🕹・game-discussion

[signal frigate]

That's a popular player name in that community

[woven spire]

"Donde esta la biblioteca"

[shell dagger]

ts is so ❤️‍🩹

vro said biblioteco

jk

[unborn cliff]

"puedo ir al bano"

imagine it's an enye

[shell dagger]

baño

[woven spire]

Ñ

[unborn cliff]

yeah that

[signal frigate]

Bathroom?

[unborn cliff]

too lazy to get the character

[shell dagger]

sí

[signal frigate]

Not looking forward to 2026 memes but we started out good

[unborn cliff]

sígma

[signal frigate]

I actually wasn't sure if that was the right meaning, we use the same word

[shell dagger]

σ

[potent tree]

omega wait

[shell dagger]

ω

[woven spire]

skyrim skeleton might be goated

[signal frigate]

Best meme of the month

Literal day 1 meme

It existed way back but it made a come back this year apparently

[shell dagger]

\pm2i\sqrt{19} is the best meme of 2025

[woven spire]

what

[shell dagger]

plus or minus 2 i root 19

too niche damnit

[unborn cliff]

b́äŁãṭŕõ

[serene forge]

what

[signal frigate]

There's a new meme every single day that we literally can't keep up

[unborn cliff]

chicken stars

purple plate

[woven spire]

balajikxdtrfgjnk

[unborn cliff]

balalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalalatro

[signal frigate]

Hey, free Naneinf

[unborn cliff]

here win

[unborn cliff]

nsfw balatro mod be like: ballslatro

[woven spire]

spare some change

[woven spire]

gsve me an idea.

[unborn cliff]

?????????????????????????????

[woven spire]

jk

lmao

[serene forge]

average bloodstone user

[woven spire]

.

[severe cloak]

Do we talk run advices here

[woven spire]

TRUE

[signal frigate]

Everything Balatro

[woven spire]

i saw that

[potent tree]

@serene forge i needs help here

[severe cloak]

What to sell for Brainstorm

[serene forge]

baron

[potent tree]

a baron

[severe cloak]

Bruh

[serene forge]

oh its ante 11

photo

duh

[signal frigate]

Wanna go for a Naneinf attempt?

[woven spire]

you alr can see all ur deck to force the best hand, why not?

[serene forge]

yeah

[signal frigate]

If so, go sell a photo

[severe cloak]

Impossible at this point I think

[signal frigate]

Not really, it's possible actually

[severe cloak]

Too high ante plus my hands are kinda shitty and low leveled

[potent tree]

was thinking i can maybe extract more value from erosion

[serene forge]

how is it possible

it's magic deck

[signal frigate]

They need a mime to make it work

[potent tree]

oh look burglar

[signal frigate]

But if they can't find it

They're probably dead

[serene forge]

saying it again

its magic

deck

[woven spire]

i would rather have another x3

[serene forge]

its ante 8

there's no time

[signal frigate]

7mil is easy with a mime, but their deck is also not fixed enough for it

[old urchin]

is this gg

I got 2 bean bugs

[serene forge]

maybe

[woven spire]

2??

damn

[signal frigate]

Bro time traveled to 2011

[serene forge]

but you only have 47 in cards in deck

are you sure

[old urchin]

I have dna

and I can play through blinds

[serene forge]

oh trure

[old urchin]

I'm actually shaking lol

does this have ante 39 potential even?

[potent tree]

oh trading card reappeared next shop

[woven spire]

Are you sure?

[potent tree]

epic...

[pale wolf]

it's better to have lower cards, as you see more of your deck

[serene forge]

lmao already got results

[old urchin]

idk how more sure I can be

[woven spire]

its just a meme lol dw abt it

[old urchin]

ah gotcha

[pale wolf]

where is it

[severe cloak]

7 mil is a breeze already past that point

[potent tree]

i guess duo has to go now?

[woven spire]

ragebait god

[severe cloak]

I got red sigil kings but yeah the deck isn't fixed enough

I need more silver king red sigil

[woven spire]

whats ur deck

[severe cloak]

But I couldn't fix it properly

[severe cloak]

Mime hasn't came too

[pale wolf]

i found it on my own

after

[old urchin]

I don't have goku unfortunately

[woven spire]

cant see it with all the random red

[old urchin]

too lazy

[old urchin]

ah right forgot need an arrow pointing to where the first arrow is

[woven spire]

yh prolly

[woven spire]

what arrow?

[severe cloak]

@signal frigate so which hand do I focus? What to do at this point, sell photo for a brainstorm?

After I get mime do I sell the other photo/chad for mime to get 2 baron 1 mime 1 brainstorm

[woven spire]

i apologize.

[severe cloak]

Refer these images

And which hand do I level up that's the hard point here

I'll just sell the photo now like you said and wait for an answer

Target was e10 but I realized my highest hand is e11 so new target is e20+

3rd baron?

Shit my bad taking this would just destroy the second baron to have still 2 barons

[forest birch]

Barons are we

1 2 3

[old urchin]

this is uh

a run of all time

[severe cloak]

Nat neg the family

Guess who didn't notice the upcoming blind

[potent tree]

well, not terrible for a run. although 4oak with this size isn't terribly reliable

[severe cloak]

Ggs

[unborn cliff]

fell for it again award

[woven spire]

im trying to unlock wee, what is this pack

ill lowk need the scoring right?

[forest birch]

Scoring is needed

[drowsy tapir]

Ayyo???

[severe cloak]

Guys what hand should I always level up when going for naneinf

[wintry ice]

high card

4oak is good for the ante 8 portion

[forest birch]

Three of a straight

[severe cloak]

It's so hard to level up too withhout early planets

[covert storm]

Should I get the Chad.

Tryin got get the invis joker and the $400 joker

[severe cloak]

I know you gotta maximize your held kings for baron mime trigger

[lost vault]

meow meow balatro chat

[severe cloak]

Open bufoon first i guess

[forest birch]

Mrrp mrrp meow mewmow

[forest birch]

I'd open the buffoon pack

[severe cloak]

Maybe duran duran joker is in the pack

[strange depot]

2EBBVS6T

fun seed

theres a invisible joker that gives a brainstorm

[forest birch]

Even Steven sweep

[strange depot]

yay

[severe cloak]

Take the left and sell it

[strange depot]

this was how i got merry andy

woo

[lost vault]

:3

[covert storm]

Would that prevent me from getting invis joker unlocked

[wintry ice]

jumpscare

[severe cloak]

Oooooooo

I thought you were trying to find it from the shop

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[severe cloak]

Yes it would actually

Do not buy it then

[forest birch]

Five nights at fredg

[severe cloak]

Best way to get that joker is just doing that deck that makes your max joker capacity 4

And not taking any negs just in case

What was the 400 joker again

[potent tree]

well this is embarrassing.

[forest birch]

Does anyone have any tips on unlocking the lvl 2 telescope

That's is my last one

[serene forge]

what happened

[potent tree]

i couldn't draw any 7s

so i lost because i bloated my deck

[covert storm]

Nah nah nah

Any advice on not messing up

[serene forge]

why didnt you just play some pairs

[potent tree]

i did

[serene forge]

oh you have no mult

damn

[potent tree]

my straight was level 12 i think

[muted geyser]

Playing pairs mmmmmm the last thing id do on this earth.

[potent tree]

but without shortcut it was joever

[potent tree]

super blunder

[muted geyser]

wack hand,wack hand.

Day 1 pair hater

[vocal rose]

idk winning is fun though

[muted geyser]

nawweee win a diff wayyy

[forest birch]

Pairs

[serene forge]

don't think runner was doing anything in that case

[potent tree]

yeah i picked it up the preceding shop

so i was just generally screwed.

[muted geyser]

who secures your extra penny on the first small blind SERTAINLY NOT PAIRS

[severe cloak]

How do you get that much double tags i forgor

[muted geyser]

my dumbass spelt certainly with a s

[covert storm]

The double tag deck

[muted geyser]

[potent tree]

wow ante 1 rare tag just keeps generating blueprints istg

[severe cloak]

What did it do

[serene forge]

why are you taking ante 1 rare tag

[potent tree]

investment was there too

and boss was pillar anyway

[severe cloak]

Sell the egg first, take the blueprint, then roll for a better noker than swashbuckler

Imo

[covert storm]

I DID IT WOOOOOOOOOO

[covert storm]

Appreciate the advice though

[severe cloak]

Ggs bro forgeited blueprint perkeo brainstorm run for invisible joker

And whatever the 400 joker was

I guess it was midas or something

[potent tree]

satellite

[severe cloak]

Oooh

Still u got easier ways

I like midas and golden ticket combo

Made some big money with that

[woven spire]

wasnt that bad

[nova mantle]

Congrats

[potent tree]

straight flush pivot time??

[woven spire]

thx!

finally got the funny guy

[stiff ore]

gee... thanks showman

the first duplicate i find.. is itself.

[scarlet sail]

Current one clearly doesn’t work, replace him

[serene forge]

"yo levy what's the base mult of a pair"

[woven spire]

interesting.

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 4 after a couple absolute throw guesses

[severe cloak]

I'm still trying to find the post where he said "Bro keep me out of your fucking memes 😂" or something like that under an agartha post

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 7 I'm an idiot gang ngl, thought this was ||4 dollars||

[amber forge]

I've gotten cryptid 3 arcana packs in a row, but no red seal lol

I feel slightly better about no red seal now

[viral ledge]

three musketeers ahh shop

[serene forge]

I hate The Idol

[potent tree]

i nearly just threw my run

thank goodness i was fast enough to realize

[amber forge]

I want to test how high I can score before I need to use my glass cards, is this the correct joker setup?

[wanton breach]

based

[viral ledge]

do i sock my buskin or handle the banana

[wanton breach]

yup

[wanton breach]

banana all day

[potent tree]

sell something for arrowhead?

dagger is +50

[night turret]

LETS GOOOO

[wintry ice]

i'd guess wrathful isn't doing too much

[potent tree]

i wonder if getting naneinf on mobile causes the phone to explode

[wintry ice]

i'd expect any mobile device to have data overflow handling

[night turret]

My phone did get a biiit hot hitting like e18 sooooo

Any idea what I should see so I can keep the run alive?

I’m thinking moon but

[wintry ice]

bloodstone or ice cream

[shell dagger]

bloodstone

[wintry ice]

don't forget to tale the vpucher btw

[manic talon]

Youre playing only 1 card bloodstone wont do much, well ice cream wont either considering youre on plasma

[jovial whale]

Yet another Spare Trousers Obelisk run (Black Deck, Gold Stake)

[potent tree]

nice. i remember i had to do a throwback fullskip to beat black deck gold stake this time around

WHY ARE MY WHEELS HITTING NOW

[wintry ice]

i mean you could keep ice cream if you're still worried about card draws

[potent tree]

too late for 4fingers no?

a baseball card would do rather nicely right about now...

[manic talon]

Ante 9 straight flush pivot

[potent tree]

i've been doing straight flushes since like ante 4 lol

[manic talon]

Then you wont need 4 fingers

[potent tree]

yeah and it's also level 22

so any i get should be able to oneshot ante 10 small blind, 2shot the others

[karmic jetty]

Golden needle challenge done on 1st try WOO

[potent tree]

damn that's impressive.

[karmic jetty]

Spade flush run carried me

[celest bridge]

bub
what

[potent tree]

i was too overconfident.

[woven spire]

just a tiny bit

[storm ivy]

Should I drop the Showman now while looking for The Blueprint? Traditional naneinf with 4 brainstorms is impossible, right?

[potent tree]

ngl this ankh lookin pretty spicy...

[amber forge]

New high score, plus no red seals and only used 1 glass

[woven spire]

go for those red seals glass then

[amber forge]

I'm saving my glass, and I have no red seals yet

[pallid ferry]

take photo?

[amber forge]

Finally, only took 25 antes

[potent tree]

between htr and madness which would be better...?

i'll skip madness for now.

[onyx pine]

Fun game to beat a ante

[potent tree]

ok this jumpscared me legitimately

[compact elm]

Goated combo

[somber whale]

What should I replace for Midas

🫦

I need advice someone

[mortal nimbus]

do your playing cards have any editions?

[potent tree]

that was real close. htr hit x3

[severe arch]

fym you gave me a straight on a standard jumbo pack give me that shit once i'm in a round bro

[cedar shell]

just draw it

[potent tree]

wow game. thanks for being a troll

rtb at 7 only, should i ditch it

nvm duo in buffoon pack

actually screw that i'm building flushes

[karmic jetty]

Ditch the bus!

[potent tree]

do i take a smeared and pray for AJ

nah.

[tacit quail]

ante 7 600k with a 3oak 2s build and i havent even procced card sharp yet

no wee

[humble gulch]

Okay

[potent tree]

rocket dies?

[tacit quail]

i'm mad my 3oak didnt do it in one hand 😡

[potent tree]

@serene forge i must apologize. but bludstone calls my name

[tacit quail]

gold sticker on greedy joker, credit card, matador, +3, lets go

106->109

[serene forge]

why

[potent tree]

because i'm building heart flushes for once

and i get 7m a hand wow

[cedar shell]

hear me out

this is the correct line

you find an oops, start fixing towards lucky cards and potentially a lucky cat, you passively fix into hearts

THEN you take a bloodstone if offered

[serene forge]

flushes with stuntman

rightttttt

[cedar shell]

hold on a damn minute

[potent tree]

i have paintbrush and palette so...

[serene forge]

oh

[cedar shell]

why not just do like 3oak

[manic talon]

its just bloodstone, same joker

[potent tree]

because checkered unfortunately strongarms us into flushing

[cedar shell]

this is not true

[terse dock]

Hi balatro are we being lesbian

[cedar shell]

lesbian is my neutral state

checkered gives you options to very comfortably slide past ante 1 while building welath that you can leverage into doing whatever

[terse dock]

Then why do you glaze perkeo

Which is it, Abe?

Better keep your story straight...

[cedar shell]

why are you salsa if i cant eat you

[manic talon]

a flush with a pair on it is way easier to do than a 3oak on checkered

[terse dock]

Cause im the monkey

And thats how aids started

[cedar shell]

how do you know about the origins of the aids crisis if ur a monkey

[terse dock]

I'm very well read

[cedar shell]

monkeys cant read

[potent tree]

well, that run is done. now time for orange stake

[terse dock]

Yeah I can how do you think I know what I'm saying

[cedar shell]

are you sure you do

are you positive you know the difference between the constitution and googoo gaga

[terse dock]

Indubitably.

[manic talon]

they can write shakespeare so thats something

[cedar shell]

they needed infinite monkeys for that

for an infinite amount of time

[terse dock]

One is the greatest achievement of a union and decades of labor and strife and the other is the constitution

[cedar shell]

i bet them mfs waited till the last second too

[misty karma]

thoughts on what my friend made (has won like 2 runs)

[terse dock]

Everything is in the last place you look

[cedar shell]

OH SHIT

wait

youre onto something, mb for questioning you

[misty karma]

i need to beat a gold stake run alr 🥀 havent played in ages and now im washed

[terse dock]

Dry yourself

[manic talon]

what

[cedar shell]

im hoping wrong reply.......?

[terse dock]

probably a misreply

[misty karma]

m

[cedar shell]

your friend has won two runs and isnt addicted to flushes, wild

[misty karma]

ok well

both runs he won

were hard carried by ancient joker

he just likes ragebaiting my other friends

who are flush stans

like

[cedar shell]

if you can actually pull of a strush build

[misty karma]

excusively play checkered deck

[cedar shell]

it might be maximum dopamine

[manic talon]

i get the full house but why straight flush specifically, that doesnt make sense with 2 pair

[misty karma]

mm

[misty karma]

idk i told him to just put flush there but 🤷‍♂️

[serene forge]

what about flush hourse

[terse dock]

Naw

Flush Horse

[cedar shell]

i was watching my sister play and i dont remember specifics but (she has never won a run, very new) she had been presented with the perfect pair pivot and denied it bc she had like two levels in flush

[potent tree]

you need deckfixing to get that

[cedar shell]

she also hates the bus

[misty karma]

i can respect him for atually trying hands that arent 5 card hands

[potent tree]

i mean, i do that a lot already

but...not usually going for secret hands unless it's 5oak

[terse dock]

Kill her and consume her

[potent tree]

oh look, a flush house...

[cedar shell]

shes my twin sister

[terse dock]

Free estrogen

[cedar shell]

she actually killed and consumed our triplet

[manic talon]

honestly flush house on checkered is like, winmore

[cedar shell]

yo

you know that german letter that looks like a b and is pronounced like an s

[terse dock]

Full house is winless if you think about it

[cedar shell]

elaborate

[terse dock]

No

[cedar shell]

damn ok

[terse dock]

ẞ

[cedar shell]

yeah that one

fuck that guy

[terse dock]

ß I can see it

vaguely looks like an ass

[cedar shell]

bro

i aint mean it like that

[misty karma]

😭

[cedar shell]

you are evil

[heavy heron]

ugh flushes scale so poorly!

(i have no flat mult source)

[potent tree]

oh dear. what a start...

[misty karma]

is this why i should try doing jokerless 💀

[heavy heron]

it’s actually not as hard as it sounds

jokers are replaced w tarots and planets in the shop

therefore

plenty of those will help you win!

[misty karma]

ive never been able to fix my deck that well while still having decent enough jokers

[heavy heron]

if you want to do the jokerless challenge, i suggest going straights

it scales so well you’ll outscale the blind requirements really quickly

and towards the end

a few pieces of glass or steel will do the trick

give it a shot! straights or 4/5 of a kind is my recommendation

[misty karma]

mhm

im on gold stake for ancient deck and then green stake on my next highest deck 😭

[potent tree]

chat is this instant win

[misty karma]

i used stuntman the other day for a pretty good high card build

but i def wasnt getting enough to beat a high stake run

like i could get 200k or so

[heavy heron]

that’s not bad!

[cedar shell]

ante 3 is a bit unlucky if you weren't genuinely spamming pairs before

[potent tree]

nah i'm spamming high cards now

i'm not your average obby user

[cedar shell]

if you have the high card pivot in ante 4(?) just wins the run

basically

[modest sigil]

guys i need help

what do i copy for highest score

[tacit quail]

two pairs >>> vessel

[misty karma]

i found the screenshot

[heavy heron]

i think double copy baron

[tacit quail]

gold stake on crafty joker + mystic summit, 109->111

[cedar shell]

double baron

[heavy heron]

copy baron with both blueprints because you’ll have baron, baron, baron, steel (4 scoring)

and mime, mime, mime, red seal (4 retriggers)

[modest sigil]

alr alr now how do i pivot into nanif i have no idea how this is my first time

[heavy heron]

play plasma!

LOOLLLL

[misty karma]

yea

other than plasma 🤷‍♂️

[modest sigil]

dam im tryna gold stake every deck

[misty karma]

pray that u get perkeo on god

[modest sigil]

im almost done

so im cooked

[cedar shell]

if you were on plasma though, what you'd wanna do is replace every mime but one with a copy jokers

then you'd farm money with parking to find a dna, copy red steel

on ante 24 reroll for serpent and skip straight to it or you'll die

[misty karma]

like in this high card run i had supernova, red card, blueprint, stuntman, to the moon and supernova + red card had abt 50 mult on themselves

[cedar shell]

on ante 25 do the same but you want a burglar before you go in

[misty karma]

but even with all the scailing i still only get 220k?

how would u do that in gold stake

where it scales faster

[cedar shell]

is there xmult on that lineup

[modest sigil]

so do i js enjoy the ride or what

[cedar shell]

you might need at least some of that if not

[cedar shell]

yeah

[misty karma]

how do u get the thing that shows the joker effects underneath?

[tacit quail]

guys: these jokers i have left to gold sticker. should i shift from ghost deck and play smth else?

[modest sigil]

its a mod

[tacit quail]

or is it not that point yet

[modest sigil]

i can share the link for the tutorial if you want @misty karma

[misty karma]

i havent even beaten gold stake 💀 but uh sure

[misty karma]

yes please

[tacit quail]

well than maybe not the convo for u xD i need advice from c++ andy

[modest sigil]

uh idk the rules can i js send it in here or would i get sent to the shadow realm

[misty karma]

well ik how to add mods alr i just dunoo what its called

[tacit quail]

jokerdisplay

[modest sigil]

^

[misty karma]

alr

[signal frigate]

Man you replied at the worst possible time for me

[potent tree]

well that sucks.

0 handsize vouchers or jokers

[fringe crest]

i beat telescope deck gold stake with only supernova and stencil

[potent tree]

nebula deck?

[fringe crest]

yeah i think

its the one that gives you telescope

pair builds are so beefy on it

i alr finished plasma gold and the other decks i dont have much experience on but ima start grinding black deck

[night turret]

You gotta be fucking kidding me

Like what the hell

[sweet rose]

So I recently came back to the game but I have no music and some SFX just doesn't play? But when I click the buttons there is sound. I tried looking up stuff and doing what they said but it's not fixed, uninstalled multiple times and verified my files as well. Playing on PC

[night turret]

What are you playing on, PC mobile, console?

[sweet rose]

PC

[night turret]

Ahhh fuck

[night turret]

Could be an issue with your speakers or head set,
If it’s not the game it’s maybe the pc

[sweet rose]

But I can hear other sounds from the game though

[wintry ice]

that doesn't matter with baron mime anyways

[manic talon]

yoo finally an orbital tag that works (its too late)

i rerolled into acorn so fuck it

[nova mantle]

interesting

[tacit quail]

skip andys it WILL work some day

[fervent wolf]

I feel lucky every time I see this happen to someone

[atomic trout]

11 rounds 🤯

[tacit quail]

yeh i accidentally played an sb on a8

i had a hiero

so

it was like 10 rounds in 9 antes before that

5x throwback

[fervent wolf]

I have 8 rounds on gold stake 🗿

[nova mantle]

to the moon gold sticker!!!
4 remain...

[winged lake]

I got this game like, a week or so ago, I've got 10 hours in it so far and I just can't get past ante 7

Damn

Genuinely how do I get good at this game 😭

[potent tree]

play around and see what you like

[winged lake]

I don't even know how

Cause the stuff that I want that I'm kinda crutched on for a good run are Jokers that I can't reliably pull

[tacit quail]

is what you want retriggers and photograph because yeah duh

[winged lake]

Like, I just had a great run with Scary Face and the one that counts all cards as face cards and so was going great with that but then had the boss that negated all face cards and couldn't reroll the boss

[tacit quail]

learn principles and making runs from +chips +mult xmult

face cards and triggers is good points but very unreliable

and planets etc are better for score longer term

'build' the run rather than just luck rolling for the jokers u want

[nova mantle]

dont get too inpatient youll learn as you go

[signal frigate]

You already have mime and baron

[nova mantle]

ask for tips and whatnot

[signal frigate]

That'll net you more

[nova mantle]

but it wont take long till you can go with the flow of the jokers you find so you arent trapped by looking for a specific joker

[signal frigate]

You need to learn to use what the game gives you, how you can utilize each joker's strengths and weaknesses

[nova mantle]

get chips, mult and xmult and youll win almost every game

[signal frigate]

That's how you get out of that crutch mindset

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[signal frigate]

All my homies hate bloodstone

[nova mantle]

id say to first practice purely in white stake, and when you can consistently win there advance with the stakes using your favorite deck

and always keep at least 25 dollars to yourself

[winged lake]

I don't know how to learn stuff like that, I don't typically play roguelikes, I'm not really thinking when I choose a Joker and I don't know how to get into that mindset

[signal frigate]

Also remember that money is everything

[signal frigate]

This might sound counterproductive but it's basically just "Do it."

You won't know how it feels like if you don't get into it

Examples include if the run seems to be pushing you towards one specific build, get into it's flow

You won't get what you want here

So it's important to get into a run not expecting anything

Because any plans you might have, the game will flip it over

[nova mantle]

read the tooltips of jokers and think how they can synergize with eachother

[dark cairn]

how big of a difficulty spike is black deck from other decks for gs

[serene forge]

yes

[potent tree]

throwback.

[dark cairn]

well that's reassuring

[nova mantle]

or how powerful the joker is, and ponder if it is a good addition to your build

[serene forge]

compared to an average deck it's huge but honestly it sucks about as much as plasma/green

frankly

[dark cairn]

oh

[signal frigate]

A good "blueprint" I like to give to new players is this

Get 2 joker that gives you a +mult, preferably anything that scales, one or two that gives you chips and the last few slots should always be prioritized towards xmult jokers

(Love that pfp btw)

[dark cairn]

well i had a great time with plasma and green lmao so

[signal frigate]

Kill it.

[dark cairn]

i guess im not too worried then

the only decks i actively hated playing for high stakes were anaglyph and zodiac and that was just cause i got extremely unlucky

[signal frigate]

It's miserable.

2 discards is fucking awful to play with, the early game is pure pain

[nova mantle]

i dont understand how green is considered as difficult, honestly it was one of the easier ones for me

i think nebula should be heard more in the conversations about hard decks

[signal frigate]

It's the econ part, it's not "difficult", it's just absolutely annoying

[nova mantle]

rather than green

[dark cairn]

better economy in ante 1 and maybe 2 at most, for the rest of the game its either net 0 compared to other decks or worse bc no interest

[serene forge]

green punishes you 2x as hard for playing your hands

[signal frigate]

With 52 cards in your deck, there's a high chance you just lose money because you dead draw

[serene forge]

to scale jokers

[dark cairn]

green's good early econ would be a good selling point... if yellow deck didnt exist

i still like green deck though

[winged lake]

Yeah I was really proud of myself, I had Scary Face, Even Steven, Pareidolia, Jolly Joker, and... one more I forget, some were holographic cards too, but I got The Plant and couldn't recover from that. I haven't been able to think of what I could synergize together in other runs though

[dark cairn]

personally i think seed money should just re enable interest on green deck

[signal frigate]

It's amazing that the interest vouchers still exist in it

[nova mantle]

eh, i honestly had an easier time managing my econ at plenty of times

[signal frigate]

You might wanna treat some of those jokers as "temporary score", especially jolly

[dark cairn]

Not being tied to interest and thus being free to buy whatever you want without getting punished for it IS a really nice feeling

[nova mantle]

not relying on interest when you hit a hard time due to rentals changes the pace of gameplay in a way i like

[winged lake]

Wdym, like getting ready to sell them?

[dark cairn]

also i had a good time with nebula deck too lmao

[signal frigate]

At the same time, it punishes you for playing the fucking game

[nova mantle]

tbf i love when decks offer an easier early game, same reason why i like painted deck

[winged lake]

I thought I could have a whole strategy behind it that would take me all the way

[signal frigate]

Yeah, those are generally weak later on, most commons are but not all

[signal frigate]

You can it's just not reliable

But thats just me talking because I play this game too much

[dark cairn]

Did I say it was a good deck? No

I just said I personally like it

[nova mantle]

eh, if you see it that way sure, i like more thinking about it as a bonus for those hands not spend, rather than a detriment

[dark cairn]

and that I had a good time with it personally

[signal frigate]

My tip is, anything that infinitely scales are overall sometimes better than fixed number jokers

[nova mantle]

but i can see why people may not like it

[signal frigate]

You already get money from hands in other decks

Sure it's a bonus in green deck

But it feels awful when it's not your fault you just lost money

[dark cairn]

burglar or merry andy with green deck can be pretty funny

[signal frigate]

It's kinda why I always get it over with

I don't wanna spend a bajillion attempts on that damn deck

[serene forge]

using hands to scale is something you normally do though

so green deck is just a nerf to every scaling joker like that

[nova mantle]

its more of a process of self discovery rather than anything else, i could tell you about all the synergies there are but its better that you find them yourself

[dark cairn]

my strategy for green deck was focusing harder on economy and using jokers like flash card, red card, blue seals and telescope for my scaling

[nova mantle]

you probably havent unlocked many jokers, thats why there arent many synergies

[dark cairn]

in general anyway

if i found myself with a mail in rebate or some other super strong form of economy i just played like normal

[nova mantle]

why a nerf tho? its not like its taking money away from you

[dark cairn]

no interest doesnt matter if rebate makes you $15 a round

[signal frigate]

Well that's only because rebate is a broken ass joker

[serene forge]

it is taking money from you

[nova mantle]

just adding more in case you got hands left

[serene forge]

because you're getting the extra hand money instead of interest by default

so when you don't get the hand money

yknow

[dark cairn]

i do agree with that sentiment

[fervent wolf]

The humble rocket:

[dark cairn]

and bc of that i do agree that green deck is objectively bad

[signal frigate]

Unless you got ways to add more hands, you're kinda just stuck with the amount you're gonna get the entire run

[dark cairn]

but i just like the novelty of not playing around interest for once

and its niche synergies are neat

[signal frigate]

Not gonna say you're wrong for enjoying that deck, I'm just expressing how much I hate it

[dark cairn]

👍

[signal frigate]

Black Deck is also up there but somehow, I like it more than green

That's just how annoying it is for me

[serene forge]

green deck is unusable to me unless i get burger

[dark cairn]

heres the real question though

[serene forge]

red

I hate Plasma Deck

[signal frigate]

Plasma sucks in Gold Stake

But it's a pretty fun deck imo

[dark cairn]

its weird

[signal frigate]

The early game is easy at least

But it ramps up really fucking quick

[serene forge]

plasma gold stake is maybe the second most bullshit scenario i've ever seen in a video game

[dark cairn]

bc of what i heard from both content creators and people in this server

i had the assumption that plasma deck was the 2nd hardest gold stake

[signal frigate]

It is

[dark cairn]

but when i went and tried it myself

i blasted through it effortlessly

[signal frigate]

But that doesn't mean it's "bad" imo

[dark cairn]

i only died a couple times on green and black stake because i just didnt know how to play it yet

[brazen island]

Just had the most useful anaglyph deck run of all time. Took a round 1 eternal rental holographic splash and found a bull in ante 2, took an economy tag In ante 4 that brought my money to $200 which paid for the splash and a rental brainstorm while boosting my bull. Rest is history

[signal frigate]

It's just really hard but not too bullshit

[serene forge]

the thing about plasma is that it's easy to highroll really hard on

[dark cairn]

after that i blasted thorugh each stake first try

[nova mantle]

Ah right I forgot about interest 💔

[serene forge]

but that doesn't happen often

plasma is maybe the worst deck for winning consistently

maybe even worse than black

[nova mantle]

I do enjoy not depending on it tho

[dark cairn]

was absolutely stressed the fuck out on blue/purple/orange stake though

[brazen island]

Doc says it has the most variance in his gold stake speed runs

[nova mantle]

More than -1 hand or -1 consumable slot of the other bad decks

Or monstrous scaling

[dark cairn]

Ah so thats why theres so many mixed opinions on it

It has the highest of highs but the lowest of lows

[nova mantle]

I find green to be the smallest offender of the bad deck compendium

[dark cairn]

which decks specifically do you put in the "bad deck compendium"

[brazen island]

I love green deck fym it’s not a bad deck

[serene forge]

[nova mantle]

Green, black, nebula, plasma

[signal frigate]

It's horrific

I don't like it

[dark cairn]

i like green deck too but saying its a good deck when yellow deck does the same thing better is uhhhhhhhhhh

interesting

[signal frigate]

Yellow deck's only quirk is so simple yet it outclasses green deck, it's funny

[brazen island]

green deck is so fun?? It’s more challenging yeah but it’s not unfair like black deck

[dark cairn]

Interesting

[signal frigate]

It's annoying.

[dark cairn]

I had fun doing green, nebula, AND plasma

[brazen island]

Hard disagree

[nova mantle]

Nebula's of course the biggest offender I hate it so much

[brazen island]

I had fun on every deck

[dark cairn]

telescope is my favourite voucher so having it from the very beginning is a godsend for me

[brazen island]

Paint brush my beloved

My favorite voucher for sure

[serene forge]

i love nebula deck i love making my emperors and priestesses absolutely fucking useless

[dark cairn]

when i was playing ND and got an astronomer i felt like i was in heaven

[brazen island]

I love nebula deck because it makes blue seals weaker

[nova mantle]

Not because its gameplay it's hard but managing to not fall asleep while playing and high priestess and emperor's being crippled is miserable

For me at least

[dark cairn]

Yeah i understand why thats a pretty major turnoff for most people but for some reason it never really bothered me that much?

[tacit quail]

ante 4 lol

[nova mantle]

This

[dark cairn]

I never even got crystal ball in a single one of my nebula deck runs and i still had a good time with it

[brazen island]

90% of my winstreak runs are trapped in the blue seal mines so nebula deck can be very refreshing

[nova mantle]

And if you wanna run campfire guess what? 💔

[brazen island]

Every deck is well designed except black deck

Black deck is bad game design

[dark cairn]

my nebula deck gs win used rtb supernova chad and lucky cat

[signal frigate]

Blue Stake is

[dark cairn]

i just relied on the telesocpe to give me chips and it worked

[brazen island]

Also blue stake yeah

[signal frigate]

I think Black Deck is fine? Blue stake is just unreasonable

[brazen island]

Blue stake is bad game design

[signal frigate]

Blue Stake makes black stake even more miserable

[brazen island]

Actually yeah you’re right, blue stake is the problem

Black deck would be fair if blue stake were different

[dark cairn]

tbf i feel like the -1 hand per round is too harsh of a tradeoff for the +1 joker slot in general

i dont know what would be a better tradeoff though

other than just making it an anti painted deck (which would be lame)

[nova mantle]

I don't necessarily love it but c'mon it's not THAT bad

[brazen island]

Maybe you could start with an ectoplasm and less punishing debuff?

[dark cairn]

Ghost Deck - Balanced Edition

[modern panther]

Best Judgement pop of my life

[brazen island]

GUYS

[dark cairn]

gg on supernova

[brazen island]

GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT

BLACK DECK

START WITH 1 UNSELLABLE ECTOPLASM

BOOM

[dark cairn]

again thatd just be a negative painted deck

with extra steps

[brazen island]

No it wouldn’t, it keeps one of your highly valuable consumable slots full until you make a negative

It would be interesting

[modern panther]

I don't think I can greed here, tho, right?

[dark cairn]

if you dont yet have a joker to make negative then youre likely not gonna be buying a ton of tarot cards or tarot generators

[modern panther]

I don't think I can afford to lose the 1.5x mult on the zany

[dark cairn]

i dont know how much you're scoring

[brazen island]

But there are a LOT of runs where I wouldn’t use an ectoplasm at all. This encourages you to use it early in exchange for blue seal/emperor value

It gives the debuff of nebula deck until you decide to trade that for -1 hand size

[dark cairn]

hm

random thought

and no im not saying this would necessarily be a good idea im just curious what all yall thoughts would be on this

what if black deck was -1 discard instead of -1 hand

[modern panther]

157k. Got Armed

[unreal iron]

well its still better than -1 hand

[dark cairn]

you only need to score 100k per hand on average to beat the ante 8 boss (unless you get vessel'd)

[unreal iron]

but having only 1 discard is like

ughh

[modern panther]

Interesting... could be something

[unreal iron]

it makes a lot of econ jokers kinda shit

[dark cairn]

the reason i suggested it was since blue stake getting reworked

[unreal iron]

cough cough rebate

[brazen island]

It doesn’t change the fundamental problem of black deck that much

[unreal iron]

that brings it on par with other decks

[brazen island]

Making hands early is just as hard and value generation is still severely nerfed

[unreal iron]

if we still count current blue stake then its still a pretty big downside

[signal frigate]

If blue stake was still blue stake, then that makes it even more miserable

[brazen island]

The big problem with black deck is dying before you get to make use of its upside and that still maintains that issue

[dark cairn]

ok well other question then

[signal frigate]

Imagine playing with one discard

[dark cairn]

what if black deck had no downside at all?

would it be too op?

[signal frigate]

No.

An extra joker slot barely matters

[unreal iron]

anaglyph deck except no double tags

[potent tree]

you can lose with infinite joker slots

[brazen island]

Still weaker than ghost deck lol

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[dark cairn]

true lmao

[brazen island]

Actually still weaker than red deck 😭

[unreal iron]

+1 joker slot with no downside is nothing to scoff at tbf

[brazen island]

Weaker than any deck except green and plasma actually

[brazen island]

I’m scoffing rn

[unreal iron]

but theres just so many better upsides on the other decks

[signal frigate]

But like, that's such a nothing burger though lmao

[dark cairn]

zodiac? anaglyph? painted?

[lost vault]

purrr~

[dark cairn]

nebula?

[serene forge]

those are all good

[signal frigate]

Zodiac and Painted aren't weak at all

[unreal iron]

these 3 are really strong wdym

[signal frigate]

Nebula is one of the best decks in the game

[brazen island]

Ok ur right about anaglyph but painted and zodiac are much stronger than +1 joker slot

[unreal iron]

maybe not anaglyph as much but still

[serene forge]

anaglyph isn't great but it ain't bad either

[dark cairn]

I think having a free antimatter would be stronger personally

[unreal iron]

meeeow :3

[serene forge]

anaglyph tags are very high variance sadly

[brazen island]

I did just have a GOATED anaglyph run with an economy skip and bull

[brazen island]

You only need 3 jokers to win gold stake

[unreal iron]

extremely true btw

[signal frigate]

It can have some funny scenarios which I really like, no other deck allows you to get 30 damn jokers

[brazen island]

+1 on top of 5 is pretty worthless

Usually

Yeah it would probably be about as strong as anaglyph deck

[dark cairn]

what about eternals

[brazen island]

Occasionally useful, often not

[signal frigate]

If we're speaking in an ante 8 run perspective, again, it literally doesn't matter

[dark cairn]

it'd prob be more consistent than anaglyph though

[signal frigate]

6 jokers is nice sure but you only need 3 to win

[brazen island]

What about them? You take them early to win and then fill the other slots with scaling

[dark cairn]

it'd let you take more then, no?

[signal frigate]

It doesn't change anything drastic

[brazen island]

Yeah but it wouldn’t really do much to increase your chances of winning

[signal frigate]

It's not as op as you'd think at all

[dark cairn]

alright then

[signal frigate]

Aside from "Win more"

[brazen island]

Yeah it would just be win more

Can we make that one word

Winmore

[signal frigate]

You can

[dark cairn]

wiore

[unreal iron]

funny how its really hard to balance black deck

[brazen island]

I motion to change win more to winmore

[unreal iron]

i always said winmore

idk

[brazen island]

I just did, make it start with an unsellable ectoplasm

[signal frigate]

If you're already winning, you don't need another joker

[dark cairn]

but if +1 joker slot is really that inconsequential then yeah you could just remove the -1 hand per round and itd bef ine

[unreal iron]

isnt this a -1 consumable until you actually use ecto

[brazen island]

It’d be uninteresting

[brazen island]

Yes

[signal frigate]

The deck itself is completely fine

[dark cairn]

use the extra slot for luchador in case a dumb boss rolls around 👍

[unreal iron]

again ecto is -1 hand size

[signal frigate]

Okay but like

[unreal iron]

so this is +1 joker, -1 hand size

[brazen island]

Yes, you can choose when and if you make that trade which makes it interesting

[unreal iron]

AND -1 consumable

[signal frigate]

Just buy it anyways without an extra joker slot.

[unreal iron]

in case you dont use it

[brazen island]

But the decision lies in the hands of the player. They get to choose which resource is more important and when to exchange them

[dark cairn]

there are cases where you need every joker you have

[signal frigate]

How often do you think those come up? Let alone needing 6 slots?

[dark cairn]

not often

i meant it more as a joke

[unreal iron]

so you can choose a -1 consumable slot or +1 joker, -1 hand size

[signal frigate]

Gotta tell you right now, you really don't need 6 jokers to win

[unreal iron]

i dont think anyone would use the ecto

until they get hand size vouchers or something

[dark cairn]

ok well ankhing a joker stencil is an exception dude

ive done that too lmao

[unreal iron]

or if the deck is consistent enough to draw blue seals and pair lobotomy

[signal frigate]

I didn't have to, I won without those two

I only needed steels

But that's my point

[brazen island]

Ok I have another black deck balance pitch, this one is bad but I’m brainstorming here

[signal frigate]

You can win without a full slot

[brazen island]

Every joker has the eternal tag regardless of stake, +1 joker slot

[signal frigate]

Needing more isn't that good

[dark cairn]

yeah you can

im aware

that doesn't mean you will

i get what you mean but i personally would like it

[signal frigate]

Then it already exists, you just have to get good at it

[unreal iron]

you know that basically invalidates orange stake

jokers cant spawn as both eternal and perishable

[brazen island]

Yeah that’s why I said it was bad 😭

[signal frigate]

So perishable is now nonexistent

[brazen island]

But I’m brainstorming!!!

[signal frigate]

How would that affect food jokers?

[dark cairn]

wdym

[brazen island]

Michelle never leaves you ❤️ marriage deck

[signal frigate]

They can't be eternal for a reason

[signal frigate]

It never does anyways

[brazen island]

Gang I prefaced it as a bad idea

😞

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[signal frigate]

I've had multiple runs where it lasted half an entire run

[signal frigate]

Water is wet

[dark cairn]

you expect me to believe youd be able to win every single gold stake run with 2-3 vacant joker slots? regardless of deck?

[brazen island]

Maybe I should stop telling Michelle what a terrible cook she is

[signal frigate]

Yeah.

[brazen island]

Yes

100%

[dark cairn]

ok drspectred not everyone has 10000 hours in the game and has the game down to a science

[acoustic kettle]

When michel leaves it becomes like perishable instead

Disabled

[signal frigate]

It's not easy but you actually only need 4 scoring jokers at most

3 at least

The other 2 are reserved for more miscellaneous stuff

[brazen island]

I could probably do it relatively consistently even and I’m not THAT good at the game

[signal frigate]

I didn't know I had 10 thousand hours.

[dark cairn]

also

again

[signal frigate]

You don't need to be amazing at the game to do that

[dark cairn]

if +1 joker slot is so insignificant

then why does it need a downside

[signal frigate]

Because it would be interesting?

[brazen island]

To be interesting

[signal frigate]

Every single deck has one

[tacit quail]

gold sticker on the trio and dusk

[dark cairn]

blue red yellow

[signal frigate]

Even Anaglyph because it's downside is, it's literally nothing else without the upside

[signal frigate]

Red less hands, blue less discards, yellow is the middle ground

[brazen island]

Anaglyph is interesting because gambling

The one run you get where it hits it’s awesome

[dark cairn]

what

[signal frigate]

They're not written downsides

But they exist

[dark cairn]

the only deck with +1 hand is blue deck

the only deck with +1 discard is red deck

[signal frigate]

But you can say those 3 are exceptions because they're the beginner decks

[dark cairn]

every deck not having +1 hand doesnt mean every deck has a downside of -1 hand
it means blue deck specifically has +1 hand as an upside

[signal frigate]

I've found the appreciation for Red card in it

[brazen island]

Bro red card is peak in almost every run

[dark cairn]

also i think +1 joker slot would be intereting

[brazen island]

Regardless of deck

[signal frigate]

It becomes nuclear once you pop them double tags on a card pack tag

[brazen island]

OH YO I DIDNT THINK ABOUT THAT

[old topaz]

Guys Is ts sick

[brazen island]

IVE NEVER CONSIDERED THAT

[fallow fog]

i hate getting it early tho

[signal frigate]

I did and look at this

My biggest red card ever

[nova mantle]

Red card is the best card

[dark cairn]

more room to experiment with joker synergies

[nova mantle]

Love not having to play hands to scale my mult

[brazen island]

🔥🔥🔥

[signal frigate]

I popped a celestial tag

But I probably still would've died

Without stuntman

[dark cairn]

but with -1 hand you aren't really as free to do that

[signal frigate]

I needed the chips and it appeared at the right time

[brazen island]

Deck idea: 1 hand, 0 discards, 150 joker slots

[signal frigate]

Also, Black Deck is supposed to be the "Hard Deck" so having that downside makes sense

[nova mantle]

Stuntman is truly a god send for low chips hands

[kind cloud]

would it even change its gold stake difficulty much if you gave black deck something stupid like +4 joker slots

[unreal iron]

amazing

[signal frigate]

But blue stake turns it from a challenge to a fucking torture

[brazen island]

Yeah but it shouldn’t be the ‘unbalanced deck’

[lost vault]

deck idea: 79 hands, 78 discards, 0 joker slots

[signal frigate]

Well that's why I said my next point

[dark cairn]

has localthunk confirmed that its supposed to be the hardest deck on purpose

[unreal iron]

"just find a blue seal and win bro"

[signal frigate]

I have an odd liking to your pfp

[brazen island]

Deck idea: everything is normal but you start with 4 eternal negative stuntmen

[lost vault]

actually no

-145 joker slots (no negatives allowed)

[lost vault]

:3

[signal frigate]

Not directly but it's obvious

[unreal iron]

:3c

[signal frigate]

Wait, were friends

[nova mantle]

Why exactly these numbers

[lost vault]

i am skinky

[signal frigate]

Yeah you are

[lost vault]

150/2 = 75
75 +4 hands
75 +3 discards

[signal frigate]

I don't remember talking to you but alrighty

[brazen island]

Oh wait it’s the gay cat I remember you

[dark cairn]

i think he just wanted to make it seem more taboo than difficult with the -1 hand

[lost vault]

hehehe

im the gay cat >w<

[kind cloud]

golden needle as a deck but give more discards (enough to sift through your entire deck) and remove the discard cost, blind multiplier if necessary

[nova mantle]

Oh yeah lmao

[signal frigate]

Very gay

Boykisser fr

[lost vault]

yeas

[unreal iron]

i love kissing boys

[nova mantle]

The neighbors finally turned their lights off chat I gotta go to sleep

[signal frigate]

I like kissing girls

[lost vault]

gay ?

[unreal iron]

yeah

[lost vault]

cool :3

[nova mantle]

Keep being gay and keep being awesome

See ya

[brazen island]

I love kissing my tradwife

[lost vault]

^w^

i wanna be a tradwife

[signal frigate]

I wanna be a househusband

[dark cairn]

what does that mean

[brazen island]

She would genuinely beat me if I said these words 💔

[unreal iron]

alright can you like hang out now

[brazen island]

What does it sound like

What don’t u understand

[signal frigate]

Then my condolences

[signal frigate]

What

[dark cairn]

what does "Trad" mean

[unreal iron]

what

[brazen island]

Ohhh traditional

She likes cooking and cleaning while I go to work

[dark cairn]

Ah ok

i THOUGHT thats what it meant but

[unreal iron]

lowkey half asleep on the bus

watch me play face cards and lose

[dark cairn]

ive never heard it be said like that before

so i couldnt be sure it wasnt some new slang or something

[brazen island]

Yeah it’s relatively recent

[signal frigate]

You wanna hang out?

[brazen island]

Started hearing people say it the last few years

[dark cairn]

anyawy

so black deck is only stupid past blue stake?

[unreal iron]

forget what i said

[unreal iron]

yeah probably

also purple stake cuz blind scaling

[brazen island]

Fixing blue stake might fix black deck

So much needs to be fixed

Blue seals need to be fixed but then once they’re weaker other stuff will need to be buffed

[signal frigate]

It absolutely will, that's the fundamental problem with Black Deck

[unreal iron]

would be interesting to c++ if localthunk rolls the update

balatro tomorrow

🙏🙏🙏

[signal frigate]

Can't forget the fact that he himself C++'d his own game

And it gave him an insight on what he should do for the balance of the game

[unreal iron]

would c++ stay for the og 150 jokers?

for the achievement

[signal frigate]

It should

But for completionists

[unreal iron]

or do the other jokers have to count too

[signal frigate]

They probably wouldn't let it go

You already got the achievement

[unreal iron]

twice...

it was only 60 hours who cares

[night turret]

Still failed

Chips and mult weren’t nice to me

[karmic jetty]

Guys

Jokerless ante 8 done

[acoustic kettle]

Naneinf in jokerless