🕹・game-discussion

[dusty goblet]

cant make this shit up

but fuck it we ball

[lost vault]

ineed to stop consuming so many cheesits

this cannot be good for me

[serene forge]

best hit

gg

[lost vault]

genuinely best hit lmao

shit on chicot ifu like

[serene forge]

like literally nothing else helps

[lost vault]

but

the others would be miles worse than chad

[last geyser]

Should I ankh ancient joker ?

[lost vault]

deadahh

like no way in hell canio or yorick are scaling to 64x

[warped moth]

I'VE BEEN SAYING THIS!!!
Painted Deck gets a lot of shit for -1 joker slot, but saturn scaling is, by itself, equivalent to a +3 scaling mult (typically very powerful scaling) joker and a strong chips joker!

[manic zealot]

that is a very good point

they are much more viable on that deck

[warped moth]

I love painted deck

[lost vault]

sure :3

[manic zealot]

yes

[last geyser]

Thanks

[lost vault]

idk if its the right play

but its funny

[last geyser]

Thanks

[lost vault]

:3

[manic zealot]

ancient is amazing it is the right play

pivot to flushes

[lost vault]

yrue

[edgy totem]

gaming

[lost vault]

and chad is r*ntal

[manic zealot]

negative giganana

[lost vault]

we get another chad later trust the process

[last geyser]

Omfg

[lost vault]

.-.

[manic zealot]

oh no

[last geyser]

🫠

[lost vault]

u can avoid that brotato chips

just skip a blind

[manic zealot]

you have to pay attention to that ahead of time and skip accordingly

yeah

[last geyser]

Yeah I was moving too fast 😅

[manic zealot]

my biggest flaw as a player is playing too fast lol

[slow epoch]

Oh my god what do

[last geyser]

Holy

[slow epoch]

On the one hand, trib
On the other, chicot

[manic zealot]

uhhh sell oops and pray for a trib?

no no

sell one bloodstone

[last geyser]

Sell perkeo for perkeo

[slow epoch]

Ok one bloodstone

[manic zealot]

yes

[slow epoch]

Twas chicot

[manic zealot]

just pray to rng god

aww

[slow epoch]

Unfortunately

[last geyser]

Rip

[slow epoch]

Rip

Seed is

AGYZ7WI9

Uhh tips if anyone plays it, don’t take the ante 11 soul, it will kill you

Also I didn’t take any hieroglyphs

[last geyser]

Decent start

[dusty goblet]

JUGJDWD9- seed code for two triboulet + brainstorm

[terse vale]

ahem well

I can’t get rid of campfire no way

so no cavendish for me

[warped moth]

I'd say goodbye michel yea

Buuut also try getting gold cards or smth

You'll need a ton of econ for both campfire and constellation

[last geyser]

And I died 🫠

I hate painted deck

I failed so many attempts for gold stake

[serene forge]

hold r

[dark cairn]

idk how but every run ive had perkeo ive died

[serene forge]

ante 1 rental probably didn't help

[manic zealot]

perkeo is a bit tricky to work around espeically under pressure

[last geyser]

Yeah 😅

[serene forge]

i think you should have just picked that supernova

[dark cairn]

i usually just use him to copy hermits or planet cards if i cant think of anything better to do

havent had a good chance to use him to copy seal cards or anything fancy like that :/

cause every run where ive gotten him has been rather barren

[serene forge]

hermit/temperance is often the most worthwhile thing to do

death can also be good

[dark cairn]

well thats green deck green stake done

[serene forge]

it depends on what you're trying to do

[dark cairn]

winning hand was 5.6 billion score lmao

im sure once i get to the higher stakes ill be back to raging again though 😭

[serene forge]

I hate Green Deck

[dark cairn]

i do think green deck has the potential to be a really cool deck

literally just make seed money re-enable interest for it and it'll be fine 😒

[slow epoch]

Should I press alt f4 on my phones keyboard as well?

[serene forge]

yes

[dark cairn]

i like the idea of getting an extra dollar per unused hand/discard but like

outside of ante 1 and 2 how is that supposed to make up for not having interest

especially when on higher stakes youre usually wanting to use all your hands and discards anyway

feel like the only time itd be actually useful is if you get a burglar

but then if i try taking a burglar ill just run into the eye on ante 7

[last geyser]

What’s the play here ?

[manic zealot]

chad

[last geyser]

Alright thanks

[serene forge]

I don't think i would take gluttonous even if it wasn't rental

[last geyser]

But why?

[serene forge]

because it's not very useful to begin with

chad is

[last geyser]

Oh ok

Ahhhh I died again

Why is painted deck so hard 😥

[wheat imp]

I want to make my own multiplayer card game, do y'all have any ideas?

[ancient gyro]

balatro

[wheat imp]

I want it to be similar to poker but more complicated, but I also don't want it to be like bridge or balatro

balatro's great, but I've already made the a third of the cards for it and now I want to do something else.

[ancient gyro]

jolly debt arc

[dim ingot]

Is there a planet card that isn’t seen in packs, or something?

[ancient gyro]

the three secret hands

[dim ingot]

Also, I just had a negative Egg that was actually pretty important to my build somehow

[dim ingot]

The impossible ones?

Well, Poker impossible

[ancient gyro]

the ones not listed in actual poker

yeah

[dim ingot]

Can I only get that planet card from a blue seal?

[ancient gyro]

until you play the hand in the run

[dim ingot]

Ah

I don’t know which hand I’m missing, XD

I know 5 of a Kind and Flush House

[ancient gyro]

flush 5

[dim ingot]

Which is that?

[ancient gyro]

5 cards of the same rank and suit

[tranquil steppe]

Oh. I thought painted was easy

[ancient gyro]

its not

[dim ingot]

Ah, so a more intense 5 of a Kind

[ancient gyro]

on average

[dim ingot]

Probably easiest to get that one with the Two-Suit deck

Thanks!

[ancient gyro]

its thematically supposed to be the most difficult hand to get online on average

for higher stakes

[last geyser]

I’m struggling on it 😅

[dim ingot]

Makes sense, the Spectre card that turns my whole hand into the same Rank will probably be important

[tranquil steppe]

You’ll get there! The bigger hand size is nice

[dim ingot]

I only used that deck to get the 4 Joker unlock, haven’t touched it since, haha

[ancient gyro]

not really, ouija makes larger hands harder to discard and draw

[dim ingot]

I mean that in the Two Suit deck, it’s likely to make a huge swath of my deck the same card

I’ll spend most of the runs culling one of the Suits

[dim ingot]

I love the Joker that spits out pairs of commons

If I get it early enough, I can save up my money longer

I’m always hungry to try to break that ‘Every Card is a Face’ joker

[last geyser]

The other stakes weren’t too bad but gold feels really hard 😭

[quaint stag]

new highscore :D

[last geyser]

Nice

[bold lion]

holy

is this even possible

[dim ingot]

Ante 16 needs e20 scores

[bold lion]

what

[last geyser]

My high score was ante 24

[bold lion]

i can't even reach 1m

[dim ingot]

Look in Collection, in the Blinds section. Lower left.

[bold lion]

😭

[quaint stag]

two barons (1 from invis joker)
blueprint
mime
swash (he just there because he there)
dna

[dim ingot]

Took me a while to break 1m, and then one game a hand made 10m all of a sudden

[quaint stag]

the invis joker i got was negative so for a bit i had 6/5 jokers

[dim ingot]

Negative Egg

[last geyser]

Holy

W

[quaint stag]

ty lol

i also generally got extremely lucky by getting overstock and overstock plus back to back

[dim ingot]

In Collection, I’m missing the tag on the bottom row, 2nd from the left. Could someone tell me which one it is? During runs, I must assume I already took it before

[last geyser]

This one ?

[dim ingot]

Huh. I really never took that one?

Thanks!

I’m only missing 5 Jokers, 3 of which I just need to find in a run. Missing 1 deck, 1 planet, and 1 tag. Got everything else!

[last geyser]

Nice

Goodluck!

[dim ingot]

Ran into that tag immediately, yay!

[rocky canopy]

The composer of Balatro has got to be the luckiest game composer in the world

"How many songs do you need?"

"Oh, just one."

[dim ingot]

Haha!

Got the Flush 5 planet, with the Two-Suit deck, and the Spectre card that turned a bunch of cards into Jacks!

[ancient gyro]

fun

[dim ingot]

And you said that Spectre would make it harder

[bold lion]

pure luck

[twilit hedge]

First time seeing negative castle

[dim ingot]

Negative version of the pure red card is funny, too

[ancient gyro]

its harder to consistently play bigger hands for its specific niche in higher stakes

[dim ingot]

I’m doing white stake for unlocks

[ancient gyro]

i never said anything about unlocks

[last geyser]

Looks so cool

[lavish plinth]

i started my first ever balatro save at 8:41pm last night and i achieved THIS at like 11 o clock this morning (thank you @azure heart 4 letting me use ur laptop ily)

i also got 4 soul cards in the span of like 15 hours ,, my first ever time playing

[lost vault]

balato

[lavish plinth]

am i goated lads

[lost vault]

no

:3

just lucky

[lavish plinth]

:( i think i did pretty good and played pretty strategic my first few runs

[lost vault]

im just going based on that schreenshot

;p

[lavish plinth]

fair

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 3

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 3

[last geyser]

Nice

[honest dawn]

It's incredible that both of my naneinfs were affected by the bean bug.

[pale wolf]

balatrodle in 3
||clearest glass joker ive ever seen||

[honest dawn]

I don't understand why they send those photos

[pale wolf]

to see the process

[lost vault]

balaort

[wanton loom]

oh hi

[zinc hawk]

does baseball card for first before cavendish?

[pale wolf]

negative golo

[tulip field]

How does one win with high card (i’m trying to get good at game)

[pale wolf]

baseball card treats uncommons like they have polychrome themselves, and then its own polychrome triggers on itself

[pale wolf]

high card isnt generally the winning game plan

[nova matrix]

Bloodstone no oops

[pale wolf]

pairs are

[zinc hawk]

is it better to have the blueprint on baseball card then?

i can never tell

tbhtbh

[pale wolf]

basically, spam hands that do enough to win the rounds when combined together and have scaling jokers to supplement your score and increase

[tulip field]

okay well what jokers are good with pairs? Right now ngl all i’m tryna find are synergies with certain builds idk what wins with what hand

[pale wolf]

you have 2 uncommons so 3x is more than 1.5^2

copying cav is correct

[zinc hawk]

bet

ty

[pale wolf]

barring extreme chip disparity

[tulip field]

like full houses for example

[pale wolf]

if your bull is over 3x your base chips+card chips then you copy bull

or uh, is over 2x

no, 3x

:^)

[lapis blade]

i love negative skip tags

[ancient gyro]

||it never stood out to me that const is cheaper than holo it makes sense now||

[ancient gyro]

2.25x 🤓☝️

[brazen island]

I refuse to believe that

[tulip field]

i’m learnding :D

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[lunar zealot]

Iiiiiiiiiiii have returned from my slumber

[spice glen]

Tmw you finally manage to beat ghost deck gold stake with a very average deck

[hallow grotto]

Wheel lost but its fine

[shell dagger]

Old message but no

The copied bull is less than 2x always

On non plasma

[pale wolf]

hmmm

truth

💀

trust the fancy name colors

they are always correct

[shell dagger]

As a lowly white role i have been silenced

[pale wolf]

oh how the fist raises

oh how the gratification delays

[signal frigate]

I need that Blue Stake rework now because Black Deck Gold Stake is genuine pain

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[bronze linden]

balatro is fun

and it is good too

which is nice

[signal frigate]

It's a great game

Rn I'm cursing it

But I like the game

[lunar zealot]

This feels classist

[pale wolf]

[lunar zealot]

i did not see what you deleted

[pale wolf]

hi kami

[signal frigate]

I always thought you two....

[modern panther]

Something just doesn't belong here...

[pale wolf]

EW

[modern panther]

But, please tell me how this happened

[pale wolf]

showman

[modern panther]

He doesn't have showman

[modern panther]

And he only has base overstock

[pale wolf]

1. could be 4 shop slots and sold showman for something
2. showman bug exists, where replacing a copy of something with its duplicated showman one in shop will allow copies of it even after getting rid of showman

[signal frigate]

You mean how he got that many copies?

[lunar zealot]

?

[signal frigate]

Nothin

[lunar zealot]

What did he send.

[signal frigate]

Don't worry bout it

[fervent wolf]

Reposting bc idk what else to even put here lol

[lunar zealot]

TELL MEEEEE

[signal frigate]

Is that a ramen??

[signal frigate]

Nah, it's fine.

[lunar zealot]

TEEEEELLLLLLL MEEEEEE

[fervent wolf]

Where at

But there is none

[signal frigate]

Behind the you win screen, it's either parking or ramen

[lunar zealot]

RAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

[fervent wolf]

Now you know how I feel!

[lunar zealot]

RAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH

RAAAAAAAAAHHHH

RAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

[signal frigate]

I'm tryna test to see if I play the game too much

[lunar zealot]

RAAAAAAHHHHHH

[fervent wolf]

Neither

[signal frigate]

Damn editions messing up my flow

[pale wolf]

The Tribe, mf

spent too long looking thru joker list to rember which name fit the meme

[signal frigate]

Oh okay

[pale wolf]

satellite mf

[signal frigate]

The only jokers I barely remember are the commons

Not the stronger ones

I remember those

[pale wolf]

i know them but thinking of rhymes rn im not too sharp

[signal frigate]

Like a card

[fervent wolf]

Old win

[brave fox]

Right when I wanna commit to the red card the game throws shite like this my way 🫠

[serene forge]

skip

black hole is cringe

also you're not committing to red card you have a photochad right there

[hybrid tendon]

bruh

[brave fox]

I just feel like using the red card is all, it needs alil chip on it

Probably should just skip tho

[unborn onyx]

NIICE

you got really lucky with the trib there'

grla for ya

i wanna get the 400 dollars joker

no idea how

is double jimbo op???

waiit

[hard mantle]

time to attempt green stakes once more

[umbral pollen]

Freaky Ass Win

[dark cairn]

burglar + space joker is an insane combo ngl

if i get an oa6 its gonna go crazy (until the game inevitably spawns The Eye)

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[hard mantle]

actually yeah, burg is prolly really good for income

we dont have an income card yet, but this is a decent enough array of jokers

[shadow shore]

What is this jimbo

[verbal fjord]

how do i get out of this

[shadow shore]

Cant relate dawg ecto to ankh

[hard mantle]

might have just uh

ruined yourself lol

[shadow shore]

Install mods to cheat

[verbal fjord]

invis

[shadow shore]

Sheeeit i need it

[hard mantle]

yk what

its ante 4 and i dont see this run going anywhere

im restarting

[shadow shore]

Looks like i got myself invis joker run lol

[unborn onyx]

guulp4

[hard mantle]

okay so

i have a feeling throwback sucks ass

[quartz ember]

it kinda does

[hard mantle]

"intentionally kneecap yourself for worse scaling than constellation"

[quartz ember]

you basically only take it in the rare case that you skipped twice at some point of the run for "some" reason

[hard mantle]

i guess its time to see if we like obelisk?

[velvet python]

There’s a lot of jokers that I feel are weaker than they should be and as a rare joke I feel that’s sad cuz your never using them

[hard mantle]

okay wait question abt obelisk

[serene forge]

ew

[signal frigate]

Why'd you go for Baron?

[hard mantle]

if your most played hand is tied for first, can you just not play either of those hands?

[velvet python]

You don’t go for baron baron goes for you

[signal frigate]

Kill that Throwback, I don't like it.

[velvet python]

That damn smirk

[velvet python]

I’m pretty sure yeah

[hard mantle]

like if high card and pair are both at 1, you're just unable to play them?

[velvet python]

Yes

[hard mantle]

it seems like obelisk is designed to force you to reset your mult at some point

do people really like this card...?

[quartz ember]

yes, luvkily rare jokers rarely are bad

[quartz ember]

no

it is designed so that you keep it from resetting

[velvet python]

He’s saying it makes you run outta hands forcing the reset

[hard mantle]

she

[quartz ember]

fastest scaling xmult in the game deserves to be difficult to use

[velvet python]

Oh im so sorry

[quartz ember]

well, it doesnt

[verbal fjord]

was gonna try to get mime after ante 8, my deck had like 10 kings and a few queens and jacks

[hard mantle]

its not the difficulty, its the "i dont understand the cards wording" but also you lowkey are kinda bad at wording so plz dont try

found an explanation on the reddit

[quartz ember]

ah, yes, it is definitely an annoying joker in that regard

[hard mantle]

my response is "im just resetting"

coz this isnt worth it to me

[signal frigate]

Unrelated but I like your pfp, idk why

[hard mantle]

ty ^^

[signal frigate]

Anyways, what was the wording thing?

[quartz ember]

quite fair, if unfortunate

[hard mantle]

ill have to use it at some point when i eventually try to gold stake every card but

for now? i just dont wanna

i HATE micromanagement

[velvet python]

Ig there’s worse jokers

[graceful oasis]

for any c++ completers, as you neared the end was it easier to just continue playing as normal or to gear your builds towards the jokers you still need? Seems like youre trading winrate for when it hits it REALLY hits kind of thing

[signal frigate]

What are we talking about?

[signal frigate]

Oh obelisk

I admit, it's a little tricky to use but it's a good joker

[quartz ember]

it should definitely be easiest to just play normal

[signal frigate]

It scales abnormally fast despite getting nerfed twice

[hard mantle]

i imagine its a better joker if its not the literal first joker you pull

[signal frigate]

It can actually keep with with the 2 best legendaries

[quartz ember]

(unless you have some very easy jokers left, but thats kinda probably not the case)

[hard mantle]

where you basically have to carry it around as dead weight until you build up enough of a most played hand

[pale wolf]

obelisk is the best uncommon joker.

[signal frigate]

It is a good joker though, the way you should use it is to spam one hand that you're gonna be pivoting out later

[pale wolf]

*ahem

[velvet python]

Oh here we go

[hard mantle]

i am so fucking depressed

[graceful oasis]

obelisk is rare

[signal frigate]

It should also be an easy hand to not accidentally draw

[hard mantle]

i dont have the 4 dollars required

[quartz ember]

thats pretty optimal time, tho its best at ante 2 I'd say

[pale wolf]

obelisk is the best rare joker based on a dark stone object

[velvet python]

Obelisk is the best rare joker based on a stone sculpture with purple engravings

[hard mantle]

i was kinda expecting this to suck but

no its doing decently

[hard mantle]

obelisk is the best joker named obelisk

[graceful oasis]

debatable

[velvet python]

Was gonna say

What about obelisk with polychrome

Still named obelisk

[signal frigate]

That's one of my favorites

[velvet python]

Obelisk without modifier is the best joker named obelisk

[signal frigate]

Obelisk has the "skill issue" problem

[velvet python]

F11

[signal frigate]

It easily deceives players into thinking it's bad

Because they just don't know how to use it

I'm guilty of that but I'm really trying to make it work

[velvet python]

So uh how’s the past

What’s 2025 like

[hard mantle]

cannot complain

[velvet python]

Gimme sum jokers u wish would get reworked

[signal frigate]

Matador is a guaranteed one, it absolutely needs a rework

That joker confuses me

[velvet python]

Castle

[wintry ice]

why castle

it's design is fine

[signal frigate]

Castle's fine the way it is

It's actually pretty strong, I underestimated it

If only Wee wasn't so rare

[tropic umbra]

obelisk should work like grimbo instead of resetting

[signal frigate]

I'd use it way more

[quartz ember]

the only problem with stm is consistency so if you can get the queens its quite fine

[wintry ice]

no

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[signal frigate]

I would be into that? But you don't understand how goddamn strong this joker is

[velvet python]

Underpowered

[tropic umbra]

-1 xmult per played hand that is most

[serene forge]

bloodstone should get reworked to literally anything else

[serene forge]

castle is fine

[quartz ember]

what

[atomic hound]

If I get a perishable turtle bean, will it debuff before it gets destroyed by its own ability (trying to finish c++)

[wintry ice]

it already pretty much always rivals stuntman's chip generation

[tropic umbra]

or like -0.6

[serene forge]

nope it just dies

[wintry ice]

that's more than enough

[signal frigate]

It also just gives you the mult straight up

[velvet python]

Campfire

[atomic hound]

💀

[wintry ice]

so nothing about how you play it changes

[signal frigate]

You absolutely don't know what you're talking about

[hard mantle]

uh

interesting

[tropic umbra]

as long as you lose more than you gain ot should be fine

[wintry ice]

already a strong and consistent option for xmult

[velvet python]

Bloodstone just has a secret line of description like ; the odds for hitting are actually 1 in 10

[serene forge]

i feel like you'd still be screwed anyways if you've gotten to that point

[tropic umbra]

no campfire has been a run saver

[signal frigate]

Campfire's fine, I love Campfire

[velvet python]

Nah I get so mad

[wintry ice]

but what is the point of changing a joker if the change just doesn't matter

[tropic umbra]

campfire + cartomancer

[hard mantle]

canio is actually like

[tropic umbra]

it does actually?????????

[wintry ice]

is this about rare tags

[hard mantle]

not really useful for my build in the slightest

LMFAO

[serene forge]

I love Campfire

[signal frigate]

Literally any joker that generates either another joker or a consumable

[wintry ice]

you still would rather play random hands

[tropic umbra]

resetting and subtracting xmult are different

[velvet python]

No I just think like coulda been anything else

[hard mantle]

sold canio, he wont help

[flint birch]

yo chat it's gambling o'clock

[wintry ice]

but the way you play it is the same regardless

[flint birch]

this game is so addictive

[shadow shore]

Last 2 jokers i need to get

[signal frigate]

The playstyle doesn't change, you're just making it stronger

[tropic umbra]

it's less punishing and more deserving of being rare

[wintry ice]

the effect fits the joker

[signal frigate]

That's not a rework

That's a buff

[velvet python]

I’ll give u that one

[tropic umbra]

is a buff not a rework

[quartz ember]

it is plenty deserving of rare

[signal frigate]

But aren't we talking about reworking jokers?

[wintry ice]

it already changes your decision making after buying enough for it to be a rare

[lunar zealot]

We gotta rework yorick

[signal frigate]

We still talking about Obelisk?

Cuz it absolutely deserved it's rarity

[lunar zealot]

like i will fucking die on this hill

[quartz ember]

rare =/= strongest

[lunar zealot]

i don't hate yorick

[wintry ice]

rarity isn't exclusively proportional to power

[lunar zealot]

i just hate how unengaging it is

[shadow shore]

Early game obelisk is so bad

[signal frigate]

It's themed correctly, I think it's fine

[tropic umbra]

obelisk is a never take for me

[lunar zealot]

It's really not

[wintry ice]

it's more about how complex a joker it and how much it changes your decisions for the rest of the run

[velvet python]

We talking about jokers that need a rework

[shadow shore]

Mid game its good

[lunar zealot]

yorick is a free win the way every other joker is not

[signal frigate]

I almost always die when I take it but I love trying to make it work

[lunar zealot]

and that translates poorly to a roguelike

[quartz ember]

thats fair as long as you know its strong if you use it correctly

[tropic umbra]

waste of a joker slot for me personally I can't switch up hand types

[lunar zealot]

from game design alone yorick should be changed

[velvet python]

Also im saying Matador and MY 8 Ball (never hits I swear)

[lunar zealot]

let alone how unfun it is to use

[shadow shore]

If only obelisk didnt reset

[wintry ice]

do you frequently deny chip generators

[signal frigate]

8ball is supremely inconsistent

[tropic umbra]

alas poor yorick 23 years he lay in the earth or something like that

[shadow shore]

1 in 4 = never in this game

[tropic umbra]

i take wee

[lunar zealot]

I can see nobody truly sees what i see about yorick

[wintry ice]

so that's why you don't like obelisk

[signal frigate]

My favorite tarot generator is Hallucination

[wintry ice]

you exclusively rely on planets for chips

instead of taking what you can get

[signal frigate]

The value of this joker is surprisingly alot

[velvet python]

Why is nobody jumping on the matador hate 😔

[wintry ice]

halu is fun

everyone dislikes how inconsistent matador's description is

[signal frigate]

It's just meh

It's a nothing burger joker for me

It's confusing at most

[tropic umbra]

give me one good scaling chip joker

[signal frigate]

Hilariously strong in ONE specific situation

[wintry ice]

all besides stone

[velvet python]

Uh

Wee

[tropic umbra]

not that I don't believe there are any

[signal frigate]

Then you just sell it.

[wintry ice]

what's your argument here

[velvet python]

Wee

[tropic umbra]

I can't think of one at the moment

[velvet python]

Wee

[quartz ember]

wee, square, runner, castle

oh wait

[signal frigate]

Wee, Castle, Runner

[quartz ember]

all scaling chip jokers

[signal frigate]

Blue Joker can count as one

[tropic umbra]

runner isn't good for any not straight build

[wintry ice]

chips are scarce

[velvet python]

Nah square is legit bad

[signal frigate]

Chips are scarce for a reason

[velvet python]

Like actually bad

[signal frigate]

If there's alot of them

[quartz ember]

no

[wintry ice]

that's literally the opposite of how it is

[signal frigate]

We end up with an even bigger number

[velvet python]

It is

[tropic umbra]

runner is bad for straights???

[wintry ice]

runner doesn't matter much for straights because straights have +30 chip scaling

[signal frigate]

Out of curiosity, I'm interested to know how your runs usually goes

[quartz ember]

ok sure but then all the other chip scalers are too

[signal frigate]

Runner is not a straight joker funnily enough

[wintry ice]

it's better for pairs because their chip scaling is weaker

[signal frigate]

You just scale it using straights

[wintry ice]

why do so many people have so much confidence about their claims

[tropic umbra]

most of the time it ends in a loss and I haven't beat purple stake but

[signal frigate]

That's not gonna be your main source of scoring

[velvet python]

No because wee is definitely good we know that so is runner i would argue castle isn’t good either but it’s not as bad as square

[signal frigate]

That makes more sense now.

[quartz ember]

because the others scale at the same rate

[void quartz]

the Golden hand 😱

[wintry ice]

the pickiness may be a factor

[quartz ember]

yes wee is better than the others

[hard mantle]

runs dead

[signal frigate]

Wee is an absurdly strong chip joker, we ain't denying that

[hard mantle]

even if i continued, itd die sooner rather than later

[wintry ice]

square has a constant floor

and chip sources are scarce anyways

[tropic umbra]

i don't take scaling jokers that don't fit the build

[signal frigate]

Square is weaker than the rest but it's still not bad

[velvet python]

And it’s a bad one

[wintry ice]

then why don't you take any chip jokers?

[signal frigate]

If you rely too much on synergy then you're not gonna win alot of runs

[quartz ember]

have you even used it

[void quartz]

is wee joker the one that gains 2 chips for each 2 scored?

[signal frigate]

Synergy isn't everything

[tropic umbra]

i do take them if they fit the build

[velvet python]

I’ve desperately tried

[wintry ice]

what's the thought process that leads to this stance

[signal frigate]

Yeah, 8 for each and you can retrigger it, one retrigger is 16 per 2's

[wintry ice]

like what do you lose out on when you take it

[tropic umbra]

something like square on what was supposed to be a pair run but I can't find a planet so now it's flush has no value

[wintry ice]

how does it stack up to other jokers of it's niche

[tropic umbra]

money

[signal frigate]

There's also Hiker

I love Hiker

[tropic umbra]

i can't build econ well

[signal frigate]

Even though it's probably the worst chip joker in the game??

[quartz ember]

like, square gets you 150 chips which is 2x in ante 8, thats all you need for a joker to be good

[tropic umbra]

always take for me

[velvet python]

It’s so janky and confining to build your run on a square joker that does seemingly little in comparison to the other scaling jokers

[wintry ice]

a chip joker definitely isn't useful when you don't see planets

[signal frigate]

How does this get a pass but fuckin Runner doesn't??

[void quartz]

insane hack, pareidolia and sock synergy for building up chips

[velvet python]

BUT NOT RUNNER ?

[void quartz]

Or just hack n any copying joker 😭

[tropic umbra]

because it scales always, it's good temporarily

[wintry ice]

it's floor is the same as runner, castle and wee

[signal frigate]

I love Hiker but it's WAY too inconsistent compared to something like Castle

[wintry ice]

the others just have a higher ceiling

[hard mantle]

chat do i give up for today or do i try one more time at green stake

[velvet python]

And that’s what sets them apart no ?

[wintry ice]

and the alleged "jankiness" doesn't matter when most builds converge to small hands

[tropic umbra]

hiker is always take in the early game

[tropic umbra]

let me explain

[void quartz]

is it really that good

i never take it lol

[wintry ice]

hiker's effective chip scaling is low

[hard mantle]

one more time

[tropic umbra]

early game shop hiker

[hard mantle]

just one more time

[signal frigate]

So you want a chip joker that scales no matter what you do

[quartz ember]

that sets them apart if you realize that high ceiling which is not that common in gs

[tropic umbra]

no it's just

[wintry ice]

you have to draw the cards again in the next blind to benefit from it

[tropic umbra]

it's good passively

[wintry ice]

and it has an anti-synergy with the hands it's supposed to work well with

[signal frigate]

The problem with Hiker is, you are NOT guaranteed to draw the card you've scaled unless you've extensively fixed your deck

[wintry ice]

so is square on most builds

[signal frigate]

Runner, you scale it and you'll ALWAYS get the chips

[tropic umbra]

you'd rather have it than not

[tropic umbra]

no

[void quartz]

Hiker is just a permanent boost if u use it with cards u will keep for a while

[signal frigate]

You don't need to score the 4 cards

It literally scales no matter what AS LONG as you play exactly 4 cards

How is that any different?

[tropic umbra]

my pair runs that turn into flush runs due to a lack of mercury disagree

[lunar zealot]

Ello ello what we doin

[tropic umbra]

seriously I never find planets

[wintry ice]

so you're in a place where you don't get suitable planets

[signal frigate]

I'm not gonna question why you lose your purple Stake runs anymore

[tropic umbra]

I've used square before

[lunar zealot]

Make money

[wintry ice]

is that not the perfect situation for a chip generator

[lunar zealot]

'I can never find x in shop' yOU HAVE NO FUCKING MONEY

[wintry ice]

like what

[quartz ember]

isnt you taking square the exact counter to no mercury

[lunar zealot]

spongebob yelling at squidward

[signal frigate]

EXACTLY THIS

[tropic umbra]

no correlation

[wintry ice]

how so?

[signal frigate]

YOU'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT CHIPS BECAUSE NO PLANETS BUT YOU'RE NOT USING CHIP GENERATING JOKERS

[tropic umbra]

stop yelling

please

[lunar zealot]

Not you saying no correlation to a person who's played the game longer than you

[signal frigate]

Can you hear me??

Anyways

[tropic umbra]

I don't understand the correlation

[signal frigate]

I just find that VERY funny

Holy shit

[lunar zealot]

you have no chip

[void quartz]

i once spent 300 dollars for ANY retrigger i could use on facecards and the only thing i found was hack twice 💔

[lunar zealot]

Square give chip

Chip good

[velvet python]

Bro we forgot about flowerpot

[tropic umbra]

i am NOT good and therefore struggle to understand

[lunar zealot]

So square chip when no chip good for chip

[signal frigate]

Eh that one sucks

[wintry ice]

if you get no chips from planets, you should get them from a joker

[signal frigate]

Well not really

[lunar zealot]

it's good for straights

[lunar zealot]

i've done it

[signal frigate]

I just don't like it, it can definitely be good

[wintry ice]

and what is square joker

exactly

a chip joker

[tropic umbra]

my issue is surviving while scaling

[velvet python]

Can we all agree on flowerpot being ah ?

[signal frigate]

I've used it with Smeared actually

[void quartz]

i felt the aura from these 2 messages away

[signal frigate]

It was fun

[wintry ice]

flower pot is a scuffed order

[signal frigate]

It's a wacky order

[wintry ice]

it definitely could be 3 suits

[signal frigate]

It demands more than other xmult jokers

[void quartz]

i felt the aura from these 2 messages away* 😭

[tropic umbra]

yes it's fine to throw away a hand for scaling

[hard mantle]

hm?

[tropic umbra]

but when square gives four while chips

four of them

[signal frigate]

You need to be aware of when to do that and when not to is the thing

[tropic umbra]

that's the thing I don't know how

[signal frigate]

Green joker gives one singular mult every hand.

Is it a bad joker?

[void quartz]

ive never really thought about this synergy lol, are chip jokers really that good to build on? Like they dont feel as good as easy mult builds to play such as photochad

[tropic umbra]

well for scaling square I have to ditch the temporary survival hand type

[signal frigate]

They're weaker than mult jokers but they can work

[lunar zealot]

Chips are half of your score

[wintry ice]

most runs have a scaling mult joker to work alongside it

so

[lunar zealot]

chip jokers are fundamentally a massive part of the game

square is consistent

Runner has high ceilings for its cost

[wintry ice]

you're definitely overstating it's downside

[signal frigate]

And something something, Stuntman carried this run

[lunar zealot]

castle scales with discards and is uncommon

[hard mantle]

what gives more score, 10x100, or 50x100?

[lunar zealot]

bull directly converts econ to scoring and is uncommon

[hard mantle]

thats why chip joker

[lunar zealot]

wee has sheer numbers

[signal frigate]

Oh I COMPLETELY forgot about Bull

[lunar zealot]

each scaling +chips joker has its niche

i like that about them

[signal frigate]

That's ANOTHER very good Chip scaling joker

[tropic umbra]

i don't know when to scale and when not to scale

[lunar zealot]

Always scale

unless you need to win

then dont scale

[signal frigate]

Always, unless you see you shouldn't

[lunar zealot]

easy as

[north smelt]

Weird run

[serene forge]

spare the anecdotes

[signal frigate]

Like, I'd have to discard my green joker mult if I need to survive

Otherwise

[tropic umbra]

I don't know when to make the switch from surviving to optimizing

[signal frigate]

I will never use a discard

[velvet python]

What am I looking at

[signal frigate]

Just look

[north smelt]

Lmao

Winstreak run

[signal frigate]

Do you need a different hand and need to discard? Discard

If scaling means you die in that specific situation

[amber forge]

If you’re not barely winning each round, then you can optimize

[signal frigate]

Then focus on the best decision to survive

[tropic umbra]

i didn't want people to think I was a flush main

it didn't reply

my internet cut out for a moment

meant to reply to the spare the anecdotes

[velvet python]

I love how nobody disagrees that flower pot is bad normally there’s always someone

[quartz ember]

I only see +chips, +mult, and xmult

[signal frigate]

My stats says I am but that's only because I had to goldstake Checkered

[tropic umbra]

I'm always barely winning because I don't know how to switch

[signal frigate]

It's not bad, it's just

Weird.

[lunar zealot]

Well

[tropic umbra]

i am not good at the game

[lunar zealot]

we need to talk about the number 1 rule of balatro

[signal frigate]

It doesn't feel great to use but when it works, it REALLY works

[lunar zealot]

This rule affects every macro and microdecision we make as players

[velvet python]

When in doubt wheel it out ⁉️

[lunar zealot]

and is something we must follow on a fundamental level to make any progress on this game

[signal frigate]

The mult Pot gives is fucking huge, the way you get it is just hard

[amber forge]

First thing you want to do is get $25, money makes things much easier

[lunar zealot]

Get fuckin rich

money is the most important part of balatro

[signal frigate]

Black Deck is keeping that part hard for me

[tropic umbra]

i don't know how to make the most of my shops

[signal frigate]

Early game Black Deck is fucking miserable

[wintry ice]

leftover hand money is always worth giving up to get +1 mult

[tropic umbra]

I always end up spending too much and end up with like 12 dollar

[quartz ember]

only buy good stuff otherwise skip

[signal frigate]

If you think you need something for your build, reroll until $25 dollars

That's pretty much it

Tarot cards, planets, jokers

[tropic umbra]

i do that and get nothing

[hard mantle]

what do i get rid of for this

[amber forge]

Don’t reroll early ante’s, and keep in mind what and why you’re buying something

[signal frigate]

Reroll for those if you think you need them

[wintry ice]

if you'll go below interest after spending and you're not in an emergency

save up

[tropic umbra]

I start rerolling in ante 5

[signal frigate]

How's the Bus?

[hard mantle]

only +7

[signal frigate]

You planning on staying on that?

[signal frigate]

You do have Hallucination

[wintry ice]

what ante is it

[hard mantle]

i was thinking removing ride the bus, i only had it coz i needed the scaling

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[signal frigate]

You can probably scale that bad boy

[tropic umbra]

I usually reroll seeds until ante 1 investment (just aiming for unlocks I wanna mess around on erratic but I wanna earn it)

[velvet python]

This will not be tolerated

[hard mantle]

mmm....

im gonna get rid of ride the bus

[signal frigate]

Sorry to burst your bubble but Baron fucking sucks dogshit

[velvet python]

( I know)

[signal frigate]

It's miserable to play around it early

[velvet python]

but he’s so

[signal frigate]

And ONE bossblind completely destroys it

[hard mantle]

hallucination then?

[velvet python]

Smirk

[tropic umbra]

im gonna leave the conversation sinply because it's clear im not winning

[signal frigate]

Probably four fingers honestly lmao

[minor portal]

what if baron gave +13 mult for every king you had in hand

[signal frigate]

Me when Shoot the king

[hard mantle]

its been helping a lot tho :(

[velvet python]

We alr got that but…

[wintry ice]

show hand levels

[signal frigate]

You can still scale Square without it

[urban edge]

Does 4 fingers work with seance?

[hybrid tendon]

even in vampire survivor I can't get perkeo 🥀

[signal frigate]

This is why I usually don't take those jokers that messes with card hands

[hard mantle]

ik, but ive only put planets into flushes

[signal frigate]

They become crutches

[wintry ice]

what if baron gave +0.5x mult for each king held in hand

(it would be a boring hit the road)

[hard mantle]

ITS SO PEAK

[signal frigate]

But it doesn't reset no??

[velvet python]

THE GOAT

[signal frigate]

Does it scale like Hologram or Constellation?

[wintry ice]

no

[velvet python]

that damn smirk

[signal frigate]

Darn, then just a Hit the road clone

[wintry ice]

0.2x for each king held in hand by the end of the round would be neat

[signal frigate]

I was gonna say, a held in hand scaling xmult joker is a very interesting concept

[velvet python]

The problem with baron is that it’s legit not made to be used before ante 8

[wintry ice]

but people probably would complain if the main part of it's identity was taken away

[signal frigate]

Or in any stake higher than white

[signal frigate]

It's still an interesting thought

[hard mantle]

i could pivot to four of a kind

[velvet python]

Yeah like it just doesn’t work on its own ever

[hard mantle]

would lemme get rid of four fingers

[wintry ice]

ouija isn't worth it outside of earlygame painted deck

[hard mantle]

ALL QUEENS

WOOOOO

[velvet python]

Oh wow

[signal frigate]

Well she did it anyway

Plant incoming

[wintry ice]

-1 hand size is a lot

[velvet python]

Dude that’s like

One card less

[signal frigate]

I'll always say that Ouija's downside should be changed

[velvet python]

Woah

[signal frigate]

You are essentially playing with Manacle permanently on.

That's a big fucking change

[velvet python]

Yeah

[signal frigate]

Handsize is more important than you think

[velvet python]

Didn’t get the sarcasm there did we

[signal frigate]

I did

I just wanted to say it

[signal frigate]

Anyways, Plant will kill you

Calling it

[velvet python]

Permanent fix to that problem is playing high card with baron 🙂

I’m joking

[wintry ice]

is their scoring tied to enhancements

[dark cairn]

wow i am blasting through the stakes on green deck like its nothing

[signal frigate]

I had a run last night with Perkeo, I ended up copying justice and filled my deck with glass

[velvet python]

Where did the deck go

[hard mantle]

hopefully i dont end up getting plant </3

[signal frigate]

The only joker scaling they got rn is Squared and Erosion

[velvet python]

(Balatro is listening)

[signal frigate]

Perkeo could actually help them

[dark cairn]

part of me wants to say "is green deck actually bad or do people just not know how to use it properly?" but i have a feeling gold stake is gonna kick my ass

[signal frigate]

Now they need a source of Xmult

[hard mantle]

also chances are whatll kill me is just my own misplays

[flat drift]

did the loading a naneinf save crashing the game glitch get patched

[dark cairn]

for people who've done green deck gold stake, which stake was the hardest difficulty spike?

[hard mantle]

oh wait no i think this is my last hand

yeah

[wintry ice]

no

[hard mantle]

pain

[flat drift]

well…

i just did?

[wintry ice]

there are mods that fix that

[dark cairn]

cause for most decks its orange/gold stake for me

[flat drift]

i’m on mobile

[hard mantle]

lost due to the lack of scaling </3

[dark cairn]

i usually cant deal with perishables/rentals

[hard mantle]

thats my last run for now then

[signal frigate]

Rentals are extremely painful to deal with

[hard mantle]

i just feel sad now :(

[wintry ice]

purple is usually considered the worst

[flat drift]

oop nevermind it crashed when i played my SECOND hand

[wintry ice]

blue is up there i think

[dark cairn]

weird cause i just blasted through black and blue stakes without being anywhere near close to dying to scaling

[hard mantle]

im having a massive skill issue as of late and idk what im even doing wrong

[dark cairn]

i.e. it wouldve been purple stake and i still wouldve won just not as freely

[hard mantle]

23 hours in and im doing worse than when i had 10 :(

[wintry ice]

were you using 4 fingers for anything

[signal frigate]

Blue is only bad because black deck exists

[hard mantle]

square scaling

[wintry ice]

whay

[dark cairn]

blue stake was only annoying for me when i did my first gold stake climb on blue deck

cause back then i was still stuck in the flush trap

[wintry ice]

you don't need all 4 cards to score for it

unless you were doing it with flushes

[hard mantle]

flushes yea

[wintry ice]

which isn't a good use for 4 fingers

[hard mantle]

noted for later

[dark cairn]

after i figured out how to start playing pair two pair and high card more blue stake stopped being a problem for me

[wintry ice]

or straights which scale really fast anyways

[dark cairn]

i find black stake more annoying than blue stake nowadays

the only time i get annoyed by blue stake is if i take petroglyph

[wintry ice]

that's the worst part of it though

[signal frigate]

Black Stake allows me to do goofy Madness runs

[wintry ice]

you're forced into smaller hands

[dark cairn]

yeah ik but i mean difficulty wise

[wintry ice]

it restricts value generation and makes the early antes harder

[dark cairn]

also you still can play harder to make hands on blue stake+ its just more situational

[wintry ice]

black stake is one of the easier ones

[signal frigate]

Black Stake is my fun stake

I love playing Black Stake

[wintry ice]

but it's responsible for how most runs converge to pairs

otherwise 3oak would be more common

[dark cairn]

i beat gold stake on red and abandoned decks with straights
i beat gold stake on checkered deck with flushes (duh)
i beat gold stake on erratic deck with 4oak
prob some other examples i cant think of

i think there was another deck i beat on gs with flushes

think it was ghost or magic

[wintry ice]

you beat gold stake with large hands on the decks that benefit larger hands

and anecdotes aren't very reliable

[dark cairn]

dont get me wrong though i still think blue stake sucks

its prob the most boring stake aside from red stake

[dark cairn]

wow -$3 dollars per ante oh no all you did was make ante 1 and 2 more annoying

[wintry ice]

a worse start snowballs into a worse lategame

[icy hollow]

Rip. Was too lazy to grind 6th sense and i didnt get bailed out lol. No ecto gg

[wintry ice]

it also makes you have to interact with interest more

which most players aren't good at

[dark cairn]

i wonder if thats why im having an easier time than expected on green deck

am i having a stroke

[dark cairn]

i mean it probably helps that i found burglar in my last 3 runs in a row

burglar + green deck is insane

[wintry ice]

i mean green deck's weakness is that it anti-synergizes with the meta and that makes it a net econ deficit in the lategame

there's more of a cost to scaling bus and discarding for gold cards, blue seals and purple seals for example

[dark cairn]

yea ik what you mean

its nice for your income to be more flexible though

as sometimes youre forced to spend below your interest cap

[atomic trout]

Noooooooooooooo

I calculated so badly

[vocal matrix]

Black Deck Gold Stake almost made me delete the game

Mystic just was in for the ride

[atomic trout]

How many tries?

[vocal matrix]

Tbh, idk, but was trying almost for a week

[atomic trout]

I believe it, haha. That Deck is miserable.

But that extra Joker is nice. haha

[void quartz]

is black deck THAT bad 😔

like the early game is kinda a pain but if u get a decent build to start with the bonus joker is gonna make the end game way easier

[exotic orchid]

Nice congrats

[normal sable]

it is

-1 hand is harsh

[manic talon]

30 streak LESGOOO, New PB incoming?

[exotic orchid]

The main problem is it hurts your econ from start. And it piles up. Its like slowly being killed by a pillow.

[runic sequoia]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1156721486288126023/1426029907506364498/image.png?ex=695dc158&is=695c6fd8&hm=404e42fd617b6d888d443545610b330db65b6aea5a8c5946129c104ae60a6c4f&

[exotic orchid]

Burnt joker?

[runic sequoia]

Yeahhh

And a bajillion blue seals

[exotic orchid]

Nice. Love to see big levels.

How much are you scoring.

[runic sequoia]

I died on ante 14

I had mime as well

[vocal matrix]

Tbh, in white stake is one of my favorites, but the things added by gold stake just make it really anoying

[exotic orchid]

Black deck could have been the best gold sticker farming deck. But it had to be a prick in the ass. 😔

[atomic trout]

It's not what was added. It's the other difficulties being placed on top

The -1 Discard made the game really not fun for me, haha (Damn Blue Stakes)

[exotic orchid]

This is why pair builds are popular in higher stakes.

Easier to make and less risky.

Plus easier to scale early game.

[atomic trout]

Oh god

This?

No wonder I lost to Gold Stakes any deck, haha

Especially Green Deck, Gold Stakes. That's just impossible.

[dark cairn]

-1 hand per round on gold stake is horrible

Blue deck is widely considered one of the best decks for high stake because of how much 1 extra hand per round gives you

And black deck is the opposite

especially on blue stake where you have 1 less discard its quite a problem

[marsh goblet]

i hate how even half of my high stake checkered deck runs are still just pair runs 🥀

[dark cairn]

1 less hand per round means:
-$1 per round
Less ability to properly scale jokers like Runner, Square Joker, Wee Joker, Green Joker, Ride the Bus, Obelisk
You now have to score an average of 33% score requirement per hand instead of 25%, effectively increasing the score requirement overall
1 less hand to play for utility jokers like 6th sense, vagabond, 8 ball
1 less hand to use as a throwaway hand to dig for harder to make hands like straights, or dig for blue seals/gold cards

It also makes taking Hieroglyph or Troubadour a death sentence unless you have Burglar or Grabber voucher

[atomic trout]

Basically Black Death starts bad but it gets strong after getting six good Jokers.

[dark cairn]

yes
the problem is getting to that point

dying in ante 1 can be quite common on black deck

[atomic trout]

The starting of Black Deck is death all the time, haha

That's all I remember when starting on White Stakes, haha

[atomic trout]

But the fact that you got to Gold Stakes. I don't havethe patience, haha

[dark cairn]

oh no i havent even trying getting black deck to gold stake yet

im leaving that for last

im on green deck rn

[atomic trout]

I got to Gold Stakes on Green Deck. It's really hard. haha

Yet I like Green Deck for it's fastest money raised-- when not Discarding and using all the hands. I just to just spend all the money on the shops. Don't want to lose early on

[terse ridge]

What does a man gotta do to get a goddamn Pareidolia

[acoustic kettle]

The plant

[terse ridge]

I still gotta learn a lot abt the shop and jokers icl…

[coarse garnet]

Who’s getting the boot?

[marsh goblet]

man i wish my balatro skill translated to slay the spire

[vocal rose]

banana

or dna

[haughty carbon]

So true

[marsh goblet]

dna will make 3oak easier

[haughty carbon]

Sts is like 100x harder

[marsh goblet]

i'd kick the naner

[marsh goblet]

REAL IT'S SO HARD

[haughty carbon]

@marsh goblet the boot relic in slay the spire???

[marsh goblet]

yooo strongest relic in the game

[haughty carbon]

Shiv synergy

[coarse garnet]

I was afraid of that

[vocal rose]

why’d you ask then

you don’t have to

[coarse garnet]

Idk lol. It would be smart to but I just liked having the extra mult

[marsh goblet]

anyways imma go suffer in sts since i won a balatro run

[haughty carbon]

When I suffer in sts

I just open balatro and win on gold stake once