🕹・game-discussion

[lost vault]

uwu

[latent egret]

epic

[heavy heron]

youll know it when you see it

[wintry ice]

i will put 1 kilogram of salt in my popcorn

[trim notch]

My run 😭😭😭😭

[heavy heron]

excuse me

[wintry ice]

i will die from high blood pressure

[lost vault]

yummy

[trim notch]

I was about to gold canio

[heavy heron]

that’s unhygienic

[trim notch]

💔😪😪

[lost vault]

im saying i butter myself up

[lost vault]

just shower

[heavy heron]

why would you do that

isn’t butter for cooking

[lost vault]

greasy

yes

it makes me tastier

[heavy heron]

why would you want to be greasy

[lost vault]

i unno

[heavy heron]

mmm cannibalism 🤤

[lost vault]

close

[heavy heron]

crazy

[naive coyote]

guys i have a question

[heavy heron]

huhhhh

[naive coyote]

whats the play here

[lost vault]

restart

:3

[heavy heron]

sell a blueprint

[dark cairn]

updated my gold stake deck tier list based on how my experiences with them have gone
saved the worst for last

[heavy heron]

you need at least one retrigger for baron

minimum

[lost vault]

no sell brainstorm

[heavy heron]

you don’t need 3 blueprints

[lost vault]

youbsilly

blueprijt is literally just better

[naive coyote]

oh smart trueee

[heavy heron]

your score is going to go to next level once you get a mime

[lost vault]

plus

selling bs means u can get a nat neg in the shop if lucky

[heavy heron]

even 1 mime and 2 barons beats 5 barons (the way you have it now)

[heavy heron]

oh yea…

[naive coyote]

trueee

[lost vault]

yes

sell brainstorm

[naive coyote]

ok thanks this maybe my first naneinf

[lost vault]

mm yea with the cryptids its not very hard to naneinf i think

[calm furnace]

not far from reality

drop plasma to the lowest tier and put blue deck in top tier and you have the actual deck tier list

[dark cairn]

i blasted through the plasma deck climb with only liek 3 deaths

all of them were simply because i didnt know what i was doing yet

[calm furnace]

plasma blasts through lower stakes

[dark cairn]

well i did blue purple orange and gold all first try

though gold doesnt count ill admit because i was handed a free win on a silver platter

[nova elk]

what crystal ball is for? which consumable slot it gives me for?

[dark cairn]

tarot, planet, and spectral cards

[dark cairn]

i think the problem with plasma stake seems to be consistency
it seems like if you dont find a decent source of chips you're kinda screwed
but i was able to make it work so it was an easy win for me

[lost vault]

any consumavle

uwu

[dark cairn]

as for blue deck that was my first gold stake climb

so i had no idea what i was doing at all yet

the tier list is based on the experiences i had with them personally

it would be slightly rearranged if it was based solely on my thoughts about their objective overall power

zodiac likely wouldn't be at the bottom for instance :/

[lost vault]

plasma is dumb and gay like me and for that reason i hate it

[dark cairn]

ghost isnt best?

i literally didnt die once doing the gold stake climb for it

[calm furnace]

the best is blue

with yellow slightly behind it

[dark cairn]

is it just bc of consistency?

[calm furnace]

yep

[dark cairn]

alr that makes sense

[calm furnace]

consistency is the biggest strength in this game

[lost vault]

kid named luck

[calm furnace]

but ghost is really good too

and its imo by far the most fun deck

[lime dirge]

FINALLU

[calm furnace]

i wouldnt play balatro this much if it wasnt for the ghost deck

it allows for builds and plays that are next to impossible to be done with other decks

[wintry ice]

i'd swap zodiac and painted

[calm furnace]

maybe put them same tier

[surreal spruce]

Hey Vic

[calm furnace]

but noway painted is not S

[surreal spruce]

Checkered isn’t S

Zodiac is top 5

[calm furnace]

based on what?

checkered is hella consistent

very strong early game

[surreal spruce]

Consistent for a hand type that doesn’t have great synergy with most aspects of a high stake run.

[calm furnace]

???

i didnt know that the computer self combusts and you get raided by the FBI if you play pairs on checkered

[surreal spruce]

Flush specific jokers just aren’t that good, and the one that is really good doesn’t work on the deck. It scales poorly for trigger effect jokers and doesn’t help much meaningfully late game

[surreal spruce]

Why are you being disingenuous.

[acoustic kettle]

Pair of flushes

[lapis ice]

is it good?

[pale wolf]

you lose the easy use of seeing double and ancient joker on checkered

[calm furnace]

and get the benefit of a very strong early game

[calm furnace]

good trade off

[pale wolf]

its okay

[surreal spruce]

The very strong early game is mediocre

You basically guarantee one shot first blind

[lost vault]

red

[surreal spruce]

2nd you need some help to be able to one shot unless uber lucky

[calm furnace]

guaranteed 2 shot 2nd blind and almost guarenteed 3 shot 3rd blind

only painted deck has a better early game

[acoustic kettle]

Used to be blue but just a few hours on other decks took away everything about my plasma gameplay

😭

[surreal spruce]

This is not THAT good to be a top 5 deck tho

Like it’s useful

But generally any + mult joker gives that effect

[surreal spruce]

Plasma

[dark cairn]

Idk arrowhead is really strong on checkered

[surreal spruce]

And yellow

[lost vault]

checkered is cook i think

cool

not like

amazing

bur cool

[surreal spruce]

Arrowhead is just really strong in general

[heady narwhal]

new joker concept: +3 joker slots, reduces by 1 every round

[surreal spruce]

Good chips

[dark cairn]

free stuntman worth of chips for playing the hand you should be playing on CD anyway

[slow epoch]

Holy bloodstone run

[surreal spruce]

It’s good early game

[lapis ice]

is this run good?

[lost vault]

new joker concept +30 joker slots -10 every round

[surreal spruce]

End game though 250 gets kinda redundant

[heavy heron]

i don’t think so because your jokers will overflow and you’ll be forced to sell 3 at some point which

i don’t know like

[lost vault]

with flush scaling not really

[heavy heron]

just sounds glitchy

[lost vault]

.^.

[heady narwhal]

ante 6 round 12 so probably not

[hearty warren]

🧑‍🍳

[dark cairn]

idk cause your mult will make that 250 a lot more

[fiery orchid]

Arrowhead is very good in general for a ante 8 run, especially on Plasma

[glad sequoia]

Just can't catch a break today 😅

[heavy heron]

excuse me

my flush scales perfectly

[heady narwhal]

that's the general idea. it's certainly not in line with vanilla joker design but i think it'd be funny

[lost vault]

they have slow chip scaling what can i say

[dark cairn]

on checkered deck flushes are like just as easy to play as pairs

[tepid skiff]

Joker stencil

[trim notch]

Labubu sinergy

[dark cairn]

arguably easier if you get +1 hand size from some source

[heavy heron]

it’s funny because it won’t scale for 3 mult because straights are way harder to draw, and not 25 chips because full houses are, again, way harder to draw

so flushes are just

15 chips 2 mult

which imo

[lost vault]

maybe

[dark cairn]

cause then youre guaranteed to draw either 5 spades or 5 hearts

[heavy heron]

really isn’t that bad

[heady narwhal]

but yoy might as well just play pairs for the held in hand synergy

[calm furnace]

flushes chip scaling sucks

[lost vault]

it is

[dark cairn]

so you have a hand thats easier to play

[heady narwhal]

& all the other pair synergies

[lost vault]

it js relaly bad

[hearty warren]

pair lobotomy <3

[dark cairn]

that scales better (+2 mult per level instead of 1)

[lost vault]

jupiter is so bad

[heavy heron]

for chips yeah but if it was anything higher it’d be absurd

because flushes are

ironically easy to draw

[dark cairn]

counterpoint: more card played synergy

[surreal spruce]

Flushes scale 4th worst in the game

[lost vault]

jupiter should be 20 chips

[heavy heron]

which isn’t saying a lot given the limited hands there are

[hearty warren]

if you have 9 hand size maybe flushes are guaranteed but they're also kinda cheeks

[heady narwhal]

doesn't matter much because i almosy always have +mult jokers

[dark cairn]

and flushes would get better benefit from steel cards anyway bc more mult from planet levels, no?

[lost vault]

theres 12

[heavy heron]

so it’s 4th worst out of 12

[heady narwhal]

the held in hand synergies are generally more useful i think

[heavy heron]

i mean..

[lost vault]

holds as much merit as saying a deck is top 5

[heavy heron]

unlike 5 of 12 hands flushes can be drawn right away

without deck fix

[surreal spruce]

There’s 13

[hearty warren]

you can hold more steel cards in hand with pairs

[heady narwhal]

gold cards and blue seals are the most powerful enhancement/seal respectively

[heavy heron]

hence the poorer scaling

[lost vault]

wait whats the 13th

[queen dock]

Full House with stencil and grimbo

[heavy heron]

yeah right

[dark cairn]

like what
if i have a blue seal on checkered id rather play flushes
youre usually not gonna have enough gold/steel cards for the cards played to matter for how many steel/gold cards you hold

[lost vault]

mercury venus earth mars jupiter saturn uranus neptune
pluto ceres eris planet x

[heady narwhal]

this is false

[surreal spruce]

I lied whoopsies

[lost vault]

thats12

[lost vault]

silly

[surreal spruce]

Miscounted

[dark cairn]

how so

[lost vault]

fair enough

[heady narwhal]

it's not just how many you can hold but also how effectively you can dig

[heavy heron]

ironically i think finding blue seals for flushes is easier than you think because you can brute force a final flush hand by deleting any 3-4 same-suit cards you draw right away

which gets you through half your deck

[heady narwhal]

pairs let you throw any 3 useless cards every hand

[dark cairn]

but flushes are so easy to draw on checkered you can afford to throw away extra cards

[lost vault]

and what if you whiff it

[heavy heron]

pairs are always easier to make blue seals work with obviously

[calm furnace]

depends but yeah for 5 card hands blue seals work better with flushes

[heavy heron]

then boohoo

[dark cairn]

again all you need is +1 hand size and youre guaranteed to always have a flush ready

[lost vault]

.-.

[heavy heron]

like compared to straights

[surreal spruce]

Flushes just scale too poorly for checkered to be a top 5 deck, early game isn’t good enough to compensate for the loss of late game help. Zodiac in itself gives more help throughout the entire game and arguably more in early game

[heavy heron]

blue seals are impossible

[crystal skiff]

guys can you recommend me which deck to play ? i want something with like more a passive ability if yk what i mean, im pretty new to this game, i started today, so sorry if i dont make much sense

[heavy heron]

straights you can’t disassemble a straight if you have one already or you’ll not draw one again, unlike flushes

[surreal spruce]

Yellow is as passive as it gets

[heady narwhal]

when you're holding a gold card your handsize effectively goes down by 1

[lost vault]

blue

is passiver

uwu

[crystal skiff]

ty guys lol

[calm furnace]

Wee is so insane wtf

[dark cairn]

and then you get 2 mult per level instead of 1 to compensate

[lost vault]

no?? you can still discard or play gold cards you wont fucking due

die

[dark cairn]

this too

[lapis ice]

red, blue, green, yellow or black deck?

[dark cairn]

gold cards aren't the end all be all

[heavy heron]

and i have you know i have no biases

[surreal spruce]

For what

[crystal skiff]

btw whats the purpose of the abandoned deck guys ?

[lost vault]

3 dollars isnt worth losing a run for

[lapis ice]

for beating the game 1st time

[acoustic kettle]

Smaller deck size

[lost vault]

a small deck is a good deck

[surreal spruce]

Consistency

[acoustic kettle]

Since it has no face

[lost vault]

12 less cards is an insane start

[surreal spruce]

Blue/yellow are the easiest of those

[heady narwhal]

the point was that it's harder to dig for gold cards and still win

[crystal skiff]

oh alr ty

[heavy heron]

i thought you like bigger decks

[dark cairn]

having no face cards makes drawing hands like 3/4 of a kind or straight easier

[lost vault]

mmm no

[dark cairn]

plus if you get a good card like a blue seal or gold seal or something it makes it more likely you draw it

[lost vault]

i like bigger

other things

[calm furnace]

this little boy

[lost vault]

you know

[surreal spruce]

Imagine trying to find one specific card. 1/52 chance vs 1/40 chance. Big difference fo hand types

[heavy heron]

abandoned is legit like 6 hanged mans to start

[lost vault]

a small wee. with time it shall grow

[heavy heron]

uh huh

[crystal skiff]

oh ok, ty, but arent face cards very useful ?

[lost vault]

:3

[dark cairn]

plus no face cards means ride the bus is free +mult scaling

[lost vault]

not rly

[calm furnace]

now i rgeret taking burger

[heady narwhal]

not really no

[calm furnace]

cant dig for 2s

[crystal skiff]

oh ok, ty

[lost vault]

yes you can

[dark cairn]

outside of ante 1 their only use is if you find jokers that use them

like photograph, business card, reserved parking

[heavy heron]

they are very useful but they’re also a trap sometimes, yknow? it’s easy to get in a bad habit of relying on them— now sure they can help you win a lot of the time but don’t get it wrong, you can win without face cards without a doubt

[calm furnace]

technichally yes

[heavy heron]

abandoned is amazing for that

[surreal spruce]

Face cards have their own synergies this is true but they aren’t like, make or break important since other cards also have synergies and now they’re more likely to become synergistic with how you play

[lost vault]

hallo gabe

[calm furnace]

might take chad here

[heavy solstice]

Should i take blueprint

[dark cairn]

do it

[heavy heron]

certainly take chad here

[lost vault]

face cards are dumb and gay and die to the plant

uwu

[olive basin]

Hello, skinkina

[surreal spruce]

Yes

[heavy solstice]

Not eternal or rental

So why not

[heavy heron]

everything has some kind of boss it’ll suffer a bit to

[surreal spruce]

No reason not too

[crystal skiff]

ohhh thats a great explanaition thank you, i was deciding between the abandoned and magic deck, which one do you think is better ?

[heavy heron]

but the more i play the game the more i realize

[heavy solstice]

In place of what

[heavy heron]

i shouldn’t avoid face cards just because plant exists

[dark cairn]

abandoned is far better imo

[surreal spruce]

Abandon is top 3 decks

[calm furnace]

i just wish burglar wasnt eternal

[heavy heron]

just like how i shouldn’t avoid pairs just because the needle/eye exists

[crystal skiff]

alr ty guys

[glad sequoia]

All the spam pair jokers

[surreal spruce]

He fixed is your deck

[heavy heron]

i personally find magic deck way more fun, but abandoned is good for winning

[surreal spruce]

How*

[glad sequoia]

Those are definitely two of my favorites

[surreal spruce]

Oh not very

[heavy solstice]

Not good

[surreal spruce]

Uhhh 2 options I see here

[heavy solstice]

Trying to make more hacks

Jacks

[surreal spruce]

Either you sell trading card and make more way for castle since that’s also a + mult source. Or sell castle and go all in on a big hand type you uber deck fix for

Imo it’s trading card

[heavy solstice]

i see the vision

[surreal spruce]

Since it gives you better utility of vega

[heavy solstice]

But is it really necessary

[unreal iron]

the eye:

[heavy heron]

on gold stake burglar is really just +1 discard

so

burglar is kinda an always take

[unreal iron]

how much are you scoring even

[heavy heron]

unless you have rebate or smth

[surreal spruce]

I mean it’s a free win. Vega campfire with 2 copy abilities

.5x a turn for free

[unreal iron]

not necessarily always take burger

what if its eternal rental like

or what if you rely on purple seals and discards and stuff

[heavy heron]

ok true but you prob shouldn’t ever take eternal rental

you can, sometimes

but

[olive basin]

He could copy vega and farm campfire

[surreal spruce]

Yes that is what I said

[heavy heron]

hence the “unless you have rebate or smth” yea

[calm furnace]

eternal rental madness is life

[nova elk]

up to what card value i should discard?

[lost vault]

vegabond

❤️

[surreal spruce]

Depends

[heavy solstice]

Man all the econ jokers show up exactly when i find vagabond convenient

[surreal spruce]

Vaga is an Econ jokerggs

[heavy heron]

what are you discarding for? (what hand type?)

[unreal iron]

end of round econ jokers >>>

cloud 9 and fix towards 9s

rahhhhh

holy synergy

[lost vault]

this is correct

vagabond is so mmnngghhhh~

what

[unreal iron]

i so agree

[somber whale]

What should I be looking for for this set up obvi Midas mask but what else?

[unreal iron]

spit yo shit indeed

[calm furnace]

my glass break rate today is 80% on first use

[lost vault]

yaaayy

this is flipping insane

[calm furnace]

less goo

[unreal iron]

i have that gif

[olive basin]

It kind of late for that

[lost vault]

me too :3

[somber whale]

For what Midas mask?

[olive basin]

Yes

[heavy heron]

ikr vagabond w my 1 in 22s for temperances

per hand

[somber whale]

Why

[heavy heron]

well that sent late

[olive basin]

You want to setup midas mask on ante 4? Scaling will-out pace you

[heavy heron]

i disagree

[olive basin]

It better to just win

[unreal iron]

never too late to take midas

[somber whale]

Bruh

[heavy heron]

ante 4 is not too late for midas

[somber whale]

“Just win”

[unreal iron]

unless its either an eternal or you dont have enough face cards

[heavy heron]

esp when they have a vampire already

[unreal iron]

MIDAS VAMP??

[heavy heron]

also you don’t “set up” for it you just kinda can take it when you see it

[unreal iron]

dude win

[heavy heron]

given they have pareidolia already

[unreal iron]

???

this is insane to pass on

[glad sequoia]

My two favorite jokers together! But ugh, really hard to run both at the same time lol

[unreal iron]

free vamp scaling

[somber whale]

So what should I be looking for rn?

Should I take smiley and photo

[heavy heron]

enhancements, really

[somber whale]

Yah

[heavy heron]

ahhh

lemme see

[unreal iron]

whats the screenshot?

im missing out hold on

[heavy heron]

well are you like

[heavy heron]

falling off?

how many flushes is it taking to win?

1? 2? 3?

[somber whale]

Like 3

[unreal iron]

what is this setup 💔

[heavy heron]

are you still going flushes

[calm furnace]

i think this is enough scaling

[heavy heron]

just to be clear

[unreal iron]

why do you have the order

[somber whale]

Yeah

[heavy heron]

or are you pivoting to straights

mmm

[heavy heron]

it’s holographic

[unreal iron]

MORE!!!

[unreal iron]

kill it with dagger

[heavy heron]

not good

show me your flush level

[somber whale]

Yeah Im scared

[somber whale]

Its 1

[heavy heron]

WHAT

OK WELL PHOTO IS USELESS

[unreal iron]

HUH

[heavy heron]

no it’s smiley face

100%

[calm furnace]

chat demandsa bigger wee

[heavy heron]

how much is your dagger?

[heavy heron]

this is important

[somber whale]

Im lowk new dont flame me

[heavy heron]

dw dw

[somber whale]

Dagger 12

[heavy heron]

okay dagger dies

smiley takes his place

the reason is because

you have vampire for x mult

you have scary face for chips

[somber whale]

I have to PRAY for Midas

[heavy heron]

you need flat mult

i think smiley face is good for that

[celest spade]

depends on the hand level

[heavy heron]

you’ll get 25 mult

[heavy heron]

they’re at 1

[somber whale]

1

[heavy heron]

as they said

[unreal iron]

1 uncommon out of 150 jokers btw

or well, 140

[olive basin]

If you don’t find that midas mask you will perish machine, however don’t be relying on this chance if you can’t find it.

[somber whale]

I’ll get it

[heavy heron]

if yo find it, good

if you don’t

[calm furnace]

more?

[heavy heron]

you can still win

focus on finding jupiters, but more importantly

[celest spade]

MORE!!!

[unreal iron]

as much as it can go

[heavy heron]

finding enhancements

you need to get that vampire

as high as possible

[somber whale]

Are there any other jokers good for enhancements?

[heavy heron]

but do balance your money

keep around

[unreal iron]

also loyalty card burglar is so yummy

[heavy heron]

$20 end of shop

[unreal iron]

i pulled it off once

[calm furnace]

i need a bigger dagger

[somber whale]

Ty

[heavy heron]

no i dont think so

you’re at the mercy of tarots

[celest spade]

besides the obvious midas mask, generally jokers that improve your economy or tarot generation are good

more money = more booster packs + more rerolls

[somber whale]

Ok I might come back lol

[heavy heron]

anything that gives you enhancements is worth considering here

i’m talking cartomancer, vagabond

hallucination

[somber whale]

I don’t think I have carto unlocked

[heavy heron]

you need to prioritize money though, don’t spend pointlessly looking for enhancements

because if you’re broke

you can’t find any enhancements

get your money to around $20 minimum

then start looking for more enhancements

[somber whale]

Ok ty for help

[heavy heron]

hierophants empresses anything like that

[celest spade]

fluh 🥀

[heavy heron]

WAIT

[glad sequoia]

Dang, feel like I just couldn't get a win but finally...

[heavy heron]

why did i tell you to sell the dagger and not the order

okay it’s fine

they’re on par anyway in terms of mult

[olive basin]

It all coming together.

[glad sequoia]

We're all mad here

[olive basin]

Mult chip xmult

Good econ

[calm furnace]

i need xmult 😭

[glad sequoia]

That's all ya need 😅

[olive basin]

Everything you require to win

[calm furnace]

oh wait

[glad sequoia]

I got a canio but madness was at 3.5x and I couldn't scale it enough in time

[nova elk]

how does it work?

[olive basin]

Reading the card explains the card

[acoustic kettle]

If you play 3 or fewer cards you get 20 mult

That's it

[glad sequoia]

+20 mult if played have contains 3 or fewer cards

[vale mesa]

if you play a hand with 3 or fewer cards +20 mult?
unscoring cards count

[celest spade]

if you select 4 or 5 cards and play the hand you don’t get the bonus

doesn’t matter if they score or not

[nova elk]

k

[vale mesa]

:/

[glad sequoia]

Really good joker

[calm furnace]

i always forget does order matter with baseball?

[celest spade]

balatro fans try not to make fun of new players challenge:

[calm furnace]

is there like an optimal order here?

[olive basin]

Kind of but not really

[glad sequoia]

It doesn't matter where it is. It essentially procks as if each uncommon were polychrome

[olive basin]

Joker trigger by baseball card still work the same left to right

[glad sequoia]

Dagger should be to left of burglar

[slow epoch]

My first e score!

[vale mesa]

gg

[calm furnace]

got lucky with baseball

my dagger was weak

[glad sequoia]

Just be careful not to cut off your wee

[calm furnace]

love dagger

dagger matador castle

those 3 are peak

[glad sequoia]

I can't tell if this is bait or not

[calm furnace]

dagger ties with pants for having the best mult per dollar value

on a best case scenario

but over a course of a run its one of the cheapest scaling jokers in the game

[small leaf]

I lost by 300 on ante 7 :(

[west stirrup]

Well, this is bullying! Of course, I understand that the casino always wins, but how is it that during the usual blind 8 ante I get 300k points, but how did I get to the boss, I was able to score only 68k out of 120

[calm furnace]

daggers biggest issue is that it becomes hard to scale when you have a good joker roster. you are kinda forced to play with -1 joker slot until you get it to a good amount

[vale mesa]

luck

[calm furnace]

sometimes the game loves to be funny and throws at you one great joker after the other when your dagger is not scaled

[meager root]

I find this so amusing

[olive basin]

Gambling

[olive basin]

What path will you choose?

[slow epoch]

What do I sell?

[calm furnace]

what do you have more

face cards or 1-4

[shell dagger]

either hack or sock depending on how many you have

[west stirrup]

[meager root]

Maybe baron mime because I have a lot of kings already and I want to play something different than photochad

[slow epoch]

I think I have more hack

[olive basin]

But negative hanging chad

[calm furnace]

imagine if they made dagger kill eternal cards that would be a hella of a buff

[west stirrup]

4 joker

[nova elk]

should I get rid of anything? (38$)

[shell dagger]

stop cropping

[surreal spruce]

Haiiii bestie

[calm furnace]

you kinda gave the right answer there 😭

[shell dagger]

halloo

[calm furnace]

i would sell to do list especially if it picked a hard to play hand

[glad sequoia]

Get rid of to do list

[olive basin]

He finally sees the truth

[north spindle]

isnt scary face a better sell there?

[scarlet sail]

First run of the day while practicing unseeded naneinfs, I feel blessed and obligated to do something stupid with this run

[calm furnace]

depends on planet levels. a source of chip is always good to have

[unreal iron]

blue joker copy lfg

[north spindle]

tdl is foil tho

[unreal iron]

oh BIG fyi here

[scarlet sail]

Always

[unreal iron]

youll be stuck with 9/8 jokers

if you do this

or well, 8/7

since youll sell blue

[scarlet sail]

Yeah I’m gonna wait til I get ecto and antimatter

[unreal iron]

so youre gonna need to sell 2 jokers later probably

[scarlet sail]

Not my first go around with a nat negative invis

[unreal iron]

didnt know

usually it gets people so confused

[scarlet sail]

Yeah its pretty weird, appreciate the looking out though

[north spindle]

i mean the thing is
foil is almost as good as scary face w 2 face card activations and also doesnt have boss problems

[olive basin]

That is an awesome pick up

This has great potential to soar even higher

[scarlet sail]

Depending on how vouchers line up I might try to take it ante 39, but my voucher luck lately has been rough

[neon mural]

Trying to do unseeded naneinf and I ran into the run killer. sad.

[unreal iron]

no luchador?

[neon mural]

nope already rolled down

[valid ether]

What should I kill

One chad right?

its 2 less lucky triggers tho im unsure

[neon mural]

you can always copy the chad?

[valid ether]

Oh.

Ur so right!

???

[scarlet sail]

Brutal, on the bright side at least it was more early game practice

[lost vault]

suhhnova

[neon mural]

yeah I got lucky with an early red seal and ancient carried me for a lot of the run

[obsidian patrol]

whats yo supernova at

either way you should kill a chad probanly

[valid ether]

Supernova is at 27

I killed a chad

Now the question is do i take a photo

I think maybe yes. I dont want to. But it would probably be good for my score

Cat is at 5.75

I fear I am too weak to drop supernova

I wish I had an ecto

[prisma jay]

Tragedy

[valid ether]

pain

[nova elk]

im about to win on my first deck

[valid ether]

I think Ill just photo instead of supernova and cry if its not enough

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[olive basin]

Shaw

[ancient gyro]

@fading dome typo

[valid ether]

It made me infinitely stronger

[serene forge]

[valid ether]

Who couldve guessed

[olive basin]

Sus shaw

[nova elk]

lol, won the last ante after only the first card was triggered

[neon mural]

Crazy early game start for naneinf lets see if I can get enough econ to rev up this engine

[fading dome]

Lol that typo is directly copied from Thunk's patch notes. Fixed, thanks!

[serene forge]

any good vouchers so far

[neon mural]

just seed money

[calm furnace]

straight flush pivot want on my menu today 😭

[ancient gyro]

damn i pinged the wrong dude 💔

[nova elk]

gg finally

first run completed

[slow epoch]

I don’t think I take it, right?

Perked is sorta the only good hit

[sonic mulch]

me whenb

[vocal matrix]

Nah, there is nothing you can get

Unless you want to pivot to Trib or smt

If you have a good score, you could sell a hack and try to get Perkeo

[meager root]

Baron mime brainstorm blueprint, what should I look for in the last slot? That isn’t legendary

[olive basin]

You can’t take it

[lost vault]

bungler maybe

or dna ??

[calm furnace]

i died to Vv 🙁

[meager root]

I’ve had dna for ages so doesn’t matter any more

[lost vault]

falsehood

dna gives u extra handsize

[meager root]

I got luchador as a placeholder

[lost vault]

tho… with 2 copiers itd only be 1

so troub would be better .-.

[calm furnace]

god im salty i was one lucky card activation from winning with straight flush

[meager root]

I have 3 double tags on ante 11 shall I skip for spectral packs and hope for a legendary joker

Worst case I can get red seals online

My scoring is e12

[calm furnace]

you can skip for arcana packs

[prisma jay]

ITS A DOUBLE RAINBOW 🤑

[calm furnace]

probably higher chance finding it there

soul card has same probability being in spectral or tarot pack

but skipped tarot packs are mega packs with 8 possible cards vs 2 possible cards from spectral skip

[valid ether]

This was fun

[slender creek]

i do have a really big deck

[valid ether]

gay nana

[meager root]

6.9e13 is the highest score I can get right now with no red seals

[prisma jay]

Gay michael

[meager root]

Can’t find a way to get red seals bruh

[stiff ore]

straight flush here i come

[serene forge]

can i ask why you took a negative skip when you had four open slots

on black deck

[stiff ore]

i always take a negative if i can get away with it lol

[serene forge]

we'll see about that

[ancient gyro]

this isnt true

spectrals can yield black holes in place of souls (arcanas can too with omen globen) and also has less card slots for all 3 of their unique spectral packs

[serene forge]

is the soul chance determined per card slot or per pack

I actually don't know

[devout reef]

Big pants

I also got this legendary Yorick joker up to x11

It seems pretty good

[versed nebula]

Black deck is the best option

[cloud sinew]

per card, which is true for both Soul and Black Hole, so packs with more cards (mega/jumbo > regular) have a higher chance

it isn't affected by blocking tarots/planet/other spectrals either

[pale wolf]

besides black hole

[cloud sinew]

what

[pale wolf]

black hole can be affected by another spectral by being replaced by it

[calm furnace]

?

[slow epoch]

Rip, I found the directors cut I just can’t read

[calm furnace]

"this chance is independently rolled for every card in the pack"

if i understood this right

[pale wolf]

per card, not per pack

[cloud sinew]

that's per card, and spectrals have fewer cards per pack that arcana packs of the same type

[pale wolf]

the rest of the sentence you highlighted

lmfao

[safe moat]

Hey all this was one of two runs today

[calm furnace]

did i say anything wrong? 😭 ?

[safe moat]

I had another one with a bunch of different ones

I was playing around trio

[cloud sinew]

yes. per pack Spectrals have lower odds as they have less cards, but per card in a pack they have the same odds.

[pale wolf]

not the same probability of it being in the pack, same probability per slot in each pack

i think you get it but just didnt word it

[safe moat]

I got like 8-10 new gold stickers today

[calm furnace]

the person asked if they should skip for spectral packs to get a soul

[pale wolf]

and the answer is no

[cloud sinew]

^

[calm furnace]

yeah ofc

[safe moat]

Don’t skip for soul unless you know

[calm furnace]

i replied saying that if they really want to do that its better to skip for tarot packs

[pale wolf]

dont skip unless its a seeded run

[eternal pumice]

[calm furnace]

i lost every run i had ante 1 legendary on

[safe moat]

Yeah

[calm furnace]

who would have guessed not having immediate strength is not good

[safe moat]

Nah you just ain’t good

Sorry bro

[cloud sinew]

you were incorrect in saying "mega packs with 8 possible cards" as well

[safe moat]

8?!!!

[calm furnace]

arent mega packs 8 cards?

[vale mesa]

what

[cloud sinew]

for arcana packs it's 5

[safe moat]

🫣

[vale mesa]

what game are you playing

[queen dock]

I don't remember if I sent this win

[cloud sinew]

8 cards would be insanely strong

[calm furnace]

oh its two picks out of 5?

[safe moat]

Oh that’s alright

[calm furnace]

never counted the packs when i open them i always assumed its 8

i guess because it costs 8$

[safe moat]

WHAT

bro

How much play time do you have

[calm furnace]

i dunno cannot count that on mobile

[ancient gyro]

the majority of this game is all about counting

[calm furnace]

on steam i have like 170 hours

[ancient gyro]

tf

[vale mesa]

HOW TF

[safe moat]

There’s no way

[cloud sinew]

a little insane to have that many hours and not know how many cards are in each pack

[calm furnace]

i aint counting cards when im looking for hermit

[queen dock]

My obelisk run where 5 flushes was my most played hand was so spooky still won tho.

[calm furnace]

or when im pressing skip to scale red card

[safe moat]

Uhm

So you press skip immediately in mega

[ancient gyro]

you just don't count period

play the game at 0.5x speed

[stiff ore]

i didnt regret taking it, i would have won if not for the violet vessel

[calm furnace]

game is nauseating on anything less than 4x

[queen dock]

Still won the boss blind despite having to play pair on last hand

[cloud sinew]

okay but you can visually see that there aren't more than 5...
people can basically instantly tell how many of something there is if it's between 1 and 5, it's called subitizing

[safe moat]

Do you have a gold stake win

[stiff ore]

the only thing i do regret taking was heiroglyph

would have given me one more hand to beat it

[calm furnace]

no 0 i only play endless baron 🥀

[safe moat]

😦

You should watch the doc play

[queen dock]

He's taking a vacation soon

[safe moat]

It’s actually so brain numbingly analytical

[calm furnace]

why am i getting shit for not counting right i got enough of that growing up 😭

[lost vault]

mega packs dont have 8 cards gng

[stiff ore]

my straight flush was giving 260 X 22 iirc

[ancient gyro]

game is nauseating when you're unable to have basic pattern recognition toddlers usually have

and I mean this in a literal sense

[safe moat]

Bro you’ve been playing the game for a pretty long time

[vale mesa]

recognizing 5 happens without counting lol

[ancient gyro]

im genuinely concerned about his real life optimizing patterns it's not even about the game anymore

[safe moat]

Yall were being too hard

[ancient gyro]

but I'm worried for him

[wintry ice]

videogame

[calm furnace]

i either assosicated the 8 because of the price or because the cards are spaced under the 8 playing cards

[terse vale]

whats good

wait what R we talking about

[cloud sinew]

pluh

[terse vale]

[calm furnace]

my counting skills

[terse vale]

they can’t be that bad

[cloud sinew]

someone has over 170 hours and thought mega arcana packs had 8 cards in them

[safe moat]

You got them on a discount man

[calm furnace]

bad enough that i tought mega packs had 9

[terse vale]

if you can tie your shoes in the morning then you can count

[terse vale]

[olive basin]

Smh

[terse vale]

its 5 and you can choose 2 lad

[vale mesa]

just like standard packs have 4 cards and jumbo packs have 6

[ancient gyro]

your parents are worried

[olive basin]

Foolishness machine, foolishness

[safe moat]

Is this bait

[ancient gyro]

we havent seen you since you went to school

please come back

[calm furnace]

also does the game not count fortune teller as scaling?

why can bro be perisheble

[terse vale]

which is honestly eeeehh for a 2 dollar increase in price

[safe moat]

Because it’s not when you grab him it’s overall

[cloud sinew]

because the rule isn't "scaling", it's "non-retroactively scaling*"

but really it's "non-retroactive positively scaling" and even then it still misses campfire/HTR

[ancient gyro]

im in favor of them being perishable immune

[queen dock]

I wish hit the road Jack worked like campfire

[safe moat]

What’s your highest score

[safe moat]

What

[calm furnace]

highest score as in what

[safe moat]

Bro

[cloud sinew]

the number shown in your stats as your highest score

[calm furnace]

best hand?

[queen dock]

I dislike it on gold Stake it's not worth most of the time if you can't build towards it

[calm furnace]

htr?

[cloud sinew]

yes

[lost vault]

hormone therapy replacement

[queen dock]

Hit the road yes

[terse vale]

to be fair thats a lot of jokers

[calm furnace]

on phone its e119

[safe moat]

I personally think it’s a take when it can be worked towards

[calm furnace]

htr suffers from -1 discard more than antyhing

[safe moat]

It’s usually worth it when you have a good source of xmult

[calm furnace]

but it working like campfire would be too strong

campfire got nerfed from 0.5x

[ancient gyro]

well it mainly suffers from the concept of needing to find your jacks first and using discards first to utilize its potential benefits

[safe moat]

It’s usually never that strong in an actual game

[calm furnace]

i would take 0.5x per blind over 0.25x per ante because it would be another campfire

[queen dock]

Drawing a jacks is 1 in 13 without deck fixing or adding cards

[safe moat]

Uh no

[full glade]

Does anyone else hate green deck

[safe moat]

nah it’s just different

[queen dock]

Per carded played or discarded yes it is

[safe moat]

no

It’s not

[cloud sinew]

it effectively is

[safe moat]

How

[calm furnace]

making jacks is not hard, its just you aint gonna do that starting any run in hopes of finding htr

[queen dock]

There's 13 cards in a suit

Only one jack per suit

[safe moat]

Its chances of being drawn go up and also down as the deck is used more

It fluctuates

[full glade]

Bro once i beat green deck goldstake im never playing it again

[safe moat]

Base deck it’s 1/13

[ancient gyro]

you see 8 cards initially and another 25-30. all of those cards have a 1 in 13 chance initially but it still averages out to that amount regardless of what ranks you see out of what you draw

[calm furnace]

its not that bad. wait till you play black deck

[cloud sinew]

one card every 13 cards drawn is a jack, on average, in a base deck of cards.

[queen dock]

Technically yes I guess but the odds are still low.

[ancient gyro]

its more of a matter of what are the odds you dont see a jack before your last 1-2 hands

[safe moat]

Why

[full glade]

I've heard black deck is bad but atleast its interesting, green deck just isnt fun to play

[calm furnace]

oh boy

[cloud sinew]

you need to be more specific in what you're asking

[full glade]

If you dont get good early jokers it g fucking gs

[safe moat]

Green deck you just spend your money

[calm furnace]

trust me green is alright

[safe moat]

Why does it average out

[calm furnace]

and it rewards clearing with one hand a lot

[ancient gyro]

consistency of drawing them, boss blind concerns, early game problems, and deck fixing support are sort of the 4 main problems htr has from it standing out to be a consistency scoring method

[queen dock]

The way I see it black deck is easy if you get lucky it only took me like two attempts to Gold stake black deck and I save that one for last

The one that took me the longest is probably painted because whenever I play painted I want to play straights

[calm furnace]

for straights abandonded is better

[queen dock]

Or maybe it was nebula

[ancient gyro]

the chances of seeing jacks when not drawing them don't increase or decrease on average when there's exactly 4 of each rank in an unfixed deck

[terse vale]

painted is also good for straights

[calm furnace]

it is good for all hands

[full glade]

I just hate green deck because you essentially pay for discards

[terse vale]

moreso the big ones since you can’t usually play those on other decks

[ancient gyro]

you're thinking of abandoned

[wary zodiac]

photochad in the buffoon pack

[calm furnace]

i usually go for 3oak or 4oak more than straights on painted

[terse vale]

and the slots don’t matter cus straights only need like 3 Xmult jokers
2 if they’re both 3x

[safe moat]

but wouldn’t it increase when more cards are removed during the round?

[cloud sinew]

because if you draw a jack your odds go down, and if you don't draw a jack your odds go up.
1/13 is the long run average

[ancient gyro]

when you draw a j-

[safe moat]

really

[ancient gyro]

what lilo said

[safe moat]

that’s so weird

[vale mesa]

ok in a standard deck of 54 cards
a jack is 4/54 on average

[cloud sinew]

what

[safe moat]

4/52

?

[vale mesa]

oop i meant 4/54

[safe moat]

He’s counting the joker cards

[calm furnace]

give us the opposite of strength to we can turn queens into jacks

[queen dock]

It rewards you better for one shooting

[terse vale]

weakness

also nah

[cloud sinew]

youre conflating the average odds of drawing a jack with the conditional probability that the next drawn card will be a jack.
the conditional probability goes above and below 1/13 depending on draws, but the average never changes as the odds of drawing a jack when you've already drawn jack(s) Vs the odds of drawing a jack when you haven't exactly cancel out to get 1/13 as the average

[olive basin]

Or lockin and get better at deck building

[vale mesa]

but the numbers are pseudorandom
totally an important point

[safe moat]

I got 51 cards left to sticker

[safe moat]

That’s so weird

[cloud sinew]

it's fairly intuitive to me

if the average was above 1/13 you would need more jacks in the deck or a smaller deck, if it were smaller than 1/13 you would need the opposite to be true.

[safe moat]

Never said it wasn’t

[calm furnace]

for best odds just play abandoned and stregthen the 10s to jacks

[safe moat]

Or play erratic?

[cloud sinew]

8/52 > 4/40

[safe moat]

Is it just me or is delayed grat hard to play with

[safe moat]

It’s actually 4/40

sorry

[calm furnace]

8?

[cloud sinew]

what

[safe moat]

OH SHIT

mb

[cloud sinew]

good god

[safe moat]

I simplified wrong I’m so sorry

[cloud sinew]

wdym you simplified wrong... you said "it's actually 4/40" when I said 4/40

[safe moat]

I meant that was bigger

I reduced to 1/5 idk how

[cloud sinew]

this is why you need to be specific

[safe moat]

I dont exactly need to not for this at least

For chemistry though I need to be more thorough

[lost vault]

its actually 1/10

[full glade]

This is taking the fucking mick as soon as i got a build that was good

[safe moat]

How is it good?

[full glade]

Its been the best ive gotten in fucking ages and i get this boss blind

[safe moat]

Hang on lemme gold stake a green deck rq

[full glade]

I hate green deck with all my heart

I had hope i might actually beat it with this and i get this stupid ass fucking boss blind

[cloud sinew]

did you consider selling Egg for more money to roll with

[full glade]

I just bought it before this boss blind

[safe moat]

Green deck gives you more money in the starting ante

[cloud sinew]

I find it hardly ever gets above yellow deck's economy by the end of A1

[full glade]

This might be the one lads

3oak is the way

[safe moat]

It’s still a lot more than any other deck

[wintry ice]

isn't it a net loss in lategame

[cloud sinew]

yes

once you're at $15+, green deck is almost always either neutral to other decks or worse off

definitely so if you need to use discards

[wintry ice]

specially with how strong scaling jokers and value generating enhancements are

[full glade]

Holy this has to be my ticket to winning green deck goldstake

[devout reef]

Why are you buying showman

[wintry ice]

just don't sell sly instead of showman

[pale wolf]

beep

[wintry ice]

bap

[cloud sinew]

mhm.
for example: spending a hand to score a lucky is +EV on other decks, but on green it's -EV

[olive basin]

Bop

[calm furnace]

why is earth not +3 😭

thunk an earth hater

[wintry ice]

would make mars obsolete

[olive basin]

Silly humans

[pale wolf]

I want full House to keep its current scaling but have just like way too many Jokers added next update

That would be silly

[safe moat]

Pair lobotomy

It may actually just make me lose all forms of economic

[olive basin]

He said two jokers would be added minimum

[cloud sinew]

They're both full house jokers

[pale wolf]

where

🦓

[wintry ice]

isn't there a new text color

[cloud sinew]

wild to me that there isn't a full-house specific joker* but straight flush has one
-# *TDL doesn't count, it covers every single hand

[pale wolf]

oh wow that's what's been taking so long 😭

[full glade]

What do i get rid of for thids

[pale wolf]

red maybe

[wooden idol]

trio

[wintry ice]

what's red card at

[full glade]

12 mult

[wintry ice]

trio gives plant coverage so it stays

[pale wolf]

so does Chad 🦓

yea red goes

[last path]

the magic deck gold stake run was so fucking stupid. money = yes, says the red card

[pale wolf]

is there a world where it's the Sly that goes instead

[cloud sinew]

yes

[pale wolf]

who's to say that's an accurate prediction

[safe moat]

Would obelisk pivot work like at all

[pale wolf]

localthunk isn't known for his predictions of the future

[safe moat]

I could build up the nova early while leveling up a different hand

[wintry ice]

supernova is an anti-synergy with it

[last path]

not that early i wouldn't say so

[wintry ice]

you're also too broke for rentals

[safe moat]

Ik

[safe moat]

It’s green

[olive basin]

You’re right there is no guarantee 🦓

[pale wolf]

even worse

[cloud sinew]

-$3 is still -$3

you also already have a rental

[safe moat]

Yeah this stinks

[olive basin]

Maybe we should just ask him about his prediction again

Actually no

I the judge of hell will wait for local thunk so he can lock in

[cloud sinew]

"somewhere between 1 and 50 jokers will be added"

[olive basin]

Really?

That be awesome

[cloud sinew]

2 is somewhere between 1 and 50

[tranquil steppe]

Ring a ling ling

[calm furnace]

rare full house run

throwback hard carry

[cloud sinew]

this was a two pair run you just didn't see the vision

[tranquil steppe]

That is certainly rare indeed. Nice stuff!

[calm furnace]

nah i saw a skip for 3 full house levels and just went with it

i actually wanted to do a 4oak build but the arm draineda ll my mars

[tranquil steppe]

Yep. You gotta play with what the game throws at you

[calm furnace]

then i found pants

[full glade]

Card sharp over sly?

[calm furnace]

i actually tried to play full houses a lot when i started balatro because its my fav poker hand but boy i learned its not the best choice

[tranquil steppe]

And then needle shows up

[calm furnace]

earth really should be +3mult +25 chips i swear to god

[tranquil steppe]

Yea it’s probably one of the hardest to play next to straight flushes

[jolly relic]

economy 🥰

[calm furnace]

yep and by hand fixing for it you better play the more consistent 3oak (which almost sacles the same) or just go for 4oak

[tranquil steppe]

And you have some negs coming up nice

[jolly relic]

oh yes

they were trash

well

odd todd is nice i suppose

its SOME score

[cloud sinew]

which would make it take 4oak's place in the meta, with even easier fixing and is able to be drawn way more consistently in a base deck.
the fix for full house imo is to make it have more jokers like Flushes rn instead of making it scale faster inherently

[royal ore]

thanks

[tranquil steppe]

He might help carry you closer to victory

[jolly relic]

omg

[cloud sinew]

"go for 4oak" with only 5 chips faster scaling than the proposed earth scaling but harder deckfixing and is harder to draw in a base deck

[tranquil steppe]

Stop being so negative gosh

[full glade]

I shouldve taken card sharp bro im so angrey

That was my only fucking chance of winning

[jolly relic]

omg wow a baron do i delete all my jokers for it

[calm furnace]

easier deck fixing yes, but with deck fixing its more consistent to draw 4oak

[full glade]

IM SO FUCKIJNG ANGRY BRO

[drowsy tapir]

"Obelisk is a bad joker" to be fair this win was so free lmao

[jolly relic]

angry bird

[full glade]

Thats right

Im never beating green deck goldstake

[jolly relic]

are you as angry as the red one or the other one

[full glade]

Probably the red one

[royal ore]

obelisk is peak if you can get good circumstances for it

[calm furnace]

i havent seen steel joker in ages

[cloud sinew]

what...?
Full House is easier to deckfix for and is easier to draw in a base deck, which means the only way 4oak will be easier to draw is if you've specifically fixed for 4oak exclusively by going towards one rank instead of multiple

[drowsy tapir]

Truue. I got lucky with it being foil because my chips we're lacking

[full glade]

I hate green deck why do you have to pay for discards breo

[safe moat]

Flush has so many jokers that make it a hand to play

[ancient gyro]

me when im literal 💔

[royal ore]

the triple delgrat and it somehow works??

[calm furnace]

its easier to just death into one card and stack it and draw from it than it is to stack 2 cards and consistently draw them

same reason why flush five is preferred over flush house

[jolly relic]

hmmm

[calm furnace]

also it would be weird to have joker specific to full house when full house is a combination of 2 pair and 3oak

[jolly relic]

do i take a brainstorm or keep my showman for another delayed gratification

[cloud sinew]

no it isn't, because of strength working better for full houses than 4oak.
also flush five is only preferred in endless, flush house is better in ante 8 because of easier fixability and faster scaling

[calm furnace]

full house already has a lot of synergy it works with pants, it works with anything that works with pairs and anything that works with 3oak

[royal ore]

take a brainstorm so you can get another bull

[jolly relic]

okay 😔😔

[royal ore]

like the chip increase is gonna be crazy trust

[unborn cliff]

balatrodle is some fucking dogshit today man

[unborn cliff]

thumbs down