#🕹・game-discussion
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I'm actually taking it because hologram, if I didn't have hologram I'd NEVER take it
Yep you have HoloCert. Great combo all around for you
Yea you’re cookin
That’s amazing!
I might make it past ante 11 with this damn
i don't take illusion specifically because of hologram. someone else can enjoy their 6 dollar card purchases
All it does is make half the cards in the shop more expensive
It stinks
I didn't mind because I have clearance sale
I essentially have the same amount of food for my hologram because of bp/bs + certificate
the statement in question
Less helpful than copying good cards imo
the best thing about illusion is that you can take it in naneinf runs and not shoot yourself in the foot by doing so
yes this is true
because it doesn't cause cards to appear more often so it's safe to take if you have overstock
this happened when I got naneinf
@serene forge u give off gay vibes, idk what it is I can't put my finger on it
Replace yorrick with DNA? Yorrick is at 12x
wtf stereotyping smg
yeah you're probably safe to
shock and awe
Ikr, just a hunch tho
Alright thanks
oh she's very gay
for bloodstone
gays
:3
Das what I'm sayin
so true
Plasma Deck is the worst deck in the game. The average Balatro novice will think it's the best deck, "look how easy the first antes are!", except on gold stake you fall so behind on scaling that by ante 5 you're cooked. Each attempt ends up taking like 20 minutes because that's how long it takes to realize you're cooked. Whereas with something like Black Deck, you know within the first 5 minutes if you're dead, and if you make it past that, you've got an extremely strong chance of winning.
In short, Plasma deck wastes time and it sucks.
it was one of the hardest to gold stake fs
It's okay if u only focus on mult (emphasis on okay)
I did it chips only :p
plasma players when i bash their skull in with a brick
ow
So eternal rental BP after small blind. We skip yes?
start of the run?
then yeah skip
ok I found antimatter and a showman
...
let's see
do you take photograph here? over bloodstone?
in that case I probably brainstorm the chad over the sock I guess
plus you have a copy joker and retriggers
bloodstone mroe like bloodshit
it's so good
this seed is nuts. I just naturaled all these jokers and a glass red seal king
that is huge
actaully phooto graph wouldbe better
uwu
try not to play that king and instead to copy death cards with perkeo, to use on that king
oh really? thanks
it's not gonna do a whole lot for flush five
because not a lot of cards are left to be held in hand
there are better pickups for the stage in the run you're in
Ante 1
yeah unless there's like a rebate there, I wouldn't take
it'll suck all the money away
thats my plan, I copied it twice, but cant find another death. I wish I didnt use my 2 right away but I was desperate at the time
Might be one of the better setups I've had that actually made Hit The Road work. Found an early polychrome jack and landed hit the road shortly after
true, switching to luckies is worth
yeah I'll do it
oh boy
madness is peakness
o7
I HATE PURPLE STAKE I HATE PURPLE STAKE I HATE PURPLE STAKE
Iven been on this god forsaken stake for 5 days now
what deck
Red
purple is I think the biggest difficulty spike honestly
the scaling is hard to get used to
but you'll get it with time
And i thought greens scaling was bad enough when i first got introduced to it
yeah once you clear purple working around perishables/rentals is comparatively easy
yep totally
what jokers you got left?
So basically green and purple are the biggest jumps in difficulty
Thats werid i never find blue hard
it's hard to notice at first but it's the effect blue stake has once you get to the higher difficulties
Gold stake would like to have a word
what
the water
yknow i always thought it was funny they named a bs filtered water company naive backwards
Evian is not naive spelled backwards
Nothing hits quite as hard as a scaling +mult on first shop, lets ride the bus baby
blue stake is 100x harder than purple stake trustme
I can't wait to see it reworked
its the town that named the water
sure sure
what mimic does
mime?
the joker
humina
yes, do you mean the mime joker?
it causes card held in hand effects, like gold cards or the effect of the baron joker, to occur 2 times rather than only once
not sure
like a save file?
no idea but you could just unlock all
i don't see fun on that
Nat Neg Cert in a buffoon pack huh
no I agree, but it is an option
it's not the worst time in the world to just restart, I find that fun personally but that might be just me
i'll just do every again then
ya
i just won two times anyway
tired of this bs
the first few stakes will go super fast now that you dont have to fumble around figuring out basic mechanics
the last 5 gs runs ive have been BBC or madness
lol bbc
not even on purpose, every time i see them taking them is the right play
well
i know how to play poker
it wasnt hard at all
to learn the game
the only thing poker helps with is knowing what hands are better than others to start
if you find a poker game with a banana lmk
Tryna get naneinf on my alt account, was blessed with this 🙏
?
DNA makes a copy of your first card played if its a single card
i have a justice card
Gold red seal king 🔥 🔥 🔥
Oh yeah it's rly good with that
and obviously synergizes with blue/storm so you can make multiple copies
the white voucher really doesnt do anything?
If u buy it enough times then it unlocks something
kk
once you buy it 10 times, you can then purchase it in your next run and have the chance of getting the Antimatter voucher which is +1 Joker Slot
hmmm
Keep in mind, you need to also buy blank in any given run for the upgrade to appear.
blank sucks
uwu
meet potential voucher
0 antimatters
+0 joker slots
7 dollars wasted ( i have clearance sale)
this was very satisfying
really only good if you get it somewhat early and have crazy good econ which usually means youre already well on your way to winning anyway so its really just a win more voucher
first run after the reset
can I give you a piece of advice
yes
you should hex rn
you want your +mult jokers (like spare trousers and ride the bus) to be before your xMult (in this case your Mad Joker because its polychrome) because you want to stack your +mult and then amplify it with the xMult
how can i get better at balatro? because i am not very good
welp. I guess it's two holo runs in a row today
uhh the homosexual joker should be placed after the bus
the order influence?
yes order absolutely matters
oh noes
watching people who are good at the game can help
jokers trigger left to right
and um
15 hours of gameplay without knowing that
pants should maybe be to the direct left of the homosexual joker
unless uhavent scaled it muhc
i may or may not just lost because of that
:3
so typically people will set up +mult then xmult and then chip scoring can go anywhere because its calculated independently
ill try that thanks!
Which is the best deck?
Ghost
i just unlocked green
i recently watched a video on zaino teaching fir stuff on balatro and that has helped me get better
Or plasma
'best deck' is hotly debated and can depend on what your personal style most caters to
idk these
your crazy
I was a plasma enjoyer for the longest time but now im ghost only for chasing my last gold sticker jokers
i love checkered deck but i wouldn'y say its the best, i do agree ghost though could be the best
Not a huge fan of plasma personally, but i know ppl who are maining it
how can i unlock ghost
keep playing
yep
yeah
youll unlock it naturally through gameplay
beet
Get higher stakes, and play new decks
i'll go with green than
thats most thje game just play and you will unlock stuff
then
without trying
so this game has gamebreaks like isaac right
i do have a question, where can i go to try and get help getting mods for balatro
ya
I mean it's a roguelite just like isaac
thanks
hmmm
photochad + retriggers
u cant break every roguelite tho
like dotage (to my knowledge)
deadcells
i didnt wanna give an example of a legendary qwq
True, some are more skillbased, some more luckbased
yeah
deadcells is really breakable tho
but most skill based
Thanks Borin you really saved me some time figuring out the order matters
I woudn't say "breakable", there is quite a ceiling of how strong u can get, but u CAN get strong
yeah once you get that down you realize how hard youve been nerfing yourself unintentionally
i one shotted thok once
fine ig no stickers
dang
hmmm
youre grinding gold stickers with black deck?

i'm seeing some things i can barely understand lol
why is your screen so wide?, mobil?
i guess u cant really "break" Hades, just get rly strong
Thanks Gros Michel
wow\
so many invis jokers lol
But getting that kinda build still requires more skill than luck imo
you had a negative invis lmao
sheesh
the run im on is this currently
i used ecto on it to get para
this is like that meme with the 3 dragons but one of them looks stupid
Hooray
WHAT DID U DO
I've done it
Polychrome popcorn jumpscare
i did it better just now
ah hanginggraph, everuones favorie combo
i kept getting seeds with either hanging chad or photograph
NOW WHAT DO I DO
Everyones joker stats
omg
probably sell dusk?
not me whew
if only you had bloodstone
yeah
where do you check that
wait nvm
i h avent played in a hot ass minut tho
bloodstone sucks
Stats in menu
Options > Stats > Card Stats
mine, i have about 80 hours
wow you LOVE Supernova
Why not Ghost ? Ectoplasm flood
yeah i love supernova
Hey everyone. New member here, I've been playing for a few months now. Just yesterday I won my first run on Gold stake, yellow deck. Lately I've been sweeping all the challenges. Now i'm working on Cruelty.
My current build is (trying to be) diamond Flushes, still at lvl.1 though. Econ is quite solid with Rebate.
What joker, if any, should I get rid of to leave room for the Photograph?
mail in rebate absolutely
you need to keep the retriggers for photograph
Can juggler save you from death by 0 hand size? Like if you hit ectoplasms and ouija until you have 0 hand size and then you get a juggler will he save you from your fate
yeah you give up rebate for photo
the retriggers are huge
right... but what about econ
how much money do you have
been playing on black for the past few months for the purposes of getting better at decision making
this should carryu you for a while
anyways
can someone hack into my game and spawn in one of these 5 jokers please, I have a run thats def clearing gold stake but I cant find any of these
- i guess i could save on interest and never go below 25
yeah
you have enough money you'll be fine
im telling you this should carry most the run
I dunno man
But steel joker only shows up if you have steel cards so try that for him
with phtot
I got some steel already so im prayin
dang\
he's sorta mid for its niche but I'll take him regardless whenever he shows up
ok
Hes alright while youre deck fixing and collecting steels but gets pretty outclassed late game
so i could lean towards him
🫡 great run (Seed: HAIKL9NN)
my god
Holy
(If youre doing a run that involves high card steels)
all these kings and u playing pairs
smfh
yaoi hands
doesn't have to be hc
whats that
If you just going ante 8 with steels then hes pretty good and I take him if I dont have xmult
actually i think i heard this and i dont want to know
yaoi is a term that means boy's love
it is homosexual
should i just give up getting gold stake on every deck if im struggling very badly to do plasma deck
no
no
i mean some of it is nsfw ig
plasma is one of if not the hardest to gold stake
I've actually only done a successful baron run like once
you should be failing
the one with lower xMult should be before the one with the highest, right?
me too but it was freaky and i played 3oaks :3
which is funny cause that was my first gold stake deck but I brute forced it
the barons were like
mu only xmult for most of the run
it was so bleak
but it worked
all in all just get him whenever you need direction
with x mult it doesnt matter because remember multiplacation still gets the same value in any order now if you throw in addition it changes and you want addition first
is this the optimal ordering? All glass kings with red seal
yes
looks it
that is optimal
If all glasses then should be?
yeah right
how do I go higher from here? Capped out at e15
oFol
Maybe put chad on the left if its all glass
what? just make sure addition happens before x mult
im sure this is legitimate
u answered that too quickly
todays my big day!
I have 2 monitors
yikes mods ban this dude
just said you're right
Naw itd be better to put another copy on sock instead of chad i think if they're glass but I think its optimal rn
wow i sure cant wait to use discount code “lose one million dollars” to lose one million dollars on my next purchase
I have 3 + my screen for work mounted above my personal screens
ok, i cant tell if you were being sarcastic cause you know
i wasnt
i promise
ok
i said yeah right because i was being dumb
could be better
do I take eternal rental midas with a pareidolia? my only concern is clogging up the slot long term
You can try moving that photo in your third slot one space to the left if you want to be optimal btw
to the left of the photo
yes
No
yeah cause that does something definately
i take eternal rental midas mask on gold stake ante 1
It would put it on the left :)
it did
:D
yes
tu hablas espanol?
please dont actually answer i was trying to mess with paperman i dont know a lot of spaneish, im only in spanish 2
I know a bit
Portugal número um :)
what
portugal is number one
oh
do i take natural negative eternal hit the road
i saw um but you meany uno ok
context hat
only if you have the money
If you want to be optimal you can move the photo one slot to the left :)
Si, yo hablo español pero no podamos hablar en este server
I could just tell based on context it must mean one
yeah unfortunately
That’s probably because it wasn’t spanish
he said um and confused me
t
because it should be uno or un
It was portugese
Literally no downside to doing so
dominoes
Money is temporary but the xmult from discarding jacks is eternal (until the next round)
I actually got curious of ur definition of "eternal"
our brains are thinking
a single screenshot does wonders
what
Forever but only sometimes
cause we're autistic in here
a single screenshot does wonders
friends. is this the run
Mime is the best retrigger
sorta
so like i have eternal mime and then clever joker and then abstract joker and then negative eternal constellation and then oops and then lucky cat
im still going with my word
i should take the hit the road ?
there's always missing information no matter how many things other players usually say though
someone's run was ruined the other day cause they were on yellow lol
Is it free or is it like $11
and they didn't bother to share
13 dollar 🎃
plasmer
Do you want the sticker for it
ooh you're right
screenshotter ✌️
U just have to have it when playing last hand, not like actually use the joker
it's every time with this game
every time i have a run
it finds a way
didn't get like any standard packs either
what this does
sell for a double tag which gives you double rewards if you skip a blind
oh
Tell me (weird setup, i know)
guys I'm back
the only thing I need for completionist++ is bootstraps gold sticker
wait is the interface modded that kinda fucks
Watch and cry
Fucks ?
just crt and hr
i mean it's cool
nah, I'm getting it tomorrow
like the display for chips and mult is dope
should i sticker popcorn over space joker rn !!
My current mods, just some cool visuals and QoL
idk !! u tell me !!
Wraith just gave me a holo baseball card, wtf
yes
Naneinf in a Ghost deck without legendaries
Pain
it wasnt actually that bad - if you wanna do them in bulk go for aneglyph deck and take the negative tag at the end of the run
i got like 25 stickers in one run doing that lol
good job :)
Finally gonna get bean stickered
thankyiu
world's funniest bean extinct before the game ends
( before bean I was rocking with a single Joker the whole game since ante 1)
its like jokerless but you have a free 7.5x mult
it took me a while to gold sticker the senzu bean
i think it was in my last 10
also yes i call turtle bean senzu bean.
it just rolls off the tongue a little nicer
Greeded for seals and didn’t get punished
In the end I got cooked 
what exactly would be optimal joker order here
What hand ?
1 on blood stone 1 on sock
Definetly
If ur flush five, photochad is not doing much
Just remember to copy ur dna, u'll melt through cards with oops
That delayed gratification carried so hard
first win. and on a non seeded run🥹✌️
welp, goodbye to the best run i've ever had 🫡
congrats!
ty :D
Perfect for sticker farming ❤️
hehehe chips
good job!!
If inmolate destroys all my cards in hand but I have cards left to draw I don’t lose right?
no you don’t lose
it auto draws
Cool
once 0 in hand
Like hell i do care about chips, just gimme more of that beautiful tiny gold circles
LOOLLL
some good stickers
yummy stickers
Excellent
ok so what the HECK is green deck? is it supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE!
it’s possible, only if you have interest in doing it
get it
who is the first person to ever beat it??
Impossible?
LocalThunk i guess
he must be relly good
In making games, yeah, very good
i like how over the months you’ve slowly just become a troll
LOOLLLL
ive always been a shitposter
prove it
They have no goal because they have achieved everything there is in balatro
until i see the fully set up idol (every card is the same rank and suit) by ante 8 build
i disagree!
negative sixth sense🤤
Negative 6th sense looks dope
6th was a nat negative the yorick and acrobat were ecto
Then the shitposting shall continue
Fr
I’m glad you were right about immolate not killing me that would’ve sucked lmao
i honestly can’t believe how strong immolate is compared to almost every other spectral card
like every spectral is strong to the point it comes to with a drawback, often making it unappealing enough to not want
like -1 hand size
but
immolate?
fixing my deck AND $20? 🤤
2.5 hanged mans
the downside is you also gain $20
and money for it
you’re right my bad
i hate getting $20
you right you right
I was wondering if I could have someone coach me through balatro I'm in need of help idk what I'm doing majority of the time
you should look up balatro university on youtube
they’ll have lots of tips and stuff for you
I don't really think YouTube helps for me
fair
that is true, but they give generic advice applicable to most runs
if not all
because while every run is different
every run has a solution, too
it’s your job to figure out what that solution is
That’s a cool way to put it
and i think that channel helps a bit in helping you arrive on said solution!
and there’s always more than 1 solution
I'll check it out and see what happens
Plasma imo
i definitely think it’s up there
Is there a video you recommend
I'm currently stuck on base black deck
i actually haven’t ever watched them myself LOOLDGKDOPFJF
Buh
Priv
I just think I pick the wrong options
that’s fair
well my first tip that applies to every run is
Like the wrong jokers not rerolling when I should
always try to save up to $20-25
end of shop
always
thats how you consistently make money per round
and rerolling when you shouldn’t, maybe
you see
it’s hard to give actionable advice without actually seeing what you’re doing, yknow?
Exactly
i wouldn’t coach you per se but if you do a run, i can walk you through MY mindset
for surviving said run
on call if you want
while you stream it
That's why I want someone to coach me through and help while giving advice
Thanks
you’re on base stake black?
i can promise you we’ll beat it first try
but up to ya
that sounds fun
maybe in like 30 mins i’ll be available
ty :D
I hate Bloodstone
overstock plus trust
Looks like ez BP to me
my mult...
🍴
bp space joker for more scaling and pray
I'm madman
Man has never taken madness before
I won few times with it, it's not as mad as eternal egg
Now you need swash boiiiiii
And madness
One more xmult and you’re gucci
But it’ll eat swash RIP
Good
When was logic even a option
Just yolo it
Yo lovers card W
My most used one
Painted deck is rough…
Quick advice, i would suggest holding unto temperance until you see another tarot booster pack
So that it can grow a bit each round
Then use it right before opening a tarot booster pack in case you get a fool
Why he do that when he could be earning 5 dollars interest and get brain storm?
I'm already well past that, but ty
max value temperance ❤️
Also tempting
what is your current hand size since we don't know if you have like paint brush vouchers
Nah, i have 6, getting below won't let me scale square
I like high card
Quick question, if at the boss bean will be 1/5, will i get a sticker for it, or it'll discard itself 1st ?
you'll get the sticker if a joker is perishable
Yeah, but food joker
you must finish the round with it in your joker roster, as long as it's there at the very end
Food jokers dissapear once they are depleted
you should skip to the boss if your bean will be 1/5 at the boss
then it won't count if it's 1/5 at the boss it'll be eaten
eternal egg is good
not mad at all
brah 💔
It's not, just counterintuitive
Hermit in the arcana pack
That'd be clutch
there wasn't 😔
am i stupid or is this math wrong
Ok, i'm dumb, too dumb for that
How's rental egg GREAT, viable, yes, but great ?
When VV appears and I forget to reroll and I had 4 jokers ready to sticker that usually are hard to sticker:
GG pages 6 (Hack) and 7(Loyalty Card)!
I only have 4 jokers left for my 2nd C++ now :D
2nd...
The game never gets old 😌
i need to get back on my grind, i got 6 decks left to get c+ for the second time
i'm gonna try and complete c++ before c on this save as well
epic
What a run
honestly i struggled less with black than abandoned this time
meowmeow~ uwu
Thennn leave Plasma for last if you wanna
Since it's also a tough one
just got even better lmao
Actually… you should set one of them on Chad…
It can target chad or photo to cripple you

I have them all copying photo in my game rn
hell yeah
on ante 8 so i'm safe
you should copy chad once and photo once
copy on both is better
Idk y'all this looks like an all hands on photograph situation
exactly
they(localthunk) should make plant a finisher blind that always appears if u have face card joker
.<
Good point
trust me i've forgotten myself at times
but it's drilled into my head now
now if you get a THIRD copy joker then you can put it on photo.
nonsenes
I got confused because chad gives 2 retriggers
I learned the ways from watching roffle videos when he's copying his jokers with bp/bs
I'm way too used to using sock buskin and mime
ya it was better score
Yeah no azure has a point. One on chad and one on photo gives 2¹⁰ vs both on photo which is 2⁹
Well thought 🤔
If it hits triboulet though🤑
inching closer to the finish line
gambling
My inner gambler is tempted
yeah
Or throw the run (trib)
I find I've improved the most as a player when relying less on the rng elements
that's why I think getting rid of invis is the better play here
^^ especially in high stakes, consistency is valuable
This is unfortunaltely only orange stake
Though I will always attempt the stupidest runs possible for the love of the game
even in orange tho
That's pretty high!
One before gold
i make mistakes in gold stake all the timr
you can’t afford to take too many, but however many that is will vary a lot
:3
I loved that run so much
based
epic
I also regularly go for full house
Why? Because I love full house 😌
I've already unlocked the voucher and officially have 100% of the game
ty showman, very cool lmao
Well done!!
Double Showman
Spiderman pointing at spiderman meme
how did you take a picture of balatro in 2005 with a flip phone camera
I just got a chad (huge)
Except they're both Murphy
hopefully showman will show me another chad or photo now
My first win, I would like to call Jimbo some very rude names in celebration, because he was mean when I lost lol
Thats the discord camera option for you lmao
That nat neg hallucination was crazy value
Congrats!!!
First time reaching e
epicc
Congrats as well!!
Throwback carry
Showman pays out just be patient
Now I've been thinking and I think what I achieved in Balatro is insane.
I already have two naneinf and a "c++" achievement
I don't know, I was watching and it seemed crazy to me.
That's me
me too, twice as well. it felt amazing both times, I was super proud of myself lol
it's just such a grind
on gold stake if you beat a game with any joker, it counts as all the other stickers for that joker, including gold sticker
I found a chad but it's perishable
Fuck
This is gonna take some time
yeah it does
It won’t be that bad
ok I found an invis we're cooking now
balarto uwu
throwback think he part of the team 💀
Honestly? While it takes more time, I found it significantly more fun than C+
You actually get to make builds you wouldn't try before, with gold stickering as the incentive
Should I sell chad or photo?
photo duh
sell photo yeah
And you're not bound to a deck until you gold sticker it
I completely agree, I also enjoyed the process more than gold staking all the decks. because once I was done with the bad decks I never had to play them again lmao
Exactly!!!
photo would be worth 1 instance of 2x
chad would be worth 6
I don't wanna touch black deck ever again
Until I decide to make a third save lmao
For max score triboulet or chad should be on the left?
doesn't matter in this case
i wish i could get more opportunities to build around straights on higher stakes
trib i believe
since you don't have a copy joker
straights are really fun to play around
...brainstorm
Yellow either, to a lesser extent
Really strong deck, I just find it boring
also progress updaet
one of my most fun runs in a while was a gold stake run where I got to run straights the entire game because of early telescope and ante 1 shortcut
im on green deck green stake, im honestly kinda having fun with green deck so far
it was awesome
the extra early game economy seems to at least partially make up for the lack of interest economy later
basically just a worse yellow deck
I will always be a believer in the Eternal Riff Raff Gambit
I just wish that interest vouchers did something for it
no bad hits but on the bp would've obviously been best
That's true...
maybe seed money re enables interest for green deck and then money tree acts like seed money does on a normal deck

but yeah 3 trib 1 chad would be 2^21
wheras 2 trib 2 chad would be 2^18
you can kind of spend like a maniac in general
youre not tied to interest
But can be an issue later on without the interest
but theres a reason people tie themselves to interest in the first place
its just the most reliable source of economy
Thats why 90% of my GS runs are on Yellow Deck 
either way i think that either green deck should start with seed money and money tree so they cant appear in the shop
or localthunk should make them work on green deck
Big ghost deck fan, personally (buzz lightyear meme)
I hate Plasma Deck
my fav deck for gold stake so far is uh
unironically
nebula deck
Hey Ghost Deck is fun
yellow is mine
nebula or yellow
epic
i just really like telescope
I love being able to to stuff like this
and having it from round 1 makes it more fun to play around
That's a nice one :D I just reeeally hate the disadvantage
all i did was avoid emperor and high priestess
its bait.....
horrible decision but mannnnnn
should I risk it?
can i ask what possessed you to take an eternal throwback
you should sell chad for it but chances are it won't be good
I think you can since chad is common
what would you even get that helps lowkey
its way too late for perkatory
chicot
but it's probab;y the wrong play
chicot i guess but like idk
not very high risk so up to you
u lose a considerable amount of scoring
can you guess what hand i'm playing around?
I would 100% get that, that looks like a very funny run if you survive
judgment pull..
and you'll find the chad later
the chad is worth 64x mult
straights
literally not possible because judgment doesn't generate eternals
✅
i mean technically the run has been won
ante 12
i love playing straights when its viable to
they're great, and saturn scales very very well
My gaming philosophy is "Fuck it we ball" 🗣️
its comical how strong they are and how little scoring help they need when you dont need to completely build your deck around them like 4oak
uhh
plus superposition is funny
ur right
:3
yeah having an early shortcut is like having a chip + mult joker it's so good because of how good saturn cards are
qwq


