🕹・game-discussion

[modern panther]

-69420 hand size my favorite

Feeners!

[royal ore]

jeremy does

[weak relic]

Evil and intimidating psychic

[marble hound]

Bro can't even read my mind

[marsh goblet]

chat what's an easy way to unlock the illusion voucher im tired of seeing 31/32 in my vouchers collection

[marble hound]

I unno

[modern panther]

Just find a jongleur

[royal ore]

anaglyph voucher tag?? idk

[marble hound]

Click the "unlock all" button /j

[marsh goblet]

holy shit ur a genius

i was just running zodiac

[weak relic]

Funny cuz I still haven't got it after getting all decks on gold stake

Idfc

[marble hound]

It's my wee in a pack

[weak relic]

Where's my hologram when I need it

[modern panther]

WEEEEEEEEEE

[marsh goblet]

same lmao

[marble hound]

Gee

🃏

[marsh goblet]

😔

[marble hound]

Ironic that the bus stop is gold stickered

[marsh goblet]

indeed

[ivory portal]

Dude I love restarting my game

I added the foil to a random joker

And it got added to mult joker

[modern panther]

Pls ping :3

[ivory portal]

Then I restarted

[marsh goblet]

anyways chat 67 joke aside is it a bus angle or a mask angle

[ivory portal]

Sold the mult joker

And used the thing again

[marsh goblet]

@modern panther

[modern panther]

Nei

Show full shop

[marsh goblet]

nothing else of interest

[acoustic kettle]

Bus

[modern panther]

Bus

[marsh goblet]

alr

[marble hound]

Sorry I'm used to people being annoyed by it lol

[modern panther]

FELLOW CIMP

[modern panther]

Ur gud :3

[acoustic kettle]

[modern panther]

[lost vault]

6 7

[glad viper]

im gonna chug a

[ivory portal]

FREAKING SOLID

[glad viper]

a bottle of the forbidden life blood my mother calls dish soap

[modern panther]

Why did i immediately finish that with "Red Bull?"

[glad viper]

red bull gives you wings

by making you die of a heart attack

[tidal pawn]

I need myself a monster 😔

[marsh goblet]

chat do i take this arrowhead for chips? i think the most i can score rn is 30k for 5 hands and i need more chips

[torpid bridge]

Its good as long as the boss doesnt debuf spades

[marsh goblet]

my pair is only level 3

alr

[weak relic]

How tempting...

[ivory portal]

LETS GOOO

joker stencil

[weak relic]

Kill gojo jimbo

[weak relic]

Also you should be copying photo with your BS

[ivory portal]

Yeah I just did

HAHAHAHA

i realized

Wait no

I'm copying chad

[weak relic]

No

[ivory portal]

Really

Alright I'll copy photo

[torpid bridge]

Thats a lot of foil

[ivory portal]

OMG

You're right

[weak relic]

I mean I stole some of y'all's luck with WoF

[ivory portal]

If I make this lucky

Would the polychrome disappear

[obsidian patrol]

No

[ivory portal]

Alright thank you

[obsidian patrol]

Cards can have 1 enhacement, 1 edition and 1 seal

At the same time

[ivory portal]

O

OMG

BLUEPRINT YAYYY

[obsidian patrol]

wowie

[weak relic]

Cool

[ivory portal]

YAHOOO

2m to 20m I love blueprint

ARE U KDDING ME

Bruh

[torpid bridge]

Classics

[mellow epoch]

The learning curve is awesome, not just beaten the red stake at first try (black deck) but also beaten my record so far and it's still going

[fiery pier]

And it's only up from here

[torpid bridge]

Well

The learning curve starts changing once you reach blue stake

[fiery pier]

That too

[mellow epoch]

and not even playing optimally, i totally forgot about no interest and kept over $25 so far

[torpid bridge]

Green deck doesnt have interest

[mellow epoch]

note to myself: don't play it while sitting on the toilet, 30 minutes felt like 5 and my legs are numb and cant get up 😄

[torpid bridge]

You're gonna get hemorrhoids

I never bring my phone to the toilet

[mellow epoch]

is that a joker?

[lost vault]

yeaahh dont do that

[torpid bridge]

Its a disease related to your butthole

[lost vault]

you risk hemorrhoids and pink eye and its juts bad

[mellow epoch]

i know, just fooling around

been there, done that...I sit a lot at work, I use that bent knee chair, also kegel and stuff

[torpid bridge]

I personally think being active is the key to maintain your health

The chair helps

[torpid bridge]

But doing exercises has more effect

When I stop working out for too long i got backache

[glossy forge]

I think the biggest blight to my health is my desk job

[torpid bridge]

Thats the case with many people nowadays

[glossy forge]

I ensure to keep buzzing around the office and rarely sit down

[mellow epoch]

i can squeeze the jam out of a donut and also can rip off a piece of toilet paper with one hand, im in excellent condition

[torpid bridge]

I walked my ass to the bus stop to maintain some bare minimum of activities im doing a day

[glossy forge]

That's great

The only thing keeping me sane in this capitalistic hellscape is the gym after work and my silly little card game with jokers

[mellow epoch]

What I don't get is why does the game eats up battery on Android? The visuals doesn't explain it, something is wrong with the optimalization.

[lyric falcon]

This is like my second(ish) run winning is this good (((0v0)))

[west hemlock]

I have not played Balatro in way too long going from not playing in months right to purple stake is a bad idea 😭

[mellow epoch]

I guess you checked Balatro University previously, good run for a 2nd in my perspective. I had shameful runs, got the game 4 days ago....gonna watch some BU videos now.

[lyric falcon]

Huh- Whats balatro uni

[mellow epoch]

a youtube channel, pretty recommended for players, especially newbies

[lyric falcon]

thats so tuff

[west hemlock]

He knows what he’s talkin about

Too bad his videos are as boring as a bucket of paint

[tepid skiff]

reccomended for everybody he's the best balatro player

[mellow epoch]

Rarran's "The GREATEST Balatro Player Coached Me. IT WAS INSANE." and other videos featuring Dr. Spectred (BU) are also looks fine

[misty ginkgo]

hello im new to balatro can anywon help me et to know the game?

[lyric falcon]

uhhh what do you know

im kind of a rookie but i won like two games and im getting the hang of it, we could trade knowledge

[tepid skiff]

doing the challenges are recommended for new players

[misty ginkgo]

just a bit but i cant get pass 3 lvl

[misty ginkgo]

can you help me?

[mellow epoch]

Just talking about the moment, Balatro University on youtube is the best way to start

[tepid skiff]

play on yellow deck its really new player friendly

[misty ginkgo]

i dont have unloked

[tepid skiff]

just play on blue deck than ^^

[misty ginkgo]

i did youtube dident help me tbh

[misty ginkgo]

ok

[mellow epoch]

Im still learning aswell :3

[lyric falcon]

you should look up a few easy synergy builds, i won my first game with a lot of face-based cards like scary face, smiley face, photograph, etc. i was a bit lucky though (fear )

[tepid skiff]

blue deck is good because that extra hand gives scoring, scaling and money

[lyric falcon]

i rly like using green deck its pretty easy to get good jokers really fast, plus I have NO idea how interest works in Balatro

[tepid skiff]

fair enough

[tepid skiff]

If u cant beat ante 3 just keep trying and learn what jokers work best with eachother

[misty ginkgo]

but can anywon get i call with me and acualy tell me what to do

[mellow epoch]

I'm not your man, but if I can suggest something: party finding out stuff on your own along with those Balatro University videos are providing a good game experience and journey....if someone else makes decisions, then what's the point?

Learning from our mistakes is part of the journey, you won't regret it, you get better and better...

[tepid skiff]

a small tip is that balatro is
skill > luck

except for BLOODSTONE

[glossy forge]

As much as I love Doc's content, it would've really helped me as a newbie if their were distilled lesson videos. I.e 10 minutes talking how chips, mult and xmult interact in a run.

Rather than a full 40 minutes run that dilutes the lesson.

Or components of a successful run

[west hemlock]

I just wished he talked about it more like an iceberg video guy

Then I’d be invested

[glossy forge]

I really loved the Naneinf video he put out for example

[mellow epoch]

That just proves that he is a teacher IRL 😄

[tepid skiff]

used to*

[glossy forge]

Takes me back to university where 40+ minute class and then I end up playing geoguessr in the lab 😭

[blissful fog]

Gg

Needed to get used to the 4 joker slots lol

[tepid skiff]

square joker my beloved ♥️

[glossy forge]

Painted is so cool, it lets you play massive hands

[blissful fog]

Got it to abt 160+ chips lol

[blissful fog]

Perfect for baron mime fr fr

[glossy forge]

I wish Black had the same vibe as Painted

Black deck chokes your econ and early game power

[west hemlock]

Having not played Balatro in a few months I’ve forgotten how to play Balatro 💔

[eager bluff]

In retrospect, should i take photochad instead of scary face? This seed baited me so hard on hangingchad

[eager bluff]

Then play it

[shell dagger]

yes, photo would’ve been +465 mult on a pair but scary is only +240 chips

[eager bluff]

Luckily i still won. Thanks for the input

[mellow epoch]

"yeyeyeyeye"

[cloud sinew]

@heady narwhal TTM adds self.ability.extra to the interest, then green deck sets interest to 0, i think this might be an oversight? TTM might be meant to work on green deck but green sets it after

cant be sure without thunk telling us though

[balmy gulch]

Nat negative acrobat, you're there for me when I need you most

[heady narwhal]

how and when does green deck set interest to 0?

[ivory portal]

I don't get what plasma means

[tepid skiff]

Its a deck that balances chips and mult and doubles score requirements

usually best deck for high score

[ivory portal]

Ahhhh

[balmy gulch]

(Chips+mult)/2 squared

[ivory portal]

Wowwww

Okay that's crazy

[shell dagger]

it’s almost always an increase to your score and if chips or mult is >5.8x higher than the other one, it’s easier than a normal deck too

[ivory portal]

First blind straight

[tepid skiff]

its usually mediocre or kinda bad for gold stake

[brave stirrup]

Just caugh another W and man I loved this setup

[balmy gulch]

Scaling go brrrrr

[ivory portal]

YOOO

Queen deck

[rough wyvern]

i had a credit card eternal and two more jokers... the invisible joker decide to copy credit card...

[mellow epoch]

that's a federal law offense

[rough wyvern]

having eternal credit card or the invisible joker being funny?

[mellow epoch]

copying credit card

[rough wyvern]

hey, where i can get mods?

nevermind, i'm blind

steam, but i dont see the workshop

nice, it would be great

i just want some life quality mods

[brave stirrup]

Honestly this my second day playing and I am already addicted. I was like nah Steam isn't enough and bought it on my phone already 😭 I am going to have a problem

[modern panther]

Balatro doesn't have access to the workshop. I could try to find the mod manager for you

[rough wyvern]

thx!

[modern panther]

Found and DM'd it

[fervent vortex]

guys idk what to do what should I do

ive sat here for like 5 minutes im scared

I only have 1 gold card

[latent egret]

if you skip you win anyways

[fervent vortex]

true but this is blue deck

so the yorick is gonna take a million years

[latent egret]

still gonna be a 5x at least at the end

if you get a few planet levels you're good

[waxen kraken]

My game crashed

[fervent vortex]

ok true but just in case idk

whatever ill skip ig

[fervent vortex]

thanks for inout

[waxen kraken]

Wanted to play a flush five to save my ass but I was too strong I guess

[fervent vortex]

nice

[plain briar]

should i take riff raff as constant fodder for madness?

[shell dagger]

No

[plain briar]

then i can scale

but its chill

[shell dagger]

madness scales without destroying anything

[plain briar]

oh

it doesnt need to destroy

[latent egret]

nope

[plain briar]

so i should find some good eternals then

[shell dagger]

yes

[latent egret]

it kills in spite of grwing

not because of it

[plain briar]

yea just realised

thanks

[cloud sinew]

okay i was wrong, green just sets no_interest to true and the check for interest is "...dollars >= 5 and not G.GAME.modifiers.no_interest then..."

[marsh dove]

how do royal flushes work? theyre just a renamed straight flush right?

[latent egret]

yes

[cloud sinew]

for everything besides the unlock and the hand display, yes

[marsh dove]

weird

[acoustic kettle]

Is royal flush a real thing in poker

[quartz ember]

well yea

but like

so what

[molten thicket]

it is

[mellow epoch]

why does the balatro calculator tells me that photochad goes before ballot in order?

[marsh dove]

if it wasnt i dont think the game would change. it would just be an ace high straight flush which would already be the best hand no?

[quartz ember]

because why not

yes

[marsh dove]

i dont play poker often its never come up lol

[mellow epoch]

shouldn't ballot go first to trigger cards, then the X2 by photo?

[molten thicket]

it would just be the best hand

[balmy gulch]

Royal flush is just the name of an ace high straight flush, it's not really its own thing

[quartz ember]

photo works whenever the first face card is scored

so

it doesnt matter

[molten thicket]

shouldn't it not matter whether photo or chad is in front

[quartz ember]

wherever chad triggers a card, that causes photo to trigger (if it meets requirement)

[mellow epoch]

I also got a foil on my ballot, so it should go first because of that, right?

[molten thicket]

again, it wouldn't matter

[marsh dove]

position of a foil doesnt matter

not like theres xCHIPS in this game

[balmy gulch]

Just clutched the pillar with all but one card debuffed by discarding my one purple seal and getting justice. Putting it on my red seal to stop it from being debuffed.

[mellow epoch]

oh, it would matter only with +10 mult I guess

[molten thicket]

unless you have a smiley? then putting smiley in front of photo does matter

[marsh dove]

no it wouldnt even matter there

[quartz ember]

possibly, but not on its own

[marsh dove]

the position of a +chips effect doesnt matter in any case

[mellow epoch]

Alright, thanks

[molten thicket]

xmult from photograph is scored before any of the holo/+mult effects are added

[turbid nova]

Immolate + Hex from a mega arcana pack

Let’s go

Sorry spectral pack

[marsh dove]

thats wild

[balmy gulch]

Photograph triggers on played cards. The +10 on jokers goes after all the played cards and held in hand cards

[acoustic kettle]

Hex a poprcon

[turbid nova]

And I got hanged man

Let’s gooo

Erosion sweep

[pearl moss]

Another run die because violet vessel

[turbid nova]

Oh my god you can’t make this up

[marsh dove]

whats the seed i wanna play this later

[turbid nova]

I might just win with 1 joker at this point lol

You can’t see the seed til you finish the game right

[marsh dove]

i might be dumb

ping me when you finish game then lol

i hope theres an ankh in that seed somewhere that'd be great

[spiral osprey]

guess who beat their first black deck

[acoustic kettle]

There's a brainstorm in the wraith

[marsh dove]

i remember one time i took a 50$ wraith and it was a blueprint

you always take the wraith

that one case justifies all the other times i died for the meme so it must be optimazl

[turbid nova]

My glass card broke and I’m not even mad about it this time

[turbid nova]

Big w

[spiral osprey]

i had hologram with x11.5 before i lost lmao

[turbid nova]

My KING Yorick 💛

Wish he showed up earlier but this works I guess

[spiral osprey]

hell yeah

[plain briar]

do i replace rebate

i dont have steel or anything yet

but i can build towards it

[balmy gulch]

How are you gonna built towards it?

[plain briar]

vagabond gives tarrot

[balmy gulch]

Solid answer

[glossy forge]

If a Queen of Hearts is made Wild, does she count as a black card or red card for Blackboard

[turbid nova]

Wish me luck

[cloud sinew]

matador my goat

[turbid nova]

Oh I got director’s cut

[glossy forge]

MataGOAT

[cloud sinew]

black

[turbid nova]

I might be fine though

[cloud sinew]

Blackboard checks if a card is clubs or spades, and wilds make the check succeed

thats why stones stop blackboard working & why blackboard triggers on 0 cards

because blackboard checks if the # of cards in hand = the number of black cards

[balmy gulch]

If I have 2 Mr bones do they kill themselves at the same time?

[cloud sinew]

No

[balmy gulch]

That's quite intelligent of them

[copper horizon]

5k

[pearl moss]

Shame flower pot doesn't work the same as blackboard

Would be good if it only require 1 wild card

[sly bolt]

hello chat I'm pretty new to the game, how do I unlock the scribbled joker?

[mellow epoch]

Question about Ballot + photograph, red seal ace or glass facecard is better as starter? (max multiplier is the goal)

[pearl moss]

But you have c++?

[cloud sinew]

glass face card

[mellow epoch]

thanks

[cloud sinew]

unless you have pareidolia

[sly bolt]

face for photo

[mellow epoch]

I don't 😐 thanks btw

[rich mauve]

wheel hit polychrome twice ✌️

[pearl moss]

All but lies

[acoustic kettle]

oops doing overtime work

[hardy fable]

[mellow epoch]

It's ogre, but was fun...best run so far (I realize I made several blunders), pretty good seed

[turbid nova]

Here you go!

Have fun

[pale wolf]

marker

[turbid nova]

Make sure to buy lots of spectral and arcana for immolate and hanged man

I got my deck down to 34 cards

I’m consistently getting a million chips per play maybe I can finally reach ante 12

[mellow epoch]

Unlocked green stakes (first time) on the no interest deck...this is my first shop....mama

I guess I must go with the blueprint

[turbid nova]

Yep

At least with this deck it’s easier to generate money early

[mellow epoch]

yeah but I got to boss blind and I can pick todo or hiker, both useless, I can reroll and will left with $6 to buy a joker...if I get any...I guess it's risk time

Poetry...alright, let's see

[plain briar]

vagabond or trading card for deck fixing

[fleet anchor]

This would of been useful early game

[mellow epoch]

Just thought the same with Joker Stencil (not discovered) in round 2

[fleet anchor]

YOOO FINALLY ITS LATE BUT FINALLY

Blank voucher was in ante 3

[glossy forge]

Menacing rental gay jimbo

[fleet anchor]

Btw what's better card sharp first or baseball

[fleet anchor]

Best joker in game op

Lol

[last geyser]

Holy w

Do I take this?

Then ecto

[fleet anchor]

LETS GOOOOOO

All the decks at last....

😔

[mellow epoch]

hihi

[fleet anchor]

Omg.... worst legendary on ante 10 idk if i can make it

[fleet anchor]

Hi

[simple jacinth]

the ten dollar,

[fleet anchor]

I refreshed a few times nothing came up

[simple jacinth]

Managed to cross another one off the list by just stockpiling a ton of cash and running vampire/midas/pareidolia

only steel, glass, troub, and dagger to go

[fleet anchor]

I did good tho right? 😭 ante 10 on orange stake

[mellow epoch]

Hi (I was laughing tho :D)

[fleet anchor]

Mb

[mellow epoch]

❤️

[fleet anchor]

Yall could probably do better

Noice

[simple jacinth]

I've never seen this interaction before

Big ouch

[pearl moss]

2 new gold joker

yes i play obelisk

its was too scary

thankfully i had ouija

especially at the final phase

finally 1 gold joker left

which is the midas

the journey is almost over

ride the bus help a lot

thank goodness that my ouija did not land on faces

that's a touchy subject

[dusty zenith]

fair

[fleet anchor]

Wot

Probably best I didn't have time to read that

Anyway can I get an example on how to use this card? Its either confusing or im just to tired

[pearl moss]

itsd need to be club with other suit

[acoustic kettle]

Well you have to play at least 2 suits
Club and non club

[pearl moss]

so if you play a pair that includes a club and a different suit

it would activate

[balmy gulch]

If u score a club and a not club, it gives x2

Madness runs with no eternal is too stressful

[fleet anchor]

Ahhh alr ye I was thinking like a steal card not club not played

But that didn't make sense

[rugged umbra]

do two wild club cards trigger that

[acoustic kettle]

I think one works (?)

[cloud sinew]

one wild triggers it

[rugged umbra]

ohh okay

[fleet anchor]

[hardy fable]

[lost vault]

one wild and one other card!!

[fleet anchor]

Let me try 100 more

Dam

[lost vault]

hey one of them landed

[fleet anchor]

Lol

[lost vault]

got polychrome on me

wahaha

[fleet anchor]

Nah u need dice for that

[cloud sinew]

nope

seeing double procs on a high card wild

[lost vault]

are we serious

[zinc zephyr]

rate synergy

[lost vault]

thats crazy

seeing double is so easy to proc

[cloud sinew]

its because seeing double does two checks

it checks if it's a club, which the wild succeeds

then it checks if it's a heart/diamond/spade, which it succeeds

[lost vault]

thats wacky

[torpid bridge]

I guess thats the only point of wild cards

[zinc zephyr]

Is this the worst starting arcana pack of all time

[torpid bridge]

Painting deck into world or moon is good

[molten thicket]

LMAO

[zinc zephyr]

Guess I'll do sun fool sun (bloodstone + oops all 6s next shop trust me)

[unique abyss]

Could be worse

[lost vault]

oh my god bruh

[acoustic kettle]

Any black suit is better

BB

[fleet anchor]

And if u get the joker that diamond and hearts are the same u get money

[cloud sinew]

it's unnecessarily long code because of this too

[zinc zephyr]

I have a chad hanging around

[acoustic kettle]

This seems very inefficient

[cloud sinew]

it is

[lost vault]

wait it checks for a wild card?

like directly

whats all the extra code for then 😭

[cloud sinew]

wild cards are usually hard coded with jokers like seeing double

other examples are like

[lost vault]

board ?

[plain briar]

are we fr

[cloud sinew]

nah blackboard is very simple

[cloud sinew]

it just checks if # of black(spade/club) cards = # of cards in hand

[acoustic kettle]

Can thunk just

Make wild card = all suits instead

[lost vault]

fair

[cloud sinew]

the reason why theyre hard coded for flower pot and seeing double

is because of how thunk went about solving the paradox

[cloud sinew]

where if a wild card is debuffed it no longer has it's effect, and should no longer be debuffed, etc

like

[lost vault]

i thought the logic was just that the debuff is only applied once

[acoustic kettle]

10 dollars because it's triboulet

[lost vault]

but that doesnt make sense cuz u can change suits mid round to undebuff

[pearl moss]

no midas sadly, but at least aces was cool to do

[cloud sinew]

the check is applied to every card, and when you change a card you need to check it again as that card hasn't been checked

[valid abyss]

woah i forgot about balatro

[pearl moss]

2 scholar and hanging chad was pretty cool

[lost vault]

i see

[valid abyss]

same people i saw last time are still here thats reassuring

[cloud sinew]

otherwise cards would stay debuffed when they shouldnt be, and vice versa

[lost vault]

miaw

[acoustic kettle]

Well true i guess

[lost vault]

ya

[acoustic kettle]

But the process sounds so unnecessarily long

[valid abyss]

SHUT up miss irrelevant

[lost vault]

nyaah

wait

[valid abyss]

i dont know you therefore you dont exist

[cloud sinew]

there definitely is a better way of doing it but the solution works*

[lost vault]

thatsvkinda mean

how do u not know me

i know u

[valid abyss]

im a celebrity

[lost vault]

does skinkina make me unrecognizable

ngn

[cloud sinew]

because of how thunk coded wild cards & debuffs, flower pot doesnt check the base suit of wild cards when theyre debuffed

[lost vault]

gng

[lunar zealot]

who are you

[lost vault]

i am skinky

meow

[valid abyss]

ladies ladies back off ive already given 0 autographs

[silk tapir]

i bet on madness, thank god i found jimbo early enough to carry my mult

[lost vault]

make it -1

[cloud sinew]

so wild cards are a detriment to flower pot triggering even when the card would be debuffed without being wild

[valid abyss]

too late

[silk tapir]

essentially they're suitless to the pot when debuffed?

[lost vault]

im surprised you dont remember me i was fairly active

[valid abyss]

i havent been here for the good part of 4 months so

[lost vault]

thats how they be for everything

right

[lost vault]

i was active 4 months ago

[lost vault]

except blackboard maybe

[silk tapir]

I don't think they're suitless when blackboard is checking

[cloud sinew]

debuffed cards still count for forming flushes

[lost vault]

well yeah

[acoustic kettle]

Surely there's a better and shorter way for doing the checks

[brave stirrup]

The debates here. I could get rid of a even steven and get rid of a +10 Mult but should I 🤔

[lost vault]

who knows

[cloud sinew]

then they cant be suitless. the condition for flushes is suits

[lost vault]

but for jokers i mean

[acoustic kettle]

What's the dna for

[calm furnace]

cartomancer so peak

[valid abyss]

dementia i guess

or you changed your name

[lost vault]

buy

buy

bug

oh mu god

[valid abyss]

What

[lost vault]

buh

there we go

[valid abyss]

glad we came to that resolution

[brave stirrup]

I mean I could get rid of it, I was hoping to get more faceless cards duped but at long road it might not matter

[lost vault]

i am skonky

woaw

[cloud sinew]

@pale wolf splash lies. splash doesnt make a debuffed card count for seeing double, so it doesn't make "Every played card count in scoring"

[pale wolf]

I think I would tend to disagree, it is still counting for scoring but it is debuffed

[acoustic kettle]

[lost vault]

wow 3 jokers lie

craY

z

y

[pale wolf]

It's counting, but it is disabled

or something like that

[cloud sinew]

"all abilities are disabled" logically applies to the playing card, not the joker checking the playing card

i think this is more of an issue with debuff wording than anything else

[pale wolf]

yeah, the card is counted in scoring, just like a debuffed card that already fits in the poker hand by default is still being counted in the hand, it just happens to be debuffed and not do anything

[ruby ember]

I leave this server alone for a few weeks and suddenly there's a third banana???

[acoustic kettle]

So does wild card's base suit just disappears for jokers

[cloud sinew]

only for flower pot

well

jokers which explicitly care about the suit outside of scoring

[pale wolf]

i.e. I think that you would be able to trigger flower pot with splash on a three of a kind w/ debuffed off suit 4th card, but not without splash

[cloud sinew]

then again

[pale wolf]

assuming the three of a kind is three separate suits

[cloud sinew]

i agree only because flower pot states "if poker hand contains", rather than "played hand" or "contains a scoring..."

[pale wolf]

or sorry, seeing double

no no flower pot is the right one

[brave stirrup]

what should I get rid of for Acrobat

[pale wolf]

well my point is that splash allows the card to be counted in scoring, specifically in flower pots determination

Even though the card is debuffed, there is a noticeable difference

[clear magnet]

hey all I have 3 brainstorm and 1 BP and baron and Mime. Is it 3x on baron and bp on mime? Thanks

[cloud sinew]

which is interesting because flower pot's description doesn't say it checks for scoring cards, it checks for cards in the poker hand, which is implicitly referring to poker hand determination

[torpid bridge]

Even Steven

[pale wolf]

That's a fair point, I think what splash does is make all cards count as being in the poker hand

which technically is not the only cards used for scoring because of things like half Joker and square

but generally the poker hand are the only cards that matter for scoring

[cloud sinew]

big tangent but

i think that parei should make any rank be able to spawn from familiar, as others have said before

also i think credit card should be immune to rental

[glossy forge]

I want stone five...

[cloud sinew]

stones are hard coded to never work for flush determination

"if flush_calc then
if self.ability.effect == 'Stone Card' then
return false"

[glossy forge]

Rock and bones as the kids say 🥺

[cloud sinew]

debuffed stones are an interesting case

"all abilities are disabled", I would count stones always scoring as an ability even though its not listed in the description

[acoustic kettle]

There should be a flush rock

[torpid bridge]

Lua language is like

[acoustic kettle]

[torpid bridge]

Pascal

But look more python like

[blissful fog]

Which has 500 chips and 4 mult

[blissful fog]

And upgrading it will add +50 chips and 1 mult

[cloud sinew]

it goes against thunk's design philosophy

"not involve any specific enhancement"

[turbid nova]

Chat is a stone card considered an improvement for vampire?

[cloud sinew]

yes

[turbid nova]

K thanks

[hidden birch]

What should I get

[cloud sinew]

it's an enhancement, you can check in your collection under "Enhanced Cards"

[calm furnace]

omg this was so FREE

[cloud sinew]

chad

[hidden birch]

O

[pearl moss]

man i have been winning but no midas

where is it

been rerolling

and restocking

[cloud sinew]

+10 mult doesnt do very much here, nor does x2 this early, as youre on plasma deck.
white stake also means you should be focusing hard on chips unless you have a really good reason to go for mult/xmult

[turbid nova]

Never would I have imagined I would have a game where my most played hand is 4oak

[pale wolf]

does this have any actual effect

[turbid nova]

My deck is so small

[cloud sinew]

uhhh

[pale wolf]

I don't think so lol

[cloud sinew]

im tryna think of anything

i mean there's matador

[pale wolf]

ooh pillar matador

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[pale wolf]

hmmm okay okay

[cloud sinew]

new tech just dropped

[pale wolf]

singular case pog

[cloud sinew]

😎

THATS ALL WE NEED

[pale wolf]

now this needs to be added to [[Pillar, Matador, Stone, and Card Modifiers

(no)

[cloud sinew]

what

"except when debuffed"

[turbid nova]

Shit I discarded too close to the sun 😭

[turbid nova]

I ran out of cards and lost

[pale wolf]

who tf wrote that

[cloud sinew]

this is just misinformation, no? lemme test

[pale wolf]

imma find out

[cloud sinew]

i was using smods but ill check on mobile

[turbid nova]

I’m so dumb

[pale wolf]

also the table has two column titles swapped

lol

[fierce tiger]

yo guys i got a decent amount of faces, what do i sell for the bp?

[cloud sinew]

lol

[pale wolf]

you kill chad i think in that case

to copy sock

[fierce tiger]

was assuming so

[balmy gulch]

What was the last joker yall discovered?

[fierce tiger]

yorick

[pale wolf]

discovered?? uuhh

[fleet anchor]

Best deck to get $400?

[pale wolf]

probably rough gem or agate

[acoustic kettle]

I haven't unlocked 2

1 undiscovered

[pale wolf]

anaglyph endless money tag, or just a solid game on any decent deck

[balmy gulch]

I'm at 33% progress and am still missing 8 of them

[fleet anchor]

Alr

Im missing 4 more jokers 😭

[pale wolf]

ideally handy tag or economy tag, not investment (only gives 25 while the others have no cap and $40 respectively)

[fleet anchor]

One is gonna be harder that the others...

[balmy gulch]

Stone glass wee Andy double htr bootstraps matador

[pearl moss]

only you remain

[fierce tiger]

lmao i got the chad back after 2 shops with antimatter

[fierce tiger]

this is torture

imagine if it lands on photo

that would be crazy huh

or even better

the die

no

glass breaking, hangman, immolate and trading card count

well basically anything counts but it has to have breaking animation, either fire or glass

[vale mesa]

does it work with pareidolia

[cloud sinew]

@pale wolf misinformation defeated once again

[pale wolf]

yea i already knew thats how it works but didnt have footage on hand

smh smh

[cloud sinew]

just wanted to be sure

as i last checked with smods which couldve skewed my opinion

[fierce tiger]

yeah its gonna be fineeeee my play is based on lucky cards, and a photo isnt that bad of a joker...

yooooo its another socj

[hidden birch]

Well

[glossy forge]

Two Wees would be real funny...

[pearl moss]

if this isn't to roll midas

i will be angry

its not enough

[cloud sinew]

youre very unlikely to get a specific uncommon with that much money

[acoustic kettle]

what is this abt

red seals?

[glad viper]

ive awoken

[pearl moss]

i try getting as much goold with gold sticker with 2 hanging chad, but my luck is not on my side

[cloud sinew]

no, it's about Stone cards. they always score even when debuffed, when the balatrowiki said that "except when debuffed"

[acoustic kettle]

[pine swift]

3 barons and not a single mime 😭😭

[ebon arrow]

why couldn't I get this shit on black deck bro 😭

[pale wolf]

the stone card page needs a small rework too, in the introduction and then i think the pillar interaction is certainly not a synergy and more of a usage note

[ancient gyro]

a gamer check

so called endless voucher build when when

[brave stirrup]

Had a lot of fun with this build

[pearl moss]

another run win but no midas

[cloud sinew]

is Midas your last Joker you need to sticker?

[pearl moss]

yep

[calm furnace]

the game wants me to win every game today

[cloud sinew]

it's probably worth running anaglyph and looking for uncommon tags then

[pearl moss]

allright

[turbid nova]

I hate crimson heart

[calm furnace]

nvm i think i lost

[nova elk]

so I can win with 4 jokers right?

like if imma have 5 it won't count

[quartz ember]

uhh

yea?

[calm furnace]

oh i didnt

but was close

[turbid nova]

Like it says there if at any point you have more than 4 it won’t count

[nova elk]

kk

[glossy forge]

BRO I JUST FOUND OUT THAT ONLY ONE VAMPIRE CAN SUCK OFF MY CARDS?!

[calm furnace]

cant believe i almost fumbled this run to greed tarot cards

[cloud sinew]

the best deck for this is just to play Painted and never take a negative joker or Antimatter

[ancient gyro]

lowers your cortisol levels

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[primal dragon]

Maaaaaan

[molten thicket]

gay bloodstone

if theres a dice then ill pivot

[paper night]

gay bloodline i see

[glad viper]

i want it 💔

[paper night]

then kill photo

[quartz ember]

yea it sucks, i know

[calm furnace]

imagine that i almost fumbled this

for tarots

[glad viper]

💔

[glad viper]

it can do what to the cards

[molten thicket]

gaming

[hidden birch]

What should I sell

[calm furnace]

nothing

[molten thicket]

blackboard? or nothing

[calm furnace]

or burnt joker

[molten thicket]

yeah nothing

[calm furnace]

other than chicot nothing is of any value here

[hidden birch]

Imma sell burnt

[nova elk]

I don't have painted deck, I want to unlock checkered deck for bloodstone too

[hidden birch]

Holy luck

[molten thicket]

god damn

rick goes? if you deckfixed for queens/kings?

[glad viper]

gaming

[quartz ember]

nothing goes

[glad viper]

another uncommon joker... hmmmgjsjdngt9f

[molten thicket]

why would rick not go

oh im a fucking idiot

[quartz ember]

because

[quartz ember]

technically you are

[molten thicket]

fuck black deck

[quartz ember]

or negative jokers

[hidden birch]

Bru

Wth

[quartz ember]

nice

[hidden birch]

I just start a new run

[quartz ember]

why

[glad viper]

💔

[hard mantle]

i think im going to uh

buy the other joker and immediately sell it

these both kinda suck

[quartz ember]

ccitsp

[hard mantle]

least i got this

[molten thicket]

this is what balatro was meant to be

nvm i got a photo we are NOT gambling our lives

[fierce tiger]

cleared black stake everywhere

C+ is not cool

[quartz ember]

classic example of skipping fucking you over

[fierce tiger]

C++ is torture

[hidden birch]

Ah

[fierce tiger]

the game is about gambling, you cant blame a guy for trying

[balmy gulch]

Ultimate ante 8 brain off build

[robust pawn]

Hey guys what is this joker I can’t find it

[fierce tiger]

how much is on the swash?

[balmy gulch]

90

Steel joker

[fierce tiger]

oh

[robust pawn]

Ty

[balmy gulch]

I didn't get giftcard till this round sadly

[hidden birch]

...

[hard mantle]

took it coz its foil

[quartz ember]

good

[hard mantle]

good utility + foil makes it worth the eternal in my eyes

[quartz ember]

value and a little bit of score

[paper night]

time to gamble

[terse vale]

completely fair

[hard mantle]

this build is SO jank though

[quartz ember]

yet another win for non-skippers

[terse vale]

you’ll be fine soon

[paper night]

thats why we needed the free reroll

[hard mantle]

dammit this is perfect for my build but its perishable wehhhhhh

im taking it anyway but

[glad viper]

yknow this is fine

[terse vale]

wait why

[terse vale]

what did you replace

[hard mantle]

even steven

ill prolly regret that

[terse vale]

I guess that kinda makes sense

ehh

[hard mantle]

oh, yeah, no im losing this hand

[native cape]

i cant seem to beat purple stake

idk why

[hard mantle]

im just gonna restart, i physically cannot get the score required even if every hand was a full hearts flush

[hidden birch]

Yall

What's the chance

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[hidden birch]

BRU

Wild seed

[quartz ember]

chicot?

[native cape]

dang

[hidden birch]

I got trib

[quartz ember]

its definitely tough

[safe ibex]

YOOOO

[void topaz]

one of these things is not like the other

[safe ibex]

perkeo would mayyyybe be better but thats still like one of the best hits

[balmy gulch]

Nvm this is the build

[hard mantle]

i fuckin guess

[safe ibex]

mult

[void topaz]

take summit

[hard mantle]

always take banana

[safe ibex]

i think banana is probably better here

cavendish potential

[void topaz]

i guess if cavendish shows up

[calm furnace]

25 unconditional mult vs 15 conditional mult

[safe ibex]

not that hard to get other scoring once you have scoring working

[calm furnace]

its not even a question

[void topaz]

but like im just thinking about your mult being gone randomly

[safe ibex]

25 unconditional that can randomly fuck off vs 15 conditional mult

[safe ibex]

even still, i think banana is beter

*better

[calm furnace]

the +25 will one shot most of early game giving enough econ to find another mult

[void topaz]

i dont remember serenity being a spectral

[calm furnace]

its risk vs reward

[hard mantle]

taking a gamble that this wont backfire horribly

[calm furnace]

but in balatro it pays to take risks if they the reward is massive

[paper night]

surely it wont, trust me

[void topaz]

lowkey black hole is like

underwhelming

[calm furnace]

not much gamble as a king straight will be +15

wihout the banana

[void topaz]

same chance as soul and soul is like infinitly better

[hard mantle]

GOD DAMMIT

THIS WAS THE CARD I WANTED FOR MY ORIGINAL BUILD

im restarting now that pisses me off

[void topaz]

its time to do it this time

[void topaz]

what

[calm furnace]

huh

you have the order and banana

and you wanna restart

[void topaz]

hmmm

[balmy gulch]

I sell swashbuckler here right? He's at 150 and daggers at 0

[calm furnace]

you just need like 4 levels in saturn

[hard mantle]

yes. because im pissed

[calm furnace]

and you win

[void topaz]

god i love reading

[hidden birch]

HOW

[calm furnace]

pissed because? 😭

early game its easier to get straights than 4oak

[calm furnace]

if anything order is better here

[hard mantle]

i like playing 3oak/4oak

i hate playing straights

[void topaz]

early game getting straights is easier yes

but like how tf are you building for it

[calm furnace]

cut cards

[void topaz]

the game can just randomly deciede its yourtime

[void topaz]

yeah thats 1 tarot card

[calm furnace]

straights are so strong that you need one hand to win

[void topaz]

while 4oak builds have like 3

[calm furnace]

so the extra hands work as discards

[hard mantle]

so does 4oak

[void topaz]

econ loss econ loss wee woo wee woo

[calm furnace]

there is econ loss to scale mult jokers with hands

[void topaz]

ok yeah but your not drawing a 4oak for like

[calm furnace]

its the same thing

[void topaz]

a while

[calm furnace]

but until you get solid econ and tarot generations

[void topaz]

but banan is letting you deck fix freely

[calm furnace]

straights are safer than 4oak

later on with enough deck fixing 4oak becomes easier and more consistent

[native cape]

dont mind if i do O.o

[void topaz]

ive lost too many times to missing 1 card in my straight

[hard mantle]

its not really hard to draw 4oaks

[calm furnace]

and there is the odd chance of finding shortcut and making straights as easy as pairs to play

[void topaz]

9 hand size makes it much easier tbf

[paper night]

reminder to hex before taking anything
or just sell it if u want

[void topaz]

well yeah but like after a couple antes

[latent egret]

not as easy but almost

i still discard more often than for pairs

[safe ibex]

PLEASE sell your hex for interest, your econ is horrendous

[hard mantle]

its abt the same chance as drawing a straight lol

[calm furnace]

yeah, maybe as easy as 2 pair would be more accurate

[void topaz]

like

[safe ibex]

well you wont hit interest but you know

[calm furnace]

absolutely not

[safe ibex]

just sell it

[void topaz]

at the start of the game?

what is bro yapping about

[calm furnace]

chances of drawing a straight is higher than a flush full house and 4oak

there is a reason why straight is the weakest 5 card hand in poker

[cloud sinew]

this is absolutely not true

[native cape]

its only round 3

[hard mantle]

plz dont call me bro

[safe ibex]

true but also still

[void topaz]

is flush not easier here

[calm furnace]

nope

[safe ibex]

also nothing to use it on

[void topaz]

damn it feels like that

[ancient gyro]

u should add terraria on your special interest list

[cloud sinew]

flushes are easier

[void topaz]

with the addition of discards and being able to like go for whatever suit the games giving you it always feels like flushes just happen way easier

ok my rain isnt bad lets go

[cloud sinew]

that doesnt hold true for balatro

[void topaz]

ok wait a second

whats going on with this list

[latent egret]

high card so rare man

[void topaz]

like whats it actually mean

[cloud sinew]

this is with 2 discards 8 handsize

[void topaz]

no but like

[calm furnace]

this is based on what first draw?

[latent egret]

its gotta be the best hand

[void topaz]

why is three of a kind lower than roak

4oak

[void topaz]

why would it be first draw

[ancient gyro]

10k simulated hands with 2 discards 8 hand size. the probability of finding your highest poker hand

[paper night]

4oak still contains 3oak, so 3oak is higher than 4oak

[cloud sinew]

draw odds : reward, 4oak is one of the lowest in that respect in a base deck

[hard mantle]

good for early game :D

[calm furnace]

because the first draw influences your next draws

[paper night]

and then poof

[ancient gyro]

with optimal discards

[cloud sinew]

balatro draw odds aren't solved, there are too many variables and no proven "optimal strategy"

[void topaz]

but this still means 4oak is higher than 3oak for reward vs risk? accoring to the chart

[cloud sinew]

well

[ancient gyro]

oh

[cloud sinew]

optimal under my heuristic

[cloud sinew]

my heuristic isnt optimal, i was mainly just looking at straights vs flushes vs full houses

[ancient gyro]

with no other competition it has to be the most optimal 🗣️

[void topaz]

straight build btw

[hidden lance]

flat mult scaling

[hard mantle]

eh, not feelin this

[void topaz]

yeah definitly not dna

[calm furnace]

why is 2 pair lower than full house

[void topaz]

cause full house wins

[patent sail]

i just lost a run with two gay blueprints at the start thanks to not getting a single good scoring jonkler to copy 🎉🎊

[void topaz]

and its not much harder to find than 2 pair

[calm furnace]

is this for ante 1 small blind?

im not getting the chart

[void topaz]

i assume

[hard mantle]

GOD DAMMIT

[void topaz]

in any case i do think flushes are easier to find just like through expierence

[calm furnace]

yeah, im either playing flushes on first round or a straight if i see 3 of (8 9 10 j k q A) in my first draw

[cloud sinew]

the only thing that really matters are the top 3 values, the rest are flaky as a result of trying to optimise for scoring : draw odds

[void topaz]

notice how flushes didnt come with a prerequisite

[void topaz]

fuck it got me

[void topaz]

what are we yelling it

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[void topaz]

its simply time for straight flush

[void topaz]

me when the plant

[hard mantle]

i cant afford it

[void topaz]

no yeah

theres no way your doing straight flush so its not good here anyway

[calm furnace]

always do strush

[void topaz]

oh is this a new run

[hard mantle]

yea

[ancient gyro]

yeah it's not bloodstuh so can't do strush

[hard mantle]

eeeuuuuuugh

[void topaz]

next round

[acoustic kettle]

Free win

[calm furnace]

💀

[hard mantle]

i dont want to use obelisk, i fucking hate micromanagement

oh whatever

[cloud sinew]

its not micromanagement, just play one hand then switch

[acoustic kettle]

What micromanagement

Just get a hand to like 15

And done

[void topaz]

obelisk is bassicaly just fuck planets

but i like planets

[hard mantle]

easier said than done

[pale wolf]

if you play obelisk safe you dont even need to pay attention to your hand count

[ancient gyro]

epic meal

[paper night]

u still need planets even if u play ob

[pale wolf]

not especially

[acoustic kettle]

Early game obelisk is great

[quartz ember]

no its pretty easily done

[ancient gyro]

quite the opposite

[patent sail]

whats with your screen ratio 😭

[acoustic kettle]

Well for building it up sure

[void topaz]

oh yeah

i meant more like

[paper night]

well ye not as much as most runs

[void topaz]

when you get to higher antes

[pale wolf]

he plays on a big ipad with his pointer fingers

[void topaz]

i feel like its harder to make money with obelisk too though

[ancient gyro]

actually I still use my thumbs

[hard mantle]

yeah sure

[void topaz]

not yeah sure

[ancient gyro]

no lol

[void topaz]

well

i mean

actually obelisk marble joker is tech

[ancient gyro]

I have 20 screenshots of the wins that were plentiful in econ management as of yesterday somewhere

[void topaz]

why not though

oh i guess mail in rebate

[pale wolf]

doesnt seem great to me, obelisk doesnt want cards stopping you from making higher tier poker hands

[quartz ember]

makes drawing hands harder

[acoustic kettle]

If anything obelisk is a fun joker as it stops pair slop after 15

[void topaz]

i mean if you get flat mult your base hand wont matter anymore