]

Just pick an active time in here

Post the complete tier list

[distant vault]

Yorick better be S

[pine dragon]

Yo Rick!

[acoustic kettle]

Well it just is

[distant vault]

S: yorick

And that's it

A is next

[pine dragon]

I'm going to put Baron in S tier just to make people upset

We do a little trolling

[acoustic kettle]

Too outrageous and you're just

[distant vault]

Well S is probably blueprint and yorick

[acoustic kettle]

Cavendish

[distant vault]

True

[pine dragon]

Blueprint, brainstorm, and Yo Rick

[distant vault]

Brainstorm im iffy

Prob A for me

[manic zealot]

no

[acoustic kettle]

Bottom of S tier

[manic zealot]

the value you still get out of brainstorm, it's still S tier

[pine dragon]

Bottom S high A

[acoustic kettle]

Probably something like

[distant vault]

Yes but the value of blueprint is better for me. A is still great

[acoustic kettle]

Cav bp campfire obelisk canio yorick brainstorm

[pine dragon]

Obelisk has gotta be A tier

Ngl

[distant vault]

S is legit just amazing with zero drawbacks

Brainstorm has one

[manic zealot]

obelisk is def A tier

[faint linden]

Why is Anaglyph so fun?

[acoustic kettle]

Gotta be S

[distant vault]

Canio is A

[pine dragon]

It does require set up, it does require being unfocused in terms of hands

But it's a good joker

[faint linden]

Chicot AT LEAST A

[distant vault]

Chicot is at most B

[pine dragon]

High B

Low A

[acoustic kettle]

Nah

[distant vault]

If you need chicot while spamming pairs something went wrong

[pine dragon]

Considering 90% of things go in C Tier

High B is pretty good

[lost vault]

blatro!

[distant vault]

Oh shit

[faint linden]

That's 135

[distant vault]

I love chicot

[lost vault]

mreow

[lost vault]

???

[distant vault]

🥰

[faint linden]

scratches behind ears

[lost vault]

mrrr~

[pine dragon]

C tier represents the average, by default it's the biggest tier

[distant vault]

Chicot doing nothing for 2/3 rounds:

[lost vault]

ok but 90%

?

[pine dragon]

When people say 90% they don't mean 90%

[lost vault]

uhh

usually they do

in my experience

but alright

[distant vault]

90% of the time I lose

[lost vault]

L

[distant vault]

We are not the same.

[faint linden]

Would be S if it was in vanilla

[lost vault]

90% of the time i meow

[pine dragon]

Idk who you've been talking to ngl 90% is an extremely common expression to just mean most around here

[distant vault]

🐈

[lost vault]

ok bruh

im not arguing the most stupid thing on the planet

[distant vault]

Can we all agree that seance is dog shit

[manic zealot]

F tier

[distant vault]

FF

[lost vault]

yeah

[pine dragon]

Checkered value

[faint linden]

Low F

[lost vault]

spame high car

[distant vault]

Still dog shit

[manic zealot]

there is no FF or SS tier, I hate when tier lists do that

might just be me though

[pine dragon]

I usually replace S with X

[distant vault]

Seance has its own category

[manic zealot]

I hate that too

[pine dragon]

Ss with X

Not S

Mb

[distant vault]

SSSS++++

[pine dragon]

I played competitive Splatoon

X is above S

It must be so

[manic zealot]

that I don't mind

[faint linden]

I played competitive Melee

[manic zealot]

I was referring to Seance having its own category that I dislike

[faint linden]

SS is a thing (Fox tier)

[distant vault]

I love analglyph

[faint linden]

Just got Nest Egg with it

[pine dragon]

X

[distant vault]

Niceee

[pine dragon]

SS is redundant

[lost vault]

ok elon

[pine dragon]

S already exists

[distant vault]

But SS doesn't

[lost vault]

it gets the message across

but fair

[pine dragon]

That's just S

[distant vault]

No its SS

[pine dragon]

times 2

[distant vault]

S is S

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstsone

[pine dragon]

X is a different letter

SS is an already used letter

[faint linden]

Good with Oops on Checkered. D Tier

[pine dragon]

Nah I give it a C

[manic zealot]

I've been getting good 8 ball value this run

[manic zealot]

I personally give it like a high D

it's killed one too many runs for me to trust it anymore

[pine dragon]

It's fine but you can't overly rely on it

[stone shell]

first time 8ball's answer to "will you cook" is "yes"

[agile pebble]

hey what is everyone's most played hand, I'm just curious

[fervent wolf]

Vagabond > 8ball

[fervent wolf]

High card

15520

[agile pebble]

damn

[pine dragon]

I love killing my econ

[fervent wolf]

Or sum

[agile pebble]

that's a big number

[stone shell]

for me its definitely high card

[faint linden]

Flush. Outside of game, will get number later

[fervent wolf]

Me too! Twins ig

[pine dragon]

Vaga is C 8 Ball is C

[manic zealot]

vagabond in C is crazy

[pine dragon]

8 ball probably goes ahead of Vaga

[faint linden]

Canibond carried my Purple Stake Checkered run

[torpid bridge]

Aint no way vaga is in the same tier as 8 ball

😂

Crazy take

[pine dragon]

8 ball is just better

[manic zealot]

it's straight up not

lmao

[fervent wolf]

Your opinion is invalid you hate rtb

[pine dragon]

No econ kills

[torpid bridge]

Vaga is sort of econ generation also

😂

[manic zealot]

true

[pine dragon]

I love my 2 dollar hermit

[torpid bridge]

Man playing vagabond blindly and saying it econ killing

[fervent wolf]

Purple seals > 8ball

[bleak blaze]

Vagabond IS the Econ generator

[pine dragon]

Purple seals are better than 8 ball and Vagabond

[manic zealot]

I can agree with that to an extent

[fervent wolf]

Yes

[stone shell]

purple seals are just better than joker-tarot gens

[torpid bridge]

8 ball get u on average a tarot card per 4 8s u play

[bleak blaze]

Every tarot card has some sort of monetary value to the build because instead of having to get them from packs you play hands instead

[torpid bridge]

So like if u are lucky u get one tarto card in one round

[pine dragon]

Really Tarot generating jokers are mostly just disappointing

[torpid bridge]

😂

And this guy say 8 ball is better than vaga

[bleak blaze]

You are not using Vagabond correctly then

I spam my hands with vagabond if I have the score

[lost vault]

i agree with 8ball

[stone shell]

i would argue vagabond is a great tarot gen if you have end of round econ jokers

[fervent wolf]

Superposition > 8ball and vagabond

[stone shell]

or if you have egg

[pine dragon]

I've

Used it for an entire run before it was eternal

My money was constantly all over the place

[lost vault]

not needed but yes theyre helpful

[bleak blaze]

EXACTLY

[lost vault]

skill issue

[pine dragon]

It's not terrible when you really need it

[wintry ice]

"rebate is better than cloud 9" type statement

[pine dragon]

But that can be said for 90% of jokers soo

[stone shell]

<=$10 per shop is not a great feeling esp if no discounts

[pine dragon]

No

[bleak blaze]

Take so cold my fingers froze to my phone

[chrome condor]

How good this run was?

[fervent wolf]

Yes, I play straights sooo

[pine dragon]

Superposition is just bad

[lost vault]

its not great feeling but it is good

[manic zealot]

ok gang what's the right play

[pine dragon]

Aces are the worst rank for straights

[fervent wolf]

Card sharp

[pine dragon]

Statistically

[manic zealot]

I mostly have levels in pairs

[faint linden]

Polysharp

[torpid bridge]

U say superposition is not good while 8 ball is

[wintry ice]

4 tarots per round is obviously better than getting like half on average with no deckfixing

[torpid bridge]

Lmao

[dull orbit]

Poly hoodie joker

[torpid bridge]

Those 2 kinda just on the same tier

[lost vault]

tied with kings and twos

[stone shell]

card sharp unless you think an ob pivot is possible ig

[pine dragon]

8 ball isn't great either

[manic zealot]

I'm taking the obelisk

[torpid bridge]

Both generate 1 tarot per round on average

[pine dragon]

8 ball is certainly better than superposition tho

[torpid bridge]

😂

[bleak blaze]

Where's the image where its a tier list of all the jokers ranked in one category titled "It depends on the build"

[dull orbit]

Im just an unabashed obelisk hater

[bleak blaze]

That would be useful rn

[wintry ice]

well yeah it wouldn't be very balanced if it just gave you a reward for playing a straight

[dull orbit]

I know its good idc its annoying as hell for my dumb brain lol

[cosmic sun]

guaranteed tarot vs nothing happens tarot

[fervent wolf]

Purple Seals>Cartomancer>Superposition>8ball>Vagabond

[cosmic sun]

wrong ping

[serene forge]

no

[cosmic sun]

guaranteed tarot vs nothing happens tarot

[stone shell]

whats the highest played hand and how many times

[manic zealot]

if it's so situational that it depends on the build, then it's probably not a very great joker

26 pairs

[stiff ore]

ummm okay

[dull orbit]

If you dont take the sharp this time 😆

[wintry ice]

purple>perkeo>=vagabond>hallucination>=cartomancer>superposition=8ball

[bleak blaze]

CARD SHART

[stone shell]

splash is the move

[torpid bridge]

Man just doesnt lnow how to play vagabond

[fervent wolf]

Why do you have trio and ff

[dull orbit]

Oh these are different ppl

[bleak blaze]

Throw in a Flower pot and youre cooking

[faint linden]

I know it's a specific setup, but x32 mult, or x32,768 on red seal glass hearts

[stone shell]

ff to scale runner i suppose

[stiff ore]

i got trio from wraith

[wintry ice]

at that point the glass kings do more

[fervent wolf]

What are you building into

[stone shell]

well if you get a good +mult you won't need planets anymore

[stiff ore]

thruth be told im not 100% sure xD

its been kinda all over the place

[pine dragon]

Probably should go straights

Tbh

[stone shell]

personally i would build into 3oak/4oak

[wintry ice]

honestly the only time i'm not buying vagabond is if i have rebate, parking or faceless

[stone shell]

na runner chips can carry for other hands

[wintry ice]

or if i'm like past ante 4

[faint linden]

Or Cloud

[stone shell]

just get a good +mult and you chillin

[pine dragon]

But make bigger runner

Number go up

[stone shell]

the 15 chips CANNOT be that valuable 😭 🙏

[faint linden]

Golden, Rocket, etc.

[wintry ice]

cloud 9 benefits a lot from vagabond's deckfixing and doesn't interfere with it because it adds the money after the round is over

[pine dragon]

The dopamine

[agile pebble]

guys look, a natural negative gros michael, I won't be losing a joker slot for it this way (this is first shop)

[torpid bridge]

I once had a run with vaga and perkeo

[wintry ice]

it also helps make up for the temporarily lost interest before your deck is inevitably filled with gold cards

[torpid bridge]

Be like turning my whole deck into one suit in just 2 antes

[stiff ore]

should i swap FF or runner for brainstorm?

[torpid bridge]

It was epic

[manic zealot]

swap four fingers

[stone shell]

you have an extra joker slot

[manic zealot]

it's not a good joker

[stone shell]

5/6

[stiff ore]

but not the money

[manic zealot]

oh yeah you're right

[stone shell]

ah

[pine dragon]

It's an okay joker

[manic zealot]

I really don't like it

[torpid bridge]

4 finger helps playing straight consistently

[pine dragon]

It does a thing and it does it okay

[wintry ice]

it works well enough with runner but you will want to sell it before popping invis anyways

[stone shell]

FF here imo

[pine dragon]

Yuh

[stiff ore]

ive mostly been going full house so thats why im debating between the two

[wintry ice]

i'd just play 3 of a kind

[pine dragon]

3 oak contains both pair and 3 oak

It's just better house

[stone shell]

3oak is easier to deckbuild into than full house

[stiff ore]

fair

[wintry ice]

runner already provides the chips so the marginal chip increase from earth matters even less

[pine dragon]

Also

[wintry ice]

and 3oak plays into card sharp better

[pine dragon]

You get access to halfsies

[stone shell]

runner is only +15 theres basically no chips 😭

[stiff ore]

i sold ff too so i could use my dupe

[wintry ice]

well

[stone shell]

cooking

[wintry ice]

i guess 3oak has decent chips anyways

[cosmic sun]

nova.

[pine dragon]

Yeee

Really decent scaling

[limpid gate]

🙂 I love glitches 🙂

[stone shell]

double brainstorm on nova 🔥

[pine dragon]

3 oak is pretty fire

[stone shell]

venus is +30/2 right

[pine dragon]

I believe so

[wintry ice]

20/2

[limpid gate]

I believe so... maybe +25?

ah +20 dang

[pine dragon]

M

[wintry ice]

fh is 25 and 4oak is 30

[limpid gate]

M indeed

[pine dragon]

Still good

Tho

[stiff ore]

....i fucking hate this game

[stone shell]

how'd you lose

[pine dragon]

Gambling time

[stone shell]

no +mult?

[cosmic sun]

the eye

[limpid gate]

Love the pfp, did you make it yourself?

[stiff ore]

fish

[pine dragon]

Who is this directed to

[limpid gate]

(for Kokoria)

[limpid gate]

Realized afterwards

[wintry ice]

your low econ definitely did a lot of harm

[stiff ore]

no its just off google images

[stone shell]

na 8 dollars is alot trust

[limpid gate]

Oh sweet

[pine dragon]

Mine is from a song

[stiff ore]

its a matching pfp with my girlfriend, would change if it she wouldnt get moody about it

[pine dragon]

In this economy?

That's one cheeseburger

[limpid gate]

I sohuld add it to my computer bgs, I have a bunch of anime bgs just have been slacking on the recent ones like dandadan

[oak axle]

Yo

[stone shell]

no thats a cheese burger AND a drink trust

[limpid gate]

Thats... Awesome

#Jelous

[pine dragon]

True actually

[stone shell]

double copy the fist

[limpid gate]

I see our taste is the same... lol

[pine dragon]

When I say cheeseburger drink and fries are implied

Tho

[limpid gate]

Anyways gn yall, gl with your runs

[pine dragon]

Who gets just a cheeseburger

[stone shell]

that would be a burger meal imo

[sand lily]

Crimson heart on painted deck is so ridiculous

[wintry ice]

cat can has cheeseburger

[torpid bridge]

What is the difference between cheeseburger and hamburger?

[pine dragon]

Cheese

[torpid bridge]

Does cheeseburger only have cheese ?

[pine dragon]

Or no cheese

[manic zealot]

I was so tense

[stone shell]

i mean i think hamburgers can have cheese

[wintry ice]

one has cheese the other doesn't

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

[pine dragon]

Hamburger has no cheese

Cheeseburger has cheese

All cheeseburgers are hamburgers but not all hamburgers are cheeseburgers

[pine dragon]

A cheeseburger is a kind of hamburger

But usually hamburger refers to no cheese

In common dialect

[torpid bridge]

Im also tensed

[wintry ice]

i kinda just use both interchangably

[pine dragon]

You monster

[wintry ice]

burgers without cheese are kinda boring for me

[torpid bridge]

I get poop problem having cheese

[wintry ice]

(i am also esl so)

[torpid bridge]

I dont have lactose intolerance

[stone shell]

me just say burger

[wintry ice]

i like burgers with cheese and mayo

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

[pine dragon]

I'll take no cheese if the place uses American cheese

It's not cheese

[torpid bridge]

Same here

[wintry ice]

i mean i don't go to large chains often

[cyan sparrow]

they should have a Balatro meal deal at Burger king!

[pine dragon]

American cheese is just sliced disappointment that can't even legally be called cheese

Thus they aren't cheeseburgers

Because they have no cheese

[torpid bridge]

What will be there?

[pine dragon]

I will say one thing

Pasturized processed cheese product makes good grilled cheese

(preferably with ham for a melt)

So it has a niche

[cyan sparrow]

a banana, ramen, egg, root beer and an ice cream

[wintry ice]

i just use mozzarella when i make one for myself

[prisma oak]

I was gonna beat purple but i miss read an eternal joker.... and lost the run to it

[wintry ice]

(i don't usually have any other cheese)

[pine dragon]

Without ham usually real cheese is better

With the inclusion of ham

[torpid bridge]

Mistakes refine you

[pine dragon]

That's a pretty fire combo

[torpid bridge]

You'll make a banger next time

[pine dragon]

American cheese pairs fine with sour kraut on grilled cheese

So there's that at least

Still I'd prefer real cheese for that too

(without ham)

[prisma oak]

It was the last boss...

[pine dragon]

Can't you see we're having a deep culinary discussion here?

How rude

[prisma oak]

bro i got negative eternal egg

so useless

[pine dragon]

Temperance value

(which is why I'd unironically take it lol)

If I have the money atleast

[kind creek]

The temperance

[odd scroll]

A hamburger has no cheese, and a cheeseburger does

[kind creek]

the 578 mult swashbuckler

[pine dragon]

But a cheeseburger is, by definition, a type of hamburger

[thorny pebble]

so like literally any statement

[kind creek]

True!

[pine dragon]

Although not referred to as such by rhe public

[torpid bridge]

Every discord statement is trash ngl

[pine dragon]

Generally

[violet lagoon]

It's still egg joker soo

[pine dragon]

Even this one fr (it's on discord)

[torpid bridge]

Even this one

[pine dragon]

Beat you to it

[pine dragon]

Unfortunately it's not negative eternal rental

Maximum funny hasn't been achieved

[prisma oak]

Blueprint first joker time to screw up the run

[torpid bridge]

Blueprint in the first shop is kinda like a bait

[prisma oak]

it was in a pack

[violet lagoon]

Localthunk why you made the egg be eternal 💔

[torpid bridge]

Blueprint without other jokers is just blueprint

[pine dragon]

I've taken negative eternal rental before

I had to

It's just so silly

It goes against everything egg stands for

[torpid bridge]

Have u ever got a pack ile this?

Doomed yuri

In the pack

😔

[pine dragon]

I'd take the blueprint fr

[wintry ice]

born to yuri, forced to have a job

[pine dragon]

Crazy pack

[stone shell]

brainstorm so you can ankh

[pine dragon]

Ankhing off in public is illegal

You know that

[stone shell]

if you dont ankh youre throwing the memes for the game

and where's the fun in playing balatro if you aren't gambling and meming around

[torpid bridge]

True

[thorny pebble]

thats too unlikely, the xmult advantage blueprint provides is more practical

[terse dock]

Genocide Is Bad

[pine dragon]

But it's funny

[thorny pebble]

current political discourse atm unfortunately

[stone shell]

what if he runs into multiple ankhs

[pine dragon]

4 brainstorms 1 actual joker

Peak

[thorny pebble]

thats literally unlikely

[pine dragon]

But it's funny

[thorny pebble]

like what if they run into any xmult joker

[pine dragon]

Think about the funny value

[thorny pebble]

very likely

[pine dragon]

Blueprint can be an X mult joker

[thorny pebble]

fine whatever skip for red card value

[pine dragon]

So can brainstorm

Same thing

They're the same fr

[thorny pebble]

3/10 ragebait

[stone shell]

actually theres no other jokers so both are useless

skip

[pine dragon]

Trueeee

[torpid bridge]

I took blueprint cuz it can sell for 4$

[thorny pebble]

what if instead of red card it was blue card and it gave -3 mult for skipping in packs

[pine dragon]

Brainstorm clearly says "becomes the leftmost joker"

Read the card

[stone shell]

1 shortcut and 1 seance came from ankhs

[torpid bridge]

3 shortcuts

[pine dragon]

That's very funny

[torpid bridge]

Crazy

[pine dragon]

This is the type of content I wanna see

[formal abyss]

just fumbled an a1 negative eternal rocket 💔💔💔

[pine dragon]

Post this run on YouTube

[stone shell]

old run 🥀

[thorny pebble]

rip an ecto so you can find another shortcut

[peak plinth]

Warra clutch for golden sticker popcorn

[pine dragon]

Absolutely

Actually

[stone shell]

funnily enough i later found an ecto and a soul -> perkeo

[pine dragon]

Another Seance for symmetry

[torpid bridge]

Do 3 shortcuts stack their effect?

[stone shell]

and lost because no discards sucks

[stone shell]

nope

[thorny pebble]

no

[pine dragon]

Skip 3 ranks

Lmao

[stone shell]

the only thing it stacks is the joker slot counter

[torpid bridge]

If it does id be pogger

[pine dragon]

Get 13 of them and any 5 cards is a straight

[thorny pebble]

what would that even dp

[pine dragon]

Lmao

[pine dragon]

Skip more ranks

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

Kinda this idea

[thorny pebble]

im pretty sure you wouldnt need 13 of them but im too stupid to figure out how many it would actually be

[stone shell]

i think you only need 10

A high-K-Q-J-A low

[thorny pebble]

why do you despise peak btw

[pine dragon]

Jack (11)

Queen (12)

King (13)

[torpid bridge]

Cuz if u accidentally play facecards

Boom

[thorny pebble]

just dont do that

[stone shell]

just dont play a face card

[torpid bridge]

I sold a couple of ride the piss for that reason

[agile pebble]

I jsut lost a run to forgetting to move a joker for brainstorm

[stone shell]

or play pair and include face cards

[agile pebble]

I'm so bad

[torpid bridge]

I said accidentally

Nobody intended to

Just like when u play dagger

[pine dragon]

I've only done that once ever

[thorny pebble]

dagger is worse than bus in almost every way

[torpid bridge]

Yesh

[pine dragon]

No

Dagger has infinitely better sound design

[torpid bridge]

Imagine having to save a joker slot for it to scale

And it can kill whatever on the right of it

[thorny pebble]

wouldnt it be fucking awesome if the bus honked whenever it scored

[pine dragon]

Have an eternal

[stone shell]

you dont really need to scale it past like 40-50 mult imo

[pine dragon]

Absolutely

I'm sold

Bus would be better than Dagger if that happened

[torpid bridge]

U still have to reposition it every round

[thorny pebble]

i would pick it up every time

[pine dragon]

Rn dagger is the better card

[stone shell]

selling soda should make a popping sound

[thorny pebble]

thats the use case fs

[torpid bridge]

Dagger is just annoying to play

[pine dragon]

It should sound like taking the lid off a glass bottle

[torpid bridge]

Not like its weak or anything

[thorny pebble]

it is weak tho

[torpid bridge]

Its gameplay just isnt fun

[thorny pebble]

like relatively

[pine dragon]

Dagger isn't weak because of sound design

[torpid bridge]

Well not really

[pine dragon]

Best scaling joker

Hands down

[torpid bridge]

Piss scales +4 mult per round on average

[thorny pebble]

every other mult scaler save a few is better than it

[thorny pebble]

you could say this about grimbo and supernova too

[stone shell]

swash + egg + gift card

[pine dragon]

They're all worse for one reason

[torpid bridge]

Dagger scales +5 or +6

[pine dragon]

They aren't satisfying when activated

[torpid bridge]

On the numerical value its not bad

But

U have to save a joker slot for it

[pine dragon]

Dagger makes the noise

Makes my autism brain go brr

[torpid bridge]

And its annoying yo reposition

[thorny pebble]

at the cost of 2 joker slots and an insane amount of money

[torpid bridge]

And i hate the sound

[pine dragon]

WHAT

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

I agree that

No oppose

[thorny pebble]

which makes it bad

[cosmic sun]

not bad but worse than the top mult scalers

[noble patio]

THIS >>>>>

[thorny pebble]

i think we have different definitions of what strong is

[pine dragon]

It's better because it makes the noise

[noble patio]

just won a run with swash +gc

[torpid bridge]

Yeah

I mean strong in numerical value

[cosmic sun]

frankly it can be better than swash cause you can eat the egg and have enough mult for the rest of the run

[thorny pebble]

yeah ok that makes sense

[pine dragon]

That feels illegal

[stone shell]

no temperance value 😔

[thorny pebble]

SYNERGYSYNERGYSYNERGY

[still spoke]

Okay but ritual dagger + riff raff, thoughts?

[noble patio]

you're kinda right

[pine dragon]

Not terrible

[cosmic sun]

doesnt matter when you ded

[torpid bridge]

I mean its just it

[noble patio]

inefficient, but points because it feels like a factory

[torpid bridge]

U still have to save a joker slot

[pine dragon]

Think about how morally wrong that is

[torpid bridge]

Which is annoying

[pine dragon]

I'd rather die

[cosmic sun]

that being said joker slots are overvalued

[thorny pebble]

You use most of your joker slots getting that to happen

[still spoke]

Very true, but you can also sell the useless ones in the meantime

[pine dragon]

You really only need like 2.5 slots to win

[still spoke]

So slight money + mult engine

[pine dragon]

Maybe 2.7

[thorny pebble]

im going in for win #5 on the gold stake streak pray for me

[still spoke]

I take it you like painted deck?

[pine dragon]

There's people who don't like my goat?

[torpid bridge]

Painted deck has +2 hand size to make up for it

U have bigger chance of drawing big hands

Or even do steel

[still spoke]

That's true, and you basically get a no downside ecto

[pine dragon]

That's not what makes that better per se

[torpid bridge]

Yes

It does

[cosmic sun]

I have C++

[still spoke]

Ending with + 1 handsize for less than a pallet is pretty alright

[torpid bridge]

I mean with +2 hand size u can do a lot of more thing

[cosmic sun]

you kinda have to know how to win with only a few scoring jokers to get a lot of stickers easily

[silk marlin]

You gotta know how to scale jokers to get C++.

[torpid bridge]

Chip scaling is quite good in the current game

[silk marlin]

Green Joker, Ride The Bus, Spare Trousers, and Supernova makes gold stake runs easier than you think. A lot of people underestimate them.

[torpid bridge]

I think most people understand it

Like

They are the basics

[prisma oak]

My banana just lasted 1 round

[silk marlin]

Square Joker, Hiker, etc. for chips as well.

Not sure they do…

[torpid bridge]

Maybe rookies dont

But with enough playtime they will know

[silk marlin]

I think you just don’t like to hear about Ride The Bus….

[torpid bridge]

How is that related to our conversation

The point if scaling jokers are quite basic

Runner, castle and wee are more than enough to have more than x2 value

[silk marlin]

I am new here, but not Balatro.

[torpid bridge]

Pairs have very low chips

Even if u upgrade the planet the chips arnet much

Its the opposite tbf

Chips are important in early antes and deep into endless chips just dont work out

[terse vale]

true

[torpid bridge]

Like

Baron or idol scores exponentially

Chips cant

😂

[terse vale]

chips mean way more that way! in ante 8 runs

I always try to go for at least 150 chips average each run

[torpid bridge]

Thunk wont make exponentially scaling chips ig

[silk marlin]

Yeah, no multiplier for the chips.

[terse vale]

thats called 2 mult

[torpid bridge]

Endless plasma also doesnt use chip

Chips have higher floor but lower ceiling

Thats how it works

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[silk marlin]

I mean… sometimes chips help.

[serene forge]

bloodstone is a 1.5 not a 2x

lmfao

bloodstone is so laughably bad

yes

[torpid bridge]

People in multiplayer be like "i lost cuz bloodtone didnt proc"

[serene forge]

rough gem is ok but onyx and arrowhead are freaking amazing

[torpid bridge]

Its hilarious hearing that all the time

😂

[serene forge]

average multiplayer player

tbh bring back 1 in 3 for 2x bloodstone

it's still not objectively better

[torpid bridge]

They also say opponents's idol always hit while their idol just takes up a joker slot

[serene forge]

because of the chance

[torpid bridge]

😹

[thorny pebble]

bloodstone is already pretty low tier for ante 8

[frank kiln]

^

[stone shell]

2x 1/2.5 trust

[frank kiln]

when Bloodstone was 1/3 it was basically useless

[serene forge]

yeah but i won't be able to clown on noobs that use bloodstone if they removed the rng from it

I hate The Idol

[thorny pebble]

true

[oak axle]

I'm cooked imo

Rip triple photo

[thorny pebble]

what the helly

[serene forge]

punished for joker selection

[torpid bridge]

Keep the bigger ranks in hand

[stone shell]

i got an idea for idol but its probably better suited as a new joker

[serene forge]

is white stake really so easy that you can survive off of one photo trigger and 2 foils

me when i lie

[thorny pebble]

liar liar pants on fire

[serene forge]

anecdotal

[thorny pebble]

bloodstone and consistent in the same sentence

[serene forge]

i used jimbo in my first gs win

[oak axle]

I guess but I had steels to survive

[serene forge]

checkered deck solves one of many many issues bloodstone has

bloodstone still crap

literally bottom 5 joker

[thorny pebble]

also the head just kills any bloodstone build immediately

[serene forge]

i greed into using jokers that are actually good, not to shoehorn myself into using trash ancient joker that costs 2 slots

[stone shell]

Reworked Idol

+1x mult when [card] is scored
-# Card is changed as the end of each round.

[thorny pebble]

seance

[serene forge]

showman idol seance baron

[thorny pebble]

idol

[torpid bridge]

It sounds like castle but on mult

[thorny pebble]

baron i think can do something sometimes

[torpid bridge]

Worse than castle ig

[thorny pebble]

even in ante 8 gold stake

[torpid bridge]

Baron is free steel

[serene forge]

i don't give a fuck

[thorny pebble]

we talking about ante 8

[serene forge]

good players don't give a fuck about endless

[stone shell]

na its meant so if you find the specific card you get rewarded permanently

[serene forge]

because there's no fucks to give to a mode that has like 5 viable jokers in it

[stone shell]

instead of hoping you get what the idol demands

[placid ridge]

first shop temptation

[thorny pebble]

🎣

[serene forge]

because i want to move on with my life?

[serene forge]

yo 8ball

[thorny pebble]

gay lesbian hornet what is your gs win streak

[torpid bridge]

8 ball

Take it

[serene forge]

i have no idea

i think i've gotten 3 in a row on yellow before

[stone shell]

if theres an interest skip then do it

[serene forge]

how is endless fun when there are like 5 viable jokers in it?

[placid ridge]

Do I have to though... I guess I do for the gold sticker...

[serene forge]

endless is literally a solved game

[thorny pebble]

baron is very bad for gold stake but it does occasionally have a use case, especially if you get it after mime, an actual goated joker

[serene forge]

there's no variety to it

ok but your argument was that baron is needed for naneinf

true

[frank kiln]

are we arguing for naneinf or are we arguing for ante 8

[stone shell]

baron is just bad outside naneinf

[serene forge]

semantics

baron is trash regardless

[thorny pebble]

baron is bad but saying its bottom 5 and worse than like dna is crazy

[torpid bridge]

Dna is actually crqzy

[frank kiln]

DNA is very good tf

[serene forge]

dna is usable if you have a blue seal or something

baron just pretty much never gets used in gs

[thorny pebble]

what

[torpid bridge]

Dna and vagabond are gods at deck fixing

[serene forge]

i've had maybe one run on gs where i've said "hm a baron would really help here" (i didnt get baron in that run)

[thorny pebble]

mr bones is boss blind protection and an extra round of scaling

[lunar zealot]

bones is the definition of emergency scoring

[silk marlin]

I would like to add Trading Card

[stone shell]

its useful to hold onto baron in hopes your next rare is actually useful

[lunar zealot]

to deny bones's effectiveness is to be a worse balatro player

[torpid bridge]

Bone is literally x4

[thorny pebble]

there is a whole category of jokers i designate as "vessel protection" and bones is one of them

[lunar zealot]

If you can beat verdant leaf but not violet vessel do you just fuckin die when you get vessel lmao

[oak axle]

Should I imo

[serene forge]

i don't think you get to be shitting on luck based jokers

[lunar zealot]

eh prolly not

once is all you need

[stone shell]

i genuinely play loyalty card because its a boss blind slayer in my eyes

[thorny pebble]

not if you want to win

[lunar zealot]

Bloodstone is ontologically inconsistent

[torpid bridge]

Did u not take into account very few jokers can actually x4?

[stone shell]

NOBODY likes loyalty card except me 🥀

[serene forge]

can you read

[torpid bridge]

Loyalty can x4 but only two blinds per ante

[serene forge]

or are you illiterate because you're a balatro player

[lunar zealot]

Hey i like loyalty card

[thorny pebble]

i mean tbf loyalty card is straight ass

[frank kiln]

Loyalty is a fun card

[lunar zealot]

it's an uncommon

[serene forge]

i do

[frank kiln]

do it take it often? no

[lunar zealot]

it's emergency scoring dude

[serene forge]

loyalty card is probably my favorite trash joker

[frank kiln]

but it's fun to do weird stuff with

[torpid bridge]

The point is mrbones x4 value is so real

[lunar zealot]

what if you get violet vessel

[silk marlin]

There aren’t many jokers I would say “aren’t good”. Some aren’t exactly easy or not as optimal, but some are better for early game and some are amazing late game. Not each joker is simple good or bad.

[frank kiln]

it's also like pants

[serene forge]

most good players do

[torpid bridge]

And its among the few jokers that give x4

[lunar zealot]

Baron isn't good

[frank kiln]

pants is a very dumb joker but it's fun to play with

[stone shell]

mine is superposition because i once took an eternal rental superposition with vagabond amounts of money

[torpid bridge]

Pants is braindead

[stone shell]

i ended up winning the run

[lunar zealot]

And if the death save happens to be violet vessel?

[silk marlin]

I’d say Baron’s pretty good as it offers the highest possible score.

[torpid bridge]

Your goal is to win

[serene forge]

what's the next level after violet vessel

nothing because i just won

lmao

what

[lunar zealot]

naneinf on ante 8 gold stake?

[thorny pebble]

bones is good for when my nuclear family pair build with 2 +mult jokers, an xmult joker, and a chips joker run into the eye, the needle, or violet vessel

[lunar zealot]

what criteria are you basing joker viability on

[serene forge]

yeah so the game is over is what you're saying

[stone shell]

eh sometimes your build just gets completely curbstomp

[serene forge]

glad we're on the same page

[lunar zealot]

so when you've won?

[stone shell]

face card build vs plant

[serene forge]

i have also naneinf'ed 3 times mind you

i just don't gloat about it because it literally means nothing

[lunar zealot]

Naneinf is possible on 90% of seeds

[serene forge]

naneinf is just a luck based game

[lunar zealot]

endless has no skill expression

[thorny pebble]

i have naninfed once and dont have the stamina to do it again because its one thing

[serene forge]

apart from econ management there is literally zero skill to it

if you don't get antimatter by ante 24 you die

[thorny pebble]

id do ante 39 for sure if a perkeo presented itself to me

[serene forge]

if you don't get retcon by 25 you die

[stone shell]

naneinf proves skill ❌

naneinf proves you need a shower ✅

[lunar zealot]

Aaaanyway let's talk about a more valid point

[serene forge]

it's literally just rng and a waste of 2 hours if you don't get the right rng

[silk marlin]

I wouldn’t even say that. Whether going for naneinf or not, if you can deck fix and consistently draw kings, Baron is a decent joker. Same as Idol. They’re just specific. But it should take some work to have that effect.

[lunar zealot]

endless cannot and is not the method in which joker viability is discussed

[thorny pebble]

0/10 ragebait

[serene forge]

3 times is 3 times too many

[lunar zealot]

The game is discussed primarily about ante 8 gold stake

[serene forge]

huge waste of my time

should've stopped after doing it once

[lunar zealot]

therefore a joker's viability on ante 8 gold stake is what matters

not endless

endless and gold stake have entirely different metas

[stone shell]

buddy the reason is youd need to know the seed inside out to naneinf on it 😭

thats not skill atp thats memorization

[serene forge]

i do enjoy this game

[silk marlin]

Yeah, Baron over Idol, but do you focus on deck fixing at all?!

[serene forge]

gold stake runs don't make me lose after 2 hours because i got unlucky

[thorny pebble]

baseball card is a top 10 joker probabl

[serene forge]

gold stake is very consistently winnable if you're good

i'm not good but it's still fun

[lunar zealot]

Absolutely

[lunar zealot]

fork you are good

don't get ragebaited lmao

[stone shell]

this HAS to be ragebait

[serene forge]

when the bar is in hell i guess you can say that

[silk marlin]

My record for Gold Stake runs is a 4 game streak.

[lunar zealot]

you're negging yourself for someone who's definitely ragebaiting

[stone shell]

i havent seen takes this bad since the days i said showman was a good joker

[serene forge]

i mean you're comparing me to a guy that will call bloodstone consistent in one breath and mr bones luck based in the next

[placid ridge]

What build do you do if you have an eternal misprint?

[thorny pebble]

showman is at least genuinely funny unlike baron or idol

[neon jackal]

mr bones is 1/2 the chance of bloodstone so i'd argue he's right

[serene forge]

thunk doesn't like endless

[lunar zealot]

just pretend you have a +10 mult joker

[stone shell]

you made a mistake taking eternal misprint to begin with

[serene forge]

he says he's absolutely surprised that people care as much as they do about it

[lunar zealot]

the game was never designed around endless mode

[serene forge]

endless is not part of his design philosophy

[lunar zealot]

it didn't exist originally

localthunk added it because players wanted it

[serene forge]

which is why idol is such a blunder in game design because it's basically an endless only joker

[neon jackal]

imagine eternal banan

[lunar zealot]

if endless was considered in the bounds of balatro then 90% of builds would survive ante 12

[neon jackal]

haha

[lunar zealot]

but they don't

[neon jackal]

waitttt imagine eternal seltzer

[lunar zealot]

Also baron isn't good on endless; mime is

[neon jackal]

baron carries runs

[cosmic sun]

💀

[neon jackal]

wymm

[lunar zealot]

rebate cavendish yorick obelisk blackboard

[neon jackal]

ew cavendish user

[thorny pebble]

ok thats crazy

[cosmic sun]

s in chat

[neon jackal]

plus yorick is ass

ykw

[lunar zealot]

i agree

lmao

[neon jackal]

this was a ragebait attempt

[serene forge]

rebate, yorick, cav, blackboard, 5th i would say like certificate or something

[neon jackal]

rebateis good

[lunar zealot]

you think i disagree with you?

[thorny pebble]

yorick lowkey mid

[lunar zealot]

i fucking hate yorick

[neon jackal]

its awgul

awful

worse than chicot w/out bug

[serene forge]

actually no i would say maybe canio or campfire

whatever

they're all good

[thorny pebble]

hop off chigoat

[neon jackal]

canio is good w pareidolia no?

pareidolia and playing card

[serene forge]

maybe i'm exaggerating a little

[neon jackal]

chishit

[serene forge]

the point is that it sucks

[lunar zealot]

certi over obelisk is crazy

[thorny pebble]

fight me

[neon jackal]

???

in what way

[neon jackal]

gladly

[lunar zealot]

Bottom 5 is seance showman idol bloodstone throwback

[neon jackal]

seance is genuinely the worst joker in the game

[serene forge]

i don't give a fuck

[neon jackal]

but throwback is the best

with anaglyph

[lunar zealot]

endless =/= gold stake is the thing

[karmic garnet]

How do you get soul cards in arcane packs

[thorny pebble]

it can but it does take a while to get going, its usually just alright

[lunar zealot]

You can be good at endless but the skill doesn't necessarily translate

[serene forge]

do we think throwback is worse than baron

[neon jackal]

sixth sense is so good

i love sixth sense

[lunar zealot]

That's the fault of the jokers i would say

90% of builds will die to ante 12

[acoustic kettle]

Throwback is uncommon

[lunar zealot]

and ante 13 kills the remaining 5%

[neon jackal]

throgoat

[thorny pebble]

thropoop

[neon jackal]

fight me

rn

[lunar zealot]

Throwback encourages killing yourself; baron just makes it easier

[neon jackal]

ill kill you

[silk marlin]

Easy Gold Stake wins for me would go to Holographic Joker, Constellation, Baseball Card, Photo, Chad.

[thorny pebble]

gladly

[serene forge]

what if you take investment skip and have 1.25x on it

[neon jackal]

baseball card is ass

with blueprints

[acoustic kettle]

Where is the campfire obelisk

[serene forge]

because baron is onscored so its bad

throwback fortunately is not

[silk marlin]

Dre, you’re ass.

[neon jackal]

mf said campfire obelisk im dying

[serene forge]

idk there's no real point in comparing shit to shit is there

[neon jackal]

???

holy stray

[acoustic kettle]

The two best xmults btw

[neon jackal]

idol clears

[lunar zealot]

@white zodiac add these two to the list kthnx

[serene forge]

Dre, you're ass.

[neon jackal]

thank you

[lunar zealot]

wait no that's his banned account LMAO

HAHAHAHAH

Why the fuck does he have a japanese name

@serene forge you ping him

[neon jackal]

yo son im crine 😭 nobody gaf

[glossy forge]

Vamp goes, right

[silk marlin]

You’re right, those were just my personal top five. Honestly Card Sharp and Acrobat would make it too for me.

[serene forge]

oh

[neon jackal]

yes

yes

ye

ss

fuck vamp

[lunar zealot]

'son'

[neon jackal]

i hate vamp

[thorny pebble]

whats it at

[serene forge]

@ancient gyro

[lunar zealot]

there it is

Lmao

[thorny pebble]

frfr

[stone shell]

ignoring blueprint brainstorm

Gros Michel/Cavendish
Hanging Chad
Superposition
Loyalty
Vagabond

[lunar zealot]

this always happens im not sure why im surprised

[serene forge]

Dre, you're ass.

[neon jackal]

larp

[glossy forge]

1.2

[lunar zealot]

@neon jackal address me

[neon jackal]

no

thak