🕹・game-discussion

[jolly relic]

whats balatrodle

[unborn cliff]

die

[terse vale]

why wouldn’t you either wanna go pair or 3oak tho

[cloud sinew]

to enable flush house the minimum you need is a single suit tarot, for flush five you need at least 4 tarot cards

[unborn cliff]

wordle but balatro jokers

[calm furnace]

full house is just 3oak with extra steps

[safe moat]

Two?

Strength and a suit changer

[jolly relic]

wow

a soul!

do i delete one of my delayed gratifications

for it

[unborn cliff]

perkeo

[calm furnace]

ah wait 3

[safe moat]

No

Just two

[jolly relic]

and how would that benefit me

[drowsy tapir]

Okay this is sick, thanks for sharing

[safe moat]

Bare minimum

[calm furnace]

ah yeah

[unborn cliff]

it wouldnt

thats why i said it

[jolly relic]

oh 🥰

[cloud sinew]

it's two you're correct

[tranquil steppe]

Yes

[jolly relic]

too late

[safe moat]

HOORAY

[calm furnace]

and i dont see how a FH joker would function. we already have 3x mult for playing 3 cards and 2x mult for playing pair

[tranquil steppe]

5x for full house obvi

[cloud sinew]

it would function the same as those but be specific to full house.

[ancient gyro]

the extra steps not being worth the lower draw probability for its scaling rewards from planets specifically. for joker specific builds benefitting on more singular ranks and played cards, 2 pair has a far higher probability of drawing in a standard/lightly modified deck

[cloud sinew]

it's quite simple

[frank grove]

well just have something specific for it

[calm furnace]

would that work for flush house?

[safe moat]

What if

[calm furnace]

and break the design convention of balatro jokers?

[cloud sinew]

how?

[heady narwhal]

i think if there's to be a full house joker it should be something special and not just another The Something

[cloud sinew]

I agree, just saying how it would work in that example

[frank grove]

yeah it should be some generator like seance or superpos or smth

[safe moat]

it should only show up when you have the duo or trio

[calm furnace]

other than to do list there is no joker that is hand specific. flush jokers work with any type of flush

full house isa combination hand

[cloud sinew]

seance

[frank grove]

yeah

[heady narwhal]

?

[cloud sinew]

it would work with any hand that contains a full house, which includes;

• Full House
• Flush House

[safe moat]

Idk

[calm furnace]

yeah there is 0 intensive to go for full house with how 2 pairs and 3oak work

[ancient gyro]

tdl

[royal ore]

sixth sense requires specifically a high card 6

[safe moat]

He said that

[calm furnace]

a single 6 is not a poker hand

[thorny axle]

i mean its funny

[serene forge]

make yorick gain x1 mult per full hourse played in a row

[royal ore]

high card

[safe moat]

No

[thorny axle]

full houses are both two pairs and 3oak

both of which are decent hands

and then full house just has nothing going for it

[calm furnace]

and get what 3x mult? or 4x mult?

[cloud sinew]

very little going for it, yeah

[safe moat]

I think it should be x2

[calm furnace]

why is why i propose for earth to scale better

[royal ore]

like why play full houses when you could just play 3oak or two pair

[thorny axle]

that.. doesnt solve the issue?

they still have nothing going for them you just inflated their stats

[safe moat]

It gives more scoring cards

[cloud sinew]

it does solve a major part of it, but it creates new issues

[safe moat]

And enhancements are really useful

[calm furnace]

the stats is what makes hands good

[cloud sinew]

scaling is itself a very big reason to go for a hand

[ancient gyro]

I didn't say fh has zero reasons to play towards, im saying the reasons are both below easier poker hands in terms of drawing power. with pristine value generators and hyper deck fixing you still technically have fh be the jack of all trades for both joker specific poker hand and planet scaling poker hand. neither good or bad. in a comparison and consistency battle, it's down in the bad area

[safe moat]

The pair in question

[thorny axle]

high card is 5 x 1
pairs are 10 x 2
two pair is 20 x 2

[ancient gyro]

thunky did that for saturn and now look at it

[cloud sinew]

"big reason", not the only reason. the other part of the equation is boss vulnerability, consistency, and joker synergy

[cloud sinew]

that isn't what is meant by scaling

[calm furnace]

but what works with full house works with easier more consistent hands which is the problem

[safe moat]

There should be more bosses that target jokers

[thorny axle]

pluto is +10 chips +1 mult

[cloud sinew]

I am very glad you're not on the playtesting team

[thorny axle]

No.

[calm furnace]

uranus is 20, 1

[serene forge]

earth does have shit stats but that's not the entire reason for why it sucks

[safe moat]

It could be an ante 8 boss

[serene forge]

in idk how many hours

[calm furnace]

there are too many reasons

[serene forge]

I have had maybe one win on gold stake using full hourse

[royal ore]

im down for this now because it decreases violet vessel chances

[vale mesa]

boss which disables golden ticket specifically:

[calm furnace]

i think i have 2. one was few minutes ago and one i forced a fh build because i never had one before

[safe moat]

Because most bosses target the cards

[calm furnace]

every other time i try to fh i either pivot to 4oak or 3oak

[safe moat]

Why 4oak

[serene forge]

because 4oak is good

[cloud sinew]

I've had many full house builds, but they're probably the least common base poker hand build I run besides Straight Flush

[safe moat]

Instead of 5

[serene forge]

5oak sucks

[safe moat]

5 is scary and inconsistent

[serene forge]

and f5 is too much work usually

[cloud sinew]

because 5oak scales only 5 chips faster for significantly worse consistency

[safe moat]

that’s what I thought

[ancient gyro]

most of my fh builds during my streak arc happen to be freak accidents

[wintry ice]

5oak is to 4oak as fh is to 3oak

[cloud sinew]

usually only ever worth for higher base & more triggers

[wintry ice]

the main reason to play it is wee

[cloud sinew]

scholar

[ancient gyro]

very rarely will I replay the same fh run in my head and say yeah doing a 2 pair run would've killed me

[cloud sinew]

but they're just so niche that 5oak is basically irrelevant to a8

[safe moat]

I play 5oak actually

[safe moat]

it’s usually on erratic though

[cloud sinew]

confirmed based on my mobile planet stats

[safe moat]

Yall play straights more often than fh

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[royal ore]

how did you get to 6001 pluto uses??

[cloud sinew]

endless player

[balmy ridge]

guys

[safe moat]

I wouldn’t pay attention to Pluto

[balmy ridge]

my friend doesn't believe that pairs are meta

he keeps discarding until flush

how do i show him the ways

[safe moat]

Let him learn

[ancient gyro]

zamn

[ancient gyro]

you're realistically only playing 5oak for wee

[serene forge]

the difference is that straights are actually good

[ancient gyro]

oh vic already said that 💔

[safe moat]

What’s the big difference

[ancient gyro]

I have a couple questions

[safe moat]

Aside from scaling

[ancient gyro]

50% more mult, 100% more chips
than jupiter

[serene forge]

full house is awkward to build towards and extremely overshadowed by 3oak

[royal ore]

just like in real life, Earth sucks in this game

[tiny canyon]

Since you are likely only refering to mult scaling, I should note that for some stupid reason Saturn also gives a heck ton of chips.

[serene forge]

what

[ancient gyro]

for the cost of slightly more varied card draw probability and deck thinning tools which may or may not always be required

[lost vault]

miaaw

[serene forge]

straight takes as much effort to draw as flush on gold stake

[wind rivet]

any1 has a working strategy? i cant keep winning im mean my economy grows big i always reroll and i cant get the good jokers

[safe moat]

Maybe?

[vale mesa]

uh i just think straights are fun

[tiny canyon]

No????
How, how is this the case??

[wintry ice]

scaling jokers are very consistent

[ancient gyro]

why is jupiter so high
why isn't uranus 2nd
why is 4oak so low
why are you lesbiab

[cloud sinew]

matador enabled run, my beloved

[safe moat]

Should I make a new profile solely for gold stake

[serene forge]

5 card hands are 5 card hands

[wintry ice]

girls

[lost vault]

where did he go ?

[tiny canyon]

Please tell me when you actively went for straights on round 1 instead of flushes when you hand leaned towards neither.

[wintry ice]

the bite of 27

[serene forge]

recovering flush addict from when I was a noob
played endless for a bit until I realized it damaged my stats before starting a new profile
idk
i love my gf

[cloud sinew]

I sold it so I wouldn't lose interest from the rental bus

[ancient gyro]

valid

[wintry ice]

finding a flush that 1 shots the ante 1 big blind is easier than finding a straight that does so

[lost vault]

why are YOU not lesbiab

[serene forge]

so are pairs suddenly shit because they're bad in round 1

you make zero sense

[ancient gyro]

im neurodivergent

[wintry ice]

it's a very different statistic

[cloud sinew]

They're easier to draw than flushes in a base deck, but flushes are significantly easier to fix for

[wintry ice]

that hasn't stopped me

[cloud sinew]

hasn't stopped me

[lost vault]

:3

[heady narwhal]

in poker sure but i think with balatro rules (8 hand size + discards) flushes are easier

[ancient gyro]

we'll see where I go from here

[serene forge]

they should make bloodstone be a 2 in 2 if you play a straight flush with it

[tiny canyon]

We're talking about the effort it takes to draw them.

Last time I checked, every tarot card that makes straights easier makes flushes easier as well.
The exception is strength, but even so the suit changing tarots affect more cards than that.

[heady narwhal]

i don't have the numbers to back this up though

[west python]

Gng what so I do here

[calm furnace]

make bloodstone 2 in 2 for straight flush

[lost vault]

they should make bloodstone a PILE OF FUCKING PEBBLES I HATE THAT SHIT

[safe moat]

Is being gay neurodivergence?

[ancient gyro]

hence the default poker hand rankings

[wintry ice]

no

[west python]

Like I can sell bottle and handing chad for blueprint

[lost vault]

are we serious brah

[safe moat]

Yes

[west python]

But what will be betterr

[lost vault]

.-.

[safe moat]

Like I’m being genuinely curious

[heady narwhal]

i'd sell cola for arrowhead

[serene forge]

sell cola buy arrowhead maybe

[wintry ice]

being attracted to men doesn't affect the fundamentals of how you perceive the world

[heady narwhal]

blueprint isn't as good on painted imo

[lost vault]

no. gayness is not a mental disorder

[lost vault]

yes

[safe moat]

It’s white stake

[safe moat]

That doesn’t make it any less different

[heady narwhal]

no reason not to play optimally right

[west python]

But what about blueprint 🤔

[lost vault]

wut

[calm furnace]

being not attracted to chicot does affect the fundementals of how you percieve the world tho

[heady narwhal]

too expensive

[safe moat]

Unless I’m crazy

I am crazy

[serene forge]

[lost vault]

u r crazy

[heady narwhal]

you'd probably die in ante 2 or 3

[west python]

K

[cloud sinew]

can you show that changes the absolute frequency?
because the # of possible straights is still higher in a base deck of cards regardless of whether discards are accounted for or not

[calm furnace]

on first draw first blind i draw more straights than flushes, no numbers or math here just saying what i see

[heady narwhal]

this isn't really the same thing but consider what happens if you're looking for 1 last card for a straight vs a flush

[safe moat]

Well I think that cuz like it’s like neurodivergence

[heady narwhal]

for a straight you have either 4 or 8 outs, for a flush you have 9

[safe moat]

But its not

[vale mesa]

serious question yall
is being dead neurodivergence

[terse vale]

what

[heady narwhal]

iirc it's correlated but i wouldn't say it's the same thing

[cloud sinew]

no. "neurodivergence" is vibes-based and that doesn't pass the vibe check

[heady narwhal]

most people are dead

[safe moat]

But it’s like neurodivergence because it’s a spectrum

[crystal skiff]

Guys is it possible to even play high chip straights with abandoned deck

[terse vale]

yes?

[calm furnace]

no

[terse vale]

wdym by high chip

[calm furnace]

cant one shot wiht a straight on abanonded

[wintry ice]

abandoned is the best deck for the hand

oh if that's the question then no

[crystal skiff]

Like over 10, for example 7,8,9,10 and something

[crystal skiff]

Oh alr ty

[calm furnace]

i think they are asking about a straight that one shots first blind

which is not possible with abandoned

[terse vale]

you can strength but its not worth it so no

just go for a full house

in the first round I mean

[heady narwhal]

on abandoned i usually just play 2 hands

[wintry ice]

full house or just 2 shot

[heady narwhal]

i don't want to risk losing another dollar or two trying to draw a rare hand

[calm furnace]

yeah or hope for a good full house

or the rare flush that one shots

[cloud sinew]

you would need to do a monte carlo simulation to determine for certain which is more likely to be drawn as there's no combinatorial solution for balatro's card draw rules

[heady narwhal]

none?

is it like finding the perimeter of an ellipse or something

or is it just really hard

[safe moat]

That’s mean

[cloud sinew]

uhhh

[safe moat]

That’s a mean thing to do to someone

[crystal skiff]

Oh yeah 🙏🙏😎😎

[potent tree]

hmm...does photo die here

poorick at x13 currently

[wintry ice]

show levels

[potent tree]

2pair level 9, fullhouse level 7

trousers at 44 currently

[wintry ice]

you can sell pants if your deckfixing is good

[potent tree]

i only have 7 each of kings and queens so it's not terribly good

[olive basin]

Merry Andy is deck fixing

[wintry ice]

though at the same time

[tranquil steppe]

Yorick the GOAT!!!!

[wintry ice]

scaling yorick with andy while trying to draw full houses of kings and queens sounds horrible

[potent tree]

2 pair works fine too lol

i get a few mil a hand

i'm not expecting to get past ante 12 anyways, it's only red stake

[calm furnace]

can pivot to pairs do you have a blue seal?

ah nvm i cant read

its 2p

2p at level 9 is like 160 chips?

[cloud sinew]

because of the number of state spaces there basically can't exist a closed form combinatorial solution as you would need a fixed, well-defined sample space and a rule that applies uniformly to every outcome, which isn't the case as the probability tree branches differently based on hand quality (what poker hands are most likely to be drawn based on the cards already dealt and the remaining cards in the deck), i.e drawing AKQJ9 you would discard differently than drawing AAA97

also after one discard the number of branches in the probability tree is ridiculous, somewhere in the range of like 10¹² and 10¹⁵

[heady narwhal]

i mean if you ignore things like "the numbers would be absurdly big" it seems like you could just calculate every possible discard choice for every possible ordering of cards in the deck

[potent tree]

180

and yes i do have blue seals

[cloud sinew]

theoretically, sure, but Chess isn't a solved game because of these same issues

[barren sentinel]

Help, what do I do?

[cloud sinew]

you lose

[barren sentinel]

Aw man

[heady narwhal]

i think monte carlo simulating it would be somewhat tricky as well because do we have a definite Best Strategy for discarding for a straight ?

[vale narwhal]

spend all ur money before u lose

[spiral nexus]

AHHHHHHHHHH

[cloud sinew]

"best strategy" being the set of discard choices at each stage that maximizes the EV of getting it?
This is important because that differs from best strategy in balatro which is also dictated by scoring

which I don't want to have to deal with yet lmao

[potent tree]

andy or trousers? trousers at 52 rn

[stiff ore]

so close

[cloud sinew]

coming up with a heuristic strategy rather than a best strategy would work well enough that it's okay for general information (i.e keeping sequences of 3-4 consecutive ranks) but wouldn't be necessarily right for specific scenarios

it would also only apply to the specific conditions used, so whatever handsize and discards you were simulating with

[north spindle]

i wonder if modeling it with some sort of ml could give any insights

and i dont mean "chatgpt" i mean like actually do the thing correctly

[calm furnace]

math is one of the few things LLM are good at

[potent tree]

i think yorick has enough scaling for now so andy probably goes...right?

he's x18

[cloud sinew]

that's less concrete than just running a simulation as you can't see how you get from A -> B

[wintry ice]

aren't models like chatgpt still bad at it

[north spindle]

that is a downside yeah
my thought is that observing the solution found using this type of method might point in the right direction to a formal solution

[north spindle]

im not talking abt llms here

[calm furnace]

depends on the type of math

[cloud sinew]

They're fancy predictive text algorithms, which would not even be remotely close to the models used for something like this

[north spindle]

like this is where you'd set up your own system where the linear algebra box gets the input of "current game state" and it outputs "what i should discard"

[potent tree]

scary free temp value

(i run yorick)

[cloud sinew]

which is actually more complicated for something like this than what I'm proposing. I'm not looking for a best strategy as that would be a ridiculous thing for me to try and prove rn, just a decent guess which is why a heuristic strategy -> Monte Carlo simulation would be more than enough

[upper geode]

Alr... I have a weird lineup and weird gameplan... Am I willing to give up a joker here for Cavendish?

Playing Flush

[lost vault]

“free” 7 dollars

[cloud sinew]

I don't think so

if anything you should swap gift card

[north spindle]

oh yeah if u just want to know if the heuristic is good enough you dont need to go to nearly as much effort lol

[upper geode]

me neither, Swashbuckler is at +77 mult

[north spindle]

i think trying several heuristics / combinations of the heuristics would be interesting as a comparison

also pretty practical

[upper geode]

i technically could, but then I'd lose on the Baseball and the incremental swashbuckler +mult... hmm

[north spindle]

in general id love to know the actual best way to play round 1 the most

as its not clear to me when you should be going for straight/flush sometimes

or when trying for fh after getting 3oak is worth it

[potent tree]

ugh...free hologram scaling? (trousers would have to go, it's at 58)

[calm furnace]

watch wat doc does

[pale wolf]

which wont catch up to a 3x

[pulsar plover]

is anyone try to help me beat black deck i can't beat it i am not that good, I always make it to the end

[calm furnace]

i usually go for straights if i see 3-4 cards close to each other between 8 and ace or flush if i have 3 good cards from same suit or 4 cards of same suit

[north spindle]

unless hes run simulations/proved it somehow i would still want to see the results
what hes doing is surely close to optimal but i wouldnt be surprised if there was something that could push it further without being super taxing

[shell rock]

i wish this wasn’t a set seed run, cant send pictures right now but i have four barons, brainstorm x blueprint yuri, and nat negative hallucination

this run is peak balatro

[potent tree]

is replacing trousers worth here?

for cert to give free hologram scaling

[north spindle]

what is your goal?

[potent tree]

make it as far as i can i guess. i've already won the run

i get 2b a hand

if it's a full house

[north spindle]

i wouldn't take it

trib and sock are like the only thing that matters

[hearty tundra]

Painted deck is so hard wow

[potent tree]

oh it's you again

[north spindle]

me?

i dont recognize u lol

[potent tree]

nah the brainstorm lady

[pulsar plover]

is anyone try to help me beat black deck i can't beat it i am not that good, I always make it to the end

[north spindle]

which difficulty

[potent tree]

ok NOW trousers has to die surely

[pulsar plover]

white i am just not that good

[potent tree]

cool we hit e12

[north spindle]

ok i was asking partially bc how much experience you have determines the type of tips i was going to give lol

if you're dying at the end of the run you probably aren't scaling your jokers enough and/or aren't keeping your economy good and have joker slots with useless jokers

ideally you want scaling jokers a lot of the time

[thorny axle]

#let him live

[north spindle]

also managing econ well can let u get better jokers

generally try to be at or above $25

[pulsar plover]

ok thank you I will try to

[thorny axle]

also you should try to have 1 of mult, xmult and chips

generally if you have more mult, adding chips will help a lot, and vice versa

[pulsar plover]

would i be able to share screen you and you help, iget it if you can't

[thorny axle]

probably not but you could send a screenshot

[north spindle]

the reasons to go under that are mostly either a) i am going to die otherwise b) buying a value generating joker like golden that will recoup the lost funds from interest quickly or c) something exceptionally powerful

[thorny axle]

example:
a level 1 flush is 35 x 4
if we add 10 chips thats 45 x 4 = 180
if we add 10 mult that's 45 x 14 = 630
this is a hyperbolic example since mult and chips aren't really exchangable like that but you get my point

[pulsar plover]

alright i will send screenshot when i need advice for my run hopfully i can make it past

[north spindle]

yeah
xmult you can slam as much as you want and its just as good but the first +mult joker >> the second +mult joker in terms of how much it expands ur scoring

[pulsar plover]

should i grab cloud 9 when i have $30

[wintry ice]

yes

[heavy heron]

yeah! consistent money per round!

[spark kernel]

Generational luck

[north spindle]

probably

[heavy heron]

a little more always helps

[wintry ice]

cloud 9 is a very powerful econ joker

[thorny axle]

yeah

[north spindle]

like i could come up with reasons not to take it but in most situations i buy it

[thorny axle]

at worst its a more expensive gold joker

at best you add more 9s to your deck and get rich while playing 5oak

[north spindle]

i would take cloud 9 at like
$10 most of the time lol

[thorny axle]

i'd take it for $7

or however much it costs

[north spindle]

i mean yeah i forgot the actual cost lol

[cloud sinew]

I modified some old code from duck and it wasn't that hard to set up actually, the hardest part was just figuring out the heuristic strategy to use.
here are the results are 100,000 simulations

this is uhhh

hold on lemme explain the results

[north spindle]

what is the heuristic?

[tiny canyon]

Okay... you guys might think I'm crazy, but what do you guys think about...

[thorny axle]

deadass do you play balatro.

[tiny canyon]

Yes.

I think the HC and Pairs will set off some alarms in your heads, but I have my reasons.

[thorny axle]

i'm listening

i'm doubtful but i'm willing to hear you out

[tranquil steppe]

Who has gotten 151?

[north spindle]

i mean the pairs are nuked from orbit lol
pluto >>> mercury with those values

[wintry ice]

why are we genuinely nerfing saturn

[thorny axle]

151 what

[faint linden]

I made it into Ante 5 on Purple Stake with the wonkiest Joker setup ever

[thorny axle]

pairs did NOT deserve it

[north spindle]

saturn also makes straights pretty garbage

[jovial copper]

took me a month but i finally did it lol

[north spindle]

the 2pair card otoh is nutty

[wintry ice]

why are we also nerfing venus

[north spindle]

like with those values i suspect 2pair is the play 90% of the time

[olive basin]

Listen, Charrter we can’t hold your hand through it all. balatro is about gambling but what is the point of gambling if you don’t gamble yourself?

[potent tree]

do i ditch hologram for chad? it's only at 5x

[shell rock]

can this naneinf

[calm furnace]

no you need showman

[wintry ice]

+30 chips two pairs are as good as current pairs

[pulsar plover]

your right I need to lock in

[north spindle]

like why are we taking the good part of saturn and transplanting it onto the 3rd easiest hand to form lol

[shell rock]

genuinely, one mime would have saved this run lol

but four barons was funnier

[potent tree]

aggron pfp, i see you are a man of culture as well

[shell rock]

hell yes

[tiny canyon]

HC and Pairs are by far the easiest hands to play. If you have a way of getting lots of levels, then realistically the only hands you will play will be those easy ones.

I wanted to change this by adding a sort of... duality to planet cards.

HC and pair are missing eachothers values so that you still have to put some thought into one of the scoring type jokers if you are spamming levels.

Then, you may notice that 3Oak and 2Pair are also in a sort of duality. 2Pair for chips, or 3Oak for mult?
Full House takes the benefits of both as a reward for literally playing them both. Flush and 4oaks are basically the same, they are fine. Saturn no longer has the highest amount of chips of the common 5-card hands. It has enough of an advantage with having 3 mult. This also puts it in a duality with Full House.

[potent tree]

but in any case, we ditch holo here right

[thorny axle]

i also am a garlic bread lover

[shell rock]

wall of text minor boss

garlic bread is delicious

[cloud sinew]

found another issue with this :(
with my heuristic if you had 4 of a flush and 4 of a straight there is no "optimal strategy" and so you just don't discard lmao okay let me fix that for one

[tiny canyon]

Basically, some times a certain hand is strictly stronger than another. I wanted to make it a more important choice by changing which planets give you a lot of mult versus a lot of chips.

[wintry ice]

ok but why do venus and saturn need to have less chips

[potent tree]

doesn't like the color yellow

[wintry ice]

and with the discrepancy of chips and mult

[north spindle]

the problem is that chips and mult aren't equally valuable

[shell rock]

i like the general increase of all hands, there are a few quirks but i think hands increasing by mult and chips is important

[wintry ice]

high card and two pair will just overshadow their other counterpart

[thorny axle]

holy text wall
okay im willing to hear you out on High Card and Pair
but the 2pair and 3OAK doesn't really work
same with Full House and Straights because surpise surprise
Full Houses Don't Get Shit

[shell rock]

the quirk in question is how flush house scales better than flush five but thats a small thing

[north spindle]

because of the rest of the game having mult and chips at the frequency they do, chips from planets are typically better

[thorny axle]

👆

[tiny canyon]

Venus has a mult advantage over 2 Pair. It creates a decision between the two hand types. Mult is generally considered better (but that is not always the case), so thats why the harder hand to play has more mult rather than chips. Same with Earth/Saturn, mult is generally better but not always, which is why Saturn has it, since it is generally considered harder to play. If you need chips, then you should invest of full house instead of straights.

[wintry ice]

mult isn't better than chips

[amber forge]

Straights are dead with that scaling, and 2 pair should not have 30 chips lol

[wintry ice]

1/15 decks are plasma

[thorny axle]

heres the problem

[wintry ice]

the others are not plasma

[potent tree]

what e are we getting to chat

[glad sequoia]

Pain

[wintry ice]

so both chips and mult are valuable for them

[thorny axle]

people use planets based on what they're working with

[faint linden]

Foil Square, Holo Abstract, Constellation, and whatever Riff-Raff makes. Currently have Odd Todd and am going into Ante 6

[north spindle]

if i need chips with your planet values its 2pair time

[tiny canyon]

Of course not always. You are given both options between mutl/chips with this planet reworks, and have to decide what is best for you at this time.

[tiny canyon]

Okay admitedly I put 2pair too high whoops

[faint linden]

I'm using any planet I can get this run because Constellation

[tiny canyon]

Yeahhh I meant to do 20 how did I make that mistake.

[cloud sinew]

I don't like this idea at all

[spark kernel]

I FINALLY BEAT PURPLE STAKE

[wintry ice]

and with how much more common +mult jokers than +chips, two pair and high card are going to be obviously better than their counterpart in 90% of scenarios

this type of design doesn't work very well

[thorny axle]

okay so im using 3oak
and i have a decent amount of levels in it
and my perishable stuntman/any source of +chips dies
fuck do i do now?

[shell rock]

does 3oak scale better than 2 pair already?

[wintry ice]

yes

[north spindle]

with +20 you are now probably considering pluto too?
i mean it doesnt address the problem of "98% of the time, i care about chips from the planets"

[wintry ice]

it's a harder to draw hand

[thorny axle]

in concept this is cool
but in practice it falls flat

[shell rock]

ok then i have no problems with hand levels

[thorny axle]

i think the planets are already good

[ocean lily]

would this score enough to win, or do i need to use the safety net justice alredy

[wintry ice]

the only hands i want to get changed are flush and full house

[thorny axle]

maybe give earth a small bump

[north spindle]

ig it makes early planet use harder to justify at the expense of destroying the viability of several hand types

[thorny axle]

instead of +25 chips its +30

[safe venture]

Discard until flush

[safe venture]

Metal sonic

[plain briar]

is this peak plasma deck?

[thorny axle]

*neo metal sonic

[wintry ice]

also adding onto this

[safe venture]

It's still metal doe

[olive basin]

More

[wintry ice]

would anyone do a mult plasma run with that kind of uranus scaling

[ocean lily]

would each of them take away from the hand size, or only the 2 og?

[thorny axle]

pairs are dead, 3oak are dead, full houses are even deader

[olive basin]

MORE CHIPS

[ocean lily]

anyone):

[austere rain]

Thank you eternal rental seeing double I’ll never talk bad about you again (it was last reroll and I had one dollar to my name)

[plain briar]

just 2 coz my hand size was 5

[tiny canyon]

Sent that message on accident I wasnt done lol

[shell rock]

peak plasma deck is at least one wee with over 2000 chips

[thorny axle]

holy handsize

[cloud sinew]

I adjusted the heuristic to account for scenarios where there was no "optimal" I.e with 4 of a flush Vs 4 of a straight (the hand with the most hits is prioritised now).
based on this, flushes are more likely to be drawn than straights in a base deck

[wintry ice]

well you usually don't get planets in the earlygame

[tiny canyon]

If that was the whole message id be stupid of an argument

[thorny axle]

tarots card need to be changed...

[ancient gyro]

finally

[thorny axle]

make strength 3 cards and lovers (wild cards) 2 cards
also probably make magician (lucky cards) 1 card

[plain briar]

ig i needed more chips

[ancient gyro]

my answers have been solved

[shell rock]

wild card needs to be 2 methinks

[cloud sinew]

that doesn't solve the main issue with wild cards though

[shell rock]

magician is good the way it is-

[thorny axle]

maybe idk

could go either way

[cloud sinew]

which is that they open you up to too many boss blinds

[ancient gyro]

it used to be like this in the beta which was later changed

for obvious reasons

[north spindle]

im considering making a mod that sets the planet values like thag when i get to my desk lol
im pretty confident that what a lot of us are saying would become pretty apparent

[thorny axle]

3 card strength or 2 card lovers

[ancient gyro]

well the former

[thorny axle]

i see

[ancient gyro]

the latter will be reworked while still impactful as one enhancement

[gilded latch]

Rick: Yo

[thorny axle]

probably not an amazing idea

[wintry ice]

this is my stance

[faint linden]

Does anyone have tips for not letting nerves break your run? Heading into Ante 7 on Purple Stake for the first time

[shell rock]

i feel like 2-card lovers with wilds not being debuffed by suit-specific boss blinds is too good tho

[thorny axle]

i dont think about it tbh

[wintry ice]

oh yeah this could also use +10 chips

[shell rock]

didnt mean to reply lol

[tiny canyon]

In the early game, you generally want mult to get by. In the late game, usually having a LOT of mult is what helps you win.

Saying that chips is the only thing that makes planets good is just... incorrect. If thats your playstyle, then great. But plants have value in their chips AND mult, and saying that all low chip planets or all low mult planets are useless is a bit silly.

It depends on the run what you want more. Thats why I made it a choice for most planets except the very high power ones.

[cloud sinew]

VERY big asterisk *, this isn't with the best strategy as there is no proven best strategy, but it's an okay approximation

[ancient gyro]

curveball balance would be to buff venuts as well for no reason

[tiny canyon]

ok gtg

[wintry ice]

i think pairs have enough jokers to be considered over high card so changing the chips to be the same is safe

[tiny canyon]

I was stupid and accidentally deleted my message literally twice, thats why it took so long to type out 😭

But I can't respond to anything else.

[shell rock]

i like venus scaling because chips is exactly 10x the mult

[thorny axle]

planets are good for providing chips as a source if you can't find +chips

[potent tree]

gah damn we almost hit e15 with this hand...

[thorny axle]

but the mult is also useful for glass cards and such

[spark kernel]

How hard is orange stake

[shell rock]

it makes me happy i hope it stays like that

[thorny axle]

and also big number better

[thorny axle]

if you're confident with purple stake, you can beat orange stake

[spark kernel]

I did get my first purple stake win

[ancient gyro]

makes sense cause how are you going to logic your chances of finding the last card once or twice

[thorny axle]

i just realised
my 2 favourite decks (magic and ghost) both start with consumables

Huh.

[shell rock]

what if im not confident with purple stake

[thorny axle]

this is how you lure me in

you're cooked on orange

[faint linden]

Rate the Joker setup: Foil Square, Arrowhead, Holo Abstract, Poly Swashbuckler, Constellation

[shell rock]

arrowhead 😍

[thorny axle]

put a "starting hermit" in your deck description and im sold

[thorny axle]

Add More XMult

[faint linden]

Playing Two Pair build on Checkered

[ancient gyro]

i still say that pairs work fine if not well if the whole game ran on black deck juice with two extra discards for the blue stake removal

[shell dagger]

Love a blueprint canio run

[ancient gyro]

(not rework btw, idk what that would be yet)

[faint linden]

Swashbuckler is Polychrome and Constellation is at x3

[wintry ice]

we'll have to see how the gamestate will look like after thunk's rework of blue stake

[ancient gyro]

i still think the parent problem is that there's no reasonable interest in going for high reward builds

and ig blue seals

but im about three months into black deck don't listen to me

[cloud sinew]

even just removing blue stake is enough to change so many things in ways people wouldn't immediately expect, but then it's actually going to be replaced with something along with a myriad of other balance changes

[ancient gyro]

will there be a new rebate joker who knows

will skip tags be manual instead of automatic

[cloud sinew]

I so hope that rebate gets nerfed to $3

[ancient gyro]

will goku get out of that damn labubu

rebate gets nerfed to 4 instead

[thorny axle]

will people finally see the light and see that 8ball is actually really strong

[ancient gyro]

8 ball is

[cloud sinew]

8ball is just okay

[ancient gyro]

ight

idrc if it procs less than I want

[safe venture]

Is it possible to unlock invisible joker using painted deck

[cloud sinew]

yes

[faint linden]

That's how I did it

[cloud sinew]

I'd want it to proc almost all the time so yeah ofc idc

[potent tree]

yeesh. guess i am making it to ante 15 after all

[wintry ice]

8 ball is just fine for a common tarot generator

[cloud sinew]

yeah

[wintry ice]

i can see changing the rate to 1 in 3 but idk if it needs it

[potent tree]

wow constellation! too bad it's ante 14!

[ancient gyro]

timing can be wack for blue seals but that's about it

[faint linden]

Don't panic. Going into Ante 8

[cloud sinew]

3 discards makes 8ball stronger already

also makes superpos stronger which is nice

[thorny axle]

holy shit i just realised

superposition

its when something is in 2 places at once

[cloud sinew]

yes

[ancient gyro]

i need to beat brooke before 1.1 comes out

[faint linden]

Violet Vessel. Am I cooked?

[thorny axle]

and aces are both the highest (ace king queen jack 10) and lowest (5 4 3 2 ace)

[ancient gyro]

context hat

[cloud sinew]

yes

[thorny axle]

holy shit it makes sense now

[faint linden]

Needs 1.2m

[thorny axle]

is this how it felt to discover photochad

[ancient gyro]

zawg ik what vv does

[thorny axle]

it's Really Big

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[ancient gyro]

i meant like

nvm

[thorny axle]

i love bloodstone

[faint linden]

Using Arrowhead

[thorny axle]

i find it funny how out of the Suit Based Gemstones onyx agate is just... there

[ancient gyro]

onyx and bloodstone used to have opposite effects in beta

for whatever reason

[thorny axle]

Bloodstone is The Guy
Arrowhead is just a chill guy
Rough Gem is neat
and then there's Onyx Agate...

[woven spire]

plasma deck is just nnoying to gs, i did orange stake in 2 hours and i cant get through gold

[cloud sinew]

Bloodstone is ass
Arrowhead is the goat
Rough gem is okay
Agate is decent

[woven spire]

ive never seen someone use agate

[cloud sinew]

agate is fib but for clubs, it's very good

[ancient gyro]

most normal ppl don't get c++ repeating plasma

[thorny axle]

bloodstone is the one that i see talked about because people see on score xmult and start foaming at the mouth

[serene forge]

I hate Plasma Deck

[woven spire]

i agree

[potent tree]

this won't naneinf but still funny

[thorny axle]

I love Plasma Deck

[ocean lily]

i dont take the soul right, wee is at 232

[potent tree]

wee can't be tossed anyways

[thorny axle]

crafty joker gotta go

[potent tree]

neither can bloodstone...

[serene forge]

grrr

[thorny axle]

his time is up

[woven spire]

what if perkeo

[ancient gyro]

agate is poor man's fib, slightly locked under a worse poker hand poker hand and slightly lower mult

[serene forge]

sell bloodstone

[ocean lily]

same, it was my 1st gold stake(i have 2, and am working on abandoned for the 3rd, curently on black stake)

[tiny canyon]

Yeah either crafty or bloodstone go

[woven spire]

eternal

[tiny canyon]

How much base mult do you have?

[lavish gazelle]

Kill crafty

[faint linden]

@serene forge look at that center Joker

[serene forge]

i don't care just sell it

[ocean lily]

why not the flush guy, im mainly playing oak hands

[woven spire]

HOW

[ocean lily]

oh yeah, and its eternal

[serene forge]

that could work too

[potent tree]

damn almost e16.

[ocean lily]

canio.-.

[serene forge]

if eternal jokers can't be sold why are they sold to you in the shop

[ocean lily]

ON ABANDONED DECK

[woven spire]

oof

[serene forge]

gg

[thorny axle]

somebody call a Hanged Man

[potent tree]

pareidolia time

[cloud sinew]

$10

[woven spire]

they just like you and dont wanna leave u

[ocean lily]

free 10 bucks am i right 👍

[thorny axle]

10 bucks is 10 bucks

[ancient gyro]

yeah

[serene forge]

just use some strengths and hangman

[woven spire]

techniacllt is 4 bucks cause the pack cost 6

[serene forge]

or sell for 10 dollar

both are good

[ocean lily]

did that, rerolled the shop twice, AND I GOT TEMPERENCE

[ancient gyro]

canio is fine to keep on abandoned

[ocean lily]

i could have gotten 20 bucks from it

[hidden lance]

we are deriving the omelette challange from first principels

[faint linden]

Lost to VV

[ocean lily]

IJDHglkdsfhjkofxljhjdfgphnjfdgkjljhopdfegjhpgf

a 2nd soul like 2 shops after

wthwthwth

[ancient gyro]

trib

[ocean lily]

triblue.-.

[serene forge]

k

[lavish gazelle]

Let it ride

[ancient gyro]

you can kill

[barren wigeon]

3 peak vouchers

amazing luck

[ocean lily]

OFCF I GET THE 2 FACE LEGENDAIRS ON ABANDONED

[ancient gyro]

trib technically you can make work but im spiteful

[barren wigeon]

canio is VERY usable on abandoned deck

[glad bronze]

ante 7 small blind

[barren wigeon]

trib not so much

[glad bronze]

somehow I don't take here

[wary zodiac]

this is why you play yellow deck

rage

[serene forge]

oof

[barren wigeon]

is this before or after ante 7 small blind

[potent tree]

rip run. but hey i'll take it

[serene forge]

you can skip blinds

[potent tree]

yorick x29

[barren wigeon]

also true

[glad bronze]

I can also score 1m in 1 hand

[barren wigeon]

OK but

blueprint

[glad bronze]

gold stickers

[barren wigeon]

OK but

Blueprint

[potent tree]

my first visit to ante 15 with full houses. that's something.

[glad bronze]

Nah, I'd C+++

[ocean lily]

WAIT45SF 2 souls around ante 4, canio then trib

[woven spire]

holy ragebait.

[glad sequoia]

Lol what

[atomic trout]

Makes me wonder how to lose

[potent tree]

also is it funny how i found both trib and yorick ante 2

[serene forge]

I hate Green Deck

[ancient gyro]

you're gonna give mickel ideas

[glad bronze]

FIN DE PARTIDA

[potent tree]

dead chat?

[old urchin]

my first unseeded bean bug

[potent tree]

noice. i had unseeded juggler bug the other day

[olive basin]

Bean bug?

[potent tree]

if crimson heart disables bean on the hand you win, exit to main menu and reenter the run

[cloud sinew]

https://discord.com/channels/1116389027176787968/1342112903070875741

[pale wolf]

#unknown

[potent tree]

or just look at the video lilo sent you to

[pale wolf]

what kind of VIRUS is this

[potent tree]

damn when did you get on terraria arc

[cloud sinew]

it's literally not for me but pop off 🦓

[scarlet sail]

What’s the required score for ante 32?

[thorny wigeon]

Feel my pain

[woven spire]

do i sell blue here?

[potent tree]

how big is runner

oh nvm i see

[woven spire]

90

[potent tree]

i'd sell devious honestly

[pale wolf]

i played thru the whole thing with a friend in 2016 and then didnt really pay attention to it til the past 3 weeks or so

[potent tree]

damn bro is comin back after 10 years

[woven spire]

ight

[potent tree]

we're getting balatro 1.1 and even gta 6 before terraria 1.4.5

[pale wolf]

video gaming is fr

[thorny wigeon]

what is this run

3 natural negatives

[potent tree]

and bludstone

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[cloud sinew]

holy midas

[signal frigate]

I cannot imagine GTA 6 coming out this year

It's absolutely getting delayed

[pale wolf]

what does Midas do

[keen pilot]

But the Baron never came..

[cloud sinew]

I sincerely think that resetting bus here (4) is worth it for golds

[signal frigate]

The bus isn't gonna like that

[cloud sinew]

a little bit controversial

[thorny wigeon]

2nd blueprint that I cannot take

damn

I really hoped for antimatter or ecto

[keen pilot]

Just sell bloodstone /j

[thorny wigeon]

and what do I copy?

anyway I win

[keen pilot]

congrats

[keen pilot]

"/j" is a tone tag that stands for "joke", just letting you know in case you don't

[wintry ice]

3 2 pairs might do it if you get to draw that

[cloud sinew]

I decided against it, ending up with a good run if I don't mess this up

[ancient gyro]

paint sniffing expert

oh

[cloud sinew]

36 on pairs means I'm fine

[wintry ice]

well obelisk on painted is a free win

[ancient gyro]

ofc

[vocal sun]

I just had some tragic luck, took a rare joker tag and got a perishable brainstorm and then took a rare joker from a spectral pack and got obelisk

wait cartomancer made temperance with egg im so back

[lunar gate]

i don't need oops anyway

[ancient gyro]

complains from a stupid decision and a good hit

what else is new

[vocal sun]

aint no complaining here

tf

i said tragic luck its nothing negative about it except the way you read it

[ancient gyro]

expected value is expected

[signal frigate]

Why are you taking rare tags?

[vocal sun]

why not

[ancient gyro]

to make this statement

[vocal sun]

im playing how i want idc if i play perfectly

[ancient gyro]

im making fun however I want

we make do

[signal frigate]

Skipping is kinda not good

[vocal sun]

as long as im having fun whats the problem

[signal frigate]

And the game already showed why

You got punished for it

[ancient gyro]

i kinda don't wanna play balaballs today

too much thinking required

[signal frigate]

I kinda just wanna draw, black Deck Gold stake is draining me

[vocal sun]

woah the game punished me for something i did on my own accord, i guess ill lose and have to play this game i enjoy more, its so horrible

i hate when i have to play this amazing game more

[signal frigate]

True that

But I am allowed to point out a not great play

[woven spire]

mhmmmm

[signal frigate]

At least you actually like playing the game

[signal frigate]

Chaos has done a good job

[vocal sun]

if people dont enjoy this game they lying

[signal frigate]

Plus, free temperance value immediately

[woven spire]

yh he has to go

[signal frigate]

Trib is balling

[woven spire]

ehhhhhh

[vocal sun]

tragic

[signal frigate]

Not bad tbh, it's good safe guard for plant at least

[woven spire]

would like a chicot more here tbf

[vocal sun]

oh hell yeah 3 hits from 2 lucky cards played 5 times

wait i think its not 5 times

i think its 4

[compact bay]

The best Joker, Canio, is perfect for selling.

[woven spire]

he has done a good job giving me 10 bucks

[hidden lance]

trying to deckfix with a stuntman feels like im doing it blindfolded

[vocal sun]

damn i got wheel with only a perishable joker and it actually hit

ill be good without more jokers for a bit tho so i guesss thats nice

[woven spire]

gold stake plasma deck: never again.

[vocal sun]

nice

[scarlet sail]

Perkeo makes these runs so much more stressful

Just gave up on him after a while

[flint dust]

best buffon pack of all time

[last geyser]

Round 1 what would be better here ?

[flint dust]

is this gold?

[last geyser]

Purple

Black deck

[flint dust]

i would say nanna cause it will help with the early game

[last geyser]

Aight

[heady narwhal]

so what exactly do the percentages mean?

is it something like "the probability that, after 2 'optimal' discards, this poker hand is the highest-ranking hand available"?

if so that's pretty useful information

i'd also be interested in the probabilities for trying to get specific hands

like if i'm trying to get a flush and only a flush

and if a 4oak or whatever shows up i discard it

[woven spire]

immado black deck now f it

it cant be that bad

[vocal sun]

Famous last words right there bromigo

[last geyser]

Holy tough decision
Round 1 purple stake black deck

Sorry for my shit camera that’s blueprint on the left

[vocal sun]

blueprint trust

[heady narwhal]

i'd stencil because it's black deck

[vocal sun]

no trust

[heady narwhal]

you can just die otherwise

also stencil is better i guess

[ancient gyro]

something like this would be nice for other poker hands

[last geyser]

Hmmm

I’ll go stencil

Cos yeah black deck

[ancient gyro]

good boy

[signal frigate]

I think lucky cards are okay

Strength isn't really all that bad either

So it can stay as 2

Wild Cards definitely need a buff

[woven spire]

i forgor how to play normal balatro after 2 days of just plasma deck.

[heady narwhal]

magician was buffed from 1 to 2 so i'd rather it stay that way
strength is already very good
wild cards need a buff, lovers does not

[potent tree]

free temp value i guess?

[signal frigate]

The tarot itself is okay

[heady narwhal]

with current wild cards, lovers could enhance up to 8 cards and i still wouldn't take it (bar license of course)

[signal frigate]

The enhancement however is definitely the weakest

[signal frigate]

I would actually take it

If it did that

I'm a wild card enjoyer

I like the idea of that enhancement so I really want it to become viable

[woven spire]

if lovers enchaned 8 card ancient would go crazy, but any suit boss would destroy u tho

[signal frigate]

That's probably the buff it'll get

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[vocal sun]

glass card my beloved saved me because i have brainstorm and chad

[flint dust]

@still geyser

[signal frigate]

Ftl??

[serene forge]

I love FTL Faster Than Light

[vocal sun]

do cards that get negative from like spectral packs have increased sell value or what

[signal frigate]

I fucking suck at it but I liked it alot

[signal frigate]

It's an edition

[serene forge]

evil blueprint be like

[woven spire]

why are we on 360p

[signal frigate]

It increases the value yes

[vocal sun]

thanks

oh wait i figured it out all my other jokers sell for like nothing thats why temperance wasnt that good

[flint dust]

it is a quarter of the screen cause... idk

[signal frigate]

You bought the discount voucher?

[vocal sun]

yeah but i bought the jokers before it or does that not matter

well idk how many of them i bought before

[woven spire]

it doesnt

[vocal sun]

alr so thats why

[signal frigate]

It doesn't matter if you did or not, the voucher will take effect

Because you made them cheaper

[serene forge]

that's why clearance sale is bad for dagger

[signal frigate]

Kinda why I like Gift card alot

[serene forge]

because it makes the scaling worse

[signal frigate]

Tbh, Dagger isn't that great anyways

[serene forge]

it also makes egg and gc stronger in a way because their sell values are not affected

[woven spire]

more people should consider this

[signal frigate]

I would actually say Swash maybe a little better

Nah not that either

[serene forge]

fuck no

[woven spire]

wha

[serene forge]

dagger is literally just better swash

[signal frigate]

I took a second to think, yeah not good

But I just never found dagger good either

It's not bad though

[vocal sun]

8 or ace first also any jokers swap around or what

[signal frigate]

Does give a good sizable mult

But this is why Gift Card exists

[fiery nymph]

dagger is better than swash imo

[woven spire]

same

[fiery nymph]

less joker space

[shell dagger]

it’s way better

[woven spire]

swash is easier to use tho

[cloud sinew]

pluh

[fiery nymph]

and it looks cooler

[woven spire]

but dagger clears

[shell dagger]

imo dagger is better than supernova

[heady narwhal]

i agree

[signal frigate]

My opinion on both isn't that high

[fiery nymph]

yea fr

[signal frigate]

But I'd say the same, Dagger at least get better faster the longer you have it

As long as you feed it

If I have Gift Card, I actually delay it's feeding

[fiery nymph]

keep the dagger nourished and its a good scale mult

[signal frigate]

I was never a fan of supernova though

I know it's good but meh

[pale wolf]

tbh swash should be a chip joker

[ancient gyro]

sort of a stretch but one is proactive so um uh um 🗣️

[fiery nymph]

wait real

[signal frigate]

Too much of a Grimbo fan

[potent tree]

what's being thrown here? i'm running fullhouse/4oak/5oak

[pale wolf]

it would be more interesting and also blue is water

[signal frigate]

Your deck is thin enough

[woven spire]

thats a good point

[signal frigate]

I think trading card has done enough

[pale wolf]

it would mean dagger is the mult sell value scaler

and swash is the chip one

[shell dagger]

it’s pretty inconsequential between walkie and trading card

[fiery nymph]

yea

[signal frigate]

Walkie gives a little bit of chips

But that's a good sell too

Trading is erosion value

[shell dagger]

they’re only gonna get +12 from trading card max

[pale wolf]

you could get bbc on the reroll

[woven spire]

bbc doesnt sound right lol

[pale wolf]

and replace duo

[ancient gyro]

if you're running higher poker hands you don't need walkie chips

[pale wolf]

🦓

[potent tree]

i mean i've deckfixed around 10s and 4s to some extent

probably not surviving ante 10 anyway

[signal frigate]

Wdym? It's perfectly normal

[unborn cliff]

BaseBallCard

[signal frigate]

What's your final score?

[ancient gyro]

so trading card

[woven spire]

i might just be dumb

[woven spire]

yh ik

[potent tree]

currently i manage 200k a hand

[signal frigate]

You can get to it, probably not pass it

[ancient gyro]

what's ante 10

[potent tree]

this is first shop ante 8

[signal frigate]

3mil boss blind

[unborn cliff]

67

[potent tree]

boss is VL but i can just sell superposition

[ancient gyro]

never heard of it

[signal frigate]

We need to leave that stupid meme in 2025

[pale wolf]

sixty seven

[potent tree]

i heard 2026 was supposed to be a meme reset

[unborn cliff]

no

[potent tree]

and everyone flashing back to 2016

[unborn cliff]

"great meme reset"

[woven spire]

2025 had the WORST memes oat

[signal frigate]

Let us celebrate the return of the Skyrim skeleton

[signal frigate]

That was never gonna last a week

That's not how the internet works

[unborn cliff]

property in egypt

[pale wolf]

its a rollback actually, all memes from the past 20 years are now GAME! Z0mg

[woven spire]

mehhhh

[potent tree]

rollback? THROWBACK??

[unborn cliff]

cicada 3301

[pale wolf]

did you know?

[ancient gyro]

nose

[unborn cliff]

no

[woven spire]

did anyone know?

[unborn cliff]

those who know

[woven spire]

.

[shell dagger]

zomg

[woven spire]

we can all agree 67 was ass right?

[shell dagger]

nah

[vocal sun]

yeah

[woven spire]

WYM

[shell dagger]

67 is too niche

nobody knows about it

[woven spire]

fair

spanish balatro memes tho

[shell dagger]

anyway i prefer 67 to all that ai brainrot shit

[ancient gyro]

21 is so much funnier

you stupid

[woven spire]

"Whats 9+10?"

[shell dagger]

na am nat

[ancient gyro]

no im not

guys xtentacion just died

[unborn cliff]

spanish balatro players after the 47th "balatro balatrez" joke of the day

[potent tree]

ok what now? trading card goes?

[unborn cliff]

sell duo

[woven spire]

as a spaniard i can agree.

[shell dagger]

superposish goes

[woven spire]

WHAT?

[potent tree]

saving that for VL

[signal frigate]

You and I have some history

[unborn cliff]

WHAT?????????

YOU'RE LYING.

[woven spire]

how

[signal frigate]

I was born in Philippines

[woven spire]

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh

[ancient gyro]

i saw it on vine

[shell dagger]

second biggest reason I’m learning spanish is to be able to understand spanish balatro memes

[pale wolf]

im hyperventilating

[unborn cliff]

this is the new meme of 2026 👇

[woven spire]

spain has beef with 20% of the world cant keep up w it

[signal frigate]

Some bits and pieces of Spanish stayed with us

[ancient gyro]

anyways add me on musical.ly

[unborn cliff]

yo bro add me on google+

[signal frigate]

I thought that was the British

[woven spire]

lowk tuff

[potent tree]

spain? bull? makes sense

but the world can't keep up with spain on plasma deck

[signal frigate]

We say "Amigo" alot, aswell as the numbers

Uno, dos, tres, quattro, Cinco

[shell dagger]

im spanish without the S 🤣

[pale wolf]

hey lets sell our useless bitcoin, that's nerd shit anyways

[potent tree]

erm actually "quattro" is italian 🤓☝️

[unborn cliff]

if bread in french is pain
then i own a whole bakery 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[woven spire]

whole south america hates us tho lol

[unborn cliff]

arrivederci

[shell dagger]

cuatro

[signal frigate]

Oh yeah, that is true

[signal frigate]

Because this might've been the right spelling

[pale wolf]

[potent tree]

not to be confused with cuarto which means room

[unborn cliff]

quat t t (triple t) ro

[signal frigate]

We also use that word here

[woven spire]

yh cuatro is spanish

[terse vale]

quatré

[unborn cliff]

genderless 4

[woven spire]

cuarto means fourth too

[shell dagger]

tengo cuatro dólares en balatro 😢

[potent tree]

quarter yes

[unborn cliff]

cuatrocientos

[signal frigate]

Y'all definitely forced fed us Spanish back in the day

[woven spire]

not the same thing but that too yeah

[signal frigate]

This is probably a Geometry Dash reference

[woven spire]

lmao

[lapis blade]

gif-ified

[woven spire]

nah that just means 400

[signal frigate]

Good job, you gifified a Reddit meme

You're a Redditor now

[lapis blade]

this is the end times

[potent tree]

so consensus is duo or trading card here?

[unborn cliff]

[heavy american accent] yo tengo.. hamburgesuh..

[signal frigate]

Yeah I know but they're from the GD server