🕹・game-discussion

[thorny axle]

followed by aces

[heady narwhal]

i think it's between ace, five, and 8 personally and those each have their own benefits

[lament bronze]

I already said I meant it as a "Worst case it's actually ert detrimental best case it's unreliable"

[calm epoch]

yes but for fib

[lament bronze]

Several times

[thorny axle]

then 8s, 5s and 3s

[zenith timber]

should i worry about cerulean bell

[lament bronze]

Stop glazing a fucking near useless joker

[heady narwhal]

aces have grim, 5s have hack, and 8s have 8ball. of those 8 ball is the most likely to actually come up

[terse vale]

I still don’t get the detrimental part

[vale wharf]

High card 2 scoring 27k without levels is crazy

[thorny axle]

this some crazy ass bait

[terse vale]

well its like C to C+ its not thaaaat bad

[calm epoch]

😭

anyway im off to sleep

gn yall

[shell dagger]

Because it’s woke nonsense

[warped moth]

Scoring that much without chips is crazy indeed :o what's Hologram at?

[heady narwhal]

i think it's good to glaze near useless jokers because you need to use bad jokers to win a lot of the time

[shell dagger]

Detrimental my foot

[lament bronze]

If you're allowed the assumption of it working in an even close to a noticeable rate for your hypothetical, then my hypothetical of "At worst case" is allowed to assume it works as usual (Barely if ever)

[jolly relic]

how do i get luckier without being rich or a streamer

[lament bronze]

That's my point

[heady narwhal]

being rich is really the only option here

[latent egret]

play a lot

[vale wharf]

1.75

[latent egret]

you're bound to get great seeds if you have 1k hours

[lament bronze]

Playing a worse rank by tunnel focusing for a mediocre reward instead of focusing on anything else and forcing a hand is not good in the worst cases

[jolly relic]

i think thats like sort of the whole reason i wanna be lucky? so i dont have to sit around for 50 years just to get one okay run

[shell dagger]

playing a worse rank is better than playing into no ranks

[white zodiac]

i mean i don’t actively try to kill my 9s

[thorny axle]

8s... aren't bad???

[lament bronze]

It's not like marble in the way it's detrimental unless certain conditions are met (Hologram only) but it can be bad for your play to focus too much on such a low output joker

[latent egret]

you dont need luck to win

you need luck for naninf

or even ante 20

[thorny axle]

compare to 7s which get literally nothing (sans even steven) and jacks that get hit the road (shit joker)

[latent egret]

but ante 8 does not require luck

[jolly relic]

i just wanna beat my best hand

[warped moth]

This reminds me of the debate of red card being terrible because it is "detrimental" and whatever
You clearly don't use it as it should be used
There's not a single joker in this game that is completely useless (Except Seance) and building towards certain jokers and understanding their game was one of the things I loved most about getting C++ in Balatro

[thorny axle]

all seeds are winnable

[latent egret]

sans$

[jolly relic]

thats boring though

[lament bronze]

Forcing into one due to one bad joker instead of focusing on anything else is

[latent egret]

how much

[shell dagger]

in this scenario its focus on a “bad” joker vs focus on nothing

so i strongly disagree

[latent egret]

if its less than e15 you can beat it with glass and retriggers

[jolly relic]

1.879e64

[lament bronze]

Anything past ante 14 really, 13 and on kills even godly runs that get billions easily

[latent egret]

then baron mime it is

on plasma

[pale wolf]

what are we talkin about

[shell dagger]

focusing on value is never bad

[latent egret]

and playing a decent bit

[white zodiac]

8 for its value capacity can be fine as a probability joker when it’s not primary contributing to score requirements

[vale wharf]

I just got the same voucher twice in a row. Is that rare?

[white zodiac]

the general value of 8 ball for 100

[terse vale]

I mean there’s plenty of reasons to focus into a rank
8ball was there so i’d build into that

[shell dagger]

1 in 16 give or take

not unlikely throughout a run

[terse vale]

its not purely because of a bad joker

[pale wolf]

havent you seen doc use 8ball

[warped moth]

"8 Ball marry me" vs "8 Ball is an evil spawn of Satan"

[white zodiac]

one of the ranks i focus on for abandoned runs usually

[terse vale]

8ball atleast gives the possibility of building into the rank easier

[jolly relic]

for that run i had perkeo and observatory and stuff and i could also like swear my best hand was higher.. but idk

[white zodiac]

without direction

[lament bronze]

1/however many vouchers you currently have unlocked and not taken, if early on then yeah that's a little more likely than a lucky card payout

Increases if you exhausted one voucher and it's evolution

(?)

[latent egret]

using doc is like saying "but steph curry can shoot 98% in practice so how can you not"

[lament bronze]

Whatever you call the 2nd version

[vale wharf]

Does marble joker add the stone card to hand?

[latent egret]

nope

[shell dagger]

no, to deck

[latent egret]

to deck

[pale wolf]

well yes, if somebody said that half court shots are impossible to be consistent at

you can use 8ball effectively and not have to be doc

[white zodiac]

the explanation i reference doc for, rather than the achievement

[tranquil steppe]

Red card is pretty bad

[lament bronze]

Deck, but if this is for hologram then it still works

[shell dagger]

ok bub

[white zodiac]

ok red seal member

[lament bronze]

You just don't get it and skill issue incoming but nah it's not really bad it's just punishing for normal play

[terse vale]

[latent egret]

punishing for normal play ?

what do you mean by that

[lament bronze]

Good amount of growth irrespective of however many hands you play, you just lose out on getting maybe a kind of alright pack and using it

[terse vale]

I will never stop using this green fuck emoji

[white zodiac]

i will never stop using

[warped moth]

Red card is bad until you realize how incredibly strong +3 mult scaling is

• it's passive scaling at its worst (not actively scaling it), amazing scaling when you try a bit more towards scaling it

[lament bronze]

Normally if one player has cash they just get packs and gradually build up strength through them, especially if ones only form of tarot and celestial generation is that or getting them through shop, pretty normal behavior

So giving you on "Eh I could have used that shit enhancement" is a bit punishing if you don't change your mindset

It still is good and grows quite a bit more than even the pair multers without needing vouchers and dumping hands into it

[white zodiac]

also ig econ joker to rental joker proportions early game

[floral mural]

if an enhancment isnt gold for red card its genuinely not worth unless youre doing license

[lament bronze]

(You need blue deck and handsy to even grow at the same rate of +6 a round)

[vale wharf]

Is drivers license worth getting and selling the foil credit card? I have no chips sources

[floral mural]

and chips you find in planet pakcs i guess

[lament bronze]

Yeahs that's what I mean, ones usual line of thinking of gradual improvement with kind of alright tarot draws needs to go out the window or else red card just won't grow

[floral mural]

my lowest red card run was like 53

[warped moth]

What's your hand levels?

[floral mural]

ok 52 or 49

[vale wharf]

Nothing at all 😭

[warped moth]

Oh...

Uhhh

I mean it's 3X

Will driver's activate immediately?

[floral mural]

below 60 is rare for red card when other flat mult scalers hit 40 and thats great

[vale wharf]

No, I need 5 more enhanced cards

[pale wolf]

it takes a weird situation to be taking planets from planet packs with red card

[white zodiac]

my lowest red card run was 0

[floral mural]

no other chip sources and uou need mercury. or you have const

[warped moth]

What scores are you reaching rn?

[white zodiac]

your desired planet usually

[lament bronze]

Normally packs aren't godsents but people still take them constantly and don't complain about getting one magician every so often, you gotta kill that "I guess I can take this" for red card which is a bit of a sharp twist and punishing if you don't

[vale wharf]

40kish

[white zodiac]

and after diminishing returns, your secondary planet

[shell dagger]

photochad pivot

[warped moth]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhh 😭

[shell dagger]

take ur planets

unless it’s like wee or stuntman

[lament bronze]

Red card likes to have foil is all I've learned

[pale wolf]

yeah but you have to have no chip sources and also be about to die on scoring/ have a lot of mult already

for whatever reason

[lament bronze]

The person who brought it up already assumed no chip jokers as a hypothetical of why you would grab planets while having red card

[white zodiac]

ig this is highlighted more on harder decks from my experience

[lament bronze]

Nebula getting another L

Green not being able to pay up the packs passively too

[shell dagger]

no they just said a weird situation

[warped moth]

I don't think it will help you win but I also don't see the run surviving as it is either way so... worth a shot ig? Good luck -.- Don't forget to upgrade your hands

[zenith timber]

Bro wtf is my luck this run

[shell dagger]

ora ora

[zenith timber]

2nd legendary joker

[white zodiac]

the broke luck in question

[vale wharf]

I messed up so bad, it's a PERISHABLE and I'm getting 10k per hand now 😭
Thankfully, I got both the stone cards in my deck in one hand and got blue joker in the next shop

[zenith timber]

what y’all doing if I don’t drop the seed 💔

[white zodiac]

nothing

[floral mural]

generally tho even if your packs have constant hermits devils and other nasty stuff red card is still at a good chunk from just standards and celestials you dont need

[white zodiac]

i got cantata in 1 hour

[warped moth]

I will literally take a shower

[terse vale]

DROP IT NOW
I WANNA SEE A BEAUTIFUL SPRAWLING TREE

DROP THAT SEED

[floral mural]

only 40 mult how will i live? with 200 dollars thats how

if packs are great with red card youre not exactly losing

[vale wharf]

I'm going to cry, I started the round without buying blue joker 😭

[lament bronze]

Yeah didn't say otherwise, just said it to a hater because I do see how red card can have a lot of people who aren't willing to change their optimal play into it lose a run

Instead of blindly praising ig

Hater is gone anyways they just stopped "Red card ew" and dipped lmao

[zenith timber]

Drop brainstorm?

[white zodiac]

he’s known to do that

[pale wolf]

how many red cards are there

[zenith timber]

Current deck

[dark cairn]

magic deck gold stake complete https://medal.tv/games/balatro/clips/lHX9ks0Z8Pu5kZoMh?invite=cr-MSxBSHEsMzg1MjQ0MTcy&v=60

[white zodiac]

see this is where the ecto would have come in handy

[lament bronze]

Red card is good and it's output grows even more than the usual flat multers but I do think you guys assume that since you do everyone will do and tunnel focus into it without thinking how most people outside your head play

[dark cairn]

that was hilariously easy (photochad moment)

[zenith timber]

I know ☹️

[shell dagger]

i think you’re allowed like 5 before you have to withdraw

[zenith timber]

maybe just come back to dna later?

[floral mural]

oh red card,green joker , obelisk and other non intuitive jokers make no sense if you dont get told how to use them

[zenith timber]

I don’t want to die

[lament bronze]

It kinda does kill passive progression

[floral mural]

since by basic new player instincts all 3 are worthless

[zenith timber]

I need ecto

[vale wharf]

I'm so stupid ughhhh, I literally threw the freee run

[zenith timber]

Should I skip?

[dark cairn]

i was able to use red card as a newbie

[lament bronze]

So much grimbo hate in the Spanish community 💔💔💔

[white zodiac]

consistency wise i still take hand scaling mult above it first thing where card draw variance is at its highest, proportional to my scoring ability

[lament bronze]

But yeah let's not act like they didn't look ass until Doc brainwashed you into thinking they are good

[pale wolf]

uhh

[lament bronze]

(For most non intuitive joker)

[dark cairn]

grimbo looked horrible when i first played because i mostly played flushes lol

[white zodiac]

i forgot what i played starting out i think it was just high card

[pale wolf]

doc convinced me about other things

[zenith timber]

Skip in hopes of getting ecto?

[white zodiac]

pre isaac newton zebra

[terse vale]

oh boy

[dark cairn]

lets see here...
so the decks i've gold staked are: red, blue, yellow, magic, ghost, abandoned, checkered, anaglyph, and erratic

[vale wharf]

I swear, if I threw this seemingly free run...

[lament bronze]

I loved getting mad that Thunks fav was obelisk because that one felt so backwards until I realized that shit grows as much as hologram over something as simple as "Don't play level 4 three of a kind anymore"

[white zodiac]

did i convince you of anything

[pale wolf]

uhhh

[floral mural]

the whole concept of joker scoring kinds fell flat on me until i reached purple stake ngl

[dark cairn]

and the decks i have remaining are: black (NO), green (not yet), nebula, zodiac, painted, and plasma (also NO)

[floral mural]

like over my head to an extreme degree

"why use jokers when i can use planets endgame" now i just use what comes firsti guess

[low fog]

i got a natural ghost banana

[dark cairn]

Im thinking ill do nebula or painted deck next

[zenith timber]

I’ve done it

[dark cairn]

red banana

[zenith timber]

What’s next, dna or burglar?

[white zodiac]

was this back when it was 0.5x scaling without crashing

[white zodiac]

dna before a24

[dark cairn]

no money to reroll for serpent

[white zodiac]

the ghost overrated bit still not clicking on rip

[lament bronze]

Nah just generally

[white zodiac]

oh

[zenith timber]

Should I DNA the gold cards?

How long does it take to convert to red seal steel

[dark cairn]

i cant make it work

[zenith timber]

Or should I not worry about that and get my $ up

[shell dagger]

drastically

[dark cairn]

if i take it early and try to play aruond it i fail/die to scaling
if i take it late then it doesn't fit into my build

[lament bronze]

90% of the time you don't have enough planets levels to justify NOT picking up what will be a X2 in 2 rounds

[shell dagger]

cross the steel switch bridge when you come to it

[dark cairn]

because i usually focus on cranking up 1 hand

[dark cairn]

Uhhh not for me

and if i do then i haven't played a hand enough to make obelisk not a ticking time bomb

[white zodiac]

since it’s prob your first time doing this, your econ should be in the thousands rn

[zenith timber]

Should I worry if I scored this (without the steel, the steel just came in)

[zenith timber]

Yes probably, wasn’t as lucky earlier

[dark cairn]

only time obelisk would end up being useful for me i think is if i took stuntman + rtb/grimbo/red card

[lament bronze]

Easier to let it rip with any of the big reliable jokers at the start and then pivot out

[dark cairn]

but when i take stuntman i usually play high card

[shell dagger]

obelisk stuntman is slightly risky

[white zodiac]

this is where you pay attention to your scoring from before or have an ecto upstairs via 6th sense

[pale wolf]

I don't think ghost is particularly great but its def above zodiac:)

[shell dagger]

obelisk pairs very well with square and runner

[dark cairn]

wdym

[white zodiac]

we need to get you fixed

[lament bronze]

Opposite of potential man slander, the main reliable jokers you can always use to win

[dark cairn]

dont yo uwant to play as few hands as possible with obelisk to avoid hitting your most played hand

[lament bronze]

+mult

[pale wolf]

it depends on your situation

[white zodiac]

pants, shortcut, juggler, etc…

[shell dagger]

ideally you play as many as you can

[white zodiac]

what no you do the opposite

[compact tapir]

I was playing with cryptic mod then this happened

[shell dagger]

for vv protection etc

[white zodiac]

in case

[lament bronze]

Depends on situation, but with chip jokers you can pretty much grow a lot easily without scoring issues and that means you get x5 in a blink

[shell dagger]

if you build a 2pair stack then that gives you roughly twice as many shitimfucked hands

as a pair stack

[pale wolf]

It's less often that you're running out of hands to play, and more often that you pivot too late and run out of scoring
you should be pivoting later if ur running out of hands

[dark cairn]

thats great but it never shows up at the right moment

[pale wolf]

You can hold it until the right moment

[dark cairn]

and then i die because i need my current jokers or my money

[white zodiac]

it has 6 antes worth of wiggle room from my anecdotal insanity

[lament bronze]

Tldr if you are playing even with a small glass ceiling on top, there's not much the game can do to keep you close to hitting your final hand when you have an x6.4 joker on the go

[floral mural]

generally pivot at ante 5 start with obelisk id say

thats how i do it at least

[lament bronze]

Yeah you don't have to only build it from ante 1, you can just feed a few more of your desired hands, upping the ceiling, and then reaping the reward

[dark cairn]

usually the only way i can even make it to ante 5 is by playing 1 hand type

usually pairs

and 90% of the time i see obelisk its when ive taken supernova

[white zodiac]

mult source is pretty common to search for, unconditional chip source is usually where the difficulty comes (and ig the 14 hands you play before pivoting)

[lament bronze]

Simply put there has to be something terribly wrong with your entire play style if you somehow need to reach 10 hands several times while having an x9.4 surgically attached to your pocket

[dark cairn]

when did i ever say it was bad

[white zodiac]

so called other mult jokers

[dark cairn]

i just dont like it

[pale wolf]

stacks that make sense to have for obelisk: pair (duh), two pair (duh), straights (runner), flush (checkered/painted/noob), high card

[white zodiac]

you said you never found room where it works

two different things

[dark cairn]

more like it never appeared when i did have room for it to work

and vice versa

[lament bronze]

High card is the least encouraged because you can be forced into playing a high card, but you can never be forced to play a straight or a pair

[pale wolf]

idk if i ever saw a 3oak stack

[dark cairn]

it only appears when i dont have room for it

[pale wolf]

yeah but it still occasionally happens because you throw a lot of high cards while digging for bigger hands

or like reserved parking

[lament bronze]

Yeah that too but still, least encouraged between all of them

[dark cairn]

only time i was able to make obelisk work was when i did that monolith challenge

[white zodiac]

i think one of my 8 hand obelisk runs started with 3oak stack

[white zodiac]

or was tied to it

idk if that counts

[zenith timber]

Bruh

[pale wolf]

if the beginning stack was three of a kind then I think it would

[vale wharf]

What an absolutely legendary start to my run
The Balatro gods love me

[terse vale]

[pale wolf]

[lament bronze]

Potential man # and potential man #2 are undoubtedly better but it's hard to fight the 2nd coming of pre patch BloodStone in the popularity polls... 💔

[jolly relic]

how do i get out of stuntman in plasma

[shell dagger]

It’s hard to

you don’t have as good deckfixing

[pale wolf]

be very scared

[white zodiac]

planets, other chip jokers, two insane x mult boys, it's hard

[uncut umbra]

I have balatro mobile muscle memory I just tried to sell a tarot by dragging left 😭

[jolly relic]

i have 18 kings with 48 cards

[shell dagger]

what 4oak level

[dark cairn]

maybe ill be able to make obelisk work when i do painted deck idk

[jolly relic]

my highest planet level is level 2 pair

[vast delta]

woah, ui glitch

[shell dagger]

😢

[pale wolf]

oops! borked it

[vast delta]

wait its like all glitched now

there's the shadowy bit for the cards of the tarot pack still in the shop, and I can't use emperor for some reason

Even though all my tarot slots are full

[pale wolf]

well maybe you should think next time before hitting the screen

[vast delta]

chat were so cooked

[pale wolf]

I think you were supposed to exit the game to fix that before going into the next round

[vast delta]

no no, I didn't even go to the next round

I left the game and opened it up again, and this is just where I'm left now

[jolly relic]

yay i got out of stuntman with mime

[pale wolf]

ope

I'm pretty sure the run is broken

[vast delta]

yeah probably, that's okay I probably wasn't going to get very much further anyways

[low sorrel]

I like how you have the egg, lol 😆

[buoyant bison]

mfw people say blue stake discourages higher ranking hands

[vast delta]

lolol yep, negg (negative egg)

[serene forge]

i love hrt

[white zodiac]

what determines which most played poker hand is displayed on win screen

[buoyant bison]

highest ranking

[vast delta]

same :)

[vale wharf]

Is it worth keeping burglar instead of fire joker? (High card lvl 16 currently)

[thorn dust]

oh yeah.... it's obbin' time

[shell dagger]

yeah keep burgar

[woven spire]

obelisk runs are kinda hard but really fun

[barren wigeon]

I remember when I used to eat mcdonalds

that was yesterday i still eat mcdonalds

[barren wigeon]

not really

[woven spire]

not really hard or not really fun

[barren wigeon]

hard

[wary flicker]

yall

whats your fav joker

[woven spire]

I’ve messed up a whole obelisk run like twice, they hard for me because i can’t think

[barren wigeon]

grimbo

[woven spire]

Oops

[wary flicker]

both fair

altho I havent had a good oops run

e

[thorn dust]

it isn't actually when you know the right setup
runner was found ante 1 and obelisk was ante 2
i played a bunch of straights to strengthen runner until i couldn't draw them but by that time i had 10 straights, which gave me plenty of leeway to play anything else
i used suit changers to make straight flushes so i could continue upgrading runner and scale obelisk

and it was easy sailing when i got bootstraps

[barren wigeon]

bloodstone oops

fire

[wary flicker]

yh

ofc

[thorn dust]

all you need for a good obelisk run is a decent source of chips, a scaling mult joker and it's an easy win for gold stake

[woven spire]

was meant to be lol

[wary flicker]

yh but I feel like its so hard to use ob cause you need to use one hand a lot and then get to the others

[tranquil steppe]

It’s not great in terms of the resources you have to use (and give up) in order for it to work

[wary flicker]

Ive never had a good run with it

[woven spire]

Never tried it in gold stake tbf

[wary flicker]

yh red card is fun

[barren wigeon]

"Got" "bootstraps"

[wary flicker]

bull > bootstraps

e

[barren wigeon]

duh

bootstraps is one of the worst scaling mult jokers in the game

[fickle mesa]

only 10 is wild

[barren wigeon]

hold up let me see if I can think of a worse scaling mult joker

[fickle mesa]

bootstraps is still strong enough if u have runner and obby

[woven spire]

Also there’s the “Tec” to play your most played hand in the eye, it won’t reser the obelisk but it will count as played

[lament bronze]

2 for the low low price of NOT being able to find anything better and every rebate proc

[vale wharf]

I just had a gros michel for after 20 rounds

What a champ to stay through it all

[shell dagger]

Do you just never open packs then

[barren wigeon]

that sucks

[woven spire]

I would be mad lol

[thorn dust]

that can come in a ton of ways that might be unexpected

• runner + spare trousers
• green joker + banner
• any foil joker + red card
• bull + ride the bus

[barren wigeon]

...green joker + banner?

a whole 60 chips

wow

[wary flicker]

depends on stake

but e

[barren wigeon]

well if we arent talking about gs what are we talking about

[wary flicker]

it wasnt mentioned is all im saying

[vale wharf]

That was quite the run

[vale wharf]

Lol why

[barren wigeon]

copying card sharp?

why

[woven spire]

cavendish

[barren wigeon]

you only get Michelle for the cooler Michelle

[thorn dust]

in gold stake, all the combined modifiers make the builds very restrictive so you take what's presented to you, this combo is actually very good for the early stakes as you can play whatever without discarding and green joker lets you pass the blinds anyways

[barren wigeon]

you need her glow up

[woven spire]

they prolly just didn’t want to move it lol

[barren wigeon]

I mean

All youd need to do is copy cav

[thorn dust]

trust me i've gotten the completionist++ achievement, it's a lot stronger than it presents itself

[barren wigeon]

well im not sure how your achievements make your argument stronger but ok

NINERS SCORED

anyways

[woven spire]

obelisk was my first joker🥀

[wary flicker]

what

[cosmic sun]

you generally build up to interest cap and/or have econ to open two boosters per shop

by that logic campfire is bad

[heady narwhal]

unexpected
look inside
chips and mult

[thorn dust]

i've done this exact combo and won with it on gold stake

[barren wigeon]

and a lot of packs really suck

[barren wigeon]

congrats

[alpine halo]

wouldnt high card be a bad idea unless its for like an emergency

[barren wigeon]

you could probably win with throwback and idol if you tried hard enough

[thorn dust]

nah they suck on gold stake

[heady narwhal]

red card is free

[barren wigeon]

hence the last 5 words

[lament bronze]

"Unthinkable and creatives ways to win!"
"Be good at the game and focus in the only ways to win"

[alpine halo]

yeah but its guaranteed value in every pack since you can get something or you can get 3 mult

[lament bronze]

In most packs you're fishing for hermit or a particularly loaded temperance or +3, little else of value

With a flat multer that scales harder than any other, enhancements are useless

[vale wharf]

Scaling too fast

[heady narwhal]

would you rather spend $12 on 3 celestial packs to get +15 chips and +1 mult on your pairs, or would you rather spend $12 on 3 celestial packs to get +15 chips and +1 mult on your pairs and also +6 mult on your redcard

[lament bronze]

And since most planets don't reach the same output as +3 mult in one go while being rng, celestial packs are also free

Standard packs

+3 mult unless blue seal

[woven spire]

Chat, favorite tarot card in design?

[lament bronze]

Because blue seals are the single strongest mechanic in the game

[barren wigeon]

judgement or world

[lament bronze]

And as unbalanced as pairs

[alpine halo]

i had a few really good red card runs

[lament bronze]

Or as unbalanced as Thunks mental image of flushes is

[woven spire]

Have to agree on world

[lament bronze]

ANOTHER NERF FOR THE SINFUL JOKERS

[barren wigeon]

I like world because i watch jojos and it just looks nice

[compact bay]

Flush hater?

[woven spire]

Fair

[lament bronze]

Death is nice to look at

[heady narwhal]

they're called flushes because your run goes down the drain if you try to build for them or something

[woven spire]

i’m always happy to see it

[woven spire]

what about FLUSH five

[lament bronze]

Flushes are weak? Nono. That can't be, we haven't nerfed them nearly enough! Good game design needs flushes to suck even more!!

[heady narwhal]

flush five isn't real

[alpine halo]

yes and i learned this the hard way

[lament bronze]

Slaps one mult off of Onix Agate again

[wary flicker]

holy the flush hating community

[cosmic sun]

based

[compact bay]

Sorry bro

[alpine halo]

i set this as my name a while aog when i first started

[woven spire]

they are, i’ve seen it in drspectred videos

[heady narwhal]

stop doing secret hands

• years of gold stake yet no real-world reason to go beyond 4oak

[lament bronze]

I don't really hate flushes I just hate the treatment Thunk gives them

[alpine halo]

i kept discarding for flushes and enver got them lmao

[lament bronze]

Kneecapping bloodstone

[wary flicker]

Im being sarcastic tbh

[alpine halo]

all hail the royal flush build

[lament bronze]

Somehow deciding that nerfing the sinful jokers of all things is a sensible choice

[heady narwhal]

• want to go higher anyway for a laugh? we had a tool for that, it was called "straight flush"

[alpine halo]

black hole leveling

[lament bronze]

Same patch that still had old gold stake btw

"Yeah dudes flushes are SO strong in the 7 card in hand meta we needed to nerf the sinful jokers"

And also taking one mult from onix agate for flavor reasons because only Fibonacci can give 8 mult of course

[woven spire]

Royal flush is only good for one thing, Brainstorm, and you can’t even score when you want to unlock it

[lament bronze]

• Thunk probably

[heady narwhal]

it's because of s club 7 obviously

[wary flicker]

Wont flushes be indirectly buffed by wildcards being better?

[vale wharf]

Omg what
We went from 50m score reqs to 1.2b in one ante

[lament bronze]

"Pairs are too strong and simple and need 0 planning and only a small amount of counterplay to the whole (3) blinds that semi counter them? Nerf flush!"

[wary flicker]

yep ante 12 with scaling

[jolly relic]

what else do i need for a mime baron thingy

[lament bronze]

• Good game design lord

[woven spire]

copy jokers

[lament bronze]

Nono it's because good game design is when flushes are dodo

Smh

[vale wharf]

Ouch

[woven spire]

a reserve parking will get ur econ flying

[vale wharf]

Anyhow, 70% DSW!

[jolly relic]

i just got showman? should i delete rebate for that orr

[lament bronze]

I just really like to clown in how much people glazed Think during those times for absolutely shredding through any non pair non endless joker

But hey at least he managed to give red card a job in the same patch so

[heady narwhal]

squoker got worse!!

[vale wharf]

What's the best strats for jokerless?

[wary flicker]

nice

[heady narwhal]

and also more square

[woven spire]

Reserve parking is far better than rebate in that situation, so if you got the money to look for those, yh you can take it

[lament bronze]

As if the slowest scaling chip joker needed to get nerfed

[jolly relic]

i only have 176

[lament bronze]

But hey I like the square square jonkler

[wary flicker]

and balance changes are hard lets not be too hateful e

[lament bronze]

I just think he really got tossed out to the road for no reason

[heady narwhal]

i think it's balanced starting at +0

[wary flicker]

who doesnt

altho I take it pretty often lately it a bit boring

[woven spire]

idk then tbf

[heady narwhal]

it makes it a real tradeoff between higher scaling potential (runner/castle) and easy digging & lobotomy (squimbo)

[native rivet]

guys do i take the negative eternal rental photo

[lament bronze]

Not being able to play 5 card hands in anything outside of a potential man joker showing up in ante 1 feels as evil as stealing grandma's candy and kicking a baby down a flight of stairs

[heady narwhal]

always take negatives for temperance value❕

(don't do this)

[lament bronze]

"mMm no, you can't play a straight, you need to think about the pairs growth!!"

[native rivet]

lol

[wary flicker]

well

sacrifices

[lament bronze]

• Said the most evil and smallest scaling chips joker

[wary flicker]

you can play the straight lol

or you build scaling without as much money for hands

[heady narwhal]

castle literally scales by less but ok

and bull by even less

[wary flicker]

bull hatred not allowed

but yh castle is worse

[lament bronze]

Rq another balatrodle jab since bull decreases does it also get the scaling tag or does it get another arbitrary rule about it

[heady narwhal]

what arbitrary rules

[wary flicker]

id say its scaling

[lament bronze]

Just to also get a cop out since he decreases he can't be scaling 🧌

[heady narwhal]

no it's not

it's better than squimbo i'm just saying because squoker is +4 and castle is +3

and bull is +2

[summer jay]

How do I make a google sheet to list every joker

[heady narwhal]

i prefer squoker to bull though

[summer jay]

Oops wrong chat

[heady narwhal]

bull isn't always very viable

[wary flicker]

damn

[vale wharf]

Is there a challenge in Balatro like 2tc from btd6? Basically, it would be 2 jokers max, both eternals and gold stake

[lament bronze]

You steal one from someone who already did it

🔥

[heady narwhal]

kinda winmore i think

[summer jay]

[wary flicker]

Maybe Im biased towards bull because it won me my first goldstake run e

[lament bronze]

Unironically less than banner in most pairs runs in output

Because y'know you don't always want to keep hoarding cash past interest when digging for the shit you need

[wary flicker]

bull is good for the long run but

[lament bronze]

(and also rentals and such)

Need to stay over 30 bucks for it to match banner it's so over

[jolly relic]

how exactly am i meant to get e64 with this

or above

i mean

theres no spectrals

[barren wigeon]

got the trodle in 4

[barren wigeon]

"squoker" just say squimbo bruh

[grizzled yew]

How do green stake
I bad help me

[last bolt]

I DID IT (Progress %)

[lament bronze]

Xmult

In white stake you can maybe get away with only flat mult and additional chips

But green stake and on need Xmult

You'll unlock many more jokers with it later on but rn focus on whoever one has a square red box instead of red letters

[grizzled yew]

[lament bronze]

That is multiplicative mult, so if you have +30 mult in one jonkler, and have a X2

[void topaz]

ITS DROLL NOT DROOL

[lament bronze]

You will end up with 60 total mult

[void topaz]

WHAT

[jolly relic]

love how invisible joker js choses to copy the worst possible joker

nevermind i just got a negative its okay

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[lament bronze]

"Good game design" heads about to pull up and say actually it has an equal chance to choose any of your jokers and the game DOESN'T conspire against you

[serene forge]

I drool for

uhh

[grizzled yew]

eggmun

[tranquil oyster]

cruelty comes close.
idt a challenge like this would work in a game like balatro though, it's too luck based. even perfect play would still necessitate like 1000 resets.

[jolly relic]

a small 25% chance to choose the worst one and it had to happen 😡😡

[lament bronze]

Hey Star has a 1:20 chance to show up and it still does a disproportionately high amount of times, it's normal

Just watch out for the "Negativity bias" fed posting

[wary flicker]

It copied Triboulet last time for me so

e

[lament bronze]

You don't have a bias, you have the objective cognition of probability!

[serene forge]

common invisible jonkler L

[wary flicker]

Smug Im always confused by C++ in your name because its also a programming language lmao

[lament bronze]

Think of it like this:
1in4 chance to not fucking work

[tranquil oyster]

invisible joker is eh like 80% of the time but 20% it wins you the run

[wary flicker]

invis joker might be one of my favorite to see in shop ngl

[jolly relic]

how much stronger does troubadour make a mime baron thingy

[heady narwhal]

invisible is one of the worst rares imo

[wary flicker]

I get that but

gambling

[heady narwhal]

not because it's rigged or anything it's just winmore

[lament bronze]

Few exponents iirc, stronger than one uncopied DNA

Forgot le endless math

[paper echo]

bloodstone

[lament bronze]

One optimal king with one mime and one baron was like x15? More?

[wary flicker]

man I love playing below blue stake

3 discards go hard

[lament bronze]

I love basically playing red deck

[wary flicker]

yh red deck also god

[jolly relic]

i dont have enough money to reroll the boss...

[lament bronze]

So glad blue stake is getting reworked because even Thunk admits it's shit design and artificial difficulty

[wary flicker]

Im not sure how you rework it

[lament bronze]

Only thing I'm mad at is that I already finished c++ far before he even confirmed it 100% that he will

[wary flicker]

but theyll have sth in mind

[lament bronze]

Literally anything else

[wary flicker]

not true

what if its -2 discards

[lament bronze]

Every pack costs $1 more every ante 🧌

[jolly relic]

this is so sad

[lament bronze]

Artificial difficulty better just stay for the scoring requirements I want a new mechanic

[wary flicker]

yeah ofc

[lament bronze]

Not just "You probability has been fucked lmao eat shit and die"

[wary flicker]

its just new fun mechs are harder to make work so

we will see tho

[lament bronze]

Its a hard game sir

[grizzled yew]

I haven’t seen a single card that gives xmult since you told me this
Why did you hex me

[lament bronze]

(Adds -1 hand size again)

[wary flicker]

meant to design e

[lament bronze]

Our game is totally hardcore and well thought out!

[wary flicker]

but Im sure theyll work sth out

[tranquil oyster]

blue stake reworked to -1 hand coupled with scaling being rebalanced would be fun. return of the big hands.
(rip black deck though lmao)

[wary flicker]

Im really excited for new update altho its gonna take so hard

[lament bronze]

(rental only has a 25% chance to spawn alone)

[lament bronze]

Bro just proposed every deck get black deck treatment IN THE STAKE SMACK DAB AT THE MIDDLE OF THEM ALL and thought we wouldn't notice

We got a fucking psychopath here

4 increasingly harder stakes with a -1 as blue stake

Holy artificial difficulty

[tranquil oyster]

it'd be a lever to make complex hands better and easy hands worse. that's why scaling has to be changed as well.

[lament bronze]

On every single deck mind you

[deft panther]

I have no idea what could be done with blue stake

[lament bronze]

Only change to scaling I think is deserved is expanding on the great filter so godly runs aren't the same as kinda alright above average runs

Aka dying in ante 14 tops

[deft panther]

I don't like the sound of scaling pack price, but I've also seen people suggest stuff like big blind giving no reward money and I think that's even worse.

[lament bronze]

If not idol or baron

[lament bronze]

Yellow deck winning even in the most insane of hypotheticals

[deft panther]

I don't think removing any more of the current base money gain is the way to go for the blue stake rework

[lament bronze]

That's where you know your goat is real

Send whoever suggested no big blind cash to prison

[wary flicker]

yh

yellow is my favorite too

[lament bronze]

You cannot allow someone with such a filthy mind wandering amongst civilized people

[tranquil oyster]

money isn't the issue. reducing income just adds more luck based variance to the game.

[deft panther]

Yeah which isn't fun

[lament bronze]

At least Quasi suggested lesser scoring

[deft panther]

I would rather a static price increase in the shop than a base money gain reduction

[lament bronze]

But no bb money? As the MIDDLE difficulty?

Idk whatever thunk adds it has to be bearable for 4 increasingly harder stakes

[heady narwhal]

??

[tranquil oyster]

no bb money is half of cruelty

[lament bronze]

Can't just suggest a game breaking idea that changes how everything is played

[heady narwhal]

where does this number come from

[lament bronze]

(Notice how my Convo right until then was joking about negativity bias)

[deft panther]

My biggest issue with blue stake in my opinion is it just narrows the number of viable strategies or approaches you can take, just makes it so there's less ways the game can be played

[serene forge]

new blue stake should kill you if you ever pick up the idol

[lament bronze]

(Nothing ever changed)

[heady narwhal]

this makes the game easier smh

[serene forge]

actually not idol

baron instead

[deft panther]

It would make to easier if it removed baron and idol from the joker pool

[lament bronze]

But then who will post in the subreddit

[deft panther]

But they're still there as dead jokers

[lament bronze]

WHOOOOOOOOOO

[serene forge]

they still have dna and photochad its fine

[lament bronze]

Yeah but they will be ded

[heady narwhal]

new blue stake: all shop prices increase by $1 for each item purchased until next shop

[deft panther]

Make Hanging Chad uncommon

[lost vault]

alayro

[lament bronze]

Make rerolling also add to this

[serene forge]

uncommon hanging chad is a buff

[wary flicker]

Started a new run
Get Sly Joker
another pair run e

[deft panther]

Low-key I'm fine with that

[heady narwhal]

too many words imo

[tranquil oyster]

blue stake rework: if a hand scores less than 20% of the scoring requirement it straight up doesn't count. no chips, space joker, green joker, golden seals, etc...

[deft panther]

This makes me not fine with it

[serene forge]

fuck acrobat i guess

[lament bronze]

Thunk giving photochad a new coat of paint and a slight change in difficulty in exchange for also making it BBC value

(Kami upscale)

[lament bronze]

Okay yeah this person is just straight up insane throw them to Arkham

-1 hand but with scoring changes was almost credible but this is just needlessly cruel

[heady narwhal]

imo hanging chad + seltzer should have rarities swapped

[tranquil oyster]

this was a bit of a joke, but point is - pair/high card builds are the problem. a blue stake rework should be part of the solution of that problem.

[heady narwhal]

seltzer is one of the better retriggers imo but it'd be fun to get to use it more i think

[lament bronze]

Grimbo just gets his knees taken in exchange to revive pre patch BloodStone

[deft panther]

Pair high card builds aren't the problem, the other hand types not being viable is the problem

This is the worst way to fix that

[lament bronze]

If bloodstone can get nerfed because it's too strong then I think the overgeneralizing potential man deserves to be shot like a wet dog on the street

[tranquil oyster]

if hanging chad becomes uncommon one of the most fun plays in the game (fishing for photochad with riff raff) stops existing : (

[lament bronze]

Supernova stays as is because for pairs he's also doodoo

[heady narwhal]

bloodstone should apply red seal to played hearts instead imo

[wary flicker]

I dont think they will change chad

[tranquil oyster]

although, part of that stems from -1 discards making it harder to actually build complex hands.

[wary flicker]

insanely op holy

[deft panther]

Chad doesn't need changed

[wary flicker]

or depends on chance

[heady narwhal]

red seals are kind of ass imo so i think it'd be balanced

[wary flicker]

but fun idea for bloodstone

[lament bronze]

Other hands aren't viable because of discard and because pairs are absolutely too viable

[void topaz]

had this idea in my dreams

[lament bronze]

With them having the best dependable jokers

[wary flicker]

I think a guaranteed way to make glass red seals so easily makes this too op tho

[lament bronze]

It's a combination of the issues

[deft panther]

I've recently been converted to believing in ancient Joker

It won orange stake green deck for me

[heady narwhal]

you still need to make glass for that. not always easy

[deft panther]

I believe in it now

[wary flicker]

i havent believed much in ancient joker e

[lament bronze]

Straights already get as much scaling and output as mars does while needing 0 deck fixing to exist Ina sensible manner

Flushes

[wary flicker]

true but e

[void topaz]

what?

you didnt start liking it

[wary flicker]

i dont like ancient

[heady narwhal]

i don't like ancient joker

[void topaz]

what are you saying

[lament bronze]

Well yeah they could get a little push tbh I get that they are a noob trap but does that mean every single flush needs to be bad just because noobs use it?

[void topaz]

how do you lose with ancient joker

[tranquil oyster]

(also, nerf blue seals. they're insanely op & are a large part of why simple hands are as strong as they are now.)

[heady narwhal]

however it's not because it's conditional

[void topaz]

just read the boss blind

[heady narwhal]

conditional jokers are awesome actually. sly joker is better than foil in a lot of cases

[hearty tundra]

Do you guys like emperor or no

[void topaz]

its one of the jokers that depend on card scoring that you can play around the boss blinds

[deft panther]

I didn't like it before because I had the mindset of "Well it can choose suits that I don't have any of on my deck so there can be rounds where it just does nothing" but now I believe in it

[void topaz]

its a tarot card

[hearty tundra]

Yeah

[wary flicker]

I like gambling

[void topaz]

just

dont do that

[hearty tundra]

Like if its in packs do you generally gravitate towards it

Or would you rather take something guaranteed

[void topaz]

i mean if everything is ass

[serene forge]

I hate Plasma Deck

[void topaz]

this guy just did gold stake

[wary flicker]

emperor is my 7th most used

[deft panther]

No shit bro it's almost like I'm saying I used to believe that, as in past tense, not anymore, no longer believe that

[void topaz]

no but like

[tranquil oyster]

plasma deck just gets gigafucked by golden stake, both green and purple penalties hit twice as hard.

[deft panther]

But I know reading is hard for Balatro players

[lament bronze]

Plasma deck gets his hands cut off so I don't have to see it in every discussion and post in any social media

[wary flicker]

how THE FUCK do you believe that shit

[void topaz]

how could you believe that at the start

[deft panther]

Because I was new to the game and didn't understand how stuff worked shocking I know

[heady narwhal]

emperor is a top 6 tarot card. nearly everyone i've seen has hermit, temperance, hanged man, death, emperor, and fool as their top 6 in some order

[pale wolf]

because its antithetical to every other suit based joker's gameplan

duh

[wary flicker]

I was joking btw

[deft panther]

We should skin new Balatro players

[void topaz]

but your deck is entirely in your hands

[deft panther]

For not already knowing how shit works in the game

[tranquil oyster]

i'd take chariot over emperor ngl

[void topaz]

i understood on my first usage its a joker that uses a random suit so dont fuck with your suits

[serene forge]

I hate Bloodstone

[pale wolf]

hard L

[heady narwhal]

i'd not

[serene forge]

why

[heady narwhal]

steel cards are extremely situational

[lament bronze]

Trying to get mileage out of this

[tranquil oyster]

enjoy your moon + lovers

[void topaz]

chariots not doing anything with pairs really

[serene forge]

im good at this game so emperor always gives me hermit fool

[void topaz]

so true

[lament bronze]

Think some* of you guys assume that since you do then* everyone will do and tunnel focus into it without thinking how most people outside your head play anything

[heady narwhal]

i will! it's $2 and i get to block tarots for the rest of the shop

[tranquil oyster]

actually true wtf

[serene forge]

no seriously chariot is usually garbage so having a chance at getting something good instead is good

[void topaz]

no but like it says it on the card

[deft panther]

It's a Weird thing to be this hung up and superior about bro it's not that deep

It's just a game

[lament bronze]

And also emperor tastes better than chariot

[void topaz]

emperor over fool is wild lol

[pale wolf]

not really

[wary flicker]

emperor is gambling bros

we love gambling

[void topaz]

i mean fool is a pretty common take i would think

[heady narwhal]

judgement or high priestess

[void topaz]

theyre both free 2 bucks

[pale wolf]

sometimes the fool is just a planet

[void topaz]

ok thats true

[deft panther]

Fool is only as useful as the card its copying

[lament bronze]

The card doesn't tell you that the optimal way is to not focus on any suit, all the card tells you is that it changes suit every round, which means an optimal way to play it is to have a deck that can change to it's whim, but since it's a flush joker, a new person will just see it and think it's for flushing and then it doesn't work for their brand of flushing

[pale wolf]

i tend to use my blue seals instead of saving them for fool value which prob explains the difference

[hearty tundra]

So most consider its generally worse than the econ/thinning tarots, but better than the card/joker changing tarots

[pale wolf]

bc i want the chance of another planet in shop

[void topaz]

i just think like if it changes every time its gonna hit all the suits so you want all the suits

[lament bronze]

Just because you now think and can formulate a proper plan from a few words doesn't mean the card itself tells you

[void topaz]

my friends on their first usage got that too

[heady narwhal]

something like that yeah

[lament bronze]

• you have a 90% chance to have been told how to use it instead of figuring that shit out

[void topaz]

bro my friend was so ass at the game at first and he got it

[cursive lion]

what playing a roguelike for a year straight does to a mofo

[heady narwhal]

emperor is twice as good as the average tarot card <-- world's least useful analysis

[wary flicker]

just used emepror

[lament bronze]

Like most people do with most optimal strategies

[deft panther]

You're this hung up on something that I used to be wrong about and have now said that I've learned better and realized how it works, but you're still talking you're superior over something I used to think

This is just weird behavior at this point

[void topaz]

no im responding

[wary flicker]

why are we fighting over this lol

[lament bronze]

Even bringing up some total random as an excuse as if he wasn't told the game plan by Doc lmao

[void topaz]

were not really

[wary flicker]

some people just get some stuff earlier

[deft panther]

I dunno this guy is being fucking weird about it

[void topaz]

i just like think a thing

[pale wolf]

some people take hours to realize you can play less than 5 cards at a time, some people win their first run ever
the point on the learning curve you start at changes depending on who you are

[void topaz]

thats fair

[void topaz]

i can actually see the thought process there lol

[lament bronze]

Hopping on to the doc channel is less a curve and more a learning spear (Because chances are you will hurt yourself using it the first time)

[pale wolf]

if you watch the playlist for beginners then its okay

[void topaz]

🔥✍️

[pale wolf]

lol

doc doesnt make basic level entry vids much anymore because they're unnecessary for a lot of his audience

[void topaz]

did you just come up with that cause thats goated

[grizzled yew]

I tried to get xmult and ended up with only jokers that aren’t actual jokers

[lament bronze]

Yeah it won't be too bad but people will still take the wrong lessons or not fully grasp why he even suggest that and get their own learning spike on their eye

Which is the joke

[amber forge]

I don’t remember what I learned when first watching doc’s playlist, I just know afterwards I started playing better lol

[heady narwhal]

wasn't there the whole ante 1 small blind powerpoint

[void topaz]

i used to hold shit in fool for so long cause i saw people do it

like ive passed on hermit too many times to keep death in fool

[deft panther]

It took me a few runs to understand the value of destroying cards and removing them from your deck because in my mind I was thinking "Well that makes me less likely to draw a card that I might need to complete a hand to win" because I was also not aware of all the various ways to copy cards and enhance cards and add new cards to fix the deck because I never played a deck builder game before

[void topaz]

ok i feel like now your hung up on it

[lament bronze]

Normally I diss him for basically just industry planting a lot of jokers or strats but he is good for starters, just have seen how many people take his lessons without fundamentals and then crash into a wall

Which isn't his issue

[pale wolf]

-# i mean spears are one of the easiest pieces of weaponry to safely wield and the "sharpness" of the learning curve isnt something you're being pushed into, its something you're sort of "climbing"

[void topaz]

is square joker useable for new players

[lament bronze]

It's definitely their issue

[void topaz]

im tryna picture it

[heady narwhal]

"+2 chips hiker would be better than runner" -drspectred

[dry remnant]

oh how i love ancient joker

[lament bronze]

AND PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY STARTED PAROTING IT

[void topaz]

red card got us here

[lament bronze]

He can say anything even something completely against what he normally says and you will have an entire week of discourse about it

[last raven]

bro has been standing at his desk for over a year making the same content 🥀

[deft panther]

People do this for all kinds of video game YouTubers and it's actually so bad for the games and their communities I feel

[void topaz]

yeah but like the point is gotten across eloquently

[lament bronze]

Waiting for him to bait his audience into "Econ sucks balls" to see the drones try to make sense of it

[pale wolf]

YOU HAVE AN OPEN SLO oh its painted

[wary flicker]

vagabond supremacy

[heady narwhal]

"i don't like stm" -drspectred

[dry remnant]

it was kinda just stuck there after ante 1

[lament bronze]

Oh yeah my bad that was a bad example vagabond is my boy

Vagabond upscale

[void topaz]

i want him to just go " 8 ball is better than vagabond cause of econ" and see what happens

[dry remnant]

yep sad

had to sell socky buskin

[pale wolf]

vagglebond is the best

[sleek sail]

Yall ever have a silly castle that refuses to change suits?

[lament bronze]

He will say pairs aren't as great as they are made up to be and suddenly this entire channel will be a warzone

[void topaz]

yall ever have a silly castle

YES

YES

[pale wolf]

if its the good suit then thats awesome

[lament bronze]

No deliberation past "They just aren't haha"

And you will see it

[dry remnant]

8 ball is my biggest opp after my flush 5 with 8's and it never hit

[void topaz]

ok picture it like this

[pale wolf]

I mean we safely know to disregard his tier lists already

[sleek sail]

It's hearts on plasma and early in the run, so it ain't specifically bad

[humble gulch]

Do I fun myself or I pick rocket instead and win?

[void topaz]

thats like missing 5 wheels of fortune

now its more understandable

[void topaz]

ahhh bufoon packed

[pale wolf]

rocket to win

[lament bronze]

Yeah he just loves to make industry plants in his tier list lmao

[void topaz]

its green stake though so brainstorms goated

[acoustic kettle]

What if wheel can make negatives

[dry remnant]

is castle even a valid pick

[acoustic kettle]

At like

[lament bronze]

Waiting to see which joker will get the praise if the week after he glazes it as a joke

[acoustic kettle]

1 in 100

[pale wolf]

yea

[void topaz]

ok so hear me out

5 dice

perkeo

wheel

infinite negatives

[humble gulch]

It's my second savefile tho, I want to complete it fast

[dry remnant]

does it take what u have or any suit

[pale wolf]

it picks from deck

[void topaz]

if you wanna win fast then brainstorms your guy

[dry remnant]

oh that's cool

[lament bronze]

NEXT VIDEO DOC SHADOW DROPS HOW USEFUL SUPEROOSITION IS AND YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE SAYING IT SHOULD ALLOW WRAP AROUND STRAIGHTS MARK MY WORD

[pale wolf]

the only one that doesnt pick from deck is ancient joker

[dry remnant]

zebra changed his pfp, me no likey. change is scary

[lament bronze]

"Superposition world record!"

[wary flicker]

ok I might be

[void topaz]

that would be cool though

[wary flicker]

turning around on obelisk

cause I had a pair run with 27 uses

got obelisk

[pale wolf]

wouldnt it be the other way around

[wary flicker]

holy shir

[lament bronze]

He didn't even do it and we already got a victim of the media brainwashing

[acoustic kettle]

5 dice is not 100x

[pale wolf]

why would you buff a good joker

[void topaz]

no yeah

but like its enough

WAIT

IM STUPID

that wouldnt even affect it

[pale wolf]

i didnt

[dry remnant]

superposition is too niche for me personally, it's a take on 1 out of 20 runs

[void topaz]

its not a written propability

[lament bronze]

Because it's something I already see with it + I have seen some discourse about hiker and other jokers he says are fine or good and then some people say how they could be even better

[serene forge]

I love Burger

[pale wolf]

fewer

[void topaz]

food joker version of burglar

[lament bronze]

Also to make fun to the wrap around superposition idea

As per usual

[void topaz]

gives +6 hands reduces by 1 hand each round

[dry remnant]

how often are u playing straights lol

[pale wolf]

wraparound straights seems fine idk

[acoustic kettle]

Had the crziest superposition run

[sleek sail]

My castle broke its 6 round streak. It has failed me for the (not) last time

[pale wolf]

i dont see the big issue

[wheat haven]

This is a very good start

[acoustic kettle]

Ace straights for like 7 hands in a row

[wary flicker]

its a cool idea but I dont get why ppl dont get that the superposition concept is either top or bottom

e

[lament bronze]

They seem fine but needing a whole joker is so buns + breaks design

[void topaz]

water isnt wet ahhh take

[heady narwhal]

hiker should be +5 chips +1 mult

[lament bronze]

Two poles

Must... Mean, that the poles can connect...!1!1!!1!1!1

[void topaz]

hmmm

[wary flicker]

yh I got polychrome red card now so

[void topaz]

now lets dwell on this

[pale wolf]

besides multiple effects but like, tcard and sixth sense destroy cards with secondary effects

[lament bronze]

Also not even taking away the tarot generation

[wary flicker]

must mean poles are one pole !

[acoustic kettle]

+5 chips to card +1 chip to self

[void topaz]

oh my god

this

[lament bronze]

2AKQJ1!1!1!!1

[void topaz]

is balala

[pale wolf]

you could argue 4 fingers has 2 effects

[void topaz]

its 1 chip better than square joker goatt

[deft panther]

4 fingers my beloved

[heady narwhal]

wait does that mean it upgrades the first card by +5, then the second one by +6, then +7, etc?

[void topaz]

grunkle ford cries in the corner

[heady narwhal]

quadratic scaling hiker?

[pale wolf]

hiker naneinf coming

[acoustic kettle]

No hiker becomes a +chip joker

Like squimbo

[sleek sail]

You summoned me a square joker

[acoustic kettle]

Squimbo or squoker

[void topaz]

squimbo

squoker is what they called me in high school

[pale wolf]

im the squoker

[dry remnant]

ante 1 with a hanging chad, lucky card just hit 2 $20 and a 20 mult

[void topaz]

yeah i kicked down the door and said that every day

[sleek sail]

Fancy

[heady narwhal]

why so squerious? -the squoker

[void topaz]

it costed them alot of money to replace the doors

[pale wolf]

spongebob should have a branded collab with balatro and squilliam added as a legendary joker

[void topaz]

doctor joker be like "why so strenuous"

[serene forge]

the buh buh buh

the buh buh buh

[void topaz]

baby bye bye bye

[pale wolf]

Arby's

[heady narwhal]

new challenge concept: score is calculated as chips + mult

[sleek sail]

Baby back baby back ribs?

[heady narwhal]

i'm sure this is very possible

[pale wolf]

ok chat im stuck, should I pull out the calc

[void topaz]

ok so just like

you focus on one

[dry remnant]

now is that a risk worth taking

[wary flicker]

ive never got this far into gold stake

e

[heady narwhal]

it's like plasma deck if it sucked even more

[wary flicker]

we pray for chad/lucky

[void topaz]

now tell me

[dreamy creek]

pull out the calculus

[void topaz]

how are you getting out of ante 1

[dreamy creek]

start calculating probabillities

[serene forge]

diamond flush

[wheat haven]

I got a yorick now you nerd

[serene forge]

pants isn't risky at all

[void topaz]

i forgot to mention that i believe that water isnt wet

[wary flicker]

yorick so goated man

[dreamy creek]

can you prove water isn't wet

[void topaz]

the water

make the wet

[pale wolf]

like this plasma rework i thought about

[void topaz]

water not ontop of water it become the water

[dreamy creek]

ok but is lava wet

[void topaz]

what

[void topaz]

uhh

no

[heady narwhal]

yeah except the blind requirements are unchanged

[void topaz]

have you seen it

[amber forge]

Unfortunate time for ancient joker to show up

[dreamy creek]

:3

[void topaz]

how

just make theo ther ones

[serene forge]

I love Green Joker

[void topaz]

you got this king

[dreamy creek]

what noo!!! how are the nan inf pilled fellers gonna get big 1x10^308 now!!

[serene forge]

bro why'd you take an eternal hack

[pale wolf]

yea lol

[amber forge]

First run of the day, thought I just see where it went

[green stone]

there is a way to manipulate invisible joker drop
but I'm keeping it safe with me myself and I

[void topaz]

for the ancient joker obviously

[serene forge]

reasonable

[green stone]

[void topaz]

you sell

[serene forge]

we know

[wary flicker]

i dont know

[green stone]

😱

[shell dagger]

sometimes if you get Fibonacci then you want a hack 2, ahh

[green stone]

[pale wolf]

plasma if it was a little easier to parse your scoring

[void topaz]

or you speak into your device what joker you dont want it to land on but say it like you want it to land on

[amber forge]

Probably taking drunkard (I know green might be better, I just don't like it lol)

[void topaz]

fortune teller build

with hack i guess

[pale wolf]

use chips+mult but the blind scores are 2×√ their normal blind requirement

or something

[sleek sail]

But what about number go brrrr

[shell dagger]

evil plasma deck: differentiates your chips and mult before balancing

[pale wolf]

what

[sleek sail]

Pfft

[void topaz]

it would just make the antes go higher

cause it would get to 308 later

i think

[pale wolf]

oh true

[shell dagger]

also differentiates the ante needed to win so it’s fine

[heady narwhal]

i think this would be nice because one of my main complaints with plasma is that i never know how many points i'll score or how much scoring i need to get through the next blind

[pale wolf]

it would be very interesting to play/watch

just to see

[heady narwhal]

however uou have to consider that playing multiple hands is way more powerful in this version than in current plasma

in current plasma playing 1 hand with 200 chips+mult is equivalent to playing 4 hands with 100 chips+mult each

[pale wolf]

oh yea...

[heady narwhal]

so while it doesn't look like it at first glance this is actually pairs

scandalous

[amber forge]

I better not loose this, best luck you can ask for on your first run of the day lol

[void topaz]

ok you saythat

with an eternal hack

your mult is

[sleek sail]

Eternal hack can be good

[void topaz]

and i qoute

FORTUNE TELLER

[heady narwhal]

type of run where you die in ante 5

[austere pike]

hi, i am planning on getting Balatro but i wanted to know if it is worth it in 2025 and what gameplay is like?

[void topaz]

yeah its not here though

[shell dagger]

it is worth it

[void topaz]

thumbs up emoji