🕹・game-discussion

[pale wolf]

I had this idea for some reason before

[heady narwhal]

daily challenge was originally planned i think

[white zodiac]

bazaar deck on extra credit

[shell dagger]

Friday stinger

[tranquil cargo]

that would unironically be a helpful effect for a lot of players

[tough ruin]

That would be nice, however there is the situation of an achievement of “beat jokerless on gold stake”

[tranquil oyster]

this would make the game substantially easier.

[white zodiac]

whuh

[heady narwhal]

iirc there's a localization string that says "Daily Challenge!" or similar

[hasty harness]

most of the time that stake effect does like nothing tho

[heady narwhal]

@grok is this true i might be making things up

[safe moat]

It affects the 1st ante so much

[cloud sinew]

it would not make the game easier, it would teach people to play better.
removing skip tag opportunities would make the game harder but it's that most people play suboptimally

[serene forge]

anything that makes skipping worse is a good thing in my book

[white zodiac]

well I was more thinking about btd6 implementation of daily challenges

[wintry ice]

it would mainly impact anaglyph

[floral mural]

simply make choosing stakes for challanges something not considering for achievements

[wintry ice]

which is already mediocre

[heady narwhal]

stake that does nothing

[safe moat]

Skipping can very rarely have its upsides

[hasty harness]

i only really skip for investment tags on ante 1 so 🤷

[tranquil oyster]

no i mean when compared to the -1 discard blue stake has rn
overall it'd still be a nerf, just much less so. you'll lose that 25 dollar ante 1 tag once in a while i guess

[serene forge]

depends on if you're a bad player or not

[heady narwhal]

i think big blinds should have two tags

[serene forge]

yes

[stark karma]

I did it

I'm finally free

[shell dagger]

should bosses have 3 tags

[tough ruin]

If anything, no tags on small blind is arguable better than small blind gives no reward

[white zodiac]

also kinda just incentivizes the wrong way of playing in a general sense which gets to play less of the game

[pale wolf]

lmfao

[hasty harness]

congrats

[floral mural]

and thats how it should stay. playing the game should be preferred

[stark karma]

thank you

[cloud sinew]

it absolutely would be

[stark karma]

and thanks for everyone who helped

[heady narwhal]

fullskip round 0 win🔥

[safe moat]

Lemme just skip the boss rq

[pale wolf]

what if the boss blind gave you a tag for winning it

[hasty harness]

now get ante 39

[stark karma]

anaglyph deck

[serene forge]

i hate Plasma Deck

[tough ruin]

Anaglyph deck

[heady narwhal]

anaglyph deck if it was good

[hasty harness]

guys why cant i skip the plant! my photochad combo cant beat it 😔

[pale wolf]

but without having to actually skip

[stark karma]

rolled down to 0 dollars and sold all my jokers out of spite

but I get what u mean

[cloud sinew]

this as an anaglyph rework would be awesome

[heady narwhal]

booster tags are janky when you don't get them outside of a round

[tranquil oyster]

they should change the completionist system. rn you get all "lesser" stickers if you finish a run on gold stake, imo it should get reworked to requiring all eight stickers for c++.

[pale wolf]

I don't want anaglyph to be reworked nor do I think it would make sense thematically

maybe a new deck though as a sister deck to anaglyph

[tough ruin]

Fair point, but hear me out. The plant gives you an ethereal tag for winning.

[white zodiac]

choose a double tag or a random generated one

[shell dagger]

boss reroll tag would be rather unfortunate

[white zodiac]

red pill blue pill

[cloud sinew]

turning a 150 hour achievement into an 800 hour achievement would not be a good idea

[hasty harness]

i mean lowkey u could actually maybe do it

[pale wolf]

The tag? I mean I guess it would just
scroll past the next boss

[tranquil oyster]

it would be funny, which is thematically fitting.

[stark karma]

how's that lmao

[shell dagger]

essentially does nothing

assuming it happens right after the previous boss

[hasty harness]

if u sold a copy joker for bean and did the bean bug on ante 32 with enough bean bug hits

you could do it

[pale wolf]

You could also just exclude some tags from being the boss tag

[cloud sinew]

could always just limit the tags that can be given this way

[pale wolf]

predicted

[heady narwhal]

no it doesn't! it disables directors cut!!

[stark karma]

could have maybe

whatever

[shell dagger]

true…

[pale wolf]

it gets worse

[stark karma]

not really interested

[hasty harness]

fair enough lol

[wooden aspen]

How do i Win

[cloud sinew]

it also uses up double tags if you had them

[shell dagger]

ouch

[safe moat]

Are you going to die?

[pale wolf]

Justice on the queen seems okay

[heady narwhal]

new blue stake: it's just blind scaling again

[safe moat]

Purple stake is done for

[pale wolf]

looks like I main Blue stake now

[wooden aspen]

Maybe idk

My ixe cream at 60

[cloud sinew]

what if uhhh

[wooden aspen]

Do i pivot off of straights?

[tranquil oyster]

new blue stake: playing pair or high card resets your money to $0

[wooden aspen]

The only planet ive used this run is venus once

[hasty harness]

new blue stake effect: you play each blind, BLIND

is my writing fire

[heady narwhal]

1 in 4 cards are drawn face down

[wooden aspen]

Its a win win right

[safe moat]

No

[cloud sinew]

sticker; -15% base blind size, base blind size increases by 5% every ante

[wooden aspen]

If it breaks x2 mult if it stays x2 mult

[hasty harness]

violet vessel of doom

💀

[safe moat]

That’s way too fast no?

[hasty harness]

also petroglyph and hiro get very bad

[cloud sinew]

how is it too fast

[heady narwhal]

no?

[cloud sinew]

they already are

[tough ruin]

Blue stake effect: each round played increases blind size by 2%, compounded.

[heady narwhal]

if you get this ante 1 it'd probably be beneficial tbh

[hoary jay]

hell yes

[hasty harness]

i still take them a good bit to scale like holo

or grimbo

not always but sometimes

[safe moat]

Too slow

[heady narwhal]

i'm sort of but not really working on a mod where you can choose basically any combination of stake additions including both the things that already exist + some new stake ideas

[cloud sinew]

it's net neutral if you take one a5 or beneficial if you take it later, it's net negative if you take it early (relative to a8 base blind size)

[cloud sinew]

this would be positively non-compounding btw

[radiant sluice]

SHOULD I CHANGE IT? Photograph to hanging man?

[safe moat]

Wait so it’s still the same blind scaling?

I don’t get it

[heady narwhal]

up to 4 "faster scaling" things, small/big/boss blind rewards, various stickers, etc etc

[cloud sinew]

yes and no*

[pale wolf]

I've always thought this is how the game should work to begin with

[cloud sinew]

plasma is 2x base blind size

[pale wolf]

once you beat gold stake you should be able to enable and disable stake effects at will

[ocean lily]

yeah, more retriggs for the idol/trib, also is that a nat neg trib or did u ecto it

[heady narwhal]

crazy black deck gold stake ante 8 win

[pale wolf]

oh you said additions

[radiant sluice]

IM ON ANTE 17

[pale wolf]

rip

[pale wolf]

impossible

nobody's done it before

[heady narwhal]

?

[cloud sinew]

plasma doubles the blind size, but it doesnt affect the scaling before the doubling.
this would do the same just by -15% at first and then +5% every ante

[radiant sluice]

I KNOW ITS NOT NANINF ROLL BBUT HOLY SHIT

[white zodiac]

source? :3

oh

[wooden aspen]

W

[heady narwhal]

i mean like you can play "gold stake without the -1 discard" or various other combinations

[radiant sluice]

SO CHANGING TO PHOTOGRAPH TO HANG CHAD
W?

[safe moat]

So it would be slower than plasma

[ocean lily]

@radiant sluice

[radiant sluice]

ALRIGHT

THANKS

[safe moat]

Wait but what makes it more difficult?

[cloud sinew]

with one of them yes

[cloud sinew]

the blind size increases...?

[safe moat]

Yeah

And?

[cloud sinew]

and it stacks?

[cloud sinew]

do you not see how that makes it more difficult

higher blind size = more score needed

[safe moat]

Yeah

And?

[cloud sinew]

youre ragebaiting or youre stupid

[safe moat]

This much score

[safe moat]

You’re impatient

[lyric shore]

i bet u think vv is the easiest ante 8 boss huh

[cloud sinew]

from one joker

[heady narwhal]

i think the big problem here is that you'd get all of these very messy numbers

especially w/ multiple copies

[safe moat]

Nah

[white zodiac]

1.0 blind requirements 💔

[terse vale]

I don’t know if its +5% of base score or if its exponential

[cloud sinew]

it's not compounding

it's additively scaling not multiplicative

[heady narwhal]

i think having a sticker scale over time is a little weird

[terse vale]

ohhh

[safe moat]

It’d arguably make the early game easier

[heady narwhal]

that said i also think rentals should cost $ equal to ante each round so it's a bit hypocritical

[lyric shore]

wym arguably

[cloud sinew]

rental makes the game easier in a lot of ways

i dont see that as a problem if it gets harder on average +/ adds skill expression

[safe moat]

What crack are you on

[cloud sinew]

do you disagree that rentals make the game easier in a lot of ways?

[safe moat]

It doesn’t

[heady narwhal]

would the sticker scale retroactively?

if not i think this would make the game easier

on average

[safe moat]

Yeah

[heady narwhal]

easier early game means an easier late game

[marsh needle]

Omg the ankh actually could be the play it wouldnt be all that bad

[white zodiac]

it has a lot of tech use

[terse vale]

? wait sticker

[cloud sinew]

campfire with non-eternal rentals, non-eternal rental chaos, non-eternal rental cola, non-eternal rentals with temperance, non-eternal rentals to remove them from the pool...

[terse vale]

I thought the thibg was a stake

[heady narwhal]

plus i'm not usually bringing abstract joker to ante 8

[cloud sinew]

there are a LOT of ways that rentals make the game easier and add opportunities for skill expression

also they can be bought if you didnt have enough money to buy them at base

because they cost $1

basically every joker is buffed by being rental if non-eternal in the short term

[marsh needle]

Today:
yesterday:

[heady narwhal]

this only helps for rebate specifically i think because most other rentals will just kill you

when you have less than $10

maybe rough gem or parking

[safe moat]

Business card my goat

[cosmic sun]

run of all time

[pale wolf]

have you never bought a rental to use during the round and sell it before the end of the round

[cloud sinew]

i have personally experienced almost all jokers being helped by being rental if i couldnt already afford them at base

[white zodiac]

riff raff is a good example

[lyric shore]

one time i got a rental seance to proc

[safe moat]

Well that only works with very few rentals

[pale wolf]

luchador

[cloud sinew]

that works with every single rental basically

[lost vault]

bohlatro

[white zodiac]

I can think of far more than a few

[safe moat]

Why sell something if you need it though :<

[cloud sinew]

because its rental

[pale wolf]

Not true at all, putting aside any value generation effects like riff Raff or something, you can still just take a rental scoring Joker to pass the round with more hands remaining, as long as you don't win in the first hand

[cloud sinew]

name a single joker that isn't/can't be helped by it being rental non-eternal and using it in round

[safe moat]

I see

[pliant jewel]

honestly riff raff is good enough that you'd keep it with the rental fee assuming you don't have many good jokers yet

[marsh needle]

Yeah i do that sometimes ^^

[safe moat]

8 ball

[cloud sinew]

8ball generates value in-round wdym

[lost vault]

credit card

[heady narwhal]

to the moon

[white zodiac]

rental determines how much long term value im using a joker in opposition to how much value it achieves short term or in one shop/round before exiting

[pliant jewel]

you do know you can play 8s without ending the round right

[lost vault]

actually credit card doesnt matter cuz its 1 dollar anyway

[cloud sinew]

8ball generating a tarot and then selling it before the end of the round is absolutely a benefit wdym

[safe moat]

Yeah but you just bought 8 ball for no reason

[pale wolf]

correct

[white zodiac]

I was more referring to not being able to afford it r1 under worst circumstances

[cosmic sun]

ok and it cost nothing

[cloud sinew]

"for no reason" FOR POTENTIAL VALUE

[pale wolf]

although to the Moon is still worth it most of the time if you're not broke

[lost vault]

oh i got one

shitman

[pliant jewel]

you bought it for 1 dollar, and sold it for 1 dollar, wow massive loss

[lost vault]

showman

cuz he never gets value anyway

[pale wolf]

maybe you take it so that cartomancer can generate a duplicate death

[cosmic sun]

it's not exactly a gamble either if you lose nothing, you could gain a really good tarot out of it

[radiant sluice]

áIts over

But it was a good run

[pliant jewel]

to be fair you lose a hand playing 8s

[cloud sinew]

baseball, abstract, swash. showman's effect doesn't matter much in-round

[heady narwhal]

anyways i think "-15% base blind size, increases by 5% each ante" is a weird and bad sticker and i would rather just have another blind scaling stake personally

[pliant jewel]

but thats not the fault of the rental sticker

[lost vault]

rah

[quick solar]

holy shit

[lost vault]

i mean tbf its 1 mult for swash

[white zodiac]

I lose a hand playing any hand

[lost vault]

not wmazing

[cloud sinew]

free is free

[lost vault]

truth

[charred spruce]

o7

[cloud sinew]

also non-eternal rentals are huge for dagger which i havent mentioned yet

[lost vault]

eh

[cloud sinew]

it's not huge scaling but it's econ efficient

which matters a lot

[lost vault]

tgats ture

[white zodiac]

more dagger options

[safe moat]

Am I missing something?

[cloud sinew]

2 mult for $1 is a very good tradeoff

[cloud sinew]

absolutely.

you aren't paying attention to what we're saying

or you're not understanding what we're saying

[white zodiac]

gguh

[lost vault]

ye my only ick is that it costs time

ig

[safe moat]

Well that’s rather assumptive

[pale wolf]

How do you mean

[lost vault]

dagger can only scale 23 times without heiro

[white zodiac]

why do you mean

[pliant jewel]

i still kinda dont like dagger because in addition to requiring you to spend monkey on jokers every round it also effectively reduces your joker slots by 1 while scaling

[lost vault]

so it costs a round for a relatively low mult gain

[white zodiac]

in a bottle

[wintry ice]

i like dagger because it'a very different from the other scaling jokers

[heady narwhal]

what do you mean

[lost vault]

time is money

[cloud sinew]

it doesnt cost a round though because you would go to the round anyway

[wintry ice]

that's the case with every scaling joker

[white zodiac]

highest money to mult ratio for the purpose of scaling it once per round

[heady narwhal]

i like dagger because it's more fun to play than rtb and grimbo and maybe redcard

[lost vault]

wofg idk how to explain this

[safe moat]

Dagger only triggers once and you have to give it some big sell value jokers for it to do somethings

[pliant jewel]

was that reply intended to be relevant to my message

because it was not

[lost vault]

i mean it costs dagger a round

or soemthing

maybe immnot cooking

[white zodiac]

i like the sound it makes

[pale wolf]

think of it this way, it lets you scale dagger for essentially free when you're below interest

[safe moat]

It was?

[pale wolf]

It's not that you're at $50 and you're choosing to kill a rental instead of a rare Joker

[safe moat]

But some scaling joker scale better?

[heady narwhal]

ueah it makes dagger more viable early

[pliant jewel]

what does dagger triggering once has to do with the fact that it forces you to play with 1 less joker if you want to scale that round

[white zodiac]

dagger can stop scaling at a certain point so a joker slots isnt always required

[pale wolf]

Dagger and stencil are friends I think

[lost vault]

if costing you 1 joker slot gets you killed then just dont run dagger

[white zodiac]

meh

[pale wolf]

I don't think that's really how it works

[pliant jewel]

okay but that joker slot can be used for other things than removal

[safe moat]

It’s not reasonable if it can only trigger once

[pale wolf]

You start with the dagger and then you play with the limitation

[lost vault]

it sure can

[pliant jewel]

???

[quick solar]

guys what do i take here

[white zodiac]

dagger on painted 💔

[pale wolf]

I think I might have done this before

[lost vault]

are we talking about a challenge

[quick solar]

better gold or more gold

[white zodiac]

of course

[pale wolf]

we're talking about the normal time frame that you would normally take scaling +mult

[pliant jewel]

yeah and my point is that it takes up a slot that could otherwise generate value in some other way

[lost vault]

fair

[fervent wolf]

What's all this talk about me?

[heady narwhal]

incorrect take: throwback is good because runs where i'm skipping blinds are often the runs where i need the most help. it's the opposite of winmore

[white zodiac]

within the first three antes idk

[pale wolf]

basically you suck and you're getting removed from the game

[fervent wolf]

Oh nice

[lost vault]

its a pretty good mult scaler in my experience

[pale wolf]

I made that up

[pliant jewel]

im not saying its bad

[fervent wolf]

Damn it

[pliant jewel]

im saying is that it doesnt feel nice to play with 1 less joker slot

[pale wolf]

I just realized that your name doesn't say negative, it's instructing us to neg you

so mission accomplished I guess

[brave goblet]

ever considered you could just stop scaling the dagger?

[fervent wolf]

I couldn't fit negative

[pliant jewel]

i meant while you are scaling it

oh my god

[pale wolf]

yeah sure

[fervent wolf]

There

[pale wolf]

I mean yes, daggers downside is it's downside

[pliant jewel]

like no shit you can stop scaling it

[marsh needle]

JUST BARELY won o.o

[heady narwhal]

i wonder how many stickers this person has

[marsh needle]

Lets goooo triple half joker orange stake hahhahahaha

[brave goblet]

but here's the thing though, you're actually making use of your 5th joker slot

[wintry ice]

it's powerful enough for the downside to not be as much of an issue

[brave goblet]

and that's feeding it to the dagger

[pale wolf]

probably none, we should offer them advice

[fervent wolf]

More than 52, I forgot to update

[brave goblet]

suddenly, all the shitty jonklers in the shop that you wouldn't buy have value (dagger food)

[fervent wolf]

Yes pls help

[pale wolf]

You should stay above $25 for interest

and stop skipping

[heady narwhal]

play pairs

[fervent wolf]

I'm stuck in red stake

[wintry ice]

play flushes!!!

[fervent wolf]

I play straights sorry

[pale wolf]

kill

[white zodiac]

who are we talking about again

[fervent wolf]

Me

[white zodiac]

oh

[pale wolf]

who

[terse dock]

67

[fervent wolf]

And how I'm stuck in red stake

[wintry ice]

your mom

[terse dock]

wrong server

sorry

[lost vault]

i prefer gays

[wintry ice]

67 bricks thrown at you

[lost vault]

is this that one boykisser gig

gif

[fervent wolf]

I could be if I wanted to ig but I'll take the 4oak Valid point tho

[wintry ice]

yes

[heady narwhal]

that's more than 67 i think

[brave goblet]

69

[wintry ice]

not surprised you know it is

[pliant jewel]

ah yes, forcing me to buy jokers i wouldnt need to otherwise, massive value

[pale wolf]

billythebest 40/150;
Sweet just got my red stickers on Midas and blue joker (More like mid ass am I right) +4 to 44 red stickers

[lost vault]

which hand is the furthest from a straight

flush 5?

[brave goblet]

Yeah that's massive value, i.e. mult

[pale wolf]

either flush 5 or high card

[lost vault]

straight has 5 different ranks, f5 has 5 of the same, straight contains no flush, f5 does

[lost vault]

ph true

high card contains one of the same rank

[pliant jewel]

like yeah sure but every other mult scaler in the entire game doesnt take up another slot while scaling

they have their own costs sure

[brave goblet]

but it takes up other stuff

[pale wolf]

but it also has one different rank

[pliant jewel]

but let's not pretend dagger's scaling is free either

[brave goblet]

But it's fast

[lost vault]

its (practically) a 1 to 1 cost to mult ratio

[white zodiac]

none of the scalers are free

[brave goblet]

You can get to +50 much faster than the typical grim/bus/nova and then you can just stop scaling

[pale wolf]

holy crap kanji

I've never used dagger on a gold stake win

I have a gold sticker on it but it didn't contribute to scoring

[pliant jewel]

all of them has a cost, and dagger has the additional cost of requiring another joker slot on top of the cost of the jokers that you're feeding it

[heady narwhal]

you also lose a slot for value generation

[lost vault]

i think thats worth

[brave goblet]

Or rather, you're using a slot purely for value generation

[lost vault]

ive gotten pretty high daggers

[heady narwhal]

it's worth but it's not 1 to 1

[brave goblet]

how do you "lose" when you're generating value

[tranquil steppe]

Is abandoned the easiest deck? Only took me 2 tries to get gold on it

[lost vault]

i meant money to mult

[pale wolf]

is dagger really scaling that much faster than the others

[lost vault]

eh

depends

usually not

[heady narwhal]

i'm saying if you account for the opportunity cost of the missing slot, you're losing more money than just what you're soending on the jokers

[lost vault]

but its still good

[pale wolf]

I feel like it has around the same amount of scaling on average, except that it additionally needs an empty slot during the round

[lost vault]

fair

[pliant jewel]

(in addition to the cost of the joker you're feeding it)

[simple stream]

buh. I swear trading card was not permenant when I got it

[lost vault]

i mean its definitely better than fortune teller am i right lads

[pale wolf]

no, that's just the normal cost that any other scaler would take into account

The additional cost is the slot loss

[pliant jewel]

yeah

[pale wolf]

Wait you said in addition

fuck

[pliant jewel]

something something can't read balatro fan

[pale wolf]

I can't be a balatro fan, I don't have any merch

[lost vault]

yeah tgeres a new feature where jokers can randomly get eternal

[mental bloom]

Yippee :3

[heady narwhal]

i would have balatro merch if the balatro playing cards were better quality

[brave goblet]

never too late to square up

[simple stream]

I can't tell if that real or if you are trolling me lol. I beat the run with it but then it was eternal and I thought I checked was all

[lost vault]

im joking

[simple stream]

okay

I probably just missed it

[lost vault]

jokers cannot gain or lose stickers

[pale wolf]

You just missed it because it's the same color and it's hard to see

[brave goblet]

trading card has a purple background so you probably didn't see it

[pale wolf]

Yes they can

[mental bloom]

😭😭

[lost vault]

wym

[pliant jewel]

eternal trading card is still very much worth it unless it's ante 7 or something

[pale wolf]

Typecast challenge

[heady narwhal]

stake stickers

[lost vault]

stabs you

[lost vault]

not what i mean

[pale wolf]

no that's a different challenge

[lost vault]

i didnt mean in balatro

[heady narwhal]

they're on the same spritesheet so they're the same thing

[fervent wolf]

That's my challenge

[tawdry burrow]

that moment when you mug the boss blind

[brave goblet]

but stabs you is a challenge in balatro

[lost vault]

nuh uh

[brave goblet]

(the knife challenge)

[pale wolf]

it bothers me that the Sprite sheets are not in the same order as their objects in game

[brave goblet]

(the knife to your heart when the perfect boss blind counter rolls around)

[lost vault]

yes i know what challenge was being reference

d

[simple stream]

IT WAS ANTE 7

[mental bloom]

:P

[brave goblet]

-5 cards is -5 cards

[simple stream]

I checked specifically to make sure it wasn't eternal and then it still was

[lost vault]

shouldve looked closer

[fervent wolf]

Uh oh

[pale wolf]

did you look at the correct corner

[simple stream]

I have some kinda visual dissorder idk

[brave goblet]

balatro players try to read and visually recognize indicators challenge [impossible]

[lost vault]

what kind

[pale wolf]

eyes fell out

[lost vault]

ah

[simple stream]

the kind where I am unable to see what I am looking for when reading or looking for images

[fervent wolf]

[pale wolf]

Pareidolia

[mental bloom]

🤭

[simple stream]

like thinking I played a flush but its actually just 2 pair and 1 random

[pale wolf]

do you play on high contrast

[simple stream]

full house more often

[fervent wolf]

....

[lost vault]

miau

[fervent wolf]

Hi

[lost vault]

im just a silly catboy

[mental bloom]

Well, as Roffle would do : 🫡

[lost vault]

hallo

[mental bloom]

Hi~

[fervent wolf]

...

Two????

I'm outta here

[mental bloom]

Ow what happened :<

[fervent wolf]

Swegg failed me

[simple stream]

maybe

[mental bloom]

Swegg ?

[fervent wolf]

Hi

:)

[pale wolf]

no that was also a joke

[lost vault]

hallo

[haughty mortar]

Is balatro mobile maker piracy or anything like that?

[lost vault]

swegg is mid

[pale wolf]

what is it

[heady narwhal]

do you drag jokers to the consumable area to sell them

[haughty mortar]

You use the exe file of your steam copy to make a mobile version so you can sync your save and things like that

[mental bloom]

ah swashbuckler and egg

[haughty mortar]

And you don't have to pay twice

[haughty mortar]

You can do that?

[lost vault]

swash + egg gotta be the most overrated joker combo ever

[heady narwhal]

on the official mobile version you can

[pale wolf]

I see, it doesn't seem to be piracy or anything extra legal but it does fall under #📜・modding-rules

so it's not discussable

I looked it up myself

[heady narwhal]

the text is also bigger to make the game playable on phone screens

[pale wolf]

I'd rather just pay twice though

[haughty mortar]

Yeah but you can't get your steam save on mobile

[heady narwhal]

you can unlock all

[pale wolf]

That's fine

[lost vault]

do you HATE indie devs

[haughty mortar]

No

[heady narwhal]

it seems to me like the qol would make it worth paying the $10

[pale wolf]

this game is cheap and I've gotten hundreds of hours out of it almost

[supple veldt]

what's the usual strat with this ghost deek hex card

[haughty mortar]

I'm just broke

[fervent wolf]

Skill issue

[pale wolf]

some people sell it for interest, I think that's dumb, use it on a joker

[fervent wolf]

Use golden joker

[crystal field]

I’m just balatro

[lost vault]

then just play on the version you akready have

[haughty mortar]

Ok

[heady narwhal]

i usually put it on the first joker i see as long as that's not like perishable rental wily joker or whatever

[lost vault]

if u sell it for interest why not just play yellow atp

[pale wolf]

I guess they really like ectoplasm

[heady narwhal]

hex is most of the upside of ghost deck

[crystal field]

sell or use

[supple veldt]

do you usually save it for something that you know you're keeping for final boss or do you just throw poly on the first "passable" thing that shows up

[lost vault]

truth nuke

[brave goblet]

first passable and build aroudn that

[heady narwhal]

passable imo

[pale wolf]

it depends on if I think I'm going to keep the first Joker I take for a while

sometimes I'll save it if I don't need the scoring yet

[supple veldt]

throwing it on an econ is probably not a good idea is it

[heady narwhal]

nice to get it on a value generator or scaling joker but something like abstract or jolly is good enough

[pliant jewel]

it is

[pale wolf]

because if you find a better Joker in the next shop then you just used your hex for no reason

[lost vault]

its a solid idear

econ js awesome

[heady narwhal]

poly econ is really good because you can keep it around for longer

[crystal field]

its better to have a polychrome and not need it than need a polychrome and not have it even if it means selling it eventually for something better imo

[pliant jewel]

most econ jokers are good enough for you to keep several antes

[pale wolf]

It's it's okay

It's not bad

[pliant jewel]

slightly awkward to hex a business card and then get ride the bus next shop though...

[lost vault]

ngl cannot think of a time that i needed a polychrome

[pale wolf]

just means the business card sells for more

[lost vault]

they always nice to have but

idk

[crystal field]

econ with editions are goated because they make value and score

[heady narwhal]

if my first joker is really bad i might wait a round or two to use hex but i'm definitely using it before i buy a second joker

[pale wolf]

yeah that's another thing, why would you sell the hex for interest when you could get almost the same amount of money or the same amount of money just by putting it on a Joker and selling it

[white zodiac]

hex usually adds the same amount of sell value to the joker compared to had you initially sold hex

[lost vault]

is holographic rebate the best first joker fellas

[brave goblet]

if order of events doesn't work out sometimes ig

[crystal field]

i wish there was an edition that gave like $3 or $4 at the end of each round that would be cool I think

[supple veldt]

first shop has eternal hack that's probably a good target right

[white zodiac]

omg snail

[fervent wolf]

Maybe

[crystal field]

when u need xmul

[lost vault]

well usually its not enough xmult

[pale wolf]

if your first Joker is eternal then you definitely use the hex on it regardless, now whether you take the hack or not is a different question

[heady narwhal]

i don't really like hack personally (wouldb't take eternal hack r1) but it's probably good enough

[crystal field]

its usually more than enough especially in early game

[white zodiac]

multiple x mult effects

[fervent wolf]

Hack is great

[crystal field]

thatd why ghost hex is goated

[heady narwhal]

in this case i'd look in buffoon pack

[pale wolf]

I wouldn't say speculatively

maybe though maybe I need to try it more

[lost vault]

i know what polychrome does

its in my status

[crystal field]

hm

[white zodiac]

gguh

[supple veldt]

i think ive taken hack maybe once ever, i have no opinion of it

[wintry igloo]

Is black hole not a planet card? Constellation doesn't level up with that..

[white zodiac]

hack is whatever, I don't speculatively play towards it

[heady narwhal]

it's a spectral

so is soul

[lost vault]

its a spectral card

[lost vault]

read the card

[crystal field]

hack is fun. if u make low cards lucky theres a reason to do hack yea

[marble gorge]

what do I do here sell or leave (only good sell I think is perkeo here)

[pliant jewel]

hack doesn't work with that many jokers
wee, walkie talkie, fibbin archie, and steven/todd i guess

[white zodiac]

requires more deck work than ballot

[wintry igloo]

ah sadge

[lost vault]

who is archie and why does he fib so much

[wintry igloo]

[crystal field]

eh it doesnt rlly need to work with jokers it works better with the card modifications

[white zodiac]

which is not what I'm gonna speculatively play for

[supple veldt]

lol

who wants polycola

[crystal field]

gold seal 3

[fervent wolf]

He's a liar :<

[white zodiac]

unless it's like abandoned ig but I go for 8s and 9s initially

[pliant jewel]

speculative oops let's go

gambling

[crystal field]

comparing any of the retriggers to ballot tho always feels unfair because its so good

[mental bloom]

gay dice strikes again

[supple veldt]

sounds funnier than anything else currently

[marble gorge]

fym I can't put the lets go gambling gif in here

[pliant jewel]

what other retriggers are there to compare to

the only one that could be on the same level would be dusk i guess

[supple veldt]

or i put hex on cola and black sticker it

🙃

[crystal field]

dusk is pretty mid also like hack and sock

[heady narwhal]

s&b and dusk are ass

[crystal field]

seltzer is the most similar to chad because its very unconditional

[supple veldt]

i thought sock & bussy was good

[heady narwhal]

seltzer i'd say is better than hack but i could see arguments to the contrary

[pliant jewel]

s&b is better than hack imo

[pale wolf]

fewer ranks and gets disabled by a boss blind, hell yeah

[heady narwhal]

nearly all usable facecard synergies are held in hand / discarded

[crystal field]

s&b is capable of more though

[pale wolf]

like

and don't say photo

[tranquil steppe]

Seltzer is great. I just wish it was 10 rounds not 10 hands but then it’d be wayyyy too OP so I understand why they went with 10 hands

[heady narwhal]

also i don't want enhancements on my faces because of midas and plant and maybe mark

[crystal field]

as someone said earlier there arejust more jokers that synergize

business card ya

thats a good reason to take socky busky

[marble gorge]

fotochad best combo oat better than prime dollar menu

[heady narwhal]

business is like. the only joker that works with sock

[white zodiac]

it is in terms of choice value

[heady narwhal]

and it's a bad joker

[heavy heron]

is it just me or has been recalling all planets of the solar system gotten way easier ever since playing balatro

[pliant jewel]

im not taking socky speculatively tbh but i still think it's better than hack

[crystal field]

smiling face and scaring face

like

i didnt say sock was better btw

[heady narwhal]

those are strictly earlygamr don't build towards those

[crystal field]

its basically the same as hack

[white zodiac]

I put snb above hack

[pale wolf]

I think scary is enough chips sometimes for the game

[tranquil steppe]

My very educated mother just served us nachos

[heady narwhal]

i'd say fibonacci alone makes hack better

[heavy heron]

that has NEVER worked for me

[heady narwhal]

no played facecard joker beats fibonacci

or wee, or odd todd

[crystal field]

hmmm

thats a take

like for gold stake maybe

[white zodiac]

mmm I've passed hack in fib runs, it's not necessary. snb I've used to accelerate econ which face cards have more options to have with

[heady narwhal]

that's the only thing i'm considering here

[heavy heron]

okay nvm it just worked

[crystal field]

alright then yeah

[fallen patrol]

I can’t believe theres genuinely a debate here where some people are saying that any retrigger is bad, they’re objectively the jokers capable of generating the best Econ and highest scores outside of baron and mime

[heady narwhal]

tbf i usually use 8s for fibonacci for some reason

[supple veldt]

random childhood flashback of an interactive magic school bus book where miss frizzle says My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Pizzas

back in my day we respected plutonimus

[crystal field]

onyx agate is easier to use than fib

[heavy heron]

mercury venus earth mars jupiter saturn uranus neptune 🤤

[crystal field]

but flushes suck

[heavy heron]

omg but according to balatro pluto is a planet!!

[heady narwhal]

i think agate is a lot worse than fibonacci

[pale wolf]

heinous

[white zodiac]

I do 8s because it has a good common and uncommon value gen

[lost vault]

8ball

[heady narwhal]

2/3 as many cards and it's for a worse handtype

[white zodiac]

this is why you stay in streaks of 3

(joke)

[crystal field]

anyway in general jokers that score when card is played are usually cheeks

[supple veldt]

excuse you

[fallen patrol]

Flush five is just as good as flush five

[crystal field]

if there were more photographs in thr world maybe it wouldnt suck so bad

[white zodiac]

ig 2 and 5 kinda make sense for speculative hack/fib grab

[crystal field]

xmult on scored card jokers

[pliant jewel]

life hack: just turn most of your deck into clubs and play a better hand

[heady narwhal]

that's why i think retriggers are generally best for value generation and scaling, which s&b is a terrible pick for

[heavy heron]

honestly i think flush house is almost as good as flush house too

[lost vault]

ah! waste of space joker. my beloved.

[pale wolf]

if building fives instead of eights makes me a three-streaker instead of a 15 streaker then uhh uhhh ur mom

[heady narwhal]

i'd do this for arrowhead but maybe not for agate

[fallen patrol]

Ehhh I think you’re reaching with that one

[white zodiac]

mommy 😢

[supple veldt]

how does it waste space joker

[fervent wolf]

I'm cooked

[lost vault]

he does nothing!!

[supple veldt]

[heavy heron]

damn… i really thought i was cooking something there

[pale wolf]

what does space Joker have to do with this

[wintry igloo]

natural poly king in ante 10 wow

[pale wolf]

/s

[heavy heron]

if i see arrowhead im shutting off my brain and going spade flushes (and dying to goad)

[heady narwhal]

if i see arrowhead i'm shutting off my brain and going spade 4oak

[crystal field]

pareidolia doing nothing ever is cute i love that for it

[heavy heron]

mmmmm

yummy 4oaks

[heady narwhal]

pareidolia highroll goes hard as shit but also i've never had that happen

meet potential joker!

[crystal field]

4oaks like its a damn resort hotel

[white zodiac]

I've unironically had it save me in a black deck streak when I was in an econ rut

[supple veldt]

i can recall at least 1 time where pareidolia has made me a lot of money with faceless

[heavy heron]

it’s official, pareidolia is a money man

[crystal field]

right like there are plenty mental cases for it

practically it does nothing

[heavy heron]

it’s upside down

we get it

[terse vale]

does anyone have any good slander templates

[crystal field]

ayo is that cro?? Ayy never sybau cro

❤️

[supple veldt]

what are you doing with the acrobat

[pale wolf]

fun

[pale wolf]

what does this mean

[white zodiac]

trading card shitpasta

[pliant jewel]

a crow bat

[supple veldt]

i couldn't actually tell what was wrong with this one for a minute

[supple veldt]

im actually kinda upset there's no dog joker

[pale wolf]

canio

[heady narwhal]

fixed in extracredit

[terse vale]

stuff like this

I want to make mooore

[violet ermine]

guys I am so close to reach completionist++. about 30 hours on 2023 demo. 187 hours into the game. and I am here. I still need to complete nebula, green and black decks. then stickers (I already have golden stickers on the most difficult ones). It's so close, I can see it

[pale wolf]

oh these suck

[supple veldt]

canio is an italian opera reference apparently

i see no dogs

[pale wolf]

I find them just generally elitist and tone deaf

[pale wolf]

hes a canine

[supple veldt]

unless it's a reference to dogs because they eat your face

[pale wolf]

he played dogliacci

[terse vale]

ya thats basically agendaposting

[red thistle]

I'm stashing these with the chudposting, thank you.

[marble gorge]

I put a balala image into chatgpt and it could not recognize anything it was spewing out some bs my favorite is dna which is a scaling mult which is +1 per pair played and also swashbuckler which is +mult campfire

[supple veldt]

on the topic of retrigger jokers earlier, what are actually the best cards to try to build around/enhance speculatively

[white zodiac]

I had a list earlier

[serene forge]

I hate Blodostone

[pale wolf]

none
but stuff like Blackboard and cloud 9

[marble gorge]

sounds about right

[fervent wolf]

[white zodiac]

#🕹・game-discussion message

[serene forge]

NO

[red thistle]

I think the best card based on numbers is 2's with whatever suit you saw first as a boss.

[heady narwhal]

put gold cards on spades and clubs when you can help it

[pale wolf]

<@&1133519078540185692>

[heady narwhal]

put gold seals and lucky on high ranks because they're easier to score

[pale wolf]

welp

hello mods

[smoky merlin]

hi

[pale wolf]

The message I was replying to disappeared

[red thistle]

Hi von.

[heady narwhal]

i usually avoid enhancing facecards

[pale wolf]

without even a single staff ping

[white zodiac]

wh

[smoky merlin]

that one got like 10 pings

[red thistle]

That's because jmibo is evil.

[smoky merlin]

my computer actually exploded. im typing into fire right now to get this message through

[pale wolf]

how

[heady narwhal]

it's because midas mask

and canio i guess

[pale wolf]

I heard that if you kill somebody with pings you have penguin

[heady narwhal]

me when i have to hang my blue seal gold king of clubs because i'm bored

[red thistle]

Penglings.

[indigo oyster]

Peng wings.

[tranquil oyster]

jimbo is a nietzschean figure, idt you can fit him into a "good/evil" box.

[white zodiac]

my stm starving

[pale wolf]

jmibo isn't jimbo

[heady narwhal]

besides, other facecard synergies usually benefit from not playing faces

[supple veldt]

i will share this gospel with all of my gambling buddies thank

[quick solar]

😭

[white zodiac]

oh boy

np

[tranquil oyster]

caught lacking on my balaro lore knowledge... its over

[heady narwhal]

lucky jacks/queens won't help me much if i get stm or hrt or parking

it depends on the enhancement i suppose

[smoky merlin]

chat am i cooked

[white zodiac]

jacks I sometimes lace it with steel, gold or purple

[smoky merlin]

my flush is too weak

[red thistle]

Flushing it and by it, haha... Well let's just say. My mouth.

[heady narwhal]

new enhancement: purple card
+15 chips and +2 mult

[pale wolf]

I just realized reserved parking is for face cards because King is in the name

[white zodiac]

wow

[heady narwhal]

i don't know if that's why it's like that

[white zodiac]

um no

[pale wolf]

it's gotta be

[white zodiac]

but maybe

[smoky merlin]

i always thought it was because important people (like royalty) get reserved spots but you're onto something

[quick solar]

am i cooked

[wintry igloo]

o7 thank you for your service constellation

[tranquil cargo]

it's also thematically connected to hit the road and ride the bus

[quick solar]

i had perishable bull but couldnt find anything to replace it

[pale wolf]

I've always thought that thematically, if the held in hand slots are reserved parking, you should get fined for every non-face card in your hand, not rewarded for every face card

[wintry igloo]

it was over the moment I bought dna dont be greedy guys

[quick solar]

XBL3ML7X

[smoky merlin]

but why would you take the joker

[pale wolf]

it would be epic

[smoky merlin]

let me get localthunk on the horn hear me out what if jokers but negative only

[pale wolf]

what if it did both

[red thistle]

Forgot to post these awhile ago but yea i scraped by even with horrible bosses.

[heady narwhal]

what if reserved parking gave +2 chips for each dollar you have instead

[pale wolf]

bullth

[smoky merlin]

so, bull?

[pale wolf]

It's because I accidentally put instead of both

[heady narwhal]

"what if it did Bull" -zeba~ [C]

[white zodiac]

should there be a graveyard joker that does something for every face card thats not been drawn 👅

[red thistle]

What if reserved parking gave 1.5x mult for each king held in hand?

[shell dagger]

Too weak in endless mode

[pale wolf]

generates a spectral card at the end of round if 6 face cards remain in deck

[white zodiac]

fist synergy 👅

[red thistle]

True. I should've accounted for endless mode, the best part of balatro.

[white zodiac]

I uh

[tranquil cargo]

too easy a condition, it should require a straight flush instead

[heady narwhal]

pairs i'm afraid

[white zodiac]

ok

[pale wolf]

maybe it should be discarded

[smoky merlin]

its what its built around

[white zodiac]

mayhaps

I like the burial aspect

[pale wolf]

if it was stones instead

[white zodiac]

we got too much discarding

mm

[pale wolf]

lol

[heady narwhal]

there should be a joker that retriggers discard effects

also red seals should do that

[pale wolf]

generate a spectral card if number of stones remaining in deck at end of round is equal to face cards

[pale wolf]

this is a joke

[tranquil cargo]

that would be so strong on abandoned deck

[red thistle]

Delete all the faces. Stonks.

[pale wolf]

oh true I suppose it would have to be at least one

[smoky merlin]

good news i wasn't cooked thanks chat

[heady narwhal]

i can't believe zeba~ [C] would unironically suggest such a thing

[pale wolf]

I have completionist you need to pay attention to my opinion

[smoky merlin]

i finally got rule breaker

[white zodiac]

truly disgusting that you

[smoky merlin]

i can ban people finally

[pale wolf]

Not even I have it

[white zodiac]

oh man

[red thistle]

Ban hamma.

[smoky merlin]

thats why you cant ban people

[pale wolf]

I know that that's not all you need to ban people because Lilo would have banned me months ago

[heady narwhal]

certificate if it sucked ass: swaps chips and mult whenever a gold seal is played and scores

[tranquil cargo]

that doesn't sound all that bad honestly (conditional on having gold seals)

[heady narwhal]

well it got reworked so

[pale wolf]

there's no way that was actually what it was right

[red thistle]

Nothing ever happens.

[heady narwhal]

that was actually what it was

for a period of time

there was also "earn $1 whenever a gold seal is played and scores" iirc

(for context gold seals were the only seals and they did something else)

[floral mural]

so worse rough gem?

[supple veldt]

can someone lend me their wee

[heady narwhal]

what's todo

[heady narwhal]

more or less. but i think the gem jokers used to be weird as well

[smoky merlin]

please explain this joker order

[supple veldt]

flush unluck

[red thistle]

It is imperative that the cylinder isn't damaged in any way.

[white zodiac]

tdl farming

[heady narwhal]

might be getting this wrong but maybe they were all +8 mult?

[supple veldt]

i just opened it from a judgement

haven't fixed it yet

[white zodiac]

or that

[supple veldt]

but also tdl

although im pretty sure any flush 1shots

might sell it

[floral mural]

all of them were as lame as agate? unbelievable

ok real talk agate might be my least favourite not terrible joker

[heady narwhal]

my least favorite not terrible joker is card sharp

[floral mural]

the same effect as another joker except the number is bigger

[heady narwhal]

it actively makes the game less fun

[white zodiac]

mine is

aj if that counts

[heady narwhal]

i think that counts

[red thistle]

Mine's fibo.

[pale wolf]

what the fuck

[white zodiac]

what's yours

[pale wolf]

least fav good joker? throw me a tier list

[red thistle]

Yes. I avoid it whenever it's possible.

[floral mural]

were talking about least favourite viable jokers zeba. whats yours

[white zodiac]

ugh

[north spindle]

hm i think i would go with vampire

[red thistle]

Also i didn't say hiker because HIKER ACTUALLY FUCKING SUCKS!!

[fervent wolf]

Throw me in S

[white zodiac]

zebruh can't visualize good jokers on the fly

[heady narwhal]

i don't like rebate

[white zodiac]

oh

[heavy solstice]

Yay my first ever gold stake win

[heady narwhal]

blocked

[white zodiac]

1 blocked message

[heavy solstice]

I'm sorry for ever doubting bull

[pale wolf]

i don't know how many jokers there are

[fiery nymph]

blackboard trib canio is real

[vocal matrix]

A third one?! Three legendaries in a single run (2 Canios, one chicot)

[supple veldt]

is chicot up there for bug reasons

[white zodiac]

no

[heavy solstice]

Even un leveled high card gained insane scoring

[tranquil oyster]

ramen feels terrible to use, even though it's good. one the hook, and you're at 1.96 mult. what an ugly number.

[heady narwhal]

move throwback up half a tier imo

[heavy solstice]

What having bad deck fixing results into

[white zodiac]

it's stinky on plasma in the sense that it rounds down when doing the balancing thing

[white zodiac]

no

[pale wolf]

my least favorite topmost joker is perkeo, or maybe stuntman

[tranquil oyster]

how tf do you deckfix you way out of the hook?

[serene forge]

I hate BLoodstoen

[white zodiac]

what the fuck

[floral mural]

too good over other econ? i agree

[white zodiac]

ight

[serene forge]

carp sharp

[pale wolf]

perkeo is just annoying to have imo

[white zodiac]

perkeo is prob the only unique legendary in terms of mechanics

[red thistle]

Perkeo's understandable not sure why on stunt.

[white zodiac]

I can understand both

[heady narwhal]

stuntman makes the game less interesting imo

[tranquil oyster]

perkeo i get it, you frequently have the issues of having no good consumables so you copy shit like tower for two turns & then die bc it provides no innate scoring. still a great joker, but this happens way too often.

[heavy solstice]

There's very few things that synergize with negative consumables

[white zodiac]

stunt is either boring or really linear in terms of gameplay

[red thistle]

And the most demanding in terms of attention.

[heady narwhal]

i don't mind it personally

[heavy solstice]

It is game breaking but you need a lot of workaround imo

[pale wolf]

hand size is paramount and stunt feels like im actively poisoning myself to get across the finish line most of the time
i dont mind an early stunt if i can work the whole game around it

[white zodiac]

second most*

allegedly

[tranquil oyster]

stuntman + green joker is monkey mode balatro

[heady narwhal]

the negative part with perkeo is less important for gold stake

[red thistle]

Speak.

[heady narwhal]

usually i just use the things immediately

[white zodiac]

stunt/fist/bb

[white zodiac]

trib needing more materials

[red thistle]

Even a toddler can't fuck this up.

[heady narwhal]

overscoring

[floral mural]

the reason i hate agate the most out of viable jokers even though faceless is the most obnoxious econ joker ever is that agate literally is the same effect as another joker but bigger

there isnt nuance

faceless isnt bad but god is it annoying trying to use it

[heavy solstice]

My first gold stake win with bull felt similar

I got a green joker and bull

[red thistle]

You're still gaining massive score with each hand and there's a long time for you to get xmults.

[heavy solstice]

Which I eventually built up good econ for

[tranquil oyster]

chicot is a luchador you don't have to sell

[heady narwhal]

i think agate is nuanced / interesting for gameplay despite the boring concept because it's like almost usable

[heady narwhal]

the fact that it's neither unusable nor good makes for hard decisions

[heavy solstice]

I see that a lot don't like it because anyone decent at the game (usually) doesn't need a joker to nullify bosses

[white zodiac]

i hate aj in the sense that I have to both find jupiters to make use of it's xmult timing and the difficulty of finding a specific flush that's harder to find than regular straights

[red thistle]

Honestly i like using faceless because i find predicting what cards you'll get enjoyable.

[heady narwhal]

faceless is more fun to play than rebate imo

rebate is just see card discard card

[floral mural]

thats a false statement im afraid. boss blinds are what kills you most. not scoring

[red thistle]

Big money never lose.

[floral mural]

and a joker that destroys a problem boss blind? yeah thats worth a slot

[tranquil oyster]

idk man, it's situational. bell on straight builds. suit boss on a specific flush build. vessel.

[red thistle]

You could legit get away with spending everything in a shop with rebate.

[heavy solstice]

A lot of people never take kindly to chicot I don't understand

When they get it in soul card

[white zodiac]

it's more of an oh I play less of the game because it immediately removes one of the major difficulty hurdles

[floral mural]

i know its not a bad joker. but playing "how the fuck do i both not die and get the 5 dollars" isnt a fun early game experience for me ngl

[tranquil cargo]

yeah it's weird, lots of people hate several boss blinds but also hate the joker that counters them all

[north spindle]

the thing that makes chicot good is that as soon as you get it you can just go all in on whatever

like i dont need to carry around justice for photochad or whatever

[serene forge]

"negatives are always good"

[red thistle]

Unironically my least favorite part of the game usually is ante 6-8.

[white zodiac]

yay no needle 👅

[heavy solstice]

Heck no

"loses the game" if it was a joker

[heady narwhal]

same

[white zodiac]

damn that's where I usually go ham on xmults

[pliant jewel]

chicot also generates some value in the sense that the boss blind becomes much easier and therefore you can get away with doing things like rebate or throwing away hands to look for gold cards where normally you would have had to focus on not dying

[red thistle]

It's just blue seals simulator.

[white zodiac]

not always

[heady narwhal]

ante 6-8 are really fun on bad runs because you have to scrounge for some way through, but usually it's just

[pale wolf]

its not always evident how much chicot is really helping you

[white zodiac]

show don't tell

[heady narwhal]

reroll shop get blackboard play round reroll shop get hermit reroll shop play round check boss it's not vessel

[floral mural]

chicot is a lot of safety so i like it but it is the least flashy of the legendaries

[heady narwhal]

kind of repetitive

[molten badger]

is the color of the needle boss blind a reference to "green needle/brainstorm" audio thingy or am i just overthinking it?

[white zodiac]

well yeah, boss blinds is part of the game variety

imagine removing the mini game task

[red thistle]

The puzzling decisions you get at the very start and optimising as hard as you could in the mid game is the best treat of goldz stake.

[pliant jewel]

the only real criticism of chicot is that it's boring

which is fair

[floral mural]

most runs are solved once you get proper xmult and scaling going tbh

[pale wolf]

it also does literally nothing for 20% of final bosses

[distant vault]

I hate chicot

[heavy solstice]

A joker that removes strategy is broken indeed

[pale wolf]

because acorn isnt a boss blind

[white zodiac]

or 40%

o

[heavy solstice]

It makes sense for it

[red thistle]

I'd argue 40%.

[pliant jewel]

if you see acorn you pretty much won already

[pale wolf]

and I suppose it's no better than any other Joker on the leaf

[pliant jewel]

unless you dont score 400k

[pale wolf]

so yeah make it 40

[floral mural]

solved as in you dont have to do anything besides look for counters to deadly boss blinds and keep on scaling

[north spindle]

40% of final bosses are also terrifying tho

[red thistle]

Isn't mr bones a psuedo 4x mult.

[white zodiac]

bell killed my obby licks run where I couldve used one 💔

[north spindle]

i mean really i like chicot for killing counter bosses more tho

[pale wolf]

Even more because it applies to more than just one hand

[red thistle]

It's like a rocket launcher with 1 shot.

[white zodiac]

to offset the compounding x mult scoring

[rigid forge]

where my Obelisk haters at???

[pale wolf]

zhow the list

[brisk mango]

Got far too smh

[pale wolf]

ZA LIST

[heavy solstice]

I hate obelisk because I'm bad now give me 2$

[pliant jewel]

mr bones is technically slightly worse than an 4x mult because you lose the blind reward money

[white zodiac]

[brisk mango]

There is this moment in the run tho
I learnt you can move cards around so Jokers effect certain ones first

[pale wolf]

WHERES THE LIST

dgrgzyevdys r

[heady narwhal]

skill issue. just die on the small blind

[final garden]

should i take more blue seals or a 3rd madness

[white zodiac]

the list Santa the list

[rigid forge]

Obelisk Throwback is a combination I did at some point too, got the entire gold stake run recorded lol

[final garden]

theyre both at 4.5x

[pale wolf]

another madness

[final garden]

figured as much

[red thistle]

That's the busiest desktop bar i've ever seen.