🕹・game-discussion

[amber forge]

It was the first joker I took (I expected to restart shortly after, but then I just got good rng)

[heady narwhal]

it's poker if pairs were good

[sleek sail]

I more mean there's potential to deck fix into an idol. Way too early for hack tho

[void topaz]

which good rng are we speaking of

whats teller on rn#

[pale wolf]

why would it be different in 2025 than 2024

[sleek sail]

I assume the brainstorm

[void topaz]

oh uh theres an update some point next year

[pale wolf]

not necessarily next year

[sleek sail]

Which is fine

[void topaz]

hmm

[pale wolf]

there is no new date

[amber forge]

9, but I got rocket from booster ante 1 and got the foil jimbo from booster as well, and now brainstorm

[heady narwhal]

i think it's a pretty good value for money, pretty accessible for a roguelike/strategy game imo

[void topaz]

ok rocket ante 1 is actually pretty good

[amber forge]

Plus hearts boss is already beaten, so I can deck fix into hearts

[heady narwhal]

although it took me forever to actually win a run for the first time so

[pale wolf]

it is worth it, and just watch some gameplay to see how it be

[heady narwhal]

most of the gameplay that can be watched is completely inaccurate

[void topaz]

you will NOT be naneinf on your second run

[pale wolf]

the general gameplay and idea of the game is there

anybody watching people that make video game videos for a living and expecting to play exactly like they see in the videos is going to be let down

[heady narwhal]

i think baron mime a39 is pretty far removed from the real game

[sleek sail]

The gameplay you see in videos is rarely a showing of the average play experience

[pale wolf]

but you see what the game is

[heady narwhal]

"i got infinity points" is more marketable than "i barely scraped by using some fucked up combination of d tier jokers" though i think

[pale wolf]

certainly lol

[austere pike]

is hard to get your first win and what do you get if you win?

[void topaz]

you were right the first time

wait no

[wheat haven]

You get to do it again 120 more times but harder

[void topaz]

its subjective

[amber forge]

And the eternal hack shop 1 pays off (sorry for spamming with screenshots of my run lol, I'll stop unless something crazy happens)

[void topaz]

how did subjective become objective

i dont know know hmmm

[heady narwhal]

• i think the difficulty of winning for the first time depends on a lot of things including whether you've played deckbuilders before. i had a lot of trouble with it personally
• what do you get for winning?: blueprint

[pale wolf]

it depends on your affinity for the types of things in the game, if you're good at math, or estimating/ remembering percentage changes over time, then you'll probably do well early

[sleek sail]

Obviously you are happy about the runner, right?

[pale wolf]

and if you can apply it to deck fixing yeah

I had never played a deck building game before in my life but the idea of improving your deck came very naturally to me

[amber forge]

Clearly

[heady narwhal]

i mostly had a lot of trouble figuring out how to scale

kept being like "+15 when you play a straight?? and it's the blue number (bad) rsther than the red number (good)?? sounds like shit"

or "i wish odd todd was mult"

[void topaz]

even steven be like

[pale wolf]

idk I saw chips as they were

although I still underrated them because I didn't quite register how rare they are

[sleek sail]

Yeah, the value of chips in every non-plasma deck is sometimes overlooked by newer players, myself included.

[austere pike]

what are blueprints for?

[pale wolf]

they act like another copy of a joker

[lunar zealot]

Ello ello

running on 3 hours of sleep right now

[heady narwhal]

joke response but "blueprint" is a pretty good joker that you unlock when you win for the first time

[lament bronze]

Kami how do you feel about uncommon Chad

[lunar zealot]

I'm just messin with ya

[lament bronze]

(Kami upscale)

[shell dagger]

go to sleeeep

[pale wolf]

where r u

[heady narwhal]

in general the consequences of winning are you get to play higher difficulties & unlock new "decks"

after you finish progressing through the game winning doesn't really do anything but game's still pretty fun

[pale wolf]

baseball card

[sleek sail]

Add another 1 to the count of castle hitting a suit into that specific suit's debuff boss

Didnt mean to reply, sorry

But blueprint is one of the better jokers

[austere pike]

so each time i win i get new cards such as jokers or deck cards?

[sleek sail]

Problem is for it to be good you need something worth copying

[lament bronze]

Yeah some with their own unlock requirements, most need you to win though

[sleek sail]

Its more tied to objectives

[lament bronze]

Decks and difficulties on each deck

[sleek sail]

Well some are anyway

[lunar zealot]

oh right

Discard a royal flush

[shell dagger]

you unlock more stuff to do

[lament bronze]

So say you win with blue you get the next deck, but you also get the next difficulty in blue

[lunar zealot]

yeah you should discard a royal flush

You should discard a royal flush btw

[lament bronze]

From then on you can either unlock every deck at base difficulty or go on to max out one

[shell dagger]

chat this person hasn’t even bought the game yet this is way too much

[sleek sail]

Lol

[lunar zealot]

i think you should discard a royal flush

Have you tried discarding a royal flush

[lament bronze]

Scribbly joker

[sleek sail]

Tell them not to ask questions then

[pale wolf]

pretty much everything related to this is told directly to you in the collection or on the deck selection screen

[lunar zealot]

balatro is a fun game

[pale wolf]

if you get the game ofc

[lunar zealot]

let nobody ever sway your opinions on what jokers are bad

[shell dagger]

it’s perfectly normal to ask questions, it is another thing to answer like this

[pale wolf]

how many blocks wide is the balatro world?

[sleek sail]

Ultimately, one of the biggest things about balatro is reading the game explains the game

[shell dagger]

8

[lament bronze]

I'd say marble is way worse in all situations than 0 potential man

[lunar zealot]

67

[lament bronze]

Sure it helps hologram but apart of that he just bloats your shit

[heady narwhal]

wrong! there are no useless jokers in balatro except idol, showman, and baron. and probably bloodstone too

[pale wolf]

stoker too

no

[heady narwhal]

no they aren't

[pale wolf]

theyre 71x95

[lunar zealot]

Almost every joker is good in the niche it is made to fill

[sleek sail]

But you forget, we playing the stone/marble joker gambit

[lament bronze]

Stock joker is fine leave him alone 🙁

[lunar zealot]

seance is a godawful seance gen

[heady narwhal]

arguably yeah but that's a separate thing

[pale wolf]

you were fairly close

[lunar zealot]

Idol is the single worst on scored xmult in the game

throwback exists

i don't even know what showman wants to be

[heady narwhal]

showman is a tutorial

[pale wolf]

showman needs more niches

pls

[lament bronze]

Throwback can at least in theory be useful in more than one strategy with a joker that has several different pals that can do it the same

[heady narwhal]

you take it and notice that you're seeing duplicates and you weren't before

[heady narwhal]

and that helps you learn about tarot blocking and whatnot

[shell dagger]

blue seal 🙏 thunk make it happen

[lament bronze]

Late game being endless and even in deep endless you might crash and burn through Murphy's law

[pale wolf]

more .. MORE

[heady narwhal]

this would suck imo

[austere pike]

is CMX a good advance to follow for new player?

[pale wolf]

how about you can no longer see your last used of each consumable card type without showman:D

[sleek sail]

Except when he snipes the last card you have that isnt your card of choice. Its the fact that you need to turn 52 cards into one type of card in time before scaling kills you.

[cosmic maple]

I'm thinking sell misprint buy riff Raff and let it eat mask cuz I alr got some good use out of it and use riff Raff to fuel it

[heady narwhal]

you can get duplicates from fool, you can get duplicates from blue seal

[heady narwhal]

makes sense to me

[shell dagger]

in theory yes

[pale wolf]

you cant get duplicates from purple seals

[shell dagger]

scaling linearly in 3 directions results in greater volume increase than scaling 3x as fast in 1 direction

[sleek sail]

Common jokers aren't worth that much and you'd be making twice the number of jokers you'll actually be using.

[lament bronze]

Cash then, and saving up doubloons for actually useful stuff while letting it passively generate stuff to win

[sleek sail]

Not saying idol is bad, just a pain to have everything line up just right to be able to take one.

[lament bronze]

And keep the stuff that actually let's you win

[lunar zealot]

Idol is bad

[cosmic maple]

It's fuel so it doesn't eat my important joker too soon

The egg :3

[lament bronze]

Nono with it I think you can absolutely say it's bad

[pale wolf]

well that doesn't happen in normal gameplay

[lament bronze]

Even in its niche it is too volatile

[pale wolf]

thats endless stuff

[lunar zealot]

let's talk on scored xmult in one sentence

Photo is bad trib which is good idol which is bad aj which is good bloodstone which is bad photo

[lament bronze]

You don't have to play the optics game with something as shit as idol

[sleek sail]

Its not bad, just specific.

[shell dagger]

forgot glass

[lunar zealot]

jonglers

[shell dagger]

and polly

[pale wolf]

its only good in a very very specific context, ergo its bad

[sleek sail]

For endless runs, idol has a place among decent or good jokers, for just simply winning the game its garbage

[lament bronze]

And even in his own specific context he needs a lot to work with or else he just DIES on the spot, widening the gap even more

[lunar zealot]

trib/idol hits a ceiling

for naneinf runs you can't even go on-scored 😭

what a tragedy

[sleek sail]

I mean everything does eventually

[lament bronze]

So does everything else and it's one of the only things to crawl past ante 16

[shell dagger]

the best “realistic” idol build is with chad in a 35 card deck, in which it becomes a really shitty photochad

[pale wolf]

it's the best for mid tier endless runs

and multiplayer

not good endless runs, which will be fueled by perkatory and/or baron mime

[lament bronze]

Photochad with a side quest to find the specific one for this round

Photochad and Trib-chad's weird neighbor

[lunar zealot]

Oddly sounds fun

[pale wolf]

its like playing hiker

[shell dagger]

i always forget how idol is balanced in multiplayer

does anyone know

[lunar zealot]

If only that were idol's actual modus operandi

[lament bronze]

Just play with one glass face card

[lunar zealot]

wrong

[sleek sail]

So to be a good run it has to have naneinf potential?

[lunar zealot]

glass 2

[lament bronze]

A good endless run

Yes

Endless sucks ball anhways

And doesn't concern itself with balancing or good joker design

[pale wolf]

normal mp has a mechanic called the order, which i believe flattens idols picking of cards so the better deck fixer always has the advantage

[shell dagger]

how does it flatten

[lament bronze]

Murphy's law but even more forced

[pale wolf]

it sorts the deck in some way, and then chooses from the top with a randomly rolled number

[shell dagger]

Idk what Murphy’s law is

[lament bronze]

Anything that can go wrong will go wrong

The more complexity the higher the chance of a failure or unintended result

[pale wolf]

https://youtu.be/996hoYiTI54?si=64EU0Zger4tdgNG_

[sleek sail]

Play balatro and Murphys law will be your companion for life

[lunar zealot]

Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity

[honest dawn]

Wow

Scheduled to see it next year

Yeah

[lunar zealot]

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

[sleek sail]

My favorite law

[pale wolf]

if it exists, on the internet...

[shell dagger]

interesting, so it doesn’t actually buff the odds more than vanilla

i can see why that is necessary for multiplayer

[pale wolf]

yea it doesn't improve Idol, it just makes it fair

[lunar zealot]

Oh god

[shell dagger]

i guess an easy way to improve idol is to do the deck ordering thing, generate 2 random numbers, then select the lower of the 2 for what idol hits

[pale wolf]

i think idol should just... pick 3 cards

[lament bronze]

1in52 chance for each card to be X2 when scored

[shell dagger]

6 oops meta

[lunar zealot]

It's so peam

[pale wolf]

peam

guh

[lunar zealot]

Yes zebra that's the joke

[lament bronze]

Idol runs are almost undistinguishable from badstone runs anyways

[west perch]

hey how the heck do people reliably win plasma deck gold stake?it feels like a perfect storm of every choice is wrong. I try to go for chip > mult > xmult and plasma is so good in round 1 i usually can get to 25 while still one shotting, so round 4 i try to get my first joker but even if i get like exactly what i want, it feels like i can't scale my win condition fast enough

[pale wolf]

dont call me 'zebra thats the joke'

🦓 🥲

[lament bronze]

No flat mult, either full chip spam or Xmult spam

[shell dagger]

2pair

[west perch]

orly? just go completely one sided for the balance memes?

[lament bronze]

It is still a tall order due to the magnitude of scoring requirements not being close to most sources of scoring growth

[shell dagger]

playing into both chips and mult at the same time is just making it harder

[pale wolf]

planets help the transition into xmult, not +mult most of the time

[shell dagger]

yes

[lament bronze]

One square is 4 grimbos

[west perch]

so everything +mult is basically a red herring

[lament bronze]

Yes

[pale wolf]

they can help still but theyre not your focus

[lament bronze]

Mercury is a +7.5 on both sides for example

[west perch]

so if i get a stuntman i shouldn't even be thinking about how to transition out of him, just all in on chips

[lament bronze]

Planets are basically entire antes worth of flat mult

[white zodiac]

plasma core

[lament bronze]

And even they aren't close to enough

[shell dagger]

retrigger jokers are particularly strong, you can quickly go from retriggering stone and bonus to glass and poly

[pale wolf]

not necessarily, but it is an option

[lament bronze]

That should show you the gap between usual flat mult growth and the requirement

[lament bronze]

Even just retriggering a raw face card is a 15x15 increase

[serene forge]

balatrodle in 3

[west perch]

as enlightenment is bestowed upon me, a gift from the gods

[white zodiac]

econ is also heavily valued in plasma for how scarce chips and planets are compared to other decks for its necessity of these chip sources specifically

[serene forge]

ante 6 plant

[hybrid tendon]

balatrodle in 7...

[pale wolf]

chip builds mostly die 20% of the time to violet vessel on high stakes

[serene forge]

I hate Violet Vessel

[pale wolf]

balatrodle in 4 thanks for the reminder https://www.balatrodle.com/

[white zodiac]

so called excessive planet polycule

[pale wolf]

||couldnt have been $5 mime because the $4 walkie wasnt close in price, same with faceless||

minor spoilers luckily

huh

[dreamy creek]

balalala

[final onyx]

Anyone else win five times in a row on gold stake, then lose fifteen times in a row? I just suddenly forget how to play, then I lock in, it makes no sense and I feel like tearing my hair out sometimes.

[white zodiac]

oh spoilers oops

[dreamy creek]

that might just be you gang

no idea how a 15 loss streak happens

[hybrid tendon]

||girlie I don't know the prices of these 😭 ||

[thorn dust]

it is always obbin' time

[final onyx]

I just get so tilted that I can't play. Then I take a break and suddenly I keep winning. Then I lose once and it's another loss streak.

[dreamy creek]

I,m obelisking it

obelisking that mult

[white zodiac]

obby licking

[dreamy creek]

sloppy obby licks, what a nice username

[white zodiac]

yeah

[dreamy creek]

i vaugley rember somebody having that username

[white zodiac]

shame he had to die for our sins

[dreamy creek]

[white zodiac]

yeah

where he go

we would've been good friends

[pale wolf]

Permajuggler?

[pale wolf]

did he

[white zodiac]

he hasn't responded in or slack group chat lately

[final onyx]

My last loss was devastating for me. Thought four of a kind would win(four of a kind was more powerful here). It didn't, and then because I stupidly didn't play flush to ensure at least one face card would be there, juuuust in case, the game decided I didn't deserve any facecard draws. I had sooo many facecards, it was so mean. Had hanging chad and photograph, btw.

[white zodiac]

i wish this was my black deck track record

[white zodiac]

just a chance to beat brooke

[cosmic maple]

Sell everything and hopefully hex the blueprint? But then I won't get the egg value on the dagger. Hmmm... :/

Wait wrong ss

There

[vale shale]

Alright alright. 1 take gold stake run any deck. What deck we thinking bout.

[white zodiac]

black

or plasma

[vale shale]

Welp you said black first.

What's with ya'll and black deck.

[white zodiac]

I've been playing on it for the past month

pretty much

[cosmic maple]

I can't win on it

And I think it's cuz my ass luck that spawns right whenever I play on it

😭

[pale wolf]

well then

[sinful plaza]

Mr bones

[amber forge]

5th deck beaten on gold stake, probably going to move to abandoned next

[sinful plaza]

Mr bones ahh

[sinful plaza]

how high dod u get vampire

[west perch]

so is hitchhiker like low key goated for plasma runs?

[serene forge]

what

[west perch]

cause you just keep getting +chip

[amber forge]

Only 1.9

[pale wolf]

christmas time!

[serene forge]

fuck you

[low fog]

aaahhh yes

[vale shale]

I'm the opposite. I'm I think 6/8 in win lose ratio for black in my 1 take gold stake runs.

[pale wolf]

i mean you have chad

[vale shale]

And the most.

[heady narwhal]

that's a random effect

blue seals and fool create specific cards

[shell dagger]

dusk angle?

[sinful plaza]

thta joker looks like the best

of all jokers

[cosmic maple]

Bump

[pale wolf]

so the description would have to change

[sinful plaza]

I've never even seen those legendary jokers before

idk how

[pale wolf]

its an idea

over 8ball yea i would

[heady narwhal]

"creates a random planet card that usually happens to be the card for the final played poker hand if held in hand at end or round"

[shell dagger]

he’ll nah

we ballin

[pale wolf]

i have lvl 3 4oak but should i just pivot

[pale wolf]

"Creates last played planet card at end of round if able."

[heady narwhal]

"last played planet card" sounds like the fool

and "able" is very vague

[hybrid tendon]

y'all trying to make blue seal but without being able to create one you already have ?

[brave goblet]

Blue fool

[white zodiac]

how about last seen

rightmost planet

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[white zodiac]

priority

[serene forge]

@hybrid tendon

[hybrid tendon]

[final onyx]

Lost four more times. This is so fun. And I just know if I take a break, then I'll freaking win first try next time like always. I don't understand.

[serene forge]

[hybrid tendon]

you should take a break then

[lost vault]

nyah

[hybrid tendon]

meow

[final onyx]

I do. And then I feel worse because I did, because this will happen again next time, sadly.

[lost vault]

:p

[serene forge]

uwu

[west perch]

so is this a solid start for plasma gold stake? the scholar was just a reluctant buffoon pick. but i have scare face, square and space building up my chip score to the moon and hopefully celestial will come online at some point

[lost vault]

tilting is a hell of a thing

[final onyx]

I'm like four jokers away from C++ and want to get it over with.

[hybrid tendon]

ndever feel bad for taking breaks, breaks are the most important thing

[serene forge]

the dubious violet vessel

[woven spire]

finally.

[compact gazelle]

if you already built all in on chips (im assuming face card two pairs?) constellation is getting sold for something better asap

[west perch]

yeah face card two pairs

[woven spire]

whats better here? copy baron or mime?

for scoring

[west perch]

what am i looking to sell it for? scholar is pretty much doing nothing right now so i need to dump that first

[shell dagger]

aww i can’t have fun with dusk

bummer

[final onyx]

ikr. I keep making decisions that I realize are bad instantly after I do them, but I jsut can't see them before I do them because of the frustration. I think this might be the reason.

[compact gazelle]

constellation is more nothing than scholar
since youre already all in on chips you should be looking for anything that gives large amounts of chips

[pale wolf]

oh boy cartomancer expires next round, if only i could both use carto and not have an empty slot for the round!
judgement:

[woven spire]

ive seen people say that copying baron is better but idk why lol

[final onyx]

I'm on the edge of being good at this game, but the mental block is real. When I'm in a better frame of mind, I get win streaks. But I've been on a really bad lose streak this week and it's really getting to me. I might take a break for a few days again and just play Noita to relax, lol.

[west perch]

something like dna?

[hybrid tendon]

dna is bad here

[shell dagger]

the highest score comes from balancing xmult effects per trigger and triggers per card. since cards by themselves have a base trigger but not a base xmult effect, first priority is to correct this by copying an xmult effect

[shell dagger]

if you have a blue seal then it’s peak

[west perch]

and im dead

[shell dagger]

rip

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[serene forge]

predictable

[west perch]

shoot. first shop riffraff. i think i should have probably bought it

its kind of a money generator at worst

[shell dagger]

unfortunately that’s a throw

[serene forge]

shop 1 riff is a snap pick usually

rip

[shell dagger]

riffraff is so peak

[woven spire]

That was a very good way of explaining that, thanks!

[west perch]

i want like

eternal riffraff madness

my life would be so easy

[woven spire]

ill prolly copy DNA and one shot some antes tho lol

[pale wolf]

ope

[west perch]

oh, stone joker lets go

i know what to do now

just go high car slapping stone flavored meat

[serene forge]

uhh

that's not how madness works

lol

[west perch]

what do you mean

[serene forge]

its not dagger

doesn't need to kill to scale

[west perch]

riffraff is eteran, doesn't die, madness eats its babies

[lunar zealot]

Ello ello

[hybrid tendon]

madness doesn't need to kill a joker to scale

[frank grove]

Madness doesnt need to eat babies to scale

[woven spire]

biggest steel ive got

[west perch]

madness scales even if there's no joker to kill?

[frank grove]

yeah

[west perch]

thats wild

[hybrid tendon]

yes

[woven spire]

wtf was that rection

[lunar zealot]

Read the joker

when blind is selected, madness gains x0.5 mult and destroys a random joker

[hybrid tendon]

no that's a type of card

[woven spire]

fym e?

[lunar zealot]

ceremonial dagger is different

[frank grove]

madness is only on small and big blind right?

[serene forge]

yes

[lunar zealot]

when blind is selected, dagger destroys the joker to the right and adds double its sell value to +mult

[hybrid tendon]

ye

[west perch]

well ceremonial dagger isn't worded in a way that the bonus is predicated on killing it

says "kill it and add its value"

[woven spire]

I didnt look at the boss.

[hybrid tendon]

what are you even saying

[deft panther]

Dagger needs to kill a joker because its increase is based on the sell value of the joker it eats

Madness increases its xMult and also just destroys a joker

[west perch]

i understand that's how it works. but neither are worder in a way that explicitly predicates the former

kill a joker and do something

[hybrid tendon]

they do tho ?

[frank grove]

they do

[west perch]

kill a joker and add double its value

these are two separate things

[frank grove]

Yeah vs ... add .25xMult and destroy

[hybrid tendon]

no they're not

kill first then add its value, madness is add value then kill if it can

[serene forge]

take everything literally

[serene forge]

except matador, that's written poorly

[west perch]

so if your girlfriend says "go to the store to get me some milk and eggs"
if they have milk, you'll get eggs, but if they don't have milk, you go home with nothing

[serene forge]

dagger says kill joker and add mult

which means kill joker comes first

[pale wolf]

oooh decisions, i have seed money so i guess juggler can go?

[hybrid tendon]

no ? cos that's not how its worded

[serene forge]

and mult is added based on what is killed

[deft panther]

I love getting madness with good eternal jokers its fun

[white zodiac]

"it" specifies the joker you kill

[serene forge]

if nothing is killed nothing happens

[west perch]

no it doesn't

[serene forge]

madness just gains mult then kills

[west perch]

it specifies a joker. says kill it and add its value

[serene forge]

nothing prevents it from gaining mult ever

[pale wolf]

if you come home with only milk you will not have gotten milk and eggs

[deft panther]

Dagger does that

[serene forge]

but killing jokers via madness can be prevented

[lunar zealot]

You didn't even word the hypothetical right

[frank grove]

yeah eternals, and just skipping to boss i guess

[west perch]

i know that's how it works. but it doesn't say literally at all that if the kill fizzles, the mult fizzles. that's just literally not how logic works

[hybrid tendon]

I know ? but that's not what she asked tho, she asked to get both, not to get milk and then get an amount of egg comparable to that amount of milk

[serene forge]

tell me real quick what is double of 0

[lunar zealot]

the syntax is 'go to the store and buy 6 melons; if they have bananas buy 10'

[west perch]

i mean like discrete logic btw not calling you an idiot

[lunar zealot]

and then he comes back with 10 melons

[deft panther]

Dagger is different though because if the dagger can't destroy the card it doesn't gain mult

[lunar zealot]

dagger CONVERTS THE SELL VALUE to +mult

[west perch]

the joker to the right of the dagger still exists and has value. how much can you sell a dead joker for?

[lunar zealot]

What is there to convert with madness

It gains x0.5 mult irrespectibe of anything that exists

[frank grove]

"When Blind is selected: destroy Joker to the right and add double its sell value to its Mult" vs "when small/big selected gain x0.5 mult and destroy a random joker"

[pale wolf]

but yea, not only the word choice but the order of the two clauses

[serene forge]

you can't sell eternal jokers

[white zodiac]

description order

[serene forge]

sooooo

yeah

[white zodiac]

input output

[west perch]

right, but a non-eternal joker kills the joker to its right. so it doesn't have value anymore

all i'm saying is that the language is not clear

[serene forge]

what

[frank grove]

what

[hybrid tendon]

what

[serene forge]

[west perch]

it can be read as "target the joker to the right" kill it (action 1) -> add its value (action 2)

[serene forge]

add its value if it is killed

if it can't be killed then there's nothing to add

[hybrid tendon]

all jokers have a value even if they're not in your hand ? a mime that you don't have is still 5 $

[lunar zealot]

Adds double the joker's sell value to +mult

the joker that was destroyed

[hot plank]

tbf i didnt realise madness didn't need to eat a joker to gain the mult until like a week ago

[lunar zealot]

are you ragebaiting?

[hybrid tendon]

and it's sell value is 2 even if you don't have it

[lunar zealot]

i love rentals with dagger ngl

[serene forge]

2 mult for 1 dolar yes please

[white zodiac]

imagine asking a kind of question like this out loud in lecture halls

same

[lunar zealot]

me asking my professor if she's ragebaiting

[hybrid tendon]

she was, in fact, ragebaiting

[serene forge]

there was a dude like that in my chem class last semester that was like universally hated for that

[cosmic maple]

Is hex viable at any moment here?

[hybrid tendon]

no

[lunar zealot]

If you want to lose, sure!

[frank grove]

no.

[white zodiac]

me asking in science class whats stopping us from nuking hurricanes to prevent it from reaching ashore

[hybrid tendon]

TRUE

what is stopping us ?

[lunar zealot]

Them

[serene forge]

weather forecasting is a sham, just print out a map and draw over it with sharpie to influence the weather yourself

[lunar zealot]

My cousin died in a hurricane

[hybrid tendon]

did you know that everyone eats 5 watermelons during their sleep on average ?

[final onyx]

Finally getting a good run going!

[lunar zealot]

Fork.

[serene forge]

hi

[hybrid tendon]

girlie

[serene forge]

grillie

[pale wolf]

there's the equivalent amount of water in the amount of spiders the average person eats

[white zodiac]

i was in louisiana when katrina hit in 05

[lunar zealot]

Ah yes 5 water

[pale wolf]

Hot spiders are actually 10,000% water per kg

[lunar zealot]

My favorite quantifiable noun is water

[serene forge]

i thought that would be bbc for you

[white zodiac]

hot spiders living in my area

[lunar zealot]

fufufufufu

[pale wolf]

i was saying the equivalent amount of 5 watermelons worth of water

[lunar zealot]

What the fuck is that syntax

[hybrid tendon]

zebra are you high perchance ?

[lunar zealot]

unparseable have a nice day

[white zodiac]

fruitax

zebra why are you high

[hybrid tendon]

fruity syntax

[white zodiac]

get down from the wtc

[pale wolf]

im not rn

[serene forge]

fuit gumy

[pale wolf]

i uhhh should get high

brb

[white zodiac]

we lost him

[hybrid tendon]

zebra on their way to have an even worse syntax

[white zodiac]

2 gummies worth of hot spiders

[hybrid tendon]

2 sand worth of gummies

[pale wolf]

i not a programmar

and that joke has layers

[hybrid tendon]

I forgot stickers were banned

[pale wolf]

actually i cant get high i gotta finish this game out

[pale wolf]

so who do i kill

[frank grove]

juggles

[hybrid tendon]

jugleer me thinks

[white zodiac]

uhh

have you encountered any anti 5 card boss blinds yet

[pale wolf]

mighty

[white zodiac]

nvm

[pale wolf]

ehhh i played against arm

[white zodiac]

that's not

ok

[pale wolf]

the only vaguely threatening one so far

[white zodiac]

i was thinking needle serpent water

hooky

[final onyx]

...I was so focused on winning I forgot to get a joker for c++...

[lunar zealot]

shit japens

[final onyx]

...There are only four jokers left for me to get a gold sticker. I clicked Endless and look who decides to freaking show up NOW.

[frank grove]

😭

[final onyx]

Freaking Jimbo...

[white zodiac]

fuck off

I just started

[naive galleon]

nah you got this, the draws have a four of a kind

trust

[white zodiac]

no I generally dont take these on streak runs

[naive galleon]

oh

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[pale wolf]

can just full skip so i get to smoke sooner

[white zodiac]

oh wrong first ss

bruh

[pale wolf]

and its needle time

:D

[reef flint]

Haii

Soooo. I did this today :3

[pale wolf]

oh i guess i dont get to full skip anymore :c to be "Optimal"

[pale wolf]

legitimately?

[reef flint]

Seeded

But

[pale wolf]

hmm it might still be a record

[reef flint]

Oh no the seed i got it from got the ante way higher

[pale wolf]

for debt

[reef flint]

Oh ok

[white zodiac]

drspectred reference

[pale wolf]

xd

[white zodiac]

worth the 8 chips and 5-10 bucks?

mm

[reef flint]

The ante part if the glitch seems to be randomized (i always do the same seed), so it seems to be luck on that part

The person who I got it from got ante 400 i think due to lucky rng

Sometimes it triggers a ‘you win screen’, sometimes it wont

[white zodiac]

double sans moment

[reef flint]

(Also the debt can get higher if your luck makes the ante go higher)

[reef flint]

Indeed

Im confused on how if i do the same seed and same exact card plays, that the ante ammount varies so much

[pale wolf]

It's based on frame rate

[reef flint]

Ah.

Well my iphones framerate must be wild because its lowest was 20 something I think

I generally hit 67-69 (no im not trying to be funny).

[hybrid tendon]

67 when 61

[alpine basalt]

and with this one final hand, with a fatass cat and the second to last legendary gold sticker, I am done with C+

[low panther]

Can we buff 8-ball?

[alpine basalt]

now to go win a white stake for the steam achievement

[low panther]

Congrats

[acoustic kettle]

8 ball is fine

[alpine basalt]

we are officially decently close to done

[fallow fog]

those stickers gna be fun to get

[reef flint]

Anyone else do the Mr bones skip?

[fallow fog]

dwdw

[reef flint]

I need help making the biggest number on it

[low panther]

What's that

[alpine basalt]

i'm actually done with most of the hardest ones due to some extremely lucky runs

[reef flint]

Basically get 2 mister bones

25% of the round scored on a boss blind

[alpine basalt]

also damn didn't realize my best winstreak was 5

[stark karma]

ya'll I had a funny joker idea

[reef flint]

And then lose by running out of cards (not hands)

[low panther]

What would be fun is if mr bones's abilities stacked so it would be 1/4 then 1/16 then 1/64

[reef flint]

And then basically this happens (rental mr bones in this case)

[stark karma]

joker idea: Chocolate Joker
common

+10 mult per Chocolate Joker sold this run

wait maybe thats awful

[acoustic kettle]

Riff raffer

[hybrid tendon]

showman niche

[stark karma]

ankh printer

+that

like it's not great lmao

[reef flint]

Trash joker: +0.5x mult when a food joker decays. +5x mult when destroyed from being decayed (includes the cola being sold)

[stark karma]

wait but true

[stark karma]

jokers based on food jokers is lowk annoying

no offense

it's been said before tho

[acoustic kettle]

Is chocolate not food

[stark karma]

no making a food joker is chill

[acoustic kettle]

Cholocate is based on chocolate

[reef flint]

Fridge joker: 1 in 4 chance for food jokers to not decay. 1 in 10 to be restored to max.

Scaffolding joker: the joker to the left’s scaling increases by one

[stark karma]

I'm not trying to dunk on u lily

[jagged valve]

It's... Peak

[stark karma]

wait ur trolling ToT

lmao

please

[acoustic kettle]

One apple per mult

[reef flint]

Fridge joker is a rough idea idk what the best stats on it is

But the scaffolding joker should be a thing

[stark karma]

ur literally trolling ToT

[acoustic kettle]

Hmm +2 bus

[stark karma]

wait ur not??

I'm so lost

[reef flint]

And being to the left means that afaik it won’t be able to be blue printed into oblivion so you cant make your square joker gain +40000 chips a hand

[hybrid tendon]

I don't think she is

[reef flint]

Im not trolling

[pale wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1379214645742796911/1449953343504912444/screen-20251214-213505.mp4?ex=6940c5c7&is=693f7447&hm=cf18f95e95c3a144a53bccb52ea384c200329307778d5698a9ff5c815ec38d36&
One of the few times I'm actually scared of Bell

[reef flint]

Im just very bad at balancing

[stark karma]

okay I've had these exact ideas

honestly they're interesting

[stark karma]

like these exact two

[acoustic kettle]

Too strong

Ngl

[reef flint]

I think the scaffolding joker honestly should be left facing so its blueprint proof.

Also negative invisible joker should make a negative copy

[hybrid tendon]

I don't think that's good

you shouldn't design a joker around being proofed for blueprint

no other is

[reef flint]

True. Maybe its just unblueprintable then

[hybrid tendon]

yeah

just make it incompatible

[reef flint]

I just feel like making it blueprintable would be op.

[acoustic kettle]

What is adds one for xmult scalers

[lunar zealot]

then don't

[stark karma]

I had a dumb idea a while back : ceo of joker corp
rare

prevents scaling jokers from scaling
gains 0.1x every time a scaling joker would scale

[lunar zealot]

There's like 67 incompatible jokers

[acoustic kettle]

[reef flint]

But negative invis should make the copy negative, right?

[hybrid tendon]

67

[stark karma]

lowk so dumb

[hybrid tendon]

no

[reef flint]

I mean like

It should

It doesn’t but imo it should

[hybrid tendon]

why do you think so ?

[stark karma]

cola

oh wait negatuve invis???

[reef flint]

Because the negative invis glitch would be patched (the 6/5 one)

[stark karma]

wait hell nah

[stark karma]

it's not a glitch

[hybrid tendon]

I don't think it's a glitch

[stark karma]

it's intended behavior

[hybrid tendon]

it's intended

[reef flint]

And also like

Otherwise a negative invisible joker is useless

[stark karma]

its not???

[hybrid tendon]

temperance value

[acoustic kettle]

Invis is a lot of times not that good anyway

[reef flint]

I mean the negative on it

[stark karma]

is this useless?

[reef flint]

Id then keep it for temperance or swashbucklr

[hybrid tendon]

that's not negative invis

[stark karma]

check the joker count

yeah boyyyy

also I totally died cuz I got impatient lmao

but we dont talk about that

[stark karma]

8/7 jokers babyyyy

[hybrid tendon]

yeah you only got 35 cards in hand lol

yeh I saw

I guess that can be good

[stark karma]

it's fun sometimes

when you have a build finalized

[reef flint]

You think local thunk will ever raise the score cap? I know some mods do

[hybrid tendon]

no

[stark karma]

wdym

[acoustic kettle]

Not important

[pale wolf]

heres my entire joker ideas list in polar coordinates if thats what you wanted

[acoustic kettle]

He won't increase it

[hybrid tendon]

cos the game is not centered around endless or naneinf

[stark karma]

yeah thats dumb

also it would be bad for the people who do run naneinf

[hybrid tendon]

thanks, I wanted that

[pale wolf]

youre welcome now i can smoke! :D

[stark karma]

it would mean that only perkeo would make highscore runs viable

or bugs

[acoustic kettle]

e308 is so high already

Why even increase it

[split vessel]

I won with a bullshit build

[pale wolf]

i think endless scaling could be less aggressive on sub-green stake

just for high score runs

[stark karma]

honestly endless has a probelm lol

[split vessel]

I just did flush five lucky ace

[stark karma]

thats a baseball card build wdym

[pale wolf]

Right now the jumps between antes are too big to really differentiate minute differences between high scoring builds

[reef flint]

I think if local thunk does increase the cap he should make the scaling slow down at like ante 30

[split vessel]

Lol

[stark karma]

no

[acoustic kettle]

He won't

[heady narwhal]

+50 chips

[hybrid tendon]

arrowhead

[pale wolf]

foil? oooh like the

sure

[split vessel]

No

[brazen island]

can ramen give negative score? like can you get it down to .5x mult?

[heady narwhal]

no

[acoustic kettle]

It's gone after 1x no?

[stark karma]

this with a baseball card 😋 😋 😋 😋

[heady narwhal]

it gets eaten once it reaches x1

[brazen island]

i have always sold it before it gets eaten lol

ok cool

[heady narwhal]

you've sold ramen?

[brazen island]

yeah.....

[hybrid tendon]

I mean if you use discard while you have ramen you're better selling it than letting it die

[stark karma]

is stencil the only joker that can display a negative nuumber?

[shell dagger]

Boots

[stark karma]

ohhhh yeah

[pale wolf]

and bulll

[stark karma]

and bull?

[hybrid tendon]

bull?

[pale wolf]

and bullll

[stark karma]

fun fun fun

[brazen island]

wait how do u get stencil to display a negative number

[stark karma]

and you can score 0 funnily enough

[brazen island]

you can't get negative joker slots

[hybrid tendon]

get more jokers than the cap

[acoustic kettle]

Neg invis

[pale wolf]

can somebody tell me why I have to manually disable one of my cores for terraria so it doesnt intermittently lag

[brazen island]

you can sell negative invis if u have full joker slots? i thought it wouldn't proc

[stark karma]

not the only way hehehe

[pale wolf]

it do

[brazen island]

oh wild

[hybrid tendon]

cos terraria is trying to run on more cores that it was made for idk

[pale wolf]

doesnt say needs room, for whatever reason

[stark karma]

you can get stencil down to -2 and -3 ;)

no invis

[brazen island]

thats kinda stupid lol i like it

[pale wolf]

just go on Typecast right

[stark karma]

yeeees

and who knows how to score 0 my students

[west perch]

so is this just run W? lol

in theory i just never buy anything

[hybrid tendon]

you still need + mult

[acoustic kettle]

Should just be - score

[stark karma]

ur on plasma dummy

[pale wolf]

is it made by IDIOTS
-# im joking

[west perch]

plasma

[brazen island]

i mean if u have a negative bull and negative boot at the exact right number it should be 0 right

[heady narwhal]

my favorite challenge interaction is getting -1 joker slot on typecast

[stark karma]

nope!

u forgot planets

well hand levels

[pale wolf]

plasmoid

[hybrid tendon]

plasma balance happens after jokers

[west perch]

even so lets go?

[hybrid tendon]

you still need + mult

[acoustic kettle]

You need +mult for the xmult

[brazen island]

yeah but if you have negative scoring from ur jokers you can counteract the base level points

[stark karma]

now you need tarot

[heady narwhal]

negative chips/mult just doesn't do anything in practice

[brazen island]

oh fr?

[stark karma]

jokers cant score negative

[brazen island]

I've never gotten a joker in the negatives so idk lol

[stark karma]

just the display

[brazen island]

ohhh okay

[stark karma]

they just score 0

[pale wolf]

my favorite is eternal legendaries, or maybe this

[brazen island]

enlighten me sensei

[hybrid tendon]

nah it's just on an old engine lol

[pale wolf]

but you are right that negative bull and negative bootstraps together would act like normal bull and boots

[stark karma]

wait....

huh??

[stark karma]

HUH???

[heady narwhal]

erosion

[stark karma]

eternal legendaries on what? the all eternals challenge?

[heady narwhal]

i mean "mad world"

[hybrid tendon]

there have been talks about making terraria 2 for a new engine

[pale wolf]

nonperishable or typecast

[heady narwhal]

luxury tax naneinf when

[pale wolf]

stoopid

[stark karma]

nobody's answered how to score 0 chips lol

[hybrid tendon]

you could try asking in the terraria discord tho

[brazen island]

i have no clue honestly

[heady narwhal]

it'd be very possible if hermit with negative money doubled your negative money with no limit

[pale wolf]

well I mean I already know how to fix it, I kind of wish there was an automatic thing that happened whenever I opened the game but it's usable

[heady narwhal]

rich get richer

[stark karma]

bing!

0 money = 0 score

[brazen island]

but what about mult?

base planet mult

[tacit stream]

Rich get Richer when The Ox:

[stark karma]

mult times 0 chips is 0

[brazen island]

oh yeah duh

[hybrid tendon]

are you using steam ? you could try adding a launch option

[shell dagger]

4 cards against the psychic

[stark karma]

thats how I learned about it lmaoo

[heady narwhal]

psychic is the most powerful boss blind because it's the only blind you can get 0 round score on outside of challenges

[stark karma]

someone on reddit did a big oopsie

[stark karma]

is it 0 round score if nothing is scoring tho...

i guess :P

[heady narwhal]

yes because the "round score" box says 0

[stark karma]

lol

[brazen island]

i mean you can also score 0 by getting 0 hand size lol

[stark karma]

can you get a high score of 0?

[heady narwhal]

technically you can gameover with 0 round score just by losing all your hand size or discarding all your cards but like

that's boring

[fickle mesa]

it needs to install a virus on your computer in order to work

[stark karma]

wait it CAN appear ante 1

if you score 0 as your first run on a file

[smoky socket]

why is my shop LOWKEY looking like “dead by ante 4” 😅😅😅✅✅✅

[stark karma]

is it a high score?

[smoky socket]

i have no queens and 5 kings

[heady narwhal]

sell triboulet

[brazen island]

we need some science to be done

[heady narwhal]

you'll be in a much better spot

[stark karma]

trib baron synergy

[brazen island]

if you lose without ever scoring is it a high score

[heady narwhal]

maybe take the jumbo buffoon if you need

[brave stirrup]

GENUINELY fried son

[stark karma]

I would try to pull it off lmao

but it might be cooked

[heady narwhal]

can you increase your most played hand with obelisk using mouth/psychic?

[brazen island]

gang gold stake winstreaking is kinda hard

[stark karma]

the trick is to ignore the trib for a while, if you dont look at him he wont ruin your run

[signal frigate]

I think that ancient could provide some time to spare

[fickle mesa]

im prettt sure the answer to this is yes

[stark karma]

you have to be sneaky

[pale wolf]

doesnt look like launch options can do what i need

unfortunately

[white zodiac]

yes

[stark karma]

yup!

[pale wolf]

cool feature tho

[heady narwhal]

avoid looking at trib by selling him immediately

[smoky socket]

you’re right you’re right

[smoky socket]

you’re actually right

I will sell trib

[signal frigate]

Treat it as econ for now and hopefully you survive before it dies, find sumn else to replace it

[pale wolf]

Hard challenge: Jokerless, but you must buy every joker you see

[signal frigate]

You can keep it for now just for Temperance value

[stark karma]

what's the most niche fact about this game I wonder (pertaining to mechanics in the current version)

[pale wolf]

on a normal deck obv

[smoky socket]

true true

[stark karma]

what's tech most people dont know about

[signal frigate]

Sell it if it absolutely does nothing if you've survived

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[smoky socket]

what if temperance doesn’t show up 😅😅😅

[vocal rose]

misprint

[smoky socket]

alr

[signal frigate]

Have fate, you'll get through that

[stark karma]

thats pretty known imo

[vocal rose]

nah

[pale wolf]

did you know that black hole has a chance of replacing a soul in arcana packs when you have omen globe

[vocal rose]

sock n buskin tech

[stark karma]

this is the kinda shit I was looking for

WHAT??

WHY??

[pale wolf]

or rather, they can generate on the same slot, and black hole takes precedence

[vocal rose]

there’s also a to do list tech

[stark karma]

fucky bug?

[stark karma]

ur trolling

[pale wolf]

Not a bug, just how the generation works

[stark karma]

so odd

why does a voucher affect it

oh wait

[pale wolf]

because you can't normally get black hole in arcana packs

[smoky socket]

dead by ante 3* I lost to the big blind 😭😭🫱🫱🫱

[stark karma]

yo I'm dumb

I thought omen globe gives you an extra consummable slot, I'm a dummy

[dreamy creek]

pluh

[pale wolf]

nah

[stark karma]

that actually does make sense

[smoky socket]

I love omen globe

[vocal rose]

there’s a hack tech with super pos

[stark karma]

no there is not ToT

I'm assuming showman can make multiple soul cards appear in one pack?

[vocal rose]

showman and black hole too

[stark karma]

right

[vocal rose]

there’s a chance with an arcana pack contains 2 souls and 2 black holes

with showman

[white zodiac]

there's a trading card tech with stuntman hook

[stark karma]

or 3 I'm assuming

[vocal rose]

or 3 and 2

[stark karma]

what's the max lol 5?

[stark karma]

I do know that

it's kinda cray

[pale wolf]

yup

[white zodiac]

there's a dagger tech with trooby

[pale wolf]

it could have 5 black holes that would normally be 5 souls without omen globe

the chances are beyond astronomical

[stark karma]

okay okay crazy question

if you are playing on gold stake and you dont have a specific legendary goldened, will the code specifically choose a seed that does not have two legendaries in one pack? or would both soul cards give you the legendary you need?

[pale wolf]

either one is identical to eachother

[stark karma]

I'm assuming either soul card you pick will give you the one you are missing right?

[pale wolf]

they pick from a universal queue

[stark karma]

yeah I answered my own question lmao

[stark karma]

wait but why would they spawn on the same card?

oh wait I think I see

I didn't really understand how omen globe worked ig

[pale wolf]

It's just that the chances are both rolled for the same slot, and the same chance that would have succeeded for Soul can also succeed for black hole and black hole takes precedence

[stark karma]

so odd

never take omen glove kids

[white zodiac]

yes even with showman you're still guaranteed to get an unstickered legendary

[stark karma]

damn any other crazy info, I feel like I know almost everything

[stark karma]

that system is so crazy

[pale wolf]

but the chance has to be that you hit both .3%

[stark karma]

beautiful

thats insane

but not impossible so

[silver reef]

chat do I sell anything?

[pale wolf]

it's negative legendary rarity

nat neg

[stark karma]

right

just sucks way more

and no way of knowing lol

[pale wolf]

and you would never even know

[stark karma]

yeah lmao

[stark karma]

lol lmao

[pale wolf]

That's why black hole suck

[stark karma]

hello onyx agate

just give soul precedence thunk

it's kinda crazy you can level up secret hands before discovering them

[honest dawn]

We all agree that the bull is much more useful than the boots.

[stark karma]

but why is it so much better

the ratio is off?

its 1 to 7 right?

no wait its 1 to 5?

[honest dawn]

For me it's better because for boots to be truly good you need more money than for bulls to be truly good

Furthermore, a bull in a plasma deck can carry

[honest dawn]

The actual ratio is 7.5 chips per multi

[stark karma]

okay so bull gives 5 chips for every mult the boots give

so its actually better than the 1 to 7.5

so what gives man

[honest dawn]

But for me, having 50 chips is more important than having 20 multi

At first I ask why, for me, there are many more multi-chip jokers than chip jokers.

[stark karma]

10 mult lmaooo

[honest dawn]

Ah, that makes even more sense haha

[stark karma]

50 chips vs 10 mult lmaooooo

[honest dawn]

Even with 20 multiplayer, I think I preferred multiplayer, I've already gone overboard haha

Multi*

Multiplayer 🗣️

[stark karma]

wait wait

[honest dawn]

10 of multi is very little, no joke.

[stark karma]

holdup

[honest dawn]

50 chips can carry you into playing pairs or small hands at the beginning

[honest dawn]

I personally also prefer laminate for the same reason

[stark karma]

laminate lmao

wait mb

[honest dawn]

What was that, lmao? Why is everyone posting that and I don't understand, ahh

🥹

[stark karma]

U play in a different language

mb gang

[honest dawn]

Yeah

[stark karma]

laminate is so funny tho

because its also a word in english but its different from foil

I think bull is so good because it's almost impossible to find chips that scale like that

whereas boots is just\

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[honest dawn]

Besides, even if it's only 100 chips, it's a good joker.

[serene forge]

I hate Bootstraps

[honest dawn]

Well, boots with 20 multi-target rating would be good, but it's not worth having 25 unused units of money just for a little bit of multi

I also think it was translated incorrectly

But 20 multi is given to you by half a Joker

Bus, groker, supernova, pants, can scale much further than a simple 20 multi

[white zodiac]

bull is good because it doesn't suffer from shit number conversions

[honest dawn]

And if you want Boots to scale more, then you're putting your economy at risk just so Boots can earn more multi

Most of the time, boots aren't worth it.

What I'm saying is that many times I risk a Joker slot to start the run well with a chip Joker, even though later on one from xmulti would be more useful.

It all depends

I've done some boot runs

[opal pine]

how useless

[white zodiac]

fuck off

[silent quiver]

sup guys

[tawdry valve]

whats up

[white zodiac]

mmm how desperate am i

[tame sluice]

Do u like Any joker

[serene forge]

I hate Baron

[serene forge]

yes

[tame sluice]

No U Dont

Liar liar pants on fire

[opal pine]

which is the best one here? (also don't mind the splash I got it at random)

[tame sluice]

You obviously ankh the shortcut here

[tawdry valve]

Pretty Desperate clearly haha

[minor portal]

incantation for stone card value

[tawdry valve]

definetly incantation for the stone card value

[white zodiac]

well I died

[lavish gazelle]

My condolences on your death

[opal pine]

ohhh I already ankhed the shortcut

[minor portal]

on jah

[opal pine]

is card sharp good?

for straights?

[minor portal]

Card sharp is good for any hand that is simple to make.

[opal pine]

so since I have two shortcuts it's good?

[flint hawk]

i would say incantation, only for the stone card value it gives